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Gas the Spheres of Power. 3pp war now.
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Old thread: >>47172280
First for Elsbeth
Why do people still play Pathfinder when 5e and Mouseguard are pretty much objectively better?
>>47185805
>>47185811
>trading sweet sweet numerical bonuses for a binary advantage/disadvantage system
u wot m8
nth for alchemists (and investigators) are the best class and you can't convince me that it isn't in a perfect place in regards to both balance and fluff. You can make almost anything you want and do it competently, and you can do really cool fun stuff without breaking the game in half.A shame I don't know where to look for any art of an alchemist and their homunculus. Maybe I should suck it up, compile references, then beg in a drawthread.
>>47185811
>Implying the game I'm playing still counts as Pathfinder for anything other than 3pp compatibility
I pity you paizocore cucks
>>47185811
Because 5e doesn't have Soulknife, Aegis, Astral Constructs,or my players
>>47185884
>best class
>not Warder
>>47185811
Because I can't get people to play Mouseguard.
>>47185811
Because I likeSkinwalkers.
>>47185811
When I run a game I tend to use almost every alternate system released at once(+some of my modifications), it ends up making the game actually quite a bit different to the point that characters don't die nearly as often, but are unable to fight effectively when damaged so the players actually run away rather than fight to the death like idiots(from my experience with players at least). Also PoW allowed, Spheres required for all mid and full casters(alchemist/investigator is fine as well as paladins, mediums, rangers, and bloodragers if they don't want to use spheres), Psionics sometimes allowed.
Opinions on the Havocker Witch? Seems weaker than standard witch, but a LOT stronger than kineticist.
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/1462831687056.png
>>47185884
>alchemists
That's a really strange way to spell beguiler
So tonight I'll be hanging out with some of the writers from Kobold Press.
Anything I should discuss with them? They seem to be one of the more background publishers, but if you guys have anything you want me to talk about or ask on the show, I'll do it.
Can retraining allow you to change your disciplines known? Like going from scarlet throne to some other discipline?
>>47186049
Tell Marc Radle he's a cunt and that by tossing copypasta'd ads all over the paizo boards he's making Kobold Press as a whole look like cunts.
>>47186049
I'd like to know what the fuck's up with the whole Trickster thing.
>>47186049
Tell 'em one of my friends is absolutely in love with the Artisan class and that I also think it's the best thing they've put out.
Also tell 'em that some of their feats are fucking ridiculous and that they should check whoever wrote them into a mental institution.
Example: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/3rd-party-feats/kobold-press/general-feats---3rd-party---kobold-press/bravery
>>47186118
What Trickster thing?
1th/nd for illidan
>>47185884
Alchemist are a broken class. I do not mean in terms of power, but upon release and since their class has had several things about it that simply do not work.
>>47186151
This should be a Fighter Class Feature, not a Feat.
>>47186177
You for sure don't ever know what the term "broken" is, even if someone rub a dictionary on your retarded face.
>>47186154
I'm not him, but I'd hazard a guess that >>47186118 is talking about the fact that Kobold Press recently had Paizo expunge a handful of critical reviews on the Trickster under the guise that they weren't legitimate reviews.
>>47185995
What's your favorite kinda Skinwalker, senpai?
>>47186179
but feasts ARE fighter class features :P
>>47186177
>but upon release and since their class has had several things about it that simply do not work.
Such as?
>>47186208
Guy in question, that's exactly what I meant.
>>47186097
I think he might actually be showing up, so I'll pass that along.
>>47186118
Not sure what you mean.
>>47186151
I'll bring it up I guess. I don't have the ability to read through everything they publish, so I don't have a great grasp of how good/bad their general output skews. It seems like the bulk of their publications are class guides though.
>>47185920
This.
The Warder is quite easily the greatest class in either core or 3pp, it combines all the best aspects of martial fighting in a way that gives you heavy armor, heavy hitting, and enough brains to be a legitimate party member.
Warder and the Warder's archetypes encompass basically every aspect of "fighter person" you could want.
>>47186219
>I'll bring it up I guess
You should probably, like, avoid the "fucking" and the "mental institution" parts now that I think about it
>>47186228
Which DSP boys are responsible for Warder, anyway?
>>47186217
It's not hard to imagine why Paizo would cow-tow to a larger publisher like KP. They make a heck of a lot more money off sales of a 5-page pamphlet of garbage like the Trickster than a handful of individual users who are mad enough to actually review the products. I honestly wonder how many of the untouched positive "reviews" of the Trickster were "legitimate".
>>47186200
Really m8?
It some alchemist RaW that simply does not work.
Natively alchemists have no CL. Thus they can not take item creation feats. However they receive Brew Potion as a bonus feat. They use their alchemist level as their CL when brewing the potion. However unlike normal potion brewing they have no caveat for reducing their CL when making it. An alchemist, by RaW, always makes a potion at their max CL.
The next thing is the numerous Errata and FAQs on how extracts work. They have had to be clarified time and again.
Next is how extracts themselves interact with the world as items, and bombs. When can an individual create a bomb, and from where? We know for a fact there is some component, but unlike other spells with insignificant cost components it requires no component pouch.
>>47186281
I can draw similar conclusions, yeah, but putting the fire under their asses on whatever live show he's going to ought to produce some interesting results.
>>47186250
The class is Chris's, with some editing on my end. The archetypes aside from Hawkguard are also Chris; Hawkguard was originally Ssalarn, with edits from Chris.
>>47186200
Nigga you dumb.
>>47186301
Well good on Chris. Warder's my favorite class by far.
>>47186301
Send him my FUCKIN' regards, G.
With the apostrophe.You're still my favorite though don't worry about it
>>47186300
>but putting the fire under their asses on whatever live show he's going to ought to produce some interesting results.
That's really not going to happen. They're not sitting down on a hard-hitting news program trying to get to the truth of matters. A few writers are gonna guests on a no-name live podcast where we hang out and talk about D&D stuff and answer chat questions.
>>47186353
Damn it, don't ruin my anti-paizo crusade with your fucking realism.
Favorite Astral encounters?
>>47186209
Seascarred.
How do I make Bolt Ace not suck absolute ass?
>>47186404
It's already literally 50 times better than Gunslinger, what the fuck else do you want?
>>47186049
I have to agree with >>47186097 that they need to realize that Radle's shit has massively changed the way people perceive their company. They used to be one of the 3PPs held in highest regard like DSP with quite a few offerings of pure gold like the White Necromancer and Spell-less Ranger. But stuff like having copywritten ads dropped into random threads that hit certain key words and the Trickster debacle that >>47186118 and >>47186208 mentioned have made them pretty much a laughing stock.
The Trickster really is the poster child for everything Kobold Press is doing wrong these days. They came into an already overpopulated space that's vastly dominated by Ertw's Beguiler and Ascension Games' Nightblade, dropped in a poorly constructed cobblework of class features borrowed from 3.5 classes, and then pitched a bitch fit when people called them on it. Even if they didn't actually demand that Paizo take down the critical reviews, public perception of their company these days is so poor that people have no trouble whatsoever believing that they did.
>>47185616
>Well, the sharks are already circling, the waters are red. Throw in your chum.
>Once an isolated northern realm of disorganized human tribes and petty kings, the Elven invaders from the arctic circle brought with them revolutionary ideas on government, agriculture and most importantly metallurgy
>Today, the Kingdom of Gevalia is a land of Half-Elves, as the Elven expeditionary force integrated famously with the natives and brought forth a unique ethnic group known as much for their competency as they are for their exotic beauty
>A nation of artisans, smiths and sages, Gevalians are as famous for their curiously intricate ceremonies as they are for their blades, the greatest of which are forged by Elven smiths who still remember their service in the first invasions
>The Kingdom of Gevalia is a land fractured into seven major clans, formed from the seven officers of the Elven invaders, who all swear undying loyalty to the Crown. The Crown is held by the commander of the original expeditionary force, and while it contains supreme religious authority and heavy weight in all matters diplomatic, true power lay in whichever Clan has been given the Crown's favor.They're basically post-viking Scandinavia smashed into Japan.
>>47186300
It'd be nice to get an honest answer, but unfortunately they'll probably just lie and say they had nothing to do with it and then Marc will go into his robotic, pre-written sales pitch for the Trickster.
>>47186284
>2016
>beign this retarded
>>47185811
5e ain't better, it's unfortunately been more or less abandoned and will never achieve the amount of material and support pathfinder has. It did have hope at first, though.
Try out unchained heroes as an alternative.
How do I calculate DPR?
Dear /pfg/,
Have a hankering to run either a Warsighted or Martial Master for fun (Don't think anything else gets Martial Flexibility). As hot garbage as I think it might be, I don't think it'll be that bad considering the typical power range my group runs.
Anyway, is there any sort of wondrous item or equipment that can grant an additional immediate action or a swift action out of turn in a pinch? If it's a consumable or a 1/day thing that's fine, mainly looking for something for emergencies.
>>47186404
Do not start before they got their first crossbow training.
After that, they are okayish. You are getting bracers of Falcon´s Aim, I take it?
>>47186554
>it's unfortunately been more or less abandoned
what
>>47186468
Feels... a bit "trying too hard"?
It's like a tourism brochure, rather than a travel advisory.
If you can make it more obvious with the rest of your work that it is in fact written by the Gevalian tourism board, then fucking genius, but otherwise, well let's face it half-elves are everywhere, and no one thinks they're unique (and they're as 'ethnic' as quadroons).
I'd say keep it but make it clear that, yeah, that's the brochure saying this. In which case you don't use the term "fractured", but rather something cheesy like "The Kingdom of Gevalia is a union of seven major clans..."
After that, elsewhere, you're going to have to be a bit more... uh... realistic. Maybe swap out the blades for something else for a bit of originality; maybe they actually have ultra-intricate crossbow-stocks or something.
Bard feats. As a purely support/skill monkey bard, what do I do with my feats?
>>47186608
Dude 5e is like 3 people now and their budget is "are these guys even being paid"
>>47186653
Whatever you want, senpai
Literally cannot go wrong
>>47186587
hit chance*damage+chance to critically threaten*crit confirmation chance*(crit modifier-1)*(damage-damage that does not apply on crits)
>>47185787
Elsbeth-anon takes feedback better than DDS does!
>>47186673
uh, there are exceptions.
*monkey lunge*
>>47186690
Well, when you ask someone "what should I eat today" and they say "whatever you want" they usually expect you to be intelligent enough to not pick literal shit and/or shards of glass
>>47186653
VMC into something nice.
>>47186705
"Literally cannot go wrong" implies that even if they did pick literal shit and shards of glass, by being a bard they would still achieve deliciousness from eating it.
Truly, this is not so.
But I'm just being pedantic.
>>47186754
If they were a Wizard it'd be true tho
>>47186754
Bards get prestidigitation
>>47186759
>I wish this was a steak dinner
>aaaawww yeah. poo.
Does anyone have the Lords of night PDF? I was looking at maneuvers to pick out for my Vampire Noble aegis when i recalled the playtest being spoken of a while back. From what I could gather online it is exactly what I was looking for, but I'm also interested in seeing stuff like PrCs within.
>>47186811
>Cycle the same food 3-4 times using prestidigitation to make sure you get ALL the nutrients out of it
Sounds like a Wizard thing to do
>>47186151
I thought the Artisan was pre-SoP DDS
>>47186463
This right here. Just read that post to them verbatim and let it sink in. Right now they're a joke, but they could get back to where they were if they were willing to actually work for it.
>Join Wayward Path
>Want to upkeep a travelogue via rhyme
>Don't know shit about poetry
>Start to doubt the idea
>Suddenly realize literally no one but me will bother to read it
>Crank out the rest
Phew, that was close! Haha!!
>>47186607
Eventually, yes. Unfortunately, the game started at lvl1, so I'm stuck occasionally doing 1d8 damage for a while
>>47186831
no_sense_of_right_and_wrong.jpg
>>47186209
There needs to be a werestag variant, with a gore attack.
>>47187011
A werestag would be dope as fuck.
Or, hell, a werehorse skinwalkerespecially because of implications with horse pussy/horse dick.
>>47187082
An unsightly beast
>>47186635
For what it's worth, it's in my Original: The Setting, where Elves are actually Daoine Sidhe (the race posted way back when by the DSP folks) and, outside of the arctic circleand moonare a tiny minority... Except for Gevalia.I'd type more, but I'm getting hit with an extreme case of the dumb.
>>47187256
Yes
What does /pfg/ think of the Dragon Disciple prestige class? Is there a build (preferably involving sorcerer levels) that's pretty much accepted as the best means to make the most out of the class?
>>47185811
Martials are more interesting in Pathfinder.
>>47187282
Funnily enough, it works pretty well with Magical Child-MC doesn't have much to lose by taking it, and gets a few nifty tricks to shore up its otherwise unimpressive class features.
how do I optimize a slayer that plans to work under the old school method of assassinating people (just walk up to them, suddenly pull out a knife and hope you stab them to death before they can react)
the sort of strategy where I stare at them for a coupe rounds for studied target/death attack bonuses and then go in
>>47187384
Bluff, stealth and sleight of hand.
>>47187437
I'm talking more maximizing my damage in a single surprise attack, I don't know which feat chain/ranger combat style would work the best for that shit
>>47187467
You'd be better off looking at Path of War, but even then, getting enough damage output in a single shot on a dagger is not something you can really do in PF.
>>47187296
Post baleeted!
Did mods strike!?
>>47187508
This, PF daggers just don't have enough DPR output outside of kukri dual-wielding.
With PoW on, I'd suggest either an intimidate mod maximizer into Black Seraph's Wrath (Should be racking an extra 50-60 profane damage by level 11 if done right)+a damage-heavy strike, or pickup a Stalker with a scythe, setup combat precognition+silver strike+the numerology totem trait through adopted+improved critical+critical edge for a 18-20/x4 roll three times, take highest, plus an additional number in the d20 auto-nat 20ing the thing.
>>47187467
The closest thing you can really get is the Assassinate Advanced Talent. This will require you to be lvl 10 and has several caveats.
What content are you allowed to use and at what level?
>tfw you go to take another look at the Alteration doc and the link is deleted
Is Possessed Shaman any good at all?
>>47187610
It's... right here??
>>47184244
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dUvSqJPOjCoXei1lean_sAjw2NmWonAEm47VQVSKfVo/edit#
>>47187467
There is a rogue talent for sneak attack on a surprise round and another rogie talent called underganded that maximizes your sneak attack dmg of the weapon was concealed, if you go ninja and flurry of stars you can do 100+ dmg on a surprise round with shuriken
>>47187639
Underhanded*
>>47187467
It's going to be hard to get your single attack damage high enough to drop an opponent in a surprise round outside of rusty dagger shanktown. Something like a ghastly claw beguiler is more suited to what you're trying to do where you can paralyze as a swift action and then coup de grace as a standard.
>>47187467
Short of death attacks, somehow wielding a gargantuan gravity dagger, quadruple vital strike, or grapple/pin/coup de grace, no.
>>47187635
>struggling to justify fixed Abberration forms instead of listening to fan feedback
This is why we don't respect Stack. He's only published one book and he's already burned his rep.
How does one optimize a blaster psion, assuming it probably won't go past level 12-14 campaignwise?
I need to make a lot of boom. A lot.
>>47187282
If you take all but the last two of DD, you can still get 9th level spells from Sorcerer.
>>47187725
Play a wilder. Wild surge = moar boooooom.
>>47187635
>Object Transformation
Oho, here we go. Combine this with Permanent Alteration and we have our Fashion Witch.
>break into palace
>visually become princess
>turn actual princess into panties, ability to talk/move slightly optional
>make it permanent
Alternatively, use this as a way for a noble to have her bodyguards on hand at all times in a non-obvious way, ready to shift back and protect her at any given moment.
>>47187828
>That greentext
>>47187467
>Weapon must be big. very big. Start big and get bigger. At least +2 sizes, and that needs to at least put you in the 3 dice range.
>If you will be critting as much as possible, focus on things that are multiplied by it. "Flaming" bad, "Collision" good
So, dagger not good. Try using something more proper, like a Halberd or Earthbreaker, for your sneaky backstabbing. I suggest the latter, as if you can get one to count as huge that's already 6d6. Daevics, Aegii, and Initiators are the happiest when it comes to one bigass blow... at least in terms of what you shake in your hands for the big roll.
But, all of that is melee.
If you want ranged, we have... other options. They aren't really there for coup-de-grace, but IF you have certain very specific, very special builds whose only real purpose is to pull this off (you could do better with a longbow as usual after all) there are a handful of Tech heavy weapons that can perform almost longbow-worthy vital strikes and/or criticals.
We're talking "adamantine boulder only provides a bit of concealment" here. Of course, you'll want something for pesky immunities...
>>47187828
You could already do that with Fleshcrafting and other essential Creation Talents.
Heck, we've already talked about in length in older generals how to use Fleshcrafting to turn people into statues and weapons in an "I have no mouth and I must scream" kind of way.
>>47187828
>Object Transformation
We /d/ now.
>>47187871
>implying your discomfort doesn't increase the appeal for me
Don't even get me started on Fusion
>>47187876
Important difference: That's an Advanced talent. This chungo thought it was a good idea to give Creation's schtick to Alteration AS A BASIC
>>47186049
Ask them about this fucking class.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/kobold-press/ascetic
>>47186301
Query for you:
If you crit with a collision weapon, would you multiply the +5 damage, or would that not work because it's a 'weapon special ability?'
>>47187805
I could, but for the how I meant more along the lines of what powers and metas I might need. Like, when should you hustle instead of quicken, is "concussive onslaught" capable of stacking (I saw this question asked earlier so now I have it too), and how do we avoid the problem of everything always making its save unless it was going to die anyways by overkill because of a GM screen?
>>47187903
Hence why I reamed him over it on the playtest doc
>>47187894
what about it?
>>47187951
>that picture
NO. NO. TOO SOON ANON. ALWAYS TOO SOON.
>>47187951
that show blew donkey balls and that's the only scene worth a damn
>>47187922
it's static damage. it's "extra dice" that does not get multiplied.
This is the value of collision: it gives 5 instead of 7 (two dice average) for the same +2, but is not energy-typed (individual 1d6s vs a few 5 res if it's the only die of that element you have basically just disappeared after all) and multiplies.
It would also multiply on mythic vital, if I recall.
>>47187828
>Witch Girls Adventures
Oh no not again.
>>47187951
Probably shouldn't find that funny. But I do.
>>47187922
I'll answer this later (patent pending); my books are not close to me right now.
>>47187975
That is indeed it's designed purpose for me, I just want to be very careful about how I employ multiplying damage across my build.
>>47187947
>implying he'll listen
>>47188045
>[ ] Wake me up inside
>[x] CAN'T WAKE UP
>>47188045
>>47187947
I admit I didn't read the entire previous thread, but it seems like that kind of 'constructive criticism' is more likely to drive people away from actually listening.
'Reaming' him, may not be the best way to convince him to fix it. Not that I'm against a reaming now and then.
>>47188022
the answer's yes; it's static damage.
in fact, the only "that can't be right" confusion with collision is that it's so damn squeaky clean and straightforward.
to anyone playing pathfinder, that means there *has* to be something we've missed.
>>47188096
We started polite, we started fair, and he also had a chance with a previous book.
But instead of listening, he went "nuh-uh, that not how I want it! I don't care!"
Now, there are no more dreams, and we must forsake the staff for the rod.
>>47187993
What's this now?
>Initiators and casters should get along
>>47188179
If you don't already know, preserve your innocence and don't ask.
>>47188215
Of course they do, hence why Bladecaster and Warpaths exist.
I mean, these aren't North and South Belgians we're talking about here
>>47188270
No, anon. I want to know more. My desire to know more is most intense right now.
>>47186046
I comb the internet and see no mention of an official beguiler class in PF. Just the old 3.5e business, which was admittedly very cool.
Is it 3rd party?
>>47188355
>an actually good class not being 3rd party
What game do you think we are playing?
>>47188297
>>47188355
Try Mesmerist. Despite /pfg/'s general hate for Paizo, one advantage of the Mesmerist is that it doesn't get shut down by literally anything with a good Will save, by virtue of being able to outright drop said Will saves.
Part of me feels like the biggest issue in the Alteration book, besides those mentioned, is the Fast Healing and Regeneration traits.
Like, really. Give the entire party Right-Proper Regeneration forever via permanent transformation? At level 10? Hrm.
>>47188384
I really do.
>>47188438
>the biggest issue, besides all the others
Now we're starting to accept it.
I haven't read it, but yeah, full regen is pretty ridiculous without plot/ GM applied template reasons.
>>47188384
It's not that bad. Sure it's a trainwreck in terms of getting away with anything, but if you're into the stuff they get spells for it's not bad.
>>47186097
"A bunch of Internet randoms called you a cunt, what're you going to do about it punk"?
>>47188438
Remember that fast healing and regeneration are not that hard to negate. You have to choose two from a list of very common damage types that negate it. All it really does it mean that people no longer have to sleep every time the healer is out of HP donations for the day and stops people from dying instantly to surprise damage spikes.
There are any templates to make PoW maneuver cards? Makes playing way more easier.
>>47188438
The biggest issue is that it tries to become Transmutation 2.0, by taking all the abilities and skills of the other spheres and making them more powerful
>>47188487
Fast healing doesn't get negated, but a lot of monsters and creatures just DO NOT HAVE ACCESS to the damage types needed to shut you down, or things to bypass it.
It might be surmountable for PCs, but that's why full regeneration is usually a monster trait, NOT a PC one. We can deal with it. They can't.
>>47188487
Uh... Fire and acid don't automatically stop regeneration. That's really specific to the type of regen, just like damage reduction.
>>47188376
I-I quite enjoy playing a vivisectionist alchemist, anon.
Is...is that ok?
Paladins and bards are prettyfuntoo.I like to splash swashbuckler.
What're some other 3pps that are best avoided?
>>47188676
the Adamant Entertainment Warlock is a special kind of bad.
>>47188676
All Skybourne stuff from DDS, as well as their Channeler, Spiritualist, and Aspect.
Heroes of the Jade Oath by Rite Publishing. just looking at it is an eyesore
>>47186954
Ah, a pity. IMO the bolt ace has a hard time at levels 2-4 due to not getting any stat to damage. Just try to make sure you have the most arrows in the air and in the enemy.
>>47187282
Passable, but niche gish PrC, Most people take 4 or 8 levels to minimize caster loss. The stat bonuses are nice, and if you already have draconic bloodline the bonuses start stacking up nicely. I am only sad they do not give you the full half-dragon template and instead give you Form of the Dragon 2 (which if you are a sorcerer, you would know anyway from the bloodline) .The full template might be worth the third caster level loss.
A half-dragon Nagaji could be a pretty sick beast.
>>47188487
Fast Healing is one thing, because Fast Healing doesn't allow a character with it to become immune to damage. It does all the things you said it does.
Regeneration allows a character to become immune to damage under the right circumstances, not to mention that most PCs can find a way to either become extremely resistant or outright immune to a particular elemental damage type, which is something that monsters with regen don't have because otherwise they would be unkillable.
In the interest of fairness though, I will note some things I like about the Alteration book.
I like the ability to spend talents and feats to get more Alteration traits.
Powerful Limbs I like, as an expansion of your ability to use Alteration purely as a self-improvement thing, without changing your form in some way.
Arcane Grip: Fuck Freedom of Movement. Even if it's not a 100% hardcounter like Freedom of Movement fucking deserves, I'm glad this exists.
Transformation and Improved Transformation are awesome.
>>47188761
And their spheres classes
>>47188871
Hedgewitch, Fey Adept, and an unarchetyped Thaumaturge are actually good though.
>>47188890
Most of the Spheres classes are alright. Even Mageknight's pretty cool.
Armorist is the most disappointing of the lot, but I still love them. They get some neat archetypes.
>>47188907
Personally, I houserule that Armorists can choose their casting stat, and have Int+4 for skills.
>>47188932
It's a good change.
>>47188869
What was the response to feedback like?
What class is best a providing support from a low level while not even being there? I was thinking of taking leadership, but due to character reasons the cohort wouldn't come with my character very often. I know that crafting is a good option, but I was thinking of something a bit more interesting that just a gold saver.
>>47189035
Changes are being made, as far as I can tell.
I'm going to be 100% fair to Stack here.
His ideas might be a bit off the mark sometimes, but he does, to his credit, seem to take feedback. Like, Destruction's focus on battlefield control isn't anywhere as strong as it was when the Doc first came out.
Someone explain this?
>>47189161
My sorcerer takes advantage of a level 5 bard follower stacking CL upgrades for heroism and casts it on the entire party before we teleport out. That and tears to wine add up to a not bad early advantage during the initial scouting phase.
>>47189197
Golden Lion Style didn't use to have the 1/round limitation. Combined with Paired Opportunists and Seize the Opportunity, it was easy to get the whole thing into an AoO loop of death.
>>47187951
>>47189595
Now I remember that one gif where it's this, but nothing happens after he presses the button and he sheds a tear.
Someone sell me on Mesmerist vs just playing a Kitsune Sorcerer. I get that mesmerist is supposed to be "better at enchanting", but is it really worth it over the raw power of a sorcerer, especially with the arcane bloodline?
>>47189729
Just play the sorcerer.
>>47185811
What's Mouseguard?
>>47189729
The Mesmerist is better when it's time to stab a bitch and trick your friends into doing cool stuff, but if you're going for raw magical power the sorcerer is the way to go.
>>47185811
>5e
>all but abandoned
>mouseguard
>furry shit
nah
>>47189812
I agree, 5e is dead, but hell, I enjoyed Redwall.
>>47188676
Avoid Kobold Press' Trickster like the plague. Shit is boring and broke.
>>47189729
Why not split the difference and play a beguiler?
>>47189990
Abeguiler, beguiler beguiler?
>>47190011
It'sthe only way to beguile a beguiling beguiler beguiler before he beguiles her.
>>47189990
But that requires a GM willing to use it
>>47189812
>mouseguard
>furry shit
They're not furry they're just mice.
>>47190146
Sorry, default here is to assume your DM is reasonable enough to allow the beguiler. My apologies and condolences.
>>47190146
>tfw LotLK has a beguiler in the party
So is Beguiler a T1 class?
>>47190163
Who published them/where can I find it?
I know nothing about it, but people are speaking reasonably about it.
>>47190191http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qmqe&page=10?Beguiler-conversion-for-Pathfinder
It's homebrew, but it's really well-done and constantly updating with new material.
Anyone got screenshots from the new Inner Sea Intrigue? I gotta see if the sex talent is as degenerate as I've been led to believe.
>>47188514
Use the Tome of Battle ones as a basis to create your own?
>>47190224
>sex talent
The orgasmo touch or was there another one?
>>47190224
>sex talentI want in on this too
>>47190224
>>47190255
You mean this one?
>>47190246
The one which gives vigilantes save re-rolls in saving throws for having sex.
>>47190224
>>47190246
>>47190255
Companion to the Lonely.
Fuck someone for an hour, and get a pool of will save and cha-skill rerolls.
>>47190255
The sex talent is 'fuck someone for an hour, get a pool of points equal to the highest of your CHA modifiers that you can use to reroll will saves and CHA-based checks'.
The Enchanting Courtesan is a 10 level PrC that includes such goodies as magic handjobs and orgasm touch.
>>47190289
Nope, it's the vigilante "Comfort for the Lonely" social talent; but thanks for the courtesan stuff!
>>47190163
>implying a DM not allowing this homebrew class is automatically unreasonable
>implying having nice things is default unless you're a wizard
I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but that's a bit of a bold statement. That said, I might as well take a look, and maybe show it to my DM, but considering I'm having a hard time getting anyone interested in PoW, I don't have high hopes.
>>47190296
For some reason, Innocuous servant just keeps cracking me up.
Not even a lewds thing, just the idea of a party rogue who makes a conscious plan to be as good at dressing up as a maid as possible and has that as a go-to tactic when the party needs info.
>>47190173
Low end T2 at best.
>>47190345
Why would you play it over Sorcerer then? It's an inferior choice.
>>47190354
It must be boring to play in a party of nothing but wizards.
>>47190354
Because if you're actually worried about inferior/superior, you wouldn't be playing a Sorcerer, either. On top of being subhuman scum who tamper with powers they can't understand, they get spells later than their Wizard brethren.
>>47190337
>Not playing a Stalker who picks this up by trading for a Rogue talent
>Not being the Battle Meido
>>47190296
Thanks based PicAnon!
>>47190337
If only Paizo would be willing to make combat feats that got better at higher levels, in at least a similar manner to this.
Seriously, if this was like a combat feat, it'd be
>Innocuous Servant: you can disguise yourself as a maid
>Innocuous Servitor: you get a +2 disguise bonus when you disguise yourself as a maid
>Innocuous Chief Maid: your bonuses from Innocuous Servitor are increased to +4
>>47190445
Don't forget that the initial feat requires Skill Focus: Disguise!
>>47190337
>>47190445
>"Blast. Not another nobleman. How does this cult keep getting members of the upper class to join?" The sorcerer groaned.
>"I don't know, but we're going to need an airtight case against him if we're going to do anything about it. We need some way to get a closer look at what he's doing–"
>"Do you need me to infiltrate his house?" The rogue piped up.
>"No, Sophie, you've been taking all the risks on this mission. Maybe this time Grigori and I should–" The paladin paused, realizing the rogue was already mostly changed and adjusting her headdress. "...Well, if you're sure. But be careful." He sighed, shaking his head.
>"Sometimes I wonder about that girl," the sorcerer muttered as the rogue sauntered off.
>"She's getting better results than when the fighter was drawing the short straw, at least," the paladin sighed.
>>47190354
Because it's fun.
>>47190337
>>47190388
>>47190476
Does anyone have that pic of Red Mage doing this in 8-bit Theater?
So currently I'm in a level 7 group mainly composed of first time players (like 1d8+3 damage every turn level of first time), and I need to make a new character.
The current party composition is unoptimised medium, unoptimised Fey Adept (that doesn't use illusions), unoptimised Soul Blade, and a healbot oracle.
Most likely I'll fall into the striker/front line role, but I also want to keep my damage output in check while remaining mechanically flexible.
I'm currently torn between
1) Arcane duelist
2) Dervish Dancer
3) Vigilante Warlock
4) Warsoul Psychic Armorist
5) Bladebound Kensai
6) Armorist (From Spheres of Power)
Which do you think would be the best? Any other recommendations?
>seduction inquisition
>sex for diplomacy bonuses
This character's starting to cum together...
>>47190753
Why does imrijka look like she have downs?
>>47190753
The lack of Wis-to-social really hurts it.
>>47190766
That's just her O-face
>>47190766
The artist had just been informed they were being paid in exposure?
>>47190766
It's not really her.
It's obviously 3 Goblins standing on each other's shoulders, with the middle one holding a pair of green rubber balls discreetly and all rolling high Disguise results.
>>47190753
>Inspire Devotion
>You need a talent to get people to think "Sex with him/her is good, I want to be friends with him/her for more sex."
WOW
>>47190766
Half-Orc.
>>47190799
>O-face
Orc face?
>>47190718
Go Warsoul.
>>47190886
No, its what you kids nowadays call Ahaego
>>47190929
But that's backwards, they used to call it O-face, and it changed more recently. Also, it's spelled ahegao.
Which book can I find the psionics 2 class archetypes like the soulknife's rageblade?
>>47190296
Physical intimacy! It does not have to be the sexual! It could be holding the hands or the cuddling!
Companion of the lonely does not have to into sexual.
>>47191327
You're too pure for this world, anon-kun.
>>47187282
it is a nice way to for for a heavy hitting melee bard build, especially one that is a half orc going for heavy intimidate use.
With Scaled Disciple for kobolds(and humans with the right features) you can take oracle, huntter and inquisitor for the Dragon Disciple which opens itself to a lot of fun options.
>>47190718
Half giant Aberrant aegis with tentacles for grappling & initiators soul -> broken blade for wrecking faces.
>>47190766
They needed to make room for the text, so rather than scale the image they squished down just her head
>>47191358
Anon confirmed for Chosen One?
>>47191378
Chosen Ones can be incredibly lewd.
>>47191376
As I said, not too powerful.
>>47191358
>>47191327
You could even walk them home gently for an hour.the point mainly is that 'physical intimacy' does not have to be explicitly sexual, it could just be skinship
>>47190296
>>47191327
That description is really lame. I was expecting something like you get a bonus on social skills against anyone you've personally bedded before.
As is, it sounds kind of edgy.
>>47191327
nope, specifically has to be an act of physical pleasure.
>>47191397
Grappling isn't too powerful, however the options available to aegis allow you to step up to whatever challenges you encounter.
>>47191451
You tried Thai massage before, anon?
>>47191451
Cuddling is physical and pleasurable.
>>47191427
>Cuddling with neglected souls to help them and yourself feel better
>Edgy
Is this a version of the word I'm not familiar with? I know language evolves.
>>47191451
>Not taking physical pleasure from a good headpat or an hour of comfy hand-holding
Is the vigilante or any of its archetypes good?
Or is it just one big trap for both my money and my time?
>>47191451
I find hugging physically pleasureable and emotionally fulfilling. You trying to tell me I'm having pretend enjoyment?
>>47191451
I want toheadpata skinwalker for Will saves, and maybe evenbrush their tail.
>>47191472
>getting off on hand-holding
I want this meme to die.
>>47191492
>mfw I'm headpatting a Skinwalker in my current campaign
>mfw she *loves* it
>>47190296
>Magical Child can get Companion to the Lonely
>They'll never be short of a willing partner because they'll always have their familiar
>>47191493
Nobody said it had to be sexual pleasure, just physical! Hand-holding can be very intimate.
>>47191518
>Magical Child
>Can get Companion of the Lonely
>She can even use it on her familiar
NO
STOP
THIS IS TOO LEWD
>>47191211
Rageblade would be Psionics Augmented: Soulknife
>>47191472
The ability is about the Vigilante using sex to cope with the loneliness of their double-life.
Imagine if Batman drowned himself in cheap hookers because he was SO SAD.
That just seems stupid to me.
>>47191518
>Meguka child vigilante cuddling with their coobie while readan a book
People would complain.
>>47191574
>Imagine if Batman drowned himself in cheap hookers because he was SO SAD.
Really?
I imagined it more like Anaconda raping Nightwing after they killed Blockbuster.
>>47191490
It's a fairly middling class-it's got some flavorful features and abilities you can take, and in the right kind of campaign, it could be great fun, but it doesn't really do anything you couldn't also do with another class and some tinkering.
Archetypes are, for the most part, much like the class itself-flavorful, but not exactly earth-shattering (the exception being the Brute, which is absolutely terrible, and Paizo should feel bad for making it).
>>47191563
Why even adventure like that?
Just hold high-quality sex shows for the elite for mad buxx.
>>47191622
>Just hold high-quality sex shows for the elite for mad buxx.
But a Magical Child is like... 14.
>>47191574
Ooooor it's about a Shelynite vigilante who uses the freedom of their double life to comfort people ostracized by society by offering them affection when the world has failed to do so!
Broaden your mind! Let down your guard! Not everything is awful.
>>47191574
>implying that someone holding you tight and telling you that you're a good boy/girl and you're doing the right thing isn't okay.
Eunuch's used to pay prostitutes just to hold them. Canada had a small industry of 'professional cuddlers' that did not into lewds.
>>47185787
>>47186689<3
>>47191622
>Pseudodragon shows
>5 GP
>>47191516
How shameless! Next you'll be telling me youscritch her ears!
>>47191650
>Not everything is awful
I need that on a mug.
>>47191641
Yeah?
And?
Humans are listed as "Adult" at 15 in Golarion.
Wait one year if you're afraid of jailtime.
Or don't and go straight for the MAD mad buxx, like a sane individual.
>>47191671
My character would easily shell out a couple thousand to see a barely legal meguka babuka give a shoujo boujo to some kind of large animal.
>>47191650
>>47191661
It's still kind of stupid.
Might as well houserule the ability as the Vigilante indulging in drugs or alcohol for an hour to cope and get the same ability.
Paizo is just obsessed with sex.
