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>>47832424
Heck yeah! How do you guys like my newly converted Amon ad Raza?
Any source on what was mentioned last thread about Goreshade becoming the champion of Scyrah? That's probably the only new fluff advancement I'm interested in at this point
On another note, Man o War Shocktroops are fucking bullshit when they're buffed. I'm yet to try it, but I'm planning to use pDenny in a pop and drop list just to take those fuckers out
>>47832470
You could also try a chain weapon on them. Colossal or Inflictor, not sure if there's anything else.
>>47832497
Still doesn't get past all their arm buffs, which are half the problem. The list I have can get them to -9Arm and -4Def on feat turn though so should hopefully work when I throw my Banes at them (they aren't as shit as everyone says)
>>47832545
Wow that.. kinda seems like overkill. The best they can get to is 23 with Iron Flesh, or the same with Unyielding. A single Bane Warrior kills one on average dice with those mods.
top fucking kek
"First revision to War Room hit the App Stores today.
If you are on iOS you will see a 70% reduction in install size. (1.4 GB to 400 MB)"
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?253880-OFFICIAL-Insider-06-17-2016-Will-Shick-War-Room&p=3573782&viewfull=1#post3573782
So are the PGs still going ballistic at PP? what was the deal with that anyway, i never heard the full story beyond the shitty keynote, europe, and complaints about the worst faction skorne
so are MoW shocktoopers any good? every time i see them played they barely leave deployment because they're so fucking slow and players insist on marching them in shield wall every single turn
they seem pretty shit for their cost
>>47832746
If you have first turn they run 10" up the table with the kovnik, second turn they shield wall 6 putting them ontop of the objective ready to score pr contest and making them a problem that has to be dealt with. Mano war aren't so great at killing stuff like pikeman are, but they are incredibly hard to remove. Thanks to desperate pace they are playable with every caster.
Kaelyssa vs Epic Caine, who has the advantage?
my friend loves Kae, and i love epic caine and i just know i'll be playing this match up eventually and they both seem really good at killing each other so i'm uncertain as to how to play it. (i'm a fairly new player)
>>47832947
epic caine. he clears out entire armies himself
>>47832435
Quite nice actually, good job anon.
>>47832730
People stayed up all night to watch a one minute prerecorded ad. They feel trolled.
It's impossible to actually buy warmachine in europe (apart from old stocks and used models). Only way to get new stuff is to import it yourself. When you factor in shipping and import charges this comes up 2x-3x more than the same product costs in the US. You can't get battle boxes at all.
Some wise guy told a beginner not to buy Skorne because it's unplayable. It is.
Are the stats for Blighted Nyss Warlord known? It lists him on conflict chamber, but googling it just gives me random bullshit like warlords of draenor crap.
>>47834029
give me a couple minutes and I'll upload his card if no one else has
How do I play the new devil dogs as a menoth player?
At least the old ones had a reasonable place in my pKreoss list. While auto knockdown is nice, I feel they don't synergize well with what menoth has to offer
>>47833290
So there actually was a lot of information in the keynote on theme forces and the direction of the game's releases, but people were expecting a large information dump on the new faction and there just wasn't one.
It was still short and super awkward, though.
>>47834177
there wasn't info other than COMING THIS DECEMBER! IN 24 INDIVIDUAL BOOKS THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY!
Are there any Ret casters that don't work particularly well with Battle Mages and an Artificer? I fucking love these guy's designs.
>>47834195
>THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY!
Unless if theme forces have drastically changed, I'd rather have rhupert or eryiss tbqh
>>47834029
here you go
>>47834374
better at combat than rhyas
>>47832424
>OP isn't a skreeonk image
Fucking dropped.
>>47834960
>skreeonk to menoth edition
Hey ConflictChamber Anon if you're about any chance of adding in more point values? War Room currently has 0, 10, 15, 25, 35, 50, 65, 75, 100, 125, 150 and 200, so you're missing 15, 35, 65 and 150.
>>47835142
you can also set custom point values in war room if you click on the number and not the + or - and type whatever you like
>>47835142
It will be in soon, but I'm not sure how much time I'll have to work on it this weekend.
>>47834374
Is it just me or is he super good? Is legion infantry strong now?
reminder that this scenario exists
>>47836532
that's a-okay with me. just let me pop kara sloan into my pairing...
So im thinking of restarting warmahordes by ditching my old armies for a shiny new Merc one.
This is my shopping list.
Any recomendations?
Drake MacBain [+30]
Captain Damiano [+28]
Magnus the Traitor [+30]
Magnus the Warlord [+28]
Galleon [39]
Mangler [15]
Nomad [11]
Nomad [11]
Rocinante [18]
Vanguard [11]
Renegade [10]
Renegade [10]
Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11]
Steelhead Heavy Cavalry (max) [18]
Steelhead Riflemen (max) [14]
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution [6]
Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4]
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [5]
Ragman [4]
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4]
Stannis Brocker [7]
Sergeant Nicolas Verendrye [4]
Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
>>47836046
yes and Legion infantry was always good/strong. The problem was that legion beast support was so insanely good that infantry was not needed
>>47836532
>what were they fucking thinking
>>47836786
what makes me most mad about the scenario is going to be the classic "0.0000001 inch" disputes
"haha your charge failed, even if my guys look like to be in range, i actually moved them 0.00001 inches less than what I said!"
>>47836532
Linebreaker's either gonna get errata'd in the first month, or TO's are just going to exclude it.
Not that worried about it.
How's this look as a transition between mk2 and Mk3
Thinking of skipping the druids in this list, they just aren't as good as they used to be and I'm not sure if they're worth or not now
>>47836820
that's why pre-measuring exists. debate should not be existent at all. That's not a scenario problem at all.
The real problem with the scenario is that it has the problems of incursion (something that still fucking exists for some inconceivable reason) dialed up to eleven.
>>47836843
I'm an idiot
>>47836845
you know the thing about premeasuring
if they want us to premeasure, why not make all ranges standardized into whole inch or half an inch
>>47836845
Incursion still exists because it's an annoying as shit scenario that actually serves a purpose: punishes armies that can't spread out.
Incursion is the anti brick scenario, and there needs to be one of those.
>>47836887
I don't understand your complaint. Just measure and get the value,
>>47836910
no you dont
you let people tech against bricking
balancing the game with scenarios has always been HORSESHIT
>>47836927
because people fucking cheat
the brave "measure from 2 feet in the air and move your guys quickly in one swoop"
people cheat one extra inch ALL THE FUCKING TIME
>>47836887
Why don't we play on a fucking hex grid instead and solve all these issues.
>>47836934
I mean, I don't think it's a balancing act so much as it is variety.
The different scenarios need to do different things, after all, and the best way to approach variety in a wargame is through list comp.
>>47836934
>>47836910
or god forbid, allow for an army that doesn't need to brick to be good. Skorne and Trolls want to seppuku at incursion.
>>47836949
How does range standardization in whole or 1/2 change that? It's already like that.
I still don't understand the correlation between player behavior and distance value being whole number or not.
>>47836960
Skorne's a lot less bricky with a lot of their new list designs.
It's also worth noting that scenario style casters are a lot less viable now.
>>47837001
But Fionna's still ok, right?
>>47836858
Why not drop the gorax and blackclads for a Feral?
>>47837061
I kinda like the threat extension and free charges for the stalkers, but with stones that's somewhat redundant I guess
>>47837074
How do the wayfarers extend the stalker range?
Also have you heard the news of wrong eye, out lord and savior?
>>47837169
*never mind Im dumb, I thought they just sprayed and teleported away
>>47837169
I still want epic Wrong Eye as a full fledged 'lock.
>tfw two Wrong Eyes in your list because you just can't get enough of the gator
>>47836649
Breddy ok. I'd consider maybe a rover or mule so you have at least two 15 point jacks available for eMags but otherwise solid. Perhaps consider another of steelhead halberdiers, but it's not mandatory.
>>47832435
I'd smash unbelievers with him any time.
Good job, anon.
>>47832424
Just got a Prime Axiom for $80, unpainted and unprimed, only piece missing is the big rock he usually sits on to give the impression that he's floating. I've just finished cleaning all the flash and mold lines, clipping off sprue bits, and filing the metal bits. He's all ready for glue and paint.
He's my first Colossal, and I'd like to do something special. Nothing too big or outlandish, just a little something to set him apart. Anybody got any conversion ideas for me?
Pic isn't mine obviously, just searched "Axiom" on CMON and picked the highest rated one.
>>47836046
We got some tools to support them outside of Kallus with Bethayne and pVayl's tweaks.
I'm a bit worried about delivering them with the amount of gunlines and wider blasts MK3 is promising, but if those 8 heavy jack lists become a thing then Legion infantry has some ways to fuck them over.
>>47837752
I'm not familiar with how sturdy with the model is so this might not be possible, but I think having one of the claws grasping a mangled heavy would be neat, especially if you attach some of the drag cables to it.
>>47834374
>they spelled confidential wrong
lolz
>>47837931
It's French, dipshit.
>SKREEEEEEEEEEEEONK
>>47837959
they spelled in french then
it is even worse
>>47837532
The "Mule" is a Mule/Rover/Nomad kit i plan on magnetising, so awesome.
Any solos or units i've missed and/or are shit?
Im tempted to drop the cutthroats for Assassins or Eliminators
>>47837752
>>47837926
Nothing to worry about in terms of sturdiness, I always pin larger models just to be safe.
>>47838009
has anyone tried any other means than magnets to make replaceable limbs
>>47837995
French provided most of the spoilers.
What Gator warlock makes best use of the Thresher?
>>47838137
blue tack
>>47837959
I can see that simple mistakes rile you up but have you tried not acting like a menopausal woman about them?
Just an idea.
>>47837995
Given how Venethrax and Skarre counter their own abilites as written on the cards, I doubt the average PP proofreader understands either English or French.
>>47838169
Wait, calling someone stupid is something you define as being riled up?
Do you just assume everyone but you must be insane?
>>47838137
there's grabbing 2 pins, but it's not reliable on jacks since the arms on jacks tend to point down,
>>47838169
to be fair, it's a really stupid fucking mistake made worse by smugness.
>>47838180
explain
>>47838193
One doesn't start throwing insults around willy nilly unless they've got a chip on their shoulder.
>>47838278
Holy shit, you think you can psychoanalyze people.
It's fucking adorable.
>>47838312
Noticing that you're pissy about something hardly counts as an attempt at psychoanalysis.
Anon, if you didn't have something eating away at you, you wouldn't even be having this conversation with me.
Tell me, what's got you down?
>>47837992
>>47838278
I usualy never say this but go back to ribbit. They are careful to accomodate thin skined pussies like you
>>47838180
I'm aware of the interraction btw venethrax and eruption of ash, but not anything with skarre
>>47838408
>noticing someone is pissy makes you a thin skinned pussy
mhm
>>47836845
>The real problem with the scenario is that it has the problems of incursion
Isn't it the exact opposite of incursion? A total non-scenario?
>>47838231
Venethrax can't collect souls because his weapon removes models from play (non optional).
Skarre1 can prevent 5 damage from her feat, so she can either buff 5 models for free, or the feat does nothing at all, depending on interpretation.
I'm sure there's more examples in other factions. Wouldn't be surprised to find some inSkorne.
>>47838503
what if all actually working synergy in skorne is just failed proofreading
#twilightzone
>>47836532
I'm kinda dumb, why is this horrible?
>>47838417
There's loads of them in the cards and war room. Most people will just look at rules as intended and make a logical interpretation. It's only after you read it a second time you realize it doesn't make sense at all, or does something unexpected.
IMO they should really get either a lawyer or an IT person to go through the interactions. There is probably a way to get infinite fury or make a bizarre interaction that doesn't even have a name.
>>47838666
Something about it favoring gunlines or some shit.
>>47838684
There is a way to get infinite fury, its called playing eMadrak
>>47838479
Incursion and this share the fundamental root problems for how the game plays out. Yes, the final scores of the games will be different, but the core problems are present.
It's a scenario with no killbox yet contains very little in the center for combat incentives. gun line and skirmishing forces have an overwhelming advantages in these scenarios.
it's also a scenario that contains too many flags. Flags are heavily dependent on army comp for it to matter as a scenario piece. solos and warnouns get a huge buff for scoring purposes while units languish. These two are scenarios that favor army comp way more than play.
>>47838666
It's basically a free win for gunline armies, given how strong the gunline is in the new edition, scenario favoring them on top of them is too much.
New ghetto wip. Whats everyone twerking on?
>>47838766
>It's basically a free win for gunline armies, given how strong the gunline is in the new edition, scenario favoring them on top of them is too much.
Because terrain isn't a thing.
>>47838791
Even terrain won't matter unless it goes full malifaux, and even then melee armies don't like that shit.
Cygnar and Legion have the best method of gunline as it currently stands and they have the best anti shooting mitigation tools available for them. Even against all that the current terrain rule demanding "completely within" means that even with density of terrain and terrain mattering, the melee forces have very few areas to hide behind.
While arguments for forests can be made, you have to remember that even melee armies struggle with forests since they too don't have forest LOS mitigation to do charges.
At the end of the day, guns still are very strong for these bad scenarios.
Played my first game of Mk2.5 today. Makeda1 (me) v Bethayne, 75 points. The Agonizer is fucking nuts, Cetrati are fucking amazing, the Willbreaker giving tough is great, Carnage is still retarded, Quicken is a solid spell, feat is worse than it used to be but can still be used to tie faggots up in melee because so many of Skorne's good units have 2" range. Oh and the Agonizer is FUCKING NUTS. Opponent blocking a charge lane? NO PROBLEM LOL. Cetrati have Shield Wall up? ALRIGHT HAVE ANOTHER 2 ARMOUR. Opponent has left a point free on his beasts so he can transfer? NOT ANYMORE LOL GET ASSASSINATED.
One of my Nihilators killed a solo, 2 Blight Wasps, and 2 Nihilators in a single Berserk. Shit was cash.
>>47838869
Have you actually played them?
>>47838876
>playing mk2.5
Prime is out, and so far the faction decks. nigga its mk3.
>thinking skorne is good
lol
Does anyone even plan on playing 50 points?
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - Rhyas 3:The search for Rhyas 2
Theme: No Theme Selected
49 / 50 Army
Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight - WB: +30
- Succubus - PC: 4
- Nephilim Protector - PC: 0
- Scythean - PC: 0
- Shredder - PC: 2
Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
Blighted Nyss Swordsmen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Blighted Nyss Swordsmen Abbot & Champion - Abbot & Champion: 6
Blighted Ogrun Warspears - Leader & 4 Grunts: 15
- Warspear Chieftain - PC: 5
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And my Kryssa list.
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - Kryssa, Crip of Everblight
Theme: No Theme Selected
50 / 50 Army
Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight - WB: +31
- Scythean - PC: 0
- Nephilim Bolt Thrower - PC: 0
- Raek - PC: 6
Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
Spell Martyr - PC: 1
Blighted Ogrun Warspears - Leader & 4 Grunts: 15
- Warspear Chieftain - PC: 5
Blighted Nyss Swordsmen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Blighted Nyss Swordsmen Abbot & Champion - Abbot & Champion: 6
---
I'm trying to get some mileage out of the infantry I own that isn't strider's.
>>47838876
Hold on, we got a badass over here.
>>47838944
Everything seemed about as good as before if not better. Like, the utility you get from an Agonizer is off the charts now. Giving all enemy models within 8" -2STR is dumb. It's not even enemy beasts or enemy jacks, it's just every single god damn model. And being able to Repulse to clump your opponent's infantry up for a Nihilator to go nuts is just dumb.
Molik Karn felt the same as he always did, the Gladiator was better because it was cheaper, the Krea was better because not only is it cheaper but the bubble preventing blast damage stopped the Blightbringer dropping on my Nihilators.
I was actually kind of impressed with the changes.
>>47839016
Hang on a minute, if animii are considered spells now, does that mean warlocks can channel them through beasts? Like, could Hexeris2 use Repulse but cast it through a titan?
>>47838909
you mean games? yes. Even if you haven't, this isn't the first time PP has done "cross the half way point of the map to win" scenario. It's always been disastrous for everyone involved.
It basically boils down to gunlines just hammering at everything or super blitz like that of Strakhov or E Stryker taking the initiative and never letting up.
PP has made a mistake with this scenario. This will be the new incursion, the scenario that every competent player dreads or will exploit. I guarantee that specific builds will rise just to counter or play into this scenario. We will see the "Krueger 2 into Destruction" level of forgone conclusion in the matchups.
>>47839038
That was always the case.
>>47839073
So like, that's insane then. Turn 1 run my Razor Wurm right up one of your flanks. Now at a given moment's notice I can push your models towards me for charges. And that's while I casually throw Black Spots and Ashes to Ashes on your infantry.
>>47839116
repulse is self. self spells target self, not the arcnode
>>47839116
repulse is target SELF, so that would not work
>>47838782
Putting together Bethayne and a plastic Nephilim Protector and stripping primer from some Warspears.
I got the Warspears used, and whoever did them somehow fucked the priming hard. The gray primer it was coated in came off easy, but there's a second layer of some sort of black primer that's gumming up all of the details and turns almost tacky when I strip it with Pinesol. I've switched to some non-acetone nail polish remover for some heavier duty stripping to see if I can remove the gunk film that remains.
Also the Protector is covered in mold lines and I'm sure I'll be able to get some of them off due to the way the armor is layered.
>>47839016
Except a min krielstone is cheaper, and doesnt debuff the enemy but buffs your models so it also protects from shooting and magic coming from further away. the krielstone is also far far more durable thanks to self sac and tough combo.
The agoniser cant compare to that, and every time i see one of the little guys across the table i either ignore it completely, or if i brought melee jacks i bounce magic bullets into it until it dies.
>>47838782
New Cygnar paint scheme with a lot of airbrushing. However my potato camera doesn't do it justice.
>>47839196
Have you got the Krielstone card?
>>47839196
Big difference is that the Agonizer doesn't need your lock to feed it Fury to work. +2 ARM is better, but the advantages come with a big disadvantage in a faction with Fury issues.
>>47836927
>four (4) interrogation marks
Jesus
>>47839267
enjoy
>>47839517
because filling it on turn 1 is so difficult? ive seen fury 5 troll warlocks manage it just fine. we never had problems managing the agonizer when it needed filling in mk2 either. you just filled it on turn 1 when you had nothing better to do and then it just needed small bits of fury to keep it full or it was dead and didnt need it anymore
>>47839622
Never said it was hard, but feeding it Fury is still worse than having it give you Fury and a Transfer target. Its also not FA1, so you can have larger coverage.
>>47838976
My first game of mk3 was at 50pts, pThags against eCaine. He clumped his gun mages too close and they got fucked by my Ravagore, then after Caine failed his assassination run my Angelius took him out in one shot.
>>47839622
>That Krielstone
Wait am I supposed to actually be impressed by this? It's nothing compared to the Agonizer in terms of support.
>Repulsion
Movement shenanigans.
>Gnawing Pain
Pretty much the same as your Protective Aura
>Maddening
Assassination/Frenzy shenanigans
>Spiritual Afflication
Preventing spellcasting was literally the reason Orin Midwinter was considered an amazing model
Like nigger you think being a point cheaper and being a fury vault beats this much utility? It's nice to know that it doesn't prevent continuous effects anymore. I might start fielding Incindiarii more now.
>>47839778
Most of the krielstone's utility comes from the UA
>>47839841
Well thanks for not showing me the most relevant part of the unit then faggot.
>>47839778
>gnawing pain
Doesn't help against shooting or magic, and this is the fucking year of the gunline. good luck on linebreaker faggot
>Maddening
a big meh
>spiritual affliction
Orin still does it better for cheaper. that bubble is tiny compared to Orin's old control area sized bubble, and orins new vortex is better. thats a small ass bubble that only affects living models casting spells. it stops a few guys like Butcher3, and if you're doing it you aren't doing the -STR
on top of all of this, the model is fucking easy to kill. the agonizer is shit and so is the faction
>>47839850
you asked for the krielstone card, he delivered. Don't be a fucking douche
>>47839910
>WELL ACK-CHUALLY YOU __DID__ JUST ASK FOR THE KRIELSTONE
>>47839778
I really want to like the Agonizer. But 7p for a support model that dies to 2-3 Gunmage shots is hard to justify.
>>47840098
The Bellows Crew still exists you know. And just got a whole lot better in Warmahordes: Premeasured Gunlines Edition.
>>47837752
>>47837752
Bump for ideas
I played a 5-jack Karchev list today and it was amazing.
>>47842532
>Only 5 heaviesgit gud
>>47842984
Honestly, anything more than 5 is excessive. 5 is just the right amount for widowmaker + marksman + road to war combos.
>>47843527
That's exactly what I played.
The only downside was that I was playing against a Legion beast heavy list and he had basically zero single wound infantry.
I did get it to proc from Behemoth killing an archangel in 4 hits under the feat though.
I had my first game of mk 3 and wound up with a few questions, mostly due to how out of practice I was. But still.
Can Assault/Charge be declared when half of a unit is already in melee? Do the assaulting models still get to ignore the in-melee penalty for shooting?
Can a forsaken's blight shroud be intercepted by shield guard?
>>47843703
What was he doing that he let the archangel get caught with premeasuring?
>>47838009
Yeah sounds good, just keep in mind you'll probably want two dedicated nomads for all occasions.
>>47844230
He had to move it forward to shoot Behemoth then forgot to reposition back. Behemoth was fairly far back on the board because it had been shooting. He made a decent attempt at shooting Big B off the board with it (like 16 boxes left).
Either way it was going to eat a feated charge from Behemoth or Ruin (who was a bit further up the board on the flank).
>>47832435
yes you put him on FB, you put him on the forums !
and ye! it is a good conversion !
Now get yo' ass to painting him.
>>47833290
nigga, I was at LnL outpost: there were plenty of battle boxes and card decks.
>>47844800
>there were plenty of battle boxes
Yeah, for Skorne and Trolls.
>>47838151
Yep they even know exactly who did it.
It was a massive fuck up on the part of the distributor though for handing out the cards and rules weeks before release.
>>47836532
linebreaker is here to stay, sorry guise. You knw what they say:
>GIT GUD
>>47844821
No, for all factions.
>>47844866
Not at German Outpost.
>>47844884
I wasn't at German outpost.
Hey btw how did you like the german cards? Your distributor couldn't get them in time so despite having the german distributor logo on the back, they were printed in France (should have put little white flags on them)
>>47845100
Nice work anon! A+
>>47845118
Thanks man! I think the brand came out nice too.
>>47845138
>>47845100
preddy gub !
Since we're posting caster conversions can I post my Extreme Karchev?
Played my first mkiii game today. Went bready gud, dont know why people though starcrossed was acceptable on wrong eye.
Fielded:
Denny3
Skarloc
Nightmare
DJ
Darragh Wraith
Wrong Eye
Ragmang
Nyss
4 soultrappers
Warwitch Siren.
Played Ret, he could not break through starcrossed and beyond death, it was fantastic.
Will probably drop the siren, loc and 1 trapper for the withershadow combine in the future.
Thinking about future modeling projects. Idea I'm currently working on: Warpwolf family, pre-transformation (except for the Pureblood). Momma Stalker, Daddy Feral, and Baby Pureblood. What stuff do you guys think would be important to have in those models beyond the Stalker sword? My biggest concern is making sure which model they are is somewhat clear, though human form is gonna make that tricky.
>>47845473
You could give the feral longer claws and make his fur a bit shaggier.
Really, theres fuck all difference between a feral and pureblood modelling-wise, they just paint the purebloods white.
>>47845685
Well, what makes this tricky is that the Stalker and Feral would be in human form for this. I'm having trouble with details that would be obvious from the perspective of someone standing at the other end of the table.
>>47845800
Well, look at Kromac in his human form. Make the feral bulky and hairy, while the pureblood is more lean and composed.
A moment of silence for our over costed old friend
Do you guys know if I can turn the pureblood in the new starter set into Ghetorix with the upgrade kit? Or are they coming in all 1 piece?
>>47845473
What's the difference lore wise between purebloods and ferals anyways beyond one having a ranged weapon?
>>47846569
Feral warpwolves are people that have taken the warpwolf elixir (often unwillingly). They transform between human and warpwolf states and usually go insane, reverting to a bestial mindset.
Purebloods are the offspring or descendants of those people. They can't turn human, but they're much more mentally stable and have some slightly different abilities.
>>47846569
Ferals are humans they gave the special werewolf formula too and it drove them insane, and they're basically just balls of barely controlled violence.
Purebloods are born of two warpwolves having a baby. They're noted for being extremely intelligent, likely the smartest warbeast in the fluff, and are close to equals than simple beasts.
I also believe Purebloods can't take human form, though it might just be that they really don't like too.
>>47846626
Yep, to add to this:
Ferals are purely animalistic. They have a human form, but are described as being fidgety and uncomfortable in that form. They're savage in combat, and have little reasoning in warpwolf form.
Stalkers are much more cunning, but still mostly animalistic. They can use weapons, and plan ambushes using their higher reasoning skills, but still aren't what you'd call very great at human reasoning.
Purebloods are the offspring of warpwolves, and have no human form. They're considered intelligent and wise, and can even speak in warpwolf form (ferals and stalkers cannot). They're rare, but powerful due to their much more stable form.
Ghetorix falls completely outside of all of this, because he's a Tharn (who have inbuilt shapeshifting powers) who was forced to take the warpwolf elixir (which gives shapeshifting powers) by Morvahna. As a result, he's kind of a warpwolf abomination, because of the way his ability to shapeshift was altered by the elixir.
>>47846250
It comes in the most pieces I've ever seen. I've never put together a normal warpwolf though, so I'm not sure
>>47846719
I thought Kromac forced him to drink the elixer bevause he wouldn't recognize his rule
>>47846882
Nope. From Domination.
>>47846924
Wow that's legit pretty sad
>>47845364
That's pretty extreme.
>>47846924
>>47847143
damn, he's had things pretty ruff
>>47838503
Hakaar is not an ancestral guardian anymore.
He can't make Kovaas or benefit from Zaal1's give souls ability.
Zaal1 had the new improved Inviolable resolve replaced with death pact. Models that are undead don't produce souls.
Here's what I've been working on. Started to get some serious shaky hand syndrome going on today so I stopped. Moldy Ochre is a pretty great color.
>>47846163
Aeye. He was a popular "Not behemoth" option before because of reach. But now he is too expensive by virtue of everthing else getting much better.
>>47846163
Sleep well, sweet prince ;__;
>>47847771
sounds like you just don't like options
#designspace
Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 (+30) points
(Maddox 1) Major Beth Maddox [+30]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
- Firefly [8]
- Stormclad [18]
- Hammersmith [12]
Major Katherine Laddermore [8]
Stormblade Captain [5]
Gobber Tinker [2]
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages [11]
- Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer [4]
- Cyclone [13]
Storm Lances (max) [20]
How's this list?
>>47845364
Really nice looking but the legs are a little skinny for those feet and it looks like he's wearing clown shoes.
>>47848906
the cyclone is a cute trick on the ATGM, but does maddox really need it when she brings snipe herself?
just assuming that its your ARM cracking list because maddox, you expect to face limited infantry, and then the stormlances are fine. RAT 7 assault shot into an eleap and then a mat 7 boosted into an eleap, not to mention impacts tends to shred infantry. also playing the shoot --> reposition game.
that being said im just not that big a fan of the cyclone
>>47834209
Do you mean do work with them? Rahn is basically them the list.
>>47849996
Snipe is going to go on the storm lances, actually. With repo 3 and Laddermore, they can do a really good job at zapping things with rat 7, pow 14 blasts. Pow 16 if the firefly gets near.
Then they scoot back. They'll charge in when it's go time.
The cyclone's there to provide additional firing support, unload at rat 8, potentially rat 10 if enough juicy targets are within 16" of his starting point. Otherwise, covering fire.
>>47844189
>I had my first game of mk 3 and wound up with a few questions, mostly due to how out of practice I was.
I skimmed the brb and am aware of the big changes. I may not be 100% accurate, but I'll try to help.
>Can Assault/Charge be declared when half of a unit is already in melee?
You can always declare a charge regardless of how far away or close you are to the enemy. You need to have movee a model atleast 3" to get the boosted dmg benefit though.
>Do the assaulting models still get to ignore the in-melee penalty for shooting?
With out scouring the mk3 rule book I'd have to say yes.
>Can a forsaken's blight shroud be intercepted by shield guard?
Not sure, is it a ranged attack that targets a model?
Sounds like you might be trying to pull off assaults with models that are already in melee, you can't do that.
>>47844189
Assault is no longer an order, it's a special rule on the card. So it's just a charge now.
You ignore target in melee so long as you're in melee with your target now. If you're not, they get target in melee bonuses.
If the ability is what I think it is, then no. It's not a ranged attack, so you can't pass it off.
>>47847930
Hah. From the thumbnail it looked like he was giving you the finger.
>>47850205
>Do the assaulting models still get to ignore the in-melee penalty for shooting?
>With out scouring the mk3 rule book I'd have to say yes.
not that guy, but assault now only ignores the target in melee penalty if the assaulting model makes it into melee themselves.
Got any tips for a scrub learning eHaley?
>>47851150
Honestly, she's changed so much I don't even know what she does anymore.
Generally though, eHaley's deal is that she dies to a stiff breeze, so you need to be super careful on where she is.
>>47832424
Who is this semen demon?
I asume its not S3verius
>>47851785
it's some random IKRPG character.
kinda crazy, like all Menites are
>>47850087
I meant something more along the line of "are there any casters that wouldn't appreciate a Sphinx + Mittens in their list?"
Shyeel Mages and Dawnguard Sentinels are my favorite designs in Ret by far, so I might as well get them on the table whenever the opportunity presents itself.
>>47845364
Looks good! If there's one thing I'm not keen on, it's the convergence WJ arm he's standing on. You can see the mold lines (like on all convergence toys) and it breaks the harmony of the model.
I suggest a big pile of rocks.
>>47845387
yes you can't have a skarlock and the withershadow combine anymore.
I'm surprised they removed character restrictions, because it would actually be useful now.
>>47846924
It pretty much underlines that a character beast only works for that one warlock...
and then you can take all characters all the time.
>stay coherent like that PP !
>>47851875
you take that back, heathen !
How good is the WM/H community with 'counts as' models? Reason I am asking is because I really like the Caitlin Finch model but have no interest in playing N3mo. I was wondering if it was cool if I used her as Sylys Wyshnalyrr in my games.
>>47852932
Casual games, nobody should give a shit. It's not like people will get that confused. Tournaments you might have an issue since it is obviously a different model. If you converted it maybe.
>>47852975
Oh god that reminds me
>be german
>visit a german tournament
>got the US webstore exclusive Ashlynn because the original one looks like shit
>tournament organizer tells me I can't use her because she isn't a PP model
>literally show them the PP webstore
>they then tell me I can't use her because she never got a official german release
Been the last tournament I ever visited.
>>47853009
The fuck? What a shitty TO.
I don't understand this game but I've been considering getting into it as my second system beside 40k and looking up Cygnar minis for some time. Now that a new edition came out it seems like a good time to jump in so could some gave me their impression of what the game and Cygnar is about ? I'm particulary interested in Laddermore (is she viable?) Do I have to film the mechs ? I would probably go for a lot of shitting infrantry and mounted elite fighters, like those knights of their, is that ok ? How about an Imperial Guard-esque army full of trenchers?
>>47853997
Laddermore is very viable, shes a character stormlance. the stormlances are the elite cavalry of cygnar and they are one of the best in the game, up there with trollblood cav. She gives them the ability to turn their shooting up. They also get to shoot on the charge, so they do a lot of damage
You will not be disappointed with them.
In general cygnar is in a very good place. they have some knight themes, a lot of electricity themes, they also have lots of guns, very good guns.
its a great time to jump into cygnar. they can run a lot of playstyles, and their strength is shooting.
>>47852932
Most of 'em are pretty chill about it. Been to a few larger tournaments in Germany, UK and BeNeLux and never any problems if it's clear what the model is representing. Even the guy with the mecha-Legion was allowed just about everywhere I hear.
A few horror stories here and there online but never in person.
>>47854097
Thanks. What about combining that cavalry with the sniper chick and dual minigun mech ? Oh, and how's Joan of Arc mercenary chick ?
Anybody have the picture of Fyanna2's sculpt that was supposedly leaked?
>>47852426
Yeah, Darragh wraith is in all 3 of my lists
WSC are in 2/3
Deathjack 2/3
Wrong eye and snapjaw are in all of my circle lists
Look at all this design space!
>>47846250
You should be able to but frankly the new ghetorix model is so kick ass you should just get that.
One of the cleanest sculpts I've ever gotten from PP
I find myself thinking: Is countercharge on jacks really all that good?
Just I look at Kharchev and he feels like a Jack Caster that took 1 step forward and 1 step backwards. As apposed to Harchevitch who took 3 steps forward and 1 step back.
Unearthly rage is amazing as a spell, but as a feat....Eh. Like don't get me wrong it isn't bad, but its not exceptional or anything. If it was combined with his old one then thats some real unique stuff. But at the moment he is outclassed by most other Khadors Jack Casters.
And the rest of his spell list is just kinda neat but overall bland.
Road to War I find troubling because it depends on killing an enemy from a range to increase threat range, and the situationally of it means that I could really get screwed over at times. its pretty much worthless against a Beast/ jack heavy army which is ridiculous.
Countercharge I just finding myself lacking utility for outside the obvious utility of maybe charge lane shenanigans. Like do I just hope that I knock out a vital system when counter charging a jack/ Beast? And against infantry its completely worthless.
Whilst Harcheviches reposition means that everything of his moves super fast, power up solves the bombard conundrum, and his feat got much better with free focus, and now that destroyers AOEs are 4 inch thats just a good deal.
Vlad does a similar deal to Harchevich, but his feat provides reliable threat range increases, and his spell works for all attacks including ranged ones.
Anything that good about Kharchev?
>>47856181
Countercharge is great on jacks, you just have to understand how to use it and what it does.
It can work as a threat extender, a positioning tool, and some decent problems for your opponent.
Of course, it takes some finesse in your placement and some awareness in when it's worth doing. Yea, charging up to give your opponent a free charge target is a bad idea, so don't do it. But charging to place another jack in the zone, just to get a jack up another 7 inches, or to engage a ranged model that intended to shoot can have a huge effect on the game.
And when your opponent is smart enough to not fall for those tricks? You've placed a huge amount of pressure on his model placement and control, because he can only get so far forward.
Does anyone have the rules for stormsmith grenadiers?
>>47854329
If by "sniper chick" you mean Kara Sloan, she's a shooting-focused battlegroup caster. She does very little to support infantry models, so she wants units that are very self-sufficient on their own. Storm Lances don't need much support to be great on their own, although Sloan might prefer the meatshield presence of Trenchers instead. It's too early to know what will work best.
The Cyclone is pretty good with her if you are worried about lots of enemy infantry. It makes lots of shots to take advantage of her Guided Fire spell, and she might like the Covering Fire templates.
I played in tournament yesterday and the salt was glorious.
Round 1 I killed Harby by throwing Knights at her until she died.
Round 2 killed Cryx with guns and shot their caster off the table.
Round 3 my opponent kill boxed themselves.
So what did you guys do this weekend?
>>47856871
I got a few games in yesterday, had a really fun one vs pVlad doom reaver spam.
>>47856871
What knights?
>>47857119
Exemplars, rhoven and company. Throw power attacks are awesome
>>47857393
Wait, you -literally- threw them at her?
>>47846163
Its like PP fucked up on the printing of his card and forgot to put shield-guard on him. Thats the only reason I can think of that he costs fucking 19pts. If he had shieldguard, he would truly be a jack of all trades utility piece and actually worth considering.
Anyone got a RAR of all the faction decks? I keep wanting to look at other faction stuff but only snagged Skorne when the Ruskies dropped them.
Who is the biggest dick in Warmachine? There's so many assholes but who stands out as king dick to you?
>>47858394
I don't know about other factions, but Dominar Rasheth is a pretty huge dick for no other reason than he's the exact opposite of what the Skorne strive to be and makes no apologies for it. I mean, why spend your life training to be powerful when you can just be naturally gifted at black magic?
>>47846163
PP eratta his cost or something please, I wanna use my favorite jack this edition.
>>47858394
Vayl sold out her entire race to Everblight for the sake of power.
>>47857999
Its because he was popular back in MKII. His charge attack gained a +2 to accuracy back when everybody had Mat 6.
But now that everybody else is both cheaper and better he is left out in the cold.
>>47856181
I discovered that you had to swap spells constantly on him. Road to war and battle charged gets cycled so you can gain and hold ground. Lack of threat extension is troublesome though I agree. He's remarkably better than his mkii counterpart overall since he can fuel jacks and his survability went up very high.
>>47858394
Vinter. The man just simply cannot stop being a dick.
>>47855775
WTF there is a new ghetorix sculpt? :O
>>47859256
>>47858627
It's an arm 21 reach heavy with bulldoze. Just play the Damn thing
>>47859294
At this point I might not even buy the new battlebox and just wait to buy tanith by herself
>>47859294
His "beard" looks like a face.
>>47859155
[Spoiler]Well, he's stopped now.[/spoiler]
>>47859312
Its not bad, just outclassed by merit of everything else becoming cheaper and better.
>>47856856
Yes her, thanks. Also, is the Prime rulebook from the OP is legit 3rd edition ? I need to start reading the rules and it would be a shame if someone uploaded the second edition book as a joke. Also, what is the usual model count in typical games ?
>>47859526
30 or so models is about what you expect.
Did Mk3 make anything more exciting to use?
>>47859328
Fuck you, now I can't un-see it.
>>47857753
Yeah, why not? I didn't have to threat to get to her and she had used martyrdom a lot so she was running low on health. So I picked up a dude and boosted a throw at her and killed her. It was glorious
>>47859760
Were you still using Mk2 rules? Cause in Mk3, that wouldn't work.
>>47859845
Throws are still in Mk3 though.
>>47859883
In Mk3, larger based models don't suffer collateral damage from throws if the thrown model is a smaller based model. So unless those knights you were chucking were Vengers or Harby got downgraded to a small base, she wouldn't have taken any damage.
>>47859845
This was a Mk2 tournament, so yes, this worked
Does anyone have the mk3 cryx cards?
What's everyone working on?
Just finished airbrushing the colour onto these 2 jacks then gave them a gloss varnish. Hand painting time now.
>>47859294
Mines almost done. I'd post a pic but my phone broke this morning
>>47859388did vinter get died
>>47861216
Yes.Magnus melts his magic armor and kills him
>>47859938
Why make throws worse? Power attacks are already underused. That's ridiculous.
>>47861897
Because why would a big dude care if a little dude hit him?
>>47861943
Harby is a squishy thing and metal men with point sticks are hitting her.
On the other hand why would Avatar care if a zealot hit him? Seems like skub arguing either way.
>>47861943
It doesn't seem very thematic for a guy clad in armor, being hurled across the field by a giant elephant, to bounce off of another model with no effect.
Rocks can be small but they usually hurt when they hit someone.
Mechanically speaking, it's odd to include that particular power attack but further reduce the incentive to use it.
>>47862083
>Mechanically speaking, it's odd to include that particular power attack but further reduce the incentive to use it.
They also made throws better somewhat by removing the one vs. two handed throws. They only difference having one vs. two open fists is the number of dice you roll for the strength check. This opens up the vastly superior targetable throw option to a lot more models.
>It doesn't seem very thematic for a guy clad in armor, being hurled across the field by a giant elephant, to bounce off of another model with no effect.
Why would a squishy human body do anything to a multi-ton steam driven iron automaton?
Anyone got 3e Vayl2 list concepts yet? She's so changed I'm not sure where to start, aside from probably Occultated Raptors.
I'm excited for Grimkyn since I've been playing dead by daylight for the past week.
Leaks when
What are Retribution's best ways of dealing with heavy (20+) armor? Especially on multiwound models.
As far as I can see it's really just Phoenix/Banshee and the heavy rifle team and maybe riflemen/invictors with CRA. Everything else seems to struggle a little versus any sort of stiff resistance.
>>47862313
PP's having playtesters sign a suicide pact now in addition to NDAs.
>>47860982
i think you had a heavy hand wih dat airbrush
>>47862373
Sentinels and heavy jacks will both wreck that shit.
>>47862373
Jacks
Sentinels Charging
Halberdiers UA Minifeat charging CMAs
Shooting on Ossyan's feat turn
>>47862373
Vyros2, Ossyan feat, Issryia feat all come to mind.
>>47862384
It's a base coat, it's supposed to cover everything. There is highlighting but you can't see it in the picture,
>>47862194
because it is mass travelling at pace.
>why would a squishy animal body do anything to a multi-ton petroleum driven steel automobile?
>>47862444
I'm pretty sure a real life elephant would notice if it had a dead human launched at it.
>>47862444
Are you seriously saying that the resilience of commercial automobiles is the same as an armored war machine?
>>47862617
It's not about resilience; it's about relative mass. A dude being thrown at a titan is a much closer affair than a deer running in front of an 18 wheeler.
>>47862697
>A dude being thrown at a titan is a much closer affair than a deer running in front of an 18 wheeler.
And? Why should a giant armored elephant thing give a fuck?
>>47862756
Because this isn't Hollywood and the energy being transferred into the elephant will have some degree of effect on it. A titan doesn't weigh 1000 tons. Hell this is fucking dumb on so many levels already because no living animal could carry as much metal as titans do. Like, the cannoneer has a fuckhuge solid metal cannon under a single arm. Like nigger no this discussion is pointless I'm gonna go jerk off to hentai.
>>47862819
>Because this isn't Hollywood and the energy being transferred into the elephant will have some degree of effect on it
And? A fly bumping into me transfers energy to me, too. Doesn't mean it's gonna knock me on my ass.
>>47861943
>why would a dude care if I threw a rock at him
>>47862916
>why would a dude care if I threw a water balloon at him
>>47862819
>this isn't Hollywood
>World where there's magic
>Giant robots that coal-fired steam turbines that instead of generating electricity it generates MAGIC, controlled by an AI system crafted in a world that is approximately the Industrial Revolution with magic, and guided telepathically by people who can bend reality to their will just by TRYING HARD ENOUGH
>Weapons that can shoot THROUGH WALLS at INVISIBLE PEOPLE or can pierce what is presumably inches thick steel plating and are hand portable and never run out of ammo
>There's also magic
>Swords that can cleave through the same armor and are as long as their wielder are tall
>People who can take a shot from something that would obliterate a fortified wall and not only live but CONTINUE TO FIGHT AT FULL CAPACITY
>AND THERE'S FUCKING MAGIC
Hey /tg/ I'm looking at MKIII after having not really played the game for a few months. I've always played Trollbloods and is it just me or did they get kind of shit on. I'm looking over the cards and I'm not really sure how to play them. Basically all the builds seem to be dead now. Can any GIT GUD anons help me out and explain to me how I'm supposed to play this faction? I'm trying to look on the bright side, but honestly I feel pretty disappointed.
Mulg got absolutely destroyed. He needed a nerf, but damn. Between his nerf, Earthborn transforming into a completely different beast, and Janissa losing the wall the Beast Brick is not really a list anymore. Heavy infantry brick got taken out with Warder nerf before and now with reduced boxes it is even less attractive. Grissel1 and Kriel Warriors were shit on so infantry spam doesn't seem too hot. It looks like the ranged pieces didn't change much, but our gunlines were never much to write home about anyway. Now with no more farstrike and some models getting reduced range and like got a miniscule buff it seems even LESS potent. The purge of animi means little to no interlocking buffs in lists.
Madrak2 seems stronk, but most of the warlocks didn't change much.
TL;DR
I play Trolls and am looking over MKIII. What happened to my faction and what do do now?
>>47863325
Faction is no longer a buffing faction. Don't think buffs anymore, but mere utility. I'm honestly lost too.
I do think that Gunnbjorn will become a legit competetive pick considering that gunlines are so dominatingly powerful currently.
>>47863325
>Mulg got absolutely destroyed.
I just saw a forum thread saying Mulg can destroy entire armies though
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?254028-I-want-to-talk-about-negative-play-experience
>>47863459
sure, if your entire army consists of 6 solos then yeah.
Mulg is just a Khador heavy now. it aint' awful, but it isn't all that amazing either. It bugs me so much how inferior he is in combat combat compared to Rok. Mulg should be our premiere heavy like the behemoth, capping our point level, but instead we get a second string has-been.
>>47863459
Don't read the PP forums, they're full of shitters and sycophants. I don't think Mulg is worthless, but he is barely even a shadow of his former self and only attractive really because he is still the only beast we have with 2" melee range. Very bland and sad. I wish he would have kept more of his unique traits and characterful riles and stats and maintained a more elite pointcost. But what can you do? Kind of everything feels more... bland I guess. I was really hyped for the new edition, but upon seeing it I just feel kind of "eh..."
>>47863673
>I was really hyped for the new edition, but upon seeing it I just feel kind of "eh..."
That's because this game is hot garbage.
>>47863786
I wouldn't go that far. It's miles better still than a lot of other games out there. Inferior to Infinity, though, for sure.
>>47863325
>I'm looking over the cards and I'm not really sure how to play them.
I'm in the exact same boat. I'm looking at all my lists and I'm just not happy with any of them now. I just can't get a satisfying build with our stuff.
The guy that was making these comics set up a blog for it. Anyone have the link?
>>47863872
how long did it take you to come up with those lists? how many games to get them right?
and how long has this new "edition" been out?
>edition
>edit
>>47856181
Countercharge is good against Admonition and Enliven especially. the order as it was in mk2 and is probably the same is
Charge --> charge is succesful --> enemy admonitions and ends within 6" --> counter charge succesfully
all in all, you'd get to make two boosted charge attack rolls because you had two succesful charges. it was quite funny to see people try to admo away from a bronzeback and take another boosted PS19 from his other fist.
>>47863877
http://skreeonkanon.tumblr.com/
>>47863920
It doesn't take long, but every time I make a list I just think; "Well, that's going to get shot to hell like it did last game before it can get into melee." Or, "well, I've got some ranged options, but can it deal with armor?"
I have only played a couple games, sure, but I don't feel happy with our stuff right now.
It is perfectly possible to look at turds and declare "those are turds." You don't necessarily have to go taste them to make absolutely sure.
>All these scrubs whining about Mulg being nerfed
>Meanwhile I can still pull off stupid shit with my cheaper Molik Karn using the still underrated Makeda1
Carnage was her overwhelmingly best spell and she kept it, so as long as you aren't expecting to one round colossals with Karn, he's the same as he ever was.
>>47864210
Sure, you can do that stupid shit but then you're still playing Skorne
>>47864210
same as he ever was? no he's not... in mk2 you could put savagery and rush on him and have him walk 13, preferably past some enemy models and turn around, hit them in the back to let him side step to another one, hit them and side step again. you could reach enemy casters who had tried to hide deep, DEEP behind their lines.
Molik karn is in no way the same with +2SPD and rush and no immunity to FS while side stepping.
hes basically just a generic reach SPD6 face beater now and hes shit for 20 points, the only time hes okay is with makeda3 for mulching infantry
>>47864210
I don't really care that Mulg got nerfed, he needed it. I don't really even think he's bad, but he lost all of his flavor and theme. Does not feel at all like the king bigdick badass of dire trolls. He's incredibly plain and that's disappointing.
>>47864388
That's like the whole game though. This is a much different edition change than I'm used to desu
So with the relative cost of the Galvanizer going down and the change to Induction, I'm wondering how good this list will do.
The Galvanizers are supposed to function like a Recip wall would, trading the Shield Wall ARM for an extra 14 boxes. You've got one less model, but in a defensive sense, losing one or two Galvanizers and then being able to make multiple attacks with the remaining ones makes them better at cutting through jams over the Recips. Plus, without needing all the extra support pieces for the Recips, you've still got enough points for a TEP and a normal battlegroup for Lucant.
And against shooting heavy lists, you've got so many shield guards it's not even funny.
I'm not sure if it's jank or not.
I got to live the Bethayne dream and kill a bunch of three Ret jacks with a min unit of Swordsmen I had lying around. I'm definitely considering getting a full unit of them, though I'm worried about screening them now that Legionnaires are expensive and blasts have gotten better.
I'm also really digging the new Raek. I'll miss the tarpitting, but it actually plays like I felt it should have from the beginning.
>>47863826
Infinity is a mess.
>>47865045
Go on.
>>47865105
a big fat mess
>>47865045
It's not so bad.
Imo not great as a competitive game, but it's fun if you just play casual shit with mates.
>>47865105
it's a clusterfuck of a game rules where it either demands encyclopedic knowledge from the player base to play (it does have a rule wiki) or demand constant reference.
It's filled with options, but it's options very rooted in desire for "realism" rather than gameplay.
>>47866135
Even the aliens with biotechnology?
>>47863325
I feel similar. I've done well and had fun with Madrak2, Doomie 2, Doomie 3, Borka, and Gunny. But the lists just feel very awkward while I'm slapping them together. I find it very hard to squeeze in support pieces and I'm jealous of other faction heavy infantry. Also, we need more varieties of heavy beasts. Feels like Rok/Mauler/Bomber/Dozer are all thats worth taking. A reach beast, a heavy with Shield guard and higher armor or other stuff would be interesting.
My hope is that with regular "patches" and with PP saying they want to treat WMH balance the same way vidya companies treat their online games, shit will level out in the next couple of "patches." So maybe a year.
>>47865045
Its getting better but some of the rules are boggling.
>>47866135
It really isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. Just like any other game it quickly becomes easily recalled stuff especially because so many rules are simply upgrades of currently existing rules and just improve them in some way.
>>47866269
>My hope is that with regular "patches" and with PP saying they want to treat WMH balance the same way vidya companies treat their online games, shit will level out in the next couple of "patches." So maybe a year.
Yeah, that's what I hope as well. But, since they said they're only going to patch "serious problems" I really don't think we'll get the relatively minor or widespread changes we need.
>>47866269
You're fooling yourself. PP is committed to fixing problems, as in broken stuff that ruins the game. Your shitty models are going to stay shitty and that's it.
If they do get a buff it'll be 2+ years from now so get used to it
>>47866428
i dunno, they have shown a willingness to make small tweaks before. like when they errata'd rhyas to have Reach, which helped her quite a bit.
>>47862931
You're comparing latex to metal plates.
>>47863167
Right, so why is it a stretch to assume a giant murder monster can chuck a puny, metal human fastball so hard that it scuffs the finish on your shiny warjack?
Or, better yet, breaks the neck of that skinny Joan-of-Ark messiah
>>47866645
The one with the magic forcefield?
>>47866763
That is objectively ARM 19(right?) when overboosting?
>>47866763
yes.
the magic generating potential of a small slightly-built female of a certain age who relies on a spook in the sky vs the inhuman steroided-to-hell-and-back magical monster.
>>47866763
>>47866823
>>47866835
Obviously it's a fantasy universe and we can argue the semantics of mechanical viability all we want; I just want muh options backs.
Overboosting isn't a thing anymore. It's "reduce damage by 5 per focus spent" now.
>>47866995
i.e., focusing energy into their magic forcefield to reduce the damage/impact of incoming attacks/projectiles. Like a thrown soldier
>>47866508
more like
"look at these quarterly reports, trolls aren't selling!"
"looks like it buffin time!"
>>47867531
they already did that with theme forces like body and soul
>>47867628
If you compare the number of NQ themes that were actually good competitively to the ones that were bad, it was pretty clear that wasn't their intention.
>>47867687
all of mk 2, and much of mk 3, make it pretty clear that PP is bafflingly incompetent at times, but it is also clear that more than a couple of the NQ theme forces were intended to encourage players purchasing models they would not otherwise buy. that so many of them were awful no more proves PP wasnt trying to push sales than the rules for new releases being outright awful proves PP didnt want the Mountain King or the Siege Animanterax to sell
>>47866165
yes.
>hmm, we got aliens with bio tech
>let's make different hacking and tech rules for them.
>yes, this will surely not bloat the rules.
>>47866382
Again, it's learnable but it's organized very poorly. I point to the Morat rule which is literally a combination of two rules.
Imagine if WM became where Trollkin granted tough and medium base status, or Ogrun automatically meant 5 wounds. It's just unnecessary layer, just like how rules like booty have two layers and have two charts.
Seriously, why the fuck is this NECESSARY? Why can't you reroll with booty levels on a single chart? Why even have booty levels?
Due to the nature of translation of native language, the rules themselves aren't even all that grammatically correct or terminologies consistent in a game that demands so much precision.
>>47867759
I mean, of course the themes were designed to sell models, at the end of the day, that's their entire goal.
But it's pretty clear they weren't doing it by making the theme forces super powerful to encourage sales.
The issue with themes was that they got a lot less testing than anything else did, which created the problem. Themes were to do interesting things with the casters, units, and factions, rather than trying to push the new hotness.
>PP Wants people to play around 75 pts, as this is the level they will be basing their errata on.
>Stated intent is to prevent big boats of infantry, give jacks more representation and fighting chance of affecting field without being OP
>MKII players immediately want to switch to 90 pnts to fit in all their infantry and support+ all those free jack points.
KILL ME /TG/.
It seems like the things I like to work around are reviled by the community around me.
>>47867856
You can stop the 100 point plague by not going to those events
>>47867856
Just play 75 points and don't play higher values
Rolled 6, 5 = 11 (2d6)
>>47867856
Sure, let me see if I can hit you.
No scope, no boost.
>>47867856
I think 75 points will stay, honestly.
Skews in general seem less powerful in MK3, so the lower point level seems far more acceptable to the community at large. I haven't seen any major players complaining about it, and my local meta seems to like the questions those fewer points for support asks for.
>>47867893
God, I always forget how stupid that rifle looks.
>>47867907
Not into chopping your arm off when you fire your rifle?
>>47867930
It makes no sense as a melee weapon either, that's what gets me.
Why not give him a fucking big ass bayonet at the end of his rifle? That would at least seem mildly possible.
>>47867896
I think people just haven't yet invested into the bastardiest skews just yet.
I think offensive jack skews might require some hard testing as a stress test, especially gun line versions.
>>47867940
Yea, but jack skews already have issues with scenarios, so I can't see them dominating that much.
>>47867969
so many scenario uses flags though. single models do great for those.
>>47867759
To be fair, some of those were genuinely fun and I think in good spirit.
Bad seeds turned out to be super popular for fluff reasons and I personally enjoyed the Attack of the Trees Cassius theme list.
so is mk3 tending to be smaller armies, or about the same, as compared to mk2?
also, how are cephalic looking in mk3? got out of the game about a year ago and I'm looking at getting back in at some point, cephalyx seem pretty neat
>>47868826
The increase of warjack/beast points while the drop in point totals overall means that infantry heavy armies took a hit. Most warmachine armies are looking at 2+ warjacks in every list, so model count on that end went way down.
Past that though, 75 points is like 3-4 points lower than 50 MK2 points, even if you're doing full battlegroup armies. Convergence, for example, had every warjack stay the same or get cheaper, but Syntherion full warjack armies still end up either a heavy or a support piece short of what they could be at in MK2(not even counting the free light he got).
So overall, the game has gotten slightly smaller.
>>47868826
I've been hearing that games are a little on the smaller side.
Cephalyx have an awesome theme force they have to use. When you take them, all your Monstrosities have Hyper Aggressive, for every 30 pts. for Drudges you take, you get a free Overseer unit, and one unit of Drudges gets to Ambush.
>>47864329
>the only time hes okay is with makeda3 for mulching infantry
Mak3 now prefers Tiberion (actually she prefers both). Mak2 still likes Molik though.
>>47869262
Yea, the change to Molik's Animus super hurt Mak3.
>>47869262
why would mak2 like molik? Dash doesnt work on him...
>>47869344
>Dash doesnt work on him...
Oh fuck, really? Never ind then.
>>47868910
I said this when they first announced the new points size. Every Anon lost their shit, it's like I was posting blacklivesmatter propaganda on tg.
Hey, Im newbie in Warmahordes and Im trying to start Cryx. What to buy first? I go for new starter for sure, but is one box army still worth a damn? I see that Bane Warriors are nerfed af. Also I try to hit Mortenembra jackstorm, any ideas how to make it competetive (I assume gunline mode on)?
>>47869358
>expecting skorne to get nice things
HAH!
excuse me while i go back to my PS19 stormclads that threat 14" and get a free attack and activate with 2 focus on my caster that forces 90% of the board to lose half their turn.
>>47869719
My other faction is Cygnar though. So I guess I'll be seeing you there.
Shyeel or Vyre heavies?
>>47869816
what sort of question is that?
who is running them and how are they supported?
are you going full house retard? or just having trouble picking which heavy to add to an otherwise complete list?
seriously. you might as well have asked
>left or right?
>>47869658
The best way to do Cryx is literally build a meme army.
>>47869983
Left or right?
>>47870049
yeah. a vague open ended detail-lacking question.
i don't know Ret.
but in most cases picking a certain thing over another is due to one suiting the circumstances better in some way.
so asking X or Y with no background info:
>Shyeel or Vyre heavies?
>>47869719
I think my Banshee will just Knock your Stormclad down.
>>47869816
Vyre : Sphinx, Banshee.
Shyel : Discordia, Phoenix, Manticore, Aspis, Griffon and Chimera.
>>47870157
and if fully autistic:
shyeel has itself hyperion
saying no to vyre sounds better and better
>>47870171
My only problem with Hyperion is the main gun at RNG 10".
Seriously pull down to POW 16/15 and give me RNG 14".
I think Banshee is still good, but probably we will se it a lot less. Kaelyssa and Ossy still like it a lot.
>People wanting MORE points
Personally as a Skorne player I feel like I can field more models than I could before. Sure 50+5 points when doubled seems like more than 75+29 points, but most of my shit got cheaper so it kinda works out the same. Gladiators got a Mk2 point cheaper, Cetrati got a Mk2 point cheaper, Nihilators got half a Mk2 point cheaper, Extoller Soulwards got half a Mk point cheaper. There, my list now has exactly the same points as a Mk2 list.
>New to War Room, get the app.
>Fill in all the necessities, press create!
>"Nuh uh! Cant do that!" message pops up, apparently the War Room 2 is a entirely different app, and not an upgrade... Both strange and stupid, but anyways.
>Gets War Room 2.
>Fill in all the necessities.
>Press "create"
>"Nuh huh! Cant do that, this Hotmail is already registered!"
... One can but ask the question if pp really wants people to play their game?
So now I'm stuck in a loop that had my mail registered as a "good to go" with War Room 1, but failed to create anything at all. All the while, War Room 2 wont allow me to register my mail yet again, because according to that app, my mail is already in use.
You want to know what happens when I try to "forgot password/username" with my mail? You guessed it, "this mail isn't bound to an account!".
So in short, go fuck yourself Privateer Press, stick a mammoth in your brown hole, and just let it rip! Because, with all the bugged leaked cards already shown, there is no way in hell Ill be getting myself a classical deck anytime soon.
>>47870226
Just wait ~10 more days and get the new WHAC. No accounts/online BS, no in-between framework (aside from Dalvik/ARC), just smooth list-building and card data.
Hey guys someone so gentle to have a link to Trollbloods deck ?
>>47870237
Please tell me more?
What is the WHAC, to someone who has only ever used the classical decks since I started playing when mk2 hit the shelves, and has never even tried anything online/computer stuff in combination to the games.... Man I sound like such a fossil...
>>47870259
It's an android application by some french guy that is basically warroom but doesn't suck. It's inofficial and therefor borderline-legal. Only problem is that it's still stuck in MK2 and is generally slower with the updates than warroom. Both of those problems should be resolved in the near future though. For more info look up the forum, easily found via [search engine].
>>47870242
> link to Trollbloods deck ?
Why, anon?
Do you WANT to be horribly dissapointed?
>>47870374
Life is suffering.
>>47870470
oh.
so you play skorne?
Can anyone hit me up with that dank Minions deck? Honestly I just want the card for the Bellows Crew and Chef.
>>47870553
SWAMP GOBBER CHEF
6 4 5 3 14 12 3
CLEAVER
0.5 4 8
PC1
FA2
MINION – This model will work for Circle, Legion, Skorne, and Trollbloods.
CHEF
BACKSTAB – While completely within the back arc of an enemy
model, this model gains an additional die on its attack and damage
rolls against that model.
STEW’S ON – While in this model’s command range, friendly warrior
models gain Comfort Food. (If a model with Comfort Food is within
1˝ of a friendly Faction warbeast at the beginning of your Control
Phase, before leeching you can remove the model with Comfort Food
from play to remove any number of fury points from the warbeast.)
SWAMP GOBBER BELLOWS CREW
LEADER & 1 GRUNT pc 2 fa 1
6 3 3 3 15 11 5
HAND WEAPON
0.5 2 5
MINIONS – This unit will work for Circle, Legion, Skorne, and Trollbloods.
LEADER & GRUNT
CLOUD COVER (HACTION) – Place a 3˝ AOE cloud effect in play with its
center point within 1˝ of the Leader. If the Grunt is B2B with the Leader,
place a 5˝ AOE instead. This AOE remains in play for one round.
>>47870606
So has the Bellows Crew stayed exactly the same? That'd be nice since it means I don't need a new card.
>>47867856
Jacks are boring IMO.
The plastic on my Rok's axe is really soft, like bendy soft. It's just the axe, even the arm which is part of the same piece is fine.Is that a problem with this kit or did I get a bad one?
