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How has angels and good outsiders affected your game, /pfg/?
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>>47815120
>https://www.sendspace.com/file/uanv1c
That zip file does not have the hound archon and succubus....
>>47815120
What sort of angel is this? Or what sort is it probably most likely, in PF terms?
>>47815308
titty angel
>be desperado warlord
>hit level 11, get twisting wind shot
>crit forever for x4 damage, never run out of grit, use upclose and deadly with every shot
>mfw
>>47815308
pure sex angel
I've been GMing a game for almost two years now where the party were chosen ones for different members of the settings pantheon.
Jesus Christ I was not ready for a game of this scale and Pathfinder's power scaling does not help. At this point it's almost a surefire that the party will be going god killing at some point.
So my GM allow any Paizo race of 15RP or lower for the new campaign (usually our table strictly only play with core race).
Are there any outstanding or fun race out there? I'm tempt to play Astomoi Oracle just for the hell of it.
I recall someone posting a Zelda homebrew for PF. Anyone got a link?
>>47815308
Ascended/Purified SuccubusI have more
>>47815120
Generally I keep the gods vague at best, never actually confirming or denying their existence... so I can't say Celestials have ever played an important role in my games.
>>47815120
>How has angels and good outsiders affected your game, /pfg/?
Our Bardadin is conflicted between worshiping one or bedding one.
>Half Aasimar / Half Tiefling
Name a bigger Mary Sue race
>>47815411
How are those mutually exclusive?
>>47815431
defiling god's pure servant is most probably frowned upon.
>>47815429
>>47815443
if she has regeneration, she's pure every time!
>>47815429
>Name a bigger Mary Sue race
Human
>>47815120
A Stupendous Aura envelops this angel, which imposes a 2 Cha drain on a creature every time it interacts with said creature
This ability drain stacks
>>47815429
Half-Aasimar, Half-Tiefling, favored spawn of a Drakaina.
>>47815120
>How has angels and good outsiders affected your game, /pfg/?
Smug bastards with their own agenda.
They give 0 shits about humanity or the world for that matter. They just use anything and anyone they see fit to get an advantage over 'Evil'
>>47815485
>tfw your GM has a "favored spawn of drakaina kill/corrupt Golarion" as a backup game
>>47815445
>elf/orc is N
Bullshit.
>>47815509
Never stop trying, though.
>>47815509
Green orcs, not pig orcs.
>>47815509
Never Ever
>>47815541
>>47815541
>no new updates
>no shota hero /ss/ cake wizard spinoff
>>47815155
Yes it does. Check Pinnacle and Pit.
>>47815120
A bunch of hyper powerful (CR 20 or so) good outsiders fell last session in the game im playing in. Two more fell this session. We have no idea what their motivation is for being evil.
>>47815120
T H I C C
H
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C
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where's my domain of thick lewd clerics and paladins?
>>47815685
>>47815701
>>47815701
mittens
apparently I'm into mittens now
>>47815685
Worshiping the drakaina.
What is a good 20PB stat array for Caster Cleric/Oracle, who isn't totally helpless in melee?
14 14 14 10 8 15(+2)?
>>47815770
no fuck you
get a nat 18 in there
>>47815120
Well... one of them did all of the following:
1. Ended a war, by creating and using the first Dirty Bomb
2. Waged a solo war against one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and won.
3. Resurrected an evil god
4. Conducted a raid on the god's private plane, freeing all the souls he was going to feed on.
5. Stole said god's divine power.
6. Used said power as a clean, eternal, energy source.
7. Outsmarted a cabal of Ancient Dragons.
8. Was responsible for the death/eternal imprisonment of the entire party.It was me. I was the angel.
>>47815738
>>47815774
Optimize build > Min-maxing build
>>47815799
>>47815770
Choose cleric or oracle. Not both.
Angle kin Aasimat Oracle. Lunar oracle with prophetic armor and noble scion of war at level 1 so you use dex for nothing.
Str: 16
Dex: 7
Con: 14
Int: 12
Wis: 12
Cha: 18
Get broken promise for claws, get hunger curse for bite. Dual cursed for branded and gave hunger not improve because it doesn't matter. Use nat attacks. At level 3 get another nat attack with revelation and power attack.
You at level 5 use Cha for fort because curse, reflex, armor and initiative. Then with another feat you can use it for mind effecting too.
Finally finished with my college paper. Submitted this.
>>47815859
I'm on my phone while driving in the dark so this isn't as detailed as it could be. Did I miss anything? Also lore oracle could work, drop the nat attack and get wizard spells once a day. Cast divine favor with fate's favored for better damage and use a two handed weapon.
Actually lore would just be straight better.
So Angle-Kin Dual Cursed Branded/Hunger Lore Oracle.
Uses Cha to basically everything but damage.
>>47815812
Min-maxing is optimizing
Stregone Psi-Archetype guy here...
I'm considering an attempt at an "active terrain type" similar to what the 'subtypes' in the Cypher Dragon give it.
The bolts are becoming d4 based Disruptor bolts, affected only by DR/- and Hardness, but with acess to a few tricks like bypassing one pattern on the way (such as turning a hard wall into mere 'concealment' of the same grade).
I'm thinking 'active terrain' should have small bonuses but *WHAT*? Need all the standards (water/plains/swamps/mountains/forests) as well as underwater, sky and void.
Or should it just be a switchable 'favored terrain'?
Other idea to try and make it unique or interesting is that active terrain would expand at level 10 (it now becomes a bubble around you), making the terrain allow you to melee or fire your disruptor bolts without provoking, and actually detonating new terrain types around a target on hit as the 20th level capstone by which point it's probably grown enough to be "fuck you you're in lava".
Could use some criticism or help waiting on me when I wake up and hit F5.
>>47815902
No I thought again Lumar is better. I'll build it for you. What level do you want?
I'm going to get the chance to play a Jel! A good friend of mine is running a rise of the runelords game.
We have a beastmorph alchemist... some type of rogue, a person who *wants* to play an antipaladin (but is getting veto'd) and I've got the okay to play my homebrew race as a wilder (student surge).
The guy DMing wanted to push me towards a caster to round out the party (there will be some dmpc healer) and was entirely okay with a 'blast the fuck out of them' wilder.
>>47815155
>>47815120
Did- did no one vet these conversions?! Who in their right fucking mind did all this? Some of these are absolutely garbage and the others are fucking outrageous. Most of them get no armor proficiency, yet get simple and martial- and for some unknown reason the person who made these conversions apparently though handing out "Utility spells" like BEAST SHAPE II and TONGUES quantified class abilities.
Dafuq, man.
>>47815953
And YES, the idea that passed through my head for better or worse was "pattern-thingy geomancer"; a bigger/better distort pattern than "just this one guy" and "that trap". Much less defensive/self-buff ones than actual cryptics so better disruptors.
>>47815966
Had this conversation two threads ago, my friend. I'd stay to have it again but I need some sleep.
>>47815953
>DR/-
But why?
If it's d4, it should damn well ignore that.
>>47815984
Someone care to paraphrase, then?
>>47815984
What's the fucking point of publishing a class if it won't ever be played at any table?
>>47815937
No. Actual optimize build doesn't have glaring weakness. Stat array like >>47815859 is optimize. Natural 18 CHA before racial adjuatment is just stupid min-maxing that will create trouble when you can't be at your "max".
>>47815999
with INT, damage feats, growing numbers of said dice for base damage; I wrote that part just in case it needs something to hold it back a bit.
>>47815937
Technically, but min-maxing is a more extreme form of optimization, that tends to sacrifice overall functionality for excellence in a particular area.
>>47816028
one certainly should learn to soften their touch, that their character gain much more in numerous situations and statuses than if he expended great effort for a small extra gain in their most powerful ability.
Eventually one can even learn to take advantage of such 'spreads', and may in fact overtake that one overspecialization at its own game, sometimes.
Are there any good and obscure builds involving a tower shield or at least making it less bad?
>>47815961
>>47815902
I'm actually more interest in Shadow mystery, mainly for Shadow Enchantment,Conjuration,Evocation,Transmutation line of spell. Those flexible spells fix a lot of problem for spontaneous caster.
We're starting at level 7.
>>47816065
If you want to be bad, sure.
>>47815120
But where is the ogre thing
>>47815411
>another game with a bard-a-din
nice.
>>47816058
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/mobile-stronghold-combat
>>47816088
Ogre race?
So someone at my table just rolled a bushi brutal slayer with daisho expertise.
Jesus christ that 4d6 weapon die damage.
>>47816085
AC is the last line of defense according to /pfg/ anyway. He could just use Shadowform spell and take 1/5 damage on every hit instead. Or use Shadow Projection and laugh since he still get Incorporeal quality and Str damage touch attack for 7 hour.
>>47816085
It's disgusting but I love this idea all the more.
Half Orc dual cursed war sighted lunar oracle 5, paladin 2.
>cha to fort twice & con
>cha to will and again against mind effecting
>cha to reflex twice
>cha to initiative
>cha to AC
>sacred tatto with fate's favored for +2 luck to saves
>easily +20 to saves at level 7.
If you ignore the silly can't apply the same ability score twice thing.
>>47816150
Is for reflex saves and an animal companion, not AC.
>>47816162
>If you ignore the silly can't apply the same ability score twice thing.
that shit ain't silly.
>>47815316
BRRRROTHER
>>47816175
Of course it is silly. It was made to keep monks down. Shh.
>>47816168
Reflex save is neglectable, the worst is you take damage.
Animal Companion is nice but it's not comparable to being able to have 200+ more spell known from Shadow X
>>47816222
Eh, there are some reflex saves which take you out of the fight. Like pits, walls that block you off or similar. Rare, though.
Why is DSP allowed to sell forum homebrew-tier monster classes for real money?
>>47816240
Because people pay for them. Why are any TTRPG producers able to do that?
>>47816222
Or being stuck in a pit, or falling on your ass (grease), or other detrimental conditions such as dazed forever. (You think dazing fireball is a PC only ability? You break the game, a good DM follows YOUR lead.) Or you end up in the rushing river, over a cliff, or otherwise location-inconvenienced.
Reflex can matter more than just damage.
>>47816240
Because market demand is the only thing that stops people selling anything, outside of legalities. I can sell good wishes and farts if there was people willing to pay for it.
Daily reminder that DSP monster classes A SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>47816272
The only one I've heard complaints about is the succubutt.
>Intrigue Campaign Incoming
>Spellcaster slot available
>What do
>>47816277
Their Succubutt doesn't even get Cute Succubus Wings.
>>47816279
If Homebrew is available then go beguiler, if not mesmerist or bard?
>>47816279
Be the worst wizard you can be. Play a spellslinger. Be sub-par. Havefun
>>47816256
Guess which mystery also has the 3 way to get fly speed?
If your GM use Dazing fireball on player, then you have a bigger problem on hand, since that GM will probably abuse Simulacrum free Wish too.
>>47816286
Wait, what? Alight, this is a source for genuine concern. You can't have succubutt without wings.
>>47816286
>>47816347
Wings (Ex): At 2nd level, a set of batlike wings sprouts from a succubus’ back. She can use these wings to glide, negating damage from any fall and allowing 20 feet of forward movement for every 5 feet of descent. She glides at a speed of 30 feet with average maneuverability. She cannot use her wings to actually gain altitude; she merely coasts in other directions as she falls. At 6th level, her wings grow stronger, and she gains the ability to fly at a speed of 50 feet with average maneuverability. While a succubus is encumbered or wearing medium or heavy armor, her fly speed is reduced by 10 feet.
>>47816369
>missing the joke about Cute Succubus Wings
I am disappoint, anon.
>>47816240
Man, this is great art. Who did it?
>>47816383
t.Pedo
>>47816383
http://observerz.deviantart.com/art/--346214882
>>47816402
Oh christ my boner.
>>47816014
>What's the fucking point of publishing a class if it won't ever be played at any table?
Judging by http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=270.0 , monster classes are quite popular.
>>47815738
UNF
What is it with hips? Can't get enough.
>>47815799
DAT epic level armor.
>>47816479
The ol' brainstem knows what's good for making more of yourself m8.
>>47816464
The concept itself is cool.
What I'm saying is that the DSP succubutt is way too ridiculously overpowered and unplayable because of that.
Can a Tower Shield Warder work?
I'm a bit hesitant based on the fact that you can't Shield Bash with it and Iron Tortoise likes it's bashing.
On the other hand: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/mobile-stronghold-combat looks like fun to combo with it. Let's you skimp a bit on the vs attack Counters.
>>47816765
STUPENDOUS STRENGTH (COMBAT)
Your massive strength allows you to wield equally
massive weapons.
Prerequisites: Str 17, base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You can wield normally two-handed weapons
as one-handed weapons, and normally one-handed
weapons as light weapons. When wielding a weapon in
this manner, you treat it in all ways as being that type of
weapon, rather than a weapon of its normal handedness.
In addition, you do not take the normal –2 penalty on
attack rolls while employing a tower shield, and can
make shield bash attacks with tower shields as if they
were heavy shields.
For example, if you wield a greatclub as a one-handed
weapon, you would only add your Strength modifier to
damage rolls, rather than 1-1/2 your Strength modifier,
and you would not gain additional damage from using
a two-handed weapon if you used the Power Attack feat.
Special: If you possess the Prodigious Two-Weapon
Fighting feat from Path of War: Expanded, its effect
stacks with this feat, allowing you to wield a normally
two-handed weapon in your off hand as a light weapon.
>>47816765
Obviously, just get the DM to allow a shenanigan to let shield bonuses stack, then use a tower shield AND a large steel shield with spikes on.
>>47816287
I was thinking of Shaman with Slums spirit for some city shenanigans.
>I'll go check on something, be right back
>heads to the toilet door
>reappears in secret hideout
>>47816805
Interesting. Alright. So that's 5 feats spoken for already (Stupendous Strength and the Mobile Stronghold Chain).
What other feats are essential for a warder? As I was hoping to go with Ordained Defender (Both for fluff and for the Reformation Inquisition) but that costs 2 of the bonus feats a warder gets.
>>47816805
Wait, this feat was from?
>>47816856
DSP Savage monster book.
>>47816846
You're a Warder, just use the counter. Stupendous Strength, Defensive Expertise and extended defense do everything that the Mobile Stronghold chain seems to, apart from providing cover.
>>47815120
The guardinals helped the party to negotiate a deal with a king who had fled his demon-conquered world with an artifact that would let him create an army to take it back - an artifact that the party needs both for their own quest and because continued use of it risked causing a catastrophe that could free countless imprisoned ancient evils.
>>47816896
Perhaps. Going to Mobile Bulwark Style at least seems like a decent idea. Move action for Total Cover from a direction looks nice with the fact that Initiators don't need to worry as much about Full Attacks.
>>47817043
>Going to Mobile Bulwark Style at least seems like a decent idea.
No.
>>47817043
>Move action for Total Cover from a direction
As far as my understanding of cover go, you get total cover only from attackers located in crosss-shaped pattern:
pptpp
pptpp
tt@tt
pptpp
pptpp
Where @ is you, 't' are squares from which you have total cover (if you have four shields), 'p'are squares from which you have regular cover.
>>47817083
I think the outer edges are also going to be 't' squares since it states "total cover against
attacks passing through the selected edge of your space" for Mobile Fortress. So if any lines are drawn through that edge of your space, you gain total cover against it.
>>47815120
I'm playing a LG female cleric who aspires to become an angel when she isn't being the party mom. Regularly drives the CN bard in our party crazy because he can't seduce her. The GM and Bard PC seemed to think of her to be more like >>47815685.
I tell them all the time she's like Eileen the Crow from Bloodborne.
>>47815120
I.. want to be that celestial. But I don't have a party, or a game, or anything.
Fun fact: RAW, there's nothing stopping you from applying the half-marilith template to a marilith to get a snakegirl with 8 arms.
I am preparing a horror themed mini campaign for this summer and I need suggestions for the first chapter regarding enemies which aren't zombies or skeletons.
I need a low level CR horror mook, I have already the minibosses (one of them is a spring heeled jack).
>>47817284
Adventurers.
>>47817284
Spawn of a Drakiana? That could lead into the next story of tracking down the thing itself.
>>47817284
Akata? Although those come with zombie..
Chupacabra?
>>47817316
The theme of the campaign is Nightripper being manipulated by Nyarlathotep for open a stable rift between Varisia and the Plateau of Leng.
>>47817284
aliens? animals?
>>47815953
I actually dislike the idea of making the Psi-Archetype worse than the base one just for the sake of being "unique". At that point why bother making a Psi archetype at all? Active Terrain in shit doesn't really fit Psionics well.
You're bolts are weaker, they aren't affected by DR(energy isn't effected by DR anyway), if the Stregone can't already punch through resistance there are ways to do that already without class features, and your class abilities would be hampered by location.
You're basically punishing the player for NOT being an arcane caster or wanting some different flavor. Stop it. I'd say make the Psionic class stander blasty stuff swapping Acid for Sonic, and make a separate "geomancer" style archetype that's compatible with everything.
>>47815449
Isn't there actually a spell in the BoEF that can not only restore your virginity, but restore your mental virginity?
Like, I think the spell outright states it more or less "turns back the clock" and erases all signs of sexual activity, making the girl or guy as pure as a virgin, and the mental aspect erases all memory of sexual activity (the romance remains, though.)
What are some good pets/allies/synergistic monsters to use with Ogres?
Quick question gentles. I am currently playing with a psiarmory soul knife multiclass build.
What were the trait/feat you could take to get virtual levels in the class. And what was the source?
>>47817535
Ogre magi.
Which character sheet are you guy using? Any recommendation?
>>47817842
Myth-Weavers.
>>47815953
>Stregone
What?
How does an elven branched spear even look like?
>>47817734
Fighter's Blade feat, ultimate psionics.
Natural Blade trait, psionics augmented - soulknife. Not sure if feat and trait part is released as pdf yet.
>>47817471
the DR was added as an explicit statement BECAUSE normally energy wouldn't work on it. untyped damage works rather well against objects, and from early on.
the terrain thing I'm not sure about myself, but I can guarantee the overall bolt result is/was at least as capable overall: there's no use for focused and piercing bolt abilities either, which get replaced for other things, as it certainly would be a nasty nerf if they were kept with untyped damage.
Do recall 1d4 vs 1d6 is one damage per die on average, so 4 total at 18th.
>>47818177
Nevertheless, I've removed the DR component.
>>47818050
Dude looked at the Vigilante Warlock and thought "wow, this could have been cool, but it's shit" and then proceeded to make an entire class based on it. People liked it, for some reason.
DSP Swashbuckler fucking when?
Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.
Tell me aboutthe elf that got away.
>>47819179
When we get around to it.
>>47819183
She was a pretty but quite simple village girl that proclaimed her love for our Oracle under the harvest moon and begged him to stay with her and start a family. He denied her, and we left the next morning.
Things got awkward when we discovered she ran after the party and got turned into a vampire after a local blood-sucking aristocrat noticed the lovely farm-girl in the big city.
>>47819521
Damn son, you fucked up big time
>>47815937
I always thought as it being similar, but nearly reversed.
Minmaxing=I do a couple things absurdly well, to the point of having multiple detriments when attempting to do other things.
Optimizing=I try to do a bunch of stuff pretty good, but while covering any major weaknesses as much as possible.
>>47819601
I didn't fuck up, the Oracle fucked up. Turns out she never realized her childhood crush was gay.
The relationships are really fucked up in this campaign, our Bard Diva has been pregnant since session 1 with her husbando noble's baby, and last session we discovered husbando was not only an antagonist, but a monstrous one engaged in hideous blood experiments. We have no idea what's going to slither out of that girl's womb.
The only character with a "normal" lover would be mine, who knocked up a Hamadryad when he was young and had to care for the changeling child that came from it after she had to flee to a magical refuge after the BBEG started hunting for her. We're about to reunite with the Hamadryad, but she's apparently dying as her magical energy is seeped out to maintain the barriers protecting the village from monsters.
>>47819626
Nah, the most optimized character is incredibly minmaxed.
Minimize your uselessness.
Maximize your brokenness.
So, I'm about to join my first ever PF campaign, and my to-be GM suggested I look up Varisa, the Pathfinder society, Tian Xia (because of how my character is set up, being a hungerseed tiefling) and Golarion in general.
Has someone done kind of a "here's the basics of what you need to know while starting PF" of those? Starting out just reading over the wiki is kind of making my brain fizzle out.
I also forgot to mostly write down what he said about the current campaign. So I don't have anything specific to focus on, beyond how a character's backstory could end up involving tian xia and still be on another continent with a pathfinder society group.
>>47819626
Optimizing = Doing your best to make your character better at a task or a set of task.
Min-maxing = Optimizing for a specific task or a specialty(dealing damage, being stealthy motherfucker, survivability, etc) even at a significant cost to everything else.
So min-maxing is just a subset of optimizing, really.
>>47819747
>the Pathfinder society,
nope nope nope
>>47819778
>nope nope nope
Explain?
Again, I'm new, I'm just going on what like 4 words the DM wrote down on a sheet of paper.
>>47819697
Sounds pretty rad, if fucking disturbing
>>47819697
Gay oracles, ruining lives forever
>>47819183
I've never even seen a potential NPC love interest in any game. Lots of GMs avoid any kind of romance entirely. I've never even seen a cute princess or a sexy evil priestess.
>>47816240
If I wasn't a terminally lazy fuck with a deadline issue I'd apply for a job, DSP is not the only people putting out stuff that I could. Everyman gaming, Frog God,paizo
>>47819862
>Lots of GMs avoid any kind of romance entirely.
My DM is pretty based.
In a serious, non-ERP campaign (I swear), he put up with all the bullshit I came up with, and I crossed quite a few taboos. No ERP, though, and we cut to black whenever stuff got too lewd.
>>47819905
>he put up with all the bullshit I came up with, and I crossed quite a few taboos
What taboos?
>>47819979Psychological slavery, massive age differences to the point it's probably pedophilia, other minor things.
>>47819905
I'm attempting to break a few barriers in the campaign I'm playing now.
tldr of it my character ran one of the most degenerate, horrific brothels/sex dungeons in the kingdom. Noble clients, high ranking military, rich traders, all fucking anything and everything. Including but not limited to children, animals, chairs, each other, in all manner you can think of.. normal sex, standard bdsm shit, torture & snuff, whatever they paid for.
So far nothing explicit has been said in character but we have come across a few very nervous nobles who, for some reason the rest of the party can't explain, did us favors.
Should be fun.
>>47820000
That's a hell of a post to get quads on.
>>47820000
Yeah, I'd totally be uncomfortable in that type of game.
>>47820068
The thing is - I'm the only one who did anything remotely like that, the rest of the campaign was normal and heroic.
And the DM catered to it all without hesitation, which kinda makes him badass.
>>47820083
Then I feel sorry for all the other players who had to put up with that shit.
>>47820088
It was almost exclusively in PM with the DM, mostly kept away from the rest of the campaign and out of view of other players.
>>47820103
So in other words you basically had gay ERP fantasies with your GM. Got it.
>>47816867
>>47816856
Basically the monster classes books are only good for their feats.
The succubus had a really cool one for disguise people, too.
>>47820143
>gayI'm a girl tho, and all the stuff was straight
>>47819697
Magical Realm the game?
>>47819905
My GM's generally pretty forgiving of whatever we do. Two PCs are in a relationship, we just got out of an ancient wizard's bizarre giant sex dungeon..
>>47820156
wellokaythen.jpg
>me too
>>47820182
Well then we're ALL girls then!
Except for the BRRRRRRRTself anon, it would be intolerant to pretend they're not the majestic warthog that they are.
>>47820157
>Magical Realm the game?
Not really, they're all played very tastefully.
>>47820146
Gelatinous cube is amazing
>>47820199
Lets also not disregard those weird goo-girl posters either. They (barely) have a right to exist.
>>47820217
Hi!
>>47820156
>spoiler
boooring
>>47819179
DSP Swashbuckler fucking why? Roll dex warlord for mundane swashbuckler or dex mystic for supernatural swashbuckler or dex harbinger for edgy swashbuckler.
>>47820226
hi!
>>47820233
Harbinger isn't CHA.
>>47820249
Dip Daring Hero then. It gets you free counters too, for more swashbucklery action.
>>47820000
Looks like /tg/ banner.
Looking to play a Battlefield Control Mage what Wizard School should I play?
Is the shadow specialization any good?
>>47820436
Nah. I suggest Void.
>>47819792
He's mixing up the Pathfinder society that is a faction in the setting and the Pathfinder society that is Paizo's organized play system. The former is fine lore-wise, the latter is a clusterfuck designed to sell you shit.
>>47820287
Anon pls, mindbreak is new vanilla.
>>47820648
>trying to insist your brand of autism is normal
Don't do that. Even if you're doing it ironically, there's always that fucking guy who thinks you're serious and starts spewing his bullshit unironically. No one cares that your fetish is super fucking weird, you don't need to pretend it's normal.
>>47820689
>No, it's okay to tear off the child's head because they'll one day become a demon. I shouldn't fall from paladinhood because of that.
>>47820726
Are you giving an example or was that supposed to be a rebuttal somehow?
>>47820613
Pathfinder society is pretty screw up lore-wise too. They are shady as hell.
>>47815120
I can still fondly remember sending one DM into fits with angels.
>Casting a spell with an alignment descriptor makes it an act of that alignment.
>Therefore summoning devils is Evil.
>Therefore summoning Angels is a Good act.
>Planar Binding, aka planar kidnapping and forced servitude, is typed by the Outsider summoned.
>Therefore summoning and forcing an angel to obey you is an inherently Good act.
And that's how a chaotic good wizard justified his celestial minions.
>>47820689
Point. Actually BDSM is the new vanilla.
Thanks E. L. James.
>>47820769
Light BDSM has always been pretty vanilla, yeah.
>>47820737
It's a reference to a post a few months back where a player was upset by his inquisitor losing his powers after tearing the head off of a child that pinged on detect evil. He literally couldn't imagine any other more reasonable approach that ripping the head off of the child with his bare hands. It's an example of an autist pretending that his fucked up worldview is normal.
>>47819183
Not an elf but still kind of similar
>Have a weakness for monster girls
>Party runs into a female kobold bard NPC
>NPC escorts us to a location and starts leaving
>It's not entirely out of character for my PC to sweep her up
>Ask her to stay
>Doesn't
>Probably won't see her again
>GM either used a great pre-made NPC or set up a gutpunch just for me
>Can't ask him to make her show up again because I think he doesn't know about my weakness
This was yesterday
I am still in pain
>>47820798
Was that really months ago? Shit, I remember it like it was yetserday.
>>47820798
Ah, thanks for the context.
>>47820807
Sadly yes, time continues to flow unabated by my efforts. But one day... ONE DAY!!!
>>47820825
>Day 346: My time reversal spell has finally worked!
>Day 345: I have a problem
>>47819183
>Play female character
>Don't want to go for any romance because it'll be awkward to RP
>Play male character
>Don't want to go for any romance because I'll look like a creep
So, uh, there isn't one. Sadly.
>>47819183
Oh, she was talking some tough shit when she was up on the chandalier throwing spells at us, but when we cut the chain and sent her crashing to earth and she got a couple arrows in the butt she screamed like a little girl and used a contingency to leg it.
Sadly, the campaign never got to the point where we could track her and her buddies down and finish the job.
>>47820841
Close enough
>>47820156
I can't even imagine how fat a girl must be to want to ERP. Your DM must have really low standards.
>>47820968
But I didn't ERP.
What is this weeaboo shit?
>>47820968
That's a dumb thing to say, you're dumb.
>>47819183
All of my GMs (Including me) just find it way too awkward to even start. But eh, it happened once and it was fun while it lasted
>>47820648Playing an enchantment sorcerer for the first time and later finding out this was one of the the GM's fetishes still weirds me out a little.
What's appropriate DPR for a level six character?
Nova and round-to-round?
>>47820769
>50 Shades of Grey is bondage
lol no please educate yourself
>>47820798
Man, I think my favorite part of that was how he then went to Reddit to try and gain sympathy, and people on THERE called him out.
>>47821095
Depends, but if you going CRB the Falchion Fighter is probably head of the pack. At level 6 versus CR 6 the results are...
Level: 6 CR: 6 DPR: 33.0625
Taken from;
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qimg?Numbers-Crunched-The-Baseline-DPR-of-an#1
>>47821118
It's not a good portrayal. Or rather it's not a good kind of BDSM that's being portrayed there. But it still does fit the definition.
>>47815443
He could be a normal person who doesn't think sex is wrong.
>>47821095
Probably around 25-30 damage round to round, I think that's normal for a 2H Barbarian.
How good are PoW characters at nova?
I haven't fully investigated all the classes and archetypes but it seems like the only one capable of doing good nova shit is Stalker, and it doesn't seem that strong.
>>47821095
I forgot to add, please quantify what 'nova' means? Are we assuming a full array of buff spells from the Cleric/Wizard/etc? >>47821164
assumes appropriate wealth, gear and feats/stats for that level and what the build is capable of by itself.
And again, it varies by classes. Certain builds may do more in 1pp. Path of War definitely does more DPR depending on your build and Disciplines chosen.
>>47821044
when will people learn?everything is the GM's fetisheverything.
>>47821170
At its core BDSM, or just bondage, is about consent and trust between the two people practicing it. There wasn't any of that in 50 Shades of Grey, last I checked.
It is a good example of someone inserting abusive relationships into a backdrop featuring bondage.
>>47821183
Level 6? Should be more like 2d12+1d6+52 for a barbarian's full go.
>>47821191
Not particularly I think, you're limited to a swift and full-round at best which isn't enough to burn through everything. Maybe a Kineticist.
>>47821234
How are you getting +52 from two attacks?
>>47821266
Greataxe: 12(1.5xstr mod)+6(power attack)
Bite: 8(str mod)+4(power attack)
I am wrong it's +48 not 52. I did 1.5x str for the bite by accident first time.
>>47821191
What level? Yes they can do nova rounds very well thanks to bursts are appropriate combos.
My 5th level Steelfist Commando Warlord with Broken Blade does an average of ~ 112.5 damage on a nova around, assuming all of their attacks from Steel Flurry Strike hit and they've used the Bronze Knuckle boost and are in Pugilist Stance.
That's unarmed, too. I'm sure someone would cheese it and somehow get a greatsword mixed into there. Probably better on a Stalker, too, who could re-roll attack rolls and increase over-all crit chance.
>>47821297
Oh duh, I forgot PA damage.
Speaking of damage...
Is [2d6 + 1d6 + 1d6 + 13] an acceptable damage roll for a level 5 Warder focusing on AoO/battlefield control? Should it be higher at this level? I'm not expressly trying to be doing as much damage as possible, I'd just like to know if this is garbage or not. The party has a supportive caster, me as the control character, and two DPR machines, so my damage can be a bit eh, but if that roll is shit then I'll need to work on upping it.
We've yet to fight anything truly fearsome (session 3 this weekend) so I don't know firsthand how my damage compares to the party or the enemies...
>>47821308
Just in general.
I like playing nova characters and my GM is introducing PoW into our next game, so I was looking at my options.
>>47821329
That's 27 damage, which is passable at level 5. Optimized DPR at level 5 using CRB is around 15. Though I will remind you, that calculation is using a Falchion Fighter with Core Rulebook Only and not reflective of 1pp material's power level anymore, including the Fighter who has gotten better over the years at damage output.
If you're a Soulknife with Focused Offense and you use a two-handed mindblade, do you add 1.5x your Wis bonus to the damage?
>>47821164
>Since I believe everything should be balanced around Core so it doesn't cause a powerclimb, I chose CRB only.
( - 3 - )p
>>47821349
If you want to do big damage nova rounds then look at Broken Blade, Thrashing Dragon and Primal Fury. Black Seraph and Scarlet Throne can do some decent damage setups as well, but not as easily as those three.
Personally? I would do Thrashing Dragon primarily. If you go Dexterity, try it with two Wakizashi using the Daisho Expert feat from Path of War Expanded, and of course Weapon Finesse, Deadly Agility and Piranha Strike. If strength based, grab Prodigious Two Weapon Fighting and dual wield scimitars like our Lord and Savior Drizz't do'Urden.
From there, you primarily use Thrashing Dragon maneuvers, but you'll want to pick up some key strikes from Primal Fury, such as Raging Hunter Pounce which lets you pounce.
Proceed to make shitloads of attacks every round even when you move. Enjoy skirmishing and doing big damage.
I fucking hate the bardadin meme. It's just a vehicle for people to try and force their fetishes.
>>47821400
I don't agree with his statement either, but it does provide a useful baseline for dpr on Basic Bitch builds. Something that Paizo doesn't seem to want to move past with their own material when it comes to melee brutes, which is useful if you do any of their (older) APs.
>>47821433
>>47821458
Isn't that a sword and board oradin?
>>47821458
To be fair Sophitia is like some kind of weird Paladin/Monk gestalt.
>>47821472
I don't have anything that gives off a bard impression, though...
>>47820747
NO THEY ARENT THEYRE THE BEST.
THEIR SPUNKY GO-GETTER ATTITUDE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR SETTING.
>>47821472
Ordains don't grapple and smash people's faces in with their gigantic ass, anon.
>>47821495
So it's an oralord?Oracle Warlord
>>47821487
Her massive..... Charisma score.Haters can hate, this is still my favorite version of her. Her little sister fits the spunky swordlady thing better. Sophitia in story was always kind of serious despite her sillier moves like the butt slam.
>>47821519
Don't Oracles get some mystery that adds Charisma to AC? And clearly she would have high Dexterity so she can two-weapon fight with the sword and shield effectively.
>>47821458
Sophitia would be some kind of Warpriest, I think.Soul Calibur would make for a great campaign setting.
>>47821551
Cha-to-AC is in place of Dex. If she's a warlord, she could take that one feat that lets her use her Str in place of Dex for TWF requirements.
>>47820806
Kobolds are shit-tier monster girls and you should feel bad getting thirsty for one.
If you need a monster girl just go for a dryad or Huldra like a normal human bean.
>>47819183
I was an insane elf wizard who got drugged up in the ghetto which ended with him being in a foursome with some random elves. When he woke back up the elves left and he continued on with his party, though a bit confused.
There were not much details on what happened the day but for the most part my character laments on the fact that he will never be able to see his sons / daughters or play baseball with them.
>>47821044
>>47821207
How do you tell when you've hit the DM's fetish, anyway?
I want to know for reasons, mostly to test the waters and see what rubs our DM the right way.
>>47821458
Those tits are great but I can't get enough of a girl with braided platinum blonde hair.
Frozen was an experience.
>>47821602
Those are shit.
Kobolds make great wives.
Fight me right now.
>>47821602
Druid please go and stay go
>>47821634
Has fetish become a by-word for 'things I like that could become sexual sometimes but not always'?
>>47821213
At its core, bondage is about bondage. Consent is great, trust is great, and your community can try to police itself all it wants, but you can't redefine the word to exclude the shitty ones.
>>47821585
Perfect! I must make a Walord/Oracle now with Silver Crane, Iron Tortoise and Broken Blade.
>>47821634
You look under the table, obviously. Depending on your end goals, if the DM asks why you've dipped beneath the table three times before the session is half through, either say you're tying your shoelace or blowing the player to your left and/or right.
>>47821843
>what are safe words
Not a discussion for this thread, though, so I'm stopping here before mods drop the hammer on it.
My first ever character death just happened yesterday.
I've got a few questions for experienced GMs:
How do you go about introducing that player's new character without it being a shitty asspull? You can't give me direct advice since you don't know the game I'm running, and that's not what I'm asking for. I'd just like general tips on how to do it smoothly.
Second, what do you do if the party resurrects the old character? Where does the new one go? Do you let the player have two? Relegate one to NPC? Both seem unfair, don't you think?
For those curious, the PC was a Warder. I set up a scene where the party was to watch a bunch of really strong enemies slaughter random peasants to set them up as new villains. The game's taking on a guerilla-resistance-group "sabotage and skirmish" style, you see.
They were hiding in a basement with a small window they could peek thru, lead there by an NPC. The Warder wouldn't stand for the senseless slaughter and ran outside, despite the warnings both in-game and out-of-game. He even made 2 consecutive strength checks to break free from the party trying to restrain him. He got an Extended Defense off and let about 15 peasants escape, but died the next round.
The player's fine with this outcome, don't worry about that.
/pfg/, why are we so weird?
>>47821943
We are what is left over from people who actually play the game. We all hate the game. We're the undesirables, the dregs.
>>47821943
Spoiler alert:
Everyone in the fucking world is weird and has some kind of freaky fetish.
They just keep it on the down-low because they don't want to ruin their rep.
Here we're all Anon, so every scumbag autist here feels no shame in talking about their cock vore fetishes because no one knows who they are.
>>47821634
I play online, so my DM just PMed me after the session and told me my character concept had them hot and bothered. It turns out that enchanters with questionable morality turning people into drooling meat puppets is apparently really hot. It's a damn shame I only got to use that sorcerer for a single oneshot. I never actually got to try to dissuade anyone from turning him into a husbando.I TOLD YOU IT WAS A JOKE CHARACTER, GM. HE'S NOT A FLUFFY TAIL HUSBANDO, HE'S A PSYCHOPATH WITH ATTACHMENT ISSUES.
>>47821978
>Make a character
>GM really likes it
>Really
>Likes
>It
This has happened too many times to me
>>47821974
>vore
Someone explain that one to me, please. I know what it is, I just don't understand why.
>>47821978
>carefully avoids saying whether the DM was male or female
Place your bets, fuckers.
>>47822002
See, cock vore might imply the eating of penises, but it's so much worse.
It's when someone is somehow eaten and digested by a humongous penis.
Usually a woman's.
This is going far off topic, though. Let's stop here.
>>47822027
Really? Most of the CV I've seen has been M/M.
