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>Rules databases
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>FAQs
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>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
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First for the Enclaves
>>47554659
It's actually Tau vs Imperium, but you're right. I just wasn't sure.
>>47554681
YEah, but it takes place on a "small" forgeworld, and the only confirmed factions are Kel'shan Tau,AdMech with 30k stuff, and Red Scorpions with 30k stuff. And maybe some actually-insane battle automata.
>>47554673
Are Greenwing DA any good? I want to play them without turtling.
I find funny how one of the Sept previously know for being "The Artists" is now the Riptide Spammers. I guess "artist Sept" was too lame for a wargame.
>>47554680
FUCK YOUR SHIT AUTISTIC WEEABOO FAGGOT XENOS SCUM! IMPERIAL GUARD REPORT IN!
>>47554733
RIGHT HERE, SIR! WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THESE XENOS!
CAD - 1750
++Chaos Space Marines++
+HQ+
Typhus (warlord) 230
Chaos Sorcerer (Mark of Nurgle, Bike, ML3, Sigil of Corruption) 170
+Troops+
30x Cultists (Plague Zombies) 130
7x Plague Marines (Meltaguns x2, VotLW, Rhino) 195
+Fast Attack+
5 Chaos Spawn (mark of Nurgle) 180
+Dedicated Transport+
Rhino - 35
+Lord of War+
Chaos Knight Paladin (Daemon Knight of Nurgle [Daemon, IWND & Hatred (Tzeentch)]) 450
Chaos Daemon Allies:
++Allied Detachment++
+HQ+
Great Unclean One (ML3, Exhaulted Reward) 270
+Troops+
10x Plaguebearers - 90
>>47554719
Artist sept would have been great, if they had actually shown some models painted up from that sept with whatever neat patterns they used.
>>47554690
Leviathan Dread has 30k and 40k rules. 40k rules have a debuff and can't take the Radguns.
>>47554783
Tau without stealth fields apparently have a sort of active camouflage that can change the pattern on-the-fly.
>>47554836
Doesn't stop them from showing off color schemes for everything else.
Just list it under a header as (insert sept name here) Parade Armor and it's solved.
>>47554700
>turtling
What does it mean to "turtle"
Also green wing is just regular space Marines. Although we don't get access to the new dreadnought or rhino variants.
>>47554849
I would assume turtling refers to just hunkering down and playing a defensive gunline.
>>47554849
Turtling is when you sit in cover and don't move.
>>47554849
>What does it mean to "turtle"
Sit back in a defensive formation, pick off threats with your long range guns and punish anyone trying to get close to your army
>>47554864
>>47554867
>>47554868
That doesn't sound very fun.
>>47554820
Red Scorpions get more than just the dreadnaught, they get other 30k stuff, too, like the clawed drop pods.
>>47554899
It isn't, which is probably why he asked for a way to play that wasn't that.
>>47554899
generally you wouldnt just turtle your entire army, some armies like tau are geared towards having strong turtles mixed with small squads that move out to take objectives
>>47554906
In that case can't he just play it like normal marines? I mean it's not like its tau or anything.
>>47554934
he could just build around bikers and deep strikes for less "big men with big guns and good armor saves walking towards people"
>>47554778
>Gue've'sa
>>47554999
It's Gue'vesa
>>47555003
Chaos despise the godless above all else, they give exactly -1 fucks about how to spell that shit.
>>47555003
yeah okay whatever goyvespa
>>47554999
>>47555003
I believe it's actually G'u'e'v'e's'a
>>47555012
Then how come they have Abaddon as their Warmaster?
According to the Word Bearers and most recently Kharn, Abaddon is a faithless pretender who doesn't serve the will of the Chaos Gods.
>>47555003
Look at all these fucks I can not possibly give
>>47555028
Because watching something who think he is hot shit get reamed over and over is hilarious
>>47554733
Guardsman! By communicating with Xenos you have brought untold shame to your Immortal God-Emperor. Only by taking your life can you redeem yourself!
>>47555040
Not when he is your only hope at winning.
If Chaos hates godlessness, they wouldn't be betting on Abaddon and investing so much in him.
>>47555073
YOU ARE A MIGHTY GOD EMPEROR OF THE GREATEST IN THE GALAXY AND YOU'RE TALKING TO A LOWLY GUARDSMAN LIKE ME! YOU SHAME YOURSELF! THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU TO RESTORE HONOR TO YOURSELF AND THE ENTIRE IMPERIUM IS TO END YOUR OWN LIFE.
>>47555074
>at winning
chaos' followers don't give a fuck about "winning"
That's kinda why they have to be tricked, coerced and/or forced into accomplishing shit by their gods. Likely the reason behind picking an overgrown bully as their warmaster, too.
Anything new or incoming after these metal boxes/cargo crates?
>>47555144
I heard that there might bemetal bags
>>47555144
IA14 by early august.
>>47555144
Something about Lost Patrol is what I heard.
What are the odds of an Armoured Battlegroup update?
>>47555184
Extremely slim.
Are these things going to be in IA14? Or do I have to wait till HH Book 7? Which I assume is Burning of Prospero?
>>47555243
Probably both
>>47555261
Neat. Apparently all the robots are available now. They got locked up by Ad Mech and they got released, I believe they got locked under the minor Forge World the Tau invade and the Ad Mech release them.
Plus some stuff about Red Scorpions which is minor spoilers.
>>47554700
I hear Lions Blade is pretty decent but to me if you are playing Demi then you may as well use Codex Space Marine.
I can field 5000 points of Dark Angels without owning a single troop or transport.
>>47555309
yeah, but your stuff is purple and gold.
>Next Primarch is Russ
>Then Magnus
>Then Dorn
>Then Alpharius
Funny how the latter has been around for ages, yet is dumped back to the queue. Also, I need to finish my Lizardmen army (at least put it together) as the Ad Mech 30k stuff are coming soon.
But I have a question, are these weapons 'alt' loadouts? I can't tell what they are. R'varna Riptide? Y'vahra?
>>47555308
Yeah, but the robots are very old and crazy.
Had my first 500pt match on sunday as Tau and am thinking of moving to 750pt this sunday, any thoughts on this setup?
Darkstrider - 100pts
Crisis suit, 2x FB, Drone Controller (60pts)
Crisis suit, 2x flamer, TL (37pts)
Crisis suit, Plasma + TL Plasma (57 pts)
4x Markerlight Drones (48 pts)
9x Carbine FW, Carbine Shas'ui, Guardian Drone, Devilfish w/sensor spines and Dpod (212 pts)
10x Rifle FW, SMS turret (100pts)
2x Broadsides, TL Rail TL SMS, 1 with TL (135 pts)
Total 749 pts
>>47555347
Left is Y'Vahra, the flying close-rang flamer riptide.
The other is an XV9 Hazard suit, a sort of heavy weapons close range Crisis suit.
>>47555097
>chaos' followers don't give a fuck about "winning"
Shhhhiiiiiitt, anon. It's like you didn't read the Night Lords series.
A lot of CSm who joined Abaddon did so because they got tired of pointless reaving. They wanted to have a chance at winning the Long War.
>>47555330
>purple and gold.
Thanks for noticing me, senpai.its yellow, not gold.
>>47555369
Thanks anon.
>>47554733
Vostroyan Firstborn reporting for duty.
>>47554778
Nyet. My eyes what a horrible uniform.
>>47555347
>>47555369
Also note that unless they have upscaled the size of Hazard Suits, they arent as big as riptides.
>>47555347
>>47555369
Basically what this guy said. Y'Vahra has the standard loudout which can't change whilst the Hazard seems to be equipped with Pulse Submunitions Rifle which is a large blast horde-clearer, if I remember right.
>>47555455
Is Ivan going to beat that Tau with a wrench? He's the one where that back left.
Anyone know some good sites to get used models beside Ebay and /r/miniswap?
If anyone is searching for Grishnak stuff, add "models" to your Google search with their name. Popped right up.
Again, they're cool sculpts & less tits-out than Wargames Exclusive, but $10 more expensive than Raging Heroes for a squad of 5 regular Battle Sisters.
>>47555555
>>47555457
>>47555460
Can't wait for this book.
>>47555555
>it's a shill who gets the get :(
We are currently playing a lot of 500 point zone mortalis in my area. Since a lot of them are played on Space Hulk-ish battlefields (small corridors, a few large open spaces, doors, etc.) I was thinking of making a Genestealer heavy army.
What would you guys suggest? I have no experience with Nids, but looking at the book, stealers look terrifying, but I can't really see a good HQ to use for such an army.
>>47555555
Checked, for the Emperor
>Grishnak advertiser
I'll let it pass...
>>47555460
Hazards baseline is two TL Burst cannons. They can switch one or both out. Most recent rules is Taros 2nd Ed.
>>47555555
Yeah, but they don't look like shit like Raging Heroes or WGE.
>>47555610
>>47555555
>shill gets the get
This board deserved it
>>47555591
>>47555602
> shill
I literally told people they could get the same doe cheaper. There just seemed to be some interest. God knows I don't want to help Russians, those theocratic totalitarian fucks.
>>47555630
The basic battle sister squads look OK, really; so do the Seraphim. & to be fair, RH's Repentia aren't much more cheesecake-y than GW's.
>>47555555
>shill get
>>47555711
They're fine sculpts, but they are completely outside of the 40k aesthetic. It looks about as right as using a gundam to proxy a riptide. Regardless of how you feel about gundams, they aren't really in keeping with the Tau Empire's aesthetic.
>>47555361
Do you expect to get much use out of that devilfish when it's the only vehicle in the entire list?
Any more artwork of these dashing gentlemen? I know of only one other picture.
>>47555762
in the 500 pt match my carbine squad didnt have much luck being useful, they managed to move 12" getting shot up by bolters and then was stuck the rest of the match just covering the crisis suits
The idea was they use the devilfish to get into the middle and start being a major thorn that is hard to assault thanks to both the devilfish and darkstrider, while also having decent cover saves and an invuln save just in case
>>47554673
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What's a unit in your codex you've never taken?
What would make you take it?
>>47555881
>Riptides
>Being fair and fitting the fluff of my army better
>>47555881
>Rough riders
I'd take em if they had models and if they were tougher than a guardsmen.
>>47555881
Vespid
If they were jet infantry, not jump infantry
they have fucking wings, why cant they JSJ
>>47555881
>vespid
Cooler models?
They're not a terrible unit, but we've got so many better ways to kill MEQ, and there's nothing that makes them cool or unique enough to compete with the other options. They don't even need to be buffed, necessarily, they just need to be more fun or interesting to use.
>>47555917
Actually, just making them able to fly might be neat. Like miniature FMCs. I'd use them then.
>riptide / stormsurge
Hard to say. I hate the model, and I don't like the idea of suits that large at all. I don't know that I'd ever take one.
IMO, the only armies with non-vehicle models that big on the table should be Tyranids.
>kroot hounds / Krootox
Better rules, independent squads, or both. I like taking Kroot already.
Maybe I can find a use for Krootox in a future list.
>skyray
I dunno. Hate the model, don't care for the rules. Changing both is the only way. I don't mind the idea of the unit, unlike riptides.
>>47555711
>theocratic
maybe
>totalitarian
seriously?
>>47555972
>let them fly
ehh i wouldnt go that far, at that point you have a multi model flying unit, having skyfire would be a requirement just to make them fuck off
>>47556001
Maybe, they're really squishy though.
And they only threaten units at very close range. Plus, you can make it so they snapshoot at the ground while flying.
In the air, they're fast and durable but inaccurate. On the ground, they're glass cannons.
>>47555490
Its not a wrench, its a Vostryan pattern lasgun.
My friend went to the FLGS because he was interested in starting 40k.
The guy working there talked him into buying the Knights set because "it's a complete army in one box!"
>>47555881
Possessed.
Just making them W2 would go a LONG way to making them a viable unit to me.
>>47555490
He's just going to make sure his helmet is on tight and fully functioning.
>>47554778
Fucking heretical
>>47555490
That's the butt of a Vostroyan lasgun, which is worth more than the man who carries it and is probably centuries old in and of itself.
>>47556132
worst case scenario is he just adds a start collecting box to them and gets accused of cheese every match
>>47555881
Ironstrider Ballistae
If I didn't love lance-weilding chicken walkers so much.
>>47555881
> Howling Banshees
The only aspect warrior I don't have. Never liked the grillface look on Eldar helmets. I haven't seen their 7e rules but I assume they also still have their terrible str 3.
What's a kit you've had a lot of fun putting together and painting?
I'm looking for a change from Marines and Eldar. I picked up some Orks and they were a blast.
Needs more dakka.
Is The Eight fun to run as a 1500 list?
>>47556275
The Earth Caste. In charge of air-to-ground missile magnet designs since M41.
Is running an army of just Nurgle daemons viable or do you have to mix and match?
>>47556275
Are these anti-aircraft or nukes?
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear?
>>47556304
Yes.
>>47556250
So they got some very important buffs in 7e. They are still S3, but that isn't there biggest problem, they can even get furious charge and rage if you have an avatar nearby anyways.
They're biggest problem is that what they are now really good at is getting a sweeping advance. And they're best target is still Space Marines, which for stupid reasons can't be swept.
Good in Zone Mortalis now, and not utter garbo outside of it.
The buffs btw are they now don't suffer initiative penalty for going through difficult terrain, +3" to charge as well as run, prevent overwatch, and now only cost as much as a dire avenger. And the aspect host means you aren't fighting for elite slots.
As for the model, I kitbash most of my aspect warriors out of Dark Eldar and craftworld troop bits anyways.
>>47556304
What do you mean "or"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuclear_anti-aircraft_weapons
>This is how I Necron Overlord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXze55Z2GuY
>>47554778
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>>47556498
>>47556498
>>47556511
I appreciate the attempt to draw in new blood
But personally I have no hype for a snapfit orks and SM starter kit
>>47555347
>Riptide variant fluff
>Hazard suit fluff
>Commander Ra'lai fluff
>30k equipment for 40k
oh baby
>>47556524
I have hype for deffkoptas and cheep boyz.
>>47556314
But it's other weapon was already a D weapon, what's the point of a heavy rail rifle?
I don't understand
>>47556511
All that matters is the price of the box i might buy it for some friends who are trying to get into 40k
Do you prefer More Dakka or Bigger Dakka?
>>47556544
Might be longer range than 72" and have some variant D-rules like "5's count as 6's," also AP1. It'll still need a good few more buffs to the base Heavy Rail Cannon before it's worth a damn, though.
>>47556562
I don't have to choose
>>47556544
Submunitions
S8 AP4 Apocalyptic Barrage, give it Strikedown or Concussive or some shit
Or it is just a clone of that dumb as shit space marine superheavy with the beam of fuck you, the Glaive I think it is
>>47556511
I just want those boxnoughts. Cheap boxnoughts. For my legion. Fuck contemptors. Boxnoughts are life. Boxnoughts are love.
>>47555881
Landspeeder Vengeance.
Shitty Suped up Plasma Cannon that is as likely to kill itself than anything.
The only way I would take it if it was cheap enough to compete with the amazing Darkshroud.
I believe its 110+ and the Darkshroud is 80 with no upgrades and give stealth and fear in a six inch bubble. If you start an assault in that bubble you dont get overwatched.
Vengeance could be the exact same price and I would bring it like I bring my Deathwing... Out of pity
>>47556584
>Don't have to choose
>Vehicles literally have less weapons than Imperial equivalents
>Most Battlesuits can't bring bigger dakka, those than can don't bring much of it and lots of smaller dakka, like virtually everyone else's Lords of War
Anyone posted that page proving incoming chaos release yet?
Someone had to have saved it.
>>47555702
> Calling based Space 0din a shill
>>47556498
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>>47556614
where did you see that?
>>47556666
>based Space 0din
he might be less awful than most namefags, megasatan, but he's still a megafag no matter how much content he produces
>>47555003
Gue'what?
It's spelled H E R E T I C
>>47556314
Comp'n'sat'or ?
>>47556743
Compensating for nothing but Knights, which came first.
>>47556754
Remember when Tau didn't quite know why Titans worked and had to come up with clever ways to deal with them? Or am I just remembering the Age of Infantry wrong?
>>47556784
thats how the tigershark came into existance, after tonnes of R+D failures and losses vs titans they ended up inventing a fighter that not only rapes titans, but in comparison takes up next to no resources and time to build
>>47556784
Yep. They had to use strategic bombings, long ranged missiles, light cruisers from their space fleet, hammerhead squadrons, and borderline suicide crisis teams to try and topple them.
It was really cool and different.
>>47556784
Personally, I would prefer if they were anti-orbital weapons. They are fine as heavy artillery too.
>>47556784
New fluff is that it's basically one fire caste engineer inventing every suit riptide and larger.
I suspect that's a joke, and there's one GW employee who keeps designing the big Tau suits, and the fire caste guy is a reference to him.
FW just thinks cool things are cool ("we want to make a plastic warhound just because we can"), and has a boner for Tau.
>>47556816
From what I recall a Tigershark doesn't quite rape Titans so much as possess enough firepower to seriously put them in danger if they focus all their efforts on bringing it down, which is probably achievable with more things than most would believe, like the Imperium's Void-capable aircraft. That being said, it'd be a rare case that a fighter-bomber(?) would get that chance if the opponent is any kinds of competent.
>>47556891
Haven't Tau always won space battles, though?
I thought they were pound for pound much better than the Imperium fleet in every regard save FTL (and, obviously, number of pounds, so to speak ).
>>47556891
>From what I recall a Tigershark doesn't quite rape Titans so much as possess enough firepower to seriously put them in danger
Well there was that one time the Tigershark one-shotted a warhound titan and forced the other three to run away
>>47556917
Nah. Voidshields are much better than the Tau's equivalent and in general an individual Imperial ship is more dangerous in terms of raw sledgehammer capability. Their fighters are a little more matched, with the Tau gaining a slight advantage from their space-borne combat network in dogfights.
>>47556923
Forced the other two to run away, and that "one-shot," involved utilizing basically all of its missiles and weapons at the same time on a Titan that was already in combat. Makes sense, though, since the only thing that really makes big things like that difficult to bring down is shielding, as the dedicated large-scale weapons of 40k are capable of shredding through virtually anything with little issue.
>>47556917
Its unclear. Space battles are pretty poorly defined in 40k as is. Usually its 'dead even, so we can justify a ground war'
Generally, I think imperial ships have the advantage in size and power, while Tau ships have a smaller profile and faster firing guns.
I'd imagine its usually Tau ships slowly trying to wear the imperials down with giant railguns as the Imperials try to land a broadside with macrocannons.
>>47556891
There was that time Long strike headshot a warhound
>>47556917
I don't think so. I think space battles is one of the areas where the Tau are not the top dogs. It is compensate because they fight according to Cold War doctrine of spacecraft/missile carrier instead of Age of Sail or 19th century. Also Tau can't teleport troops/crisis/drones quite yet.
>>47556917
The Tau's original merchant fleet would get rekt in space battles, but the later new shiny fleet could hold its own against the Imperium, but they still lacked the numbers to go head to head.
>>47556979
why is that manta not just single handedly destroying that army
>>47556979
>Tfw you realize all those Skitarii are about to hit BS7
Cool fight fluffwise and for looks, crunchwise those Tau get tabled pretty fast.
>>47557004
Destroying a Warlord Titan is more than a seriously demanding undertaking without straight-up lancing the battlefield, which will kill everything within a few km radius.
>>47557004
From the looks of the setup, it's either being used for evacuation, or just landed to let off additional troops.
Or maybe there's heavier Imperium forces off screen that pose too strong an AA threat for it to take off.
>>47557004
For same reason that Warlord Titan isnt doing the same thing.
>>47556666
>namefag
>based
Fuck you, Satan.
>>47556979
>Tau holding the line
>some model of suit shooting fire down onto a giant Walker as it flies overhead
>stealth units flanking from the left
>admech pouring through a hole in the Tau fortifications
>crisis suits jumping the wall and launching a counter offensive
This is a cool setup
>>47556511
>Space Marine Terminator
Just one?
>>47556275
Coolest Supremacy shoulder weapon by far.
>>47557016
>Cool fight fluffwise and for looks, crunchwise those Tau get tabled pretty fast.
I dunno enough about Skit-Mech to say, but that's a LOT of Supremacy suits, Riptides, Stormsurges, and air support. Not to mention the crisis suits, piranhas, and stealth units going on the offensive and threatening side/rear armor.
If Tau get first turn, they're probably gonna clear half the table. Same is probably true of the reverse, though.
>>47557098
yuh
>>47555972
>The only armies with this common unit type on the table should be this one army
Are you retarded? Like, legit?
It is like these people saying terminators should be the only models with a 2+ save.
Am I the only one who thinks this rampant autism should go away? We would just be causing an insane amount of imbalance in an already imbalamced game by making very common concepts a one-army only thing. Not to mention you would be taking away what little certain armies still had away from them.
I don't think you realize how many armies have large MCs.
>>47556156
My mistake. The Vostroyans are going crazy on those Tau in that picture.
>>47557004
the manta is picking up an ethereal to run away
unfortunately there's a warlord within ten paces, and the ethereal is still gawking at the lip of the airpad
>>47556979
Is it mean to be a forgeworld? If so, how did the Tau get there first and build a full fortress?
>>47557198
Yep.
Vedros is launching alongside a bunch of "expansion" packs designed to keep the newbies hooked. Eventually you build a "normal" army, piecemeal.
You'll note that none of these expansion boxes are terminators. I can't explain that part.
>>47557198
Introduces new players to the concept of HQ, Elites, Troops, Vehicles
it comes with only 6 tac marines, so kinda makes sense that there is only 1 elite
>>47557264
The presence of an Ethereal suggests that the world is either contested or Tau-controlled, sending any of their Caste to an Imperial-dominated space is retarded and will almost certainly result in their loss once the Imperium or AdMech identifies it as a target.
>>47556559
it's 50$
>>47557270
>>47557291
But they have five Nobz.
>>47557216
Tyranids only have a handful of MCs with 2+ saves. What other MC heavy armies are you worried about?
>>47557294
Dont know if thats worth it for just 1 termie and 1 ork defkopta but you know its for a couple of friends and i dont know how much that would be in just normal boxes
>>47557216
>mad Eldar player
Because Eldar being switched to AV is such a problem, right? And the original post was about Tau.
So who the fuck does that leave, with MCs that are riptide sized? And aside from a handful of ancient Forgeworld sculpts?
Honestly the only other faction that deserves giant monster models is Chaos. Chaos and Tyranids should have a monopoly on that shit. Tau and Eldar walkers can suck a dick and be vehicles like everyone else.
>>47557313
Most armies with a proper unit selection have access to 2+ and MCs. Might I suggest you look up the rules for the different factions, instead of voicing uneducated opinions that makes it obvious how ignorant/stupid you are?
>>47557316
There's also the infantry, which makes it worth it. A deffkopta on Gw's website is 33.00 USD. A dreadnought is 46.25
Changed my army around a bit from >>47555361
Fireblade - 60pts
Crisis suit, 2x Plasma - 52pts
Crisis suit, 2x Flamer, target lock - 37 pts
9x Carbine FW, Carbine Shas'ui, Guardian Drone - 112 pts
10x Rifle FW - 90pts
2x Remora drone - 90 pts
Sniper Drone team, 3x marksmen 3x sniper drones
2x Broadsides, TL rail rifle + TL SMS, one with target lock - 135pts
Total 750pts
the sniper drone team is just a cheap way to get BS5 markerlights for my broadsides, fireblade attaches to the rifle unit, remoras will deepstrike and cover any gaps that the broadsides cant see
>>47556219
Nothing more satisfying in this world than getting a 3 chicken charge against my friend who thought "Admech can't melee so I'll rush in my hammer+Shield termies". Fucking devestated the squad in the first round. That increased I needs to be standard for all lances, would make Rough Riders at least better in melee than guardsmen.
FAQs for KDK, Legion of the Damned, and whatever Blood Oath is are up.
They did come out on Wednesday after all, so it looks like the next one will be a week from tomorrow.
>>47557401
Toasting
>>47557401
KDK is unplayable now... wow
>>47557444
>>47557328
>So who the fuck does that leave, with MCs that are riptide sized? And aside from a handful of ancient Forgeworld sculpts?
Protip: if you have to ask about knowledge critical to the conversarion, you should just stop. Your stupidity is not just showing, it is glowing lile the sun, and I am not here to teach dumb kids about shit they can find this easily.
You still haven't mentioned my army, just for the record.
>>47557457
>>47557207
That big tracked admech gun shits out a sonic wave that will pretty much kill everything in front of it (Friend and foe), it's apoc blast that just moves in a straight line from the barrel of the gun until it leaves the table, ignores cover and does more damage the bigger the thing it's hitting. Against super heavies, GCs and SHWs it's a big D in the bum.
>>47557342
Sorry. I misread and thought you said 'large numbers of MCs'
>>47557450
How is that the case?
This FAQ is minor as fuck. Disclaimer: I've never so much as seen a KDK army.
>>47557469
Nobody cares about Gay knights
>>47557450
Nigga you and I have different definitions of "unplayable"
>>47557294
i'd be pretty happy with that.
On one hand, these FAQs cut down on a lot of cheese, exploits, and abuse.
On the other hand, the game is imbalanced that those things form the core of most books' viable lists.
So I guess the question is, do these FAQs indicate the new CEO decreeing that all books henceforth will be balanced? Only time will tell, since rumors are we're not due a new codex until 2017, after the rumored new edition.
>>47555881
Centurions, and nothing could make me take them.
>>47557310
And one deffkopta, which isn't equivalent to the dreadnought.
>>47557542
I take it that it's a looks/concept problem (Marine in armour in even bigger armour) and not a rules thing, because Centurions are fucking rad based on the ones I've come up against.
>>47555881
>>47557542
Oh hey, also Centurions. I mean I OWN some centurions, but I'm saving them for when I get a Siege Assault Vanguard together for apoc games.
>>47555881
Normal Termies
In a Codex thats packed out the ass with elites like the BAs is they cant fufill any roll that my other choices can i would probably use them if they had either more attacks or less AP2 weapons were in the game as right now they dont work for shit.
>>47557540
it means something much more basic. That he's willing to communicate with customers, answer their questions, and listen to their concerns.
Those are prerequisites for improving the balance for the game. But it would. need to be present fairly early in the codex development to have a real effect on the balance.
Especially as he needs to listen to the overwhelming call of 'get playtesters' first, but being willing to listen to outside voices means that he might actually be willing to bring in playtesters'.
>>47557316
2 boxes are $100
That means you get for marines:
2 captains
2 dreads
2 terminators
12 marines
And for orks:
2 warbosses
2 deffkoptas
10 nobs
24 boyz
That's a deal if I ever saw one
Can remora drones hover inside terrain? they are small enough so are they allowed to abuse that sweet 2+ cover save
>>47557525
Still wrong. You could just name all the armies with MCs. But you probably can't, otherwise you wouldn't have made the retarded statement that only Nids should have MCs.
Can a Forgefiend bring down a Riptide with the autocannons? 8 shots at S8 ain't nothing to sneeze at. What if they use the formation to get pref enemy, BS5 from nearby warpsmith and pop daemonforge to re-roll wounds?
>>47557791
When did I say that?
>>47557791
Not that anon, but actually presenting your argument will get you much further than smugly masturbating how superior you are.
Not just here, but in life in general.
>>47557798
the riptide has 5++, 4++ on nova charge and probably has FNP, so its still going to you a while with just one forgefiend
>>47557767
I guess its a deal price wise but model wise i think i could probably get more for less. seeing as Orks need either 3x that number of boyz to do anything reasonable with em. Also take in that the marines squad of size aint doing anybody who wants a full squad with heavy and special weapons any favors as they are most likely are snapfit meaning that they are all in shitty poses at the start.
>>47557759
But will the influx of players from the balance not cause an increase in greed of the CEO?
>>47557791
It'd be easier to name armies without MCs to be honest, so here we go:
Space Marines
Pure Skitarii
Imperial Knights
Inquisition
Sisters of Battle
>>47557806
different guy, but right at the start. of this.
Saying MCs should. be limited to nids is pretty dumb,. but the other statement, that there are things being called MCs that damn well shouldn't be is a different matter.
What are we arguing about today?
>>47557818
>greed of the CEO
what? Improved sales is the goal the CEO has now.
>>47557798
2+, decent invuln, FNP and a boatload of wounds
There's no easy way to just kill the things. Even if you lock it in combat it's still an MC with insane durability.
>>47557366
Remora drones are 90 EACH.
>>47557759
He damn well better be willing to improve the quality of the game. Its already approaching 'too little, too late' territory.
Despite what GW seems to think, a significant anount of new players are brought into the hobby by existing players/veterans. If you dont have a solid foundation of vets playing games in every flgs around the world, new players arent going to get exposed to the game. They will see expensive kits sitting on the shelves. They will hear the warnings of disgruntled former players warning them to stay away.
40k needs a legitimate ruleset and some semblence of balance or its going to continue losing customers/players. And it needs to happen soon. Another 15 months of quality releases like the Ork/CSM supplements, Death from the Skies, Tau supplement, etc. - will just make the hole that much deeper and more difficult to climb out of.
The rest of the industry smells the blood in the water. GW better wake up, now.
>>47557871
whoops my bad, it still adds up to 750 though with 2 remoras
60 HQ, 89 elite, 202 troop, 180 FA, 219 HA
>>47557813
>>47557836
Bugger. I guess slamming a Daemon Prince in its face is the best way to take it out huh? Armour save ignored, hits first with tons of attacks at 3+ and if you use the Black Mace you get to force a T test (if the Riptide is suceptible to it).
>>47557901
yeah, the best way to kill riptides is tie it up in assault and watch it kill itself slowly when it fails the nova charges
Is it heresy?
>>47557924
Considering the Emperor can be who he wants - no
>>47557924
>>47557913
Good to know. How are stat tests like Toughness done when the enemy has 6 or more anyway? Usually it's "If you roll at or above the toughness, you fail" yeah? It's been a while since I used these things.
>>47557901
doing that carries the side benefit of not having to deal with an S8 pieplate every turn
>>47557932
So you're saying he wanted to be a girl?
>>47557813
Dont forget its armor save. And its toughness, MC status for cover save, and 180 point pricetag.
Its underpriced for such a durable weapons platform. Giving it the Riptide wing formation buffs firmly plants it in cheese territory.
>>47557946
Nigga been around since 4000BC - he probably had a phase
Think Alucard from Hellsing
>>47557924
>master biomancer
>outward appearance is possibly just a mental illusion anyway
Gonna say no. After all, are YOU gonna tell the Emperor he can't be a gril?
>>47557957
Lucky bastard to be able to just do that then. I'm stuck popping pills and transitioning slowly instead.
>>47557970
If I have to do it the shitty way then yeah, I'm going to tell him he can't just cheat.
>>47557936
A 6 is always a fail just like 1 is always a success. So you have an 1/6 chance to remove that riptide from play.
>>47557924
if you're going to make a ridiculous power armor costume, at least make it so the legs don't bend backwards when standing normally
>>47557789
I believe so. Watch out for dangerous terrain, though.
>>47557798
No.
>>47557832
If Nids should be the only army with MCs and teh newest FAQ made KDK unplayable.
>>47556544
Dumbdumb, that's a sword!
>>47557977
Why not just ask the Emperor to use his biomancy on you instead?
>>47556544
I'd really like to see a beam-like D-weapon
>>47557980
I see, so let's say I have a T5 model and I get thwacked by the Black Mace. I need to roll a 3+ to save it? And if it's T6, I die on a 1?
>>47557997
its a shame you cant give them sensor spines to auto pass dangerous terrain
>>47558015
I'd have to wait for him until M30 for that to happen.
Why does Leman Russ wield a weird copy of Frostmourne?
Don't get me worng is pretty badass, but weird nonetheless
>>47558030
characteristic tests are equal to or under
T5 passes on a 5 or less
6's always fail
>>47557798
So youre dumping 175 + 120 points into two flimsy ass easy to kill models just to kill a Riptide? And you still wont even kill it in less than 4 turns without some serious luck.
If you play CSM just steer clear of Tau. You're fish in a barrel to them.
>>47558030
No, you need to roll 5-
>>47558037
Yep, but they're already the cheapest flying thing in this game, that's quite ok.
>>47557807
>Actually presenting your argument will get you much further than smugly masturbating how superior you are.
And expecting to be spoonfed will get you far in the opposite direction of where you want to get.
Either stop trying to participate in a discussion where you don't have the base required amount of knowledge, or at least do some research. You have all the material readily available in this thread.
>>47558030
In the case of T5,you would have to roll less than 5 or 6 to pass. In the case of T6 you would have to roll anything but 6.
>>47558062
>>47558065
Sorry, but thank you, all's clear now.
>>47558064
No I'm not, I was just theorizing cause the Hades Autocannons are the strongest gun I got in my army, so I wondered if it could poke a few holes in it. Theorizing only.
>>47557884
>The rest of the industry smells the blood in the water.
Hah, as if.
GW still has no direct competitor.
As much as WM/H players might not want to believe, no game currently appeals directly to 40k players who want 40k but balanced.
>>47558057
why do you have two generic fantasy zweihanders?
How bad would a Tau list focusing on XV8s, Fire Warriors and Broadsides be?
>>47558057
The design of his sword predates warcraft 3, not to mention both are based on real world swords + extra spikes and shit
>>47558092
>As much as WM/H players might not want to believe, no game currently appeals directly to 40k players who want 40k but balanced.
This all day. 40k is unique in it's scale and setting and frankly that keeps drawing me back to it despite it's numerous faults.
>>47558016
Then you should google the rules for Ordinatus Ulator.
>>47557884
So I'm going to first say where you're wrong, but then point out where you're right.
GW actions: New CEO, significant changes in core company policies like working with outside venders, using the internet and social media to communicate with fans during the. production process, a focus towards new players and accessibility of the game, etc etc
All these indicate that the GW has woken up. They are making an effort to change.
Where you might be right is the 'too little too late' comment, because it takes a long time for these sort of changes to reach the release stage.
Even if they had a clear idea of exactly what they needed to fix, it would be close to a year before we'd see the changes.
But GW doesn't know exactly what needs to be fixed right now. Even if they have listened to the 'overall balance is a. major concern we need to fix right. now', is not as quick and easy as the internet likes to think when you consider corporate production process.
So the releases since the new CEO came into power aren't a good reflection on what he wants to be doing, because those were too far down the pipeline for him to really get a hand in,. however, it could still be some time before truly significant balance fixes come out.
>>47558068
Anyone who refuses to properly present his argument and shitposts in response is nothing but a shill, a troll, or a liar.
>>47558116
Unless one of your XV8's is running a drone controller and you are packing markerlights as ablative wounds, then your broadsides are missing out on those very important markerlight tokens
If you take a drone controller commander to give them BS5, you are more than gucci
>>47558116
It wouldn't be bad. However, if you want to DS those XV8s, you better grab some Tetras
>>47558121
Didn't know the design was pre-warcraft 3
then mybe is the other way around, frostmurne was inspired by this one
Or they just don't have anything to do with the other
>>47558116
Stick some markerlights in there and you have a basic Tau army.
>>47558092
except there are plenty of 40k players who just want a fun table top game. Or still like 40k, but are willing to put more of their new model buying into aanother game if that game appeals to them.
X--wing beat GW in miniature sales. This wasn't all from people who don't buy 40k products. Some of the money that could have gone to 40k didn't. That's competition.
>>47557924
>>47557935
I she on stilts or something? How does she move her arms?
>>47558175
Space Magic.
Also yes, probably short stilts.
>>47558092
>>47558132
I dont play WM/H. This industry is more saturated than ever before, and GW is hemmorhaging sales. So there is most certainly competition out there, and its taking chunks out of GW's marketshare.
>>47558196
Competetion, sure, but no direct competition that fills 40k's niche. And I doubt "hemmorhaging" is the right word. Seems like too much hyperbole too me.
>>47558224
I think 40k's actually growing a slight bit. I've seen more "looking to get into 40k, should I choose X or Y army?" posts on Leddit. We'll just have to wait for the next quarter report.
>>47558254
Locally it's the second pillar that supports my FLGS, the first being MtG.
>>47558224
you don't really understand the terms you're using do you?
40k doesn't just fill a niche but also a broader category. The niche customers, those who only want a game like the game 40k is, are a fraction of their market, and competition that hits outside of that fraction is still a major threat to their sales.
If a guy who plays 40k decides to buy an x--wing box rather than another 40k box, that's competition. They still like 40k for what it is, but x--wing is a lot of fun, and their enthusiasm form 40k is weakened by it's problems. They didn't lose the player, by they lost sales.
When you're losing shelf space, you're losing sales, when you're losing table space, you're losing sales, and that's happening to 40k.
>>47558092
>GW still has no direct competitor
Please dont unironically quote Tom Kirby.
>>47557264
If this is related to IA14, then this is likely a Tau staging area on a moon over Cyraxus.
>>47558285
You guys are saying the same thing using different words senpai
>>47558224
>I have no interest in any game/setting other than 40k
=/=
>40k has no competition
I dont typically respond to such blatant idiocy, but judging by your tone I feel like you're a decent guy -that just has no idea wtf hes talking about.
>>47558285
The niche is the scale of the game. Yes there are games played with more models (historicals which are a smaller scale) or less models (skirmish games) but there isn't another one that tries to match GW's scale as a wargame. That gives it something unique that keeps some of it's customers coming back even if we go off for a bit to another game.
>>47558345
It has no direct competition in games that match it's scale or setting. It has competition the same way Oreos compete with M&Ms, but one isn't a replacement for the other entirely and that draws people back.
>>47558349
Keep telling yourself that as the playerbase dries up, GW experiences increasing shrink, and other games grow to fill the space 40k used to occupy.
>>47558377
>Keep telling yourself that as the playerbase dries up, GW experiences increasing shrink
[citation needed]
Sales have increased YoY for 2015 so far.
>>47558366
>head in sand as the world crumbles around you
