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Interested in buying the Swordmaster class from Dreadfox Games. Anyone estimate what tier it falls into?
Eris > Megumin > Lalatina >>>>> Aqua
>>47940857
Is it in the Trove?
>>47940771
Under what circumstances does mythic actually standout from normal leveling? Tiers 3-4?
>>47940862
>Lalatina
>>47940857
Just a warning: if they have any decent stats, they become practically invincible in melee combat. I have a Swordmaster in my party right now. He's level 7 with an AC of 34, and that's not taking into account his whirling defense moves. There is literally nothing that can hit him without rolling a natural 20, and he currently has a +20 to hit. As long as your GM is okay with that, well, I hope he's experienced.
>>47940927
Do you have the book? Can you upload it, please?
>>47940940
The player bought it, and I don't know if its been scrubbed/how to scrub it.
>>47940949
Toss it up to QANON at their email. Someone can probably post the contact info.
>>47940949
Oh that note, I do have several 3PP items that aren't in the trove, but aren't scrubbed. I'd be willing to turn them over, but only if someone expunged my identifying info from them.
Target him with save or dies.
>>47940965
There's a dedicated cleaner. What're the books?
>>47940972
Some monsters from LPJ, a book on Epic enemies bestiary, the Swordmaster class, maybe a few others. I'd have to dig through it.
>>47940992
Good shit. Wait until QANON shows up, and ask for the contact info. You ought to be able to send it in.
>>47940992
Speaking of which, I'm one of those guys with way too much money and no dependents, so if this works out, if you guys have a wishlist of 3PP content that's not in the trove, I'd be willing to look into buying some of them.
>>47940910
>>47940862
What's the ritual for summoning QANON anyway? Create a circle of warez and sylph blood, then cast Black Hentacles?
>>47940992
Why would you put up literal shit from LPJ here?
>>47941049
Because I have it, and someone might want it.
>>47941049
Better to distribute it for free rather than risk somebody else accidentally paying for it, no?
>>47941045
You know that anyone with QA trove access (like me) can just download whatever they want and take screencaps of it, right?
>>47941120
Screencaps are shit. They aren't searchable or bookmarked.
>>47941120
I'm pretty sure >>47941045 is discussing the summoning of Our Lady of Sylphu for the purposes of submitting documents to be cleaned that aren't currently in the trove.
>>47940992
How does the Swordmaster compare with Path of War?
>>47941129
QA trove accessers aren't allowed to share PDFs until they've been fully cleaned.
>>47941142
Probably like shit.
>>47940887
Tier 1. All you need is Wild Arcana, and mythic spells and feats are enormously powerful. As is stuff like "pick a wildshape form, you can do it forever."
>>47941137
This. What's the matter,
>>47941120
Don't want Giant Space Hamsters in the trove?
>>47940771
Is there a list that compares non-core D&D3e classes (e.g. warlock, duskblade) to their nearest Paizo/PF equivalents? I'm trying to compile a list myself.
>>47941165
Send it to [email protected]
It's not that hard.
>>47941174
Magus is better than duskblade, warlock > kineticist
>>47941165
Please tell me that's parody.
>>47941188
It's obviously a joke based off of giant space hamsters and miniature giant space hamsters.
>>47941183
I mean ALL 3e classes. There's like 30 of them. What did Paizo convert unofficially?
What is a good Scarlet Throne build for Warlords? What disciplines sync up well with it?
>>47941012
http://www.makeyourgamelegendary.com/products-page/kings-and-kingdoms-adventure-path-plug-ins/
If you could get all of these with the exceptions of Faerie Mysteries, Faerie Passions, and Treasury of the Kingdom that'd be great.
>>47941214
There's not too much in Paizo's domain that have parallels to 3e classes outside of core.
Magus is akin to a duskblade.
Kineticist is a crappy warlock.
Mesmerist is a bland beguiler.
You could make very vague arguments to connect Favored Soul to Oracle and Knight to Cavalier, but there's not a big connection other than vague concepts.
>>47941254
Go Iron Tortoise and Silver Crane!
>>47941188
It is. The other monsters in the book are more serious.
>>47941361
Can you do a scarlet throne user who uses a buckler or shield and isn't a zweisent?
>>47941390
Oh, no, apparently not. That restriction was placed in a different part than where I was looking.
>>47941390
You can use a buckler, just not any physical shields larger than that, and no animated shields.
>>47940910
The irony is that Paladin absolutely loved getting ordered around and objectified.
>>47941435
>>47941429
>>47941390
This is a bare-faced lie.
You can carry a shield using Scarlet Throne Style. You can even *use* the shield in Scarlet Throne Style. What you cannot do in Scarlet Throne Style is wield the shield like an offensive weapon.
>>47941271
Ok, look interesting enough. Anyone else have requests?
>>47941466
I mean, unless I have the wrong version
>>47941029
>yfw you thought succubi upgraded the girl's body to max out your sexy dreams, and you're not even dreaming yet.
Crusader girl is best body.
>want to use Unquiet Grave
>at least half the enemies we fight are always undead
Sigh.
What's the best "get out of jail free" 1st level spell that I could buy as a potion?
Is it Expeditious Retreat?
I'm looking for something that I can chug and just fuck off with.
![[SAVE ME].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IcQkV4K.jpg "[SAVE ME].jpg")
>>47941479
No no, you're right.
I just have some revisions to do.
>>47941503
Sanctuary's useful too. Enemies have to succeed at a will save before they can target you.
>>47941516
That'd be, what, dc 11?
Can you cast spell with somatic component while having weapon on main hand and light shield on the off-hand?
I thought you could do something like..
free action to put sword on off-hand, and use the now-free main hand to cast. But I can't find an actual rule to support my claim.
>>47941518
Still good at low levels. I mean, once you're dealing with CR6 and up encounters regularly, not so much.
>>47941518
And only work for 1 round
>>47941271
What if I just got the River Kings Campaign Compendium. Does that cover everything you were looking for?
>>47941254
Depends on what you're trying to do, really. At a glance, Scarlet Throne seems to be pretty good on both the attack and defense fronts, and precludes using anything in your offhand - so Iron Tortoise and Thrashing Dragon are out. You could add Golden Lion for enabling your party members, Silver Crane for tankiness, or Solar Wind if you want to do ranged shenanigans. I suppose you could take Iron Tortoise if you wore a buckler and took the buckler bash feat, though.
>>47941551
Oh, and I forgot. Since you can use ST with a two-handed weapon, Primal Fury might be good for a secondary if you want to eat charge attacks and shit damage.
>>47941549
Pretty much, yeah.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/shamefully-overdressed
> No lady knight in the campaign for me to cast this spell on.
>>47941479
Iirc the DSP guys mentioned somewhere in the development of PoW:E that the restrictions on ST and BB weapons were out.
>>47941477
https://www.opengamingstore.com/collections/all-products/products/mythic-minis-93-feats-of-agility
https://www.opengamingstore.com/collections/legendary-games/products/mythic-minis-89-clever-combat-feats
https://www.opengamingstore.com/collections/legendary-games/products/mythic-minis-88-feats-of-misdirection
https://www.opengamingstore.com/collections/legendary-games/products/mythic-minis-87-feats-of-diplomacy
https://www.opengamingstore.com/collections/legendary-games/products/mythic-minis-72-elf-feats
https://www.opengamingstore.com/collections/legendary-games/products/mythic-minis-79-uncommon-racial-feats
Shit, there's a lot of stuff from them that isn't up.
https://www.opengamingstore.com/collections/legendary-games?page=1
>>47941570
>Range: Close
>Target: Creature touched
Am I going full retard having trouble figuring this out or, or did they?
>>47939211
Publishing a novel, anon.
>>47941586
Maybe that never went through, I just searched through the updated doc and didn't find anything talking about that for Scarlet Throne
>>47941570
>be in a game that's going to be a light-ERP game due to having 2 porn artists among the players
>half of the party is female
>at least two members are playing sluts - one is an Id-driven chaotic asshole, the other is a literal prostitute
>not a single caster among us
Feels bad man.
>>47941639
But where can we read it
>>47941596
I think it's meant to be a ranged touch attack within close range.
That, or Paizo is just retarded as always.
My money is on the second one.
>>47941651
>2 porn artists among the players
You know what that means, anon? Art's going to be made of your exploits, you lucky bastard.What are you playing?
>>47941709
Yeah, I figured. I'm ok with this.I'm playing a Human Female Warder who worships Arshea.
The rest of the party is as follows:
Human Female Warlord Pirate Captain
Human Female Warlord (Steelfist Commando) punchyfist
Male Beastbrood Tiefling Warlord (Desperado) - literal Revolver Ocelot
Male Elan Vitalist based on this guy: http://i.imgur.com/ADT7N7B.jpg
>>47941528
I'm pretty sure you can't, because you would need to hold your sword in your shield hand which is something you presumably can't do while holding the shield as well. If you're using a two-handed weapon, you can hold onto it with one hand and still use your other hand for somatic components, though.
>>47941654
Right now the story is still available (piecemeal, admittedly) on our website. I'll post the link(s) when the electronic version publishes; print'll follow.
>>47941737
>The prostitute is a Steelfist Commando
Oh boy.
>>47941761No, the prostitute is the Warder.
>>47941737
>Male Beastbrood Tiefling Warlord (Desperado) - literal Revolver Ocelot
That's so weird, my Reign of Winter group had the exact same thing with what's most likely the same inspiration.
>>47941768
Either way,you're lucky to get into a game like that. How do you find those sorts of campaigns, anyway?
>>47941737
>literal Revolver Ocelot
Wow, that soundspretty gooddoes he give barbs or knot?
>>47941808
>Literal Revolver Ocelot
>Ocelots areproud creatures, they prefer to hunt alone
>Beastbrood
Take a guess.
>>47941797Be friends with nerds who draw porn for a living and a DM who's a closeted pervert, everything else will fall into place.
>>47941808
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y897tozJeg8
>>47941285
So I took some time to work on a spreadsheet.
Occult Adventures is basically the poor man's psionics handbook, magic of incarnum and tome of magic with beguiler and warlock on the side.
3PP is much better. Ultimate Psionics is self-explanatory, Path of War is nuTome of Battle, Akashic Mysteries is nuIncarnum. Spheres of Power, Strange Magic and Pact Magic cover Tome of Magic. Some niche classes are covered by New Paths Compendium. For the ever-popular warlock, there's The Invoker and Strange Brew: The Warlock.
>>47941737
Lucky. Our group's pretty much all monstrous combat freaks and artillery guns.
Is there a non-shit Factotum homebrew for PF?
>>47942559
There's just updating the 3.5 factotum
>>47942475
You don't like monstrous combat freaks?
>>47942607
More like 200+ DPR was standard by the time we were 8 or 9th.
>>47942340
I've never seen the Invoker and Strange Brew: Warlock, are these by chance in the trove? If not who publishes them.
>DM is the most unreliable cog in the machine
>"Don't feel like playing tonight lol" after everybody has already set aside their evening and are being given only a few hours notice tops
>DM is the reason game always starts late
>DM goes and does stuff mid-game like make food despite having hours free beforehand
It's not the only group I'm in, thankfully.
>>47942645
Try running your own game and show the DM how it's done. It's actually kind of fulfilling, I find. All those character concepts I never get to play have a chance to see the light of daybefore being quickly snuffed out by the players ;-;
I've always wanted to play a copycat character in PF, ever since I played Rubick in DotA2.
A guy who temporarily gains the ability to cast someone's last-used spell or ability, whether it's a fireball, an ultimate sword technique, a unique transformation, whatever.
God damn, I really loved seeing this scrawny, twitchy motherfucker suddenly bust into anime shit with Omnislash, or start riding his staff like a witch's broom with Firefly. And the way the voice actor delivered the stolen spell names, och.
Aside from a few Fool's Errand and Shattered Mirror maneuvers, however, I haven't seen the ability to do this kind of thing.
There's that one thing, Spell Turning or whatever, where you bounce a spell off yourself and back at them, but that's not what I'm looking for. The thing I liked the most about Rubick was that you'd sometimes be BETTER at using some spells/abilities than their source, because the guy you spellstole doesn't have caster items. The fact you could use the ability in any way you wanted and not just reflect it back was also a huge deal for me.
So: is it possible to be a proper copy-cat character in PF? Is there a dedicated 3pp/homebrew class for it?
>>47942631
Invoker is by Little Red Goblin Games. Similar to 3.5 warlock but pacts are varied like with other caster class features.
Strange Brew is by Misfit Studios. It's a spontaneous counterpart of the witch class, similar to the 3.x Witch's Handbook. (Btw spontaneous counterpart of the Druid would be the Shaman from New Paths Compendium by Kobold Press.)
>>47941919I don't suppose you have an example of some of their work, do you?
>>47942645
Shitty playgroup time? I don't know if I can one-up you but I can try.
>DM's wife is the least reliable cog in the machine
>Wife's in the party but very clearly does not want to be playing at all
>Any time her rogue gets hit she starts shouting and getting upset at how much damage we're taking at level 10
>Starts screaming and bitching at the biggest inconvinience
>She's trying to sit back and play an archer on an unarchetyped rogue because it means she can stare at her phone and pay as little attention as possible
>DM will do nothing about it because it's his wife
>It's the only group I'm in
>>47941045
That sounds about right
Quick, what can a absolute faggot who is wet behind the ears and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing at all prepare for a Pathfinder session he's supposed to be running in one weeks time?
It's just two players and done online, but I'm still sweating bullets over it.
>>47942737
Download an AP and rip a section of the adventure to use as a standalone. Or just download a module.
>>47942676
The Arcanist's Greater Exploits Redirect Spell and Spell Thief might be closer to the mark. It's not a perfect Rubick, and I don't know of any class that would be, but both those exploits and the Arcanist's greater theme of doing things both fast and flexibly could easily be themed to fit with a Rubick like character.
>>47942705
Anon, the better question is whether he was looking for players.
>>47942713
>DM's wife barely roleplays
>DM's wife barely contribues in combat
>DM's wife spends the session doing shit other than playing and constantly brings up out of game stuff in the middle of roleplay and combat
>DM always follows up what unrelated shit she's talking about because he, too, does shit while he's DM'ing like read news and Tumblr
It kills me. He talks up roleplay and immersion and doesn't even bother to give the game his full attention. I don't know what eh expects, really. If he wanted to just chill and talk about recent goings on with his wife, then he could do it all day outside of the game.
Looks like we've both got it pretty rough, but I hope you do manage to find another group. Telling our respective DM's to get their shit together is one thing, but telling them their wife needs to get their shit together can only end poorly.
>>47942762
Hm.
Those are quite high level options, and they're not exactly great... But it's better than nothing, I suppose.
I'll dig through homebrew, maybe I can find something.
Maybe 3.5 had something fitting?
>>47942713
>Shitty playgroup time?
>Playing with friends
>Everyone does their best to RP and have fun
>One guy just kind of exists
>Always complains, loudly, in the middle of the game, about the smallest things like his Wizard being unable to cast Charm Person for a whole encounter 'cause the enemies are zombies, etc
>Doesn't RP at all even though his character is basically a self-insert
>Trying to drag him into RP results in him blurting out like 1-2 sentences
>Keeps trying to game the crafting system
>Blatantly disregards player spotlight by doing shit like interrupting the Bard's negotiations with a guard by casting Charm Person
>Constantly on his fucking phone
>Inserts random meme bullshit in the background of RP, like loudly saying SPURDO SPARDE ECKS DE DE DE when our Druid asks a bear for directions
>Everyone tolerates this for some fucking reason
>Can't speak out 'cause we're all very close friends
What are ways to raise your max dexterity mod for heavy armor, besides buying mithral?
>>47942880
Just pathfinder? I think armor training does it.
Non pathfinder there's an echantment in drow of the underdark which raises it by one or two, I believe. In dragon... 358(?) there are non-magical enhancements to armor that can increase the ac and max dex by 1, I'm pretty sure.
>>47942880
Nimble from 3.5
There's a dragon magazine thing that can increase AC by 1 and Dex by 1, but they're seperate things.
>>47940927
Gms will eventually just avoid attacking your character physically and hit them with the dark magicks.
>>47942713
>DM sucks absolute ass at the mechanics of the game
>Combats drag on forever but aren't challenging at all
>Loot is nonexistent
>Wizard has never seen a scroll or spellbook ever
>Shops never have anything worth a damn because "Realistically, this town would have about 3000gp worth of stuff altogether!"
>We never have downtime to craft anything either
>Complaining about it makes him say something like "Oh, okay, I'll tweak it!" but nothing changes
>DM spends at least half an hour every session arguing rules
>Even when someone interrupts with something like "Can we just PLAY PLEASE" the DM will bring it up again like 5 minutes later when it doesn't matter anymore
>DM constantly alt-tabs and reads memes on 9gag or something in combat, clearly not paying attention
>DM allows us all kinds of 3pp shit but then complains about it endlessly
>DM constantly rails on our Barbarian, spending up to 10 minutes per each of his turns carefully checking all his damage and to-hit bonuses
>Wizard goes unchecked and does whatever the fuck he wants, including Teleporting three times to get to Taldor just to shop in a big city (on his own of course)
>DM is actually really, really good at RP and improv even though he's never done acting lessons or theater or anything
>>47942938
Yeah. Enjoy being Dominate Personed, since you have a relatively low will save.
I hope the rest of your party has some way to stop your rampage when even enemies six levels ahead of you can't hit you except on a natural 20.
>>47942880
If you can waste around 5-6 levels in the Armor Bonded prestige class (3pp, 4winds fantasy gaming) you get a huge bonus to max dex,and if you keep going up you can get grafts to improve directly dex, con or str by +2, up to +4 each.
You also become one with the armor and can't take it off ever again, though.
>>47942950
>>47942773
That *is* a good question.
Are they looking?
Are these good saving throw bonuses for a level 6 character?
Fort +8
Ref +9
Will +8
>>47943485
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/monster-creation
See "primary ability DC"? Usually a bit higher than that if they focus on it, that value's only the average. You should be able to save at least 50% of the time, so they're okay.
>>47943485
You make your saves more than 50% of the time.
Honestly I never feel safe at level six unless I'm sporting a +11-12 Fort/Will save. Life is rough, gotta have dem saves. Last level 6 I played had the following:
>Fort
+13
>Reflex
+8
>Will
+11
Didn't feel safe one bit though.
>>47943620
Where'd you get those saves from? Looks like a G/b/G save chassis.
>>47943620
Damn, how do you get your saves that high at level 6?
I mean, I can boost my Ref really high 'cause I'm a brutal slayer stalker with STR boosts I can uncork, but I have no idea how to up the other two properly. I can buy myself a cloak of +saves, but I wouldn't know what else to do.
>>47941749
Congratulations on fulfilling your dream and please do post links to the electronic version once it is published.
>>47940771
I don't like that witches are int-based because that's already the wizard's shtick. Does anything break if I change her to wis-based?
>>47943706
That's the cleric and druid's shtick. In fact, every mental stat is occupied. Change her to a physical stat instead.
>>47943706
>>47943717CON-based casting would be fine with a few drawbacks and you can't prove me wrong
>>47943733
Everyone already knows old SWD was fine, fucknuts, stop trying to act like you're a revolutionary.
>>47943733
That's Spheres schtick. The witch will have to take Dex.
>>47943674
Was playing a Half-Orc Scarred Witch Doctor.
Spent a feat on Great Fortitude. Had a +2 cloak. Had the alternate racial trait for luck and fate's favored. Had a +2 fort familiar. Had decent stats (was on 25 PB).
>Fort
2 (base) + 2 (con) + 2 (luck w/ FF) + 2 (familiar) + 2 (cloak) + 2 (great fortitude) + 1 (trait) = 13
>Reflex
2 (base) + 2 (dex) + 2 (luck w/ FF) + 2 (cloak) = 8
>Will
5 (base) + 2 (wis) + 2 (luck w/ FF) + 2 (cloak) = 11
>>47943663
>>47943668
It's b/b/G actually, I was a witch.
>>47943807
Damn orcs with their favorable luck and overwhelming charisma to elf lads.
>>47943742
SWD was broken as all fuck. Physical stat optimization can get way higher theoretical values than mental.
SWD were enormously powerful when optimized, more so than most wizards. The only thing that held them back was their spell list.
>>47943827
Didn't they only get bonus spells from their high con, their saves were still based off of their intelligence? That gave them more spells and hp, but they didn't have the save DCs that SAD spellcasters (or even more so the now even more potent SWD) have.
>>47942790
3.5 had the spellthief class, which admittedly isn't like Rubick at all. It's more shank a bitch: steal a spell. Also, don't try to use it by going actual spellthief, much better idea to take a single level in spellthief, then go your full caster of choice and the master spellthief feat. I would do something like spellthief/wizard/unseen seer or something
>playing gunslinger in reign of winter
>decided to see if there's any support for guns in the campaign where i've gotten little to no appropriate loot
>mfw book 5
please help me /pfg/ why would paizo do this
>>47943864
And then take the spell that gives you +1d6/3cl because why not.
>>47943847
Everything BUT bonus spells were based on Con, other way around.
>>47943884
>why would Paizo d--
"fuck martials"
>>47940965
Upload them to zippyshare and email them to vhjune at shitmail dot org. That's the cleaners current email address. They'll scrub your info and get it into the trove, usually inside two weeks.
>>47943884
Speaking of which has anyone ever tried to hijack that fucking tank somehow?
Are there meme clauses for it not working out?
>>47943953
Going to Earth to for some god forsaken reason to fight Rasputin is fucking over martials?
>>47944078
The book has trench warfare on the front, a tank on the back, and is called RASPUTIN MUST DIE, I don't really know what you expected.
>>47943733
I would love to see a Con-based psychic warrior. Even if it's just bonus PP, not DCs.
>>47944198
Do psychic warriors even use their DCs? I thought most just chose buffs?
>>47940771
I'm trying to devise a unified vancian casting system based on Trailblazer. All casters now cast like arcanists, except that they know all the spells on their lists like clerics/druids do. Their caster level and spells/day is determined by their base magic bonus analogous to base attack bonus. I'm not sure how to translate the original spontaneous vs preparation divide, other than giving prepared casters more prepared (readied) spells and spontaneous casters more spell slots.
Thoughts?
>>47944308
I wouldn't translate the differences at all. Just make the spontaneous classes archetypes of the changed one. Would martials be getting anything alongside this caster boost?
>>47944356
>Would martials be getting anything alongside this caster boost?
What? Of course not.
Martials already do enough damage as it is, they don't need more.
>>47944394
Ah, you're right. Are you going to help even it out by nerfing power attack. That's way too much damage.
>>47944405
With these changes, I think the damage disparity will be more in line, as casters will be able to use spells like Fireball without having to compromise much, so I don't think martials need a nerf.
Wierd request, but anyone have ripped images from the pathfinder card game?
Would most disciples of Iomedae be distusting or hostile towards Tieflings to the point that they look for anything that would allow them to brand the tiefling a monster and/or criminal?
>>47944950
Ideally? Probably not, there would be more of a focus on making sure they're good people and are part of the congregation.
Realistically? Oh fuck yeah.Hang 'em all.
>>47940771
Since I didn't see it on any of the class lists, I'm attaching a list of 3PP hybrid classes, their parent classes, sourcebooks w/ links and publishers.
>>47942676
I enjoy copycat characters immensely and the only way I know how is with an initiator. I think the ultimate copycat character would be the new brawler initiator archetype focusing on Fool's Errand, Shattered Mirror, and probably Tempest Gale so you get that feel of stealing other opponent's moves/abilities(feats/maneuvers/spells/supernatural abilities with fool's errand and shattered mirror), disabling them from range(with tempest gale) and it also is quite good at melee and controlling others movement.
Is there a way to speed up the clones 2d4 month growth period?
I just got 8th level spells and I'm definitely getting clones for the group but I doubt we can stop to wait for the clones to grow. The closest thing I can figure is to buy a scroll of greater create demiplane and build one with double time but that wont last quite long enough given that even on a minimum roll we'll need 2 months.
>>47944429
>>47944405
>>47944394
>>47944356
>>47944356
>>47944308
lol u guise r funney xD
>>47945121
http://mantiseye.com/img/caps/20/scr15.jpg
Well you could... but....
>>47945000
>Dragon Disciple as a full class
>Magus, Sorcerer hybrid
I want it, no... I NEED IT.
I have the budget to buy 2 wands that have a level 1 spell in them.
I have already gotten one of them as a Wand of Infernal Healing.
What should the second wand be?
Keep in mind, I don't have a spell list and my UMD is only +9, so using it in-combat will be unreliable. Out of combat spells preferred, though I won't pass up some extremely useful combat spell if you know it.
>>47945590
Expeditious Retreat.
Alternatively, 2 level 0 wands, and get Prestidigitation and Message.
Ok so Arodens spellbane apparently render people immune to certain spells within its AoE. So let me give you two scenarios and let me know if it works as I interpreted it.
Lets say a Wizard casts Aroden's spellbane and adds time stop to the no-no list and then proceeds to fight a sorcerer who is known to make heavy use of the spell.
Scenario A: The sorcerer casts time stop and gets 3 rounds. The wizard has no other ally within range of the aura, does this mean that the wizard can act normally during the duration of the time stop?
Scenario B: The wizard casts time stop close to his allies, does this mean that they can act as long as they are within the spellbanes area while all other foes are frozen?
So Arcforge has gone on hiatus, again, after a couple of weeks of hiatus with no news.
>>47945692
It's been handed over to another publisher.
>>47945707
that's what's hiatus'd
>>47945646
Time Stop is a self-buff. It does not affect anyone else. You don't stop time, you just move at unbelievable speed. Spellbane wouldn't do anything to Time Stop unless you make it so the Sorcerer cannot be affected by his own Time Stop.
>>47945000
Question for everyone. Do you prefer hybrid classes or unchained multiclassing?
Is it okay to let a player play as a drow noble?
>>47945814
The racial bullshit? fuck no.
>>47945767
Variant multiclassing is awful, it's like they shat on a paper, decided it was too good, so threw in some british cuisine. Also arcanist spell casting is actually enjoyable compared to the wizard (for me)
>>47945814
Yes, if everyone else is as well. You could have them all be drow nobles and work against each other to try and gain more power. Or you could run vampire instead.
>>47945814
Depends on what class they intend to play, how good they are at optimizing, what they intend for the character, how the other players at the table will react, how the GM will react, and a number of other things.
you know, like all racial options.
Given Drow Noble is on the upper end of the power scale, though, I'd say it's unlikely to fly.
>>47945852
Barbarian is an alright VMC, I think.
The rest, not so much.
>>47945967
I think Oracle is good for paladins and I think wizard was okay if you wanted a familiar. Gunslinger was strictly worse than not taking it.
>>47945852
A handful of the full caster ones aren't bad.
But things like Gunslinger are unbelievable in how horrible they are. It's a goddamn slap to the face.
>>47945977
Gunslinger is so very terrible a VMC.
You don't get anything that's not a feat until 14 or something. And NEVER get Gun Training, the main thing people would want.
How was your latest session /pfg/?
>>47945814
If they're taking that one racial alternate trait that trades out all the SLA, sure.
>>47946022
>Firearms proficiency only at 3rd
>Can't upgrade it or make your own ammo till 7th
>Not even grit pool or 1st level deed until 11th
Goddamn.
>>47946033
ERP-tastic. Half the party and an eidolon are pregnant with demon moth babies. Well, one of them got mutant spider-scorpiopede eggs, but still.
>>47946129
Sounds like your party requires a lot of fire, and things that bypass immunity to fire.
>>47945967
Arcanist VMC wizard seems viable IMO. You may sacrifice a few feats but if you spend all your exploits for item crafting and metamagic then the trade off for faster class feature progression seems worthwhile.
Conjurer/Diviner is my preferred VMC school which will then let me grab acadamae graduate and eventually the arcane discovery will make it possible for mr arcanist to grab time stutter for safe quick study in the middle of combat as well as any other amount of shenanigans.
>>47946129
Disgusting. This is half the reason my last character was a eunuch.
>>47946148
Actually yes, those things would be quite helpful given the amount of fire-immune critters that a party faces on a normal basis.
>>47945852
Oracle, Wizard, Barbarian, Cavalier, Magus, and Cleric are decent and worth it depending on the character.
>mfw my character has managed to straight up build his own Kingdom and army, behind the scenes without any other PC realizing it.
Sometimes its god damn good being a bullshit merchant Doppelganger.
I'm not even planning to betray them, the only reason they don't know about it is because my character is secretive by nature.
>>47946155What's the other half?
>>47946171
Eunuchs have interesting cultural dynamics to explore. The character in question was born a slave and castrated before puberty to be a performer. Now he is a semi-sociopathic terrorist. A lot of things happened and he ended up having a warped perception of the value of human life, which came with how he and other slaves were treated.
Basically the guy is dead inside and thinks everyone else is to.
>>47946148
Fire only helps if they use it. Making bets with demons of an unknown nature tends to have other consequences than XP.
>>47946155
Wouldn't help the girls, and since Paizo gave them oviposition with mind control larva...
>>47946150
I never considered this actually, but it's a pretty strong VMC for the class since it's way better than the School Understanding exploit, and it doesn't trade out Exploits like the School Savant does, which leaves Blood Arcanist available.
>>47946204
For reference the character was an Alchemist Eldritch Poisoner.
>>47946315
So he's dead inside, everyone else is too, and if they aren't he makes them dead inside AND outside.
What are some mechanically-useful things I can do with a prehensile tail?
Aside from the swift-action item-retrieval thing.
>>47946349
Use and reload two guns at once
>>47946334
The character's endgame was the downfall of his nation, not to put himself in a position of rule, but to reduce the place to a state of anarchy.
During his stint as a slave he eventually was trained as a traveling performer/assassin. Performers are allowed to travel and he in this travels would kill and not leave many signs (he made poisons on the fly instead of carrying them or any ingredients).
After running and living as his own person he turned the talents back at the government. So he was an anarchist terrorist. Once he toppled the society and removed the scaffolding people used to be nice to each other what was really there would shine through. Since everyone was like him underneath it all this would be perfect.
So in short he was insane. Ended up being in a mostly good party and hiding it for eight months OOC and two years IC.
>>47945875
Why are they considered strong?
>>47946216
Demons break their word at any and all opportunities, you should not make any kind of deals, bets or ANYTHING other than violent looting of the bodies with demons.
>>47946514
First of all their stats. They stand out ahead of all the other races by an enormous margin (+2 to all mental is crazy).
Then the fact that a drow noble is touting around as much magic as a level 3 character simply for being noble.
Then spell resistance. An equal level caster only has a 45% chance of effecting a drow noble with a spell if it allows SR. That's HUGE.
This is on top of the normal racial abilities, drow are not a weak race.
>>47946514
They have overwhelmingly positive stat adjustments, with only a -2 to CON, bonuses to saves, skills, and SR, darkvision, and a plethora of at will spell-like abilities. They also have a large amount of alternate traits that allow a player to tailor them to a specific build.
>>47946514
Well, normally, the race point system is pretty shitty, but in this case it illustrates my point rather well.
Human:
>+2 to any one stat
>Know any language except for secret ones
>Bonus Feat
>Extra skill point per level
Total RP: 9
Drow
>Standard stats (+2 to two stats, -2 to one other)
>Elven Immunities
>Lesser Spell Resistance
>Racial bonus to perception
>Poison use
>weapon familiarity
>120 ft. Darkvision
>light blindness
Total RP: 14
Drow Noble
>Advanced stats (+4 to one stat, +2 to three others, -2 to another)
>Elven Immunities
>Greater spell resistance
>Racial bonus to perception
>Three different spell-like setups, one that's lesser, one that's greater, and one that's at-will
>Poison use
>Light blindness
>Darkvision 120 feet.
Total RP: 41
Ok so my Taldan character is feeling particularly patriotic lately. How does he express all this pent up patriotism without pissing off his Varisian cohort, who not that I think about it is more or less a sepoy of sorts?
She's not really the most talkative and probably just rolls her eyes everytime my affably idiotic PC says something dumb but will this offend her in any particular way?
>>47946582
SR is shit and casters get bonuses to penetrate it through racials, feats, and items.
>>47946585
>Bonuses to saves
No?
>Skill bonuses
+2 Perception
>>47946630
Just use the trait to trade out the SLAs for Nimble Moves and ignoring underground difficult terrain
>>47946659
Taldan are basically the Americans of Golarion when it comes to displaying national pride.
There is literally nothing short of violence or harmful racism directed towards her that should set her off.
>>47946674
Perception is an incredibly useful skill. Elven Immunities aren't particularly good but they're still there. SR can be worked around easily, but you still need to work around it - it can't just be ignored. And even more than that, you still haven't addressed +4 DEX, -2 CON and +2 to all mental stats.
How can Americans unironically say Andoran is their Golarion equivalent when the Andorans actually care about the freedoms of sentient folk and actually care about being goodly?
>>47946674
>SR is shit and casters get bonuses to penetrate it through racials, feats, and items.
Getting more than a +6 is difficult. This is on spells you're good at. That still means there is a 25% chance any spell cast on your just doesn't do anything.
At low levels character likely won't have more than a +1-2, meaning they get off scott free 40% of the time.
How do I GO BEYOND? What embodies PLUS ULTRA?
>>47946736
How do you manage to be this autistic?
>>47946738
I mean unless they use one of the VERY MANY SR ignoring spells.
>>47946715
It's just stats with no real notable racial features if you lose the SLAs, and they deal with it by the fact that you're a rare, uncommon race that's typically disliked. RP that shit.
Hey, are Tieflings typically beautiful because their fiendish parent was a Succubus or Incubus?
>>47946773
No, tieflings are typically average-looking. Thanks for asking.
>>47946736
They're literally dressed up like American soldiers, have American-style names, have corporation problems, and their divine patron is LITERALLY A BALD EAGLE.
>>47946760
>I mean unless they use one of the VERY MANY SR ignoring spells.
SR ignoring spells make up ~10% of the spell list. It means that enemies need to play around it. A lot of monsters have SLAs they can't change out like players can change out spells.
You're acting like it isn't something enemies would have to consider when attacking. It ruins a lot of creature's strategy, and if the enemy doesn't know its going up against a creature with high SR they're boned.
>>47946760
>and they deal with it by the fact that you're a rare, uncommon race that's typically disliked.
Again, the fact that a lot of races don't like you doesn't make up for the fact you are simply MUCH stronger than most races. Most races hate orcs, and orcs are garbage.
>>47946773
They're typically ugly actually. Depending on the sub species they vary from kinda ugly to horrendous monster.
>>47946791
But real world Americans stand for none of any Andoran ideals
>>47946821
Plus even when you get through SR they probably still get a save.
>>47946821
That's because PAIZO hates Orcs, not because other races hate orcs. If you aren't reworking orc stats for your games, you've got brain problems, son.
>>47946837
Are the British devil-worshiping, law obsessed assholes with delusions of grandeur?
>>47941378
What other monsters are in the book? Any new playable races?
>>47946860
Well, they sure think importing Muslims will help them.
>>47946791
British soldiers, they basically wore similar clothing
>>47946847
What's wrong with Orc stats typecasting them as dumb violent walls of muscle?
>>47946871
>Europoor edcation
>>47946847
Are you retarded? I can't tell if you're trolling or just mentally deficient. You're entire argument is "They can be strong because you just have to make folks hate them", when they isn't actually an argument considering there are TONS of races that aren't powerful that are hated by the masses.
Hobgbolins, goblins, kobolds, wayang, dhampir, normal drow, tiefling, changeling, duegar and svirfneblin.
What should they get SR, SLAs, and stat boosts because people dislike them?
>>47946674
>It's totally balanced for anyone who wants to cast spells on me to have to invest significant resources into being able to do so.
>>47946033
Not bad. My Captain Non-specific Nation brawler threw his mighty shield and knocked the evil duke clean off the top of the tower we were fighting him on, and managed to keep the princess from falling when the tower inexplicably began to collapse afterwards.
Of course, the minute we were safe, she threw herself into the arms of Prince Elfy McElferton the bard, thanking him for rescuing her despite spending roughly half the final battle unconscious. Not that I was gunning for her or anything, but I think I earned a "good job" or SOMETHING.
Next session's probably RP and downtime, presumably kicking off with the king thanking us for kicking ass and taking names.
>>47946871
British wore red, Americans wore blue. Hence the British Redcoats.
Andoran eagle knights wear blue.
>>47946907
Captain Country will probably get the princess's hotter, younger sister.
Oh who am I kidding, if he's anything like Captain America he's going to wind up with a boring, average and very dull blonde.
>>47946860
That'd be the French
What are some good ways to get Hide in Plain Sight or equivalents without needing to be a high level Rogue or a Shadowdancer?
Shadowdancer has too much feat investment for my taste.
I'm doing this in an alchemist.
>>47946939
You're thinking of Galt or Taldor.
>>47946894
>>47946843
>>47946821
>>47946760
All this SR talk is making me miss 2e and the flat % chance for spells to fail. 35% SR? Might be worth a shot. 80% ? Leave that one to the fighter.
>>47946939
The French are either busy beheading people in Galt, or getting fucked in their tight fat ass by Molthune.
>>47946942
Hellcat Stealth.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/hellcat-stealth
Is it just me, or are the PoW style feats kind of... meh?
I was thinking of getting into homebrewing, or more specifically homebrewing races.
I was going to make a race for you guys in a pastebin as a test run; are there any pointers before I start?
>>47946952
France is Galt and Nirmathas, though it could be argued Nirmathas represents the Low Countries more.
Taldor is Europe Land, it's as British as it is German as it is French, though it has a clear majority lean towards Greece.
>>47946983
Make it something original. Don't waifu-bait or just try to stat out a race from another medium.
>>47946987
>Greece
>being this stupid
The end stages of Rome, if anything. Decaying empire, no poverty, debt, or child rape.
>>47946969
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/hellcat-stealth
This is stupidly good. Holy shit.
>>47946987
I always felt Taldor had a slightly Spanish feel. In general though it really is "Monarchy Europe Land."
>>47946983
For all its terribleness, the racebuilding page isn't a terrible resource for ideas and such.
>>47946983
My only pointers are to not use the Race Builder and try to find a balance of giving them something interesting without getting into drow noble power levels.
Otherwise, what kind of race?
>>47946969
One thing though, if I am in dim light I still can't hide if I don't have cover, or in darkness from creatures with dark vision.
>>47947006
Check out the Lurker In Darkness feat from PoW:E while you're at it.
Lets you use Stealth against shit like blindsense or scent or whatever and even lets you counter-meme your GM when he starts having people spam Detect Magic to ping your magic gear to find you.
>>47947020Dire Human
>>47947044
This is why I always have a layer of lead paint on my gear.
>>47947024
Dim light gives you concealment, which you can use to stealth.
And a reasonable DM would let hellcat stealth apply to people finding you in the dark with darkvision.
Is Steel Serpent bad?
I heard that it's bad.
I kind of want to use it, but if it's REALLY bad...
Thoughts?
What's the best casting race for Catfolk?
Sorcerer?
On that same vein is the Arcanist the best of the casting classes in general?
>>47946987
>>47947005
>>47947007
wtf Taldor is clearly Byzantine Rome
>>47947095
Wizard is better than Arcanist in the long run.
Nothing can beat Wizard if given enough time.
Short-term, Arcanist will usually perform better than Wizard.
>>47947047HFY is go!
>>47947084
>And a reasonable DM would let hellcat stealth apply to people finding you in the dark with darkvision.
That seems like an unreasonable assumption. Considering I am not in bright light.
>Dim light gives you concealment, which you can use to stealth.
Again not against creatures with Dark Vision, hmmm...
>>47947115
This being said, most campaigns don't allow wizards to have leisurely preparation time for every encounter. Being able to cast more, once shit hits the fan is almost always better.
>>47947113
>end stages of Rome
>Byzantine Rome
Please learn to read.
>>47947130
So doesn't that mean the Arcanist is better then?
But all the time it's still better than the sorcerer, right? (Unless your race gets +CHA?)
>>47947124
It's not a property of you being in normal or bright light, it's a property of your stealth abilities.
You can stealth against people regardless of light level, but take a -10 if you don't have enough darkness to hide in.
You don't have enough darkness to hide in vs darkvision, so you just take the -10.
This is the RAI of the feat, if not the RAW.
>>47947134
There's about 1400 years of "end stage rome" depending on who you ask
>>47947156
Sorcerer cannot possibly ever be as good as Arcanist or Wizard.
Ever.
They might beat them in a 1 on 1 fight due to a failed save or whatever, but the sheer amount of spells Wizard and Arcanist get just shits all over Sorcerer.
>>47947170
>Here's a class that can buy more class features
>BRILLIANT
fucking morons.
