>You're DMing for a new group of players
>Everything seems normal
>Except one guy had way too much character information way too fast
>One of the other players reaches out to you
>He points out to you that it's an f-list character with the fetishes shaved off
>He even has the link to the original
>Original is covered in degenerate fetishes
>The incarnation on your table has none apparent
Would you kick him out for double dipping from the Magical Realm?
Or would you kick out the snitch who was the only reason you found out, not the player actually being problematic?
I would ponder deeply how the other player came to this information.
After that, do nothing. Recycling a character, whatever the source, is fine by my standards.
>>47349622
>hiding your fetishes
I kick them the fuck out.
This was supposed to be a wholesome ERP, if you hide your fetishes how the hell am I supposed to cater to your love of monster cocks?
>>47349622
If its a sensible character I really dont see the problem, Just got to keep a eye out for the person trying to add fetish fuel to your game.
>>47349622
Don't kick out either, but consider both "on notice". Watch them carefully. If one or the other is deliberately being a dick or trying to shove fetish shit in, even if it's just to the other, tell whoever it is that they've got just ONE last chance to shape up or get booted.
>>47349622
I'd find any of the fetishes I shared and introduce them to the game subtly, specifically targeting the character.
Then I'd reach out to them and start running a one on one ERP with the player.
>>47349622
>problematic
What's the problem? I fail to see one.
>>47350022
>Dubs of truth
This, I would see what kinks matches up with mine and slowly and subtly in till I can convince the player to play in a more private setting.
>>47350040
Well, if you had a better grasp of grammar you'd know that there currently isnt one as stated by the OP
>>47349622
>incredibly contrived scenario just to try and fish out "There's nothing wrong with ERP" responses
I'd kick him out. I'd kick you out as well.
>>47350167
/topic
>>47349622
Next time post this garbage in /d/ where it belongs.
>Implying I don't already include all my subtle fetishes in my settings already as GM
The best part about femdom is that it often goes hand in hand with "strong female characters".
There's literally nothing wrong with basing a character on your favorite fetish.
>>47350224
Every female character I play is a petite qt 3.14 with an incredibly nice ass. The butt thing only ever came up one time over the years though.
>>47350200
>fully clothed
>/d/
What, you from Utah or something?
>>47350246
>Every female character I play is a petite qt 3.14
I want womanlets to leave
>>47350263
Amazonian types can be fun too, but there's just something endearing about girls you can (literally) pick up.
>>47350224
Sadly the dumb cheating NTR bullshit of the mothers ruined WCW for me.
I hate /u/.
>>47350280
>not making the Amazon giggle like a schoolgirl as you throw her over your shoulder.
>>47350246
>I've done this twice
>The first one the party was all rollplayers so they didn't care at all and I ended up just being a buff machine for all they cared.
>The second time the game had like nine players so I just followed behind like a puppy and only ever really bonded with the comic relief characters since I was the only one that would go along with their bits.
I just want to be picked up and carried away ;_;
>>47349622
How did this other player know?
Why did they feel the need to inform me?
Clearly I poorly chose players overall.
>>47350348
Are you into Yuri?If you are, I'll carry you anon <3
>>47350348
GIVE ME YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION
JOIN MY GAME
>>47350348
Do you secretly wish to be a little girl, anon?
Have you talked to your therapist?
>>47349622
Sounds fine to me, long as he doesn't start getting to fetishy at the table. PCs having a sex life, sure. Players expecting me to go into detail, not so much.
I'd probably explain as much to the guy that warned me. And probably poke at least a little bit of fun at him for noticing in the first place.
>>47350381
Not really, I would still like to be carried though.
>>47350390What system?
>>47350404
Kinda, but I don't think I'd be very cute.
>>47350287
Word on the streets is that Honoka was originally planned to be a girl, until editorial mandate changed him to a boy.
>>47350390
Can can I join too? Ill be your healbot if you'll let me. I promise.
>tfw all you want is a cute romance RP
>tfw no one will ever want to play something so boring
kill me now
>>47350481
That's not word on the street, reasonably sure the author said that. They changed him to a boy on a whim.
And that chuffs my flaps because if he was a girl I wouldn't give a single fuck about more /u/ shit. But they suckered me in and THEN /u/ shit.
Especially Honoka's mother. I don't give a fuck if she was your childhood flame, you are a married woman with two fucking kids. You shouldn't be blatantly trying to cheat on your spouse in front of them!
And I wouldn't care if the series didn't portray it as "awww so cute and quirky XD".
>>47350471
>>47350482
Well now I'm just self conscious about my shitty game, anons!Pathfinder, but with homebrew races and setting. I am an awful cringe-inducing weeaboo though.I guess if you're still interested you could still post your skype or email address...
>>47350520I don't care.[email protected]
>tfw want to play love story
>can't because characters are usually hyper masculine barbarians or grizzled fighters
Thunk want love, too.
I would get that neckbeard shit out of here.
>>47350609
What kind of love story anon?
>>47350609
>>47350494
Make it happen anons, I need a cute loveydovey RP in my life.
>>47350653
A typical love story of a barbarian who loves both the death of his foes and his wife in equal measure.
>>47350520
Post yours. Ill reach out tonight after work
>>47350494
>tfw the most recent bit in a game I play consisted of setting up a date between and NPC and PC that totally wanted it but would never go for it on their own
Feels pretty great.
>>47350703
In the last game I GM'd, a decent chunk of the players pursued romance with the NPC party.
Then one of them player match maker for an NPCyuricouple. The rest of the party caught vague wind of this and spent a session solid snaking their way through town, following said couple and spying on them on their first date. It was cute and also pretty funny.
>>47350559
>>47350696[email protected]
You'll need to send an email to get my skype details though, senpai.
>>47350733
>that email address
Well gosh, I'm kinda interested inyounow.
>>47350731
>yuri
I hate /u/ and /u/r players.
Same shit in quest threads. "OH TEE HEE GAY LADIES XD"
>>47350742Anon please I'm not used to this feeling. Let's not shit up this thread!
>>47350381
That feel when my char is looking for romance but the DM tries to pair my qt elfy girl with a big male minotaur instead of a female knight..
>>47350792
Get ready to prep the bull!
>>47350792
Quit expecting people to play into your gay shit, maybe.
This is why I can't stand dudes playing female characters. They almost always pull this bullshit.
>>47350768
>GRR I'M INSECURE AND HATE ANYTHING NON-HETERO
Cool your neckbeard, boyo
>>47350792Would you be interested in ongoing, cute /u/ romance?
>>47350812
The best part is, while you sit around being upset at strangers on the internet, they're relaxing and having fun.
>>47349622
>kicking people for such petty reasons
>>47350771
TOO LATE!
>>47349622
>not the player actually being problematic?
But he's not being problematic. He's not doing anything wrong. He's not rubbing his dirty fetishes in the faces of everyone at the table. He's not even hinting at them.
I kick out no one because nothing is wrong.
>>47350826
M-Maybe..
>>47350813
Maybe you're right. Fuck sakes, I'm just so burnt out at this point. Always with the fucking /u/shit when it comes to tabletop games.
Maybe it's my fellow players. Maybe it's the community. Who knows. Never once seen a gay male/male romance, either.
And it's funny, because it's the opposite of the problem I used to have with fandoms, where'd they'd jump on the chance to ship whatever gay shit is the new black. It's like I'm back on a shitty anime forum.
>>47350864
If you're willing to share your contact info, I'd love to discuss putting something together.
>>47350906
lily.cakes3 is my skype
>>47349622
Convene the council. Figure out which of their fetishes can be played straight in a non-sexy way. Use them and play them out in the least sexy way possible while still being that fetish.
Anything on his "never ever" list will be the theme for a prominent NPC, played to be only slightly and somewhat unsettlingly sexy.
>>47350912
Message incoming
>>47350249
>Not being able to figure out it was referring to the topic in general.
What is reading comprehension?
>>47350912Have I been rused?
>>47351004
No?.. You haven't added me.
>>47349622
As long as it doesn't come up during game play I punish the snitch with "Jimmy" the ___ Ogre. Where blank is exactly what is needed to turn one simple word choice into a fade to black their character will regret in the morning.
We have one Grippli who met Jimmy...That Grippli was fun for Jimmy...not so much fun for him. You know Small catching for Large.
>>47350287
>Sadly the dumb cheating NTR bullshit of the mothers ruined WCW for me
I thought you meant the other WCW there and wondered what Vince McMahon was doing in lesbian anime
>>47350768
>hating positive nonbinary queer characters
die cis scum
Tell the snitch not to pull this drama-whoring bullshit again. As long as they're not serial killers, I don't care what people do when they're not at my table, so don't bring your grudges into my game. If you can't avoid it, then you - not they - get to go home.
>>47350792
>not slowly warming up to the burly minotaur's advances
>not falling asleep in his soft, warm arms, listening to his deep, rhythmic breathing
>not playing with his ears, laughing as they twitch from the new sensation>not falling further into lust as his massive member spears deep inside of you
What are you, some kind of homosexual?
Wait, did this entire thread jump into skype without me?
>>47351492
We've even put together a skype group already, anon, why aren't you here?
>>47350167
>>47350200
This.
>>47349637
The thread is won.
>>47349622
Kick neither, both have done nothing wrong yet.
>>47351520
Because Im at work and dont have skype! This is bullshit. I was the second to respond!
>>47350494
It happens. My current game had the oracle start a war in the name of love.
Dont leave your heal slut behind. Im est weekends. I need a game
>>47350771
>>47350742
You guys are fucking cute.
>>47352597
You and they should fuck off forever.
>>47349622
I've done the opposite of that a couple of times. I made characters for games that died before I got to play them, so I turned them into profiles and use them for non-lewd play.
If I ever end up recycling those characters I hope I'm never found out.
>>47349622
>not the player actually being problematic
Are you talking about yourself?
>>47350224
How do incorporate rope bondage into a character concept?
>>47353368
The moment I posted that I just remembered DC did just that and I even have a pic from the same photo series.
>>47349622
Kick out the nigger that complained and then kill yourself for even considering that this could have been a problem at all.
>>47349622
What is this "f-list" you speak of, some hipster facebook?
>>47350381
>Are you into Yuri?
Are you not, comrade?
>>47351232
>>47350792
>tfw you will never be a gaping, shaking mess when the minotaur's finished with you
>>47352762
This desu.
I REALLY liked that one character concept, and would go back and kick my own ass to stop me from posting it.F-List is such a shithole holy fuck I'm never going back.I know I should have expected it, but Jesus.
>>47353368
Does number 4 have nasty bush or is that a bad tattoo?
>>47353459
It looks to be a tattoo but I can't make out what
>>47353368
>>47353401
You said it, look no further then WW.
>>47349622
Kick out yourself for using shitwords like "problematic."
>>47353499
If someone is causing a problem, what other word are you meant to use? Just because someone else uses it, does that mean the word is now forever tarnished by them?
>>47353463
That's pretty much the definition of bad tattoo.
>>47349622
If someone has fetishes, that's cool. Fetishes on their OC, that's cool. Cleaning off the fetishes to make them playable, that's cool.
I'd be wary of the snitch though since he's obviously trying to start something.
>>47352631
No need to be jealous, you can fuck off with us~
>>47353405
>hurr durr, react like the real issue isn't obvious
The problem isn't the stupid imagined scenario that OP cooked up, the problem is people thinking they're very clever at disguising that the primary motivation behind a character's design was a fetish.
People like you and OP are trying to go for a "It doesn't matter where it comes from" angle, when in reality most of the worst characters that ever hit a tabletop come from people who lack any degree of self-awareness and think they've successfully snuck in their "cleaned-up" fetish character, when all they've done is brought in a hollow shell that is awkward and unlikable.
The "Fetish-first" design process is ridiculous, but no where near as insane as the people who obsess about it and try to pretend it's not one of the worst ways to build a character.
>>47350877
>Never once seen a gay male/male romance, either.
For me it's the opposite. I can't count how many male gay characters I've encountered in tabletop games. Only think I've met a single female one.Ignoring Succubi, Incubi and Elves.
>>47353742
That might be because you need to drink bleach.
>>47349622
If the character doesn't have any apparent fetishes on them, then clearly she's okay to play without immediate worry of magical realm.
I wouldn't kick the snitch, but I would ask them not to start shit unless the magical realm shit pops up rather overtly.
>>47353869
>replying to OP earnestly
Read the subtext.
>TFW you'll never get the chance to play as a qt healslut
Why even live?
>>47353955
Whattimezone?
>>47353977
Im the earlier healslut and Im est
>>47354012
SEND THE EMAIL! They went to bed but were waiting for you!
>>47353977
>>47354023
I'm est as well. Which email?
>>47353955
>>47353977
Whether or not being a healslut is fun depends entirely on whose healslut you are
>A tomboyish ladyknight who tends to be hotheaded, overzealous and can't say no to a challenge but is pure of heart
>A strict, uptight and virtuous female paladin who is highly inexperienced in matters of the heart, but is willing to learn
>A morally questionable scoundrel of a rogue who acts like an onee-chan type and tenderly dominates you
>A haughty, overconfident archmage who believes you should be honored that she even allows you to bask in her presence, let alone touch her to heal her
>A brutish, boisterous and extremely possessive barbarian who has already claimed you as her husband whether you like it or not
This thread reminds me why I'm happy the smut threads were moved to /soc/ and /d/
>>47353442
About 90% of the people there are terrible players yes.
>>47354103
You're right, /tg/ is so much better these days when blocking the word 'quest' removes 60 threads.
>>47353425
(mostly) furry RP site that is notable for having a system that lists your turn-ons and turn-offs.
>>47354023
I did send the email to diminuitivebust like half an hour after it was posted!
>>47354049
Whoever is >>47350482
>>47350733
was waiting for them, they've gone to bed now but you should still email.
>>47353368
>How do incorporate rope bondage into a character concept?
This is literally the entire concept behind the Dark Hunter class in Etrian Odyssey and it makes zero attempt to hide it.
>>47354166
Then they'll probably get back to you tonight they're from shitposterland and you probably just missed them.
>>47349622
F-List is nothing but neckbeards who without exception play shitty anime-tier characters that make even edgy murderhobo D&D veterans cringe.
Kill it with fire. Anyone know if they still have the /tg/ room over there that's nothing but videogame discussions?
>>47353624
>The "Fetish-first" design process is ridiculous, but no where near as insane as the people who obsess about it and try to pretend it's not one of the worst ways to build a character.
It's the perfect way to build a character. If you aren't going to try to make a character that you like then there isn't any point in doing it at all.
You are such a fucking faggot.
>>47349622
>f-list character
what
>>47354399
>herpderp
So, you genuinely are retarded. Thanks for clearing things up.
Now, for the education process.
To start, fuck you. Got to get that out of the way, because you are literally too stupid to treat as anything more than a petulant child who deserves every little bit of ridicule and hatred that comes their way. You are the child that insists on disrupting the classroom, simply because they are so stupid that they are so certain of their backwards ideas.
Now, if the only way you feel emotionally attached to a character is by having a fetish built around them, congrats, you are emotionally retarded and unfit to be called human. Guess what happens when you take away that single link of emotion? You wind up with a character that's absolute shit in every spectrum, the result of trying to defetishize a fetish character.
You are so mindless, that you've actually decided to embrace being retarded, like it's a point of pride. Like being so brain-addled that the only way you feel anything is when you think entirely with your genitals is something you wish to inflict upon other people, or at the very least that it's something that doesn't make you a freak that is the butt of every joke about roleplaying games.
>>47354508
Lol, faggot.
>>47354440
It's a hentai site.
>>47354508
>complains about other people disrupting things
>goes into threads he hates to disrupt things
Nobody forced you to read this or post here
>>47354508
Calm down. Nothing wrong with creating a character that you find sexually attractive.
>>47355015
No one said that. The issue was the "fetish-first" design process, especially when the person later tries to remove the fetishes from that character.
>>47354988
It sounds like you need an education.
Can you tell me what's wrong with building a character around a central concept, having each part of that character relate to that concept, and then trying to remove that central concept?
You get a gold star if you figure out this super difficult question.
>>47349622
It's worth mentioning that it could have gone the other way around.
I'll admit that I've had a character who started as just a perfectly legitimate character who later evolved into the sort of guy who'd be excellent for ERP.
Basically the character is self absorbed, highly fashion conscious (and dresses up regardless of the gender the clothing was originally intended for), and hits on more or less anything that's suitably charismatic and below a certain threshold of evil. In a standard game it's good for a laugh and every now and then you advance the story by hitting on a dragon who doesn't quite know what to make of the pretty humanoid trying to convince him to get busy. Sure, the game includes a fade to black every time it actually works out but it's basically just fun shenanigans you'd expect from a bard.
Thing is, you could very easily take a character who used to be a whole lot deeper, round off some of the more complicated edges, and instead run around ERP land hitting on everything and not fading to black.
>>47355081
>especially when the person later tries to remove the fetishes from that character.
You don't remove it, you just tone it down slightly or hide it,
>>47349622
I wouldn't kick them out for just that. As long as we are all having fun, there is no problem.
If someone stops having fun, we have to reconsider what is detracting it for that person and see if we can find a suitable arrangement.
That being said, I don't mind getting a little bit of lewdness in my games: I get invested more, the more emotions and feelings I feel thanks to the game; it's just the way I am!
>>47349637
poor girl gets raped a lot and is in no way her own person anymore. just that mans love slave. he really should just get a collar and call it a done deal.
>>47350506
>>baww muh /u/
litterally everything is catered to your dick in this industry, go find a bridge and jump off it into a portal to hell you whiny piece of garbage.
>>47355932
>I'm a sexually stunted manchild that can't handle people enjoying themselves harmlessly in a way I don't approve of!
Are you maybe jealous that they're having way more fun than you ever could? Are you maybe upset that where others are having a great time, you're filled only with impotent, embarrassing rage?
>>47355081
I know right? its almost like its trivial to imagine a character without fetishes and like a character is a maleable concept that can change instead of being locked into the way it was first created.
what a fucking retard.
>>47355977
>manchild
retard alert
>jealous
yes, I am infact jealous and upset that these people don't have to deal with depictions of us in anime being 75% this. and then they have the gall to complain that we're ruining their shit.
>>47356015
It's almost like you design characters in one direction because you are emotionally challenged, and then when you actually want to try playing with real people, you are forced to perform awkward operations that leave the character a miserable shamble that would have been better off if you had simply abandoned it and started fresh with an appropriate direction in mind.
It's almost like you make life difficult for yourself because you enjoy being retarded.
>>47354167
Okay, I've made it home now, how do I get into the skype group short of waiting for the aussie to wake up?
>>47356147
Where you molested as a child, fag? Can't really think of anything else that would make someone so afraid of sex like you are.
>>47356147
>>started fresh
all I'm hearing is that you can't build anything without going into a severe meditation, possibly becuase you use it to subvert your obvious anger issues. your logic MUST BE APPLIED to every situation equally for it to have any validity and not be your own retarded wanking. Therefore templates, modified creatures, archtypes, and rethinking a character in any way shape or form are all wrong forever according to you. I know which game I'd rather play. the one where there isn't an autist who decides if something didn't start from nothing it's automatically shit.
Have some fetishes since its on topic to the thread I guess
>>47356223
I like how you can't handle basic logic.
But, aside from that, if you are designing a character, and your first instinct is "Hey, let's build it around a fetish I have", that paints you as a person less interested in playing a game, and more interested in finding some fuel to masturbate to.
I understand you're kind of just flopping around because you made the retarded mistake of thinking you can somehow rationalize inserting your fetish into everything you do, but at least don't make it obvious that you lack the higher mental functions of actual humans.
This is hardly about being afraid of anything, it's the question of why you're so obsessed to the point that you've willingly turned off your brain.
>>47356283
I'm sorry, it just sounds like you said "fuck, I'm a retard, I can be retarded."
That's great. Be a retard. Just don't pretend being a retard is smart or worth encouraging. If anything, your whole "It's okay to make a retarded character if you go back and try to make it unretarded and wind up only making it double-retarded" line of rationale makes me wonder how you expect to call anyone else an autist.
Just bow your head in shame, and don't try to argue if your only argument is "Yes, I'm retarded, but please please leave me alone."
>>47356427
>>bow my head in shame for doing nothing wrong.
OP made the situation pretty clear. the flist player cut out all the things that made it related to fetishes to the point that no one could tell. the only reason anyone knew is that the person had the same name as a f-list character. Nothing you are doing is changing any of the facts that the person A: successfully removed all fetishes and B: you are a retarded sperg who keeps shouding "retard retard you're retarded and need to just admit you lose"
the consiquences of your autism have real implications for the rest of the game, you don't get to ignore it just because you only made up excuses to keep the fact that you have no actual problem with anything you are saying unless something completely unrelated triggers you.
>>47356371
So you were molest.
>>47354064
>that image
For the longest time, I've wanted to do a sort of dark, gritty fantasy game filled withromance, pitting our characters against the darkness of the world with ourloveas the bright, shining shield of hope for a future against the eternal abyss. His shield protecting me, as I defend him with sword and steel, together against the encroaching darkness, we huddle around the dimming flame.Set to the intro soundtrack to Dark Souls 3. That music does things to me.
>>47349622
>>with the fetishes shaved off
Kind of the important part.
As long as they stay out of the game then what ever. I'll be keeping an eye on him to make sure it stays that way but until he fucks it up I don't care.
>>47349622
Nah, not as long as they reel it in. If they start making a of a scene I'd just tell them that was enough and that they need to make a new, none fetish based character.
>>47356486
Let's talk about the concept of subtext.
The only thing OP made clear was that he wanted to present the idea that you can strip a fetish character of their fetish and still end up with a decent character.
Did he provide anything to help establish this as fact? Not at all, and continuing on he decided to try and invent a person that somehow, miraculously, connected the character to their f-list account, and decided to reveal this information apparently without any purpose beyond establishing this hypothetical scenario.
C'mon. Let's stop pretending there's any reality to the OP, either from the idea that the scenario actually occurred or that anyone stupid enough to try and "shave the fetishes from a fetish character" would actually have other people that would want to play with them.
>>47356486
>>47356493
The level of repression here astounds me. The OP is likely fake, but there are multiple people in this thread who are so genuinely terrified of sex that the thought of being reminded that someone at the table plays a totally separate game that includes it is enough to make them want to kick that player out. How do you even get that way? I know Americans are supposed to be prudish, but I'm nothing like this and neither is anyone I know.
>X happens at game wat do?
The answer is always talk it out. There is no situation barring actual crimes that will require more or less attention than that. If you think otherwise you're the worst kind of dude.
>>47350061
Bottom left. He can see you.
>>47356640
>>The only thing OP made clear was that he wanted to present the idea that you can strip a fetish character of their fetish and still end up with a decent character.
yes we went over that shit you mouth breather. I made it very clear that this is possible and you denied it, and by extension of denying that, denied 90% of all fantasy material as garbage that doesn't belong in a game. you don't get to backpeddle to a previous part of the arguement in the hopes that we've all forgotten you did this. you did, and thats exactly why you are retarded. its completely possible to take a concept and reimagine it as something new, and anyone who says its inherently flawed to do that doesn't belong at a game table becuase they will throw a shit fit over the next dragon with a breath weapon other than lightning shows up. or hobgoblins. or anything.
>>47356746
The level of you being a retard amazes me.
You're one of those people who lack self awareness, and when you obviously force your fetish into something, you are stupid enough to think you were clever and sneaky and that no one noticed.
Even if they didn't notice that you inserted your fetish, what they did notice was your poorly designed character that had a stupid set of (to them) nonsensical gimmicks.
It's hardly about it being sexual in nature. No one's terrified of that. What upsets them is people like you who are trying to rationalize their obsession, all the way to the point where there are people literally arguing that a "perfect" way to build a character is to start with a concept, than strip the character of that concept.
Why not just start without it, and spare your group the frustration of enduring your mess of character you built because you're stuck in the hormonal raging stage of adolescence?
>>47351097
IT WAS ME, UTENA. IT WAS ME AALLLLLLLLL ALOOOONG
>>47356983
>I made it very clear that this is possible
By using a fake story as an example?
Congrats, you've gone beyond retarded. I've actually got to now go and put myself into cryogenic sleep, wake up a hundred years in the future, find out what word they use to describe idiots like you, and then go back in time just so I can call you it.
You fucking dirglap.
>>47352631
dude that just means you're being tsundere and thus part of the problem/humping
>>47356994
Thanks for demonstrating my point. You don't know anything about me as a player or what kinds of games I've been involved in, but you make all these assumptions to rationalize the anger and revulsion you feel whenever you're reminded that not only are there people out who have and enjoy sex, most people aren't as messed up as you.
>>47357192
Here's the fun part. The only point that's been demonstrated is that you lack self awareness.
Come back when you don't trip over yourself, crying about how someone misreads you when you're going on about how people who don't obsess about inserting their fetishes into everything they do are the ones who are "messed up."
>>47356994
Get laid. Seriously. Masturbate if you have to, or at least take a laxative.
>>47357266
Masturbating before posting on this board is something people like you should do, since it's clear that you can't think clearly thanks to all that built up frustration.
>>47357303
A real man's boner is in his heart
>collect character sheets from a new group
>one character is a female elf mage
>notable traits list includes titty monster at the end
>in different handwriting with a different colored pen from the rest of the sheet
I ran with it. The girl playing her didn't notice until our second session
>>47350494
>Tfw the closest thing to romance my campaign has is the beginning of an older brother/younger sister relationship between the (18ish) Half Elf Ranger and a 6-7 year old peasant girl he's taking care of after they saw her mother killed trying to save her
>>47356015
>I know right? its almost like its trivial to imagine a character without fetishes and like a character is a maleable concept that can change instead of being locked into the way it was first created.
INDEED, I mean, Rider from Fate/Stay Night?
TOTALLY A FETISH CHARACTER FROM START TO FINISH, GET THAT SHIT OUT OF HERE!!!
>>47357063
>by using a fake story as an example
>creature variation
>templates
>Archtypes
>character development
>theyre all not real, theyre fake, you heard me, I'm right!
confirmed for never having played any game ever. get the fuck out.
>>47356283
Asking for sauce on this.
Google image search gives nothing
>>47357812
What are you even on about? What does that have to do with using a fake story to try and provide proof that making a character "wrong" is a good idea just because you can spend a lot of wasted effort "fixing" it?
Can it be done? Perhaps, but you can hardly expect it to be done right in the hands of someone who's first instincts immediately steer them off the cliff.
>>47349636
This.
Exactly this.
Yet another thread over in the first post.
I'll check back after the thread autosages.
>>47358067
>can it be done? perhaps
backpeddling
>hardly expect it to be done right by a person with a sex drive.
retardation.
>what does that have to do with what I said
you are the stupidest person I've ever met. I already told you exactly what it has to do with that twice. You are insisting that you cant take a concept and change it into a different concept, this is wrong by every measure you care to come up with in table top games, and the entire systems in play all contradict your wrong delusions. I've listed them for you twice already, the things that are now not allowed if we accepted what you said as true. A character is not broken because it is a fetish character for fetish roleplaying. Repurposing it to fit in another game does not take more effort than creating something new, nor is it wasting time if it's fun.
The fact that you are unable to understand how these things are all the same action "starting with a whole and changing things about it to make it different" shows how transparent and delusional your obvious rage over sexuality is.
>>47349636
>After that, do nothing. Recycling a character, whatever the source, is fine by my standards.
This.
>>47350494
>Join a magical girl game
>Yurifags ruin everything
Literally every time.
Is this the angriest thread on /tg/ right now?
>>47358225
What I'm insisting is that building a character around a core concept, and then stripping that character of that core concept, is retarded.
Dance around that however you want, what with your strawmanning to try and say I'm condemning any change to a character, but the simple truth I want you to walk away with is that you and your fetish character are shit, and that hoping to present them as anything other than shit just make them laughably stupid shit.
>>47358307
see
>>47356063
>>47355932
>>47358358
>"I'm a yurifag who will continue to ruin your magical girl games and there's nothing you can do to stop me"
>>47358350
>building a character around a core concept, and then stripping that core concept is retarded
>dragons breath fire, theyre evil and eat people, making a good one that breaths ice is wrong and retarded
dance around what? this is the factual conclusion of what you are saying. that you can't take the X out of something and make something new that's good. its impossible and anything that does it is shit. You don't get to walk away with the truth because your a delusional retard who doesn't even understand it. but you do get to walk away with the truth here that I and hundreds of others have been cramming down your autistic throat; You don't belong at any game table where the list of things occured, OR you're such a delusional shit stain that you are making up any reason possible to deny something because it has at one point been sexualized. Then you don't belong in any game run for people over 15, not any game ever.
>>47358412
Come back when you can make a character that isn't shit.
>>47358397
if me liking a different sexuality than you and roleplaying it is ruining it for you then fuck off. go play dragon ball Z or escaflone or some shit. you straightfags have everything, litterally everything, handed to your asses on a platinum fucking platter, Ever pairing especially in magical girls is always always straight or just implied. Most lesbian characters are sexual assulting joke characters or end up forever alone anyway. you're like a guy that shows up to a lesbian bar and then complains that no women are hitting on you or there are no men to hit on. fuck off/.
>>47358432
>durr i have no arguement so I'll just say uh uh ur shit.
Kill yourself you waste of air.
>>47358412
There's a difference between "factual conclusion" and "hyperbolic exaggeration."
![sailor-moon-tuxedo-mask[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GfPyXbj.jpg "sailor-moon-tuxedo-mask[1].jpg")
>>47358448
>magical girl game
>Equivalent to a lesbian bar
Fuck off already /u/
>>47358477
no, its not hyperbolic exaggeration. Those are core elements of a dragon that you are replacing with other things. it is a direct result of that delusion that anything with it's core removed and tweaked and changed can't be good. Just because your retarded opinions don't jive with it doesn't mean your repackaging the example is what reality is. thats just your contortion to find an excuse for why you are still right.
>>47358469
Please, don't even bother posting if your "great idea" for a character is "fetish character minus the fetish".
That hardly even counts as an idea, it's practically a contradiction.
>>47358499
>equivelent to a bar
>>yuri fags always ruin magical girl games
yes, it's equivalent to a bar full of lesbians you retard. otherwise you wouldn't be bitching. Fuck off back to /a/
>>47358530
>durr don't bother posting if you reporpose characters.
again, kill yourself, you've had over 5 people in the thread tell you you are wrong and you are still flailing around like a dumb fish.
>>47358513
You seem stupid. You're not redefining the core of the dragon by making it good. Redefining the core of the dragon would be making it a duck and calling it a dragon.
>>47358572
>durr
a dragon is a lizard that breaths fire and is evil. thats what it is, thats all it ever was in western culture
taking out fire and replacing it with something wierd like ice IS removing the core of something. if we followed your new and even more retarded assumption, theres no way you can say that a fetish character has the core of it changed unless it's now a duck.
>This argument again
I don't give a fuck if you're a /u/boater or straightfag, stop fucking shoving your shit in everyone's faces.
My God, is it not fucking possible to have a campaign without romantic interests just ONCE so people don't sperg out about their waifu or Homu or whatever?
>>47358572
oh, and that by the way is true in the reverse. if you add a bunch of fetishes to an existing character, they are not changed unless its so dramatic they are a different species incapable of thought or human motions.
>>47358542
>Why would anyone play a magical girl game to engage in light hearted cute pg13 adventures
>No obviously they're all here to watch me roleplay the sexual antics of underaged lesbians
>THEY'RE the weirdos here, not me!
Truly, sc/u/m are the lowest form of life on Earth.
>>47358350
>What I'm insisting is that building a character around a core concept, and then stripping that character of that core concept, is retarded
It is certainly a convoluted method of character generation, but a valid one.
Calling a pleasant human that breathes ice a Dragon is retarded, though.
>>47358513
I agree with this buttmad anon
>>47358620
>mommy why does everyone like a thing I don't like, they need to stop liking that thing, why can't they just go away?
Shut up honey I'm fucking your dad
>>47358605
Except that isn't the case at all.
I know you're struggling here and trying to run off on a hyperbolic tangent, but you can't pretend to redefine such a broad concept as "dragon" just to suit your current needs. Hell, my partial definition of "not a duck, unless it is a duck dragon" works better than the bit you cobbled together.
>>47358646
>purefags
wow, stop posting any time.
you're saying that magical girls are romance free? they're a staple of the series, the only weird one is you, who thinks your asexuality and purefaggotry entitles you to more than your fair share of spotlight in the game.
>>47353442
You could just delete the character.
>>47358673
>broad concept
no dumbass. its a specific one. the only reason you think otherwise is your living on a heaping pile of repurposed fantasy and pretending it was allways there to start with.
Dragon
a mythical monster like a giant reptile. In European tradition the dragon is typically fire-breathing and tends to symbolize chaos or evil,
this is the only thing important they bothered to put in a dictionary. it's the core of what a dragon is in the west. deal with it or leave.
>>47358656
Valid? If you mean assbackwards, convoluted, unneccesary, unhelpful, to be avoided, and has lead to some of the worst characters ever to even be considered to be included in a game, but may still, miraculously, result in a character that isn't 100% the worst thing ever, then okay, we'll use that definition of valid, even if it's not particularly useful.
>>47358739
Do I really need to educate you on dragons?
>>47358759
it's not ruining the game you stupid shit. thats what you singed up for. unless you show up , and ask if there is not going to be any romance or lesbianism up front, and everyone but you said no there wont be, you have no leg to stand on, and even then, it wasn't lesbians that ruined your shitty game if its true, its that your players are shitty people, which if you examine your own shitness and the shitness of otherpeople, you'd realize it has nothing to do with yurifags or lesbianism and you wouldn't have such a retarded delusion that other people are awful for having a sexuality you don't like.
>>47358774
>do I really need to educate you on dragons?
Dumbass, these are facts, you deciding theyre wrong doesn't make them wrong, that makes you retarded. go ahed, pull another delusional contortion to salvage your broken and contradicted belief.
![Sakura-Syaoran-cardcaptor-sakura-2114962-320-240[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ePEsBsH.jpg "Sakura-Syaoran-cardcaptor-sakura-2114962-320-240[1].jpg")
>>47358795
>thats what you singed up for
>It's a "/u/fag thinks magical girl = lesbianism" episode
>>47358761
>durr your idea cant work, because I said so, see look at all this stuff i think it is, that means i'm right.
>>47358840
>durr
you signed up for a game in which other people share the game time with you you stupid delusional retarded cuck. so yes, you get to share that spotlight and content with other people who may be interested in doing things that you don't give a shit about, and the only people who would look at that and say their game is ruined because of it is the worst shitstained kind of that guy that should be booted out of the group until they learn to behave like an adult.
>>47358847
>>47358761
>convoluted
I even used this one in my post.
Heh
>>47358761
Silly, ol' anon.
Glad we agree though.
Party on.
>>47358877
>"I-it's just innocent romance! They're just doing stuff you may not give a shit about!"
t. that guy who describes in detail how his 11 year old tongues her girlfriend in front of 5 other people
>>47358966
>hyperbole
unless those 5 other people had the same problem you had with it, you've got no room to stand on. Its hilarious you'd bring this up as an example of how yurifags ruin things when if someone did that and no one liked it, you'd just kick them out and go on your merry way, with the game not being ruined at all. either way you are purposefully concealing information or contriving a scenario to insult me and make yurifags look bad despite the fact that it doesn't support your position if theyre in the minority.
>>47358943
>>glad we agree
you and him, versus like 10 other people.
being a retard isn't a virtue.
>>47359034
At the point where you're hoping to play a numbers game is the point where you might as well give up.
>>47358823
Here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon
You might want to learn a bit before you try to narrow a broad idea down to a rather limited one just for the sake of an argument, especially when that argument relies entirely on that idea being limited in a particular way.
>>47359140
>hoping to play the numbers game
yes, you don't seem to understand do you? that table tops are social games, and during that situation, it's the prevelance of an opinion that matters. I'm glad you caught up to realizing how retarded you are. never the less, even if you had the numbers, you'd still be wrong, because your logic is broken, the only result of your opinions being popular would be that people running and playing table top games are just as retarded as you. luckily most of them are not, and recognize the inherent flaw in saying "re-purposing something is ass backwards you should never do it ever ever ever ever"
>>47359194
>you better have a broad and expansive definition for a creatures core.
no dumbass. I don't need to read about dragons, just like a person doesn't need to be a physicist to get the core idea around general relativity, adding more information and details is irrelevant. we are discussing changing the core of what something is and making something new. surprise surprise I'm right again.
>>47350849
try again fag
>>47359242
that person was checking someone elses dubs
>>47359259
Well, fuck. I don't apologize thou. We're all fags.
>>47359277
nice dubs fag
>>47359226
Altering the alignment of a dragon does not make it stop being a dragon, especially because there are plenty of examples of good dragons.
You must either be an impressive troll or genuinely stupid, because you hinged your entire tangent argument on this bizarre notion that the only dragons that exist are the ones that fit your limited definition. Considering there are plenty of good and ice dragons and the like, it seems that the "core" concept of a dragon does not depend on whether they are evil or breathe fire.
>GM'ing roleplay heavy 5E game
>one PC is a succubus and a noble
>first in line to her noble house
>another PC who didn't pick a faction is from a family of pirates
>high elf, first in line to take over the family business
>ran away from his responsibilities and left his brother to be the new heir
>one of the other players is absent for a couple weeks
>have to come up with a quick plotline on the side to stall the main quest
>the pirate clan wants to join the empire, become a noble house
>the succubus's family lost a lot of troops in a recent battle, need more resources
>pirates happen to have an unwed son
>nobles have an unwed daughter
>they teamed up for a battle when both PC's requested their aid
>both families decide to unite
>arranged marriage between two PC's ensues
>que the most DRAMATIC character development and hardcore roleplaying I have ever seen with my eyeballs
>a couple sessions later that one player finally comes back
>mfw he asks me what he missed
>>47359347
>altering the alignment
yes, it does, just like altering the alingment of a succubus does the same thing, even with plenty of examples. A dragon is evil and breaths fire. thats the core of what makes it something other than a lizard.
>because you hinged your entire tangent argument on this bizarre notion that the only dragons that exist are the ones that fit your limited definition.
no dumbass, I said the only core to a dragon is that, not that other dragons don't exist. you change the core you get a new version of an already bad ass creature. I'm glad you caught up to the fact that this isn't counter intuitive, and in fact easily comes to mind. now all you have to do to stop being such a mouth breathing retard is understand that the same concept can be applied to anything and the resulting product does not turn to shit just because you started with something differen't you stupid shit.
>>47359427
I don't think you understand. You must genuinely be stupid.
All these alterations? They do not alter the core concept. A good succubus is still a succubus, and there's examples of good succubi. A ice dragon? Still a dragon.
All you are doing is basically showing that you fail to recognize the "core" of a creature. A dragon is a fantasy monster. A broad, loose term that generally refers to reptilian creatures, but not always. A succubus is a female demon. Those are the basic cores of those creatures. There are strong trends in alignment, but you can have a non-evil female demon (like Fall-From-Grace) just like you can have a non-evil fantasy monster.
More importantly, this all has little to do with any point you might have been trying to make.
If your design process is "I want to design X, then I want to make it not-X", you are basically an idiot. If your goal is to design a Not-dragon, why bother starting with a dragon, subtracting all the parts that make it a dragon, and ending up with a duck? In what world does that sound like a good idea?
Holy fuck. What happened to my thread?
>>47359658
Yurifags and f-list degenerates getting triggered.
>>47359570
>all these alterations don't alter the core concept
no, they do, and I've factually proved it.
>A good succubus is still a succubus
by this logic, a person without fetishes is a person with fetishes. yeah no, you're retarded, all of your shit is retarded, and you have no brain of your own.
if your design process includes "I want to make take X and make it Y," it is not shit and always shit as you insist on repeating over and over and fucking over. Instead, you end up with Y, and it fucking works so often almost every player fucking does it and doesn't run into any crazy problems were filing off character traits essential to the core of that character (like making alexander from fate stay night not a ginormous douche bag) don't end them up with a character that is broken.
thats what you don't seem to get, my goal isn't to design a category, your goal on the other hand is to make sure anything that starts as something and has the core of it changed to something else results in a shit creation, which is factually false as I've given in tens of examples.
>>47359658
Ass mad retards searching for ways to pretend theyre the victim and that anyone who doesn't make everything about a character from scratch are evil and ruining your game.
>>47359771
>no, they do, and I've factually proved it.
You say that, and that just makes you wrong doubly so.
>A good succubus is still a succubus
by this logic, a person without fetishes is a person with fetishes. yeah no, you're retarded, all of your shit is retarded, and you have no brain of your own.
Follow through. A succubus is a female demon, not necessarily an evil female demon. If your setting has all demons be evil, than yes, it would follow that a succubus must be evil, but that's really not the case with all settings.
>it is not shit and always shit as you insist on repeating over and over and fucking over.
It is shit, because it's a shitty design process. You can design a car engine by first designing a bomb, but I'd rather drive the car engine designed by someone who wanted to design a car engine.
>it fucking works so often almost every player fucking does it
That's projection right there. And, it sounds like you've played a lot of games you've ruined without realizing it, because you are so self-absorbed that nothing anyone says to you can shake your core belief that your shitty design process leads to shitty characters more often than not. Unsurprising altogether, but if you really just want to hear people complain about shitty fetish characters that the person thought they had so cleverly sneaked into a game, pop into any THAT GUY thread and listen to the majority of the complaints.
More often than not, your "fetish-first" design process makes people want to kick you in the teeth.
>>47359961
>you say that
and it makes me right, because it's the truth, unlike the lie you repeat over and over again in the hopes of convincing people hitler style.
>>follow through
this has nothing to do with what I just said, and is a shitty attempt to divert a topic that is going to a place that you can't explain away adiquately with your lies.
Your LOGIC STATES that a person without fetishes is a person with fetishes.
Demons are evil, if you changed them to not be evil, then you modified something. it doesn't depend on setting you seething retard, because you precluded any discussion of a specific situation when you threw down the blanket statment that "if you take the core of something and change it to something else its shit"
Demons are evil, just like dragons breath fire and are evil lizards. If you played in a setting that changed that, that makes the setting shit according to your logic, because they got to the point you're refering to by the ass backwards always wrong way of taking something that exists and changing it.
>>It is shit, because it's a shitty design process. You can design a car engine by first designing a bomb, but I'd rather drive the car engine designed by someone who wanted to design a car engine.
you fucking retard, that's exactly how engines are designed, they're contained explosives.
if this doesn't make plain and bare how stupid you are to everyone else in the thread nothing fucking will. You LOSE good sir, LEAVE
>>47360143
>Demons are evil, if you changed them to not be evil, then you modified something. it doesn't depend on setting you seething retard, because you precluded any discussion of a specific situation when you threw down the blanket statment that "if you take the core of something and change it to something else its shit"
That's hardly what was said. The blanket statement is "If you are trying to design something, designing not-X and then trying to figure out how to make it X is a shitty design process". Or, the reverse, of "Designing X and then figuring out how to make it not X."
More importantly, you don't understand the core of what a demon is. Please, if you don't know all these things, don't try to argue about them. It just makes you look dumber than you already do.
And no, that's not how engines were designed. They were designed to be engines, not bombs. That's sort of why we now also have electric engines that don't use combustion, rather than us driving around giant sticks of dynamite on wheels.
That's the basic problem you are failing to understand. You don't understand intention and what it does to a design, like it all happens accidentally. I have a hard time believing you actually design characters, and rather you simply wind up with terrible characters are less "designed" and more "spawned" from the empty void you have in place of a mind.
>>47360334
>durrr eyem so retarded i can't breath
yeah no you backpeddling twat basket, your analogy even if you assume everything you said is true is already wrong because we're talking about a character. I want to design a character, I have this existing character, it has fetishes but I still like it, I'll remove them and now I have a character without fetishes. ITS STILL X you retard. when I said X into Y, I was refering to the fact that you are so autistic and stupid you have to start from scratch any idea so it doesn't get tained by having begun from some other process, because thats the only way you could be so stupid as to consistantly insist that you cant take the fetishes out of a character and still wind up with a character free of fetishes., and that its a stupid idea that always results in shit.
You are a moron, so stupid I would have to hold myself back from literally killing you if you where right in front of me right this second. You don't deserve to share the same air as anyone on this planet by virtue of how fucking retarded you are. Yes engines are designed from bombs you stupid shit. the whole idea of a piston revolves around gunpowder and canon fire. It's one part clockwork, one part bomb, one part distillery. that is what an engine is. so when you say "it's retarded to start with a bomb" you are factually wrong, because thats how they where fucking made. never mind the fact that I already explained in detail multiple times of how retarded and wrong you are. A character is a fucking character. you are always saving work if you start with an existing character than making a new one. its not ass backwards and takes you more effort for less reward. it shows you have a flexible mind instead of the brain of a 2 year old catapillar
>>47360613
Do you even understand what backpedaling is?
It's certainly not "disagreeing with the strawmanned version you conjured up."
And, you are, once again, missing the point. The complaint is against a "fetish-first" design process. You're here to say that it's possible to take a fetish-first character and to go through the effort of redesigning them, largely from the ground-up, into an actually decent character.
I'm here to say that what you're doing is a waste of time moving in a contradictory fashion, and you might as well be looking at characters that weren't designed fetish first. Your hope to say "there's nothing wrong with designing characters fetish first because they can be later redesigned to not be about that fetish" is ridiculous, because you seem to overlook, even when its been repeated again and again, that the superior method is "Just design a character without the fetish to begin with."
If you are so devoid of imagination and barren of inspiration that you need to resort to using your fetishes as the driving force for a character that you're ultimately going to strip of those fetishes, than you have issues that really can't be settled just with a kind-hearted stranger explaining how much of an idiot you are.
And no, engines were not designed to be bombs. You don't seem to understand what a bomb is. A bomb is something intended to explode, and that's not what an engine is. In fact, that's the last thing an engine wants to be. They use similar materials and technologies in some aspects, but the intended purpose makes the design for one completely contradictory to the other. That's also why we have electric engines that no longer use chemical combustion, because the intended purpose of an engine is not the same as that of a bomb.
You are literally the guy who thinks he can drive a car with a bomb instead of an engine. Why don't you do the world a favor and go try that?
>>47360613
>>47360334
Damn who pissed in you kids Juice boxes. Okay kiddos I'm going to explain some things to you mouthy kids.
It's the first session, we don't know what the personality of said character is yet, or how they were designed. We won't until play starts, so sit back and keep drinking your juice boxes kids, you don’t know half of what John Snow does at this point. So just cool your heels. Let's see how this goes for a session, if the character turns out to be bad a few fudged dice rolls and a reroll later you they have a better one.
Honestly a gm has bigger problems than this shit kids, so just finish your juice and go take a nap.
>>47360829
Well, I mean, technically what you're changing is the character's aspects and not their core.
You're not changing a human into a fire-breathing turtle, that'd be changing the core of the creature and all creatures like that would have to be like that (A new race of humans). Change a succubus from evil to good (demons are always evil) is changing their aspect because a demon can become good without all other demons of that race becoming good.
A fetish is an aspect, and can be removed from a character without warping everything around them. Logically speaking, if they get a fetish character who no longer has that fetish, but are still a good character, would they still be shit?
>>47361622
Good sir, while I am not >>47360829, may I direct you to the 5th Edition Player's Handbook, page 122:
>Alignment is an essential part of the nature of celestials and fiends. A devil does not choose to be Lawful Evil, and it doesn't tend toward Lawful Evil; rather, it is Lawful Evil in its essence. If it somehow ceased being Lawful Evil, it would cease being a devil.
>>47362662
Is there not a spell that shifts/reverses alignment?
Also I don't think we're discussing dnd specifically.
Also also, earlier they (both of them) talk about good succubi still being succubi. Whether that's in name or not, they're still succubi.
And if their alignment changed, what would they become? Celestials with the same stats?
>>47362769
Talking about D&D or not, that's how it works in those systems, so it was a rather poor choice of example.
>And if their alignment changed, what would they become?
I dunno. Fundamentally aligned beings like those aren't supposed to change alignment: if you're changing them, you're already playing under rule zero, so that would be entirely GM discretion.
>>47362855
Alright then, to change to another example, there's a character who is sympathetic and cool enough to be considered for character creation, but they're evil for whatever reason.
If you took them and made them good so you could play them, you have changed their aspect from evil to good. Are they now shit because they're good?
I didn't see more approtiate thread for session horror stories, and didn't feel this deserved a new one, but god damn I need to get this off my chest.
I joined in to my friends' 3.5 campaign, since one of the regulars couldn't make it in, and it's been a while since I played. Didn't take long for me to remember why I didn't like this DM's games too much few years back.
After the first encounter, where we fought two guards in narrow hallway before temple doors, he took 20 minutes to set up tiles and stuff to next area. That's where we ended up spending next five hours.
Right at start we encountered a group of two samurai, a ninja and half-fiend hexblade. After that it was pretty much non-stop fighting. Thankfully everybody else in party had told me to get healing items ready, and we ended up abusing wands whenever there was turns to spare.
The thing that made this so frustrating was that this DM is legit autistic. He builds each enemy individually as NPC, and usually makes them frustrating as possible to fight. High as fuck AC with skills that counter party, skills to more enemies and/or buff them and enemies having bunch of debuffs and/or curses on their attacks.
It started being more bearable near end when druid of the party started mass-summoning wolfs to keep enemies tripped and we did shit like lasso enemies to river and throw nets on them so that they couldn't move while being killed by AoPs(which the DM wasn't exactly pleased at).
But we were party of 5th level characters against group of 3 CR7, 1 CR5 and like 10 CR4 enemies. So couldn't really do much else.
Continuing in next post with some highlights from the session, what I can remember at least.
>>47363106
I wouldn't say so, not necessarily. It would probably depend a lot on character motivations, though -- "good" and "evil" is rarely as simple as flipping a switch. For example, loads of villains do bad things for ostensibly good reasons. In order to flip anything, you would have to alter the means by which they were comfortable with achieving their goals, which would almost certainly change the character in a very fundamental way.
The more I think about it the worse that example gets. It doesn't even work reliably even when you do take out the knot of converting the alignment of aligned beings. I'm not the guy you were arguing with anyway, though, so I don't know how he might feel.
>>47359034
>being a retard isn't a virtue.
That’s too bad for you.
Because, you are too angry to read and too angry to count.
You are so mad you’ve become a retard.
Cease the calamity in your mammary and stay with me here.
>>47358943
>>glad we agree
When I said this, I was responding to and referring to this:
>>47358761
>then okay, we'll use that definition of valid, even if it's not particularly useful.
Because aside from the “stuff he thinks it is” that he added, it *is* a valid method of making a character and he technically was conceding the point, if somewhat sarcastically.
(This, by the way, means he technically conceded the larger issue)
As for the greater issue y’all are gettin’ angry over?
You know, the one before you decided that arguing over how arguing was done was fun?
See
>>47358513
>I agree with this buttmad anon
You might be so angry now that you went illiterate, but you weren’t wrong.
Recycling a character is fine, even if you start with Goku and after the recycling process you end up with Wesley Wyndam-Pryce.
>>47359658
>Holy fuck. What happened to my thread?
Technically, we’re still discussing the OP’s issue, despite it being resolved in the first post.
>>47363192
So what you're saying is, a character is only as good as they are played to be and where the character comes from is less relevant than the enjoyment one gets from having that character in the campaign.
>>47363189
The case of hanging bridge
>Player A: "Alright, we got some of these enemies on the hanging bridge now! I'll cast warp wood on it and-"
>GM: "The necromancer had dispel readied, and your spell doesn't work!"
>Player B: "...That's alright, we can still break it. I'll attack the right side."
>GM: "The Necromancer sees what you're trying to do, and commands the undead to fall back immediate-"
>Player A: "They need to wait for their turn dude."
>GM: "Fine, Hopping Vampire and one Ghoul manages to fall back."
>Player C: "I change to my sword from bow and take AoP from the two skeletons, but I can get the bridge broken!"
>GM: "The undead make reflex saves.... and one of the ghouls jumps to safety. The rest fall few feet down and are prone in the mud."
>Player B: "...Few feet down?"
>GM: "Yeah, it's not too tall of a bridge, just going over a garden river."
>Player C: "Would've been nice to know! Why was that necromancer so set on not making them fall down?!"
The case of fishes
>Player D: "I'm going to attack the river with shocking grasp, now that the undead are in there anyway."
>GM: "What do you suppose range on that electricity is?"
>Player D: "Dunno, why?"
>GM: "You might kill the koi."
Case of healing enemies
>Player A: "That Necromancer is taking damage like a champ."
>Player B: "A real tank."
>GM: "...And then it heals itself, Cure Moderate Wounds. 40HP back."
Case of Soft Earth
>Player A: "I'll cast Soften Earth so he can't escape."
>Player D: "What's everything is in the affected area?"
>GM: "There's some soft ground near the river, and rocks and gravel on the side of buildings."
Case of tired players
>Player C: "We should probably quit after this fight."
>Player D: "Yeah, the Ranger player already got tired and went to bed, and everybody else's focus is kind of fading."
>GM: "We'll see what happens." ... "And the necromancer calls for help."
Oh hey continued again.
>>47363268
>(This, by the way, means he technically conceded the larger issue)
You seem to have failed to recognized the issues.
It's not a question of whether a person can somehow "fix" a bad character. That's never been the argument.
It's whether a character should be designed "fetish-first" under the intention that they will ultimately be fetish free. It's such a basic contradiction, that even just stating it reveals the inherent issues.
Recycling a character is fine, but the source IS important, with some sources better than others, and some sources significantly worse. If your instincts lead you to believe that you should be going to f-list of all places for character inspiration, can anyone really expect you to produce a character that isn't terrible, regardless of how much "recycling" you do? It's like trusting someone to cook you a tasty meal, and their first instinct is to head into the bathroom when looking for ingredients.
>>47363378
>Case of gear
Player D: "Who cares if you got Hopping Vampire Curse, we can just sell some of this loot when we get out of here.
>Player A: "If we get out."
>GM: "These guys don't really have too valuable gear, it's just they they have shitton of buffs."
Case of fun spells
>GM: "Then the miko Life Drains... Everybody on range takes damage and she heals that amount. Heh, this is a fun spell, it's from from Libris Mortis."
>Player B: "My familiar died."
Case of Hopping Vampires
>Player C: "What happens when your wolf becomes a Hopping Vampire?"
>Player A: "Then I let him go and get a new one. Wouldn't be the first time."
Granted, there was fun bits at the end too. Like the aforementioned Onis and samurais rolling in the river in nets, and wolfs tripping everybody, but god damn.
Sorry again for posting this. But I just had to get it out.
>>47363357
I don't think that's what I was saying at all, but sure, whatever. Sounds fine to me.
Don't care. Ask he found it. Possibly fap to it. What's f-list?
>>47350494
>tfw the GM does it so he can kill the female later on.
>>47350742
>>47350733
I don't care if you guys are neckbeards. That was cute, Go make Gay Yuri babah's for us to shit post with later!
i will never cease to be amazed by the weirdly disproportionate number of roleplaying dudes who are gay and/or want to be a chick
>>47363453
>You seem to have failed to recognized the issues.
Well, there was a lot of shitty arguing in the way so can you blame me?
Okay, you are right that I was mistaken over which issue was conceded.
>It's not a question of whether a person can somehow "fix" a bad character. That's never been the argument.
It’s been *an* argument.
Citing >>47356147
>better off if you had simply abandoned it and started fresh with an appropriate direction in mind.
This anon seems intent on the idea that character generation cannot begin with deconstructing a preexisting character, and that’s when that argument became central.
This is the point conceded when they admitted it was “…valid”.
Next I will address the core question with far too many words.
>>47364383
>>47363453
The core question:
>It's whether a character should be designed "fetish-first" under the intention that they will ultimately be fetish free.
Should can mean badwrongfun
Let’s rephrase it.
>Can a character successfully be designed "fetish-first" under the intention that they will ultimately be fetish free?
Yes; if the character is sufficiently changed from the fetish material.
(Not the case in OP, as it was just: Fetish Character – Fetish = Character)
Or,
Yes; if the character has the fetish elements removed and is played by another player.
(Also not in OP & assumes the new char is not the new player’s fetish)
Or,
No; if the character still acts like a fetish character, regardless of their sheet.
Or,
No, but effectively yes; if the player makes every effort to remove all traces of fetish from the character, never approaches the fetish aspects of it, and never reveals the fetish aspect of the character, then it becomes as innocuous as a Brother Grimm’s character in a Disney film.
This makes it *effectively* fetish free as a Secret Fetish, which is no different than any other player.
You could use premade chars and have every player masturbating to their character. Or the tile pattern of the game room floor.
Far, far too many words.
>>47364408
>>47363453
> the source IS important
No, it only influences what actually IS important: the resulting character and the player’s ability to successfully keep the fetish to themselves.
>If your instincts lead you to believe that you should be going to f-list for character inspiration
You are presuming some here.
It’s a source that’s a red flag, but until you fully understand the player’s reasoning or give them a chance to not be creepy, you don’t know.
Reacting so severely to the source, and this idea that fetishes permanently contaminate it, invite questions about your own bias.
Would you ban a proxy of a famous character if you (through no fault of theirs) discovered their player secretly loved fetish fan fiction of it?
If so, imagine you hadn’t discovered it, how fair would the ban be then?
If not, other than being less “creative”, how is it any different?
Both scenarios have the player envisioning a fetish version of the fetish-free character they are playing.
TL;DR: A secret fetish that doesn’t affect anyone isn’t a problem and treating it like it is, is premature panicking at best.
>>47350801
underrated
>>47364368
It's the Prison/Nerd Gay principle in action, the exact same reason why there are so many gay furries and bronies.
But it's totally an alternative sexuality, and not just a jumped-up fetish bred from the combined sexual desperation of guys who can't get any vag.
>>47364450
>>47364368
>i will never cease to be amazed by the weirdly disproportionate number of roleplaying dudes who are gay and/or want to be a chick
On a somewhat related note, it took me an absurdly long time to figure out why there was a larger transgendered presence here than any other rpg forum I had gone to.
>>47364450
don't get me wrong, ain't nothing wrong with the gays and the transgirls
it's just weird how tabletop has so many more of them than seemingly any community I've ever seen save ones explicitly focused on LGBT
>>47358499
>Imply Sailor Moon isn't considered the ur-example for lesbian magical girls.
>>47358307
>not liking lesbians
What the fuck kind of faggot are you?
>>47364585
i prefer girls that want to be broken in by my dick. lesbians are boring
>>47353463
>>47353587
Its a rose mate. Dark on fucking Dark was retarded and the photo was taken without much light it seems.
>>47364486
They're not transgender, they just have a fetish for wanting to be a little girl. See: Stefonknee Wolscht
>>47364488
>don't get me wrong, ain't nothing wrong with the gays and the transgirls
Debatable. The push for special snowflake, far leftwing shit to be forced into even settings like 40k is annoying as fuck.
>it's just weird how tabletop has so many more of them than seemingly any community I've ever seen save ones explicitly focused on LGBT
An outcast hobby labeled as being for nerds by mainstream society attracts people who would fit that description: the aforementioned desperate men, alongside the mentally ill who feel gender dysphoria.
>>47364585
>>47364643
>implying there's a difference
>>47349622
Consider that the informant is likely to have those fetishes, if he is the one who found it, and kick him out for being a degenerate fuck.
>>47355119
Not him but when you make a character whose sole reason for existing is to satisfy your own kink and you bring that shit into a group that wasn't planning on having that sort of campaign, it tends to either make one-dimensional characters that only exist because porn or characters that clash heavily with the rest of the party in a way that ends up becoming a distraction.
For example, building a character around them being a dominatrix is fine to a point but even when it's done in a "subtle" or "tasteful" way, everyone at the table is going to always, in the back of their mind, go "we have a fucking dominatrix in our X campaign," which gets pretty obnoxious after the joke runs thin and the party wants to start becoming serious.
