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>That story
OH BOY HERE WE GO
>>47786478
Finally,
idiots can no longer claim Naihir wasn't in the helvault.
>>47786478
>Nahiri decides the world is fucked and goes on a revenge spree
>4 nobodies manage to save the plane
she's going to join the gatewatch out of thanks isn't she? and wow she is really dumb and doesn't seem to get Sorin if she thinks he wanted her to prove herself.
>Sorin is a dick and my world was fucked up, this justifies destroying his world and the suffering of everyone on it.
Nahiri is just as dumb and childish as he is.
>>47786721
Naw, she's going to finally find out that Zendikar is safe just after unleashing a multiplanar level threat
Fucking hell Wizards, all that text and so little information. The helavault thing would have at least been a nice twist if Maro didn't let it slip weeks ago.
>>47786725
Seems like an issue with all Planeswalkers. The only ones who aren't are Ugin and Bolas, and that's mostly because they're just asshole dragons.
>>47786737
>Nahiri's fw she just fucked a plane for no good reason
>>47786740
Or if it wasn't already completely obvious.
>>47786749
Ugin and Bolas are like the biggest dicks in the multiverse.
>>47786725
Basically this.
Sorin and Nahiri might make up if Nahiri comes to her senses and Sorin gets over the whole daughterfu killing ordeal
>>47786737
>Nahiri believed that Zendikar was doomed
>Literally a year later and some chucklefucks saved it and are rebuilding already
All in all this fucking confirms the fact that oldwalkers are pants-on-head retarded
>>47786753
>Hfw she realizes not only did she fuck up Innistrad but most likely doomed Zendikar again
>>47786775
I don't see him getting over that, he's lost his Angel, his home/family and his plane is about to be nommed by the spaghetti monster. If he forgives her it will be retarded, he's called 'Grim Nemesis' for a reason. He's fucking pissed.
>>47786775
>oldwalkers are pants-on-head retarded
>>47786737
what Multiplanar threats are left? Bolas, Phyrexia, Eldrazi? It has to be one of those
>>47786478
As Always: Sorin did nothing wrong
>>47786775
>Sorin
>getting over anything
He is the master of grudges and if Nahiri doesn't shove a sword in his gut before she finds out Zendikar is safe, Sorin will definitely do the gutting to her at some point.
>>47786844
>He is the master of grudges
Urza and Yawgmoth would like to have a word with you.
#TeamNahiri
>>47786806
I'd like to think that Nahiri is trying to prep Innistrad for a Phyrexian invasion but I know it's probably Emrakul
>>47786875
Both are dead mate, Sorin is still standing.
>>47786902
its going to be emerakul.
I really can't think of any thing to suggest it isn't.
>>47786915
This is grasping, but.......
>Moon of Metal
>Nahiri creating metal spires all over the plane
>pic related
>>47786915
Wizards practically confirmed it with that one article where they point out tentacles the whole time in the artwork.
>see that fucked up architecture? Corruption!
You could not spell it out any harder, it's so obviouslyMarit Lage
>>47786915
>>47786954
>>47786958
>Implying it isn't going to be all three
>>47786478
>Sorin is an autistic asshole, surprising nobody
>Nahiri is a childish asshole, surprising nobody
Fucking Oldwalkers. The Mending was long overdue.
>>47786968
>yfw the First Partition of Innistrad
>>47786749
Ugin is absolutely a dick. He's just more subtle about it than Bolas is.
>yfw driving Avacyn mad and getting Sorin to kill her was a mercy killing on Nahiri's part
>yfw Nahiri did nothing wrong.
>>47786478
Honestly, as much of an overreaction as Nahiri is having, fuck Sorin here, I'm on her side if I have to pick one. But I'd rather pick the side of "fuck this shit, you're both morons".
>>47787032
A mercy killing? Fight me mate.
>>47787041
For normal people, it might be an overreaction, but for planeswalkers and oldwalkers at that, I don't think so.
Sorin imprisoned her the Helvault for a shit long time, forcing her to recreate Zendikar in painstaking detail to not go mad. She gets out and goes back to her home after finding out she was powered down. When she gets there, the Eldrazi have been freed, tearing across Zendikar, and have wiped out at least one continent.
So she lithomances her way to Zendikar, and yeah
Bala Ged is kill, leading her to the realization that the Zendikar she spent all those years in her mind nurturing and creating is flat out gone, destroyed, because Sorin wanted to keep his plane safe from Nahiri instead of taking a road trip to Zendikar to check on the locks.
She could have resealed the lock on the eye
she could have been like "No Nissa, that's dumb"
But now, all she sacrificed for, all Zendikar sacrificed for is shit as far as she knows because a certain dragon told her that the Eldrazi couldn't be destroyed, and she didn't have the means to trap them again.
>>47786478
This entire mess exists because of Sorin can't communicate for shit and Nahiri couldn't be be the bigger wizard and planeswalk away.
>>47787206
>Nahiri can't be the bigger wizard and planeswalk away
partially because he shoved her in his extra dimensional closet.
>>47787141
>>47787206
>>47787032
>"Not now," said Sorin, with infuriating calm. "Later, perhaps. This is a critical time—"
>"Go home, Nahiri," he said wearily. "End this farce, and I will allow you—"
>"I never asked for your trust, child. Only your obedience."
He made all his points clear, he offered a truce and all. she just didn't wanted to listen
>>47787447
>Hey, let's make an alliance to protect our planes
>Sounds good
>WTF Man, you didn't hold up your end and now my plane is fucked
>Oh well, let's call it even.
>>47787468
You are trying to tell a millenia old vampire what to do? thats gonna end bad
>>47787468
The plane wasn't fucked at that point, she sealed them away again and shit was all good. She is just being a spoiled brat.
>>47787041
How is it an over reaction. Naihiri was basically coerced into using her home plane to house planar destroying threats "for the good of the multiverse" with the promise should the need arise they will come to her aid to prevent the Eldrazi from escaping.
When that happens and neither shows, she goes to find out why. The reason (for sorin) is basically "piss off, my plane is protected"
Her biggest mistake was trying to force Sorin to assist, but she gets locked up in the helvault for her troubles. All of this leads to the release of the eldrazi and destruction of basically all of Zendikar. Which is what Sorin and Ugin said they were going to help prevent.
>>47787447
Sorin really isn't in the right here. His plane isn't housing the Titans. If you flipped the scenario could you imagine how angry Sorin would be if Nahiri and Ugin didn't show up to help his plane?
>>47786478
So almost immediately after Avacyn Restored ends, events are already near the ass end of BFZ's plot?
>>47787206
To be fair to Nahiri, she figured that if she walked home without showing Sorin who was boss, she figured that Sorin would permanently be her enemy and that he'd later take the opportunity to fuck her shit up for her trangression on Innistrad.
>>47787526
>expecting someone to fulfill their end of the promise that you effectively gave up your life beyond one plane for is being a spoiled brat.
Serena go and stay go
>>47787549
No, because ulamog was still in Bala ged and hadn't hit the road yet.
>>47786844
>He is the master of grudges and if Nahiri doesn't shove a sword in his gut before she finds out Zendikar is safe, Sorin will definitely do the gutting to her at some point.
>Implying once they find out the Jacetice League killed TWO TITANS IN JUST TWO WEEKS OF WORK, and Ugin probably knew they could do that, they aren't going to flip shit and go murder the dragon together.
>All according to Bolas's keikaku
>>47787556
>Expecting something of someone
This is where your argument goes wrong
>>47787547
Maybe, but we don act on what wold have done him if... Nahiri just needed to planeswalk away and everything would have been good. she just wanted to fancy how she was now more powerful that him, and that was shown in the article.(and that is taking in account that he just didn't vindicated her ass up just because he was tired)
Fuck Sorin and his shitty world. Justice for Nahiri.
>>47787556
Wasn't me mate. I'm playing Overwatch.
>>47787603
>Nahiri just needed to planeswalk away and everything would have been good
Would it though? Sorin already proved he didn't particularly care about Nahiri, or Zendikar. Who knows if he would have actually come to help
God damn gay sparkly vampire faggot.
Nahiri has every right to tear him and his plane a new asshole.
tl:dr
Nahiri: "yo dude, long time no see. I lit the homing beacon and you never showed, but it's cool I handled it because I'm a boss like you now"
Sorin: "Oh, my phone was on silent because of this Helvault and stuff that I built to protect my plane. Guess it really did its job after all."
N: "So you blocked my number?"
S: "Nah, I blocked everybody's number. Ain't got time for other people's problems"
N: "not cool man. Just come with me to check on it real quick and we'll be cool, tho."
S: "Too tired, go bug Ugin."
Nahiri starts a fight to establish dominance
N: "Notice me senpai, I'm as strong as you now"
S: "w/e. Avacyn got this"
More scuffling, Sorin calls time out
S: "go to your room. BTW the Helvault is your room now."
N: "You'll pay for this!"
Cue millenia of totally-not-going-crazy
Helvault Breaks
N: "What's this blood crap coming out of me, and why am I so basic again?"
'walks to Zendikar
N: "Shit, Ulamog is out. Guess Zendikar is toast. Better go revenge on Sorin instead of trying to help or anything."
correct me if i am wrong
>>47787650
>She alone resealed the hedrons
>She would have been there to prevent nissa's stupidity
It would have never gone wrong
>>47786902
I want this only because it's the only threat we know is nearly impossible to beat and because I really want to see Vampires, Werewolves and Humans fight together against Phyrexians.
Plus those sweet sweet flip cards where one side is normal and the other side is a compleated version of the front
>>47787603
>Nahiri just needed to planeswalk away and everything would have been good.
No it wouldn't. Sorin had still broken his word. He made a promise. He broke his promise. And he didn't even have a particularly reasonable excuse.
Saying "well, Nahiri just needed to planeswalk away" is literally the same as "well, Sorin just needed to take a five minute trip to Zendikar" in this scenario.
>>47787675
After the mending we have no idea if she could single handily seal everything like she did the first time the seals broke.
>>47787700
Sorin was tired and couldn't do shit. it would've been futile.
>>47786762
>>47787013
Was talking about childish. They're definitely assholes.
>>47787693
>Phyrexia
>Nearly impossible to beat
>>47787668
You are not wrong but I don't get what you are trying to get across with it.
>>47787714
So fucking what? He's an Oldwalker, he can handle a short jaunt to double-check some wards.
>>47787711
>>47787675
>Nahiri fell to her knees, pressing her hands into that lifeless dust.
>If this was loose on her world—
>If what happened here could happen everywhere—
>If she had no preparations, a thin shard of her old power, and a hedron network centuries out of true—
>Then the Zendikar she knew was dead. There was no saving it. One might as well try to stop the sun in the sky.
It's certainly implied that she wouldn't be able to reseal them anyway. She might have been able to re-lock the final ward that Sorin failed to do when Nissa decided the Eldrazi might just leave, but that's no different to Sorin himself.
>>47787711
Or if she'd even be alive
>>47787714
>friend shows up at your house because you were supposed to meet up
>you just finished giving birth twice and can barely even stand
>tell friend to leave you alone because you really can't be arsed to go out now
>repeatably tell him to just fuck off and don't be such a bitch about it instead of explaining what you just finished doing and asking him to just go out the next day
>even locking your friend up in your garden shed for a few months because he wouldn't leave you alone
>expecting things to not be FUBAR
>>47787786
>But the league of friendship can
The argument is invalid
>>47787711
It certainly wouldn't have hurt. Sorin presumably had a way to fix it, and Nahiri wouldn't have needed Nissa.
Only Oldwalkers had infinite lifespans, right?
Does that mean that Nahiri can now, since the Mending took her everything, die of old age?
Reminder that Nahiri wouldn't even be alive to affect Zendikar so her being locked up in the Helvault is irrelevant.
>>47787858
Yes
>>47787858
Yes, she'll age as any Kor would. I don't know how much we know about their lifespans, though. She could use some method of immortality, if she can find or develop one.
>inb4 Nahiri ends up as one of the good guys in Eldritch Moon and the Friendship League makes a deal with her to help her kill Sorin for his shit, then kill Emrakul together
And this Boys and Girls teach us is why you shouldn't use Wisdom and Charisma has dump stats.
>>47787896
>Implying Sorin's the bad guy
>Implying Sorin and Nahiri won't join the Jacetice League as the angsty dad and hothead who fucks things up
>>47787945
Screw you, I'm doing perfetly fine with my 7 points in bothso far!
>>47786832
He is rapidly becoming my favorite living oldwalker.
He may be an asshole, but hot damn is he better and more sensible than these other chucklefucks.
>>47788072
If they kill off Sorin I will be sad
>>47788092
If they do, it'll hopefully be in an anime-as-fuck sword clashing draw where both he and Nahiri die.
>>47786478
>the Titans are beyond measure and hope like the cosmic horrors they are
>except for when the Jaceketeers 2 birds 1 stone this shit lol
>>47787032
That art is too cute. CUTE!
>>47788132
If one of them has to die they should both die, they're equally as responsible for this shitshow.
>>47786478
>"I never threatened you," he said, looking up at her. "Not once. If we are to be enemies, child, the blame falls solely at your own feet."
>>47787032
>Another being grievously wronged by Sorin Markov, one with no chance of vengeance or redress. No chance of freedom. A porcelain doll, to replace the student he had lost.
She was just jealous of Avacyn getting her place
>>47787860
She might have been alive
Also, there is the whole trapped in inky blackness
>>47787668
>helvault turned nahiri into a basic bitch
kek
>>47787700
She didn't exactly give him the opportunity to explain why he was fucking busy. He didn't say he wouldn't go to zendikar, he just said not right now. He was fucking busy.
>>47788527
Yeah, part of their decision to write Avacyn with as little personality as possible means there's no real reason to have her actually interact with things or explore what could have been a fairly interesting dynamic with both Sorin and Nahiri.
So they just share a look, and Nahiri feels zero guilt about driving her insane and making her murder the people she exists to protect purely in hopes it will make Sorin feel bad.
>>47788072
Too bad he's pretty much guaranteed to die in EM
>>47788631
The real issue is how schizophrenic they are with how she's written, she has personality and emotions in some stories but in others she's just a robot. It's really annoying.
>>47788861
Based on the fact that when Doug was asked about if Avacyn knows about Sorin creating her and responded with three scenarios, two of which involved a fairly strong emotional response on Avacyn's part and all of which indicate she has a strong personality and is, y'know, a person, while another guy on the creative team was pretty blunt with his view that "Avacyn's a robot," I feel like creative disagreed on the matter and the boring side won.
>>47788638
Don't say that. They couldn't possibly be stupid enough to kill their only interesting character, right? RIGHT?
>>47788638
I want to believe he'll live and Avacyn will return, dammit.
>>47788936
He will live, but Sigarda will replace Avacyn
So, why did Sorin create the Moon anyway? Is it just something to bind the power of Avacyn too? Is it a bigger Helvault? If so, for what?
>>47788861
They made it fairly clear that.she was more robotic as a newborn, then developed a more nuanced personality as she grew. This story shows her (for the most part) as a newborn. That's why she's robotic in this one, and emotive in others.
What bothers me is that they described her.eyes as black the whole time.
You know, none of this would be a problem if you would just let all be one.
>>47788982
Thank you, based Plaguelord.
>>47789013
what?
>>47788895
How sad. Though even recently she's had stories with personality, during the start of 'A Gaze Blank and Pitiless' she's not very roboty at all. I feel like they had to have her be aware of Sorin so that Nahiri could have seen them together so that her actions against Avacyn were justifiable in her eyes. Otherwise she'd just be torturing an angel for her own ends.
>>47788936
I want to believe this is a chance for Avacyn to come back free of Sorin's influence.
>>47788979
Bothered me too.
>>47788974
As far as I can tell, the moon was always there, but after sealing the Eldrazi Sorin figured out how to harness a bit of it to create a dungeon dimension for the fucking demons everywhere to get thrown in.
I suspect the fact there's like a hundred Helavaults worth of moonsilver in the night sky will come into play at some point if this isn't "well, we pulled some bullshit to save Zendikar, let's fuck Innistrad to raise the stakes again."
>>47788982
There's still hope, brother. All will be One.
>>47789030
Then why did Nahiri had no control over it, and she failed her lithomancy knowledge on it as well as on the Helvault?
>>47789064
It's something weird and beyond the power of lithomancy but I believe it's something Sorin found and harnessed, not created.
So how much can we bet that part of Eldritch Moon's promo material will be "On which side are you on?!" because they damn sure built things up for something like that.
>>47789101
Sorin might not get a lot done, but last I checked he never intentionally tried to destroy an entire inhabited plane out of spite.
>>47789101
Avacyn's side.
>>47789101
Norn's side
>>47789138
This, basically. Yeah, Sorin's a jerk, but Nahiri jumped to conclusions so hard she flew over theEldritchmoon
>>47789218
Eleshfags get OUT
>>47789101
Weremilf's side
Alright,
post your stupid theories here.
>>47789396
The Raven Man is either Urza, Mishra or Yawgmoth trying to trick Liliana into reviving them
>>47789396
>Nahiri thinks she fucks with Sorin
>suddenly: Emrakul!
>"Oh god, I'm so sorry, let's be friends again to kill this bitch, I never wanted to help an Eldrazi."
>everyone is happy again
>>47789396
Emrakul is the smartest Eldrazi and only acted like a mindless destroyer because no one has ever stopped her before. She also can talk to people in their dreams, taking on the form of the person they can trust the most, taking on a facade based on the person's memories. She does this to get info or just to mess with their heads
>>47789396
Phyrexia is secretly in the moon and was seeded by Yawg thousands of years ago
>>47789442
>raven man is Mishra
yes please
>>47789467
>Sorin holds a grudge
>Nahiri awkwardly tries to appease him but usually makes things worse
>>47789396
Dimir Guild is made entirely out of Sleepers
>>47787589
>Nicol Bolas can barely take on Ugin by himself
>plus he's got a posse of a fucking world-breaking lithomancer and a millenia-old vampire
>break the team with squabbles over the multiplanar threat they locked up just outside a planar buffet
>if shit goes wrong with assassinating Ugin, manipulate events so a team of planeswalkers with attitude get guilt-tripped into cleaning up the buffet by accidentally kicking the doors open
>they kill the Eldrazi and Nahiri/Sorin find out Ugin lied the whole fucking time
>plus now you get an ally in a fucking pissed demon planeswalker with an empire
Nicol Bolas is the hero we deserve.
>>47789648
Bolas will make the Multiverse Great Again
>>47788974
Pretty sure the moon predates sorin.
I doubt even sorin knows what's in the moon since he's so autistic he probably doesn't even care enough to investigate. There's definitely something in there though, I'd assume some giant fucking dragon with that heron shape that will probably be released when emrakul gets shoved in there.which was the raven mans plan all along
Sorin at the height of his power was only able to break a sliver off the moon, whatever is trapped in there was put there by someone far more powerful than him
>>47789030
>I suspect the fact there's like a hundred Helavaults worth of moonsilver in the night sky
Emrakul's physical body is going to be trapped inside the moon, and is going to be what keeps her tethered to the plain. Sigardia is, as expected, going to become a replacement Avacyn except with the added duty of being on Eldrazi watch. This will all be Jace's plan. I can see it now.
>>47790051
>all of Innistrad's elves are trapped in the moon
>Nissa shows up and frees them
>much to Sorin's chagrin
>>47790301
That is so fucking retardedyet I know that's what they're going to do.
>>47790331
But only after bonding with Innistrad's naturesoulthing and accidentally turning all the werewolves into wereelves
>>47788932
Arlinn Kord and Tami are way more interesting than the edgelord. Fuck even Jace is getting up there
>>47789396
Jacetice League will never go away.
Question: by the power of the Zendikar trio combined...can they make a new helvault and avacyn....?
I mean they won't cause Sorin will just shove Ugin and Nahiri in it, but still.
Also is it just me or does sorin's pride make problems worse,
>*dick around on zendikar, elf chick gets suspicious and doesn't do Tue one thing I wanted*
>*stuff going wrong on my home plane, better beat up this random guy I found*
>* ancient dragon,dead looks like everyone's screwed*
>*my student's here, tell her to go jump off a bridge*
I'm pretty sure if Sorin swallowed his pride we wouldn't be in this situation..
At this point the only planes walkers that can fix innistrad are Ugin, Tamiyo, or Kord ...
>>47790896
What's Kord going to do, try to be friendly to the unapologetic serial killers that love being monsters in hopes they'll get on board with dropping "let's all gang up on humanity day" every day?
>>47790896
its unclear, oldwalker Sorin/Ugin/Nahiri couldn't seem to destroy the titans (Pretty sure Ugin at this point tried to destroy them rather then just capture them)
but new walkers could, so for all we know they could make a new avacyn and helvault
>>47790896
>yfw Garruk saves the day
>>47790925
Isn't she combined with some sort of wolfir power..
>>47789396
They will bind Emrakul to the moon. Innistrad's Roil will be of the mental variety, maybe with nightmares and horrors manifesting from the shadows of night.
>>47790980
No, her spark just let her control her own transformations.
ONLY her transformations.
The rest of the werewolves except that one wolfir pack that wasn't undone by Avacyn's fall are either living in freakish misery for the rest of their lives or psychopaths.
>>47790971
I never thought of that.,,,,,,
Make it happen wizards....
>>47790967
The Jacetice league making avacyn and a helvault...wow... what are the power levels even anymore?
>>47789020
>I want to believe this is a chance for Avacyn to come back free of Sorin's influence.
I am right there with you, though I'm not sure I have enough faith in the creative team to want to take this in such a complex direction. If she does return at all, it will be as part of the climax, giving us little to no new character development.
>>47791025
If that actually happens I will be 100% down for Yawgmoth being reborn and killing half of the walkers by slapping them with his dick.
>>47791088
Yup. Might as well just burn everything at that point.
>>47791104
I would be ok with Wizards nuking the entire Multiverse and starting over in a completely new timeline
>>47786478
Moral of the story.
Fuck Nahiri.
Fuck Sorin.
Fuck Innistrad.
Let this shit burn. Praise be to Emrakul.
>>47788936
>>47789020
>>47791044
>Avacyn got exiled
>WB walkers are best at returning shit to the field
>But only from the graveyard
>The place where Eldrazi processors put the things they process
>After they take them out of exileToo bad the processer brood got wiped out along with Kozilek
>>47791119
>Yfw Emrakul turns Innistrad into the sickest night club in all of the Multiverse
>>47791170
Would he name itPulse?
>>47791170
>Innistrad
>InnistRAD
post yfw Innistrad was doomed to be the funky night club of the multiverse from the start
>>47791200
>>47789020
A Gaze Blank and Pitiless was written by one of the better writers and it started with her doing good, rather than fighting sources of evil.
Even then, the whole point of that start was to establish that her basic programming is 'improve goodness levels in Innistrad, whatever that entails.' This can be done through slaying vampires and werewolves or through protecting innocents from basic sorts of harm - such as a child getting lost in the woods.
>Post yfw Avacyn returns as the WB angel to balance out the angel cycle
>Is free of Sorin's programming
>OMG Dad! I texted you like an hour ago, where were you?
I was busy.
>Busy with what? I really needed your help for my project!
Busy with work, couldn't mom help you?
>Mom didn't answer my text either, you're such jerks!
Language, young lady
>No, fuck you!
That's it, go to your room!
>I don't wanna!
*drags her up there kicking and screaming*
>Ugh, you're such a dick!
And that's how a lithomancer getsgrounded.
>Bolas had plans to release the Eldrazi
>They're out and and mostly ded
>Literally anyone important is dealing with them
>Ugin, Sorin, Jacetice League
>The exception is Liliana
>She's busy fighting Demons Bolas introduced to her
>Also fucked Garruk who is murdering walkers
>Bonus
>There is significant chance that Bolas at least knows of Ob
>Someone needed to reignite a spark
>Bolas has been shown to empower himself with Planar energy during Conflux
>Ob does this to reignite his spark
Bolas is pretty much free to do whatever he wants with no one significant to stop him. Ugin is busy studying dedrazi and hasn't regained any lost power, and everyone else is fucking off on Innistrad. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a story featuring Ob as he walks off Zendikar to his home or wherever, is fuming about and at the end he stops and Stares at Bolas waiting for him who says "Hello old friend. There is work to be done."
>>47791327
>spoiler text
I lost.
>>47791266
>>47790376
>>47790331
>Victorian elves
>were-elves
my dick can only take so much
>>47791327
You're making me remember Sorin being a dad in other threads.
>>47791358
>Hello, old friend. There is work to be done.
>>Yes, we must destroy the one named Nissa!
>What? No we-
>>AND THEN GET HER MEDDLING FRIENDS, TOO!
>Nixilis, I-
>>Curse the Gatewatch! They will soon feel the wrath of Nixilis and Bolas
>Ob, please. We have to-
>>Kill the Gatewatch! Take them down one by one!
>No, remember the plan we had? Y'know, total domination and-
>>Not until we destroy the thorns in our sides! They will be punished for what they have done to us!
>To you.
>>We will slaughter them!
>AFTER we complete our master plan.
>>There is no time! We must go to Zendikar and slay them now!
>This is why I wanted to work alone...
>>47791443
I loved that thread.
>Nahiri's fucking pissed.docx
I still can't believe we don't have a single god damned spoiler for the next set when it comes out in a month.
>>47791539
new art for new cards.
The one with Nahiri getting slammed dunked into the Hellavault is an Instant-speed Planeswalker put-in-the-bottom-of-your-deck spell
>>47791200
>>47791539
i know.
I am dying, I live not far from their HQ, I need to storm their building and steal their cards.
>>47787700
She literally attacked him every time he opened his mouth. Doesn't matter how old or swole you get, you don't disrespect your teacher.
Hell, an angel tried to stop her and she was far too deep in her muh planeswalker mentality to figure out why.
>>47790986
I'd actually be ok with that
>>47789396
Wizards is lying to us about Yawg being deader than dead.
>>47791653
Same here. Maybe sticking Emmy on the moon will make Werewolves more like Kord, due to Innistrad Roil reasons
>>47790545
>weremilf who is barely trusted by the humans she wants to 'protect'
>poor wabbit who's plane was so bad she has to hang out in Spooksville
Thanks man, needed that.
>>47789648
>>47791358
>Nicol Bolas, Elder Keikaku Legend
>Ob Nixilis, 80s cartoon villain
>Garruk, hunter of the most dangerous game>Sorin, after he realizes Jace manipulated his mind to help a repentant Nahiri escape his millenia-old grudge and generally tired of everyone's shit once Innistrad is fucked up - and saved - without him
I like how we have the Legion of Doom forming up slowly to oppose the Jacetice League.
>>47791802
I'm not sure if you agree or not, because both of those sound way better than edgelord vampire who's bored with life cause he's like soooo powerful and old XDDD
>>47791855
>>47790545
Wow. Now I know what shit taste looks like. Thanks anon.
>>47791884
And I'm glad sucking Sorins albino shlong has given you enough joy to ignore his stale by the numbers character
>>47792153
Don't be jealous.
>>47792192
I-I'm not jealous, baka!
>>47791802
>kamigawa
>bad
Found the shitter.
>>47792579
I liked it too m8 but you remember how it was to play, right?
Flavorful as all hell but the gameplay was pretty weak after the power trip instilled by Mirrodin.
>>47788442
>I'm a dick, but it's all your fault.
Yeah, nah, Sorin's a cunt.
>>47789513
>>raven man is Mishra
>yes please
Seconding this.
>>47787526
>and shit was all good
She was almost positive her new seal would last maybe an oldwalkers equivalent to 10 minutes, so she wanted to drag him back to fix that shit good.
>>47789396
The next time a member of the Jaestice league lands on New Phyrexia, they convince Koth to help them drop the red and green moons on the plane to melt and naturalize the whole thing with no survivors.
>>47795269
What would he have been able to do? This seems more like a lithomancy problem than anything else, what was Sorin supposed to do, bleed on it?
Everything Nahiri did made complete sense.
The only thing that didn't made sense was Zendikar actually getting saved and the Titans getting killed. And now she looks pants on head retarded.
She took hundreds of years to build the Hedron Network, and the Jacetice League just burned down two Eldritch Horrors like they were just 7/7 Vanilla Creatures. I knew that crap was going to snowball into the story and it did.
>>47795366
Are you saying that's a bad thing?
>>47795532
Probably double check her work, make sure the runes were right or the magic around them was flowing correctly. He clearly knew quite a bit about enchantments and wards that went across entire planes since Avacyn and the helvault were just the keypins to a huge stack of them while she was pretty much just good at making fancy rocks and recreated them from memory.
>>47795569
No, I would love for it to happen. Stop the New Phyrexia shitters in their tracks. I just realistically know it's not going to happen.
>>47795558
>N. "Wait, you killed the eldrazi. As in dead dead?"
>J. "Yeah, the hedrons were pretty key to making them mortal."
>N. "That lying dragon son-of-a-bitch."
>Nahiri shuts off her horror engine about three minutes before it drops an apocalypse on Innistrad.
>N. "Hey Sorin, sorry about all this mess. Let's just call it even, alright?"
>>47795619
I'm wondering if they're going to stick with the "you're not thinking about the consequences in your short-sighted need to save people right now" angle for Ugin or if at some point people trying to call him on not destroying the Eldrazi millenia ago will cause him to drop the "irritable mentor" act and remind the readers he's a fucking elder dragon Bolas seemed keen to avoid confronting one-on-one who's gotten mighty tired of the lippy little apes he gave very simple instructions to talking like their opinions matter.
>>47795558
No she doesn't because it shouldn't have been possible according to a certain dragon.
A problem a lot of us have is the separation of our knowledge and character knowledge.
Ugin made it seem like destroying them was impossible because it was extremely dangerous and who knows what role the Eldrazi played in nature.
Jace and co. cared more about the people of the plane than nature and we're willing to take that risk to defeat them, and it almost didn't work and wouldn't have if they had stuck to the plan of having Zendikar eat them.
>>47795619
>unable to fight ugin, she tells the gatewatch about Tarkir.
>>47795558
>>47795745
Each member of the gatewatch ends up with their enemy colored clan and brings back the enemy color
>Under Gideon the Kolaghan become the Mardu, warrior knights that have extensive military presence across the plane hunting down dragons and shit for glory and honor.
>Under Chandra, freedom and fire come back to the Ojutai, kindling the return of the Jeskai based on freedom and self expression. Plus she totally burned an ice dragon to death.
>Jace teaches the Atarka mind magic, and they use it to make all the Atarka dragons eat each other. Also accidentally gets connected to the Whisper and goes even crazier.
>Nissa just ruptures all the poison sacks inside the dragons because she canonically has done so before, and tells everyone to plant trees. These trees turn into joraga style elves who take the place of the naga, or at the very least make them all lamias.
>They lost Liliana in the desert. The Dromoka got zombie apocalypsed to death and she's parading Dromoka's corpse around as a mockery of the dragon.
Sarkhan is horrified at what has happened and joins the league of evil until he finds out Bolas is there. Then he just leaves.
Sounds like were getting some eldritch moon leaks next week so I won't be surprised if emrakul is revealed on Wednesday
>>47796179
Fucking hell, I really would prefer if we never see Emrakul until we get some no name plane to get wrecked.
>>47796648
To be fair, as far as the multiverse goes, Innistrad kinda IS a noname plane.
>>47788616
He told her to go away. He's not a neowalker, genuinely weak. Even a weakened oldwalker is still an oldwalker. Just going with her to check is not a great strain on his abilities. We see him discorporate and zip around Innistrad anyway, he's certainly not unable to do it.
>>47790967
Ugin never tried to destroy them, he very explicitly said they couldn't (he was lying), and even if they could (which was possible), they shouldn't (which is not certain).
While this whole Sorin vs Nahiri debate is interesting, what I find more interesting was Nahiri's description of going from oldwalker while in the Helvault to Neowalker.
We've seen before and after's with Liliana but nothing so immediate. Liliana's was after she had adjusted after all.
>>47797279
From what I recall from rereading it, Ugin actually takes special care not to say "they can't be destroyed," he says he doesn't KNOW if they can be destroyed but is sure they shouldn't be.
>>47797334
I thought it was something like "you can't kill the Eldrazi, they're creatures of the Blind Eternities that we can only barely survive in because of our Spark" or something. He admittedly said nothing about killing them by dragging them into the plane, probably because he knew it might work and didn't want anybody asking if it could.
>>47797308
Shouldn't she have been protected from the mending by the Helvault since she couldn't even connect to the Blind Eternities while inside there?
>>47797279
>>47797334
>>47797414
Ugin's an asshole? I thought he was the Good dragon counterpart to Nicol Bolas?
>>47797443
Nothing protects from the Mending - the Mending was a rewrite of the multiversal rules of both planar boundaries and what a planeswalker is. It was like rewriting the laws of physics.
>>47797445
Being an asshole doesn't mean you can't be good as well
Sorins a total asshole but is responsible for avacyn and innistrads humans not being wiped out.
>>47797445
Good or bad, a dragon is a dragon.
>>47797443
The helvault wasn't a change to her. As she described it "the walls were thicker" the mending was a change to the multiverse. She went from Oldwalker, to incorporeal nothingness in the helvault to neowalker. The difference between the first and the last must have been something.
>>47797693
>*the mending wasn't a change to her
>>47797445
There are two things that are always true, Rakdos is best girl and you can never trust an elder dragon.
>>47797818
>Rakdos is best girl
LIES
LIES AND SLANDER
Niv-Mizzet is best girl, as determined by Niv-Mizzet's patented Best-Girl-O-Tron
>>47797445
Ugin is Exhibit B of Shadowrun's "never cut a deal with a dragon" phrase.
>>47797443
Think of it as an software update when she finally connected back to the blind eternities
What actually is the Mending? I know it basically downgraded planeswalkers from gods to demigods and that it was used to deal with the timebullshit from Time Spiral, but how did it go down?
As thanks, a fish.
>>47798535
Rifts ripped open across planes, sapping the lands of their mana and making the realities of said planes unstable, so planeswalkers sacrificed their sparks or themselves even to close the rifts and save planes from collapsing, after all that the multiverse changed and planeswalkers were no longer godlike beings.
>sorin stands helpless as emracool jazzes his berries all over innistrad
>the raven man steps out from the shadows
>it was me all along sorin, I was the architect of all your pain
>>47795532
I think shhe just wanted him to keep his promise
>>47795619
>Hey Sorin, let's call it even
The voldaren line has been called, there is no pretty end for herAnd i don't pity her, fucking chalky cunt
>>47788072
If only he had some basic social skill, nearly every story with him is basically "Sorin didn't say half the thing he should say and problem ensue". Like the whole Innistrad crisis could have been averted if Sorin said to Nahiri "sorry I just created defense for my plan and I need a bit of rest" the first time instead of Helvaulted her.
>>47801222
He didn't need her trust, he needed her obedienc
>>47801245
Yes and instead of having Nahiri saying "Yeah ok, I understand you wanted to protect your plane, just warn me next time." he got her saying "I WILL FUCKING DESTROY YOUR FUCKING PLANE."
>>47801344
Moral of the story: Sorin sucks at communicating, Nahiri sucks at interpreting situations, and both of them are arrogant/prideful as sin.
And never trust an elder dragon.
>>47798582
What caused the rifts?
I was always under the assumption it was due to Yawgmoth's shenanigans
>>47801684
Urza
More specifically, the various wars caused by Urza and the time-shattering kabooms they made
>>47801684
Planeswalker fuckery.
Basically (and this is a very basic account, which may get some details wrong), what happened was that the rifts resulted from imbalance between the Multiverse and the power of Oldwalkers (which is why you needed to throw Oldwalkers into them or have Oldwalkers sacrifice their spark to them to repair a rift), drawing mana directly from the Eternities, casting cataclysmic spells, and so on. Admittedly, they COULD be caused by non-walkers if enough mana was expended, but Oldwalkers were the single biggest cause, because they tended to have the most power. For example, the one of the biggest was the Madaran rift, created by Nicol Bolas and a leviathan during a battle early in Bolas' lifetime, his first-ever planeswalker duel (the battle itself shredded something like a third of a continent to go with it).
And because the rifts in Dominaria were too great for it to self-repair, if Dominaria went, as the centre of the Multiverse at the time, then every other plane would go with it.
What ultimately resulted was that somebody (Jaya?) sealed the major rifts, and once the last one was closed, Dominaria was healed, which spread to the multiverse, and also forced the scales back into balance, drastically depleting the power of the Spark to what it is. Oldwalkers were no more, losing their immortality, godlike magic, and so on (mostly, they arguably are or can still be more than normal mortals, but just having the Spark isn't godhood in itself).
>>47801962
Teferi was the one that unfucked shit
>>47801221
>Caring about the Voldarens when she can just sink into the ground and go to a different plane.
Nah, she'll be fine.
>>47802606
Yet apparently their help was important enough that he agreed to kill his daughter to get it.
>>47802680
Well duh, if Nahiri was planning to fight to the death on Innistrad he'd like a horde of vampires on his side.
But if she calms down and leaves, then they can't do shit anyway.
>Daughter
Please, she was his malfunctioning scale. He was more dissapointed that he had to break his work as an oldwalker to kill her, ruining Innistrad's balance.
>>47802764
>Sorin called her his child and she referred to herself as his daughter in "I Am Avacyn".
Nah. He considered her his progeny. And technically, she was. They even resembled each other.
And all this fuckery could have been avoided if NAhiri wasn't in tihat time of the month and Sorin hs get in all his millenia of unlife enough common sense to say "Nahiri, I'm a bit drained by setting up this ugly stonework could you give me just five minute and then we will go check the Eldrazi and maybe see what happened to Ugin and maybe get a phone whit a better reach"
