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Does somebody have a copy of this? I don't want to make an account just to read it.
Please tell me this isn't actually a thing. Good god, I'm a lefty liberal faggot and I think that looks cringe as fuck.
wtf even is this shit
I can't believe that's real
>>47456948
tumblr.comweak bait
>>47456948
Beware, young apprentice! For it is forbidden knowledge you pursue. This is a truly dark and terrible tome, the ravings within enough to drive even the wisest sages and mightiest wizards mad! Tread carefully, lest you succumb to such great and horrible evil yourself!
>>47456948
The Inquisition can't come soon enough
>>47456948
>dungeoneering and adventuring
>safe spaces
Thank goodness I don't have to deal with people like that.
The book is critical, James Desborough is pretty much blacklisted by most modern hipster game devs for making a card game about tentacles and anime school girls as well as other games with erotic themes.
>>47456948
Jina Bandia means "Fake name" in swahili.
The author says they're pseudonyms, but realistically it's probably either poe's law or /pol/ false flagging*tips tinfoil hat*
>>47457121
That doesn't make it not cringy as fuck.
>>47457235
>It reads more like a guidebook for racists and sexists on how to deal with uppity liberals in their gaming group.
Well I guess that makes sense. I don't really mind it then so much as I'm just glad I don't need it
Here you are guys
From a cursory read it doesn't seem too bad desu familia
>>47457415
Lord help me, I'm going in.
>>47457415
Thank you, whoever you are. This is wonderful.
>>47457415
Never have a I read so many words and had them say stuff that's either common sense or basically nothing at all.
>>47457415
>females should roll 2d6 for Strength, but get +1 Wisdom
>men tend to concentrate at the ends (low and high). Roll male intelligence on 1d10+1d8 (minimum 3) and for women 3d6 as normal
Nothing I love more than exacting gender-based realism in my knights and wizards games.
>>47457415
The game states that the only winning move is not to play.
>>47457556
>females get +1 wisdom
>>47457415
Ok, so I only scimmed a few pages, but i get the feeling like this guy if giving answers to imaginary problems.
>>47457415
but why, tho
>>47457415
God. I finished the whole thing... I feel so empty
>>47457415
The guy basically admits diversity ploys are unwinnable and compares them to the Kobayashi Maru test.
The only thing I don't really like is he thinks you should actually use different methods for abstracting stats based on gender. Seems totally pointless.
Overall it's refreshing to see someone basically say "yeah no matter what you do people will get buttmad" but he really didn't need so many words to say it.
>>47457415
Alright, finished reading it.
Funny how someone promoting diversity apparently doesn't consider race to be an arbirary construct.
>The English and the French may have a strong historical antipathy for each other but they look the same and culturally have much they can point to in common.
I hate you. I hate you with all my guts.
Kudos to him for recognizing legitimate racism due to objective morality system in D&D. That said...
>coming from a different country gives the same penalty as evil Alignment or racial hatred.
That's some late 19th century nationalistic bullshit, unless we're playing in not!Balkans.
The sci-fi ones are great, though.
>gender differences
Meh, I've seen worse. He seems to have put some thought on the balance, I'll give him that.
Still, it's funny for him to give us those tables and yet ask not to use them (which I agree with, since PCs shouldn't be slowed down by statistics imo)
The parts on sexuality, infirmity and diversity were quite good.
Overall, a nice read. It gives some decent pointers for portraying fantasy or sci-fi societies.
Thanks for sharing, anon.
>>47457663
That about sums up the modern left
>>47457235
>racists and sexists
>uppity liberals
there's a difference?
>>47459391
I'd bet good money the author is /pol/ with his own set of imaginary problems.
>>47457415
>Varg
>Ignore them
3 pages in and the author is already ass hurt over politics outside of tabletop gaming.
>>47457599
Oh yes, I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
>>47460081
Varg made an RPG though.
>>47459955
I'll take your money in that wager. He's a self-described left-anarchist/socialist.
Nice to see all the SJWs getting buttmad already.
>>47460549
>anarchist
>& socialist
Troll, now one is this retarded.
Right?
I chose to view this book as satire.
>>47460594
Anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism are in fact political movements. Very fringe, but they exist.
>>47460657
But that seems like such an oxymoron. You want to destroy the government and then allow it to control major industries?
>>47460702
I'm almost sure most of the times anarchists also want to destroy major industries.
Anarcho-socialism and its brothers want local governements with direct democracy, a bit like soviets in the early years of the USSR.
>>47460702
I believe the anarcho-socialist goal is for major industries to be owned and controlled by the workers directly, through consensus and direct democracy.
>>47460702
Marxism and anarchism emerged roughly the same time. Marxism asserted that the government needed to take control of all business, then make everyone equal and then eliminate the state, so that people could work together to do everything.
Anarchism, by contrast, thought people could handle shit cooperatively without the state.
"Socialism" used here just means that the people who work land also own that land, and that the community owns factories and so on together.
That anarchism actually predates so-called "anarcho-capitalism" by quite a while.
>>47460657
They're much bigger than "anarcho-capitalism" everywhere but the US, and arguably here too.
>>47457748
Well, ideally, men should get a bonus to Strength and women should get a bonus to Charisma.
>>47460835
But men are only stronger relative to women and women only seem more charismatic to men who want to fuck them.
>>47460835
Why is that ideal? I'd say ideally people just put their stats in places that make sense for what their character is and if they're non-human they get a bonus or penalty somewhere
>>47459116
>19th century nationalistic bullshit
>how dare characters in a fantasy setting not have the nuanced views of nationhood that are currently widely accepted in the 21st century
>how dare cultural friction be implied to exhist
whut
>>47460835
>>47460849
-4 str (actually, 1d8+1d6 str) made sense in its original context, back in OD&D where str penalties and bonuses don't actually affect to-hit chances or damage chances.
INSTEAD, it affected what weapons you could use, and weapons accounted for the majority of your combat chances. Women could use daggers better than men (+1 to hit on a 2d6 scale not bad, like the equivalent of +2 to +3) and could use swords, maces, and lances just fine, they had trouble with the big heavy duty weapons unless they were unusually strong.
>>47456948
20 bux says James Desborough and friends are false-flagging conservatives or libertarians or whatever shit dumb fuck 20-somethings like these days.
>>47460849
True, but speaking "relatively," humans are what everything in the books are judged by.
>>47460874
I was saying "ideally" in terms of people who use gender-based stats. Men factually feel emotions to a higher degree but are less expressive than women. It's why you always see women being the ones who work at check-out lines, or as greeters, or any job where the position entails greeting and talking with customers/people on a daily basis.
>>47457121
The Tentacle Bento minis are actually pretty nice though as far as pseudo anime stuff goes.
>>47460835
Nah, that's the wrong way to go about it. Just have the physical representation of the character, as suggested by the stats, be different based on understanding of the differences between the sexes. IE, a man with 13 strength would appear moderately fit, a woman with 13 strength would be ripped.
And as far as charisma goes, it would probably be more appropriate to give a bonus to charisma rolls for women when dealing with reproductive age men, and only then to women who are explicitly attractive. Maybe as a feat?
>>47461015
The problem isn't that one nation views the members of another as shit heels, the problem is that there is one nation that is literally evil no matter what
>>47459116
Race isn't an arbitrary construct though. It's extremely relevant to multiple fields, most importantly (even, especially on the individual level) medicine. That's not to say that laws or institutions should take race into account (they should not), but race is absolutely a real thing, and denying it hurts the quality of life for everyone.
>>47457556
>>47457748
What part of " it’s not suggested that you actually use the following statistics." did you dopes not understand?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Desborough_%28game_designer%29
>Desborough has been quoted or used as a pundit on men's issues in various places, including The Stream on Al Jazeera.[7] Some of Desborough's work has been criticised for being "hateful, violent and misogynistic", leading critics to petition game companies to drop his work.[8][9]
I think it's telling that like 50% of so-called SJW content is actually made by butthurt MRAs and alt-right fags pretending to be SJWs.
Also lmao at pic related
>>47461370
But he's an egalitarian socialist. Isn't it funny how ANYONE who opposes the women first rhetoric is suddenly an "alt-right MRA"?
>>47460549
Because nobody has ever false flagged online, right? That would just be unthinkable.
pretty pointless to try and guess at what the author actually thinks without a more consistent ideological footprint, i-m-o, t-b-h, senpai-I-am
>>47461370
From what I see the Alt-Right and MRA/MGTOW types have some overlap but are still pretty hostile.
>>47461398
>"I'm an egalitarian socialist fighting against the matriarchy"
>>47461370
Assmad feminist who can't take it when their idealogy is ridiculed for the shit it is detected.
>>47459116
>but they look the same
Nope, rosbifs are ugly as sin.
>>47456948
Isn't James Desborough some kind of memer?
>>47461529
Dude, it's nearly 2 am, you should be sleeping.
I should too, btw.
Good night.
>>47460828
Anarchism emerged before, and communism emerged before marxism too.
Pre-marxism communists were technically anarchists, since there was no state in their ideal society.
>>47457235
>socialist pragmatically
>>47461217
>the problem is that there is one nation that is literally evil no matter what
Yes, it's called Germany
>>47457415
>I just want a world where I can do whatever I want and no one will criticize me
nice opener
>>47461370
I don't care what kind of shitty new age movement you belong to.
There is a divine order to things put in place by god. All of you are against this order and will regret your decisions if you do not repent and change your ways.
>>47461605
I think you mean Perfidious Albion.
>>47461450
Look man I think anyone who would call themselves an anarchist socialist is probably a fucking faggot, that doesn't fake feminism right, nor does it make everyone who disagrees with it mysoginists
Test
>>47461753
*make feminism right
>>47461748
They are cowardly and greedy, but not THAT evil.
>>47461771
Oh yes they are.
>>47457415
This is pretty uninteresting but the conclusion is good.
>Addressing issues of diversity and inclusion is a Kobayashi Maru scenario. There is simply no way to ‘win’ in this situation and in regard to these issues. If you’re not inclusive – regardless of the reason – you’re bad. If you are inclusive – you’ve almost certainly done it wrong. If you represent bad things happening in your game world (rape, torture, prejudice), it may well be assumed you condone or support those things. If you do give an inch, a mile will be demanded.
>The only way to win may be not to play.
>>47461817
Compared to the germans who are hellbent on the destruction of civilizations ? They are tame.
>>47457415
i actually think this is kinda interesting, at least the social class chart and how it would affect social stats negatively
it's a pretty cool concept that i don't really see often in games where worldbuilding really matters and could make a nice starting point for some outcast-type characters
it also reminds me to vary in different aspects that i often forget when describing characters populating stories
i mean fuck agenda pushing but having different types of characters only adds in extra points in my book
>>47461718
Go preach to someone who cares, Luther.
>>47461015
the problem isn't that they distrust their neighbouring nations(even if it's a bit silly in a medieval-inspired setting, where people regularly came under control of one king or another due to conquests and successions; the current nation is a pretty modern notion)
It's that they dislike their neighbours as much as literal demons.
>>47461253
>race is absolutely a real thing
I didn't say imaginary, but arbitrary; it's very real, but there is no objective criterion to determine it, just some people agreeing on which set of inheritable traits makes such or such race.
(the same issue exists concerning animals, too)
the biggest problem with shit like this is it's part of the whole "gender war" shit that isn't really applicable to /tg/
Remember that gamergators "migrated" from this board to infinite chan's /tg/ board because we were all "Sjws" and shit. We weren't mind you.
This is either gonna be "stop having fun now" like that idiotic "play DnD like a feminist" article where you prewarn players and tell them what traps they're gonna run into before they do because reasons or its gonna be an edgy fedora tipping womyns are bad and need to get out reee screen by a faggot.
>look up publishing company
>postmortemstudios
>they made a 5E module explicitly to thumb their nose at 4chan called Cathedral of Misogyny
Is it bad that I am now morbidly curious about how bad this is?
>>47457235
What a disappointment, humanity.
From the glory to the Space Age, to the humiliation of the Safe Space Age.
It wasn't supposed to go this way.
>>47461986
Features are just a tell, the objective criteria is genetic markers
>>47462218
But I want to make space safe from xeno scum
>>47462174
>cathedral of mysoginy
Is it on drivethrurpg? I feel very tempted to report it for being offensive.as a joke of course
But why do you think it's making fun of 4chan, there allot of sites like us that hate feminists.
the tao of triggered keeps on turning
>>47462350
He explicitly calls the site out by name on the store page entry and also considered the meme as the modern day pun. I am going to need a gallon of bleach by the time I get through looking at all the things he published
>>47462174
I think it's more thumbing their nose at the people freaked out by 4chan.
>>47462300
It doesn't change the issue: Try to find me a list of human races and the associated genetic markers. There is no concensus on those topics.
And I'm a nurse, I know very well that people are more or less prone to some diseases depending on their origin (funniest example so far being french people with a lot of varicose veins, due to ww1).
>>47462470
Do you have the rest of his pdfs, by any chance?
>>47457599
jesus. that "female gender = wisdom" is killing me every time. Especially when girls I know start spouting that nonsense and I know as hell they made stupid decisions every so often.
>>47462510
No, I just followed the link in the book another anon posted here to his site and read the blurbs there and I am not spending my 2 funbucks on it.
>>47460631
I'm actually amazed that there was anybody who looked at the cover and DIDN'T immediately spot satire.
Are you all literally fucking retarded?
>>47462583
Meh, its contents are far too reasonable for satire.
>>47462510
>It doesn't change the issue: Try to find me a list of human races and the associated genetic markers. There is no concensus on those topics.
that's the thing about the new scientific racism, the proponents all claim it's about genetics and specific markers, but at the same time they completely ignore them in order to lump people together for the same old prejudices
genetically speaking west and east Africans are as different from each other as they are from whites and Asians and share completely different medical problems, but that's irrelevant and at the end of the day all niggers are the same as far as they're concerned
>>47462510
Well natives take to rabies vaccines a LOT better and one tribe has an immune response that actively suprreses it into non-functionality. In a similar vein of constant exposure to things: caucasians across the board deal with alcohol MUCH better than any other race. asians and natives can even have a serious allergic reaction to alcohol, even alcohol in sterilization solutions. Neither had anywhere near as much exposure as caucasians and therefore don't have the genetic coding to make effective protective measures against it in both cases.
Sidenote: africans and natives are entirely lactose intolerant, again lack of exposure, where as caucasians are all almost universally lactose tolerant due to lack of presence of a gene that allows the bacteria that breaks down lactose to survive. If you're black or native and reading this and you can drink milk you have a white ancestor somewhere in your family tree.
Beyond that caucasians have less durable eyes hence the lighter tones as they evolved to less harsh sunlight and less exposure over all which is why they currently lead in debilitating eye diseases and prescription lenses whereas natives and africans were constantly exposed and are leaders by far in healthy eyes due to darker pigment, several gene's that effect the cones, and two gene's that hinder macular degeneration. Each gene is unique to either race as are those that effect the cones.
Tl;Dr there are crazy and noticeable differences between the races.
Its almost like saying darwin's finches are all one big all inclusive species with very little differences where in reality they have vast and easily noticeable physical and genetic differences and just because they can all breed with each other doesn't change that.
>>47460549
Wait, he believes there should be no government but also believes the government should run major industries and redistribute wealth?
>>47462719
>If you're black or native and reading this and you can drink milk you have a white ancestor somewhere in your family tree.
or you could just be from East Africa and had African ancestors who raised cattle for milk for thousands of years
You're just proving why the whole "but races are real because of genetic markers!" thing is complete bullshit. If you meet someone on the street or have a casual acquaintance with them, you don't know their genetics. All you're doing is making a guess based on their skin colour, a guess that (as you so clearly illustrated) can be wrong more often than right
>>47462752
>posts /pol/ image
>thinks socialism is "government controls everything"
shocking
>>47461898
>>Addressing issues of diversity and inclusion is a Kobayashi Maru scenario.
this is the best I've ever seen it handled
>>47461898
Or even better than not playingdo not play with idiots.
>>47460828
an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
>>47462661
That's not what I said at all. I said specifically that medically relevant differences don't justify discrimination.
>>47462510
The fact that there isn't uncontested consensus doesn't mean that it's not "real" science, or truth. It's biology, you're always going to have grey areas. This is like saying the respiratory tract has no stem cells because people don't 100% agree about which cells they are
>>47462524
Funny, I feel the same way about guys.
THINKING CEASES THE TRUTH IS LOST.
>>47462174
>read about Cathedral of Misogyny on drivethrurpg
> he basically a joke and a comedic take on internet and gaming culture.
take a look for yourselves
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/183780/The-Cathedral-of-Misogyny
>>47461898
Lovely conclusion that makes the rest serve more as an example. Pretty sure that is the general consensus when that stuff is asked on /tg/ anyways.
>>47463579
>Dictionary entry
Wikipedia is too many words for you?
>>47463813
It doesn't matter how you "feel" we're going by hardcore scientific facts here. Women are factually less capable to make calm, collected, and disconnected decisions then men. Their brains literally have a shit fit when asked the whole "save your mother or your child" scenario and explain why. Men have a moment of high activity then normal activity and can justify their decision within seconds, women took upwards of ten minutes. Theories abound but we sure its linked to the whole boxes vs. string way of thinking between the genders letting men make wholly disconnected decisions while stowing away morality and emotions whereas for women and their string way of think means that everything is connected and they have serious issue compartmentalizing the conflict and the emotions and attempting to do so actually makes their brain misfire in random area's compounding the issue.
This is also theorized to be the reason 100% of women get shellshocked on the field at some point in time during duty while men are currently at 30%.
>>47464083
>100% of women get shellshocked on the field at some point in time during duty while men are currently at 30%.
That sounds exaggerated, and the Veterans Health Administration website says PTSD rates in men and women going through the VA system are the same.
http://www.va.gov/health/NewsFeatures/2013/April/PTSD-Study-Men-Versus-Women.asp
Do you have a source for that?
>>47456972
It's the fruit of your ceaseless labor you should be loving it.
>>47464295
>Do you have a source for that?
He already said he had hardcore scientific facts.
>tfw you accidentally identify a pair of mozzarella sticks as sandwiches
>>47464295
Shellshock isn't PTSD. Its just battlefield induced shock.
I'd honestly not go on a google crusade for 30 different scientific papers but if you're actually curious "Psychological differences between genders." And "Differences in the brain between genders" should pop up. If you don't know which doctors are shills or social conformers rather than unbiased parties you're gonna have to do some research, which is sad as the latter gets less research as its not publicly friendly and that just hampers scientific progress as a whole.
>>47464385
I see it as less something that requires number crunching and more something that can be seen in everyday life. Why aren't women signing up for the military as much as their male counterparts even though the Pentagon has moved to open all combat positions to them? I am sure that you can gain insight on that easily. Saying that Women are just as able to handle war as men on average is plain wrong.
>>47456948
Wrap your trust fund nu-male lips around a refugee nigger's cock, you subhuman trash.
Tumblr is that way --->
>>47463879
DON'T YOU WORRY, YOU'LL BE TOLD EXACTLY WHAT TO DO
>>47462524
Well, to be fair, Wisdom in D&D doesn't usually help characters make better decisions. Most often it's things like senses. Women have better color differentiation, so linking that up to a small wisdom bonus works to help balance things out.
>>47457415
Is this satire?
>>47464555
Women have worse hearing and situational awareness along with dimensional thinking. That sounds like it would hinder DnD wis. their color differentiation only goes for reds as well but hinders greys though they do tend to see hues a few frequencies lighter but men equally see the same colors a few lower and is almost entirely unnoticeable. The only impactful difference would be tetrachromacy in women, an insanely rare genetic condition that we aren't entirely sure is a thing yet as it may just mean they have s fourth cone set but the actual retinal neurons won't be able to actively differentiate and translate a fourth color channel before handshaking with the brain.
>>47464578
yes and no, judging by the authors other works.
Yes, in that it makes fun of this idea of safe spaces in everywhere at every time.
No, in that it has one idea that trying to be diverse and inclusive leads to nothing but frustration and the best course of action is to no longer play role playing games.
>>47464755
I think he meant you should quit playing along with people who insist on safe spaces everywhere as there's no way to make everyone happy as their version of a safe space is going to go against anothers which means no matter you can't win.
Basically the systems set to make you lose so the only way to win is to get out of that system.
>>47464811
that sounds better then what I thought was said.
thanks for clearing that up.
>>47464578
Its a """""""""""""""""normal"""""""""""""""" leftist who is annoyed by the useful idiots in identity politics.
>>47456948
>Dungeons & Diversity
>A Breton, a Bavarian, a Welshman, a Frisian and a Catalanteam up to defeat the Dark Lord
>The Dark Lord is an asian transniggers FtM transsexual homosexual muslim
If that's not diversity, I don't know what is.
>>47457415
SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK
>>47465323
>transnigger
i still cant believe people are using that term.
Like, holy dumb-fuck Satan sucking cock, how dense are these people?
>>47461718
>there are actually christfags who believe this
>>47456948
This one of those hilarious parody satire things?
I love those!
Also, who here keeping tabs on the Austrian election fraud, and how Junker has basically said "Right wing groups are not Democracy. Democracy only counts if it's center or left, and we'll actively prevent right wing groups from getting voted into power, since that's not Democracy"?
>>47457532
That's because you're on /tg/, common sense is not allowed here so you're not used to it.
>>47460549
>He's a self-described left-anarchist/socialist.
You do realise /pol/ has tons of those types, right?
/pol/ is an even split between the libertarians and the natsocs. About the only thing you'll ever get /pol/ to agree on is that privately owned central banks are a blight, and that niggers aren't capable of building civilization in the same way that whites are.
>who's whites?
Well, Europe, and-
>You mean those PIGS cockroaches who couldn't civ their way out of a wet paper bag
Uhh
>Or Implying that slavs are white
Well what about Western Europe?
>UK, Germany, France
>implying their civilization isn't about to collapse under the weight of its own bullshit
Ok fine. Fuck you. Australia.
>You mean China
... Latvia?
>RARE FLAG
... ok, fine. The only thing you can get /pol/ to agree on are that privately owned central banks are a blight.
>>47465840
Because it's true.
Q. Why don't we just accept that getting your feelings hurt is just an unavoidable part of life, and stop making such a big deal of it when it happens?
>>47462796
So define socialism in a way that doesn't require an huge unelected bureaocracy.
Protip: you fucking can't and your feeble attempts at genetic fallacy won't do shit.
>>47468434
>who here keeping tabs on the Austrian election fraud
Only in passing. The nearly 150% voter turnout in one city cracked me up.
>>47468504
Because that makes people uncomfortable and feel lesser. God forbid people learn humility or simple human aspects like the ability to deal with shit.
"Oh, no! He didn't use my Xxttrm pronoun! That hurt my feefee's, which SHOULD be a felony!"
>>47461168
Every time something that is embarassing to the progressives comes out they inevitably descend into cospiracy theories.
No, asshole. This is the world you built; this is the culture you strive for. Either own this or repent.
>>47468434
Its for a better tomorrow your children will thank us.
>>47468536
Smart people know that if you go on making a parody of the democratic system, eventually people will not care about it anymore, and then it'll be 100000k worse for you. Austria chose to give power to litteral neonazis next election cycle. It chose civil war.
It's a sombering tought.
>>47465682
the best I've seen is transfat.
>>47463718
I never said it was not real, it just said it was arbitrary. As in "decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute".
You simply cannot make a general text/flowchart that will determine the race of everyone; the scientist has to choose markers on a case by case basis.
>>47468557
Our children, and yours, will hang you all from the lamposts before this shit is over, moron. And we'll be unable to do anything but watch you choke to death on your own severed penis.
>>47468586
>implying we will have Lampposts
>You fucking white shitlords have had electricity for hundreds of years, and parts of Africa don't have any even today. And WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?
>I say it's time to correct this historical oppression. Give our lightposts to the immigrants.
But what if they just strip the lightposts for copper or smelt them, to-
>BANNED
>Smelting is a social construct
>>47461946
Well, he's not obnoxious about his views, and just give you ways to portray discrimination if you wish to do so. The rest is damage control since it's a touchy subject, and it never hurts to repeat the basics.
I wonder why he chose that title and cover, though? Sell it to the SJW GMs? He pretty much says he despise them.
>>47468434
The "it's democracy only if they agree with me" crowd always cracks me up. I suppose laughter is the best medicine.
>>47468644
Last time I went to Africa, they didn't hang people to lamposts, they put a tyre on the guy's neck and put it on fire.
You don't want to be a thief in a ghanaian market.
>>47468644
>Give our lightposts to the immigrants.
The one weakpoint of your post: by then nobody will care about the migrants's supposed ownership of the lamposts; and those migrants that would make a scene about it will, too, hang from the lamposts.
>>47468719
>Last time I went to Africa, they didn't hang people to lamposts, they put a tyre on the guy's neck and put it on fire.
>You don't want to be a thief in a ghanaian market.
You see? We have lots to learn from Africans! This is a creative and appropriatelly cruel method of execution that will probably see abudant use in europe in the time being.
10/10, will take counsel to heart!
>>47468719
I think he's just picking an image that's relevant to the topic.
I like the conclusion, dude's pretty on point.
It's not even trolling*, it's just pointing to the directions where you could probably go in a "classic" campaign if you want to explore themes like that.
Much ado about nothing.
*=aside form what I can only describe as an expansion of the -4 STR meme.
>>47468870
>it may be better for all of us to fight censorship
Judging by the contents of his shop, he certainly did. Guy seems to have a hatred of sjws.
https://postmortemstudios.wordpress.com/category/shop-2/
>>47468762
But, anon, what about global warming? At least use natural products.
>>47468927
I'm open to alternatives to tires as long as they're acceptably cheap and The effect is the same. Ideas?
>>47457121
Wait, aren't those the same people who love screaming about how sexually liberated they are?
>>47469192
Aren't they the same people that say you're racist if you judge people from what they do instead of from their race?
It's SJW. Coherency to them has allways been like Crosses to vampires.
>>47469192
Some are ridiculously puritanical and sex negative and the rest can still employ their standard mental gymnastics to take offense over anything.
>>47468586
You see? This is why you can't even be trusted to make simple rational decisions.
>>47462218
Blame the boomers. They're having grandkids: nothing should ever hurt their grandkids.
>>47461597
Nothing wrong with wanting tax sponsored public services, anon. You can have that without going full communist or descending into SJW hysteria.
>>47459116
>race is arbitrary and we all look the same
M8 what are abos
You are all fucking stupid
>>47461142
>OD&D
OD&D doesn't give two fucks what sex your character is.
If you aren't addressing issues of race, gender, and sexual preference in your games, then you are failing as a GM.
>>47460800
>major industries to be owned and controlled by the workers directly, through consensus and direct democracy
>how to never make a good decision even once
>>47461529
This desu
Not even French but will take frog over roast beef any day
>>47462524
>>47457556
It should be +1 Cha. Just look at sentencing statistics.
>>47469429
If you are addressing issues of race, gender, and sexual preference in your games, then you are failing as a GM. No one should have to put up with "Should trannies be able to use whatever bathroom they want" as an adventure.
The whole point of fantasy is to not deal with dumb gay boring shit like politics.
>>47457415
Well - hey - it can't be worse than FATAL!
(r-right guys?)
>>47469638
>No one should have to put up with "Should trannies be able to use whatever bathroom they want" as an adventure.
Oh fuck, I'm getting Divinity: Dragon Commander flashbacks.
>>47469665
As someone who as read fatal thoroughly: No, it isn't.
The only thing I know that comes close to fatal in terms of nastiness and awful rules is RaHoWa.
>>47469310
>we all look the same
I wonder where you did read that in my post, since I pointed out that his example of brits and frogs looking the same was bad.
>>47457415
Well it's nice to see someone being reasonable about this shit, but the flipside of that is that everything he says is obvious and uncontroversial.
>genetic differences exist but race is culturally constructed
>gender differences are stark but it's probably best not to try to model them realistically in your game
>people in the past were prejudiced as fuck and it's more interesting to try to understand their mindset than to whitewash it away.
>>47462752
Oh fuck off. We can't be at the point where someone identifying as an anarchist is automatically assumed to subscribe to some capitalist "libertarian" bullshit.
>>47469930
No, we're at the point where somebody idetifying as an anarchist is automatically assumed to be an idiot or a college student.
>>47469905
>everything he says is obvious and uncontroversial.
Which is the sad thing, because he still gets attacked as some kind of far-right white supremacist male chauvinist.
Unfortunately, we exist in a time that obvious and uncontroversial views are considered hate speech by a certain portion of the population.
>>47469948
Well, I don't disagree but that's a different debate
Game design in a safe space age?
I know a fucker who runs a LARP. Super fucking leftist, but his setting includes Slavery, racism, violence, and generally lots of terrible shit and have had really young nerds and weebs bitch at him about that.
His responses to them have been glorious in how measured and intelligent they are in regard to how he is presenting a broken world that perhaps it is up to player decisions to do something about. Between not dying from raiders and zombies and people stabbing each other in the back.
How are there people that don't get that this is anti-sjw just from looking at the cover?
>>47457121
Panty Explosion?
>>47469638
No, the point of fiction and fantasy is to help improve our world through the promotion of social progress. Again, if you aren't addressing the important issues at your table (like trans* people being allowed to use their bathrooms), then you have failed as 1) a storyteller, 2) a GM, and 3) a human being.
>>47457415
The vast majority of that document feels like it's written for the would-be SJWs of the world that don't know how to formulate an opinion, so he's written a neat little pamplet to tell the what to think. Not that much of what he says is wrong (except for a handful of points I generally agree with everything he says). Though I guess if anyone was going to write such a booklet I'm glad it was at least someone pretty level-headed.
However, the one thing he does that I have to disagree with is penalizing the Charisma of men, because women have a "higher social intelligence," so he wants men to roll 1d6+1d10 while women roll 3d6 for Charisma. Shit sort of speaks for it's self there. According to him that superior social intelligence, combined with a greater level of perception through greater night-vision, hearing, and color depth (on average, which is true) should also award women a +1 bonus to their Wisdom Score. I'll be the first to support the notion that men and women have functionally comparable cognitive faculties, but is that very notion that forces me to strongly disagree with the idea of altering the Intellect and Wisdom stats at all, in favor of either gender. Women do have a deeper range of color perception, and better hearing and smell, on average, so you could just give them a +1 to perception rolls, not boost two attributes based on their ability to differentiate the scents of different flowers. He also gives women a +1 to Constitution because, according to him, they don't need as much food/general sustenance (fairly true), but then he gives'm the whole "handles pain better," angle that I see thrown around all the time. I've never seen a speck of evidence beyond "pregnancy is really painful." Which, for those who don't know, when women go into labor their brain releases a metric fuck-tonne of chemicals to dampen multitudes of nerve clusters and regulate various bodily functions.
>>47460321
Exactly my point.
>>47470296
Poe's law.
>>47470296
combo-breaker of 4chan's usual: hate first, ask questions later, approach to things, combined with the wider internet's hate of SJWs in general.
>>47470520
During labor is literally the only time women handle pain better than men.
>>47470571
Did you read the whole thing or stop after I said the word pregnancy?
>>47470583
I stopped at pregnancy.
>>47457235
Some of you anarchists are alright
>>47470296
James "The Slut Shamer of Sussex" Desberough's name is a bigger tell than the image, which looks like it actually could be real. I once met him at a con, people called him "The Triggered Nigger Terror, and gave him a wide berth. The only people he could share a table with were Ben Garrison and Mike Stoklasa, where they played RAHOWA to the blaring tunes of the Horst Wessel Lied.
>>47456948
Not surprising that, after Gamergate, SJWs would turn to tabletop...
>>47459852
It used to be that liberals were the ones fighting racism and sexism. He who fights monsters and all that...
>>47470318
Oh believe me, I'm going to spread so much social progress around they'll think it's raining out of the sky.
>>47470602
props for honesty
>>47470687
>implying that Ben "The Porky Forker" isn´t a hard-line commie
>>47469260
Not that anon but I found it hilarious that this guy believes in his heart of hearts that zero government is the way to go, but he's willing to settle for more government than usual as his next best option.
>>47470520
Yet another issue resolved by 2d6+4
You want to narrow the bell curve while still randomizing starting stats? 2d6+4
You want to tweak racial modifiers to remain within an average instead of setting them over the top? 2d6+X(1-7)
You want to tweak genders slightly to better represent the inherent hereditary differences between men and women without taking either to an extreme?
Male/Female
STR: 2d6+4/2
CON: 2d6+4/5
DEX: 2d6+4/4
INT: 2d6+4/4
WIS: 2d6+4/4
CHA: 2d6+3/4
bada' boom
>>47464083
Please post studies.
>>47470941
What part of "hardcore scientific facts" do you not understand?
>>47471032
Hardcore scientific facts are backed up by studies, preferably with large sample sizes, peer reviewed, and with a large body of unassailable bibliography onto which they stand.
>>47471063
HARD.
CORE.
SCIENCE.
FACTS.You wouldn't understand them, anyway.
>>47471079
I forgot vaginas ate brains.
>>47470912
I never understood this line of thinking that averages should affect the individual. Like, if most woman are weak, why does that give my female fighter who has trained most her life and is an exception, as an individual, penalties to strength?
Caps on stats are a different matter, but an outright reduction is stupid.
>>47468493
[1] Bible - His holy words; Some Jews, Vol. 57, No one actually knows when
>>47457599
The problem is its a game and some attempt at balance needs to be made.
>>47469183
Polyethylene burns almost only to carbon dioxide, and the amount from executions would be pretty small, but you would have to produce the rings solely for this.
>>47471165
>Polyethylene burns almost only to carbon dioxide
But what about our carbon footprint anon. We can't execute them in a way that speeds global warming.
>>47470700
Checked
They prey on whomever they consider weak. What do comics, TG, vidya and movies have in common? Lots of nerds, i.e. easy targets for shaming and bullying. Note how they have nothing to say about blatant sexism such as in rap and hip hop.
>>47471260
Nah, it´s too little money involved in /tg/ stuff to be profitable.
>>47471311
Most aren't concerned with profit. For them it is a social movement. The goal is suppression of badthink and Harrison Bergeron
>>47471165
Tires are volcanised rubber m8, these have sulfur 'n' shiet
>>47471260
checking dubsthis is niec
>>47471115
It's pretty fucking silly, honestly. Like, your male fighter can go toe to toe in melee combat with a literal giant and win, but god forbid my female fighter has similarly high strength.
Oh, I remember this chucklefuck - he's the dimwit that said that rape is a great plot device and should be used in lots more stories, because murder's a crime and we have loads of stories about murder. Then when everyone pointed out how stupid that was, he just went "HURP DURP GUESS I PISSED OFF THE ONLINE MOB"
>>47461168
He gets into lots of Twitter slapfights with SJWs and religious people, so I'd say you win your bet.
>>47457154
>false flagging
It's literally got desborough's name on it, anyone who doesn't think it's /pol/shit is an idiot.
>>47456948
Written by a James "Grim" Desborough, a "gamer-gate" supporting rape apologist, with a long (as in 15+ year) history of harassment of women who disagree with him in any way.
I know one personally who had to change her name as the only way to stop him campaigning against her, because he disagreed with her judgement calls during a game, and she'd broken up with someone he considered a friend - her actual comment on it was "I still have to watch what I do and where I speak in public due to him"
I know multiple people who were targets of harassment campaigns by him, and that was long before gamer gate. He's worse now.
the author is one of the most repugnant people I've ever had the misfortune to meet.
>>47459391
>That about sums up the modern left
>Poverty and racism are imaginary problems, but people that don't say "merry Christmas" and men wearing high heels in the bathroom are threatening human civilization.
Who is ready for the Trumpocalypse?
>>47471765
He also wrote two books for Mongoose; one was about how girl gamers are only worthwhile if they put up with creepy bullshit, and the other was just a "hilarious" D&D sourcebook about sex spells and the Demi-Plane of Boners
>>47471995
I'd be inclined to call bullshit, but then I remembered how one of the people who made an online petition against him got a shit-ton of rape threats from Mongoose fanboys.
>>47464083
>Making a snap decision in seconds in calm and collected.
>Having a think for ten minutes is having a shit fit.
Do you even know how stupid you sound?
>>47471995
Care to share any stories about meeting him in person? Is he totally weird or one of those guys who seems chill and then suddenly shows you his power level?
>>47471995
Citations, I'll have to ask for some.
>>47464336
>every socially progressive person is totally retarded
Good meme Mr Cruz
>>47470520
>Kidney Stones.
>>47472070
I've not heard of rape threats made by him personally. But condoning of that sort of action? certainly.
I cut all ties with him about 2003 and have deliberately avoided not just him but that entire circle of people around him. But I know a fair few who, as mentioned, were harassed constantly for years, and his name still crops up every so often because of the shit he does - like his Mongoose goons.
I didnt hear any of the victims I know say they'd had rape threats, but that was a different circle to the gamergate neanderthals he now supports.
His old modus operandi was constant bombardment of victims with demands, litigation within society rules (ie, appeals etc) online stalking, bombardment with hundreds of emails, and all that sort of shit.
as I say, he's one of the most repulsive people I've ever met.
>>47465682
THAT WOMAN WAS BLACK!!!!!
RESPECT HER LIFE CHOICES!!!!!
>>47471995
It's amazing how much my ability to give the benefit of the doubt has eroded.
To the extent that as soon as someone starts making accusations of harassment, misogyny and rape-apology I have to assume malicious intent on their part. I've just seen too many witch hunts to think otherwise.
So go for it. Hit me with some evidence. I'd be interested to see if there is any.
>>47470318
>the point of fiction and fantasy is to help improve our world through the promotion of social progress
Except that's clearly wrong, as can be shown with even a cursory review of fiction from early history.
>>47469638
>If you are addressing issues of race, gender, and sexual preference in your games, then you are failing as a GM.
Sounds like you just want to play at rolling dice to kill pretend monsters. Good stories include issues of race, sex and sexuality. If you get triggered when these things come up I pity you.
>>47472121
Even on an anonymous Outer Mongolian Throat-singing board like 4chan, I am unwilling to cite either the victims I know, or my own experiences, given I have absolutely no desire for any quotes from myself to come back to the man, and to have his attention turn in my direction. I cut all ties more than a decade ago, and want that to remain the case.
Likewise, I'm not going to give examples from friends, because I wouldn't wish to see his attention turn on my worst enemy.
>>47472099
in person... hard to describe. As a general guy, mostly sort of your average nerdy geek. But then you'd have him have some difference of opinion, and it would rapidly escalate to scary levels. That sort of almost-raging intensity where it would be arguing, not in a physical way, but where there was absolutely no way he'd back down on an idea where he thought anyone was wrong. (and of course, he was never wrong).
To be quite honest, I avoided the guy even then, because he had a reputation as a colossal dick. So at conventions and the likes, my normal action was to just politely say hello, and get away. And accidentally miss any games or events he was involved in, due to other commitments. Wasnt worth the hassle.
>>47470296
From reading it, it's much more measured and objective than anything that sets out to be "anti-SJW" would be.
>>47471136
Couldn't they just make that extra point go to agility, just to keep the gender bonuses physical and slightly more reasonable?
Not that women are generally faster then men, but considering the Waifus and Healsluts /tg/ play, wouldn't that make a bit more sense?
>>47472176
i have a feeling transnigger is just an excuse for white people to say nigger without feeling guilty about it.good fucking luck though if you want to tell black people that.
>>47472233
>Except that's clearly wrong, as can be shown with even a cursory review of fiction from early history.
Absolutely untrue. Most early fiction was Aesopic fairy tales about shit that people were not suppose to do. Lots of horror stories about kids not listening to parents, people not listening to god, and other such stuff specifically to shape society in a way that people thought was "progress".
So yes, that's always been the point of fiction. To help inform people about what they should and should not do, through storytelling.
>>47470808
That makes complete sense though? There's nothing inherently odd about believing the complete absence of something is preferable to that "something" being implemented, but that "something" being implemented properly is preferable to mostly absent and unstructured "something".
Example: Better dead than red, but better healthy, strong and proud red than pathetic and half-dead
>>47472275
>Even on an anonymous Outer Mongolian Throat-singing board like 4chan, I am unwilling to cite either the victims I know, or my own experiences, given I have absolutely no desire for any quotes from myself to come back to the man, and to have his attention turn in my direction. I cut all ties more than a decade ago, and want that to remain the case.
>Likewise, I'm not going to give examples from friends, because I wouldn't wish to see his attention turn on my worst enemy.
So hearsay and nothing substantive. Can't say that was unexpected.
I'm sick to death of rumour-mongering horseshit. If you've being totally honest, consider giving people some reason to believe you. The world is rapidly running out of fucks to give.
>>47472472
>Man renowned for harassment campaigns.
>I dont want to have his attention turn back to me.
>OMG UNSUBSTANTIATED HORSESHIT!
Yes. Fuck off Grim, or whatever apologist shit you are that's busy lapping up whatever bile he's said this week. I'm not going to give examples that could put me, my family, or my friends at danger from that suck fuck again. He was a cunt in the 90's and around 2003, he's a bigger cunt 13 years on, and I have no wish to have him dragged back into the same company that I keep
Do you understand?
Good.
Now go fuck yourself. .
>>47461398
I've met lots of reasonable people that didn't like where the current Feminist movement was going. I've never met someone who called himself an Egalitarian that wasn't a hateful NEET projecting his failings on women. Every. Songle. Time.
>>47472542
Funny how your claims are impossible to prove. And also convenient.
Look, we're all tired of the whole schtick where radfems constantly go "I was raped 15,000 times between the time I woke up and the time I cashed my welfare check, DON'T QUESTION ME SHITLORDS!" If you can't prove it, and you can't even mention it because of fear of harassment, then shut the fuck up. You're either lying or a coward, and in neither case am I concerned for your words. Afraid to speak in public because of this guy? Second amendment exists for a reason.
>>47472542
>Man renowned for harassment campaigns.
>Truefax, honest!
Yeah, nah. Anyone gets accused of something that in this case satisfies the definition of criminal activity and I'll be asking for proof of the claims.
>>47472542
>Fuck off Grim, or whatever apologist shit you are that's busy lapping up whatever bile he's said this week.
I don't even know him (beyond hearing the name). All I know is that over the past couple of years I've seen multiple people I DO know subjected to spurious, unsubstantiated accusations of bigotry and harassment spread by people with malicious intent.
It's innocent until proven guilty for me now, I'm afraid. My stock of good will has run dry.
>>47472611
I believe you and you're definitely not spouting horseshit.
>>47472611
Probably because an egalitarian would be against affirmative action and other legal and institutional discrimination based on sex and race, which makes them an unforgivable rapist bigot to people like you.
>>47472673
jesus, you're a fucking ignorant bog troll arent you?
Also, second amendment? Grim, from BASINGSTOKE?
I'll give you one fucking guess where I life, and the second amendment means precisely fuck all here.
But I suppose when you're too fucking thick to work out that if I knew him 15-odd years ago, my life and priorities may have changed since then? I'll give you one guess what that might entail.
What exactly would I get out of my "convenient claims" other than the fact I happened to note about this being written by the vindictive fucker who made several of my friends' lives hell for years, who has a history of harassing those who he perceives to be against his "cause", whatever twisted pro-rape misogynistic shit it might be nowadays?
If you think I'm a "radfem", well, the fact you even use that phrase rather indicates you're a fucking moron already, but no the idea that someone telling the fact someone is a fucking shitty human being makes them a "radfem" is even more evidence that you were dropped on your head as a child.
You're not even worth my time. But those who aren't brainwashed fucking mongoloids: Be careful of a single word Desborough writes. The man is a fucking cunt. The sad thing is that he might manage to make another few pennies off this latest drivel.
>>47472542
Anon, your imput has been taken into account as it is: A post on an anonymous imageboard. Maybe true, maybe not. Unless something backs your claims, it will never be anything else.
Did you expect us to suddently hate/love the man beacause of something an anon said?
>>47456973
>wtf even is this shit
>I can't believe that's real
Neither can I. I just killed myself, hoping it was an hallucination, yet the thread is still here.
>>47469429
Hyerifag, you already have a board to shit up.
>>47473147
>Did you expect us to suddently hate/love the man beacause of something an anon said?
no.
But I hope you'll take a look at his past history, beyond this one book, and make your own mind up about who he is.
I hope you'll see he's sort of shitty person I know he is. But I cant force you to not think he's a wonderful guy who's the last bastion of men's rights, if you're that way inclined, can I?
In fact, I'd rather no-one took my word alone - with or without references that would ID me. Do the research, think for yourself.
>>47461370
strikes me more as a bernie bro than alt right
>>47470868
>common ownership of property
>no government
pick one sempai. how will you get people to give up their property without being coerced?
>>47460849
>But men are only stronger relative to women
No you fucking moron. They are stronger relative to women, but it's not ONLY relative since the difference is measurable independently.
It's not like they can both lift the same amount except when they're competing.
>>47473312
The people who are overly focused on the "character" of someone when discussing their views and opinions are usually the ones who are wrong and trying for the good old ad hominem.
"Well his opinion is suspect because he's a dick" just makes you look like an asshole, focus on countering their argument, not sticking your fingers in your ear because they're a meanie.
You can be a total asshole and also be right, you know.
>>47473513
not them, but the differences in strength between men and women are generally a factor of size. Sure, there are some differences in bone structure that effect super elite lifting, but if a woman has as much muscle as a man she will be generally as strong.
So women who are as strong as men are rarer, because it is difficult for women to build muscle with their lower test levels, but that does not preclude the possibility of women as strong as men.
>>47473465
>Socialism and anarcho-communism are the same thing.
Come on, kouhai, please do some research.
Also note that traditional socialist philosophers put emphasis on the concept of a nation "of the people, by the people and for the people". The base premise being that we own the government, so everything that is part of the government is communal property as well.
Before anyone brings up the USSR, let's note that Stalin's "communism" was a totalitarian state. Or else you're gonna have to acknowledge that both our and North Korea's governments are "republics".
>>47473689
that's well and good as a philosophy but I mean logistically how the fuck are you going to do it. How do you take a real person, give them the power to take people's property away so that it can be given to the people, and then tell them that they are obligated to work "for the people" and not be a dictator? The public choice dilemma is very real and very much unanswered.
This is not even considering whether or not common ownership of property is a good idea, which it's fucking not at all.
Ownership comes in (generally) two forms, the right to have the property and the right to earn cash flow from the property. Most non-anarchic socialists want the second to be illegal but not the first. So you would have a house that was yours, but you couldn't sell it on the market.
Without the cash flow property right you don't have a price mechanism. Without a price mechanism there is no way for supply and demand schedules for capital goods to equilibrate, which is how you get underperforming socialist economies.
I can understand and even agree with the socialist sympathy for anarchism, but actual communal ownership of property is a terrible idea.
>>47473839
>that's well and good as a philosophy but I mean logistically how the fuck are you going to do it. How do you take a real person, give them the power to take people's property away so that it can be given to the people, and then tell them that they are obligated to work "for the people" and not be a dictator?
First flaw of the American refusal to consider governmental renovation: if AI can replace people in the labor sector, and the writing sector, and the art sector... why does everyone assume that they can't replace people in the political sector?
And before anyone bitches about the scary AI, note that an artificial intelligence need not have right to privacy. Therefore it can be open-source, and any data it utilizes can be public domain.
>>47473598
>Yes, but they're only stronger because they're bigger and stronger!
Except women and men in the same weight class still have a big performance gap.
Besides, even though size is definitely a factor, that doesn't really argue against the stat difference, it just reminds us that they should have a size stat difference as well as a strength stat difference.
>>47473914
>weight class
graph is about muscle mass, not weight class. I should have been more clear. Of course women in the same weight class will have less muscle mass.
>>47473901
Desiring to push society in the direction of an unworkable political, economic, and social philosophy on the basis of hypothetical advancements in AI technology sometime in the future is a really stupid idea.
>>47473839
How the fuck are you logically going to create a system where wealthy people can influence law makers in order to help themselves, and have anything resembling democracy?
The problem with your argument is that you're holding the alternative to a higher standard than the current state of things. Things kinda suck now, in case you didn't notice, and saying that the alternatives are problematic kinda glosses over that.
>"first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye"
>>47473931
I know, I'm just trying to figure out what you are actually arguing.
How is one sex having more muscle mass not a clear case of them having a stat bonus? Are you just opposed, on principle, to any system that puts men at a theoretically higher max value?
Like, I understand the information you are giving out, I'm just not sure what you expect us to infer from it.
>>47473941
>Desiring to push society in the direction of an unworkable political, economic, and social philosophy on the basis of hypothetical advancements in AI technology sometime in the future is a really stupid idea.
You're assuming that any of the AI I'm talking about need be even remotely that complex.
Think about it this way: why do we have an IRS? We can automate the entire thing with a complex accounting database that handles all the input we get. We send out your same standardized forms as before, only that shit is put through a server rather than human hands. Citizens have full access to the source code, and their personal data in the database (tied to an account they can access).
inb4 hacking. Could it be hacked? Sure. Someone can theoretically sneak into federal buildings and steal shit too, yet no one freaks out about that and demands we avoid buildings.
>>47474020
> inb4 hacking
> He thinks hacking in the problem
Data input/ manipulation is never the issue. The issue is how we measure and determine the taxation of assets and income. I'm not sure you understand how accounting actually works.
>>47473901
I will not take that stance, instead I will suggest that it is literally impossible for a computer to replace government because the solution to the problem is beyond NP difficult to solve. This is primarily because of the lack of a price mechanism when you take away people's property.
So for the sake of full disclosure, I am an economics professor and while this is not my area (I do historical econ) I am aware of the relevant economic literature. here have been a few people to address this problem, but the first to do it directly was Mises (pdf in pic). Before you rag on me for citing an Austrian economist, look up all the praise that Mises got from socialists for this (see what Oscar Lange wrote in particular).
Beyond the old ends-means analysis that Mises does here there have also been papers by computational social scientists on whether or not the computational problem is actually solvable without a price mechanism. The answer is that without the price equations the system is not identified and there is no way for the computer to figure out which of the infinite possible solutions for the use of resources is optimal.
>>47473598
That's a tautology.
>Women are as strong as men...if women were built like men.
The whole point is that men have more muscle mass in the upper body, on average, so normalizing between them "per unit" is a ridiculous metric. It's the absolute measure that matters, not the per unit measure.
This is what science tainted by ideology looks like.
>>47473967
>you're holding the alternative to a higher standard than the current state of things
I see that you're using a dialectic, but I am just trying to do ends means analysis here. The problem of the dialectic is that you are comparing one worst to another without considering the immense costs of transition.
My argument is two-fold:
1) Assuming that the ends of socialism were superior the means are too expensive to pursue it.
2) The ends of socialism aren't superior to general anarchism.
>>47474059
>women are not as big as men
Women are not generally as a big as men. Arguing about averages is different from arguing about upper and lower limits. All I'm saying that it's not unreasonable to have a few women as strong as men, and those women happen to be player characters.
>>47474057
Central planning problem in a nutshell: central planners - in human or AI form - can never have enough information to compute an optimal system without having prices to convey information about the state of the system.
Mises nailed it.
>>47474110
Well, if you're assuming female adventurers are at the 90th percentile and male adventurers are only at the 50th, then sure, they're the same.
But it would be more rational and fair to assume both are at the 90th percentile, and consequently still not equal in this attribute.
But maybe you're right, if the numbers of female:male adventurers are uneven, like say, 10 males for every 1 female. Then that female could be at the 99th percentile and be equivalent to the 10 men at the 80th percentile.
>>47474188
>if the numbers of female:male adventurers are uneven, like say, 10 males for every 1 female
That would be implicit, yes.
>>47474188
>>47474218
Also, I should note that my actual line of thinking was that the only "adventurers" in the world are the pc's in the party so we're working with a particularly small sample size.
>>47473598
Nobody ever argued that male muscle was intrinsicly more powerful than female muscle. But that a higher percentage of the male body is skeletal muscle, and that the male body is significantly larger
>>47474090
>one worst to another
meant to say one world to another
>>47474057
>I will not take that stance, instead I will suggest that it is literally impossible for a computer to replace government because the solution to the problem is beyond NP difficult to solve.
Still missing my point. I'm not saying that an AI can replace our government AS IT IS. I'm saying that if we took certain things we currently beholden to politician decisions and federal worker labor, and replaced it with a DIFFERENT structure that utilized digital automation to a significant enough degree we could create some new infrastructure for our society. A public accounting database with a tax system based on hard data rather than opinion (as many deductibles are handled on an opinion basis), which would be perfectly suitable for an AI unlike the horrid math mess that our current tax law is.
I'm not talking about upgrade, I'm talking about replacement.
>Beyond the old ends-means analysis that Mises does here there have also been papers by computational social scientists on whether or not the computational problem is actually solvable without a price mechanism.
Interesting. Now what do we consider a price mechanism? Some computation to give products in the US an objective value? I might have a solution for that.
>>47474057
Despite all the bullshit that flooded into /tg/ over the years, this is one of the reasons I can love this board, and this website.
>>47474247
So I guess what the argument is boils down to is where the upper limit of female physiology is wrt muscle mass. Is it physically possible for a woman to acquire enough weight to have the same amount of muscle mass as a man. She would clearly have to weight much more, because women have more fat stores they can get rid of, but working with such a small sample of extremes I'm not interested in arguments about probabilities and averages.
>>47474268
>Now what do we consider a price mechanism? Some computation to give products in the US an objective value? I might have a solution for that.
You don't get it at all. Read the PDF the other anon posted. "Some computation of objective value" is not possible because it does not exist. The market is the only signaling and information-communication mechanism possible, and it fluctuates down to the micro-second.
>>47474299
As far as "balancing" races and sexes go in games, personally I'm not in favor of any kind of hard caps or modifiers, but rather just having an understanding that differences from the average of a given group will be visible, at least as it pertains to stats which are physical. IE, a man with 13 strength would look fairly athletic, a woman with 13 strength would be fucking ripped
>>47474268
You wrote a lot of things, but said substantially little, because you still don't understand how these things function as a system in the first place.
It's like you're trying to write computer code, but just telling the computer
> Hey computer, write code and stuff, and make it run super good and without bugs.
>>47474268
>I'm talking about replacement.
capital replaces labor all the time when labor becomes expensive. nothing particularly socialist about that.
>objective value
This is where we go off the rails and I can't help you. Economic calculus is predicated upon the presumption that different people have different preferences. If everyone has the same preferences then socialism is clearly ideal.
I think it's worth considering the argument that a truly anarchic world wherein everyone actually had the same preferences would actually be functionally identical to anarcho-socialism. So the push towards anarchy is the real front of the revolution. If people have different preferences then capitalism is required, and if everyone has identical preferences then socialism will be achieved without any struggle for it.
I really would like to talk about this more, but I have to go move into a new apartment
>>47474324
>You don't get it at all.
Yes, I do. And I absolutely agree with Ludwig von Mises. We did not have the means to control this data in the 19th or 20th centuries.
But things have changed, and technology has improved. It's absurd to simply claim that it's impossible because a man that never new the modern digital age says that the technology doesn't exist. I can show you shit from the 14th century about the impossibilities of piercing the firmament.
>"Some computation of objective value" is not possible because it does not exist.
That's nice. My solution doesn't require one.
>The market is the only signaling and information-communication mechanism possible, and it fluctuates down to the micro-second.
That's good and fine. We already have databases filled with every single bank transaction happening at every micro-second of the day. So the data collection is already possible. We haven't even tried to create the server, so we can't say whether the processing power is impossible (and I highly doubt it is).
>>47474355
okay, so we're actually in total agreement
>>47474421
>This is where we go off the rails and I can't help you.
So because you brought up objective value you dismiss me? I don't get it. You're the one who said something about a "price mechanism", and I asked about what that was in your words. You don't have to get bitchy just because it's not an objective pricing system, just tell me what the fuck it is.
>>47474437
This can't be allowed
I take it back -4 str is entirely appropriate
>>47457121
>>47461370
He wrote the Book of Erotic Fantasy for 3.5e, and there's been a longstanding rumor that he's into the Gorean lifestyle. Really nothing terribly offensive (although the Gor lifestyle is a bit creepy), but given how RPGnet treats him you'd think he wrote FATAL or something.
>>47474425
The problem is not about "controlling data" or having the latest technology or compiling all transactions in the world into a single database.
That won't solve the calculation and planning problem, which has to predict indeterminate conditions and preferences far into the future.
Nobody - even with alien technology and a computer the size of the sun - can predict all the preferences of everyone in the world, into the future, in a systemic way, because there is no equation for it (NP-complete problem). The greatest mathematicians and economists of the 20th century tried, and failed.
You would essentially have to create a perfect oracle that could retrace and predict the movement of every atom in the universe. Good luck with that.
>>47474425
I bet you think eliminating cash is a good thing.
>>47474569
>That won't solve the calculation and planning problem, which has to predict indeterminate conditions and preferences far into the future.
No, it doesn't. You're assuming that we have to stick to the current operands that socialists want to use. Giving welfare to someone based on what they "need", right?
Yet as we have already seen in some smaller experiments, basic income is both effective at handling poverty and minimalist in investment requirements. And no ridiculous calculations are necessary: give everyone the same flat income... those who need it get it, those who need it a little get a little more, and those who didn't need it at all make enough money that they can do whatever the hell they want with their share (donate it to charity or whatever).
It seems wasteful, but governments often waste more money hiring people to investigate this shit than they ever would simply giving it without restrictions to every citizen. And the fact that this money can potentially act as the capital for the next great American business venture is too good an opportunity to pass up.
Of course, this is the part where you tell me that this is all a fantasy, and we can't possibly afford to print more money considering how much we print to bomb brown people in the Middle East.
>>47474733
Your understanding of basic economics and finance is really extremely poor. Please read more.
>>47474462
Okay actual last post from my phone.
I'm not dismissing you at all. I'm saying that economics is the science of human decision making in the face of diverse preferences and finite resources.
If you have an object theory of value that you can impose upon people and get them to accept then socialism is the theoretical ideal. This is why socialism and religion go well together because religions provide objective theories of value.
Capitalism is the optimal means through which people engage in Economic calculus while retaining their own personal preferences and beliefs.
Rather than dismissing you what I was trying to say is that I literally can't help you further your theory because you've gone beyond where my specialist training ends.
I will only caution that objective theories of value are not often imposed without coercive force. If yoy dont have a monoploy on force then you have two or more groups warring for legitimacy, and a monopoly on coercion is a government, which is against the principles of anarchy. This is why I was against the idea of socialism and anarchy coexisting originally.
Our differences just boil down to willingness to get behind any 'objective theory of value.'
>>47461253
>medicine
It depends. Race will give you some information about predisposition to various ailments, and is very useful when you're doing population-level studies, but is far less important than family and personal history on an individual level. Which, honestly, just about sums up my opinion on the matter - it's a real thing with some real differences and is visibly obvious in many cases, which means that idiots with overactive pattern-matching habits like to assign whatever differences they do see to it, instead of searching for more reliable sources of information. Same with sex, although that's a good deal more important for medical purposes (most doctors will not consider a diagnosis of hysterical pregnancy for a non-Burns male).
>>47474819
>Your understanding of basic economics and finance is really extremely poor. Please read more.
Apparently my problem is the opposite; you disagree with me because you have not read the experimental data I have.
http://www.kela.fi/web/en/news-archive/-/asset_publisher/lN08GY2nIrZo/content/from-idea-to-experiment-preliminary-report-on-a-universal-basic-income-completed
http://isa-global-dialogue.net/indias-great-experiment-the-transformative-potential-of-basic-income-grants/
>>47474825
>Our differences just boil down to willingness to get behind any 'objective theory of value.'
I don't believe it exists or is necessary. Which was why I said I have a solution.
>>47474946
Those studies really are bad and let me tell you why
Small scale and large scale differences matter because in the small scale paying people basic income does not disrupt the long run average cost of labor
Measures of labor productivity that people use when considering universal income and minimum wage do not include people who don't work as zero productivity, so low productivity people who can't earn higher than the wage who stop working and produce nothing actually increase the productivity measure despite less being made.
>>47460849
Actually, Women are much better at navigating social situations and reading subtle visual cues than men are, which could easily be represented by +1 Cha or +1 Wis. Considering how important STR is to the average adventurer, I'd be inclined to give them both for balance's sake if I was at all inclined to use a setup like this.
>>47475048
>He thinks +1 to Str is equivalent to +1 to two casting stats
come back when you're done fucking your party's healslut
>>47475048
But is it fair to say that this is genetic rather than a learned response because they have a comparative advantage in solving problems using socialisation over using force?
If it is a learned response then it's fair to affect the average but not the upper/lower bounds
>>47475033
>Small scale and large scale differences matter because in the small scale paying people basic income does not disrupt the long run average cost of labor
The long-run average cost of labor is going to hit 0, and nothing we do with wages is going to change that. Keeping pay low does not prevent robots from existing, and right-libertarians need to stop with this fucking fantasy.
Eventually, people will be replaced in ALL labor jobs by machines that do it better. Muscle can't beat metal.
>Measures of labor productivity that people use when considering universal income and minimum wage do not include people who don't work as zero productivity, so low productivity people who can't earn higher than the wage who stop working and produce nothing actually increase the productivity measure despite less being made.
Ah yes, the "unworthy poor" argument.
Fun fact: it would be cheaper to pay basic income than it would be to throw them in jail or prison. Why not give them a small sum of money so they stay the fuck out of our way, as well as giving some of them a taste of what ambition might provide them?
Now for the callous reasons: even those who waste this money will help the economy. Strippers are part of our economy, as are liquor businesses. If they want to poison themselves to death with the cash we give them, so be it. They're no longer sucking the government teat when they die of an overdose, and hardworking people benefit in the process. Win-win.
>>47475131
>>47475131
These arguments are getting worse
The long run ratio of costs for labor and capital have not shifted in the hundreds of years since we've been able to calculate them. The price of labor is fucking skyrocketing around the world. If the LRAC of labor were to go to zero then we would never use capital.
There is nothing about the poor that's unworthy. You're plan literally makes them unemployable. Plus how would you POSSIBLY do this without state enforcement and putting someone in charge of that state? You're just pretending that it's okay for you to play dictator and call yourself 'benevolent' and 'for the people.'
Whenever I hear people bring up sexual dimorphism among humans as a reason for stat differences in a game with other races I can't help but laugh.
An average human woman should have less strength than a male Hobbit less than half her height, what a marvellous meme.
>>47464083
>Their brains literally have a shit fit when asked the whole "save your mother or your child" scenario and explain why.
Don't you just pick either the mother or the child?
Personally I'd pick the child. I do like my mother but there's more years of life in the child.
Though I'm a man so maybe I don't understand at all how the female mind works when forced to pick between two options.
>whole boxes vs. string way of thinking between the genders letting men make wholly disconnected decisions while stowing away morality and emotions whereas for women and their string way of think means that everything is connected and they have serious issue compartmentalizing
Huh, is that why giving women moderator or guild officer powers always goes horribly wrong?
Because they'll start swinging the banhammer or gkickboot at people for hurt feelz or muh morals or for telling the girl in question to stop being a cunt and do her bloody job (i.e. putting her personal dramaz aside and keep the chat on-topic or make sure the guild is slightly less of a special ed class)?
>>47472076
Person specified that the brain has a shitfit because it starts firing randomly and firing in areas unrelated to the issue, i.e. it's gone off the rails and its activity has lost structure.
I'm not sure if you're intentionally being the "typical overreacting female strawman™" for the (You)s to try to start a flame war, or if your reading comprehension shuts down when you see something you don't like, but you still feel the need to respond anyway.
>>47475261
>You're plan literally makes them unemployable.
Absolutely the opposite.
My plan gives them money for college education money, housing in a dormitory, books and supplies... if they want it.
My plan gives them capital for starting a small business, one which all of their friends and family can also invest in with their basic income... if they want to.
Basic income gives options. Opponents are just mad it doesn't force someone to take an option, when the reality is that it's likely to be more beneficial if we just leave people to find their own choices.
Yes, some people will make bad choices. But that's not any different for the rich than it is for the poor.
>>47475364
>it gives them all of these options
What you're implying is that there were previously uncompetitive capital markets where people can't leverage against their future income. IN other words what you're arguing is that banks that could be making a shit load of money off giving loans to students who will improve their human capital are instead going to refuse to give them loans to keep poor people down. That's why no poor people in the world is able to acquire student debt, oh wait that's wrong.
They were given loans to go improve their human capital stock and instead used it to party and skip class. How many people have straight A's from in demand fields who can't find a job?
>>47475448
>IN other words what you're arguing is that banks that could be making a shit load of money off giving loans to students who will improve their human capital are instead going to refuse to give them loans to keep poor people down.
Actually, what I'm saying is that forcing someone to participate in the market is a form of racketeering. And Libertarians seems to conveniently ignore this fact... I'll never hear them argue that some mobster should be allowed to break your arm if you can't pay a fee, but starvation in the street is an acceptable death for lack of rent.
Student debt is loansharking with a legitimate face. You're a colossal moron for even trying to advocate for it.
>They were given loans to go improve their human capital stock and instead used it to party and skip class. How many people have straight A's from in demand fields who can't find a job?
So wait, which do you believe... that it's unfair that people who have degrees in high-demand fields can't find jobs, or that they were all lazy bums who deserve to suffer? I honestly can't tell which side you're standing on in this one.
>>47475521
I'm no libertarian, just an anarchist
Voluntary exchange is by definition not racketeering. You signed a fucking contract and no bank is breaking your arm for not paying them back.
People chose their fields of work and are earning their marginal product in wage.
There is no right and wrong, this is a positive analysis of economic systems. You made statements about the economy that implied things that literally are not true.
What the fuck even is this thread?
Is this
>Fantasy economics
or
>commenting on SJWs in tabletop games
or
>/pol/vasion
or what?
>>47475653
I'm half of this political argument, and I'm not /pol/. So unless he's lefty /pol/ then it's just general shit flinging.
>>47475589
>Voluntary exchange is by definition not racketeering.
If your choice is "volunteering" or starving to death, it's not a fucking choice.
>People chose their fields of work and are earning their marginal product in wage.
Assuming they choose their field of work. If there's only one job availability in your town, and you can't leave town, how much choice do you have?
>You made statements about the economy that implied things that literally are not true.
At what point did I do that? Your entire argument against my statement relies on the presumption that welfare must be based on predictive science, rather than preparative science. We don't need to know the future, we only need to know the extremes of the past to know what we need to safeguard our people from. We can adapt as new issues arise.
>>47475653
It's abouta guy making fun of diversity that some people want in their games. And one guy who is full of himself about saying he is litteraly worse the Mega Hitler who wrote racial holy FATAL.
Don't get me wrong, he sounds like an asshole to deal with, but I'm not going out of my saying he is The Anti-Christ of tabletop gaming.
>>47475692
Voluntary exchange is where both parties benefit. No good has perfectly inelastic demand. The reasoning your using is that a person can be extorted by a monopoly food provider, but our competitive food markets are driving down the price of food as fast as the agri-lobby bastards will let them.
Voluntary exchange is the diamond-water problem. Plus, just look at how well the world has done by moving towards markets and away from mercantilism. 2015 was the first year in history where less than 10% of the world was living on less than $2/day (in real dollars). We're becoming richer and more prosperous because of market integration and saturation. The rising tide is lifting all boats.
>people can't move
Are you seriously going to imply that people can't move if there isn't a government to stop them? People crossed the entire world all the way back in ancient times just looking for a better life, but its not that some guy doesnt want to move but he literally can't move out of Detroit because there's no market for transportation? Last time I checked there were private busses to every major city that cost a few bucks.
>implied incorrect economic predictions
You're statement about LRAC of labor was just wrong. You're statement about capital-labor replacement implied that the ratio of the price of capital to labor had changed in favor of capital, since they're substitutes, but thus is wrong, the ratio has been constant.
You made statements about universal income improving people's ability to invest in themselves, but this implies that the capital markets are incomplete, which is outlandish considering the amount of people who get loans.
Youre theories have predictions. These predictions can be tested. You're predictions are wrong.
>>47472076
>Men are capable of focusing wholly on the task at hand and make decisions accordingly
>Women get hung up trying to quantify every potentially related factor meaning they can't separate logical decisions from reality.
In case you need further help for your reading comprehension.
Women can potentially be better generals or administrators when given time to think over a subject as they can consider more factors come decision time.
Conversely they're terrible at making on the spot decisions or general decisions where morality is involved.
The response of a 50% male 50% female class on the minecart dilemma is the perfect example of this. More men will take the utilitarian option at a significantly higher rate than women and will do so more quickly on average.
This doesn't mean one is inherently better than the other, just that we're built for different things. One of which is the age old hunter vs gatherer division.
>>47475913
Morality sorry, don't know why autocorrect went for reality
>>47474569
>He hasn't read the foundation series
>>47475910
>Plus, just look at how well the world has done by moving towards markets and away from mercantilism.
That capitalism is better than mercantilism does not mean capitalism is the best solution. It doesn't even mean it's the most optimal solution. It's just the most effective one we have (even that's arguable; hybrid socialist-capitalist systems have shown to be superior to purer capitalist systems).
>The rising tide is lifting all boats.
A rising tide doesn't help a ship that's sinking. And that's the inherent problem: for all that our economy allegedly gets better, the poorest continue to suffer without relief.
Why does no one bitch about the cost of space colonization despite the fact that we're effectively wasting money until we can commercially send anyone out there, yet it's too "infeasible" to create an indiscriminate safety net that doesn't require a predictive system that is more than NP complex?
>>47475910
>Are you seriously going to imply that people can't move if there isn't a government to stop them?
No, I'm going to explicitly state that governments are not the only things that prevent people from moving, and a purely capitalistic society would still have hurdles.
>People crossed the entire world all the way back in ancient times just looking for a better life
Many people died doing this, as well.
Not that I'm saying that this is reason you're wrong, but I am saying that we're trying to be better than our ancestors, not merely do what they did. Travel across continents was not always survivable, and the instances where it thrives with ease generally involve nomadic cultures with communal grazing lands.
>>47476189
Why does anyone deserve an indiscriminate safety net?
Anyone who cannot take care of themselves is clearly not a productive citizen and therefore is in breach of the social contract
>>47475992
>He thinks psychohistory is real
>>47476189
>>47475910
>You're statement about LRAC of labor was just wrong.
Ugh, alright. Automation still requires maintenance and manufacture, and those things in fact cost money. But if you are honestly arguing that human labor is competitive with automation, you're downright fucking retarded. And no, I won't apologize for that, if that's what you're honestly claiming right now.
Eventually, labor jobs will dry up and be replaced with maintenance and design jobs. The cost of labor doesn't change this, as the money for labor will instead go to research, design and production.
>You made statements about universal income improving people's ability to invest in themselves, but this implies that the capital markets are incomplete, which is outlandish considering the amount of people who get loans.
No, it doesn't. I'm not implying that capitalist systems are incomplete. I'm explicitly stating that some portions of any economic system, including capitalism, is predatory. And predatory marketing is always bad for the economy. Socialist, capitalist... doesn't fucking matter.
That the economy isn't predatory to everyone isn't okay. Yes, some people get good loans. Some people also have nice drug dealers... that doesn't mean the Cartel is okay, and we should support them.
>Youre theories have predictions. These predictions can be tested.
Mises' entire claim hinged on the idea that we must properly predict the needs of the people in order to achieve socialism, and that's impossible. Basic income advocates say "he's right, so let's not predict. That's the only impossible part."
My theory is being tested, and so far it's proving sound.
>>47476250
We don't live in your ancap hell, anon
>>47476250
That's nonsense. Unless you're going to suggest that a person's intrinsic value is directly tied to net worth, which is in direct contravention of literally every ethical system in existence and literally psychopathic.
>>47476280
How is it not?
Net worth is clearly an abstraction of social worth, which is why people of more social worth can afford more and better things
>>47476189
>Why does anyone deserve an indiscriminate safety net?
Same reason anyone deserves the right to free speech. There's no inherent part of the universe that mandates you even know language, let alone have the right to use it. We gave ourselves that right and declared it just.
All freedoms are human inventions. We decide what we deserve. If you don't want an indiscriminate safety net, that's on you. Have fun if shit goes south.
I'd prefer we did. And if we can cover our planet in roads and wires, and drop robots onto stellar objects millions of miles away, we can fucking feed the hungry.
>>47476313
There is absolutely nothing clear about that.
>>47476189
>hybrids
The reason that capitalism is making us richer is because we're getting more market saturation. Poor people are not as bad off, they're getting richer too. See global income stats, $2/day percent, etc.
The hybrid systems you're promoting that are fully developed are growing at a snails pace, and the Chinese are still catching up but growing slower and slower.
Full capitalism is the way to long run growth and prosperity.
>hurdles
There are finite resources, hence everything has a cost. The existence of costs is a fact that human beings have to overcome, but luckily we can voluntarily make deals with each other and don't need state coercion to overcome them.
Yes it's costly to move, and the existence of transactions costs limits potential economic activity, but people make professions out of lowering transactions costs. Without a market these entrepreneurs would not be incentivized to make the innovations that we rely upon.
>>47476250
This is nonsense. Churches, communities, clubs and families have always taken care of the less abled. We don't discard people just because they produce less. We just also don't need a government to impose rules to fix problems that can be dealt with through cultural capital and institutions. The free and voluntary association of people and clear and enforcable private ownership of property is all we need to meet our social and economic ends.
>>47476344
Yeah, you know that's cool and all, saying we should help people.
But what are you doing about it, instead of sitting their on the internet and arguing it?
>>47476269
>'m explicitly stating that some portions of any economic system, including capitalism, is predatory
How can you even define predatory in positive theory? If youre talking about zero sim versus non zero sum then we agree. If two people voluntarily agree to something then it is at least weakly to the benefit of both parties involved.
>>47476269
>My theory is being tested, and so far it's proving sound.
There are serious concerns about these tests. If you must insist then I'll agree that testing is still ongoing, but they are FAR from conclusive. The scale is just so important to these things and no large scale tests of universal income exist, and large scale minimum wage has been disastrous to the employment of less productive people.
Phones now at 1% so I good luck fighting anyone else
>>47475264
That seems less an issue of how women are treated and more an issue of not handicapping halflings nearly as much as they should be
>>47476424
>The hybrid systems you're promoting that are fully developed are growing at a snails pace
If by "snails pace" you mean "sustainable pace", then yes. They grow at slower speeds because they do not maximize profits over societal benefit.
>Full capitalism is the way to long run growth and prosperity.
Short term, you mean. Full capitalism rarely takes into account long-term sustainability. Every single market crash that has occurred in the US has been thanks to short-term gains.
Capitalism is a great idea on paper, and it theoretically helps everyone out without regulation. But when regulation stops, bad things tend to happen. Libertarians/anarcho-capitalists often forget all the horrible elements of the 19th century Golden Age.
>>47476424
>There are finite resources, hence everything has a cost.
Costs are not always tied to the finiteness of something. Case in point: our atmosphere is finite, yet no one pays a breathing fee.
>The existence of costs is a fact that human beings have to overcome
No, it's not. We invented cost when we invented currency and barter. It's not a state we have to overcome, it's an economic flaw we created that we need to fix.
>>47476461
>But what are you doing about it, instead of sitting their on the internet and arguing it?
I am treasurer of a non-profit that operates in poor rural towns.
>>47476547
>large scale minimum wage has been disastrous to the employment of less productive people.
Denmark's minimum wage is the equivalent of $22+ an hour. How bad is their unemployment?
Note that while they have an unemployment currently .8 higher than the US as of today, it should be noted that they do not have the unemployment fluctuations that the US has, nor the same problem of rising part-time employment.
>>47476635
>I am treasurer of a non-profit that operates in poor rural towns.
i stand corrected, carry on then.
>>47476189
Shit countries are shit because the people are shit. There's no reason a country is obligated to help those from other countries, much less attempt to raise them to the same standard of living, which is literally impossible. Any charity the people of a nation feel the desire to give to others is just that: charity. Good will and nothing more. Globalism can piss up a rope.
>>47476473
>How can you even define predatory in positive theory?
Predatory practice would be anything that uses forcible motivation factors to encourage market participation. These factors can be either active or passive: it is just as much predatory for me to hold a gun to your head and demand money as it is to offer to save you from someone else who has the gun at the cost of money. And even if the factor isn't another person, if it is a force incentive it still ends the voluntary element; starvation is a threat, even if no one is causing it.
>>47476344
Feeding the hungry all over the world is in in large part because of the lack of roads and wires in central/south america and africa. Which would take infinitely more resources than shooting a probe into a vacuum and landing it on a rock. You have to build infrastructure, roads, electricity, plumbing, farms with access to gas powered tools and vehicles and gas to power those tools and vehicles. You need to educate the local populace in agriculture and create large scale grain processing plants so they can actually eat the plants they grow, then trucks and truck drivers to take it to people who aren't living on the farms. Basically, what you're asking is for western countries to help a population ten times their size to build what it took hundreds of years to build for themselves. It's impossible. We can HELP, indeed, it would be beneficial for us to do so (mostly for trading purposes), primarily through supply of information about how to most efficiently do things. But there's no way we can be the driving force behind industrialization of such enormous swathes of land and billions of people. They have to be the ones doing it.
>>47476771
>But there's no way we can be the driving force behind industrialization of such enormous swathes of land and billions of people. They have to be the ones doing it.
I absolutely agree, and in no way am I saying that we should immediately switch to this new system. It will take time, and likely have to be implemented in sections, over time. We can do nothing in an instant. Not colonize Mars, not feed every hungry person.
I just wish we'd fucking try starting. Despite what people think, there really isn't enough help going to a lot of the poor in even my country (and I'm from the US). I just think there's more benefit to society in fixing things where we can rather than breaking more things in places we're not wanted.
(Fucking hate ISIS, I just don't think we're spending our money intelligently in the fight against them, so I'd rather it go someplace where it would be of more use.
>>47476881
Cursory googling shows over 50 billion dollars of aid is given to africa each year, and that's not counting just regular investment.
The poor in america have subsidized food, housing, and healthcare, the last of which has been recently considerably expanded.
And despite the memes, the total US military budget is less than 20% of the total budget, dwarfed by domestic social security and medicare.
>>47459955
>I'd bet good money the author is /pol/
>author is self described socialist
pick one
>>47476881
>there really isn't enough help going to a lot of the poor in even my country (and I'm from the US)
This is a bad meme. Your government gives more money per capita to the poor than mine (France), and we are literally socialist.
>>47476991
>Cursory googling shows over 50 billion dollars of aid is given to africa each year, and that's not counting just regular investment.
Throwing money at the problem doesn't solve it. If anything, we need more volunteers and political action.
You can't simply throw cash to private groups and expect good decisions to happen. This is one of the reasons I have said over and over that capitalism alone isn't good enough.
Capitalism is great for motivating people, because it works upon their greed and encourages profitable action. It is not good for charity as these charities are often incentivized to cut the margins at the price of poorer care of the needy.
As for African governments, well... that's a conversation for another time.
>The poor in america have subsidized food, housing, and healthcare, the last of which has been recently considerably expanded.
While the previous two have been beaten down. A person who files for housing must wait for three years to qualify in California. You lose your food stamps if you ever make more than $1200 a month. That's considered a liberal state! I work mostly in Georgia, where these services often don't come to certain parts of the state.
Shit you not, there are people in too poor an area to receive welfare... in the United States.
>>47477383
>Your government gives more money per capita to the poor than mine (France), and we are literally socialist.
Not entirely true. My government gives more subsidies per capita, but that includes corporate subsidies and private prison expenditures.
>>47477437
>My government gives more subsidies per capita, but that includes corporate subsidies and private prison expenditures.
No no, I am talking about your welfare system. It's very generous compared to here.
>>47477478
>No no, I am talking about your welfare system. It's very generous compared to here.
Interesting. Tell me more. What are your country's standard issue of food stamps for a single homeless person (or do you have some other food program)?
>>47477530
No food program at all. Under some conditions you can apply for a minimal living income trough.
>>47477552
>Under some conditions you can apply for a minimal living income trough.
So it's a form of basic income. What are the conditions, is it restricted based on disability, or tied to a work program? I'm interested to know the per-person cost.
>>47477589
>is it restricted based on disability
No, trough there is a (much more generous) basic income for disabled people.
More or less anyone over 25 can ask for it and get it granted if your income is too low, but once you get it you are pretty much forced to take any job that pops up or you will get revoked. The income for a lone person is around 500€/month.
>>47477696
>The income for a lone person is around 500€/month.
Yeah, we give more than that. But it comes with caveats. It requires you to take classes that have never proven to improve hiring chances, and many states do nothing to actively find someone a job. Also, there's a year limit for cash aide. In California it's 7 years. I believe it's 5 years in Georgia. Once you've received that many years of aide, you can never receive cash aide again.
>>47477772
>It requires you to take classes that have never proven to improve hiring chances
Same here, too, but that's not usually managed by the social security
>>47456948
>>47456972
>>47456973
What's the problem? Who gives a shit what people make rpgs of? Stop behaving like children. Fucking retarded.
>>47472275
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet"
t. Abe Lincoln
>>47473096
Put up or shut up, nigga
Serious claims require serious evidence
>>47472126
"WE SHALL NEVA SURRENDA!"
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