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>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
Do your worst.
>>47293880
Can you post one withoutLion's spotfilled in?
For Grey Knights
>Grand Master
B-
>Brother Captain
C
>Librarian
A
>Brotherhood Champion
C-
>Techmarine
C
>Paladins
C
>Purifiers
B
>Dreadnought
D-
>Terminators
B+
>Strike Squad
D-
>Interceptors
B-
>Stormraven
B+
>Razorback
C-
>Rhino
B+
>Purgation Squad
C-
>Nemesis Dreadknight
A+
>Landraiders (all variants)
C+
>Draigo
B+
>Crowe
D+
>Stern
C-
>>47293898
Do it
>>47293863
It's been forever since I've played Guard and Black Templars. What's changed recently?
>>47293447
How do you make Nobz not a D- unit? Nobz seem too pricey to do anything other than 'eavy armor and big choppas and even then they're only good at mulching anything short of power armor and medium vehicles.
>>47294146
black templars got VANILLA'd. they lost their relics, vows, and got put in the vanilla book
guard are the same as ever, minus some characters and more tanks
>>47294204
Oh....
Is there anything that resembles good news?
>>47294231
>Is there anything that resembles good news?
the vanilla space marine dex is tippity top tier.
>>47293880
Newer Player.
Not sure if I got Fulgrim right but I haven't read much loyalist fluff.
Just the basic story line and a few specific primarchs when I was looking for my first army.
>>47294231
for black templars? they got all the benefits of being in the vanilla book which means formations though they can't use crusade squads in them or the new psychic powers. but hey you get flyers and your own warlord table. oh also they don't hate psykers now, just distrust them and they are officially only 1k marines like other chapters
>>47294259
>sanguinius
>moroe
I mean hes pretty but wouldnt fabio be better?
>>47294322
>fabio
I just new he was a blonde pretty boy, I dont know any names of actual ones. Already had her on my computer.
>>47294259
Mostly spot-on. Fulgrim needs to be prettier though, and I don't get Angron. And can you fill in the rest?
>>47294175
Give them at-initiative weapons, like so:
bitly/OrksPDF
They get to swing at i5 on the charge unless they take PKs; part of their worthlessness is that they don't have more than 2 weapons, so problem eliminated. They also got 20 point bikes.
>>47294322
No, Fabio is clearly the Emperor. Haven't you seen how he can multiclass?
Anyone have experience with Eldar Corsair? What units are good? I read the 1d4chan tactics but still have some questions.
Like what weapons are the best?
What are the Voidstorm Bands for?
Is the Malevolent Band good?
I'm still pretty new to the game.
>>47294375
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20%5BSpace%20Odin%5D%282016%29.pdf?dl=0
FFS, bitly, get your shit together.
>>47294380
I do see the resemblance there...
>>47294375
Oh trust me I know about the Ork fandex, I love that thing. But not everyone is okay playing against homebrew. I'd just run the bastards with Big choppas 'Eavy Armor and rend everything to death.
>>47294386
cloud dancers are amazing
reavers are good
balestrike are downright nasty with dark lances, hornets with kinetic shrouds are straight up aids in the butt
voidstorms are the unit of all felarchs right? if so, they're decent as bodyguard for your prince with a baron
malevolent bands are dogshit sadly
>>47294361
Probably not without research.
i know Khan is the biker
I just remember Fulgrim being a more emo Sanguinus and kinda vampy too
Ferrus is a steel gate if rogal is a yellow wall
Either Mort or Pert are the smith guy
Corax doesnt even sound familiar
Couldnt tell you about Lorgar either.
I guess I got Angron wrong, I thought one of the bad ones turned to nurgle so kind of took a shot. Remember him being discribed as smelly and someone had a hilarious screen cap of an adventure that made me laugh.
Who am I thinking of? Maybe it wasnt a primarch.
>>47294412
Glad to hear it; another Ork player in my own group said she would never use homebrew, but really, most of this thing was bringing back good ideas & balance that had been torn away. They have to be tired of watching you run MegaStikk Bosses, Mek Gunz, & Grots.
>>47294422
Why are Malevolents dogshit?
Also how to kit the Voidstorms (Felarch Group)
And is the Eldar Missile Launcher any good on Balestrike?
>>47294435
>Either Mort or Pert are the smith guy
Pert is, yes.
>Corax doesnt even sound familiarsmol birb
>Couldnt tell you about Lorgar either.
Some douche who fucked everything up for everyone.
>I guess I got Angron wrong, I thought one of the bad ones turned to nurgle so kind of took a shot. Remember him being discribed as smelly and someone had a hilarious screen cap of an adventure that made me laugh.
>Who am I thinking of? Maybe it wasnt a primarch.
You're thinking of Mortarion, literally no one cares about him though so it's an easy mistake to make.
Angron is... well, the name says it all, really.
>>47294435
Vulkan, Ferrus, and Fulgrim were smiths, though Vulkan was the most well-known, iirc.
Angron was the agnry one.
Lorgar was the one who loved religion and was unhappy when he was told it was bad, mmkay?
Corax is the goodguy ninjabatman.
Mort is the creepy anti-psyker poisonfreak.
Pert is the WWI send troops at them till it dies guy.
Ferrus has metal hands from wrestling a dragon atop a volcano.
Fulgrim was evil perfectionist Sanguinius.
All the others are correct.
>>47294259
If you are reading any fluff ever than your Lion choice was just a meme you saw at the start of the thread.
Two Face, maybe even an idiot or someone sleeping.
If you made vulkan a negative colour of what you have their it would be more accurate.
>>47294435
Jaghatai Khan is Genghis Khan in space, Ferrus Manus is the Terminator, and Angron is a typical metal band screamer guy.
reminder that tau players have actual problems with AV because they have a hard enough time as it is remembering how Toughness works
>>47294464
I'm all for it but I'll have to see how players around me feel about it. I'm hype to run the Red Sunz Motakayde and play Mad Morkz: The Army
Though I understand the need for speed, does the wording for infantry needing bikes/transports conflict with taking Stormboyz?
>>47294465
prince with reaper of the outer dark and void sabre, baron and felarchs all get jetbikes, and then shadow fields and venom blades on the felarchs, use them to soak wounds for your prince so he can actually make it into CC.
eml is pretty lame all around, dark lance is better for sure
malevolents are expensive, only t3 so tons of things ID them and cant take transports
>>47294375
I just find it weird that you gave nobs a 5 point discount on their weapons but also bumped their base cost 5 points too
Does anyone have the short story of some dude who went tratior with Mortarion and kept a log of how smelly he was?
>>47294503
>smol birb
wut
Also thanks for understanding who I meant by the smelly guy
>>47294507
>were smiths
Went and checked and Perturabo was a super smith:
"sometimes called the Lord of Iron (known also as The Breaker and The Hammer of Olympia) is the Primarch of the Iron Warriors Traitor Legion"
>>47294509
>Lion choice
Is this picture better?
>>47294513
Yeah thats how I remember Khan
>>47294549
Cool, Thanks for the tips. Makes sense.
>>47294568
>Perturabo was a super smith
...No
Pert just hit people with a hammer.
>>47294584
he did craft some pretty good stuff and was known for building good forts but he's overshadowed by the others. i believe his armor is way better
hell if someone had hugged him and told him he was doing a good job he probably wouldn't have turned
>>47294568
Corax's whole deal is being Caw Caw the Sneaki Cheeki Breeki. It's pretty obvious he has some type of bird fetish. "Corvus Corax" is in fact the scientific name for the common crow and literally translates to Raven Raven.Also his last known words were "Nevermore..."
And Pert is more of an engineer/architect than a smith. I'm retarded, forgive me.
>>47294601
>>47294610
I was talking about names for people but Storm is overused. As for the brother thing Marines are brothers.
>>47294584
while he wasnt as expert as ferrus manus or vulkan at crafting things, he did make some incredibly intricate and beuatiful things, and that was his dream life, but he was forced into turning his skills towards perpetual warfare
>>47294681
I don't think they write enough fluff to reuse a ton of names...
>>47294686
He forced himself to do it. He was too fatalistic and paranoia was in his geneseed.
>>47294705
How many times have you seen the name Lucius popped up in the fluff?
How can I make my Carcharodons more Khornate? The goal is to not be super obvious about it, but have keen observers go "hey, your army is secretly corrupted by Khorne, isn't it?".
I already have
- Lots of blood splatter
- All squads in numbers of 8
- All squads have a CCW
- Some chainswords have been replaced with axes
Would having bare left arms be too obvious?
>>47294746
>Charcarodons
>Khornate.
Pick one. The Space Sharks are pure! PURE!
>>47294746
Being too much of a pansy who can't even kill mold in the basement anymore. Who has that picture?
>>47294746
How are bare left arms khornate?
>>47294746
Take a symbol of khorne that's small, but not too small. Divide it Into 8 pieces, embellish 8 characters/vehicles with a piece of it.
Adding to >>47294839
Cut up a Khorne or even chaos transfer and apply the parts on characters/vehicles
>>47294803
maybe some dickhead named KHARN
Not countin' da zoggin' tabletop, Orks iz still da best, roight?
R..roight lads? You 'av'n't gone and mucked about wiv anutha bunch a lads, 'ave ya?
>>47294911
I had my inner Ork awakened playing Battlefleet Gothic.
>two Imperial cruisers left
>one was nearly dead
>my battleship had a grot for a captain and the git left me for dead
>only had one escort left
>still fought on until the end
>>47294911
>Ork bro says we should play our bikes against eachother
>He is bringing 27 backed up by 20 boyz in a wagon and Gretchin and some Mek Gunz
>"You only won because my codex is so weak, good game though"
I told that faggot my termis would be a better game, but no a bike v bike game would be fun he said.
Retard.
>Do my Ravenwing face
>>47294746
Model some skulls on the bases
So has the rest of the Bequin trilogy just been totally shitcanned at this point?
It's been almost 4 years and we've heard absolutely no news that I know of.
What is Dan Abnett doing right now? I saw that copies of Warmaster were going for several hundred dollars apiece on Amazon for a while but now it's nowhere to be found online.
tha fuck is going on?
>>47294990
How horrible that he wanted to have some fun playing Mad Max on the tabletop
>>47295034
If that is what you took from that story, you are dumb too.
After I warned him that my Ravenwing would be too strong he said nah and turned down my terminator list (which I prefer to bring against Orks/Nids/CSM) so they have a chance. He denied and we play our bikes v bikes, and he concedes turn 4 and blames it all on his codex.
So if they win they are tactical geniuses, but if they lost its the books fault. That is what pisses me off. Tyranids are the exact same way even if they are spamming big bugs.
>>47295030
Isn't he an epileptic or had a seizure at one point? I can't remember. I think he's slowly losing interest in 40k, and being not being able to write what he wants to write has taken its toll.
>>47295066
sounds really tough having to be the good guy
>>47295018
Is this too Khorney?
>FAQ says you can't take battle brothers transport
>Rule book says you can
Why?
>>47295103
I'm offended that you dare to call that too Khorney. Anon, if it's not flaming goat raping axe skull flails, and blood skull murder wrath axes you're doing it wrong.
>>47295112
A lot of those FAQs do that. It's retarded. They FAQ shit that didn't even need FAQs, just to make the rules more confusing or to completely contradict rules everyone was fine with and understood.
See also, grenades in melee, then the new FAQ treating them as thrown grenades in shooting.
>>47295124
>40k
>no goat rape
If you can even CALL that 40k.
>>47295145
I haven't seen Khârn tossing flaming axes that being raped by goats made of skulls and flails before sue me.
>>47295112
>tfw the FAQ fucked my admech tourney list
>tfw I now my T: 3 units are getting slaughtered because they have to foot slog across the battle field with 18 inch guns
I should just switch to KDK or Necrons
>>47295112
>after careful analysis, it turned out to be a bad decision. Besides only marines should have drop pods.
>>47295181
Don't worry. In 5 short months you can get access to Mechanium stuff such as their motor pool.
>>47295181
I don't give a shit about War Convocation faglords getting a nerf, but I think it's bullshit for any player, even the cheeselords, to buy hundreds of dollars of Drop Pods or something and then have it be invalidated.
That's some bullshit right there.
>>47294568
I think this is what you want
>>47295073
No idea about the epileptic/seizure thing.
I thought 40k was his thing though. I suppose it would get old after writing 30+ novels for the series but if he is indeed getting tired of it I sure wish he would have wrapped it up rather than just leaving it all hanging.
Gaunt is left trying to incite a civil war between the allied Chaos factions in the Sabbat Worlds, Bequin is left being kidnapped by a Daemon Prince turned Daemonhost controlled by an Inquisitor who's fallen off the deep end, we need some goddamned closure.
Are MANZ worth footslogging? I was going to bring one for my killteam campaign, i need the powerklaw they provide on a sturdier(and less expensive) base than a regular nob but the slow and purposeful feels like too much
>>47295292
Get a deff dread, they can run at least
>>47295236
We just have to wait for the stars to allign.
>>47291138
>this moron actually thinks RAW > RAI
>thinks it's funny that people with enough brains to spot RAW inconsistencies, mistakes, and obviously unintended RAI
How's THIS for preservation, faggot?
Cataphractii Captain can ride bikes and can't take any weapons by RAW.
>>47295311
Its HoR, deff dreads have too much AV. I could bring a kan but the poor weaponskill and number of attacks isnt promising
>>47295351
Take a minimum squad of bikers with a klawnob in it. Decently survivable and will actually get somewhere
>>47295338
>Cataphractii Captain can ride bikes
I still want to see that.
>>47295406
Scibor makes awesome looking Terminator sized bikes. Great for those IH faggots who play the fully upgraded chapter master with the retarded meme name.
>>47294773
>mfw I'll never make my ally SM army, half Flesh Tearers, half Space Sharks
I want equal points on each side. But I think Seth and Tyberos are differently priced due to Tyberos being in termy.
>>47295381
Im going to sound autistic here but i fucking hate bikes. They look dumb, i refuse to use them. You did answer my question though, dont footslog them.
Why are CSM so shit, /tg/?
>>47295112
You can't start the game embarked on your BB transport, you can though embark rhinos during your movement phase and then the rhino, they cut out the drop pod taxi shenanigans though, wich is good since it's supposed only SM can survive that atmospheric re entry.
>>47295200
Wait, IA14 is out in October?
Awesome. Macrolid or whatever it's called is the Rhino of the Ad Mech, right? The one that looks like a train is the Land Raider transport, right?
>>47295443
>mfw I play those armies
I just treat them as two separate armies. You can still ally they just have to be kept away from each other.
I'm going to start Minotaurs next.
>>47295451
Hey at least they aren't tyranids, orkz or dark eldars, those armies truly suck.
>>47295446
Same here. The FW bikes look cool but I don't want to buy the models and I'd still hate fielding them. I wish I could be viable with just basic infantry and maybe some Rhinos. None of this Imperial Knight, flyer, psyker, cavalry, bike bullshit. Back in the day when guys like Abaddon, Calgar, and Mephiston were actually some of the best units in the game.
>>47295112
Because gw can never admit they're wrong, so rather than just admit they fucked up and made war convo way too strong and then nerfing it, they had to stealth nerf it by "clarifying" the rules, and thus fuck over tons of people who were using drop pods, many of whom weren't even running war convo.
>>47295451
Because they're a 5th edition book and it's 7th edition.
I wish people realised that you gain NOTHING by moaning on /tg/.
If you want change, write an email and send it to GW's rule department.
[email protected]
Here. There is the email. They won't reply, but write a well reasoned and 'balanced' dex and explain why X or Y is good and you might get somewhere.
>>47295467
tfw ork player
why does GW hate orks?
>>47295454
>to counter 1 transport they fuck up all kinds of transport for everyone else
>>47295482
CSM are 6E. The first 6E book I think, and currently the oldest.
From a time where GW said "you know what, we're going to NERF this army when it gets updated instead of making them stronger than 5E SW/IG/Necrons/GK, because our plan is to balance the game!" Then they give up once it's time to get Tau/Eldar release.
Saaaame thing happened in 7E. See Dark Eldar, Blood Angels, etc.
That's why whenever GW nerfs an army, I call them on their bullshit but faggots just go "hurrr do you want more Eldar OP stuff it's good they're nerfing people". Except GW NEVER NERFS EVERYONE, THEY ALWAYS GIVE UP HALFWAY THROUGH, AND ELDAR AND TAU JUST GET NUMEROUS BUFFS IN A ROW.
>>47295451
ruleswise or fluffwise ?
>>47295423
I'll use it for some Tau defectors.
>>47295451
Everything is slightly overcosted while not feeling very fluffy either. That's literally it.
>>47295460
Lucky git.
I was thinking of, like
Seth/Tyberos
Sanguinary Guard/Honour Guard/Termy CS
10 Tacticals
10 Death Company/5 Ass Terms
20 Assault
2 Rhinos Each
Or something like that. I liked the idea of a carnage fight off. Each side trying to out do each other. Space Sharks go insane and smash shit while Flesh Tearers temper the rage.
Difficult when they're both different. Trying to think of a points balanced side for each. 750 each. But I want Seth and Tyberos leading them.
Seth wrecks GEQ's with that sword. He does like 6+D3 attacks on charge, but it's only AP4.
>>47295524
You must be a Flamer of Tzeentch cause that was a sick burn.
>>47295493
Because they convert things instead of buying shiny new kits.
>>47295514
True. As I said, contact them and suggest stuff. Only way I can think of fixing the problem.
>>47295454
Except that skitmech troops are fluffed as inhuman tin men, so that argument doesn't really hold up.
Sm players were just assblasted because droppodding admech was more effective, and everyone else was mad cause war convo was too good.
>>47295467
>Tyranids suck
Where does this meme come from?
I play nids and usually win against admech, sm and necron players
My list consists of 3 flyrant and a venomthrope giving shrouded to a living artillery node in ruins though
>>47295540
Then why did they make the new Flash Gitz, Gorkanaught and the flyer?
They're obviously popular, even AoS shit is good and can be used in 40k. Maybe they think Ork players don't give a shit about the rules and are happy to model. Fuck knows.
>>47295531
Just remember that they're Desperate Allies due to Shark Tactics!
>>47295541
They're not going to do anything because the reason this problem exists is they literally just let the devs do what they like.
Until sales fall drastically, they're not going to go "Okay you guys, change the way you do everything, we're going to start hiring actual system devs and playtesters and compartmentalize the rules production". They're making money just by letting the writers do what they like when they like, so there's no reason to change that.
>>47295554
Whenever someone says Tyranids suck, just read it with a little annotation that says 'if you don't spam Flyrants'
Flyrants are great, but a list without them is very low down. Probably not the worst, but still low tier.
>>47295554
What they really mean is X armies suck [if you don't use their one good build/spam their one good unit].
Try again without Flyrants and see how well you do against Necron Decurion, non-FAQ War Convocation AdMech, and Gravstar psychic Space Marines/Battle Company.
Protip: You'll be raped even with Flyrants unless your opponents are retarded.
>>47295564
That's 6th edition, thus 7th edition overrides that rule, making them Battle Brothers :^)
Same shit with Red Hunters being Battle Brothers with SoB, GK and Inquisition. That's old.
I suspect an update whenever FW get round to merging Badab War.
But they're too busy making Chapter Master Culln of the Red Scorpions into a unique Dread.
>>47295575
That's the thing. I think they ARE looking into rule shit. That's why FAQ is being drafted.
But, as I said, if you at least give them information, it could result in change. But part of me thinks that if Nids, CSM and Orks got a Top Tier codex they would moan anyway or, hate not being able to moan.
>>47295652
>thus 7th edition overrides that rule, making them Battle Brothers :^)
Codex always overrides main rulebook.
>>47295584
Isn't the Venomthrope formation in Shield of Baal pretty neat? Same with Neurothrope?
>>47295661
The only good formation is Skyblight and Living Artillery. And I don't even know if they're good anymore.
Venomthrope formation was never good, ever, even when Tyranids weren't as shitty as they are now or had to compete with new OP shit like 7E Tau, 7E Eldar, AdMech, 7E C:SM, Knights, psychic phase, etc.
>>47295660
It isn't a codex. It's a .pdf on Forge World.
an annoying co worker found out I play with plastic army men and now he keeps insisting I show him pictures of my miniatures.
Is he plotting to spread it throughout the office and make fun of me? Regardless, if I give him a picture I had better take one that will not turn up in a reverse image search... don't want to lead him to the rest of my models.
He's pretty much as normie as it gets and goes on every day about how great UFC is and how only nerds wouldn't find it interesting.
>>47295514
Because very few people would buy Eldar kits if they werent so powerful on the tabletop.
Tau get awesome and powerful rules (and BL plot armor) because those giant mecha kits are a goldmine, and they are riding that gravy train hard.
I think theyve finally reached a point where there are as many people fed up with the bullshit as there are people willing to continue supporting this game.
How many Stormbirds do chapters have? The books mention how many Thunderhawks an army has, but nothing else (that size). Example, BA have 36 Thunderhawk Gunships and 3 Thunderhawk Transporters. But nothing on Stormbirds or Fire Raptors.
Unless Stormbirds don't exist in 40k? If not, Fire Raptors? Aren't they bigger than Storm Ravens?
For Tau
>Fire Warriors
A
>Breachers
B+
>Kroot
C+
>Crisis Suits
A
>Stealth Suits
B
>Riptide
A+
>Hammerhead
A-
>Sniper Drones
C+
>Skyray
B+
>XV88
B
>Vespid
B-
>Pathfinders
B
>Devilfish
B
>Piranhas
C+
>Stormsurge
A++
>>47295705
dont be such a fucking frogposter, people arent out to shit on you like its high school you stupid faggot
if he's interested, show him a few pictures
>>47295707
There is 35 unique IP's in this thread. Even if every single person in this thread was 'fed up with the bullshit', it wouldn't be a dent.
But, even if you buy from recasters, the fact you're playing the game is advertisment. If you're truly fed up with 40k, quit playing. It really is that simple. Infinity or Warmahordes have fun models (I like Warmahordes stuff and like T&A Infinity).
Just quit, come back if it gets better. You just get bitter and nothing is fun. Take a break.
Or not, whatever.
>>47295705
Being ashamed of table top games ended 10 years ago.
>>47295707
>GW IS GOING BANKRUPT. THE FANS ARE FINALLY FED UP! THIS IS FINALLY IT.
t. Weekly shit poster since time immoral.
>>47295705
I'm 6ft 4", not fat, no neckbeard and I like girls. I also like 40k.
Surprisingly, people can be interested in things.
Have you ever thought he is 'normie' because he's worried about being ostracised for playing with army men? Have you ever thought he might want to join in and have a FRIEND to play with? Have you ever thought he has never had the courage to go into GW or a FLGS and start modelling cause he's embarrassed or doesn't want to get swindled or some shit?
Just show him a fucking picture, if he likes it, then ask him if he wants to do a box of models with you to see if he likes it, do it on your work break. If he goes "Nah" just go "Okay, that's cool, if you change you mind, just ask".
If he spreads it round, call him out on it and ask why he did it. If he calls you a nerd or some shit, just dismiss him, walk away and never interact with him again, or if you're vindictive or really annoyed, report him for insulting you.
SJW world we live in works both ways.
Jesus Christ anon, you're the stereotype that stops people getting into modelling. The fact X-Wing is doing well shows it's becoming more 'acceptable'.
>>47295797
>But, even if you buy from recasters, the fact you're playing the game is advertisment. If you're truly fed up with 40k, quit playing. It really is that simple.
Ugh, finally someone else smart enough to realize this concept.
>>47293863
>Failing Grades Edition
>Chaos Lord
B-
>Sorcerer
B
>Warpsmith
D+
>Dark Apostle
D+
>Daemonprince
B+
>Chosen
D+
>Mutilators
See me after class
>Helbrute
D
>Chaos Terminators
C+
>Thousand Sons
F
>Khorne Berserkers
D-
>Plague Marines
C
>Noise Marines
C+
>Possessed
D
>Chaos Space Marines
C
>Cultists
B
>Raptors
C-
>Warp Talons
D
>Heldrake
A-
>Chaos Bikers
B+
>Spawn
B+
>Defiler
D-
>Maulerfiend
B-
>Forgefiend
B+
>Predator
B
>Vindicator
C
>Land Raider
C-
>Overall grade
C-
Get your shit together Abby you used to be at the top of the class now you only barely pass
>>47295775
Don't know if Stormbirds exist in 40k. Fire Raptors are very, very rare. So rare that you can only use one per army, and if you want to use more, you need the head honcho of your relics on the battlefield. Only the richest of the rich chapters like Minotaurs who have unlimited gear can swagger around with multiple Fire Hawks.
Fire Raptors are larger than Stormravens. They are Storm Eagle variants, not Stormraven variants.
I just had a thought guys.
Remember when Lord of the Rings came out and GW made a line of minis and a really really awesome game to go with it? Like their most balanced game system? Do you remember New Line Cinema fucking them over going "We want them sub-28mm so people don't get confused" so all the awesome minis didn't sell that great?
What if Games Workshop makes models for the Warcraft film like they did for LOTR and release a new game system for it as well?
>>47295775
Space Marines get Mantas now?
>>47295687
The PDF is an update of Imperial Armour 10. And it STILL overrides the 7E main rulebook, you pedantic autist.
>>47295843
>The fact X-Wing is doing well shows it's becoming more 'acceptable'.
X-Wing doesn't count, because Star Wars and Star Trek are normal now. Same reason weeaboo card games with sluts in panties on the cards aren't as socially acceptable as M:tG.
>>47295894
>IRL book of grudges
Found the dwarf.
>>47295863
I have no idea why the 2nd best Vendicator variant is a C.
>>47295864
No, Stormbirds don't really exist in 40k at this time. Although presumably Forgeworld might make a re-release someday of Imperial Armour 2 that would include rules for using the Sokar Stormbird in 40k.
>>47295880
It's only in 30k, and as a Lord of War choice for Legio Astartes. It's all fun and games until you realize the Sokar sports 6 Nuclear Missiles and 2 Void Shields as it's primary armament.
>>47295843
>>47295798
>>47295790
in the past he has berated my choice of hobbies at every opportunity why would he show interest now?
today he sent me a link to a documentary of some autistic guy who spent ten years building a 1/5th scale historical diorama and then asked if I had autism
>>47295880
It's a thunderhawk, you fuckwhistle.
>>47295919
no, its a sokaar pattern stormbird and a thunderhawk you shit-blender
>>47295919
The plane on the right is not a Thunderhawk. The plane on the Left is a Thunderhawk
That plane on the right is a Sokar Stormbird, which was the Great-crusade era predecessor to the Thunderhawk.
>>47295864
Oh I know it was a variant on Storm Eagles and not Storm Raven, but I wasn't sure if they existed.
Where do these rules appear in? I remember reading about the relic shit, but I dunno what book it is in.
If only one is available (or maybe they're too valuable to use more than one?) then that's OK. I assume the same for Storm Eagle.
Also I love Moloc, but I find them a bit dodgy to like. It's annoying they get all the good gear.
Blood Angels only have the most Land Raiders. DA have most Termy suits.
>>47295510
>My imperial super friends aren't so super anymore
>plz kill me, i cri evritime
>>47295911
the vindicator in general is just kind of a problem unit and it is really easy to mitigate the threat or avoid it entirely
but it still is very destructive and has very good front armor, so it passes. Might not excel, but it passes.
>>47295916
Then report him for harassment, this sounds like
>Things That Never Happened: The Post
but whatever, report him to your boss.
>>47295863
forgot
>Havocs
B+
Could be a solid A if they could be given gravguns and/or gravcannons
>>47295916
Are you a fucking woman?
It's called banter. Find something, anything to make fun of him for. It's back and forth, you're making yourself a victim by not striking back. Maybe you are autistic.
>>47295785
>Kroot, sniper drones, piranhas C+
>Hammer head better than sky ray
>Missile-on-missile-on-missile broadsides B
F-, see me after the class.
Destroyer Array Vindicator; better or worse than the Demolisher cannon one?
I say it is worse if you want to mulch troops and S10 AP2 will do in most transports.
>>47295915
>Guy who wasn't a cunt about an Imperial flyer being compared to an infamous Tau model
>>47295863
Zombies: B+/A-
Be'lakor: A
Unfortunately you can't just spam zombies and call it a day as they don't do anything offensive wise and you sacrifice an HQ slot for the mediocre Typhus.
>>47295993
completely different purpose
the demolisher exists to pound heavy infantry into the dust and do the occasional anti-infantry work.
the laser destroyer is the 40k equivalent of a STUG, it wants to stay immobile so it can fire all 3 shots and hopefully kill whatever it fires at in one go
>>47295982
Kroot are a fine unit on their own, they just don't work well with others
B+ on their homework and tests
but on group projects they do almost nothing
>>47295916
>>47295974
No, no, no. What you do is go to an MMA gym, learn to fight, and beat his ass with the martial arts he's so fond of. Then, when the inmates ask you what you're in for, you can say "I killed this fool for making fun of my dolls."
>>47295993
It's a Rapier Battery combined into a single unit. Ordnance 3 Twin-linked, S9 AP1 Pseudo-Gets-Hot. While it is an unholy rape-machine against vehicles, you're better off taking an actual battery of 3 Rapiers with Laser Destroyers..
For reference, Laser Destroyer Rapiers have Ordnance 1 S9 AP1 Twin-Linked. But a battery of 3 of them has the advantage of Chapter Tactics, 6 goons enjoying toughness 7 3+, with actual ability to take cover saves, and presumably a librarian rolling up either Shrouded or Endurance to give them a 4+ feel no pain on T7 with Relentless.
>>47295982
The Hammerhead Ion Cannon is underrated and far better than the Memeray.
Broadsides are good but and S7 is good but AP4 isn't something to write home about.
Kroot are an excuse to make point elsewhere, other than being a human wave they're unimpressive. Sniper drones are the best snipers in the game, too bad snipers arent versatile at all, Piranhas are just AV11 walls.
>>47295785
FW: B+
Breachers: C-
Kroot: A
Crisis Suits: A+
Stealth Suits: B-
Riptide: A
Hammerhead: B+
Sniper Drones: Lol
Skyray: B+
Broadside: A-
Vespid: B-
Pathfinders: C
Devilfish: C-
Piranhas: B+
Stormsurge: S
Piranhas and Kroot are good units. They just aren't netlist top picks. Piranhas have a recycling drone formation now and were always a good cheap source of drones and a cheap way to get 3 fast skimmers that can completely blockade and immobilize/prevent disembarks of transports. Kroot are a mandatory one of squad for sniper access, cheap disposable bodies, and cheap Infiltrate that can re-roll outflank with a 5 point hound or off a suit's Positional Relay.
Just imagine being able to call in a load of Kroot from any Riptide or XV8 that's in danger, on any board edge.
Tau also have some great FW units.
>>47296027
Seems neat. I just liked the model. Thanks.
>>47296010
Model seemed neat, was just wondering.
>>47295992
The guy is whimpering liek a faggot so I told him to go fucking do that if he's so pissed off. Jesus fuck anon.
>cuck
Oh, another underage shitposter who only learnt the world 2 years ago on 4chan.
>>47296027
>It's a Rapier Battery combined into a single unit.
It's better to have three artillery units than one Vindicator chassis. The real reason you take this unit is because it's THE MOST FUCKING BADASS LOOKING TANK IN THE GAME
>>47295510
>webway portal crossing raider with Dflamers was totally balanced guys
I for one I'm thankful for this changes.
>>47296021
I told him I took a beginner's aikido course in college for PE credit and he made fun of me because "it isn't a real martian art" and showed me some video of some mma guy punching "an aikido master."
When I was in school I needed two PE classes to graduate and that course had space. I told him I didn't really care and he insisted I was upset because I "got rekt"
The culture are the office is really rough on things that don't fit the norm. A guy from another team wore a settlers of catan tshirt sometimes and was made fun of for it until he transferred to another department.
Once a different co-worker was reading an article about image upscaling algorithms and came across waifu2x. He asked me if I knew why it was called that and I was genuinely afraid to tell him.
>>47296054
>2 years ago
Damn has it been that long? Two straight years of cuck spam?Still better than sperg and autist
>>47295863
>Termies C+
better than average huh
>Possessed D
you could make an argument for F
>Sorcerer B
Id say point for point this is the 2nd best unit in the book, solid A
>Cultists B
C at best. Think about some of the other armies' cheap troops options.
>Heldrake A-
Not even close.
>Spawn B+
Id say A, best option in the book.
>Dinobots B
vehicle damage table. 3 HP, BS 3, and so much more.
>Predator B
Really.
>>47296133
Termies should be below C. They're slightly better than loyalist shooting terminators but way below shield terminators, and terminators in general are pretty shit at 35 ppw for T4.
>>47296118
I think so, something like that anyway. It's like the kid learning a new swear word in 3rd grade and they can't stop saying it.
>>47296104
This sounds like things that never happened.
>>47296133
>Think about some of the other armies' cheap troops options.
Like what, moron. The only cheaper units in the game are like Conscripts and Grots. They do their job, which is save you points, fill mandatory taxes, and accept an IC that makes them not retarded leadership, thus making them plentiful and inexpensive wounds WITH Objective Secured.
>>47296118
>Still better than sperg and autistdont forget edgy/edgelord/edge
>>47296053
That recycling Drone formation is nice to complain about in /tg/ but traditional Tau tactics yield far better results. They're nice to grab objectives, but when did Tau having issues doing that. It's fun but it's not something I'm taking to a tournament.
You're underrating Fire Warriors and Breachers. Throw Breachers and an Ethereal on a Devilfish and you'll unhinge anything but T8+ from an objective. Fire Warriors are arguably the best troop choices in the game with Guardians and Warriors competing for it.
Kroot are OK. They're cheap snipers, but throughout most games I've played I'd rather have a pulse rifle than a sniper rifle in a vast majority of situations. Outside of their sniper role they're not doing much.
Most of the time if my XV8s or Riptide is in trouble some Kroot aren't saving their ass. The few time they are in trouble.
>>47296169
Shutup, you Mary Sue.
>>47296175
Isn't there some rule in the Tau codex that prevents squads consisting only of Drones from scoring?
I might be remembering wrong, but that would put a damper on the endless drone wave for anything other than novelty.
>>47296175
>You're underrating Fire Warriors and Breachers
Stormsurge Ripwing build has zero FW and Breachers. XV8 are usually the troop of choice. FW are nice for a tax unit, but they aren't A. You wouldn't take an army with 72 Fire Warriors.
>>47296175
>Kroot are OK. They're cheap snipers, but throughout most games I've played I'd rather have a pulse rifle than a sniper rifle in a vast majority of situations. Outside of their sniper role they're not doing much.
>infiltrate/outflank
>not doing much
>Most of the time if my XV8s or Riptide is in trouble some Kroot aren't saving their ass. The few time they are in trouble.
>being able to summon bubblewrap/impassable terrain on demand
>not saving Riptides from melee
I think you're just a shit Tau player.
>>47296104
>did a presentation of warhammer 40k in front of my college class full of mostly jocks.
>Even the old ass professor was interested.
>there are full grown ass men afraid of office banter and transfer for it.
I guess it's super easy to be the alpha of an office these days.
>>47296204
Most tau players are shit because the codex is just so strong you don't need to be good
>>47296195
My 500 point Crisis Commander + FW is neat cause of the Turrets.
>>47296208
My mates used to take the piss out of me for playing computer games all the time at school. I just went with it or called them dicks or something.
>>47296204
OK what do Kroot actually do when they infiltrate or out flank? What amazing stories do you have of your Kroot's accomplishments other than pissing off the random MC.
How the fuck did you let your XV8, much less your goddamn Riptide get into fucking melee combat? What the fuck are you doing bro? Even when I run Farsight Enclave and mass deep strike I haven't gotten my Riptide or XV8s into combat.
Maybe we play in a different meta but I've never yearned for bubble wrap or melee saviors.
>>47296208
alpha is just a meme and has nothing to do with it.
In the real world you need to do your job so you can get paid an pay your rent. If something is interfering with your ability to do your job, you have to find away to either get away from it or deal with it, especially if others are dependent or codependent on your income.
>>47296168
>Like what moron
Was that necessary?
Idk, I think Id take Scouts with camo and bolters for 65 points over melee cultists for 50 points. I agree they are the best troops choice, but that doesnt make them good. Giving them autoguns brings them to 60 points.
There are a few others that are better than Cultists as well. But I wont spoil the surprise for you.
>>47296133
>>47296150
3 man terminators with combiweapons can deepstrike in and do their one job
they aren't the greatest at it, but it passes I guess
>>47296208
Same boat as you
> Show up to a speech class for freeform speech
> Pic related, it gets put up on the projector
> Give a speech about 40k to a whole bunch of feminists
> Ended up teaching a classroom of 30 people that "Apparently 40k isn't just a video game"
I guess this also makes me an alpha
>>47296294
Scatter dice though. CSM have no way of mitigating scatter. And rolling on that table is all bad.
>>47296241
No you don't call them dicks, you tell them they're fucking poor and they should tell their dad to work harder instead of sitting on his lazy ass.
This is most likely not true, but their defense will just roll into continuous banter.
>>47296269
>2016
>having dependents
Oh boy.
Anyways how would banter get in the way of your job? Does it keep people up at night trying to find a good comeback?
I've finally decided that I'm grabbing a morghast kit as a Void Dragon C'tan shard but I'd like to ask before I work on it what some good ways of making it more C'tan-y would be. Also, should I make it more Harbringer or Archai like?
>>47296264
Yeah, you're really shit at this game.
>hur if a unit isn't a firepower unit it's useless
>fast sturdy units like invisible deathstars and TWC/Wraiths/Knights don't exist
You're just shit at the game. You probably don't even know basic maneuvers like screening charges or buying game turns by sacrificing units.
>Maybe we play in a different meta but I've never yearned for bubble wrap or melee saviors.
Because you and your opponents are shit. They lose to Fire Warriors.
>>47296276
>5 wounds are better than 10
You're stupid.
>>47296319
>Anyways how would banter get in the way of your job? Does it keep people up at night trying to find a good comeback?
just banter can be ignored, but sometimes it goes further. Once I came into work to find a bunch of stuff from my desk missing and a picture of a goat taped to my display. My stuff turned up eventually, but if it hadn't that would have become really ugly.
So now I don't keep anything important in my desk and I take my keyboard (it is my own keyboard, not the company's) home every day.
>>47296365
>Five wounds with a +4 save, +1T and weapons worth mentioning are worse than 10 with no save and T3
u wot
>>47296317
isn't there the dimensional key relic?
not that it is any good, but it is there
>>47296365
More like 4 vs. 10. He's comparing 50 points to 65. No one buys camo cloaks on scouts these days anyway since scouts are just tactical marine tax replacements to save 3 points.
>>47296373
Why are you buying camo cloaks if you're using their 4+ armor save. Stand the cultists in a ruin and they automatically have 4+ cover. You can even just give them Mark of Nurgle. Quit being a fucking retard.
>>47296395
in some ways scouts seem better than tacticals since they are less points and battlecannon/riptide pie plates kill them all the same, also slightly better defense against grav.
>>47296373
>11-13 points per wound is better than 4 points per wound post squad taxes
LEARN. TO. PLAY.
>>47296429
They are better than tacticals. The only time you take tacticals is battle company taxes. Otherwise its scouts for point savings and dumping into librarians/centurions and other stuff, or you're taking troop bikes.
This is assuming min/max play. Most things are viable in casual play.
>>47295112
It's almost like FAQs are meant to supercede and clarify BRB rules.
Wierd huh?
>>47296445
I've heard tacticals get better if you combat squad the weapons, which they have better access than scouts to, but I don't know if that is enough to offset the extra cost. I don't actually play space marines.
>>47296371
I would have laughed.
Then I would have cranked down everyone's nic down to an Internet speed where doing general shit was fine but it would be impossible to watch a video or stream music.
As long as nothing was damaged and no one was hurt, there's nothing shockingly wrong or disrupting. There's a lot of shit they could of done, but a goat picture and moving your shit isn't something to think about at night.
>>47296104
holy shit you sound like the kind of faggots I used to pick on at work for not being able to handle the banter.
And I'm a fucking lawyer in australia and use my (meagre) lawbucks to pursue my nerdy hobbies so I know my shit.
>>47295558
The new kits are heavily priced to make sure the ones that do buy from GW are milked until they bleed.
Because the best way to fix failing sales is to charge buyers enough to cover the ones that don't buy.
>>47296365
I play CSM and Blood Angels. I use Scouts and Cultists for the same role - backfield obj camping. Scouts are better and its not really even close. Thats just my experience though, yours may be different.
Try not insulting people when you reply to them, it makes you look bad.
>>47295130
If that's how you interpret the grenade rules then you're too dumb to offer commentary on the FAQ.
>>47296492
>I used to pick on at work for not being able to handle the banter.
why
people are only there to do their work and go home
leave them alone
>>47296104
He was right, it's for fleshlovers.
Now technomancy, *that's* a martian art.
>>47296513
because if you're a faggot who can't handle the banter chances are you're a boring douche-canoe who sits around being mopey all day who no one wants to be around because you're like a blackhole sucking in all happiness.
get over yourself you neckbeard, reeee
>>47296492
>Lawyer
Oh, now you being a socially maladjusted cockbite makes sense.
>>47296352
Seriously if you're shitting your pants because there are TWC, Wraith Knights or Knights with the tools the Tau have then you really just need to stop posting.
Pro tip: usually those death star runners and super heavy/GC are shit at actually playing the game and the objective. They run their death star around like a retard wielding a stick, kill some shit and then get BTFO in points by games.
>>47296371
Good thing you didn't go blue collar, you'd be dead by day 2.
>>47296434
If you take 4 times as many wounds from common weapons, nothing is saved.
>>47296540
>Lighten up Francis.
>>47296542
pic related: its you
>>47296550
Fuck man, I'm gonna miss this shit. White collar looks boring as fuck.
What are the rules on two-handed melee weapons? Can I have a character with a two-handed melee weapon and a two-handed ranged weapon, like an Eviscerator and a Space Marine Shotgun?
>>47295775
Stormbirds, storm eagles and fire raptors are all very rare in 40K.
Yes, fire raptors are much bigger than storm ravens.
>>47296573
I know, I used to think i was meant for pure office work, I really tried but making things work beats writing reports on why they don't.
>>47296573
of course it is boring. it is work. that is why you are paid to do it
>>47296576
yes
>>47296576
Yes.
>>47296599
Maybe unfulfilling is a better term.
>>47295916
So whenever he talks about mma pretend to confuse it with wwe. I mean it's all the same thing, right?
>>47296599
Blue collar work isn't boring. So that's a logical fallacy.
>>47296598
Especially with all this "open office" bullshit. It's the worst of both worlds, no privacy but a Solano socialization.
>>47295940
Imperial armour 2, second edition.
>>47296264
>What amazing stories do you have of your Kroot's accomplishments other than pissing off the random MC.
Aww yiss, kroot warstories time:
>Group of 15 kroot snipers infiltrated enemy backline, shot at enemy dreadknight causing 3 wounds. Dreadknight tried to assault them and died to overwatch
>2x10 Kroot snipers outflank two enemy havoc teams, proceeds to wipe them in 2 shooting phases
>1x10 Vanilla kroots outflanks into two enemy farseers and wipes them in 1 turn.
>Have gotten me linebreaker more times than I can remember
>1x10 Infiltrated close with 4 man stealth team and glanced out 2 wyverns on first turn, proceeded to slaughter infantry squads.
>Several occasions of holding 2 turns in melee when ethereal was close by to give stubborn and ld10
>Several occasions of nigging the relic on first turn infiltrate and passed it into my gunline, forcing the enemy to play on my terms.
>Scores of times they have bubblewrapped important units against deep strikes, outflanks etc.
>Scores of times they have denied enemy charges on bigger units.
>Have cucked enemy infiltrators from the dawn of time.
>Back in the 6th edition they were crucial part on taking out several wraithknights on several games
>Back in the 4th&5th edition kroots have ambushed several tanks, killing/crippling them in melee
Seriously, kroots have decent damage output with just rifles. Taking sniper rounds just makes them that much better. And if you don't see the value of a 6ppm infiltrating model, then something is horribly wrong with you.
>>47296613
>Maybe unfulfilling is a better term.
could anything corporate ever be fulfilling? corprorate culture seems to make everyone miserable.
>>47296650
My 10 Kroot stared at 4 Marines beating the shit out of my Stealth Suits until they slaughtered the Suits and then 1 Marine held up 8 for 4 turns.
Maybe I'm just bitter. I never say they're bad but they haven't done much for me.
I don't understand
>>47296623
Or ask him if the there's a reason he likes watching sweaty topless guys so much. Promise not to judge him if he wants to tell you something.
It's okay, the Greeks were into that too...
>>47296681
Wraithknights have a living pilot to help operate it
>>47296681
Need to be better than imperial kngihts.
>>47296675
Kroots in 7th edition 101:
>Not a melee unit, don't fall for this meme.
>Deny area and movement, be annoying and force the enemy to commit to them, giving more time for your other units.
>Hunker down on forests/ruins or just kite as long as you can, 24'' weapon range and move through cover helps.
>>47293863
GRADES EDITION-CANT BEAR TO DO TYRANIDS AS WELL SUB-EDITION
GREY KNIGHTS
>Grand Master
B
>Brother Captain
B-
>Librarian
A
>Brotherhood Champion
D
>Techmarine
D
>Crowe
D
>Stern
D
>Paladins
B-
>Purifiers
B+
>Dreadnought
D-
>FW GK Dreadnought
C
>Terminators
B
>Strike Squad
F
>Interceptors
B
>Stormraven
C
>Razorback
C-
>Vortimer Razorback
C
>Rhino
B
>Purgation Squad
B-
>Nemesis Dreadknight
S
>Landraiders (VANILLA VARIETIES ONLY)
C
>Landraider Vortimer Redeemer
B-
>Draigo
A
INQUISITION
>Karamazov
C
>Coteaz
A+
>Malleus
B+
>Hereticus
C
>Xenos
B
>Acolyte
B+
>Psyker
A
>Crusader/DCA
B-
>Daemonhost
C
>Arco-Flagellant
>Mystic
C-
>Priest
B+
>Monkey
B
>Servitor
A
>Land Raiders-all varieties
C-
>Chimera
B+
>Valkyrie
B+
>Rhino
B
>Razorback
C+
>>47293863
Any links to the Horus Heresy audiobooks?
>inb4 poorfag
>>47296741
I'm not gonna call you a poor fag.
You're just a fag.
Look up.
>>47296770
>You're just a fag.
this is 4chan so that goes without saying
>>47296681
Heres another
Guard<Lord<Knight
Seriously, GWus must be to blame.
Only Month/Day/Year
>>47295066
>if they win they are tactical geniuses
>if they lose it's the books fault
But that's exactly how it works when your codex is shit, you stupid fuckface.
Play a low tier codex against the faggotry that's available nowadays and tell me how much of a fucking genius you feel like when you finally win.
>inb4 you tell me some shit how you main sisters with no allies or kroot heavy tau lists or whatever bullshit you're going to post
>don't bother, i won't read it
>>47295231
>I spent money on being a massive faggot, so invalidating it is unfair
Kill yourself
>>47296264
I have played nids since 3rd but recently got into tau.0
They outflanked and took out an opposing wraithknight before it wrecked my shit.
No statistical basis for this since i literaly only played them once but it was pretty awesome.
Tried out Wulfen for the first time in a game, a fucking hilarious unit against close combat focused armies. It's like a grenade, anything that touches it is not coming out unscathed. I don't care if the Emperor himself charges the unit, he's getting hit by at least 8 S10 AP2 and 8 S7 AP2 attacks whether he likes it or not.
>>47296458
Actually they are just supposed to clarify, not contradict.
If they want to change a rule, they should call it an errata, so people know gw is admitting they were wrong.
>>47296825
>those dice
>>47296826
This is why the Emperor make them that way, he made them stupidly loyal and extra killy to deal with rouge legionaries, I mean, not even the world eaters can pull that shit and they're always mad.
>>47296734
Servitor above monkeys? Monkeys get an invuln, buffs, no mindlock and choose their weapons each turn. They should be equal (since those benefits come for 15 points).
And Razorback should be a B+ easily. It's only 5 more points than a rhino. Way better than any other codex that can take it. Plus, it can get psybolt rounds for insta-deathing anything T3.
>>47296879
yeah, they are awful to read. We are just using them a wound markers nowadays
>>47296825
>statue of an ork player against any non-shit tier codex
kek
>>47295103
I have that mini.
Tell me, is it actually skull taker or is it a reaper mini like my friend says.
>>47296734
>>Land Raiders-all varieties
>C-
>>Razorback
>C+
>>47296458
What? No, you retard.
Frequently Asked Question documents are supposed to answer questions about how the rules work, not change them.
If rules are genuinely unclear or if they need to be changed then they should actually be changed which is what errata are for.
>>47297006
Oh hush you, Land Raider Excelsior is better than C- (As long as you dont encounter grav, D or haywire)
>>47296790
Sisters aren't that bad. Melta is always good AT stuff and SoB aren't too expensive to make it unusable. Flamers are great even against MEQ's and what do Sisters get a lot of?
But best of all? D6 S8 AP1 Melta missiles a turn. Three of those means I'm dropping 3D6 of those on you a turn. Doesn't matter what you are, you're going to die eventually.
Against top tier? Nah. Against Nids/Orks/CSM I think I'd do quite well. Repressors are also underrated. They're slightly more expensive than a Chimera, but have +1 FAV. They have Flamer and Stormbolter for damage, which isn't great, but they do have 8 fire ports. Meaning you can bunker in it if you need.
>>47297028
I was mocking his rating. Inquisition Crusader with Psybolts is going to dish out decent amounts of dakka. Redeemers become tastier with Psyflame.
Isn't Excelsior the Reserve Jammer/Buffer Warhammer World exclusive?
>>47297028
>Land Raider Excelsior is better than C- (As long as you dont encounter grav, D or haywire)
So it's a C- then.
>but it's good against scrub players and shit codexes
So is everything else.
>>47296829
>>47297025
Here we have the scum of our game. They exist to wallow in negativity and never ever going to admit that GW can do anything but bad.
Watch but do not emulate. They are a net negative to our hobby.
>>47296665
Only if you work for a shit company. Some are great.
>>47296513
Group dynamics are something you have to learn to deal with when you aren't on your own.
>>47297028
>Land Raider Excelsior
>400pts for 4HP
>not a Superheavy profile
overpriced trash
>>47296729
>Play a Chaos knight
>Charge in with Fiends of Slaanesh
I realize for points it's no contest but it's sooo fun to see the elftard players face when he strikes at I1
>>47297100
also comes with a primaris rhino you dong
>>47297051
Calling you a retard for not understanding the difference between a FAQ and an errata has nothing to do with what I think about GW.
>>47297114
ok, that's kinda cool then. didnt really notice that in the rules
40k is a complete boys' club.
GW is literally missing on 50% of their potential customers.
What should be done to make 40k more attractive for women?
>>47295669
>try explaining the apoc version of endless swarm to SM players mid game
>"wow thats dumb, that's so OP"
>they're physically upset because they can't target my swarms with pie plates
>meanwhile i have no way to take care of their warhounds
why does everything have to be shit
>>47297115
I'm not the same anon, I'm just disappointed people are trying to be negative about a positive change.
>>47297134
Fuck off. If women like 40k, they do, if they don't they don't.
Tumblr is the place for gender panderers like yourself. Don't bring the same shame Dungeons and Dragons got to this hobby.
>>47297134
Right, unlike all of those other wargames that have loads of female players.
Given that females don't seem to especially like books, video games or tabletop games where warfare is the central theme I think that the best way to make it female friendly would be to change 40K to a time when there is only dating and gossip.
Sex in the hive city.
>>47297141
Going back to doing FAQs and actually getting feedback on it is great.
Still not understanding the difference between what is appropriate for a FAQ and what's appropriate for an errata tells us that the sloppy rules writing isn't going to change.
>>47297132
Yeah you could say it costs ~300pts and the rhino is ~100pts. They both are pretty okayish by themselves but the real power hides the way they buff other units. Excelsior can give out interceptor/skyfire/tankhunter/monsterhunter to other SM-units and Primaris has few usefull once-per-game abilities it can give to any units including "Shoot-snapfire-at-full-BS" which is always useful.
>>47297134
>Let's make call of duty more female friendly.
>half of the levels will be about the emotional struggles of the spouses of the soldiers
>fuck, now no one likes it.
>>47297193
>fucking black men while your husband is away is an emotional struggle.
>>47297205
Those choices would feed back into the soldier levels.
Get taped fucking enough black men and your husband kills himself.
Compelling gaming for everyone!
>>47297134
Well, we could stop baiting online for starters.
>>47297193
Fuck that, most of my friend who play CoD are actually women who enjoy shooting other people in video games. I dont play them cause I cant handle retards in multiplayer games.
>>47297224
But that's impossible - there are no female characters in call of duty and these faggots tell me that there have to be female characters / miniatures or women can't enjoy it!
Can anyone remember that old Iarge-scale Inquisitor game that GW used to publish early 2000s? What was the name of the system? Would like to get hold of some of the models if I can track them down.
>>47295775
>arvus lighter in chapter colours
I wonder what unit pulled the short straw the get stuck with that one.
>>47297247
(facepalm)
It was called...
Inquisitor.
Does someone have the screenshot of the guy going about how GW writers are always going about possible exceptions in the fluff in order to allow you to make your guys while GW fans often go into a rage when there is something that don't conform absolutely to their idea of canon?
>>47297266
Not the best for distinct search terms.
Just search Inquisitor on eBay and troll through the listings. If it says 50mm then the price is going up. You're looking for ones that aren't marked.
Same for listings which actually give the models names.
Just know what the models look like.
>>47297260
>>47297266
Oh... right.
Unrelated note - jesus fucking christ. Maybe I'll start smoking crack and just hallucinate playing this game, would be cheaper in the longrun.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Inquisitor-54mm-Sergeant-Dorian-Black-Imperial-Guard-Games-Workshop-OOP-RARE-/361346578901?hash=item5421ef39d5:g:HqkAAOSwd0BVr1cA
>>47297294
I'll have to keep digging. I came across a Brother Artemis I bought way back but never assembled, thought it might be fun to build out a crew.
Anyone have any idea what the game system was like?
>>47297296
See - it mentions the scale and the actual name of the model. You don't want that.
You're looking for listings with titles like "40K Inquisitor OOP"
>>47297221
>you finally get back from fighting sand niggers in the desert
>get back in time for your son's birth.
>on the way back you start doing the math and it's not adding up.
>you put it in the back of your head, 9 months is just a round about estimate right?
>you get the room, your anxiety about the baby is getting the better of you.
>the doctor finally pulls it out and it's as white as caramel.
>you go into a fit of rage.
>media labels you as a racist and you're charged with hate crimes.
10/10 - IGN.
>>47297304
There are loads of scans of the rules.
Fuck that though. What you want is =][=munda
It's a fan made hybrid of Inquisitor and necromunda in regular GW scale.
Which are the worst flyers and who has the worst flyer formation?
>>47297151
>Sex in the hive city.
I got an audible chuckle out of that. Now I want to see this become a thing. It'd be even better if it was on Armageddon
>Oh Stasius, your gas mask is looking sharp today!
>Thanks Amyius, I got a date with this commissar. His name is Yarrik.
>>47297247
Just use 28mm models, the system works just as fine for them and they're cheaper, even with GW prices.
>>47297141
Doing FAQ's means nothing if the FAQ's themselves are broken, shitty messes themselves. If they continue to refine these and add to them as new issues arise, they deserve some kudos. Until then, they deserve nothing but contempt for their utter inability to not fuck up rules.
That face you make when Doomrider returns from the dead riding a full scale Chaos Death Wheel.
>>47297402
Go play Infinity.
>>47297410
A mouth truly big enough for the Emperor's Children. How else are they going to suck those big slanneshi cocks?
>>47297402
>I am an upset that the rules don't pan out in my favour anymore I have it so hard :,(: the post
>>47297402
QQ nub. Fuck off with your whinging and either play the game or sook to mom so she takes you to a non-GW store.
>>47297463
>>47297438
>>47297413
Where the fuck did the gee dubs defense force come from?
The guy/s arent wrong. Completely changing a rule is errata, not FAQ and and its well known that GW write terrible rules. Why are you shitting on him/them?
>>47297529
because he's being a whiny pissbaby and has been for hours
and because its fun
>>47297434
We'd use your butt but even Slaneesh get tired of pumping loose things every once in a while.
>>47297438
I play Tzeentch Chaos. The new FAQ's have done nothing but buff my army. Say hello to 2-3 free D-Thirsters turn 2.
>>47297529
They don't care about GW, thy just like to shitpost because it makes them feel better about their miserable, pathetic lives.
>>47297552
Not the same guy. I don't really give a fuck about the distinction between a FAQ and an Errata, so long as they actually fix things and keep doing it. It's going o take more than a single conciliatory gesture to make GW laudable after years of ineptitude and hostility towards their consumers.
>>47297134
Barbara Streisand concerts are a total womens club.
What should be done to appeal to metalheads?
>>47297296
Dont girget the 5 pounds of GS needed to make the model fit together.
>>47294386
the hornets are one of the most under-priced units in the game.
Deciding on which colour scheme to use for my Chapter, care to give your opinions on the two options?
continued from last thread - New Necron player here. If the decurian is my primary detachment, why would I get to reroll my warlord trait? The reclamation legion does not have this stipulation. I think I only get to roll once.
>>47298016
a looks a lot more balanced colours wise but b is a lot more distinct i also like the blueish white a lot more than the plain white
>>47298016
Both are bad, a is the less bad one.
>>47295446
>Im going to sound autistic here but i fucking hate bikes. They look dumb, i refuse to use them.
How can you not enjoy Mad Max in space you absolute spergburglar.
>fell from /tg/ a couple years ago due to real life
>find my old 4th edition CSM codex and about 1500 points of unpainted minis
>dust off all my paints
>open the lids and peer inside
>mfw
About 50% of these are salvageable, but I'm going to do the impossible and salvage the other half too, if only to show those Jews at GW.
>>47298016
Both need track suit stripes on the legs. The legs are incredibly boring.
>>47297031
>Melta Exorcists
Do want. How do I get one? Or six.
>>47298034
Might just replace the white in a. with the blueish white. Thanks anon
>>47298043
I'll probably end up despising the scheme after painting about five marines in those colours, like what always happens...I don't know why I bother anymore
>>47298118
I'll look into it
>>47298103
Why not Vallejo colors?
>>47298143
If this doesn't pan out, I'll probably buy some Vallejo. I got an armload of Citadel paints as a gift when I was starting out, so it would be a shame to throw them away.
So yesterday my Orks absolutely ruined my buddys SW.
I even warned him I'd bring my stompa, and he crammed meltagun in to every unit capable and brought that conclave they have with 2/3 going for technomancy.
And yet he was just smeared all over the place, Stompa didn't even do much, only killed half of the fenrusian wolf formation.
Between the massed Grotzookas and CCW/Skorcha dredd, by his turn 2 he was left with no psykers, no meltas, just plain bolters and only had a single dread and two kans dead to show for it.
>>47298139
what's your favorite 2 colors?
>>47298139
Its aa much a matter of comining and placing colours as it is choosing them.
The scheme you have there pretty much just jooks like you've painted a fat stripe across the model, you need to accentuate its shape and components.
>Windrider Host:
Farseer Skyrunner
Ghosthelm, Rune Armour, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade
Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult
Vyper Squadron
3 x Vyper
Shuriken Cannon, Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult
Warlock Skyrunner Conclave
Warlock with Singing Spear, Rune Armour, Shuriken Pistol, Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult
2 x Warlock with Witchblade, Rune Armour, Shuriken Pistol, Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult
5x Windrider w/ Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult
5x Windrider w/ Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult
5x Windrider w/ Twin-linked Shuriken Catapult
>Aspect Host:
4x Fire Dragons with Exarch
5x Fusion Gun, 5x Heavy Aspect Armour, 5x Melta Bombs
4x Howling Banshees with Exarch
5x Aspect Armour, 5x Banshee Mask, 5x Power Sword, 5x Shuriken Pistol
4x Swooping Hawks with Exarch
5x Aspect Armour, 5x Grenade Pack, 5x Haywire Grenades, 5x Lasblaster, 5x Plasma Grenades, 5x Swooping Hawk Wings
>Wraith Host:
Spiritseer
Rune Armour, Shuriken Pistol, Witch Staff
5 x Wraithguard
Wraithcannon
5 x Wraithguard
Wraithcannon
5 x Wraithguard
Wraithcannon
Wraithknight
2x Heavy Wraithcannon, 2x Shuriken Cannon
Wraithlord
2x Shuriken Catapult, Ghostglaive, Bright Lance
1950pts
Trying to make an Eldar army that's competitive but not cheesy, which just so happens to include all of my favourite Eldar units except the Avatar and Phoenix Lords. Not sure whether to give the Wraithknight two heavy wraithcannons or the ghostglaive/scattershield, and I've got 50 points left over to play with upgrades for other things, just not sure on what.
Is there a big weakness that I've missed or an auto-take option I've overlooked?
>started out as a big space marine fan like all do
>gradually shifted away from the imperium as i got older
>space marines don't do anything for me anymore
>turn into a full blown ork
zog it
>>47298155
What was your army like, anon?
I'm trying to start out orks and was looking to have some six kans and a Dredd sitting in HS, so maybe your list could give me some pointers.
>>47298155
Well, he took the Fenrisian Wolves and the shitty SW conclave without even rolling on the discipline that conclave is made for.
I don't really see anything strange with this. Outside of the TWC the SW aren't really that strong army
>>47298202
You see I was the opposite.
>When I started playing my meta was mainly space marines, tau and eldar
>I wanted to be a special snowflake so I choose Orks
>I still find it fun to play as them, but I felt like something that presented a bit more of a tactical challenge
>So after considering both Dark Eldar and IG, I rolled with IG
feel me?
>>47298200
Add one Scatter laser or a Shuriken cannon to each of those windriders, you may as well be honest with what you're doing.
There's no big weakness since you have the auto-includes (bikes and knights) already. You might have some trouble moving the Dragons, Banshees and Guard upfield, but I think the knight will probably be plenty enough of a fire magnet.
>>47297134
>What should be done to make 40k more attractive for women?
Only allow dudes into game stores if they are at least a 7/10.
If I take a Skyrunner Farseer because bikes are rad should I stick him in a squad or have him gleefully running around? If so, which squad would be a good fit?
>>47298200
>not cheesy
>windrider formation,15 wraithguards and a wraithknight
just make the bikes scatbikes and get some warp spiders
>>47298260
But that's like 5% of all men. Women cannot into statistical distributions.
>>47297296
Just play it with standard 40k miniatures ya big goof.
>>47298016
I assure you, while the idea is not bad on paper, they will look extremely bland on the table.
>>47298223
unlike that anon you actually grew up with age, congratulations anon
>>47296371
Do you live in Eastern Europe ?
It sounds like you work in the most retarded office on Earth.
>>47298269
>>47298252
Alright I guess it is a little cheesy, I genuinely like the Wraith lore and models though, even if they were shit I'd still be taking them.
Okay good, it's a solid list and I haven't missed out something vital, great. The best thing is it'll only cost about £600 for the whole thing.
>>47298283
Better hit then gym then, fuckboi.
>>47298204
Uh sure, though it's an awful list accordig to /tg/
From memory...
>Three mega meks, 2 kff and one mff.
>Three small meks.
>Three units of burna boys with minimum boys maximum meks
>Two grot squads
>2x5 grotzooka kans
>1 3CCW 1 skorcha dredd.
>Stompa w riggers
And some extra shit.
Burnas, mmf mek and small meks ride the stompa to give it 4++ and a shitload of repairs in addition to iwnd.
Two ther meks stome aroynd withing 6" of the kans anddredd for the 5++ and reapirs
grots hide on objectives.
>>47298352
I'd make the Wraithknight melee oriented, you already have a shitton of D-Cannons and overall shootiness, make some use of your Jump Gargantuan of rape.
>>47297103
This makes me happy
>>47298283
Clearly you can't into social life if you think so few dudes are 7s
Pro-tip: most folks shower REGULARLY
>>47297134
There's a girl on the cover of the new starter set for babies, in fact.
>>47297150
>If women like 40k, they do, if they don't they don't.
GW could do a lot to reach out to more players, regardless of gender, without changing anything but how they tailor their marketing.
>>47297265
You don't see how both those things can exist at the same time? GW's emphasis on Your Guys is part of the reason people get mad when canon changes.
>>47297402
FAQs aren't now, and never were, meant to fix codex flaws. One grenade per phase is RAI, the fact that the whole squad pays for them is a codex problem.
>>47297529
Because he's a whiny cunt.
>>47298202
>been Tau since day one, through thick and thin
>>47298260
Just make them fucking bathe.
Having clean, nice-smelling stores would be half the battle alone. Most FLGS are smelly, poorly light, and have carpet with 20 years of filth soaked into it. Keep the place tidy, and the average tidiness of the players will go up, if only incrementally.
Does GW put out battle reports in White Dwarf anymore? I'd be curious to see if they've ever had a battle report that mentions the use of grenades in close combat.
>>47298498
are you unsure of how grenades are used in close combat? Basically you just give up all but one of your attacks per model using the grenades, and then they use the statline of the grenade.
For example if you had a guardsman who had krak grenades and you are on the charge, instead of making two attacks at Str 3, AP - you make one attack at Str 6, AP 4.
>>47298376
Okay, thanks. He looks cooler with the sword and board and it should be fun to convert and paint.
I'm going to try and make my wraithbone stuff look more organic like in the DoW3 trailer, probably painting little tendrils of liquid gs onto the edges of armour plates.
Now to go think up a colour scheme, cheers again for the help.
>>47298551
What if they get charged?
>>47294175
200 points for 4 big choppas and a power klaw and eavy armour in a trukk protecting a lucky stikk mega armoured warboss Is really effective unless they unload ap 2 at you, then you tank with a reroll able 2+ armour till the s7 s8 and s10 hit hard.
Tell me something cool a character from your army did, preferably something that happened in tabletop and you then spun a story for.
I love reading that kind of stuff.
>>47298551
Missing the key point which is one grenade per unit per phase.
>>47298464
>GW could do a lot to reach out to more players, regardless of gender, without changing anything but how they tailor their marketing
What marketing?
>>47298628
>putting your warboss in a trukk
>ever
>big choppas
>ever
>orks
>ever
>>47298669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozIWK51x58
>plazmah gonne!
>drednort!
>Wake up
>People still grading their units
yay
>herald of khrone C+
He's a good in combat, for 65 points a herald with an eather blade can kill twice his cost easily and rip a tank open with his bear hands. I just don't think he or his bloodletter chaff are durable enough to really bother with upgrades, they're more a distraction unit. Maybe if I got a model herald on Juggernaut he would be more worth it but right now he dies too easily to retaliation.
I suppose I'm just bias because he's the only herald that doesn't contribute to the psychic phase.
>bloodletters B-
They're super killy for super cheap, they don't need any upgrades at all. They're the unit you can't ignore but don't want to waste your shooting against. Great unit but not durable enough to carry the game, if your opponent wants them gone they're gone.
>Pink horrors B
I was thinking if I should include their potential to summon, looking at it now I really should have given them an A at least but I was thinking differently at the time.
They're amazing because they generate 2 warp charges for 99 points and can sit on objectives, but other than that they're useless.
Everyone can use their warp charges more efficiently than they can, either with better ballistic skill or with betters ways of harnessing them due to paradox staff or that new warlord trait. Possession is their apex of their useful because they can kill themselves and summon what you actually want on the board.
>Furies B-
At 8 points a model Slaanesh furies are insanely good. Jump infantry with ws4, I4, fleet, +3 to run rolls, immunity to panic tests, 5++ and rending. They can butcher guardsmen before they strike, they can suicide in to a marine squad and take down twice their points, they can rend vehicles to death. They're just so versatile, they're the unit you don't want to bother shooting but can't afford to ignore. Their only weakness is ld2 but you can avoid having problems with that if you just never lose a fight.
>>47298551
No, I'm curious to see whether GW followed the "one grenade" thing in their battle report.
>>47298630
During a match with Daemons I brought my Deathwing and the entire squad, besides my librarian, got burned by tzeentch chariots. To show this my Termi Lib wears a power armour helmet under his Psychic hood, even in power armour becasue his face was badly burnt from surviving the torrent of flames.
Really shitty /wip/ pic included.
>>47298669
The new babies box is a good example.
It's marketed at ages 8-12, and being sold to stores that don't already carry 40k (so possibly hobby stores, maybe even Target / Walmart). And the structure is designed to get them hooked cheap, and gives them a sort of "natural on-ramp" from the baby kit to the full game.
It could be a hell of a lot better, but it's a good step.
>>47298606
Yeah, it definitely looks better. Plus a melee kitted Wraithknight is going to reliably murder and annihilate anything it gets to attack, and blow up vehicles like its his job. If your farseer rolls Fortune... Well, the enemy is not going to have any fun at all.
>>47298670
>I have never tried this strategy, but I don't like it so I'll shitpost about it
Worked against guard, nids, tau, and necrons. Building an army isn't about focusing on one unit, it's the synergy of all the units working together. I'm not gonna put that trukk in the open, I'm gonna los block it and keep a low profile till its needed while other units are distracting him and make its points back in a turn. L2p
Good Morning
>>47298711
>Grenades Are Hard Edition
>>47298711
New Thread
>>47298711
Same OP Image
>>47298163
I'd do that, except I very much doubt green and blue make a viable colour scheme
>>47298187
>>47298304
Thanks for the input guys (not being sarcastic)
>>47298630
>SoB Rhino with 1 HP rams an Assault Centurion squad
>Centurion makes a Death or Glory stand with his chainfist
>Guaranteed pen vs AV11
>Pilot's unerring faith in the emprah is rewarded, Rhino survives the attack due to its 6++
>Splatters the Centurion Austin Powers-style, tank shocks the Centurion squad off the objective, scores the winning point
The Emperor protects.
>>47298720
>I very much doubt green and blue make a viable colour scheme
Green and blue are complementary colors you donut
Just make sure they're not both super strong values and saturations
>>47298719
>making a new thread this early
Fuck off.
>>47298713
Ur meta a shit.
>>47298758
>Green and blue are complementary colors
They're not, but that's okay. You can make any two-color combination look good.
>>47298630
>6th edition eldar running a guardian heavy list
>6th edition daemons running a khorne/tzeentch group lead by a daemon prince of khorne
>Got a on foot seer council running like fuck away from said khorne daemon prince
>they have the relic, and its turn 3
>got half a squad of guardian defenders nearby
>they contain some of the first models i ever put together, and their poses are a little silly, kind of an eyesore desu
>the hero of our story is one guardian in particular, who is posed like pic related
>the KDP flubs his charge into the seer council, but they don't stand a chance against that bastard kos its a warlock and a 1 wound seer left
>charge guardian squad into KDP, KDP destroys 3 dudes.
>fails to wound one of the models, this is where it begins.
>smashy attacks back, rolls a 5, then a 6
>KDP fails save, goes down to its last wound
>smashy rolls snake eyes and stays in the fight
>KDP players turn, starts mopping up a lot of my army, everyone too far to help smashy.
>KDP rolls to hit, hits once and wounds
>let the turret take the hit
>smashy fails LD, but doesn't get sweeped
>consolidates away.
>turn 4, smashy fires his catapult at KDP, doesn't do anything
>charges KDP, survives ANOTHER round of combat (the KDP player has always had awful luck, he doesn't take the Grimoire because it always turned against him)
>fails to wound
>turn 4, KDP tries to kill smashy
>misses all but one attack, fails to wound
>smashy attacks back, one attack, 6+ to wound
>wounds
>KDP dies.
>smashy gets slay the warlord
>turn 5, variable game length
>game ends
>slay the warlord+relic nets me the win
>>47298838
Fuck, then what's the word? Analogous colors?
I understand the concepts better than the words.
>>47296458
FAQ aren't supposed to overide the BRB. It's supposed to clarify it, you mong.
Errata overrides the BRB. But they didn't put that in errata, they did it in the FAQ part. Which makes no sense.
>>47294567
It wouldn't be cool to have so many of the weapons be as good as they are now (Rending on all Choppa-style ones) without a points boost. Rending on Warbosses with 5 attacks on the charge would be silly as hell for 5 points.
>>47298678
That would be MB games advertising, not GW.
>>47298702
Exactly. Ridiculous to say that they could tailor their marketing when there has been zero marketing prior to kiddie box.
>>47298702
babies box? What are you guys talking about?
>>47299088
Aobr models packed in small boxes with paints, brush and glue and a free highly streamlined rules for kids have gone on sale in craft/hobby type stores (not gaming type stores) in the US.
>>47298354
>Uh sure, though it's an awful list accordig to /tg/
This describes all lists ever posted on /tg/.
You're on 4chan, son. You think this is the place for positive affirmations?
>>47299303
Ive actually only received positive feedback about my ork lists
>>47296133
Predators would fit B if it was 1-3 per heavy support slot.
>>47298670
> Ork not top dex
> Why even try
fuck you, /tg/. Assoholes typing words on Internet.
>>47298779
Not him, but maybe he has adults at his LGS who don't try to curb-stomp everybody coming in the door.
It's actually a thing at my LGS - figuring out how to stratify your lists to produce good games with Orks/chaos
>>47294803
It isn't, it's a remnant of the WE legion
>>47295554
>Where does this meme come from?
>My list consists of 3 flyrant
Have you ever tried you know, a fluffy swarm list, a Warrior spam or anything without flyrants with quad-devs? That codex is a piece of shit. There's power in it in form of flyrants, but I wouldn't call it that enjoyable to use. Hell, I have been using the same list for 2 years and it's starting to piss me off
>>47299912
Here is my assault-nid list. This is competitive with anything. I lose to necrons, Imperial knights, and dark eldar. It eats Craftworld and Space Marine armies alive.
skytyrant swarm 20 gargs - wings BSLW, OA,Egrub
tyrant wings BSLW, AG, OA,Egrub
tyrant wings BSLW, AG, OA,Egrub
4 shrikes RC, FH, TS,AG
4 shrikes RC, FH, TS,AG
3 biovores (kills markerlights, windriders, anything hiding)
harpy
13 Horms
13 horms
2 malanthropes
Harpy helps shrikes with I4.
Gliding flyrants can 2+ shrouded jink.
ID everything in assault.
Good times.
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