Found this cute kitty. I give it away for FREE. I REPEAT: FOR FREE. Its very cute and also pretty cute.
I'll take two!
>>48064136
>the tail
>the mouth
>the paw
You sure that's a kitten, buddy?
>>48064136
Such an adorable face!
Favorite card spoiled so far, flavor-wise.
>>48064535
Of course it's a kitten! What, does it look like a horse to you?
>>48064136
Wait a minute, there's something not quite right in that image...
The button in the top collar is on the right hand side, meaning that the left side of the collar will fold over the right.
However the coat directly beneath that has the right side folded over the left. This makes no sense, from a fashion perspective.
Exactly why this should be is a mystery, but whoever this female is (and it is a female, since she's wearing a female coat. The only visible buttonhole is on the right, just below the hand, and female garments have buttonholes on the right, whilst male garments have them on the left. Although given that the shirt has a buttonhole on the left, this would seem to indicate that the person is wearing mixed gender clothing. Draw your own conclusions from that but it's clear that something odd is going on here.
The tail is way too obvious, but i really like all the other subtler details on that pic.
>>48064643
Some collars are separate pieces of fabric, which would explain it buttoning from the other side.
>>48064643
The coat has buttons on both sides.
>>48064535
arent all cats like that
>>48064604
>>48064922
It has one on the right, at the top, just above the wrist. But that could just be a false button, because just behind the LLC text, there's what looks like a buttonhole. There's certainly not a button there.
>>48064136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9zF8YgT_cs
>>48064643
Interestingly, the background shows a set of towers with a bridge between their upper levels, a relatively recent convenience in our world to allow for travel between otherwise separated buildings without going out to the street or taking long stair climbs. This implies either retrofitting of older architecture, or a newly forward thinking way of designing. In either case, it is clear this town shows early signs of societal progress.
>>48064941
That car has a human's eyes. No kitten has eyes so un-slitted.
>>48064950
Oh. Its Chuck Norris joke. I get it.
>>48065764
Really?
>>48065728
Nor do they have any white
>>48064604
Eh, it's my second-favorite. Nothing can top MECHA WOLF!
>>48066654
The best part about this thing is the implication that Ludevic just happened to have all the parts to make it just lying about. Including the wolfhead.
>>48066685
And also note it is NOT a werewolf (no spess wulves jokes), but just a straight up dumb, ordinary wolf that he decided to strap into humanoid power armor.
>>48066736
To be fair, that sounds like something the spess woofs would do
>>48066652
Cats do in fact have a white film that covers their eyes as they sleep, it is also sometimes visible if they turn their eyes in their sockets.
>>48064136
Free Trailer!?
>>48066736
Well, just by the creature type it could be from one of the few remaining wolfir, they're also just "Wolf." But it is more likely to just be a regular wolf.
>>48064136
Cor blimey! What happened to your thumb, mate? Are you all right?
>>48064950
Why does the Cosmic Terror want a teddie bear from a well?
>>48066654
My head canon is the wolf has absolutely no control over bot, it's merely ornamental to increase intimidation factor
>>48068965
> I'm bored with knives, that was so last se- I mean week.
> well what do we do boss?
>hrmm, sharp, intimidating.
> get me fifteen wolves and some duct tape boys
>>48068612
despite being a squirming mass of horrific flesh, there is still a shred of innocence and a desire to feel at peace in what is probably a frightening ordeal for a formerly young girl.
Unless of course she's going "OH YEAH I HAD A TEDDY BEAR TOO, I BETTER GO KILL IT LIKE I DID EVERYTHING ELSE".
What's the best place to start with MTG lore? I'm not all that interested in playing the game, so I don't want to buy the cards just for the lore. Is there a good resource for collected MTG lore and the story so I can get a feel for the setting? It seems like a cool one for an RPG system.
>>48069129
If it's a remaining scrap of independent desire, why does it come with flavor text about how Emrakul doesn't work with independent desire, she just makes other creatures share her own desire?
>>48069175
Start with all the fiction here
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/columns/magic-story-archive
There's also a bit of crossing the streams with Wizards making a Zendikar D&D conversion
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/plane-shift-zendikar-2016-04-27
>>48064136
You know, the leech wurm head is the real head. The kitten part is actually the rear end of the critter. This is good because you only get dried hair pellets (like an owl) instead of cat poo.
>>48069175
There is a multiverse.
Stuff is made of mana of different "colors". Each color corresponds to a myriad of concepts.
Each world is a "plane". They each have different concentrations of the different colors of mana, which decides their properties.
To go between the planes, you need to be a planeswalker. Previously, planeswalkers were deific. Then one of them decided to kill absolutely everybody with his army of mechanical goons. So all the other planeswalkers (after much hilarity) ganged up on him and the ensuing war completely fucked the universe in half.
So this chick named Freyalise blew them all up, then fixed it all.
But in the process, this war-and-mending destroyed the godlike-nature of planeswalkers. And time. Think "comic-strip universe reboot". Now, planeswalkers are merely incredible sorcerers and reality-warpers. Godlike to a common person, sure, but not freely altering reality to their designs.
This would be okay, but now there are some very, VERY powerful monsters called Eldrazi on the loose that can brain-rape and kill planeswalkers like it's nothing.
Just another Tuesday.
In Magic, you technically play as a planeswalker.
>>48069255
The Planeswalkers Guides also still exist on their site, so there's enough background stuff to base adventures in each plane off of much of that.
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Planeswalker's_Guide
Each link goes to a list of the planeswalkers guides used on the wiki, or you could read the wiki as well for each to get a primer on what each plane/setting is.
>>48069248
It doesn't say that twit.
It's basically saying she twists wishes so that they are what she desires as well as what the wisher wants.
>>48069313
Yawgmoth wasn't a Planeswalker. Its one of his old obsessions to figure out how the damn Spark and planeswalking thing worked.
But yeah, all that fuckery did kinda screw Time, the Multiverse, and Everything. So here we are, dealing with 20 story Galactus/Cthullu monsters that can devour planes, a scheming old dragon who wants his godlike power back, and the scattered remains of Yawgmoth's legacy infecting every plane they're on.
>>48069413
And Ob Nixilis, who has the best internal monologues of any character in the setting.
>>48068612
>>48069129
If you look close, she has the bear beforehand. I think the implication is supposed to be that she's using the bear to grab something from the well.
Presumably coins to show that wishes are pointless thematically, which might just coincide with Emrakul's desire for the coins, which could be to make some weird silver-infused spawn to better fight werewolves or whatever.
>>48069654
Or she dropped the bear and in sometime she became a spawn.
Her wish was to not be alone, emrakul wanted to be one with everyone
So did Nahiri really kill everyone?
>>48069763
Not as far as we know yet.
The only concrete information we have is that Emrakul is sealed in Innistrad's moon by Tamiyo and Nissa while Jace keeps them all sane and Chandra, Liliana and Gideon act as the muscle. Then later on, despite Gideon's misgivings, Liliana becomes a part of the Gatewatch while Tamiyo refuses.
Anything else is Sorinfag propaganda.
>>48069763
Not everyone, but pretty much everyone who mattered.
>>48069248
This is a valid point. The text implies that emrakul would indeed replace the desires of the afflicted with her own; with that said, I highly doubt emrakul's priorities involve an abandoned stuffed toy at the bottom of a well.
That, to me, implies that the young girl (perhaps not as young) still has the will to retain some memory of her former self, despite her obvious condition, and they took the opportunity to label it as a "grapple with the past" in a figurative, psychological representation with her apparent defiance to emrakul's agenda; and a literal representation with squid arms around the ol' teddy.
Giving the design team too much credit? I'd hope not, but that's just how I see the new card.
>>48069763
Three White legendaries from this plane are still alive, and the three major black and blue characters, and Sorin.
Or to be more accurate; Sigarda, Thalia, Odric, Geralf, Gisa, Ludevic, Arlinn Kord, Sorin, and Tamiyo from previous Innistrad installments are alive and unharmed.
>>48069800
>>48069806
I'm getting mixed messages here.
>>48069806
What three white legendaries?
Last thread said everyone died, including Thalia, Gisa and Geralf.
>>48069868
No evidence was given. It was Sorinfag propaganda designed to make Nahiri look even worse than she already is.
Would not be surprised to see Sigarda elevated to Archangel status by some kind of planeswalker powerup that gives every single human on the plane hexproof.
Is there any lore on Ulrich yet, or does he just exist in card form and some flavor text?
Am I the only one who noticed Gisa doing a pose from Michael Jackson's Thriller?
>>48070349
Fuck.
>>48069868
Gisa and Geralf got a new card and they're fine. Thalia is a tentacle monster now though
>>48070443
>Thalia is a tentacle monster now though
God damn it will you knock it off.
>>48069248
>>48069803
The flavoir text is completely nonsensical when read your way.
>Emrakul does not grant wishes because the people that she turns into Eldrazis have no will of their own anymore.
What? That's fucking retarded.
However, it can also be read as:
>Emrakul doesn't grant wishes, the turned's desires simply become part of her will.
And suddenly it doesn't sound like the interpretation of a stoned teenager.
So apparently the lore for Kaladesh will primarily revolve around the Gatewatch going there for some downtime.
What are your thoughts on all this?
>>48070981
Expected. We were told from the beginning that the Gatewatch is the focus of every block from now on, and if I get to see Chandra and Liliana wearing bikinis in this beach episode then I'm happy.
>>48071116
that is literally tragic
>>48071116
>Gatewatch is the focus of every block from now on
Seriously? Source?
>>48071116
I just think we could get some pretty funny bits in there. Like Gideon unintentionally looming over everyone, or Jace trying and failing to maintain composure when eating a really spicy curry.
>>48070981
Source?
>>48071116
>Gatewatch is the focus of every block from now on
If this is true, then I'm going to call them the Jacetice League right in Maro's face.
>>48071116
>kaldesh is the beach episode
Fund it
>>48071198
Amazon description for the Kaladesh artbook
>>48071116
>and if I get to see Chandra and Liliana wearing bikinis
>No mention of Nissa.
Ah well, I guess It's because her Joragas are uncontainable.
>>48071169
Source: Mark "Shekelatog" Rosewater
>>48071186
New blue mill spell featuring Jace editing himself out of peoples memories because he did something awkward.
>>48064136
It's just a Lesser Chimera, the kind that doesn't have a goat's head.
>>48064136
>>48071297
They're adorable creatures, and should be petted muchly.
>>48067867
I see your reference there....you looking for pork-butts and taters as a reward?
>>48071254
That's uh... not what the words in that photo say man
>>48071229
Nissa wears a one-piece because she's worst girl
>>48071377
Yeah. It said one will play an active role. Which based on SOI means that it'll be Chandra hanging around until something big goes down and she calls her friends so they can solve it in minutes.
Dramatic tension? What's that?
>>48071398
Chandra is much more likely to start some shit.
>>48064136
No way, I'm not falling for that stunt again! Last time you gave me a "cat", its tail bit a large chunk off my left nut when I let it sit on my lap!
>>48071199
It's hardly a secret that the Gatewatch is Magic's version of the Justice League or the Avengers. WotC has outright said that it's the case.
Could it be they had Liliana join the Gatewatch because they need a reason for having Garruk hunt them and be the next enemy?
>>48071866
Possibly, or they need an excuse for Garruk to join up with the League of Evil that consists of primarily multi-color walkers. Helmed by Nicol Bolas naturally.
>>48071961
Nicol Bolas, Tezzeret, Garruk, and ???
The Four Kings of Evil
>>48072007
Nahiri, Tibalt and Ob?
>>48064643
Investigate intensifies
>>48072054
We need more Ob. Oneshotting Jace and drowning Gideon in a puddle was something... pure
>>48072054
Nahiri would make sense because that would give all five colors representation in both teams and would keep Team Evil from being a complete sausage fest.
>>48072459
Liliana could also be a member, she'd be like Namor in dark reign.
>>48072593
Liliana becomes a member of the Gatewatch in EMN
>>48072697
Exactly, Namir was a member of both the good guy and the bad guy organization in dark reign.
Not even as a double agent, just being a real member of both, conspiring to protect the world with one group and conspiring to conquer it with the other.
Just replace "world" with "multiverse" and you're golden.
>>48072007
Bolas doesn't have partners, he has pawns.
>>48069481
Ob's dead, courtesy of the Red power ranger.
>>48073039
she just scared him away. but he swore revenge like a good recurring villain
>next set Kaladesh
>U/R and artifacts
So Karn or Ral Zarek for new Jacetice League member?
>>48069368
>>48070703
So you're saying that Emrakul, The Forbidden End, The Aeons Torn, takes in the desires of every single insignificant being she corrupts?
If that's not retarded I don't know what is.
>>48073058
Ah I see.
Really have to pat the design team on the back for that one
>so we have the villains for the next three blocks laid out now?
>as long as Chandra doesn't *actually* kill Ob
>Golden
>>48073101
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Karn again. Then we get two walkers for the price of one!
>RIP Venser
>>48073107
>If that's not retarded I don't know what is.
No one said that Eldritch abominations have to make sense to us.
In fact it's almost a prerequisite that they don't. But if it's not that, why else would the eldritch horror be pulling wished out of the well?
>inb4 Emrakule is actually Carly Rae Jepson
>>48073107
You may think what you want about it, but that is what the card implies. Reading it the other way, the entire flavour text does, indeed, become completely nonsensical.
>>48071161
It's called appreciating the small things in life. I would prefer a reality where neowalkers never existed and something like the Gatewatch was never even thought of as a possible direction the story of the game could go in. But this is where we are and I have come to accept that I will never like it and that lewd pictures of hot women is the best thing I can hope to get out of it.
>>48064535
this post made me feel like a dipshit for not getting why there was a cute kitty on the card
>>48073107
But that's exactly what it is, you fucking retard.
Pic related.
>>48073107
Let's evaluate what was written again.
>It's basically saying she twists wishes so that they are what she desires as well as what the wisher wants.
So, she grants wishes in a format that furthers her own agenda. The child wanted her teddy back from the bottom of the well? She's mutated into a hideous, long-limbed thing that can reach down and grab the teddy. She's a horrible monstrosity that serves Emrakul now and she has her teddy as well. So through this alteration, the wish has both given Emrakul what she desires and the wisher what she desires. Both parties are satisfied.
>>48064136
Which card is this?
>>48073520
>>48073532
Yet another Blue mechanic shifted into Red ...
>>48066652
Actually, if you look closely when your cat turns it's head to look off to the side, you can see that the rest of the eyeball is actually white.
>>48073543
You got Snapcaster, stop whining.
>>48071116
That's the worst fucking thing. Guess it's time to stop playing magic.
>>48073543
Blue has too many mechanics compared to the other colors.
I feel like donate makes more sense red.
>>48073683
Red also has way too few. Yet I feel like Wizards is going about it all wrong. The main problem for red is that it doesn't have enough variety at common, where pretty much all it can do is burn. The mechanics they have started to shift into red the last few years, and allow it to do temporarily, are not things printed at common though. With the exception of looting they have all been at best uncommon mechanics, and most often rare.
It's like realizing that the foundation of your house is built poorly and trying to fix it by laying a new roof.
>>48073749
The "exile top card you may play that card until end of turn" has shown up in common haven't it?
>>48069129
>>48069248
>>48069654
Or maybe Emrakul just really likes stuffed animals, and this IS her will.
hurry and post that hang out with cats image
>>48073774
This is the best conclusion
>>48070349
> We're on a plane with vampires, demons, ghosts, werewolves and so on eat the shit out of humans.
> Suddenly some cosmic horror came and turn every remaining good things bad, and every bad things worse.
> I guess it's time toDAAAAANSE!
>>48073769
There's one Uncommon, Act on Impulse. The rest is Rare or Mythic.
>>48064136
What happened to the last set? No more clues? We should get angel-hunting weapons or creatures.
>>48073543
Blue is take control, red has LOTS of give/exchange control cards.
>>48073504
This makes sense.
I think the writers meant this when they wrote the flavor text, but it came out wrong.
"Desires simply align to her will" kinda implies that the desires change to fit her will, but the card art shows that the desire stayed the same.
>>48074278
Red had plenty of (random) ownership reassignment. Usually in a form of gimmicky cards at 6+ cmc.
Harmless Offering is straight-up color swapped Donate.
>>48074350
Change to fit her will does imply that they change completely. They're just altered a bit. Kind of like monkey paw works
>>48073543
I mean blue isn't allowed to have Donate anymore, they lost their privileges and it went on the reserved list.
>>48074443
>does imly
For fucks sake. Does not imply
Hey guys I'm pretty dumb, what's wrong about the adorable kitten the strange man is giving me?
I ask knowing about the little things that show the kitten is monstrous, who cares?
>>48073504
The girl was holding her bear in the original card, though, is what I don't buy about it.
>>48074488
Maybe she threw it down the well before becoming the Cloistered child.
Or maybe the well actually answered her wish.
Or or, the tentacle'd child was struggling to either keep her teddy (keep her old memories) or let it go into the well (give up her old life.) This would explain Grappling with the Past.
>>48074412
Not /striaght up/. You can't use Harmless Offering to give things to yourself. Donate could give you permanent control over something you've only stolen for the turn.
>>48074577
I dunno. It does raise questions-- Another thing that interests me about it is that it implies more freedom to Emrakul's spawn than we've really been shown before. Just DESIRING something is more than we have precedent for out of them.
So did emrakul's brood on zendikar start at zendikari?
>>48074412
So has most new MtG lore boiled down to "this plane is gonna get fucked hard"?
>>48074412
Not only that, red has a ton of "take control until end of turn" cards.
Think of it this way: Blue control give/take/exchange is the product of mind control or manipulation.
Red has dozens of cards that also give/take/exchange control but they are based around impulse, chaos, betrayal, or bloodthirsty violent disregard. The Harmless Offering card fits the pie perfectly. It's intent is obviously a good-ol' Trojan Horse "heh, heh, heh, I can't wait to see the look of surprise on their face" type of flavor.
So to expand on the whole "Jace loses his composure on Kaladesh after eating a spicy curry." thing, here's how the exchange between Chandra and Gideon would most likely go before Jace collapsed due to capsaicinoid overdose.
>"...Oh this is going to be fun."
>"How do you mean Chandra?"
>"Well that particular curry is flavored with extremely potent peppers, they're so potent that slicing them up would destroy the flavor of the dish, so they just let them sit in there."
>"And you are telling us this why."
>"From the looks of it... Jace just bit down on one of them."
>>48074600
Mostly because drones are drones and not something with actual thoughts and desires.
>>48074696
its like the manga never ended
>>48074703
Yeah, and so it's more apt to assume that a drone that's expressing desire, or any set of goals or plans, is doing so as an extension of Emrakul.
>>48074722
There's exactly zero drones on INN though, they're all eldrazi horrors at worst and eldrazi x at best, the people stuck in Hanweir still existed as separate entities then there's also the granny that's having the time of her life.
>>48074682
That's most of mtg lore period
>>48074754
I mean I can buy that, but why's that the case? Emrakul can presumably shit out drones like the other two (Vestige of Emrakul)-- What's different now? Innistrad has seen a wholly different version of the Eldrazi and while this is an objectively good thing, I imagine there has to be a written reason for that somewhere. Maro's coyness makes me think that reason is the effect of Innistrad on Emrakul.
>>48074842
Different places different paces, I guess, thing is it all feels like Emmy was supposed to be a OG INN related eldritch horror at some point but got shunted out by Emmy because Emmy is marketable.
>>48074696
I've literally had that dish.
Protip: don't bite the peppers.
>>48065728
Or the bridge is necessary to get to the other side of town without getting eaten by the giant spider that lives underneath it.
>>48074880
That would have been better to be honest.
>>48074480
>I ask knowing about the little things that show the kitten is monstrous
>monstrous
Monstrous was almost 3 years ago, things have Escalated since then.
Watch out or worse things could Emerge.
I want history to come back to mtg, but its basically super magical history where people were literally gods among men
>>48071961
Isn't Garruk insane and wants to kill ALL Planeswalkers?
>>48075001
He's slightly less insane, and just thinks it's Really Super Fun now.
>>48074981
So like the one set ever, that was barely printed and at the time wasn't actually legal?
>>48075001
He's hunting them for sport, so yeah, kinda.
>>48064535
What's wrong with the mouth? Cats have sharp teeth, genius.
>>48075033
>>48075035
Follow up. Have we gotten any story of the (from what I've heard) random unnamed Planeswalker kills he's gotten? I'd like to read em if I could.
>>48074981
Oh shit, I'm reading Romance of the Three Kingdoms at the moment.
I started playing magic 5 years ago and had no idea of older sets like Portal.
I'm checking it out now.
>>48065728
>un-slitted
The pupils are wide, but they definitely taper up to points. They're slits, just wide slits. Cat-pupils can go from very wide to super-narrow depending on mood and lighting.
A midrange deck with 4 Demonic Pact and 4 Harmless offering and plenty looting for standard yes/no? It sounds like a super janky idea but god I want to try it.
>>48075343
Go Grixis or Mardu.
White has Starfield of Nix and Angelic Purge.
Blue has counters, Disperse, and Slimugar's Command.
Pact needs some support that Rakdos can't provide.
>>48075343
Demonic Pact, Triskaidekaphobia, Tree of Perdition, Harmless Offering, Unsubstantiate. Then run a creature-control deck with things like Rattlechains and Nibilis of Frost, Docent of Perfection, Sin Prodder, Stormchaser Mage, maybe Endbringer and Thought-Knot Seer if you're interested in that. It's like, midrange Grixis boardstall with two alternate win conditions.
>>48075390
>>48075605
What would the Grixis mana base look like without fetches? Is there some sort of acceleration currently in standard that can be used? I am mostly a legacy player so no Dark Ritual will hurt
>>48075869
Current mana bases are really variable and everyone uses different shit. Evolving Wilds is nice, the "unless you control 2 or more lands" series is used a lot, and I think the best fast manafix right now is the colorless lands that produce dual colors for 1 life. There's also a lot of the creature lands from last block because the format's a bit slower and you'll often want your lands to pull more weight in the mid to late game.
>>48075605
>AllTheJankCombos.dec
Yes please, my dream has come true.
>>48075605
Docent seems shit because no other wizards and we're already running a high curve, with Pact, Tree and Trisk being 4 drops. Any alternative 1-2 drops in this vein? Maybe some baby Lilianas?
Also, can you activate Tree of Perdition in response to Triska upkeep trigger?
>>48076161
Of course you can
>>48075605
As long as origins is around, you can do jund instead of grixis and go for a full enchantment strategy.
>>48076783
What would nice cards for this build be? I assume oaths?
Also, any idea if we will get Oath of Liliana enchantment in EM?
>>48076827
Yes, there is an Oath of Liliana coming.
THAT IS NO SON OF MINE.
>>48076783
Jund is super midrangey which I love, but for this specifically it feels to me like Grixis's control focus would better enable the win conditions in Pact and Triskaidekaphobia. I like the idea, though. I just would build it way different than what I wrote.
>>48076059
That's sensible. Docent does a good bit on its own, but it'd be harder to curve into. I was thinking the early drops would be like, Stormchaser Mage, Rattlechains, maybe three drops like Kindly Stranger or Daring Sleuth. I think two-drops would be a bit more solid than three-drops and Rattlechains is likely the best card for the low curve in general-- You just need the flexibility of mixing spells and creatures. But Kindly Stranger is nice too because it's uncounterable instant-speed Destroy removal, if you can keep her on the board, and you can repeat it with a flicker effect. It's just a bit slow to set up.
>>48073504
I think you got it
>>48077138
The mana will be a bitch in grixis though. No access to nice ramp stuff like Nissa. Your plan presupposes not only that we will hit a land drop every turn, but also that we will have two sources turn two, then three sources turn three.
Not that I have any right to speak of consistency - we are brewing a pact/offering deck after all - but still.
>>48077518
That's why it might be safer to lean on two-drops and spells than try to curve all four turns. But it's very possible, as well, to build it to curve as UR early on for the consistency and then try to gain the skellington mana later on through Evolving Wilds and Llanowar Wastes pain, alongside a couple Swamps.
>>48077600
So let's say something like:
>Turn 1 Insolent Neonate
>Turn 2 Stormchaser/Rattlechains
>Turn 3 tempo play - Spell Shrivel, Negate; or Lilly if by some miracle we have 2 black
>Turn 4 Demonic Pact
>>48077666
Perhaps a turn-4 tree or trisk if you happen to have those in your hand without the combo of Pact and Unsubstantiate/Offering to ensure you don't die in a few turns to yourself. I'd like to have Nibilis of Frost around in the same curve slot-- but that might be spreading things too thin, even if the Rattlechains combo would be a huge way to flip a board state in stalls.
>>48077777
I feel that to be (relatively) consistent this deck will need looting or card-draw. That's why Neonate may be playable in it, besides being a turn 1 play. Tormenting voice may be an option as well - I dont know if other standard sets have good cheap card draw in grixis.
The above cards also serve as madness enablers so we can play stuff like Fiery Temper - it clears the board and triggers prowess in case we have to rely on damage to win.
>>48073101
Ral Zarek please. I need my Jace/Ral ship to set sail.
>>48077842
Take Inventory will be dropping as a one-mana card draw that gets better as it hits the graveyard, it could be alright for just greasing the wheels. Otherwise maybe a baby Jace instead of a baby Liliana-- It's less unique but it's got card draw. Though, Unraveler of Secrets jace does have a better consistency +1, it's just a 5 drop.
Tormenting Voice and Read the Bones are probably both options for card draw, and we also have the third option on Demonic Pact. If we can reuse Unsubstantiates and Take Inventories with Vryn's Prodigy, that could also be plenty. I don't know what card draw tends to be the most competitive, though. It's not the first thing you see in tournament discussions, I guess, since the CoCo selesnya meta makes card advantage a pretty straightforward game.
>>48078036
I dont think this will win GPs even if it did have competitive card draw but I digress.
Problem with baby Jace is his price - even if we want to run 2 it's around 60 bucks, is it not? Unraveler of secrets is nice but as you've said, it's a 5 drop. On a bright side, that's exactly the spot where we need card draw, because we will be fishing for combo finishers. Ideally, game should end at turn 8 upkeep.
So far:
>4 Insolvent Neonate
>4 Stormchaser Mage
>4 Sin Prodder
>4 Tree of Perdition
>4 Take Inventory
>4 Triska
>4 Demonic Pact
>4 Harmless Offering
How does Replicate interact with Modal spells/Escalate?
>>48078232
Not a judge, but iirc, you choose the modes as its cast, once you do, the modes are locked in, so redirection and copying take it as it was cast.
>>48078312
Okay.
>>48069654
I think the implication is she turned and is fighting to keep the bear while her now murderous eldrazi master is compelling her to let go and start slaughtering everything.
>>48078228
That leaves 24 lands and 4 spells already, so if you were interested in throwing 4 Unravelers in there you'd have a deck. I'd probably do 2 Unravelers and 2 Read the Bones, is my guess, or instead of Read the Bones put Nibilis of Frost in for the sake of keeping a board stalled out.
One or two of Jori En, Ruin Diver would be nice, but only playtesting can say whether you get more average net cards from 2 Sin Prodder 2 Jori En, or 4 Sin Prodder, or 4 Jori En.
Otherwise, for the list I'd build, I'd likely thin out creatures somewhere to mix in 4x Unsubstantiate. So, just guessing as to where I'd go:
>24 lands, manabase crafting is pretty separate so whatever
>3x Insolent Neonate
>4x Stormchaser Mage
>2x Sin Prodder
>2x Jori En, Ruin Diver
>3x Tree of Perdition
>2x Nibilis of Frost
>2x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
>4x Take Inventory
>2x Triskaidekaphobia
>4x Demonic Pact
>4x Harmless Offering
>4x Unsubstantiate
And each individual proportion goes through playtesting to get tweaked further.
>>48078527
You are perfectly right - in no way my list was supposed to be complete, just suggestions.
I think we need some way to control our own life total to not die to our Triska - I saw that happen more times than I am comfortable with. Pain lands serve that purpose and so do Demonic Pacts but I wonder if there is a need for some lifesteal creatures. That being said, your idea of mostly keeping it U/R and playing B for wincons is a good one, I think.
>>48078595
>>48078527
I also think that 24 lands, considering our curve, colours and playstyle, is cutting it a little bit too close. I run 24 in my midrangy U/W fliers and I find it to be risky - in a deck where curve tops at 4.
i have an important lore-related question, viz: what happens if a vampire tries to vampirify someone who's already a werewolf
>>48069413
When he said about a planeswalker murdering everyone with mechanical goons I assumed he meant Urza
>>48078595
Unfortunately with the mana curve, the two lifelink creatures I can really see being useful would be Kalitas and Indulgent Aristocrat. Geistblast would offer an instant 2 damage spell and it'd make itself useful from graveyard with a Goggles copy, though. Might be reliable enough.
>>48075177
The murders won't be announced until MaRo decides it's time for the Jacetice league to fight the Hulk. And it won't be announced until we've had some sets of Jace travelling around the multiverse cracking clues.
Meanwhile, consider Garruk's unknown whereabouts as a reason for the absence of prints of oddball planeswalkers.
>>48078232
Spell copies retain the exact values of the original spell such as X value, chosen modes and targets. Note that most copy effects explicitly allow you to change the target for the copies.
>>48079571
The reason for this is that you choose targets and modes as the first thing after declaring that you're casting a spell, even before you pay mana for it.
It's not to be confused with cards like Cabal Therapy, however, which state "Name a nonland a card". You don't do that until the spell is resolving, well after any copy effects would have already placed more on the stack.
>>48064136
>>48073459
Don't feel bad, me too.
Am I the only one that's thought of gifting this.
>>48081796
This card looks fun for commander.
>>48081796
That, already-cast Thought-Knots once you've got something bigger on the board, Mindwrack Demon, Priest of the Blood Rite...
>>48074981
I miss when flavortext quoted the bible, Shakespeare and Plato
>>48064136
IT'S NOT DANGEROUS ENOUGH TO GO ALONE! HERE, TAKE THIS
>>48066654
>>48068965
Well, if the robot starts to move because there is madness (and vampires), the wolf itself wills to prey on them
My hope for Kaladesh is that, since we've only seen the RU (and a bit of W in terms of another "it's an oppressive bureacracy!) side of it, the plane is actually mostly aligned in these colors.Then Garruk shows up in full BG glory and actually, for realsies, kills a fucking Gatewatch member
>>48081796
or mindwrack demonor both
>>48081796
Honestly I'd only donate this if I had some way of burning an opponent's face for lethal after doing so
>>48072738
>protect the world
>conquer the world
Not technically contradictory goals.
any new artifact creatures coming in that expansion?
>>48088086
You mean besides the mighty WOLFBOT?
>>48088093
ye, i kinda want to build artifact deck(colorless) unless colored artifact ones work better.
I think i got 4x Memnite somewhere.
>>48088109
question bamp
>>48087272
He's not going to kill a gatewatch member for a while and you know it.
Not at least five or six blocks of them being together, and probably only a secondary member they pick up in said five or six blocks.
i really like the new prey upon art, compared to the old one of a werewolf attacking a human, this time the werewolf is being attacked by eldrazi
>>48090865
You'll be able to tell which of them is about to die by their colors. As soon as they have a new member that's the exact same colors as an existing member that means that either the new guy is there just to die or that Wizards want to replace the old guy.
>>48091154
I want to build a "fights target creature" deck. What best do?
>>48092585
Don't.
>>48092585
In old Innistrad I ran a fantastic deck that used Prey Upon to great effect.
Used Wild Defiance so that Prey Upon was +3/+3 then fight, while using creatures such as Bird of Paradise and Avacyn Pilgrim to ramp then Silverblade paladin and Wolfir silverheart for beatsticks. The Miracle for +6/+6 trample to finish and a few other small "Pump" spells and Rangers guile to fend off removal, A few other spells for just gravy.
Generally worked really well, not much stands up to a 6/6 Doublestriking Silverblade and a 8/8 Doublestriking Silverheart in casual games, and I got more than my fair share of kills from a double-striking bird of paradise getting pumped.
