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>>47367016
>>47366878
Via: http://www.beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/beyond-mk-iii-a-new-warp-wolf-for-circle-orboros/

>>47367048

Thanks

>>47367048
I really want to play Circle warlocks/beasts with Minions. Why must I be so tempted?

Dead leakers dead thread dead game

What are you goys working on at the moment?

Are you planning to pick up one of the new battleboxes or start a new faction for MKIII?

Mortenebra?
Nightmare?
Karchev?

>>47367777
>What are you goys working on at the moment?

Painting some Man-o-Wars since it looks like they might actually be decent soon. Really looking forward to the new Behemoth sculpt, too.

>>47367777
In the process of moving so spoilers are the only fix I can get right now.

Any news on Steamroller 2016?

>>47367841
>Any news on Steamroller 2016?

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-05-19-2016

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?251284-OFFICIAL-Insider-05-19-William-Hungerford-ADR-Champions

>>47367777
Started painting the new Reliant. Looking nice so for but the paint keeps coming off for no reason. I washed it and based it. But a single light swipe of a finder is enough to take 3 thin layers of paint off. Guess I'll have to simple-green it and start over.

>>47367777
Getting my Mercs painted up after most of them collected dust for two years. Already done with both Magnusi and all his warjacks (2x Renegade, Rover, Mangler), Ashlynn, Rocinante, TAC, and a few solos.

Not looking forward to the giant pile of solos and 10-man units I've still got left to go.

>>47367777
>What are you goys working on at the moment?

Back when Flameguard Cleansers went on sale, I bought a unit and assembled them. Now I'm going to actually paint them up.

And I'm dusting off and touching up my Harbinger, as I look forward to playing her in a lot more casual games.

>>47367805
Mainly focussed on Malifaux but been tempted to paint my Cygnar for Mk3 however >>47367805 made me realise I might end up painting Khador.

I don't want to buy more stuff but I've been putting off gett MoW's because they sucked. I have a Bombadier Bombshell sitting being the only unpainted Khador model I own and I might want to buy them soon.

>>47367805
I'm actually finishing up some shocktroops right now, too.

Also painting Drago and my pair of Berserkers.

>>47367879
This may sound crazy, but try washing the model with soap and water before painting. If there is release agent left on the plastic, paint won't adhere properly.

It's a good habit to just wash and brush (with an old toothbrush) new models and letting them dry before painting.

>>47368161
>This may sound crazy, but try washing the model with soap and water before painting.
Yeah I must have not been thorough enough in that.

>>47367879
What primer do you use?

>>47368322
Vallejo airbrush primer. Worked fine so far.

I just hope I can fix this without stripping the entire model. That's a problem with plastic.

Please share some farrow minions spoilers :) preferably Carver and war hog (rodak ładnie prosi :)) , i don't know what to buy fro ma chap who want to get rid of them ....

>>47368354
Will said that the minions insider is going to show the Brigand's card.

Brigand's card is a top of the iceberg in terms of pig community needs i am afraid :) , anyway they have been late with minion insider ....and now some of beast bellower was left in sorrow and solitude

>>47368343
Rattle can primers are better for gaming pieces. While airbrushes give great thin coats, they're not as sturdy as rattle can coats are. I always use rattle can for my primer than airbrush whatever over the top.

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>>47368362

So I know we're meant to clean PP models before we base/paint them because it helps it stick and all that. But what do you guys use?

Does normal dishwashing soap work? Are there any brands to avoid (Australian btw)? Do I just scrubs them with a toothbrush, or will that make them scratchy?

If I wash a model that's already been glued, assuming it's glued properly and I'm gentle, will the water weaken the bond/break the model?

I dunno, I just use some krylon spray primer and never have any issues with needing to wash plastics. Shit works on anything.

With metals, sometimes you can actually see grime on it and then I wash it, but if it looks clean I don't bother.

>>47368712
I've been using a toothbrush and water with a few drops of washing up liquid in.

>>47368712
99% of the time it makes no difference, but warm soapy water (hand soap or dish soap is fine) is all you need.

>>47368768
>>47368824
Beautiful, thanks guys!

>>47368729
I don't think I'd be able to get my hands on Krylon, but it's good to know with some primers it wont matter!

Sidenote, do you guys normally make your bases BEFORE you put the painted product on, or paint on the base then base over?

>>47368956
>>47368956
Base before undercoating.
The undercoat helps seal the basing material onto the base.

>>47369018
What if you're undercoating with something like... snow and you have black primer? Do you just pain the snow white or do you make exceptions?
I can see that working for sand and whatnot though.

Second question: Do you just use some kind of sealant/ varnish on your models? I've heard some people say a non-gloss sealant is crucial to finishing any model, but at the same time have heard of people who don't even know they exist. Thoughts?

>>47368956
Depends on the model and base.

If it's a generic guy on a sandy base then I will base before I prime and paint it afterwards. If it's an important piece and I'm building the base up with some work or detailed stuff then I will do both independently and pin the model to the base.

>>47369065
I always prime black because I hate having to deal with white in the recesses.

Snow bases go like this.

Cork rocks > PVA glue sand down > PVA glue over cork and sand to seal both > Prime black > Paint dark brown > Dry brush lighter brown > Paint rock grey > Drybrush rock > Add a thinned ink if needed to add more depth > Mix baking soda with PVA glue to make paste > apply paste to base > Let dry then give another coat of PVA to seal it down if not happy with it's strength

Varnishes come in 3 types.

Gloss varnish is for protection. It forms a thin coat of glossy plastic over the model to protect it.
Matte varnish is to take the shine off of something and to bring out the colours. It's an even thinner coat of plastic and offers no protection.
Satin varnish is between the two of them. It offs some protection and will take the edge off of shine.

If you want to do it the proper way you gloss then give it a day and matte. If you're not a retard and can take care of your shit, satin will be fine in almost every situation.

You seem new. Have a youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePaintingClinic

>>47367777
Picking up the khador starter. Owning 3 juggernauts doesn't look bad this edition and I can change the decimator to torch.

>>47369358
Decimator is also quite good.

>>47369175
So, the baking soda + PVA paste is your snow later? Does the baking soda not just kind of.... dissolve?

And yeah, I am pretty horribly knew to the hobby aspect of it all. I tried painting a very long time ago and was fucking terrible so I stopped. Looking to play the game properly now so I should paint my shit, thanks for the channel, man. Any ideas of channels that show you full-on painting videos? Like, overhead view including the brush strokes they make? (Not sure if that channel shows it or not, haven't checked, if it does, my bad)

>>47367777
Skorne all the way. I'll have to see a doctor about xekaar because my erection has lasted far longer than 4 hours

>>47369592
It hardens up into a nice snow effect.

Doctor faust has great tutorial videos from the very basics to top tier shit. It's what you're looking for.

>>47369592
After about a year or two baking soda will turn yellow and look like ass

Use snow flock

>>47369778
I have pearly white baking soda from 5 years ago, so nice urban myth you have there.

>>47370024
huh. Mind if I ask you how you did yours? All the bases on my snowy-mountainside night goblin army turned yellow a little while ago, and it was a bitch and a half to redo. I mixed roughly 2:1 PVA to vallejo white, mixed baking soda into that, thinned it, slopped it on, and then (this is where I realize now I mighta fucked up) sprinkled more baking soda on top to make it look fresh. Maybe it has to be sealed with the PVA or something? IDK, I feel like if you're not on a minuscule budget snow flock isn't ever gonna turn yellow and you might as well not risk it but as you said YMMV.

P.S. to fix my yellow snow I painted it over white, and then used the Secret Weapon crushed glass snow, looks pretty fucking boss. Since I have them multibased (for KoW), I'm not too worried about crushed glass flaking off during transport and play. Applying the stuff with goggles gloves and respirator was a little nerve-wracking though lol. The crushed glass effect really doesn't photograph well, but it makes excellent, shimmery wet-looking snow, like how snow looks after sitting in the sun for a bit.

>>47370207
I didn't mix paint in. Maybe paint causes it to yellow?

>>47368956
I like rustoleum or 99c can from home despot

>>47369727
Great, thanks for the reference then!

You know what would be cool? A Vector that uses Myrmidon inspired weapons!

Well that or a Character Monstrosity, however that would work. .

>>47369358

I'm going Skorne this ed. Going to start a semi-Journeyman league with my friends. 0 points first week, minimum 1 match up a week, and get a head start for your first game with +1 vp if you painted anything that week.

Think they can be pretty badass no matter what people say. Those debuffs will start to accumulate one way or another, and all of a sudden, his charging weapon masters don't seem so dangerous anymore.

>>47370684
A character monstrosity seems like it goes against the whole "faceless, personality-less, twisted humans" thing the Monstrosities have going.

>>47370695
I'm thinking of switching to circle. I like their warbeasts and kromac2's sculpt

>>47370744
If anything it would probably be more like Thunderhead or Angelus than any of the other Charjacks or Charbeasts (You can only field one of it, but you don't get bonuses for using it with a specific Warnoun).

>>47367777
Getting my champs ready, pretty excited for the bouncer and the new caster, definitely getting the new box.

Here's a question for you guys. I have a shitload of light trolls from trades and EE. Should I start trading/selling them or see if one of the new tiers wants them?

I've had a lot of paints dry-out after.... I dunno, a year maybe? But I know people who've had paints for 5+ years?
Is there a way to revive paint I don't know about?
Little bit of hot water and rigorous mixing? Anyone?

>>47370816
I can see that. Coc/Ceph characters jacks would be experimental prototypes

>>47371019
See if new tiers want them/if they'll still be usable.

Waiting around doesn't hurt, and once all the rules are released (that's like.... a month away?) you'll now for certain and can still catch people faction swapping.

>>47371087
Medium, but a dead paint is better thrown away

>>47371087
add water and mix, if it doesn't go smooth toss it.

>>47371094
I can see a Ceph prototype that mounts a ranged weapon which functions as their version of an Arc Node in one arm with the other arm as a Monstrosity Fist.

A CoC Charvector would prolly be a test frame to see how the algorithms extrapolated from Myrmidion shoulder guns and force fields operated.

>>47371204
>Cipher chassis with Phoenix Field under Syntherion
That would definitely make me go Convergence.

>>47371121
Medium as in...? Some kind of flow-improver?

>>47371127
Thanks, any temperature or is warm best?

>>47372027
Dear god, I'm a CoC player myself, and I don't know if I want to live in this world, it seems too gross!

Though I would like to see more CoC guns that did things that were more..... interesting.


Also I know they said fuck all changed on them in the insider, but I really want perforators to get 7" 7 POW on their guns. because prime numbers and because those miserable assholes need a buff.

But I suppose with the changes to AP and now that a million warjacks will be on the table, they might be playable?

>>47372151
Acrylic medium

>>47372027
Hm, I was thinking of a Conservator with a field based on elements of both the Manticore and Hydra fields myself. (Get Focus from being hit, then give that Focus to every Jack in range or your caster and then use the Conservator to punch face.) Guess which CoC caster would have the most fun with that.

There's also the option to fit one of the Light Vectors with a Repulsor Cannon.

>>47370258
It's just gonna yellow on its own

>>47372151
Doesn't matter much in my experience. I'll just use what I'm painting with. If it's good enough to thin my paints as I use them it/'s good enough before that.

>>47372192
They've said they're going unchanged, and not even getting a price drop, like Eradicators are.

Which has me curious. Like, even with the change the AP, they're still pretty bad, though they at least have a knockdown assassination on warcasters now.

But if the UA gives them something, or they can somehow get a damage buff(maybe the Conflux interacts with them somehow, for example), I can see them getting dropped into Mother lists.

Aurora seems like she'd like them, what with Stationary and all, but a Cipher still does just as much damage as they do at the same cost, and brings more meat and a utility gun.

>>47372275
Except mine hasn't in literally years of being on the bases. People keep repeating this fact and it's not holding up to the reality I am seeing.

So arcane vortex on Ruin.

Wonder if Vlad's still have wind wall?

Arcane Vortex on Ruin sounds bad. Doesn't that cost cortex to use? Or is this on top of spell ward, not replacing it?

I haven't played in years
does Cryx still get shit on by riflemen?
and is Cryx still the most fun?

>>47372364
I know they said it was unchanged, which is weird. I just really wish it was 7/7 because it just seems so much better, and fluffy.

They are still pretty bad but can probably definitely eat a light warjack now no hassle. I think they're more playable, but still could definitely use a buff. Might see them in mother lists because they CAN get up to POW 10, right?

Or, yeah, Aurora because flying is a good rule....

>>47372681
Arcane Vortex lets you spend a focus to completely negate a spell that targets itself or a model within 3" of it.

Ruin never had spell ward. It had Orgoth Seal which causes spells targeting it to suffer a RNG penalty and if it was directly hit by a spell, the caster took a few points of damage.

>>47372754
I believe it also has sacred ward now too.

All orgoth has sacred ward which allows friendly spells but can't be targeted by enemy.

>>47372681
It's better than whatever it had before. -rng is easy to get around with nodes.
And it also protects the caster which we didn't have before in Khador.

>>47372754
Arcane Vortex can only be paid with souls by Ruin, otherwise it would be broken as fuck to pump him full of focus and ignore all spells + his new immunity to enemy spells.

Where do all the spoilers you are discussing in this thread come from?

Also, I could pick up a group of precursors pretty cheap but don't know if I should. Any news on them?

I play mercs and already saw constance. She still looks pretty shit 2bh..

>>47373103
-2 to damage rolls for undead is pretty intense. Giving your entire army Unyielding against Cryx is a hell of a thing.

The sheer amount of work she can do with her character jack is also insane, or with Versh.

Her feat still has problems against Cryx, though we'll have to see how much. It's still a pretty good feat in general however.

>>47373103
Contance playability will depend on how good the morrowan models are.

Precursors weren't spoiled so far.

>>47373189
The problem I see is the morrowan only transference. I hate that.

>>47373244
>Contance playability will depend on how good the morrowan models are.
>Precursors weren't spoiled so far.

Yeah, that's why I asked. Well, it shouldn't be too long to the cygnar insider I guess.

>>47373027
Doom Reavers (with Orgoth Swords) can't be targeted by friendly spells sooo.... you're wrong but cool spoiler for Ruin

New warpwolf for grayle has shield guard and highest base arm of all wolves. Can drag with his chain weapon.

Can warp for:
2 arm
Weapon Master
or ghostly

>>47373311
In mk2, but in mk3 all doomies/orgoth shit has sacred ward like errants, just like the most recent Doom Reavers that ezerkova has as body guards.

>>47373290
Depending on how cheap they are/limited your budget is, why not just pick them up?

Sidenote: I feel like PP would buff them a decent amount since they were (probably?) one of the least played models.... ever(?) in MK2? And just for balance wise/sales wise they would. Since Constance also needs Morrows as well.... They're probably fine to play since they're likely to be the backbone of her army?

>>47373342
Where did you find this out? Seems too close to model leak to be true?

>>47373365
Ohhhh. I didn't realize you were talking MK3, my bad. Sorry for being a condescending dick.

>>47373342
>Can drag

>Weapon Master
>or ghostly
nice

So with what we know, does it seem like Bloodrunners will actually see play?

>>47373365
I wonder how they nerfed doomies so they don't murder everything under khador buffs.

>>47373494
No abomination.

>>47372708
All the fun has sucked out of Cryx in the new edition.

>>47373290
Yes, but it neither applies to only warriors models not melee attacks.

So her character jack can have 3 focus on him and you can still boost all his attack and damage rolls while buying three attacks.

>>47373494
Maybe reach 1 instead of 2

anything on how IFP changed?

If they really have changed all the Orgoth spell ward to sacred ward that is gonna be so, so good. Doom Reavers with Fury? :D

>>47373494
They very likely lost AD

>>47373374
>Depending on how cheap they are/limited your budget is, why not just pick them up?

More than half may miniatures are still unpainted. Seriously, if there is one thing I hate about this game, the it's that 95% of all people I come across play unpainted. It's like they treat their miniks lkike magic cards.

>>47373654
Painting is something you do if you enjoy. If you don't enjoy it, why do it?

>>47373639
Not sure if pbutcher still has fury, but butcher3's silence of death gives 2 str now

>>47373691
>>>47373654 (You)
>Painting is something you do if you enjoy. If you don't enjoy it, why do it?

Its alright but around here it seems noone paints. I think that's just sad and I dont wan to be like the rest.

>>47373746
Aint him, but hell, if im gonna paint something, im gonna paint it so it would look extra fabulous. Which takes ALOT of effort and time. So aint surprised someone aint paint their stuff.

>>47366996
So I haven't been paying attention to these threads much for the last few months. What's /tg/'s general stance on Mk3 and related?

The Facebook groups are a mix of excitement and salt, depending on which faction, and the forums are mostly the Dead Sea with exceptions.

>>47373746
Too busy following OP of the month means painting is to your disadvantage.

Can't flip it quick if it's painted. Painting lowers resale. Etc...

>>47373746
>>47373654
Stop forcing your way of enjoying the hobby on others. If they don't like painting, don't expect them to paint their shit. It isn't required.

>>47373810
>Painting lowers resale.
Only bad and mediocre painting. Good paintjob (say what gets 9+ on CMoN) will fetch price comparable to, or better than, unpainted

>>47373827
What's your fucking problem?
I don't have a problem with people not painting. It is just that around here noone, absolutely no single person in my playing group or or tourneys has any painted miniatures. That makes me said - personally said. I don't force shit on anyone.

>>47373848
Your fucking problem is you want people to paint.
If other people's models aren't painted it shouldn't even be an issue to you. You're one of the worst kinds of cancer in miniature games.
Let people enjoy games the way they want to enjoy them and fuck off.

>>47373872
Anything else while you are here?

>>47373494
...but you can't buff Doomies

>>47373907
Nah man, just as long as you understand you're an idiot and you shouldn't be 'sad'.

>>47373919
Did you miss the bit where they're saying Doom Reavers have sacred ward instead of spell ward?

>>47373808
Cautious excitement. A fair amount of changes seem good, a few seem 'eh/what?' and we're lacking a lot of "context" still.

>>47373929
Please explain.

>>47373977
Don't be sad that people don't do what you want them to do. That makes you an idiot.

>>47367777
Finishing up the highlights on my blightbringer and prime axiom. Then I start building a fuckton of khador starting with old battlebox

>>47372192
i'm theorycrafting hopscotching attunement servitors/assaulting perforators/running or charging reciprocators and obstructors under Aerogenesis. layers.

>>47373872
People enjoy playing against a fully painted army more. It shows a deeper dedication and makes the game more visually appealing.

Think of it like food. I can just jam it all on your plate and tell you the fuck off or I can use a little presentation and you can fuck off. One is more appealing because it looks special, it looks like someone cared. This has an effect on our subconscious and we enjoy it more as we consider it to be of a higher quality. The same is true in every hobby including this one.

>>47374010
Sounds like you collect exactly what i do!

>>47373983
Sorry, I'm quite out of words here atm. I just can't comprehend how you can be this dense. That is all I'm going to say.

>>47374071
Retard.
>>47374063
Enjoying playing against a painted army is one thing.
Complaining that others don't paint is another.

>>47373939
Yes

>>47374089
>Complaining that others don't paint is another.

Except I never did that other than in this thread. You are just projecting.

>>47374143
>other than in this thread.
Which means you did it.

>>47374089
>I enjoy things more if X action happens
>I shouldn't encourage people to take X action

This is your logic you retarded fuck. People SHOULD push others to bettering the situation for themselves. You can only do this in 2 ways in our society and resist jail, one is bribe them and one is to complain and make the social group hostile to people who don't do it. He is actively 100% the correct way for his self interest. You're just a retard who doesn't understand how motivation works or why encouraging your group to better themselves is a positive thing.

Do you know why companies don't show you bare pewter int heir display cases? Painted shit looks better, so they attract more people, which grows the hobby. A table off grey and silver looks boring and two armies look the same to passes by as with every single other game out there. If you give a shit about playing this game then making it presentable and more appealing is how you get more people to play it and care. Which is again in your self interest.

It's like you have grown up in a society that has absolutely no concept of how humans work and you're an entitled little shit who thinks encouraging others to work towards a universal betterment is some kind of hate crime against your feelings.

>>47374143
>other than in this thread.
Dude.

>>47374089
The fuck is wrong with you? He is sad thats his own business, and i dont recall him sayin anything but "its sad". Did he fucking say "I FUCKING SMASH THEM IN THE FACE EACH TIME I SEE THEIR UNPAINTED MINIS" or something you faggot? Na, he didnt? Then why the fuck do you call HIM an idiot instead of calling so yourself? Lemme guess - you are just a piece of offensive shit.
Go to sleep before your sister slap you for occupying her pc, teenage fuck.

>>47373342
Those can't be correct, but oh man if they are.

Why are Warmahorde players such faggots about painting?

>>47374219
>>>47374143 (You)
>>other than in this thread.
>Dude.

I'm not a native speaker, mate.

>>47374220
>He is sad thats his own business
If it's his own business why is he posting it in this thread?
>>47374197
But it isn't 'bettering' themselves. That's a projecting that idiots make - they think, "Hey, painting is an option for this hobby, thus, everyone should take that option - it's the correct option" when it isn't. It's just another way to enjoy the hobby.
Thus, those idiots that think it's the correct option berate those that don't want to paint.

It's the same way with the hyper competitive gamer - they think that winning is the best and that players should only try and win - that 'silly' or 'fun' lists are bad and aren't actually 'fun'. They're wrong because people can enjoy the hobby how they want to enjoy it. I'm not going to go up to the hyper competitive player and tell him, "Hey man, it's just a game, don't take it seriously."
He wants to take it seriously, so I should let him. Not complain about it.
It's the same way with painting. You paint, you enjoy it. Don't complain about others not painting.

Let people enjoy their hobbies the way they want to and don't complain about it.

>>47374281
>Let people enjoy their hobbies the way they want to and don't complain about it.

What if part of enjoying the hobby for someone playing with and against painted armies?

Why is the enjoyment of the non-painter more important than the enjoyment of the painter?

>>47374281
>>>47374220
>>He is sad thats his own business
>If it's his own business why is he posting it in this thread?

Well, before you jumped in I was asking about precursors, I think. Guess the painting thing just came up. :^)

Let's just stop here, it's getting silly.

>>47367805
Man-o-Warcaster when

I want to run the biggest guys and no jacks.

>>47374306
>Why is the enjoyment of the non-painter more important than the enjoyment of the painter?
Because the non-painter isn't forcing his opinion on the painter. The painter expects people to paint while the non-painter just wants to play a game.

>>47374281
>Working towards a goal and improving your skills that can later be sold for profit is not improving yourself.

Let me guess, you have facial piercings, a couple of tattoos and a Bernie sanders shirt.

>>47374281
>If it's his own business why is he posting it in this thread?
Cause he fucking can, he wasnt offensive to anyone about it. You were, shitfuck.
>>47374312
Well you do realise you should paint them in your own colour scheme, doncha? And Constancia aswell.
>>47374306
Not that shit again. You choose to play with unpainted army or not, you and nobody else. You aint wanna - dont. End of story.

>>47374314
I think the new caster is supposed to be a MoW caster. Also with the way mk3 is shaping up taking no jacks isn't gonna be an option, sorry bud.

>>47374355
>Cause he fucking can, he wasnt offensive to anyone about it. You were, shitfuck.
See >>47373848
>what's your fucking problem
Pretty aggressive mate.

>>47374368
It still is, but you're shooting yourself in the foot if you don't.

>>47374368
isn't he an ironfang caster?

>>47374344
>Because the non-painter isn't forcing his opinion on the painter. The painter expects people to paint while the non-painter just wants to play a game.

But he is doing that passively. By not painting his models, he forces others to play against unpainted armies. He only takes into account his own desires, never considering the enjoyment of others.

>>47374368
>I think the new caster is supposed to be a MoW caster.

No, he's an Iron Fang.

>>47374407
Nice Catch-22 mate.

>>47374405
>>47374422

I don't into khador, I just kill them when they're across the table.

>>47374407
The fuck? Is this guy chaining you to the table? If it's that unpleasant for you to play against unpainted armies then don't sperglord. You're probably too much of a passive beta to say anything about it in real life though so you come here to bitch and troll.

>>47374466
Of course I don't say anything about it in real life because unlike the nonpainter I actually take into account the desires and enjoyment of others.

>>47374380
Being sad is agressive nowadays huh? I missed something?

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>>47374355
>>>47374312 (You)
>Well you do realise you should paint them in your own colour scheme, doncha? And Constancia aswell.

My mercs are all Lael-themes. Colours are white and purple. Black, white and purple for the amethyst rose gun mages.

I think the precursors would look great in white, possoble with a head-swap. Maybe I should just get them and add-them to my to do pile..

Sorry for the shitty pic. JUst made it.

>>47374493
No you idiot, saying "What's your fucking problem" is aggressive. It actively incites aggression, which is why I became aggressive.

>>47374407
>he forces others to play against unpainted armies
The fuck? Are you fucking nuts?

>>47374493
He's clearly from Tumblr and is upset that people don't agree with his life style choices and that they judge him on it.

>>47374502
Now re-read the line from the start. You are an imbecile because he aint forcing anything at anyone. Being sad fucking forces something at someone, huh, fuckface?

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>>47374509
No mate, I paint. I paint a lot. But people shouldn't complain about others not painting.
They may not have the time, they may not have the skill (and don't have the willpower to actively get better through practice) and they may not have the money to get commissions done (or even buy miniature paints, as mini paints can be an expensive investment).
People should just let people enjoy hobbies the way they want to enjoy them.

>>47374509
That would explain alot.

>>47374553
>People should just let people enjoy hobbies the way they want to enjoy them.

Nobody's saying they can't not paint their models, just like nobody's saying they can't put ketchup on their steak or wear pants on their heads.

>>47374553
>People should just accept anything they don't like
>"He's such a bigot"
>He doesn't like that people consider getting HIV to be a hobby
>How homophobic
>I only play Skorne because they let me express my BDSM fetish
>I wear nipple clamps to Games workshop
>I wish I was at home reading doctor who fanfics

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I bought some Croe's on sale on some of you guys' advice and the owner said they also have old metal Nomad and Mule jacks I could have for 50% off too. I know I can't play them with my preference the dwarf casters, but do the mk3 versions look like they're worth picking up if I end up making a non-dwarf caster army?

>>47374688
Absolutely pick up the Nomad.
Mule is only okay.

Miniatures game companies should just make and more top table events painted mandatory. It boosts the appeal of the game, sells more paints + accessories which is better for stores, etc.

>>47374688
Nomads looking fine. Mule would depend on their MK3 points and the caster/jack marshal you are going to run them with, I guess.

>>47374688
Nomads seem great. SPD5, ARM19, P+S18 Reach for only 11pts is crazy value. The only Merc jack I'd consider over it for the beatstick job is the Mangler, but that depends on what the point difference is.

>>47374763
I believe PP tournaments still have a 3 color+base requirement but that may just be Hardcore format.

>>47375210
Hardcore isn't going to be a thing anymore, so I don't think they have painting requirements at all unless they roll it into Masters or something.

Though I think it's highly encouraged, since PP likes to stream games and they won't let you have your unpainted crap on a stream.

>>47374763
I like having to paint armies, it let's me know which players are cancer to be avoided and which guys actually care about their stuff and by extension have fun with the game.

>>47374726
>>47374776
>>47375196

Thank you, Nomad for sure then. Going by mk2 rules or spoiled mk3 which caster would make the Mule worth playing?

>>47375196
How many nomads can be fit in the new standard size game?

>>47375423
9 and change.

>>47375478
>tfw that doesn't even feel like a lot

Can someone post the Circle warlock's cards please?

>>47375294
It feels good to be good at painting and not terrible at this game.

>>47375706

http://www.3plusplus.net/2016/05/warmachine-hordes-battlebox-spoilers/

>>47375513
It kinda isn't, since they're throttled in terms of volume of attacks. 9 Nomads could easily get bogged down on chaff.

Now if we want to talk like 2 Renegades, 3 Nomads, and 4 Manglers, under say Mangus1 who can give out Iron Aggression to boost all those Thresher attacks, we might be getting somewhere.

i usually get my armies painted via commission. i love a good painted model and army but am too fucking shit to do it myself.

i got Rasheth just done, hes going to be bonkers in mk3. 16" no channeling no animus every turn(that you cast castigate) according to rumours

>>47375294
Yeah you are that cancer. Eat shit.

>>47374688

The nomad is one of the most optimized jacks in the game now. The mangler is going to be good to great depending on its point cost. 13 points will make it a solid upgrade to the nomad but keep both viable

>>47375827


That's a lot of free tramples with 9 nomads.

Is Warmachine tactics worth a damn? I just got it and the mercs pack for $2 on Kinguin.

>>47377184
they took an existing wargame system and said "FUCK IT" and made their own, with even less content.
so fuck them

was kinda neat to see jacks punching other jacks with some semblance of animation, though.

>>47376866
The free charges and Thresher on a reach chain weapon will do a lot to keep the Mangler viable, I'm sure.

I'm feeling drawn towards the Protectorate right now. How was Vindictus in mk2? I really like model.

Also have Malekus' cards have been shown yet?

>>47377305

all battlebox cards are here >>47375804

>>47377305
Vinny in mk2 was alright, he did something unique for the faction, it was just that the faction had no use for what he did.

If he keeps his stuff, I'd expect a lot of support for both his infantry and his warjacks.

>>47375332
If you can still pull off the ashlynn with gunmage+mule combo the "take aim!" marshal seems tailor made for them since you want to aim for the extra range anyway.

>>47373872
>>47373848
no guise, we talked about this: painting is an integral part of the game.

I do not see the point of collecting unpainted little soldiers, why not just play chess? why bother with miniatures at all if you don't like them?

I understand that painting can be a chore/difficult, but it comes with the job.
You "git gud" with practice.
Don't be THAT GUY, start painting instead.

I'll forgive noobies and people with physical disabilities for not painting their models.

Laziness however, isn't a disability. If you don't treat your models right and give them the paint they deserve I won't play against you.

>>47373518
Good. Cryx sucked the fun out of everything this edition.

>>47370207
Mine has been going good for quite a while.

I didn't use regular PVA to mix it, I mixed baking soda with mod podge because it's got stuff in it to make it a way better sealant. Still looking great.

>>47377695

Okay I'm trying to figure this out, so you take Ashlynn, gunmages + UA as Llaelese theme mercs, and then jack marshal the mule right? Is there a reason it's specifically Ashlynn?

Her feat (if unchanged) is amazing or crit-fishing due to extra dice. Combined with crit devestation for fun and profit.

>>47378332

I still don't get why 1Denny is the mostly same. And I still can't wrap my head around Bane Thralls (Or Bane Soldiers or however their called now). Like how are they balanced? Especially with most Debuff removal being well....removed. And if they are balanced then they are still such a massive bitch to play against. Even Vanilla versions.


And this is a genuine question. Can somebody explain it to me?

What if only half of my army is painted? Do I just make people who enjoy playing against painted armies sad while making people playing unpainted armies feel judged?

>>47378456

I see now, that is really good. Thanks!

>>47378510
I don't know about Denny, but Bane Warriors are balanced by being 12/15, no Stealth, SPD 5, MAT 6 models. Just shoot them, you'll be fine.

>>47378366

Her feat is +2 unkept die, you can crit-fish all day with a unit and jack that live for crits. A good crit devestation can shuffle around a unit, if not kill it from the slams. Thunderbolt will knock stuff down off the dev, or you can go brutal damage. It's a cool combo, even if it only goes off once, if at all.

>>47377305

Vindictus could move a bunch of infantry up the board quickly and that was about it. If youbad enough Daughters, Errants, Zealots, Knights, and TFG to overwhelm your opponent, good. If not...

Just don't expect him to really contribute anything else.

Denny losing the ability to debuff Focus and Fury on the feat is huge. It means she is forced to shut down arc nodes on the field or risk getting spell killed with her personal stats. Also crippling grasp not preventing charges is big, Mk I and II a -2 SPD debuff was effectively a -5 SPD buff as you couldn't get the extra charge distance. Now she has to be careful as she can't always rely on an alpha strike for her warrior models just by tagging enemy models with Crippling Grasp.

>>47378510
Crippling Grasp and her feat were both nerfed by removing the "no runs, no special attacks" bit and the fact that SPD penalties no longer prevent charges.

Also, Bane Warriors got a pretty significant nerf with the removal of Stealth (you can now just shoot the fuckers) and the Tough changes (can't Tough while knocked down).

>>47378684
>Crippling Grasp and her feat were both nerfed by removing the "no runs, no special attacks" bit

Sorry, messed up. That was only for Crippling Grasp. Still fairly significant.

>>47378102
Except that's no difference, rules wise, between a painted and unpainted model.

In that sense, it's an entirely optional part of the game, and in no way integral.

>>47378294
And if I tell you I hate painting and I'm not going to waste my time doing it?

Nothing to do with being lazy, I just have things I actually enjoy to devote my time too.

>>47378712
Yea, it's a huge deal. Denny no longer gets to remove an entire unit from the game with Grasp, only her feat has a huge denial portion to it.

The changes to camping also mean she can't just afford to wander up and feat on full camp, knowing that nothing in the opponents army can kill her.

>>47379010

Hey. That guy likes painting. He can paint your models that you don't like to paint. Everyone wins!

>>47379050
And that's perfectly fine with me. I've got nothing against painting as a concept, and I can enjoy a well painted model, and respect the talent and effort it took.

>>47374281
WHy play a miniature game if you don't like painting miniatures? This is what I'll never understand about people who argue like you. Why not play board games or something else than spending hundreds of dollars on pewter.

>>47379149
For the actual game rules?

>>47379010
>And if I tell you I hate painting and I'm not going to waste my time doing it?

I won't play against you.

>>47379010

We're starting a hobby night at my flgs, and we have a solution to this. If you hate painting that much, we'll paint your shit for you so we don't play the amazing chome legion every game. It's not hard If you assembly line It. It might not be showcase quality, but It'll be there.

We'll seal 'em too, cause you chunk 'em in a shoebox like magic cards.

>>47376882
This is what I'm thinking for Mk3 Amon.

He gets FM: Parry. 9 Crusaders, Synergy, Trampling forward, ignoring free strikes. Less melee range than the eMagnus Nomad wall, but more damage output.

>>47378572
Removed Stealth: In the faction that grants the most stealth. And +1 point cost (Or like half a point cost better) and added pathfinder+ to speed them up.

And even outside of that I just find them the most direct power skewed thing in the whole game. There are things with more abilities, but I just find them to be the most "Power in just one area" sort of deal. Just a whole bunch of pow 16+ guys. Can't wait for the attachments. Its such a debuff that Tough doesn't work on knockdown that one of their stupid other attachments prevents knockdown.

Is there anything else that powerful for its cost/ scale with no other drawbacks?

>Crippling Grasp and her feat were both nerfed by removing the "no runs, no special attacks" bit and the fact that SPD penalties no longer prevent charges.

Its still such bullshit for the faction with Arcnodes. Its just OP from OP+. Again I may be wrong, but Im just not seeing it. She still feels as frustrating to play against as ever, just without the outright ridiculous parts.

>>47379171
I play it for the game. If they came assembled and painted, I would actually be glad.

>>47379264
Uh, Thralls/Warriors have plenty of drawbacks.

Especially now that they can't be sped up.

It was Knights that were the issue, because they delivered themselves.

Bane Thralls as it stands are far easier to deal with, especially in the context of the rest of the changes to Cryx. No more easy jamming units, for example, to give them a free turn to get there.

>>47379264
>
Its still such bullshit for the faction with Arcnodes. Its just OP from OP+. Again I may be wrong, but Im just not seeing it. She still feels as frustrating to play against as ever, just without the outright ridiculous parts.

Denny can no longer protect her army as well, various nerfs prevent her merc gunline from working nearly as well as it used too, and is far, far more fragile then she used to be.

Do we have any details on Stormguard, the Reliant, Laddermore, or Long Gunners?

>>47376683
whats crawled up your ass

Didn't they make bane warrior UA not give tough anymore?

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Speaking of painting, I finally decided upon a color scheme that I liked a couple months ago. Now just to paint all my minis...

Pick a card, I'm about to go to bed. Got Minions, Legion and Circle.

>>47379506
Gator Posse

>>47379331
I've always found kreoss just as frustrating. 14" lamentation, able to knock everything down regardless of LoS and purification all buffs off in a faction with good shooting.

I have PTSD from the old 2 player starter games with my sorscha. Then our 3rd player started with Denny.

Warpwolf Stalker

>>47379506

beast mistress please

>>47379506

Maelok, so everyone can see his Field Marshal.

>>47379506
Rhyas. Cause no one really cares.

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>>47379527

>>47379543

She's the same as in MK2.

>>47379587

exactly the same? cool, thanks

>>47379577
Anything change on the back of the card?

>>47379638
Phone won't do captcha right, yeah, dirge lost +1 def buff, gain concealment. Offerings to kossk is the reroll same shit, predator's prayer instead of march, models gain bloodthirst +2" move

>>47379566
Rapport lost free transfer, gain extended control area for that WB. plus 1 P+S on her sword

>>47379677
>>47379677
No Unyielding? Dammm

>>47379677
Nice, thanks.

>>47379711
still there, only mentioned the changes

>>47379577
they don't seem very good

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Will these casters be available in metal after the battle box release?

>>47379775
I mean, they no longer feel like far and away the best medium base infantry in the game,but they still feel pretty solid.

>>47379790

Eventually.

>>47378532
you are truly worse than hitler

clearly your actions reflect your feelings toward the people around you, and they should react accordingly

>>47379790
>>47379817

they've already got everything set up to do plastic versions, I don't really know why they would switch to metal

>>47379897
They like doing metal.

Originally they planned on staying metal for all their shit, but economics and all.

Plus, I think they can do metal in house.

>>47379897
To sell the warcasters individually on the webstore like they did with the mk2 boxes.

>>47379803
I dunno man, 3 of them for 11 points is the same price as a Nomad. A Nomad will put in a lot more work than three posse.

>>47379527
>he didn't say Rask

>>47379960
Depends on what you're fighting.

The Gators threat farther against living, have more attacks, get boosted against living, protect themselves on the way in, and do all of this with zero support.

>>47379998
I play Skorne and wanted to see what my most commonly used medium based unit was up to. Fuck Rask.

>>47379960
yeah sure if you send them after things the nomad is suited for. the posse looks a LOT better at taking on full units of higher def infantry, what with a higher MAT plus rerolls and more attacks and they can do so unsupported.

>>47380017
>I play Skorne
Oh man, sorry you can name whatever you want.
I'm sorry for your loss

>>47379960
What army can field both gators and a nomad? I guess if you use Raluk you can but then it's not getting focus.

>>47380032
They got bumped down to mat 6.

>>47380052
I'm glad you understand.

>>47380052
More recent spoilers have been far better towards Skorne players.

I'd argue they got the best BB warlock as well, really.

>>47379577
Oh, tough with a MAT hit. What's the crocdoc gonna do then?

>>47380081
I'm still leery about him. Mat 6 melee witchmark is basically pointless, and he's got bad defensive stats. He's definitely going to have to stay back. Fantastic feat though, and god damn mortality is going to be good with marketh.

>>47380062
>They got bumped down to mat 6.

whoops, missed that bit. still the usage of the two remains completely different and makes a cost comparison less than useful

>>47380081
>I'd argue they got the best BB warlock as well, really.
Really? I guess I didn't pay much attention to him when I saw Malakus looking like a ton of fun, the Troll guy giving out cover every turn, and the Circle chick with Scything Touch.

>>47380091
Give 'em Undead, SacStrike POW 20's at the caster he can see.

Is circle the least spoiled faction at this point?

I just hope my Skinwalkers and alpha come through still decent.

>>47379790
>Not doing Malekus as Bane

>>47380107
Like, he's confusing as fuck, because at a glance he seems like a frontline warlock. And he absolutely isn't.

But yea, he's got an incredible feat, an excellent spell list, and neither of them are dependent on his army comp, so he can be played a lot of ways.

It's honestly kind of interesting, because all the other BB warlocks seem fairly straightforward, but he looks like he's going to take a shitload of finesse.

>>47379790

so The Burning Truth turns out to be... END OF RINE?

>>47380122

Unless sac strike changed, it's at base arm, no unyielding bonus. I'd hoped they picked up snacking, but at mat 6 5 hp I'ma little bummed.

Waiting on the snapper since spiny changed

>>47379790
I just wish for once that Skorne would get a model that fits inside a case easily. Like holy shit stop making small models awkward shapes and sizes Jesus fuck dick piss shit cunts.

>>47379577

As a Minions player, I am goddamn thankful as fucking hell that my Posse came out relatively unscathed. Thanks spoiler-bro.

>>47380294
Calaban gets signs and portents for his spells. They made heart stopper able to change facing before you channel. Targ still has ancillary

>>47380382

You're a goddamn champion.

>>47380382
>Targ can make the turtle shoot again
Sweet.

>Grissels now has a 9" Bestial

Jesus, I'm hard.

I just wish someone would say if Arcuarii got any changes besides the hit to DEF and hit boxes. I don't even need to know what it is, just if it's positive or negative. Whether you answer or not, thanks for the spoilers.

How did Croak Raiders make out?

>>47380622

I hear their ranged attack is down to POW10 and their DEF or ARM dropped.

>>47380581
There's been rumors going around that they got Prey, but who knows.

>>47380647
If they go down to 14 points or so I'd still take them with eHexeris. Boosting ashes to ashes and incindiarii are still good even if they're not one-rounding heavies anymore.

>>47380581
Arcuarii:

>Lost
1 Def
Fearless
3 Boxes

PC switched to 11/17

>>47380581
I want every fucking Cetaphract's card right now. You don't just remove boxes from the infantry of the faction with the worst infantry without a good reason.

>>47380726
So 1 point less than gators, but shittier in almost every way than them unless drag now lets you drag large bases. 6 models to a unit doesn't compensate for being garbage.

>>47380775
Pretty sure that's a bullshit list.

Hey spoilerbro, I've got Cryx and Cygnar leaks if you want to trade.

Why does noone have khador spoilers? I can't wait to see karchev card

>>47380775
>Harpoon
Drag - when this weapon damages an enemy model with an equal or smaller base, immediately after the attack is resolved the damaged model can be pushed directly towards this model until it contacts a model, an obstacle or an obstruction. After the damaged model is moved, this model can make one basic melee attack against the damaged model. After resolving this melee attack, this model can make additional melee attacks during its combat action.

>>47380859
i just want to see the cryx and skorne deck before release. i want time to grive my skorne before i BBQ pit them.

>>47379587

They left Flank on her even though Shredders get that themselves now?

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>>47380156
Already taken.

>>47380872
So, identical then.

Still going to wait to see the card before I sell my arcuarii, though.

>>47380859
He gained Unyielding and Fissure has knockdown (don't remember if it had that before)

Spell list is

Battlecharged (see Elara)
Eruption
Ground Zero
Jump Start
Road to War (renamed Warpath)

Feat is BG (including Karchev) gain boosted melee attack and damage rolls, and magical weapon

>>47380880

She flanks off them, they flank off each other.

I hear the spawning vessel can actually put lessers into her battlegroup this time too.

>>47380940
What's his focus? What does his turbine do?

>>47380958
Focus 6
Turbine can spend 1 Focus to gain Pathfinder or +2" when advancing as part of normal movement

Any ret spoilers popped up yet apart from the Battlebox and Insider? I want to see what Vyros 1 looks like in the new edition. Maaaybe he'll get assembled this edition

Go to bed Logan Fernandes.

So after seeing the ghetorix resculpt I think I'm gonna take my old gheto apart (still unpainted, yes I'm the scum of the earth) and make another slayer. What's the best way to remove the glue from a model without damaging it?

>>47380940
Thank you for that, he looks interesting. Shame he lost tow but interested to see how he goes with jacks and MOW

Any word on Gaspy 3? He's my favorite.

>>47380986
Hallowed Avenger now gives Righteous Vengeance
Feat now gives bg Flank (friendly faction warrior)

Thanks a bunch, did Inviolable Resolve change at all since in MK III fearless is pointless?

>>47380976
That's a good change.

So he's putting 4 focus a turn into battle charged and warpath, and probably allocating 1 somewhere and camping 1. Could be better, and losing unearthly rage hurts a lot, but power-up cold make it viable. At least he gets one decent round with the feat.

>>47381033
I think losing Sidearms is more important.

>>47381009

God dammit Logan Fernandes.

>>47380107

basically ignore witchmark and ignore his whips. Pretend he has no melee weapons.

Play him as a spell slinging control debuffer - hes incredible. you can sorta kinda proxy the mk3 boxes without knowing the full rules and only going off what we know and hes preformed great when ive done that

>>47381086
Yes, can't be moved by push or slam is now the second part.

>>47381091
You can't stack both. They're upkeeps.

>>47377184
It's not a bad game. Not what most wanted from a Warmahordes game so expect lots of butthurt replies whenever you mention it. I got a few online friends who play it and that's honestly the best way to enjoy it is multiplayer. Since I can't play the actual tabletop with those friends. Every update does improve the game, I just wish they were more frequent. It seems to take them 6-8 months to put out anything of worth.

>>47379577
>>47380294
>Gatormen drop to 5 hp
>Cocbots get to stay 8 hp

>>47381151
Did that change then? Road to War in mk2 is a 3 cost non-upkeep that gives models in your control area +2 inches move. What is it now?

>>47381151
That was the karchev conundrum with tow and sidearms

>>47381169
Road to War is the new name for Warpath

>>47381169
Road to War is what Warpath from mk2 is going to be called in Mk3.

>>47381158
I'm sorry actual robots made of metal are harder to put down than walking alligators.

>>47381187
>Warpath
Other way round

>>47381192
>I don't understand how fragile clockwork is.

>>47381209

This is magic clockwork.

>>47381209
Clearly Convergence build them to last, given that they're 8 boxes.

>>47381187
That's rough then. It's worse than the tow/sidearms question, since you always want both of them up but you don't necessarily need both sidearms and tow up at the same time. And in mk2, you can use tow, make the move, then cast sidearms. With this you either have to have your jacks all take their activations first and then have karchev go, replacing warpath with counter charge for the opponent's turn, but denying yourself your feat. Or you have to just decide you're doing without one of them if you want to feat.

>>47380859
I saw most of the cards this morning, I'll try to do a write up of what I remember soon!

Teaser town, Butchers got Tough, B1 is exactly the same, B2 starts with 7 focus turn one then every other turn gets D6 + 1, 7 if he kills three guys. Spell list is the same. B3 is the same except living warrior models cannot charge him on feat turn.

Karchev is as spoiled. Ruin is insane, Berzerkers are 8 points (4 points MKII) but no longer run without blowing up.

>>47381258
Wait, Berserkers don't blow up at all, or automatically blow up if they run?

The second one seems way better.

>>47381258
By "no longer run without blowing up" does that mean they lost aggressive? Do they still charge for free?

>>47381258

did you see any of the skorne cards? i'm dying for more info but unfortunately leakbro can't post any skorne cards

>>47381315
What are you most interested in?

>>47381334
Run down of the Warlocks.

After that, the medium base stuff.

>>47381227
If you actually think that's a valid argument you're an imbecile. Nothing in the Iron Kingdoms fluff has ever shown that magic negates the normal properties of any material entirely. Steam engines still go out in water, voltaic coils still burn out, etc. Sure adding mechanika can improve the resilience but it can't completely ignore its normal properties. On top of that in the fluff when Convergence is fighting it's made very clear that Convergence clockwork is very delicate beneath the armor plating. So should CoC mediums have high ARM? Yes, that makes sense. Should they have more HP than anyone else? No, they are just as delicate and frail on the inside as a human just made of intricate gears and machinery instead of organs and veins.

Didn't see Skorne cards, only most Khador and one Twins (they didn't change at all).

Berzerkers rule is now whenever they spend focus roll a D6. If it is equal to or less than the focus they spent they blow up.

>>47381334

quick rundown of the warlocks who havent been spoiled would be awesome. X2 and Zaal1 in particular

other than that what happened to the paingiver taskmaster? still gives tough no knockdown?

>>47381376
That's the same as their old rule, then. Do they still have free runs and charges though?

>>47381376

Did Harkevich or Kovnik Joe change?

>>47381347
Cetrati are PC 13/20 but otherwise similar to Mk2 (minus 1 def/fearless and being 5 boxes)
Incindiarri are 12/18 (plus the previously mentioned cetrati bracket)
Vorkesh is PC6 and now grants Sacred Ward and Tactics: Steady

>>47381364
You're really going to talk about realism in IK?

It's based on a fucking D&D setting, man. It's about as realistic as your chances of ever losing that 100 pounds.

>>47381347
Demo Corp lost weapon master and backswing but are something like pow 14-16. Bombardiers I don't think are different than they are currently. Shock troopers also lost weapon master.

Quick and dirty Sorscha1 is the same, Sorscha2s gun is D3+1 ROF. Iron Flesh is now +2 arm and immune to blast.

Butchers are as I described above.

Zerkova2 I think is mostly the same. Zerkova1 has a feat similar to Gunny's new feat but you can't be shot, can't be charged, no power attacks, pretty much no anything.

Old Witch basically the same. I think her feat got some kind of weird addition for knocking down warrior models if they're damaged.

Irusk1 got his feat simplified, all of it is "models" now.

I didn't look at the vlads.

>>47381258
Oh lowdy I am so excited, im gonna need a new F5 key

Other than Vayl2 getting Chasten and a replacement for Oblit, anything else spoiled for either of the Vayls?

>>47381395
They do not.

>>47381391
Don't know who's spoiled.

X2 has native sprint now and a new cost 3 aoe 3 nuke called petrify that causes warrior models hit to become stationary in place of stranglehold

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>>47381428

>>47381449
Wait, so Irusk1 grants Tough to warjacks?

>>47381460
So then there goes any chance of them being used.

I just painted mine the other day, but if they lose aggressive I'm definitely selling both. Being dirt cheap doesn't compensate for that. They were the only jack that could've been vaguely useful with a marshal because of free charges.

Hmmm sounds like Zerkers will be favorites of Jack Marshals.

>>47381407
Harkevich I didn't know well enough but I think his feat is very similar to what it is in MKII. Joe looked like he had his three speeches so I moved on from him.

On that not Grape Shot for WG UA is now a mini feat and no longer attached to the flag

>>47381449
Demo corps were already pow 14, and shock troopers didn't have weaponmaster.

I call bullshit. No way they would cut the output of demo corps in half. That puts them at the same damage as shock troops which are meant to be the defensive ones.

>>47381428
>It's fantasy mang
>your fat lol
Aw, namecalling and "hurr it's fantasy man". That's cute. Learn to debate like a fucking adult or go be a child where you belong on Reddit.

>>47381481
Iwarrior models. I'm typing on my phone trying to keep things brief gummie a break! lol

>>47381468

thanks! any info on zaal1? hes the other one i care about

very much appreciated though man

>>47381515
Alright, fine.

Realism mode: Activated

OH FUCKING SHIT, EVERY SINGLE WARJACK JUST FELL THE FUCK OVER

OH SHIT, ALL THE WARCASTERS JUST BURNED TO DEATH.

Turns out team power doesn't fucking work that way.

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>>47381515

not him but stop being such a faggot

>>47381511
It's possible I missed it on the card (I got to look at almost everything once) or I am misremembering but I'm pretty sure they lost back swing.

>>47381532

realism mode - Rasheth has to roll a d6 every turn, on a roll of 5+ he dies from heart attack

Any sign of the spell Rampager? I can't understand why they are so determined to put cost 3 nukes on Fury 5 locks. If you don't want to give them a spell then dont.

>>47381532
Vlad doesn't use a steam engine for his armor, he has actual magic stuff instead of mechanika

Vlad is the winner

>>47381542
In mk2, they had two special attacks: Backswing, or Ice Breaker (gain an additional attack die). If they have neither of those, there is literally no reason to use them because shock troopers have pow 14, reach, and a gun.

>>47381407
Harkevich

Field marshal is now Reposition 3"
Gained Iron Sentinel

Spell list is

Broadside
Jumpstart
Mobility
Bombshell (cost 3, rng 10, aoe 3, pow 13, crit throws models, collateral is Pow 10, indirect hits take a Pow 10)

Feat is the same

Amon is the winner. He should be painted up as Terry Crews.

>>47381566
You da real MVP. Interesting to see if Joe's speeches stay the same.

https://imgur.com/AHNnDyE

>>47381523
Invioable resolve is replaced by Death Pact (friendly faction +2 arm and undead upkeep) but otherwise he is the same.

>>47381546

i heard that rampager is kill and doesn't exist anymore

>>47381602
shit sorry, posse front of card

>>47381554
Vlad's not the only one without traditional Warcaster Armor but he was the 1st.

>>47381602
Wish there was a back page.

For real though, a berserker could be 6 points and I still wouldn't take it if it lost Aggressive.

Grolar is Mat 7 ROF D3 + 2. Other than that the same as MKII (but it has heavy boiler. Did it have that in MKII?)

Clam jacks are base arm 19 then they go up when clammed up. They are still Mat 6.

Destroyers are AoE 4.

Ruin has 5" Arcane Vortex

Beast 09 is Mat 8 and gains Shield Guard with Sorscha. (Which reminds me her bond is gone but when you end within 2" of Sorscha2 you freeze). Did Beast 09 have hyper aggressive before? He has that now.

Sub cortex on Behemoth gives . . . Boosted range damage I think? Or +2? AoE 4.

>>47381532
And let's talk abvout Convergence's clockwork for a second.

Let's take an Elimination Servitor. Cheap, disposable little bot that not only flies under it's own power, that not only has a not-AI set of programming robust enough to be used in combat, but also has a spring powered spike ejector powerful enough to punch through even the thickest of armor.

Can you imagine the strength of that spring? That sheer tension it must deal with? And look at the size of that Servitor, and at it's gun, the spring can't be bigger than your hand, maybe your lower arm.

The concept of a spring that size holding enough power to do what an Elimination Servitor does is obscene.

Same with a lot of other weapons that Convergence uses. There is no gunpowder in any of the weapons they employ, they're all strictly powered by stored kinetic energy. The sheer strength of those mechanics, never mind the level of durability they have to be used as weapons in frontline combat, means that the shit they're using is beyond our understanding. We simply do not know of metals or alloys capable of what they're using.

And if they're using the same shit to power their robot bodies, it's kind of amazing they have only eight boxes, instead of each of them being mini warjacks.

>>47381630
What does heavy boiler do in mk3?

In mk2 it just gave you free runs. But powerup means that's meaningless.

And yeah he had hyper aggressive.

>>47381645
Except if you blow up with focus like the server. Maybe it gives free charge now?

>>47381645
I didn't pay that close attention unfortunately, just saw that the rule was on the back of his card!

>>47381209
Was there a balance reason why COC kept 8 damage boxes despite being a faction with recursion as well as repair?

I mean the Monstrocities have more health then any other Warjack (Short of the Behemoth) if thats the game they want to play.

>>47381364
>Nothing in the Iron Kingdoms fluff has ever shown that magic negates the normal properties of any material entirely

Really fag?

>>Steam engines still go out in water, voltaic coils still burn out, etc

IK steam engines are WAAAAY more compact, effecient, and capable than a real world steam engine of similar size. And are you so retdarded to think that Voltaic coils in reality work the same way they work in IK?

>>Sure adding mechanika can improve the resilience but it can't completely ignore its normal properties.

And the magicak increases the clockwork to be stronger than flesh. Problem solved.

>>On top of that in the fluff when Convergence is fighting it's made very clear that Convergence clockwork is very delicate beneath the armor plating. So should CoC mediums have high ARM? Yes, that makes sense. Should they have more HP than anyone else? No, they are just as delicate and frail on the inside as a human just made of intricate gears and machinery instead of organs and veins.

And they are. Just like Man-o-Wars are just flesh beneath all that armor. And they have 8 boxes too.

And Warcasters get lots of boxes too, despite many being much smaller/more frail than many infantry models.

Clearly the boxes also take into account armor and general "toughness" that the ARM score doesn't. Other rules that increase a model's "toughness" without actually increasing total boxes include Toughness, Impervious Flesh, and Force Barrier.

>> So should CoC mediums have high ARM? Yes, that makes sense. Should they have more HP than anyone else? No, they are just as delicate and frail on the inside as a human just made of intricate gears and machinery instead of organs and veins.


See above.

>>47381672
Only the kodiak chassis had heavy boiler though, not the berserker chassis. While berserkers would love free runs, free runs for anything else is a non-rule because they're already free.

>>47381688
That was the intent of Convergence, to play the powerful attrition game. They were meant to be tough as nails, because they don't have a whole lot else going for them.

>>47381694
>berserkers
You're right I agree withc you 100%

Any info on the Hydra Myridon from our Ret spoiler-bro, hopefully it'll come off the shelf along with Vyros next month.

>>47381688
Looking at what few changes they made to CoC it kinda almost looks like they couldn't be bothered to do more than the bare minimum to make them semi-balanced.

Forgot Great Bears! Last one then I'm done for now.

They lost Weapon Master and Back Swing but gained Flank [another Great Bear] and Rapid Strike.

how are pikemen?

>>47381766
I like that change. Flank actually makes way more sense.

>>47381766
Trading backswing for rapid strike is a nice buff.