This is a not a general edition
>Not the Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>Not the FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>Not 40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf
>Not the Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>Not the White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>no Novels (not Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
>>47931779
Shh, don't let the shitposters know about this... this is the thread to talk about the 40k tabletop game.
What games are you excited about, what lists are you thinking about making, any cool kitbashes you working on, any neat writefaggotry in the works?
>>47931779
I had an idea for a fanfic for salamander bikers
>>47934841
i'm actually trying to work in a playful "nigga stole my bike meme" with the blood ravens
I have got SO MANY SPRUES!
Anyone know any clever uses for 20 empty plastic sprues?
>>47935044
Tank traps.
>>47935080
Hey that's actually a good idea.
>>47931836
I want a new army, eed to check how much of this I can afford.
start collecting, 2 more boxes of warriors, another raider, another box of reavers, scourges, incubi, a venom, talos, cronos, haemonculus and both dark eldar books.
>>47931836
I have a game on Saturday.
I'm trying to find a job so I can buy the rest of my army. I used my excess financial aid last semester to get my 1000 points of marines and I don't want to do that again.
THE POUND IS AT AN ALL-TIME LOW!
BUY FW NOW!
>>47936313
Beat me to it.
>>47931836
>What games are you excited about, what lists are you thinking about making, any cool kitbashes you working on, any neat writefaggotry in the works
I'm excited about Blood Bowl, a 6 man Kill Team campaign that starts next week, and CitOW - just got it.
Nothing super exciting. Last large scale 40k I played was couple 1850 games with Nurgle Incursion vs Tau.
Not working on any kitbashes, but 2 projects out is a crashed Stormraven using a manufactorum type GW kit, and a Stormraven kit with the Chapter House fuselage extension.
>>47936313
What's it at right now/what will it be in the morning?
>>47936483
1£ = 1.34$
>>47931836
I JUST GOT A FUCKING JOB. I start Monday. I'm going to use my money to start a whole army of Catgirls in power armour, courtesy of Horus Heresy 5.
>>47936732
Good to hear, hopefully it will be enjoyable.
>>47936313
If only the dolarydoo was strong.
>>47936732
>courtesy of HH5
are they in that book?
Salvo 2/4 Stormbolters with Shred
Would this make Terminators worthwhile?
>>47936846
Imperial Cults and Militia. You can obtain Power Armoured catgirls with the following:
Providences:
> Abhuman Helots(+1 Toughness, -1 Initiative)
> Survivors of the Dark Age(+1 to armour saves, gain an option on S4 Las weapons).
Then max out your troops as Grenadier Squads, which have 4+ armour native, which becomes power armour. You now have Abhumans in Power Armour, feel free to model them as catgirls.
>>47936893
Sweet. If I ever do Carchadarons I'll ally in some 30k sharkgirls for them.
>>47936891
Why not just make them Assault 4. It isn't like SB are strong.
Working on a orky looted sherman. Counts as mekboy junka. Whatcha think?
>>47931779
OP, I love you right now. No homo.
>>47936960
It needs to have some kind of turret. You should probably look into stealing one from another kit. It also needs lots of scrap plating to make it more orky.
>>47936933
Here's the pages for the Providences rule, you only get to pick 2 for each detachment. Also there's a few other things to note, in that this army is "BATTLEFORGED-MANDATORY", no unbound allowed with it under any circumstances. Then again this is the same deal with nearly all other 30k armies, most things just don't work in unbound anyway.
Here's page 1. The source of all the hilariously large customization for Imperial Cults and Militia. You can make literally anything with this army list.
>>47931836
I'm working on some writefaggotry. First one is some 30k writefaggotry about a Justaerian and best bro reflecting on the the changes the Heresy is bringing and if it's what they want. I can't do worse than BL with their HH stories. Theme for it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU
And another 30k story about how my forge world getting one last middle finger from the Old Night before the Imperium makes contact with them.
>>47937059
Page 2 here: Cult Horde's great for melee armies, as Zealot Levee squads are hilarious, especially if you kit them for melee. It also permanently solves their army-wide low leadership problem.
But I would recommend Feral Warriors and Abhuman Helots if you want Pelager allies for carcharadons, to maximize your "RIP AND TEAR".
>>47937079
Killer Whale Ogryns, oh my god I'm gonna do it.
>>47937076
Share it when its done.
I just put in an order for a pair of these guys (and one with three-fingered power claws) to stand in for "The 60mm robot," either Kastelans or Castellax, in my Mechanicus list. Screw the dome head bots I'd need two boxes of, screw paying 60$+ per Castellax that I don't like very much.
Plus they look like giant, hulking Thallax to me, so they'll blend in well enough.
>>47936988
I love you, too. No homo
>>47937119
>screw paying 60$+ per Castellax that I don't like very much.
Anon ....
How do I fluff a Space Marine Chapter, Imperial Knight House and Imperial Guard mash up? Thinking about how Space Marine recruits from both Agriworld and Hiveworlds the latter two are based from.
>>47935044
Spruecron army.
>>47937112
Will do, Anon.
>>47937187
Does anyone else hear the transformers sound when they see this? I sure do.
>>47937105
They're kind of shit outside of certain very specific builds. The only way I've ever seen it work is if you go the route I did with Abhumans and SotDA, and run them as Max-size, 10 goonz with Carapace armour(Which then goes up to power armour). But that takes out a pretty huge chunk of your points.
So 10 Ogryns with toughness 6(Haha, not getting ID'd by a vindicator is great), and wearing Power Armour is the only way they're ever viable with the sheer base cost.
But that brings to a point of the sheer cost of deploying such a unit. With all of the taxes, you're setting yourself back 390 points for the base squad, plus more points so they can have decent weapons..
Then there's the tax of you MUST have a force commander to get the providences. 170 points for said commander to put the providences into play. Then the mandatory 2 grenadier squad(3 if it's your primary detachment) tax, which is another 195 points.
That comes out to 755 points to put killer whale ogryns on the table... In a cad. Allied detachment brings it down to 690. It all adds up pretty quick.
>>47936955
I think that would make them a bit too good on regular infantry, and this way Combi-bolters can be Assault 3, TL'ed, 18".
>>47937162
Sounds plausible
>>47937205
A shame. Regular sharks will have to do.
Have they spoiled the DEldar and Eldar start collecting boxes yet?
>>47937196
40K has a lot of mechanics that help close combat other than just making it the Instant Death phase, that simply couldn't work in a real-time setting. I think the strengths and weaknesses of actually being in close combat are pretty well balanced; the imbalance for stabby armies is in getting into range and pulling off a charge. If we could get them into melee more reliably, the existing Assault rules should be enough to keep CC in line with shooting.
>>47937198
WRRN WRRN WRRN
>>47937294
Yes, i dont know where though. May not be translated yet.
>>47937294
archon gives preferred enemy to units within 12, eldar gain twinlinked, blood angels get feel no pain and it will not die for a turn
>>47937301
Like allowing shooting units to smack you back in your own fucking assault phase? Get the fuck out of here, clown.
>>47937294
As I recall both kits are mainly useful for the models and not for the formations.
>>47937357
Those single S:U AP- hits are terrifying, aren't they?
>>47937364
Sad, dark eldar took a bad nerf lately and I hoped this would make them more playable.
>>47937346
Archon points at unit in line of sight and all units from the formation have prefered enemy against "That specific unit he pointed to"
>>47937378
>melee units have to pay out the ass for good weapons
>basic guns come with AP for free and cheap AP2
Thanks for proving the point.
>>47934935
In your bike squad, have an assault marine with standard backpack mounted on a bike base.
He just runs really fast, you know like Bolt...
Might work better for scout bikers.
Then another in the squad is just a straight up blood raven riding a green bike.
Always position him in front.
>>47937378
Same fucking hits the melee units are using. You just listed the stats for a chainsword.
>>47937400
You forgot the part where you get to sweep whole units off the table after killing a single model.
>>47931836
Still trying to paint these god damn fliers. Overtime has been too good at work and this much Yellow and White is actually the worst.
I actually started working on some of the writefaggotry I had on the backburner to avoid painting.
Also haven't gotten a game in for about a month now which is a bit lame. A summer campaign started at my shop which sounds fun and currently has 18 players. The owner even called me to ask if I wanted in but I decided not to since I cant guarantee I can make all the meet ups or honor all the matches.
>>47937414
Close combat units will have twice as many attacks or more. Boltgun and Chainsword on a Tactical Squad don't make a close combat unit.
>>47937424
Sort of like shooting half the squad and it can never regroup again?
>these faggots actually arguing that melee is as good at shooting
lol /tg/
why bother having 40k discussions at all when they're all this delusional and shitty
>>47936313
Mfw the Z order I was going to place today (payday) will have just become much more expensive...
>>47931836
working on a exalted seeker chariot and regular chariot of slaanesh. i wanna get a game in soon. i'm thinking herald on exalted, lesser loci, exalted reward for eternal blade. just spam the fuck out of s4 and s5 rending attacks. there was a similar build in whfb involving a bsb but i don't remember what their wargear did
>>47937214
But Salvo would screw over the entire purpose of them being an assault weapon.
>>47937463
Okay, you're right, the problem with close combat has nothing to do with footslogging across the battlefield and a lack of effective Assault Transports that don't cost a billion points. The problem with close combat is that shooty units like Fire Warriors regularly stomp Assault Marines and Thunderhammer Terminators in the Assault Phase itself.
incoming noob questions:
gonna get into 40k, all i know is i want to get into orks but have no idea where to start.
just wondering if anyone can provide me with a basic 500-1000 point army list?
I want to work on my own list eventually but for now i just wanna figure out what models i need to buy, slap them together, play some games and then start working on tweaking and building upon my own lists when i get a bit more experience playing.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>47936313
It is currently at 1.37 to 1 on the dollar, which is a good drop from around 1.5
Buy now!
>>47937560
Get your self two boxes of gretchins to fulfill your troops slots.
Buy a truck to kitbash into ~3 Mek Guns. Will need more gretchin to man them.
Get a Battlewagon with a Pain Boy and Warboss with as many MechaNobz. OR get a Pain Boy and Warboss on bikes with like 10 other fucking bikers.
Either way your screwed.
Look into Space Odins codex or whatever its called if your group supports Home Brew. If you play at a GW prepare to be NPCd.
>>47937574
Why the fuck is it going back up from 1.32
>>47937555
>Okay, you're right, the problem with close combat has nothing to do with footslogging across the battlefield and a lack of effective Assault Transports that don't cost a billion points.
These are only a problem because shooting is OP and you're being shot at while doing those things.
>>47937587
well i'm not planning on going to GW, just gonna be a small group of mates getting into it so we're just playing for the fun of it.
i like the idea of bikes, seems like they would be fun to paint.
Cheers for the input.
>>47937656
I know those things are problems, that's why I'm working on solutions to them (>>47936188). But the actual assault phase, you know, the part where your stabby guys get to turn the tables and steamroll the squishy shooty guys, is not broken. Which is why solutions to make close combat balanced include always being able to charge (though sometimes at a disadvantage) and having more reliable charge range rolls, and not making Chainswords AP1 or making units that have been assaulted unable to fight back.
>>47937796
Well nerfing their ability to charge from around a corner to safely avoid shooting sure and removing their bonus attack from sacrificing a hand to hold a pistol isn't the fucking solution.
>>47937523
Terminators can still assault, and the idea that two Boltguns glued together will make an easier to handle weapon is dumb. Further, Storm Bolter as an assault weapon is just awkward. You already have pistols and Combi-bolters if you want a shooty CC upgrade, and a Salvo Bolter gives the sergeant something it lacks; a dedicated shooting upgrade.
>>47937523
Salvo on a stormbolter doesn't really change much considering what you normally find it on I.E. Vehicles. Sure it's also on vanilla terminators but they have relentless so it doesn't really affect their ability to charge things. If anything it might make Stormbolters more varied compared to regular bolters which it pretty much is save for the whole "assault" weapon type as opposed to rapid fire.
>>47937857
You're designing a weapon around one unit, the opinion that its dumb doesn't matter, I think the fact you don't stack cover and armor saves is dumb.
Salvo is a horrible weapon type. Assault is what they need to stay as. If we want to make Termies better they need to be able to take multiple AC or TML.
>>47937853
What are you talking about? Open up your rulebook and you'll see that charging without Line of Sight to the target is currently impossible. Making it possible is not a nerf, no matter how many drawbacks it comes with.
And speaking of drawbacks, the only additional drawback added to Disorganized Charge as written by GW is a penalty to Initiative.
>>47937931
Simply charge with one model giving LoS. This limits overwatch losses to one model, but the rest get in the charge for free.
His change would make everyone out of LoS lose their charge bonus.
>>47937931
You shouldn't be nerfing assault at all as it stands, regardless of other buffs. You don't nerf the underpowered shit. And if you can't figure out the los thing you're just a bad player.
>>47937857
>>47937898
>>47937923
>Terminators get two Storm Bolters
Was that really so hard? No diicking around with weapon profiles find on other units required.
>>47937941
Question then, if the only model with LoS dies, does this prevent the whole unit from charging? It sounds like it would if he was also the only one able to charge to begin with.
>>47937958
LoS is only checked when declaring a charge or firing overwatch. Please don't have rules discussions if you don't know how the rules work. This is why the generals are always so shit and the discussions turn into "are you stupid" and "well at least I'm not a WAACfag" or "Tau aren't even OP".
>>47937954
That works.
>>47937941
>His change would make everyone out of LoS lose their charge bonus.
Disorganized charge is handled per unit, not per model. If at least one model has line of sight, nothing changes.
>>47937953
There are no nerfs in there. Charging through difficult terrain gives I-2 instead of I1, everything else is stuff that flat out wasn't possible before.
Can you really not understand how insanely good charging out of Deep Strike after Running is? Or Consolidating into combat?
>>47938004
Eh, fair enough. Just seems like something that would get brought specifically to deny someone a charge anyway.
Effectively a 10% discount on FW now.
>>47937346
>blood angels get feel no pain and it will not die for a turn
Any sauce on this? I was thinking of fielding the formation in my next game.
>>47937346
>blood angels get feel no pain and it will not die
So it allows them to be iron hands for a turn?
>>47937954
That would necessitate adding some sort of Multi-tracker equipment and widespread remodeling.
>>47937923
I literally outlined why the change made sense for non-terminators. Either actually read my posts or don't bother responding.
Only Grey Knights are really negatively hurt by the change, but they could either get their own Angelus Boltguns analogue or have Hammerhand grant Relentless.
Salvo is a fantastic weapon type, and we need to see more of the high rate of fire Heavy Weapons transitioned to it.
>>47938043
Already ordered. I've been socking away a few bucks here and there for months for a couple FW pieces, glad I waited now.if you wait a bit longer maybe they'll start taking nuka-cola caps
So uh... for anyone not in America or the UK, how will Brexit being confirmed happening affect our hobby? The sterling's plunged by like 8% already in a matter of a few hours so we're looking at cheaper prices perhaps, but then the trade taxes might counteract that.
I'm scared.
>>47938094
>Sanguinius is so inspiring tanks repair themselves at his mention
>>47936893
How is +T -I catgirl?
>>47937346
Farseers givs twl to the fire prism only.
>>47938117
All you need to know isIT'S HAPPENING.
>>47938113
I'd like to order but I'm a nutter who doesn't like paying for anything online and none of my FLGS will order FW for me.
>>47938119
>maybe sempai will notice me
>>47938117
Well if Britain plans on benefiting from all of the good trade deals that are currently in place for EU members then it will have to agree to pretty much everything they were all ready agreeing to.
If they don't agree to the terms they will likely lose most current trade agreements which would fuck their economy.
>>47938139
I tried that too anon, my FLGS's owner is a bro tier Rogue Trader grognard, but even he can't get Forge World to plz gib. Such is life. I think it's probably just an inability to move product with most FW stuff, though there's probably some bullshit corporate component, or maybe they just can't swing wholesale prices from FW's warehouse.
>>47938146
So basically, prices will go down but the tax to buy anything across borders will become skyhigh in an effort to chastise the UK?
This does mean that you can go to the UK for cheaper since your money will go farther (god knows the pound was very strong just yesterday..), but moving to the UK will now be quite prohibitive I think. Coming from another EU country, now I'll have to jump through hoops.
>>47938163
Fortunately FW is going to have their stuff sold in GW stores soon, so maybe your LGS will be allowed to as well!
>>47938163
Ah well, c'est la vie.
The store I go to to the most doesn't have discounts for new customers, but I go there so often to buy stuff that they've started giving me the employee discount on in-store purchases and orders.
It's nice.
>>47938170
Pretty much I expect the biggest change to be between EU nations meanwhile countries outside the EU will likely only see the difference in the strength of the BPS.
>>47938163
Yes, there is no wholesale forgeworld.
So, either he's going to make you pay more than retail or he's going to order it for you and make nothing.
>>47938174
>>47938187
Oh man, if I could rock on down to the GW and nab up FW Mechanicum with local taxes and no currency conversion I'd take back a quarter of the terrible things I've said about their business model. Even better if they sell to grognardbro and he hooks me up with the LGS discount.
Are there any good 3rd party Ork Weirdboyz?
I'm not a fan of the original sculpt, and it's out of stock on top of it.
I'm currently using Goff Rockers to fill my Weirdboy needs, but I'd like something that fits the aesthetic better.
>>47935044
This.
>>47936313
£ DROP MOAR PLZ!
Seriously, if it drops more FW will soon become cheaper than GW and I can get the Devastation force for under 1 grand.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Legion-Devastation-Force
>>47935044
FLGS owner runs them through a cheap coffee grinder and uses them as for rubble in terrain building and basing.
Personally I've used them for planks and beams when building structures.
>>47938117
>how will Brexit being confirmed happening affect our hobby?
GW will cost more
FW will cost less
>>47938542
W-Why?
>>47938560
GW is a company that has investment in various nations, and now has to deal with with the fact that their main coin will get pretty much worthless. Also will have a new layer of bureaucracy that didn't have before.
What happen is that foreign investment (shops, stocks, warehouse, personnel, etc) became that much more expensive.
They do acquire a good amount of foreign money which can counter that situation, but UK and EU are still their main market.
Meanwhile, FW, which is a subcompany of GW (and so, have his own balance) have almost all of his investment in UK. They produce in china, but still, the majority of their expenses are in UK.
They trade in pounds and require pounds. From our point of view, it's just a coin we can acquire cheaply.
>>47938646
Interesting. I didn't know they produce in china. I thought FW was essentially owned by GW 100% anyway.
>>47937587
>Trukk
>mek gun kitbash
Why not just buy from modelsandminis.com? etter models, cheeper prices (especially with all those coupons he regularly gives out)
>>47937560
here's some words of wisdom.
you can kitbash tankbustas from the boyz kit.
You can make more lootas/burnas using boy torso, heads and legs and the loota/burna kit. All Hq's can be kitbashed with bits from the loota/burna kit (Painboy head being a burna head, the mek head being a big mek one) and a nob body, with some kustomizations. I have a painboss that has a burna head painted white, a cross painted onto a boss pole, a circular saw arm and a spear gun arm with nurgle's rot to represent 'hurty juice
So basically, wait some time for the GBP to be at its possible lowest and then buy shit before GW pricehike to oblivion to counteract? Hoe long would one ideally wait?
I might buy myself a box of Vargheists cause there's no way in hell am I buying any more models if they get even more expensive at this rate. And Brexit's going to shoot up the price much higher than any yearly price hike ever did, I believe.
>>47938697
Orks in general are kitbash EZ-mode. Just get as many bodies as you can and do some spring cleaning around the house. Keep every piece of junk you see from the smallest to the biggest and voila. GUBBINZ.
>>47938728
Biggest problem I run into with kitbashing Orks is lack of legs.
Torsos are cheap as hell to get. Like 10 for $3 on ebay. Legs end up being >$2 each. At that price just getting a box of boys at MSRP is cheaper.
I think I'm going to learn how to recast. Just for legs and bodies.
>>47938685
>I thought FW was essentially owned by GW 100% anyway.
It is.
But as a subcompany they have their own staff, their own revenue, their own managment, etc.
The main group is called Games Workshop Group PLC, which controls various subsidiary, which may be more or less active and independent (like Forge World Black Library) or dormant (like Citadel Miniatures).
There is then, of course, Games Workshop Limited, which is the main one, and various other Games Workshop (Retailers).
It's a bit of a mess.
>>47938111
>That would necessitate adding some sort of Multi-tracker equipment and widespread remodeling.
Okay, how's this?
>Terminator Protocols: This model may fire its Storm Bolter twice in each Shooting Phase
It buffs the model you want it to, doesn't have any unforeseen consequences, is compatible with existing Terminator models without modification, and is similar to an existing rule (Devastator Protocols) but with its own distinct flavor. What's not to like?
Also, if anything is getting Salvo it should be Heavy Bolters, not Storm Bolters.
Hey, does someone have some scratch building templates? preferbly for ork stuff, but I'm good with anything.
So I'm putting together a Blitz Brigade for Orks.
Is a red paint job on the Battlewagons worth it? Or is it a waste of points?
>>47938111
I've read your posts and I think they suck, they don't address the terminator issue of S4 AP5 sucks on Elite infantry.
They need bigger guns not more of what they already have.
>>47937076
Share forge world story PLZ.
Need Mechanicum.
Is there a scanned copy of the 7e rulebook? I tried fooling with the ebook version but it's just such a headache to use.
>>47939021
Maybe try reading the OP
>>47939024
Maybe try reading my post, unless there is a link to a scanned copy in there that I missed. The rules database has a pdf made out of an ebook, not a scan.
>>47938808
+1
I am an auditor by trade, and fuck companies doing this shit. At least GW does it in a *somewhat* sensible way. Seriously, some companies are straight up retarded, and have a conpany for the employees, who are all working on production for another company, whose products are being sold by a third company, by sales personel working for a fourth conpany.
GWs structure at least have a semblance of reason to it.
>>47938989
Make them S5 to match burst cannons from the Tau empire, and give them twinlinked again.
4 S5 AP5 shots that hit on 3s with rerolls is pretty good. Weight of fire at a decent strength is enough to threaten pretty much anything but 2+ saves. I am a Tau player, and I love my dual burst cannons, because a squad of 5 vomit out 40 S5 AP5 shots, so even hitting on 4s is fine, because I will still cause a fuckton of wounds on most things, even terminators doesn't like making 15 saves. Giving something similar to terminators on top of their powerful melee would make them good allrounders that are both dangerous before they hit CC, and will absolutely destroy most things once they do hit CC.
If we don't want to chamge the rules for a storm bolter, incoporate it in the terminator protocols idea, and say they threat them as twinlinked with +1 S and can doubletap them. Or better yet, let them resolve two shooting attacks, so they can fire at two different units each turn.
Were the prices for the Stormcloud Attack flier bundles ever revealed?
Man, still no leak on the DEldar SC formation rules?
>>47939152
>4 S5 AP5 shots
Might as well just give them a Heavy Bolter. No need to dick with special rules and modifying weapons.
>>47939163
It's leaked, you just have to work to find it.
>>47939163
Have you tried reading the thread? It gives Preferred Enemy against one unit per turn.
>>47939152
You see I disagree with with the idea of increasing their volume of fire. Tactical Terminators need to have options, they need to be able to pop a rhino and get the charge off on the guys inside.
Terminators really need some ranged AV imo. The problem is Centurions have usurped this role in a very bad way.
Sorry about saying your posts sucked. WTF IS WITH THE CAPTCHA TODAY.
>>47939204
Well they do get the cyclone.
>>47939204
Well, giving them 2 shooting phases at a lot of S5 shots could well do this. A lot of transports are only AV11, and especially on the rear or side armour, so S5 is enough to threaten them a whole lot. This means they can pop the vehicle, shoot the people disembarking, and charge them.
We don't need them to destroy landraiders before they even charge them.
>>47931836
We tried something fun with terminators yesterday. We have been toying with ways to make them better, and this seems to be the most popular option.
Remove the invul. Instead, a unit of terminators have a power field that protects them. For each terminator in the unit, they have 1 AV10 shield. A hit or glance removes one shield with no further effects.
This was actually really balanced. It made them fairly durable against single shot guns or small arm fire, but without making them ridiculously unkillable.
>>47938968
Also, what's the best loadout for the Battlewagons in the Blitz Brigade?
>>47939265
You and your opponents are garbage at the game then. Three bolter marines negates their invuln and then just shoot them with plasma melta or grav and they drop instantly.
>>47939295
Nonono, 1 shield PER Termie. So 5 total.
Still seems weak unless all shields came up automatically at the end of each turn. Also do blast weapons count as 1 hit?
>>47939310
Bolters are Rapid Fire. Even a single high shot weapon like an Assault Cannon would drop the shields. This is a huge nerf to Cataphractii as well.
>tfw asleep and missed the GBP going down
>it will only go up from now on
i just wanted the kriegs.
>>47939310
>Also do blast weapons count as 1 hit
Yes.
>>47939335
We havent touched the new forgeworld port, but AV10 means you need 6s to glance with bolters, and you still only have a 66% chance of even hitting in the first place. That is not easy to burn through.
They so not recharge, but when teleporting in, they usually only need to survive 1 shooting phase to do their work.
>>47939356
If Void Shields can be AV12, the terminator ones should be too. Especially considering that they don't regenerate and Terminators will usually be shot at with high S stuff or sitting safe inside an AV14 transport. Small arms fire is not the Terminator's only weakness, especially not in the current metagame where people are spamming strong weapons and not very many hordes.
>>47939356
ideally the invuln would not be able to be stripped by S4 or S5 basic weaponry at all. if the opponent shoots at them in any order of small arms and high S the terminators die. you can make two invulns in a row you cannot survive two in a row if shield is down
>>47939373
of course the small arms would go against their 2+ instead though. like have the shield only work against AP2 and Ap1
>>47939364
5 AV12 shields would make them nigh unkillable for most factions. Again, you generally only get one shooting phase against these guys in the first place, so regenerating or not, if you canno remove them in one turn, they WILL hit CC.
>>47939383
Only if your list has no way to deal with Deep Strike, which means you weren't prepared. You can deny their DS or pod in many ways, including simply spacing your guys out. Literally nobody is playing foot Terminators teleporting in for a reason. And if they're in a LR this discussion doesn't apply anyway.
Should I try converting up an old rogue trader style dreadnought, and if so, how should I go about it?
>>47939392
wiv lotza dakka, ya grot
>>47939267
Rams on all.
Token rokkit.
I like ramps with melee passengers, killkannons on either sort if there's room in the budget.
>>47939348
It's worth $1.38 currently, it was $1.47
On a purchase of 100 pounds worth of stuff you'll only save $10 from what you would have spent.
It will probably keep plummeting.
>>47939453
Would a kannon be better than a rokkit? Only 5 more points and you get to choose shell types.
Doesn't a Killkannon also completely defeat the point of loading up a bunch of boyz/nobz since it drops the capacity.
>>47939474
Depends on the cargo.
Bitz brigade is so big youd have to haul 100 boys to use all the capacity, so it meskes well with 3 MANs and a warboss, or a Bullyboyz formation.
Orks dont really need light anti infantry firepower, so gor me the kannon would just be for looks.
>>47935886
If you don't finish school, saddled with student loan debt that you spent on army men, you are the world's biggest retard.
>>47936732
are you at least paying some rent to your parents?
>>47939461
I think it will be the opposite
Just got a Waylandgames email in caps saying YOUR HOBBY JUST GOT CHEAPER, literally urging me to buy as much shit as possible before the GBP recovers, lel.
>>47939152
Storm Bolters fire the exact same ammunition as regular Bolters. It wouldn't make sense to bump them up to S5, and there's no reason to infringe on the Tau.
>>47938989
>I think they suck
Awesome counter-argument. I can see that wasting time trying to convince you is pointless.
It's silly to expect terminators to be some sort of uber-unit that can just waste everything in there path without support from the rest of the army. Even if you give them a second heavy weapon, you still end up with the same issue that Terminators and Tacticals already face; the majority of the squad functioning as glorified cheerleaders for the one/two guy(s) allowed to take a different weapon.
Would a 250~500pt tournament restricted to the Start Collecting! boxes be a fun idea? Should it be teams or 4-way to spice things up?
How hard would it be to start a good looking Black Templars army if I have no significant experience painting models so far?
>>47940284
>CSM would sucks
>Orks wouldn't even be an option
Basically like always. So yes, it could work.
>>47940284
Would be pretty easy to set up as a simple kill the enemy matches
>tfw you make your 29th Reanimation Protocols save in a row and your opponent may or may not have a mental breakdown
>>47940331
>People not expecting to have a mental breakdown playing against Necrons
That is the first mistake
>>47940331
Sometimes I feel bad for rolling out the decurion, but then I remember I usually play a skitarii player who likes to buff his ballistics skills so he hits on 2s with squads that put out 36+ shots which do extra wounds on 6s.
>>47940331
>demolisher cannon in to my summoned daemon squad
>6 wounds
>roll quadtruple 6 and two 5s for my saves
>>47940296
Please don't hurt my dreams like that.
>>47940300
Awrite. Suggested points level?
>>47940290
anyone?
>>47940388
> Suggested points level?
assuming that each player has 1 collecting box, load up every boxes formation in battlescribe and find the one with hte lowest points total, then use that one?
>>47940404
Your coffee is far more useful than mine, anon. Thank you.
>>47940440
thats because im a britbonger, its not morning for me :D
>>47940440
I'd add ~50-100 points to let people customize their stuff.
Letting people build any variants that they get the pieces for would also give some of the armies some more options (like CSM).
You'd also have to make up your own formations for Khorne and Nurgle.At that point, why not make Start Collecting formations for every army? Hell, why not just make a point limit and restrict people to 1 HQ, 1 Troop, and one extra unit. Maybe even get meta with it and give them an army MSRP limit as well.
>>47940449
Witchcraft. Copy that. ;D
>>47940440
>>47940449
>Not drinking Tea
Fags
>>47940331
>my CSM vs Cents in Landraiders + some Devs and Knights
>first shot of the game, I fire tac squad lascannon at a Landraider; hit... pen...explodes!
>lol ouch bro
>a few units later: my Land Raider is shooting at your other LR... hit... pen.. explodes!
>motherofthefalseemperor
He was cool about and just laughed. The 6 assault Cents standing there in his deployment zone didnt think it was very funny though.
>>47940557
I agree.
t. Sлaв
>>47940386
>Double 6 on shokk attack guys
>Hit 39/45 shots with 15 lootas and wipe a characterblob
>forge world posts a teaser vid about a FW model available tomorrow at Games Workshops
>don't actually show what the model is
o-okay...
>>47938366
Just use the AoS savage ork weirdnob or any old fantasy shaman, they are all perfect.
>>47940587
>implying GW should have to show your filthy peasent eyes the product before you give them money
Entitled faggots like you make us all look bad. I for one am already camping outside my local GW.Oh wait, my local GW closed because EVERYTHING IS OKAY AND WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GET BETTER, PRAISE BE UNTO ROWNTREE!
>>47940290
good looking is relative. The first few models you will likely screw up, and white is really hard to paint.
I suggest you start small, take care of your brushes and watch the GW videos where they explain the basics.
>>47940213
>and there's no reason to infringe on the Tau.
Tau don't hold any special copyright on S5 AP5.
I play Tau, and I literally wouldn't give two tiny shits about it.
Hell, let terminators pick and choose they weapons however they want like Crisis suits. Would probably insta-fix them too.
>>47939255
kek
>>47940760
How do you paint white?
>>47939001
I'll try my best, Anon.
>>47940922
by washing your brush every single stroke and applying ten coats of REALLY thin paint instead of 2-3 coats of slightly thin paint
if you get so much as a hair or bit of dry paint in the white areas, worst case you have to strip the entire area and start again
Is it time to buy some forgeworld now that the gbp is felt?
>>47940937
Holy shit
>>47940922
>>47940937
Use a grey-white like ulthuan grey instead of actual white is better, its like 3-4 coats on black instead
>>47940944
its not hard to achieve, its just very long winded because of the amount of layers having to dry before you do the next one
>>47940557
>>47940575
Caffeinated Amerifat, here. I also eat steak, fuck Latin women and play Salamanders.
>>47940984
Show us your Sallies.
>>47940213
>and there's no reason to infringe on the
Tau
I wish this was bait, but it's clear you really think this way.
>>47940951
>>47940956
I'll try out both of those if I start a BT army.
Which I'm still really nervous about. The upgrade kit makes it a pretty big investment just to try if I can do it.
>>47940922
You have to paint up towards white.
>>47940984
Caffeinated Amerifit here, I too eat steak, have sex excusively with a blonde woman, and play CSM, Daemons, Blood Angels, DKoK, Scions, and Knights.
>>47941074
Looking at the pics and the colors used for each step, I have doubts about the accuracy/credibility of some of those steps. Could just be the lighting, but I dont see Screaming Skull at all. And if you're shading with nuln oil, stepping up with greys would be better than a dirty white like screaming skull.
>>47940842
>Hell, let terminators pick and choose they weapons however they want like Crisis suits. Would probably insta-fix them too.
I would rather make Storm Bolters a good weapon and a viable option for Sergeants than just write them off entirely and necessitate widespread remodeling.
The Tau thing is more of a tertiary concern.
>>47941064
And I wish shitposters would fuck off, but, alas, here we are.
>inb4 you claim your post which adds nothing to the discussion but buzzwords isn't a shitpost
>>47940473
Reason why I settled on the SC! box is I was aiming to get some new players in and off the fence, and mostly give oldfags a reason to kick off a new army (or just a fresh project).
Way I see it, getting a full squad of Troops means one large or two half squads, plus HQ, light vehicle, etc.
Now that the pound is down, should I get Remoras, Tetras or something else?
>>47941030
I'm at work all day. Hopefully when I get home. :(
>>47941097
>fellow whiskey drinker to boot
>>47941158
>And I wish shitposters would fuck off, but, alas, here we are.
>>inb4 you claim your post which adds nothing to the discussion but buzzwords isn't a shitpost
Theres no buzzword in my brief, single statement reply.
My contribution was spotlighting how ridiculous you are for claiming strength 5 shooting on a Terminator 'infringes' on Tau territory.
Im guessing you are the prolific Tau shitposter that spams nearly every general. Your combative replies, know-it-all attitude, and glaring stupidity have become easily recognizable. Feel free to do us all a favor and kill yourself.
>>47941222
>not getting 2 mantas
Looks like someone doesn't really want their money's worth
>>47941233
Damn right
/brofist
>>47940922
honestly, your best bet is white spray-on stuff
>>47941222
The £ isnt really down much though. I priced a FW order this morning and its pretty much the same as it always was. £100 order is gonna be $150 instead of $160. Oh boy
>>47941072
If you start and try out buy this 3 marines snapfit. They do not have all the BT blink, but they are cheap enough for try-and learn minis.
GW stores usually use these for introductory paint lessons. Which might be a good idea, anyway.
>>47940922
Airbrush is the best way.
You can also build up to it, but that takes 10x longer and often wont end up as clean.
>>47941222
remora's are really nice little things and work almost anywhere thanks to shrouded and being only 90pts
tetras are a gamble, points wise they are identical to pathfinders when getting markerlights, but they lack any weaponry, cant take the good rifle upgrades and are paper thin
>>47931779
Have any of you ever visited a GW you've never been to before and pretend you don't know what warhammer is?
I did once, and kept comparing 40k to Starcraft. The guy at the shop was patient but was obviously getting flustered by the comparisons, and reminded me more than once that 40k predated SC. Eventually I walked out with a white dwarf but they really wanted me to buy a starter box.
>>47941341
that's harsh but hilarious anon
>>47941241
>bait
>not a buzzword
Given that the anon outright stated he was copying Burst Cannons and then exacerbated it by saying Terminators should be more like Crises Suits, there's nothing ridiculous about my statement. I hope you can see the irony of accusing me of combative posts given your own pointless contributions to the conversation.
Reducing that I'm "the prolific Tau shitposters" is pretty ridiculous on the other hand. Even if I were someone that frequently shitposted about Tau, the idea that there is only one person shitposting about Tau in a thread that routinely hits several score unique posters per thread for multiple threads a day is ludicrous.
I've got nothing better to do at the moment, so does anyone want me to talk about the forge world I said I was doing writefaggotry about?
>>47941341
that would require me to not spill my spaghetti every time I walk into something resembling a LGS
should you take the combi-melta on a rhino, or is 2 meltaguns and a combi-melta in a minimal 5 man plague marine squad good enough?
>>47941386
always take a combi weapon on a rhino
>>47941386
If you have a lot of armor and the spare points, go for it. If you only have a couple Rhinos, don't bother.
>>47941379
sure why not, spill the beans
>>47941307
>MARINES ESPACIALES
>>47941386
I would buy the combi melta on the rhino, but its more optional on the champion as only two can fire out of a rhino.
>>47941373
Yep, you're definitely that guy.
And bait isnt a buzzword, its been around for a long time.
>>47941307
>>47941413
>SPACE MARINES written on the box 3 times as if it can't be understood by the reader unless the specific instance of the phrase was intended for his/her language
>>47941489
technically the moonrunes also spell out SPESS MEHREENS
Does the Emperor's Champion usually make its points back?
What do you guys think of Grimaldus? His buff bubble seems pretty good.
>>47941510
yeah but I was specifically referring to the fact that it says SPACE MARINES three times with exactly the same letters. maybe they did that because some people expect their language to be in a certain position in a list of languages?
>>47941307
thanks for the tip anon!
>>47941241
Your post was literally nothing other than an accusation of bait. It was a textbook shitpost and worthless by every criteria.
>>47941573
I suppose it'd look bad if the amount of languages on the box fluctuates every release between 2-6
still pretty funny
>>47931836
Hopefully in the right thread, I can't find a horus heresy one which I usually ask in.
I am quite new and am wondering where one would find the exact rules for what things like "Machine spirit" do.
I'm trying to build an IF list, and some of the upgrades aren't in my 40k book or the 30k FW book I have.
Any ideas?
>>47941629
Battle rulebook
>>47941598
Whatever you have to tell yourself, retard.
>>47941650
So that is different from the "The Rules" rulebook?
It has a lot of terms in it, but no machine spirit
>>47941408
Alright then.
Quid Fornax is a major forge world based in the Duratus Sector, and located in the southern portion of Segmentum Solar. It is an ice world, but is also classified as a war world due to the Feral Ork population, the thinking machines left over from the Age of Strife and the Necrons that haunt the planet. The latter two rarely bother the inhabitants of the planet unless they are thawed out from their frozen prisons, but they are still watched over carefully. The locals of the planet are entrusted to take care of the Ork population to unburden the psuedo-Skitarii that lives in city fortresses that are spread out across the planet and the real Skitarii so that they may guard over entrances to the Necron tombs and Men of Iron factories. The largest of these city fortresses guard the base of the tech priests.
The forge world's early history is shrouded in myths and legends, but there are a few accepted facts even if they aren't fully believable. The official story is that the exploratory fleet that carried the founders of Quid Fornax were carried back in time by the fickle tides of the Warp to Sector Duratus during the Dark Age of Technology just two Terran years before the Age of Strife happened. The story goes that the founders tried to warn the people of sector about the horrors of the future: alien "allies" and machines turning on humanity, monsters from the Warp and mutants spilling humanity's blood, but the people of the past refused to believe the technophiles from the future and branded them as lunatics. They were soon to regret not paying heed to the "lunatics" after those two years had passed, but the tech priests did not even feel the need to say "I told you so". There was only gathering supplies and building a base to do.
Con.
>>47941725
If Power of the Machine Spirit isnt in the brb, then its in the Astartes codex.
>>47941777
Not trying to be pedantic, I really don't know. When you say "Power of the Machine Spirit" is it the same as "Machine Spirit"?
I am looking at a vindicator and the rulebook says it may take "Machine Spirit" for 25 additional points.
>>47941629
Try the program battlescribe.It exists to click lists together, but many rules are in there.
Otherwise the codex should have a rules section. Be mindful of the names of the rules, machine spirit, for example is called 'power of the machine spirit' usually.
Oh, HH. So a forgeworld book. Unfortunatly forgeworld is rather notorious for half-assing with rules.
>>47941672
Way to prove a point.
>>47941838
Way to prove a point.
>>47941762
>Men of Iron factories
wut, are these even a thing at any point in known history? I thought men of iron were some ancient myth tier shit that took place during the skynet debacle and don't exist anymore
>>47941829
Ahh I see. I was using battlescribe, and in the highlight it says it confers the "Power of the Machine Spirit" which *is* in my rulebook.
Damn HH book specifically says "Machine Spirit"
>>47941762
The threats of the Age of Strife that ravaged the sector took multiple forms. As myriad alien races, daemons, other psychic predators, mutants, petty despots, the Men of Iron, and multiple factions of thinking machines that viewed themselves as the true rulers of the sector wagged war countless lives were cut short, worlds burned, and humanity's technological and scientific knowledge was lost. The priests from Mars took control over the human element within the sector after establishing the foundries of Quid Fornax, but their rule was inefficient due to the first Fabricator General of Quid Fornax Leto Duratus. Leto was too cowardly to deal with the horrors of the Age of Strife, and too timid to perform the necessary evils that were needed to keep humanity afloat during the turbulent times. He used bionics and DAoT life extensions to keep his guilt ridden life from expiring with a healthy dose of cowardice for good measure. After the death of his best friend Leto's sanity finally snapped and only then did he decide to man up and be a monster for the sector's sake. Con.
>>47941879
There was one in Guant's Ghosts.
>UK exchange rate for USD plummets
And now to wait a day or two. Maybe I can finally buy Imperial Armour 13 without spending $85 shipped. :^)
NOOOOO!
IT'S MARKED AT LAST CHANCE! REEEEEE!
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Legion-Devastation-Force
>>47942033
Oh no, you would have to go through the trouble of choosing each item individually... drat...
I'm trying to figure out what to put on my vindicator as a pindle weapon. What is a good anti armor or anti air weapon?
My choices are combi weapon, havoc launcher, heavy bolter, heavy flamer, or twin-linked bolter
>>47942194
True, but it does have approx. $30 in savings, and with the £'s value dropping it's about worth $1100 instead of the £1300 it was a couple days ago.
>>47931779
Is this a more sophisticated form of the hidden rebel general?
>>47942202
The cheapest one.
The spare weapons only exist to make weapon destroyed results less likely to take the cannon.
So /tg/, do you play Warhammer with your wife's son?
>>47942286
>>>/v/
Also girls scare me
>>47942247
>The spare weapons only exist to make weapon destroyed results less likely to take the cannon.
What does that mean? You get to choose what weapon gets destroyed if your vehicle takes damage?
>>47942361
no, its random based on a roll, more weapons means less chance you roll on the good weapons getting destroyed
>>47936313
Hey that's great.
There's...really nothing I particularly want
If the Imperium has a problem with the utilization of Xenos technology, then why exactly were they using obviously alien Black Stone Fortresses as Naval installations?
And did they at any point notice that those things are built in the shape of the symbol of the Ruinous Power?
>>47936313
How's now compared to euro?
>>47942361
You roll.
If the vehicle only has one weapon that weapon has a 100% to be destroyed, effectively becoming an overpriced Rhino.
But if the vehicle only has one weapon that weapon has a 50% to be destroyed. Definitely worth the 5-10pts paid.
>>47936313
>Oh boy corsair army time!
>Out of stock
