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New Improved OP image: now with extra genestealers! edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
New sisters whe-
>>46970139
inb4 faggots bitch about the chicken still being there.
>>46970150
Heresy!
>>46970139
>Warhammer 40,00
We've gone back in time!
>>46970139
>It's a 'GW writes shitty rules for Orks and CSM because people buy them no matter what and OP rules for Tau and Elfdar because no one would buy their models otherwise' 40k General episode
>>46970139
needs more chickens
>>46970139
First for Chaos Marines are better off than Orks.
>>46970176
We we already got one faggot who's bitching about the bitching.
The chicken is holding a spot for the next full codex release.
Stygies VIII a best!
Orks are made for fightin' and losin'
eldar, harlequin, dark eldar
needs corsairs.
>>46970229
Not enough genestealers
>>46970238
>>46970238
Ork players is made for whining and... well whining pretty much
>>46970255
I actually play blood angels, Are you telling me only ork players get to shitpost?
>>46970255
Then what are CSM and nidfags made for? :^)
http://www.totellstories.com/40k/
>>46970252
But anonthey're all genestealers
I like the Genestealer hybrid
>>46970235
>Stygies VIII a best!
Look at me, so cool! I wear red and black because those are the colors of blood and chaos, which means I'm dangerous! And my planet is named after the river of the dead, which means I'm dangerous and cool!
>>46970139
>No Corsairs in OP
Sort that shit out.
>>46970305
Genestealers are like Dakka. There's never enough.
>>46970210
While I think there were plenty of people who bought Tau and Eldar just because (look at how popular they were in 5E and 4E respectively, when they sucked) the sales and rules for things like Riptides, Stormsurge, WK, and 6E Wave Serpents, and new Jetbikes definitely were business related and you can even see some of those units sold out on release.
But that makes me wonder about space marines. Space Marines are getting really strong rules but they were already the overwhelmingly best seller. What gives?
>>46970361
>Eldar use guns that shoot shuriken discs
>the dead bodies all have neat little bullet holes
Better strawpoll: Which army has the least annoying playerbase?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10076846
>>46970401
Blood splatter patterns and wound on the right most corpse look like they were killed by flying buzzsaws.
>>46970450
Not counting obscure factions like mini-dexes and FW armies, I'm gonna go with DE, simply because they are the fewest in number and aren't as loud as the other vocal minorities.
>>46970401
you realize that corsairs, which are what is pictured, dont exclusively use shuriken weapons?
>>46970255
I'd simulate my penis in her vagina, if you know what I mean.
>>46970450
I've never heard or seen AdMech fans being annoying.
>>46970345
And your point is?
Thats how "cool" works. Do you want pink fluffy warriors from planet buttsex ?We already have Emperors Children
>>46970450
Space Marines should really be divided in the different factions/codices, because discussing vanilla is a complete clusterfuck, BA can be annoying sometimes, DA and SW are more often then not the victim of trolls while the GK are "ok", except for the fact that occasionally (but much less then DA or SW) they are reason of hate because of their OPness in 5th, Draigo and/or what happened to the Sister in the 5th codex
>>46970540
They are generally bretty gud guyz if they aren't using War Convo in a meta they shouldn't be.
I hope they get a combined codex and the stuff they need to make a more well rounded army without resorting to the power formation.
>>46970540
>has never seen techpriest spam
Nigger please, keep trying to pretend you're not a Mechfag. The only people who don't find Mechanicus grating as fuck are people who like them.
Shorter lance, or longer but more obviously converted from Eldar parts lance?
>>46970553
There isn't even CSM on the list. I think that's a more important distinction to worry about.
>>46970586
Shorter.
>>46970540
thats because admech has no fans
>>46970586
The longer one looks like shit. You might be able to grab a longer Eldar style wraithbone barrel from a larger tank on eBay, or maybe build your own, but using the crystal as an extension isn't a good idea and makes no sense.
>>46970568
If that rumor about the AdMech and Skitarii getting rolled together turns out true you might be in luck.
>>46970581
Tech Priest spam?
>>46970586
I'd say shorter, though it depends what you're using it for.
>>46970610
>Admech has no fans
>all their kits were in the top 28 best sellers list last year
>>46970612
The crystal is a native part of the barrel. I'd need to trim it off, not use it as an extension.
>>46970610
I like Admech. Their stuff is really cool looking in a 1950s vision of the future kind of way.
(I am a Necron player though).
>>46970593
I just noticed that. Something isn't right here.
>>46970633
>top 28
Lol. I was 28th place in the Olympics guys!
>>46970633
>WAACfaggots who run decurion
>fans of anything
lol
They need to make an Inquistion Start Collecting box. I want to buy some acolytes and servitors at below heart breaking prices.
>>46970397
>But that makes me wonder about space marines. Space Marines are getting really strong rules but they were already the overwhelmingly best seller. What gives?
Space marine players confirmed for biggest whiners. ' Rabaeh my genetic supermen got beat up by fagootelfs, help"
And so 4 retarded psychic powers, the grav weapons (in its current form) and whole lot of shitty formatons came into being
>>46970629
Magnetising all the Knight types, that includes Lancer.
>>46970653
Explains why Marines haven't been getting -any- votes if that includes CSM
>>46970678
As big as a fan of marines I am I know the marine fans can be bothersome to say the least. I just now noticed that there is no choice for daemons.
>>46970674
Ah, then Shorter for sure. If it was for a looted Orks thing looking like eldar is okay, but the fire prism crystal is very distinct.
>>46970638
For some reason I thought you used the old fire prism crystal and glued it to the base. What happened to the plastic web on the top half of the crystal? The new fire prism cannon looks okay out of the box.
Last time posting for advice.
I have a game this weekend against an Ultramarine Battle Company at 2000pts.
Have only played regular space marines once before (same guy) at 1500 and I wasn't using formations since I didn't have all the units.
Now I have everything I need for a decent Reclamation Legion but I hear there is a bit of a stigma against it.
From what I understand though a Battle Company can be pretty strong and since I don't bring the cheesy formations ( I don't own Wraiths and I only have three Destroyers) I was wondering if just the Reclamation Legion and a Royal Court would be fair.
Is the RL only really overpowered when you include the good formations?
1996/2000
Reclamation Legion
Overlord - 145
>Solar Staff, Tachyon arrow, Resurrection Orb
10 Immortals - 300
>Night Scythe
8 Lychguard - 370
>Night Scythe, Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield
2x10 Warriors - 235
>Ghost Ark
20 Warriors - 260
>Walk with the RL's OL
3 Tomb Blades - 66
>Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, TL Gauss Blaster
Royal Court
Orikan the Diviner - 120
Vargard Obyron - 120
Overlord - 145
>Veil of Darkness, Gauntlet of Fire, Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarab
All I can do for 2500 is add the Annihilation Nexus (Doomsday Ark and 2 Annihilation Barges) which will only bring me to 2406 so I need like 5 more Tombblades unfortunately. I know he has the Armored Task Force as well he could bring for 2500.
>>46970666
>>46970678
>>46970704
>thread is just full of people whining about space marines
>everyone just bitches about space marines, every edition, even when they were crap like in 2E, 3E, 4E, late 5E
Kind of proves space marine players aren't the whiniest players, unless you're whining about your own faction.
>>46970704
>>46970678
Gee I wonder who can be behind this poll?
>>46970610
No they do.
They used to whine even more than sisterfans about wanting some models, as if the 2 enginseers an 4 servitors were not enough for admech.
They are busy painting and oogling the models they literally waited decades for, to be annoying right now. And yes I know a person who waited 12 years for that. Even has a whole converted IG.
>>46970716
On the sprue I've got, one third of the crystal webbing is moulded to the barrel and the other two thirds are separate pieces.
GIVE ME A FUCKING ASSAULT VEHICLE DEDICATED TRANSPORT WITH 20 MAN CAPACITY, RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
>>46970718
Hi there. Saw your posts before but I have been busy.
RL is not oppressively good without Canoptek Harvest or the destroyer cult, as Necrons have difficulty with movement and don't fare well in melee combat.
Nexus is really bad without very specific support (skyshield landing pad and running a few formations of it. The arty shoots from the skyshield, the skimmers act as objective takers with a 30 inch movement speed).
Don't use TW Gauss blasters on the tomb blades. TL gauss is inferior to TL tesla against Space Marines, coming out by a fraction when in rapid fire range but otherwise coming out behind.
You need some way to guarantee your scythes come in early, either spend 50 points on a communications array or switch the royal court Overlord for Imotekh.
Necron's are not as good against vehicles as they seem, you need to be very close and focus fire for it to function. Either you need Heavy Destroyers, Doom Scythes, or Command Barges with Scythes to go cut up transports and heavy vehicles.
I have lost against an ATF as Necrons before. It is rough if you cannot pop transports easily.
>>46970892
plz. give the orks one too, then we can all be happy.
>>46970938
Literally the battlewagon
>>46970938
Aren't Battlewagons Dedicated Transports?
>>46970892
>>46970938
I'm surprised you can't do that with the Forgeworld Battle Wagon or Stompa.
They have a transport capacity of 20 don't they?
>>46970892
>I want to lose a third of my army in one turn
>>46970610
I love AdMech, always have.
Going to pick up their Start Collecting box, how are they as an army? Pros and cons? And is the Dominus Maniple that it comes with any good?
>>46971028
Forgot to add reduce all units point cost to 0, so I can finally "win".
Still needs BA, DA, and SW. And we need to split Admech up. And get rid of the extra scion.
>>46971143
Ad mech and space marines are represented.
>>46971028
>like 400 points tops
>1/3rd of your army
nice math
>>46970235
Stygies VIII is my favorite fluff-wise and color-wise, with Metalica being in second.
The Xenarites of Stygies VIII are pretty cool, especially since they like to investigate Xeno tech, because they believe that the Omnissiah guides not only them, but the Eldar as well, since Sam Hainn(?) helped them fight off traitor legions during the Horus Heresy, which us why they like to investigate Xeno tech, because they believe that the Omnissiah guides the Eldar, it's not tech-heresy.
There's also the fact that the Inquisition, the Mechanicus/Other Skitarii Legions, and Chaos have all waged war against them at one point or another.
Now-a-days, everyone just leaves them be, so long as they keep quiet about what they do.
I always see folks referring to 2+ rerollable cover save when it comes to Ravenwing but I only get the rerollable part. Didn't the Darkshroud only give stealth? Would someone please catch me up?
Anyone looking forward to the flyer update?
>>46971241
skilled rider gives a +1 to jink saves
>>46971242
No and you should be ashamed for even suggesting it!
>>46971256
Ahhhhhh. Okay got it. So just the command squad/black knights then. Thanks anon.
>>46971190
>>like 400 points tops
A Spartan is already 300 points empty, numbnuts.
>>46971322
>spartan
i never said anything about a spartan you dumbfuck.
i want a big AV13/12/12 20 man rhino for 70 points
>>46971242
Yknow, if some friends and I happened to own multiple flyers, an air based dogfight campaign with those rules would be pretty dope. Promoting fighter aces and squadron leaders and shit.
I want a maverick style hotshot nephilim pilot pissing off techmarines and upgrading his engines...
>>46971383
>someone uses existing rules template for such a concept (assault vehicle 20 man transport)
>points would come out to 1/3 of your army if you loaded it with 20 men
>HUR DUR NICE MATH GENIUS
>I DIDN"T EVEN SAY ANYTHIGN ABOUT SPARTANS DUMBFUCK
You're a fucking moron, you didn't say anything about ANYTHING other than 20 man assault vehicle. And that would take over 33% of your points in the current game design.
>>46971241
>>46971298
>just finished 2 more dark reapers
oh who am I kidding, the marine players in my area are space wolves and salamanders.
oh, well dark reapers are still good.
>>46971424
>being so fucking retarded that you think a 13/12/12 fancy rhino is comparable in points cost to a av 14/14/14 5hp mega LR/almost superheavy
you are literally retarded
>>46971561
You never mentioned 13/12/12 at all except your two posts just now.
>>46971383
>>46971561
You're the fucking retard. You need to be more specific BECAUSE THE SPARTAN FUCKING EXISTS.
>>46971588
what part of
>>46970892
made you think i wanted a stupid 350 point land raider that is already available to me?
>>46971588
Who are you even replying to at this point?
>>46971561
>>46971588
You're both retarded. A well-armoured 20 man assault rhino would end up more than 100 points, and assuming the more expensive landraiders when talking about assault transports is also dumb.
>>46971613
oh yeah i forgot that was a dedicated transport..
oh wait..
nice try dumbfuck
>>46971635
>A well-armoured 20 man assault rhino would end up more than 100 points,
Jokes on you its costs 70 points.
>>46971614
>what part of this description of a Spartan made you think I wanted a Spartan
It's almost as if the morons who are too stupid to capitalize really are stupid in real life, every single time. Who knew?
>>46971424
>>46971561
Girls, girls, you're both pretty.
>>46971655
Fuck off retard.
>>46971655
>he thinks spartans are dedicated transports
kek go back to eating paint chips you drooling retard
>>46971707
>40kgeneral
>posts 30k
literally braindamaged
>>46971672
>Fuck off, retard.
Fixed. Remember, stay in school, kids, or you'll end up like this guy, raging impotently on 4chan.
>>46971727
Link me to a post where you said it had to be 40k.
I'm waiting.
>>46971745
This moron doesn't say ANYTHING. That's how this whole shitfest started to begin with: his shittily worded, vague ass posts.
For all intents and purposes, he might have well have been frog-raging about "I wish Spartans were DTs", because that fits all the shit he typed. Then he gets called out for it and starts sperging out and raging and calling everyone dumbfuck.
>>46971383
Gods do you look before you type?
Go get the 20 man assault pod or something. Make sure you stop posting as well.
>>46971680
>Makes request
>Others show were to find it
>Throws fit
It's faggots like you that make other CSM players look bad.
Medically retarded.
>>46971745
>actually being mentally handicapped
yeah wow whod have thought it be talking about 40k in the 40k general
>>46971764
>illiterate retard who thinks spartans are dedicated transports
>the same subhuman mongrel who thinks that 400 is 1/3rd of 1850
unsurprised
Quick question that googling didn't really help with:
If I run my Great Unclean One with the Corruption upgrade (hits automatically wound. Use bearers S for instant death and pens) would the corruption wounds be resolved at AP2 since it's a monstrous creature?
The corruption profile is S:* AP:-
>>46971948
Yes it would, all his close combat attacks are resolved at ap2 because of the smash special rule.
>>46970593
>implying anyone would vote CSM players as the least annoying.
It doesn't need to be there.
>>46970718
As a space marine player I am not a fan of the reclamation legion but if I was going to bring out my whole battle company than I wouldn't really have a foot to stand on.
How do I play harlequins? Like this? Does this work?
>>46972149
You've got the right idea
>>46970139
>Order direct from gw.
>Shit hasn't showed up 2 weeks later.
I forgot that gw uses carrier pigeons.
>>46972222
why would you voluntarily pay like 25% more?
Generals need their own board. Stop shitting up /tg/
>>46972286
why don't we make a new board for each post so that nobody finds anything ever again
>>46972357
seconding this idea
>>46972272
it could be a web exclusive. They're hard to find on ebay and your flgs can't order them.
That's the only decent reason I can think of.
110 replys, 50 of them about which army whines the most/is most annoying.
Sweet thread. 40k general is just shitposting with a 40k theme.
>>46972486
Nigger, do you realize you're on 4chan?
>>46972486
>Sweet thread. 40k general is just shitposting with a 40k theme.
you are only realizing this now?
>>46972486
same thing happens every thread. now we have more requests on the OP image
The boys and I are going to take advantage of an addition 10% off at the FLGS. I'm starting my Dark Eldar and need some more plastic cocaine. Currently I have a Venom and 20 Kabalites. I want to spend $100 or so, I can go a bit higher, but not much. I was thinking an Archon, a Raider, and....I'm drawing a blank. Can you guys help? I kind of want to run the Kabalite Raiding party, but I'm not sure yet because I don't really know what's strong with the DE aside from Venom spam.
>>46970937
Thanks for the great post. I have Imotekh but arent communication arrays an imperial guard thing?
I will keep the Tombblade thing in mind, does that mean I should use Tesla on my immortals as well?
Already built the Nexus because I wanted a big cannon but I haven't tried it yet.
I was looking into the praetorian formation with the stalker, how is that one?
>Necron's are not as good against vehicles as they seem
I am finding this out more and more. When I started everyone told me that Gauss was super strong and it was all I needed but it isn't great.
>>46972094
Yeah since I run 4 troops I think the RL provides much needed protection. I once went against Space Wolves and the Wolf Cavalry killed a total of 23 warriors and 6 immortals.
>>46972561
The dark artisan formation is pretty good.
>>46972561
You're playing DE with boats, so it's simple
Guys with blasters in venoms
Other guys in raiders
Make sure you have dark lances, blasters and some basic firepower and you should be fine. Expect to have a tough time at the start DE aren't easy to play.
>>46972649
I play Grey Knights, I know what a tough time is. I just happened to pick up Tau a few months before their broken ass book, still kind of reluctant to play them much because I'll get hate. Started DE because those models are beautiful.
>>46972685
>hate
just don't be a dick, and don't play the OP builds outside of the most competitive events.
I've got one of these here Renegade boxes. Been thinking about using a renegade knight in a Vranks renegade list. Would it be worth taking a renegade knight for anti air, armed with the Icarus autocannon and 2 Avenger gatling cannons? Might be pricey for what it does, but the Heretics and Renegades list doesn't really have great anti air. Plus it would look cool.
>>46972685
Oh well that makes it easy
Imagine if GK could spam melta guns and lances, but had nothing in the way to armor. Their only protection was av 10 open topped rhinos. That's basically DE.
>>46972561
You're gonna be playing a force that plays fast and loose with this thing called "durability". STILL, with that in mind you can knock somebodies lights out real fast given DE firepower and good CC ability. I recommend some incubi, they're your best CC unit in the codex and if led by a Succubus or an Archon you can get them assault grenades and watch them deleted MEQs with ease. Also look into ravagers for some other sources of muliple Dark Lance and your heaviest vehicle at....11/11/10. Trueborn with 4 blasters in a venom fills both the AT and anti-infantry purposes in one easy package, though getting 4 blasters could be hard since 1 Kabalite warrior box only contains 1 each per 10 models. They're fun, but tough so just remember that when you play them.
>>46972740
The AA gun on the knight is little more than support fire.
If you need guns that kill stuff with 3+ saves, take the gatling.
>>46971745
>it had to be 40k.
We're in the 40k general, shit for brains
Do you answer people's questions in a D&D general with black crusade and dark heresy?
>>46972798
Yeah I kinda figured with it only being TL and Heavy 2, it wasn't meant as solely an anti air guy. With 24 more shots shots though, granted at BS6, it's bound to hurt something in the air right?
>>46972561
What do you need more of
>Anti-tank
Ravagers, Scourges, Trueborn + blasters + Venoms
>Anti-Infantry
KWx5 + Venom, KWx10 + Raider +Night shields + Splinter racks, just spam more venoms
>Str 6 spam
Reaver Jetbikes + Cluster caltrops
>"Durable" HQ
Archon
>Strong in Melee HQ
Succubus
>Cheap HQ
Court of the Archon lhamaean + venom
>Best way to fill an extra 60~ pts
Mandrakes
>Anti-air
Razorwing Jetfighter
>Anti-Gargantuan Creatures
Corpsethief claw - 5 Talos pain engines with Ichor Injectors
>>46972723
I typically run the Hunter Contingent (Hunter Cadre + Stealth Cadre) and the Shas'Obama drone formation. It's usually a good and bloody match for both sides.
>>46972776
My friend who's the most veteran says Trueborn aren't worth it. I can make 2 Blasters per box. Chop off shredder barrel and replace with Blast Pistol Barrel. And I was thinking of getting Incubi from the chinaman because THOSE SAVINGS. From $41 to $13.
>>46972776
Incubi can no longer get assault grenades and as they rely on their initiative to be good they are defeated by cover.
>>46972868
>Anti-air
>Razorwing Jetfighter
NOT FOR LONG
>>46972486
We just bitch when get bored, If you have good question or idea we answer/debate. We kill time til then.
>>46972924
CSM is now allowed to use drop pods but only for a Skyhammer Annihilation Force with CSM units.
Yes or no.
>>46972924
I've got a question!Are thunder hammers s9 when the wolf hammer storm wolf hammer the wolf fist 10??
>>46972412
What FLGS's can't order Web exclusives? Mine does it all the time for us
>>46972740
that works but you just made a fairly close range knight with no melee. You might do jack shit for a couple turn if your enemy moves super cautiously. That said, the Gatling gun is the best Knight gun, but 2 is very situational, you better pray the other guy doesn't bring a knight.
>>46972969
You have to suck dick hard or order in exclusively for each individual to hold any stock of web store exclusive models. It's a terrible system.
>>46972945
I'd let them.
>>46972945
yes but only if smashthirster is available as an HQ in skyhammer, and he can DS and charge same turn too
>>46972906
Nah, man. the Archon/ Succubi have them and unless I'm reading the rules incorrectly they can transfer that boon to the rest of the squad so they all strike at initiative.
>>46972878
They work out well enough on the tabletop by supplying 4 quick lance shots at vehicles and 4 str 8 ap 2 shots at MC's making them somewhat multi-purpose with the venom takes care of the infantry due to 2 splinter cannons which you should just always buy the 2nd splinter cannon as it's always a better deal then the stock TL splinter rifle. The only reason I suggest the trueborn over just more regular warriors is mostly due to the increased number of special/heavy weapons they can take.
>>46973024
>drop podding a D thristers into combat turn 1
this is how you put fear in grey knights
>>46973068
>Initiative 1
>Forced weapons
A great unclean one would be 100 times worse in every way.
>>46972924
What is the craziest death star you can make. You have 1000 pts. and 2 codexes max
>>46973041
>Models equipped with assault grenades don't suffer the penalty to their Initiative for charging enemies through difficult terrain, but fight at their normal Initiative in the ensuing combat.
>Models equipped with assault grenades
>Models
At no point does it say it confers to a unit
Hey kids, no one else is talking about it and you guys have good opinions, Gav Thorpe is writing the story for the Deathwing game, is this good?
>>46973089
besides draigo what's the go to beatstick build for grey knights?
>>46973096
>2 codexes max
So you don't want the craziest death-stars?
>>46973100
yes,
>>46973100
no, im 99% sure that gav thorpe is actually illiterate and just copy pastes random words he finds on the internet together to form his stories.
also he just makes shit up as he goes regardless of it making sense or being canon
>>46973100
>The namesake of Thrope's Law
>Dangles
>Thrope
This can only end badly.
>>46973134
I want skillful death stars, 3 codices if you must
>>46973100
Thorpe has a penchant for making the DA look retarded, so this isn't going to be fun.
>>46973117
Big squads of grey knight terminators or the baby carrier. There isn't much but a bunch of grey knights with force and hammer hand work well and the baby carrier is always a terror to deal with.
>>46973098
Well that sucks a big fat one. DE don't have many units that even have assault grenades. Either way Incubi are usually a good buy for an elites slot. What else are you gonna put in there? Wracks?
>April 16
>out of town for family wedding
>sitting in shitty chinese buffet
>log in and frantically refreshing GW site on phone
>order imperial space marine + renegade game at 12:10pm
>check hours later
>no email confirming order
>panic, might have closed page/dropped signal before confirming
>check monday
>no charge posted to account and still no email
>not showing up in order history
>pissed at first but laugh it off
>Wednesday last week order Renegades from usual store instead, cheaper anyways
>today come home to package on door step
>its from GW
>imperial space marine and renegades box inside
>check account, GW charge was posted a full week later (4/23)
>warstore order already shipped and on its way
>now the inadvertent owner of 4 knights
>>46973000
Fair enough. Would you suggest a melee weapon to back up the gatling cannon?
>>46973117
There's sort of no point in dolling up a grand master when draigo exists these days.
Anon with the pirate orks from pervious generals. Bought all the stuff. Yes. Anon delivered. Kaptin blackmaw's crazy Krew is coming!
>>46973171
speak for yourself, making the DA look like fools is fun
>>46973174
>>46973211
these are good points
>>46973192
You could sell some of the knights or something.
>>46973171
How much redemption are we all going to need?
>>46973192
>>now the inadvertent owner of 4 knights
look on the bright side, now you can sell them for $50 each on ebay! :^)
>>46973192
>he bought the imperial marine
>>46973251
>he didn't
>>46973089
Ive been using a GUO in a mono Nurgle Daemonic Incursion. Deep strikes w/o scatter wherever I need him. I run 4 squads of Plague Drones, 3 with an icon so the GUO has options on where to come in. Biomancy obv; he does work everytime.
>>46973202
either a battle cannon or a D chainsword. So you can either chip enemy knight down before they get you at super long range or fight them with the D.
>>46972878
>>46973041
Trueborn cost 115 pts +65 pt transport and get you 4 shots at 18" with only 5W at T3 with a 5+ armor.
Ravagers meanwhile cost 125 pts for 3 shots at 36" with 11/11/10 3HP 4+ cover or a 3+ cover for an extra 15 pts.
The extra range lets the ravager be a threat sooner, and be safer from retaliation from the enemy, and when you combine that with the higher base defenses of the ravager it makes it the best source for dark lances in the codex.
Additionally if you can get them an obscured save (which is easy) they can get that 3+ cover without jink.
Also if you want venom spam just take 2 HQ slots that are lhamaens in venoms giving you 2 venoms @ 75 pts, and then just spam KWs in venoms giving you up to 6 venoms per CAD @ 105 pts, or hell just buy them as fast attack vehicles for no tax.
>>46973236
>speak for yourself, making the DA look like fools is fun
>>46973236
Really unless the changeling was the wulfen that killed the DA scouts he didn't do much to convince the DA to say hello to fenris. Then if he is all he did was alert them to some mutants that need purging, thus helping the imperium.
>>46973251
Well really it came "free" with the order of the game
>>46973242
I always planned on owning 3, just not this soon. I'll def be selling the extra
>>46973096
>>46973096
Guard blob with flamers in every squad 3 lascannons 2 autocannons. Sarges have axes and melta bombs. 3 primaris's 2 rolling biomancy 1 rolling div. 1 comisar 2 priests.
Dark angel Librarian termite tanking w/melta bombs digital weapons and a hammer and Azrael.
Massive blob with a 4+ rerollable invuln and overwatching at BS 2
>>46973182
Mandrakes
1) They are a cheap 12 PPM,
2) They have solid stat lines 4 4 4 3 1 5 2 8
3) They have fear, fleet, infiltrate, move through cover, night vision, power from pain, shrouded, stealth making them cover camping champions
4) Their gun which they start with now are S4 AP4 assault 2, Soul Blaze which is solid
5) They are a Dark Eldar unit that doesn't require you buying a transport in order for them to be good
Or say fuck it to the elite slot and focus on the Fast Attack slot which is better anyway.
>>46973318
He most likely did kill the Scouts. How he's able to enjoy himself on the Rock without Asmodai sensing someone having fun on the Rock is beyond me.
>>46973282
I'm not saying he shouldn't take Ravagers, they are a great source of Dark Lance in the army, I'm just saying he should spread out the AT in the army so that losing a Ravager or 2 doesn't cripple his ability to tackle tanks and MC. Though you probably shouldn't just buy Venoms in the FA slot without something in it seeing how that is also the slot with plenty of solid choices for DE in the first place.
>>46973393
tzeetch
>>46973393
monthly reminder that the Changeling is a herald that pranks grey knights in person, placed nurglings on khorne's throne when he wasn't looking, and the reason why you didn't have toilet tissue when you needed it though you swore you replaced it in time
Are the sororitas formations worth anything?
Although I guess their apocalypse exclusive so it doesn't really matter to me anyway.
>>46972286
/tg/ exists because of 40k
>>46973375
one flamer, goodbye
assaulted by anything with decent armor, goodbye
I wish they were better, but having no melee weapon, no armor means they can't do shit in assault.
>>46972740
>tfw my flgs is selling these at 165 mapledollars a box
>>46973441
well, it's effective and i don't think many would complain about you using it. but if we're pulling out apoc formations i wanna use The Great Cavalcade of Exquisite Excess
>>46973161
>space marine codex, imperial guard codex, inquisition codex
-10 vanguard vets in a drop pod, all of them equipped with power fists and storm shields, dont bother with jump packs.
-Take two priests from Imperial guard and put them in the squad.
-Take a Librarius conclave of four librarians, all of them with force axes, put them with the vets.
-Take an order xenos inquisitor with rad grenades and the Liber Heresius, put them in the squad.
Part 2
>Roll on santic untill you get hammer hand and sanctuary
>then roll on librarius for veil of time and null zone
>if you have some powers left to roll then roll on fulmination for mobility
You have now created a fat squad of guys with S10 ap2, 2++ rerolling all failed saves, zealot, LD10, stubborn, -1T for enemy units in the first round of combat, any psykers you assault are reduced to I1, take a LD test before your first turn to gain scout, take a leadership test every turn after that for counter attack/fear, take a leadership test in combat on ld7 to gain shred, take a leadership test on ld7 in combat to reroll saves in case your librarians bollocks it up or are facing a culexus assassin.
Let me calculate how much this costs...
>>46973456
>one flamer and good bye
That is the entire fucking codex after the open topped nerf
>Assaulted by anything with good armor and they die
The entire fucking codex after the wych nerf, phantasm grenade launcher nerf, archon nerf, and assault rules nerf.
Is this a good color scheme or what?
>>46973486
>That is the entire fucking codex after the open topped nerf
its fucking infuriating that the no escape rule even exists, it doesnt make any fucking sense and punishes the armies that already had problems with flamer weapons
>>46973459
Got mine for $140 burgerbucks
>>46973459
>tfw ebay is selling knights for $50
>>46973485
865 points!
It will instant death anything that is less than T7 on the first round of combat so as long as you manage to get null zone it will kill smashfucker, drakefucker and smashthirster without any problems while you will need to hit them with 60 strength D attacks to get past ALL their invulnerable saves.
>>46973485
>10 vanguard vets in a drop pod
and how exactly do you expect to fit the rest of your deathstar in that pod, may i ask
How bad of an idea is rolling all your powers on Sanctic if you aren't Grey Knights?
>>46973597
Ah sorry, that was a left over from the first draft of it.
I meant to drop the drop pod from that list and have them footslog, relying on the librarians and scout move to get them where they need to be.
>>46973603
Not as bad as it sounds. It has lots of really good 1WC powers that you can just throw 1/2 dice at and rarely peril.
>>46973568
got a link buddy?
>>46973649
not him but the only one I see is 60
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Knight-Paladin-/272226357002?hash=item3f61f48f0a:g:zpAAAOSwiYFXIXH~
>>46973161
If you want to deathstar, the new hotness is Ravenwing/TWC/White Scar Librarius Conclave trio
>>46973640
Well, that's better news than I was expecting. I've heard Sanctuary is nice. Are there any other particular ones I should shoot for?
>>46973649
Not that anon but 2 seconds on ebay I found these, and numerous bid ones that are starting at 1$ and could go for around 60$.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Knight-Paladin-/272226357002?hash=item3f61f48f0a:g:zpAAAOSwiYFXIXH~
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40k-Imperial-Knight-Lifted-walking-Leg-KIT-converted-piece-/262402205898?hash=item3d1863e8ca:g:~54AAOSwt6ZWVbsZ
>>46973649
they are everywhere
>>46973603
some of powers are useless if you're not fighting daemons
>>46973751
the second one you posted is just a conversion kit for the leg
>>46973751
>>46973689
ah, thanks
maplebay has US-only listings excluded from searches sadly
>>46970450
>eldar
>0 votes
>>46973784
Not gonna lie I just grabbed 2 links that had knight in the name and were around $50.
>>46972619
>>46972649
>>46972776
>>46972868
So far I'm thinking an Archon, a Raider, a Ravager and that puts me at $77 after tax. Because we're getting a total of 30% off. 20 from the store and another 10 because we piled all the purchases on my bud's "rewards" account so we unlocked the extra 10%. I can get something else. But I don't know what else I should get because I'm not sure how I want to run the army. I don't want the hardest cheese DE list there is, but I don't want to be a constant loser.
>>46972916
Is it going to suck hard with the new flyer phase?
>>46973722
Gate of infinity instantly removes your squads from the board and allows you to deepstrike them back in instantly, you can use it in combat too to escape from a bad fight.
Hammer hand gives the whole squad +2 strength, you can use this to pull some serious shenanigans like giving a 50 man infantry blob S5 or boost S8 attacks to S10.
Sanctuary gives your whole squad +1 invulnerable save which is pretty self explanatory.
The only problem is the primaris, the only power you're guaranteed to get, is completely useless if not facing daemons so you better make sure you roll a 1-3 for your powers.
4-6 isn't bad but that's when it starts to require more psychic dice and thus you start periling.
>>46973827
One of the redeeming qualities of my otherwise terrible Grey Knights is how I can save 3 rounds of combat with boys on a Librarian with 1 wound left and then zip out with Gate and other such hilarious tales. For example, my lone purifier wiping out a squad of IG Vets and MT Scions with a single "Emperor-ackbar" Cleansing Flame.
>>46970450
AdMech and DEldar are tied right now. Fascinating.
>>46970664
Could throw it in with MilTemp.
Chimera, scion box, inquisitor, and, dare I say it, plastic acolytes!
>>46970229
Shut up.
>>46973819
Looking at what you have you seem to have 15 kabalites without a transport so getting them one would be a good option.
The easiest would be another venom, and a raider.
As for building them give the venom a splinter cannon for 10pts, give the raider nightshields for 15 pts for that 3+ jink, and splinter racks to give your kabalites twin linked.
Optionally give the raider the dark lance upgrade, but be aware the raider should jinx 100% of the time so you will be forced to snap fire the lance most of the time.
Also consider giving the kabalites the splinter cannon heavy weapon upgrade it isn't as good now, but it is cheap and can be used with splinter racks.
The DEldar are winning the race on that poll. They might actually deserve it, but which one of you voted for Tau? Also why didn't GW make an AdMech codex back in RT-2E?
>>46973920
In my current possession I own 20 Kabalites and a Venom. My order as it stands is an Archon, a Raider, and a Ravager. If I throw in another Venom, would I be good to go for now?
That would put me at:
Archon
20 Kabalites
2 Venoms
Raider
Ravager.
>>46973890
Wew lad, I know you like your chickens but don't advertise the fact.
Finally finished these niggas.
>>46973987
Looks solid my future advice at this point is to decide on an escort for the archon as is he has to boot one of the kabalite warriors out of the raider to tag along.
You have 4 major options the first is the court of the archon + archon in a transport of your choice, but the court models are 15$~ a piece and are fine cast so most people don't get them.
Your second is a wych squad in a transport of your choice, the downside is you are taking wyches.
The third option is 4 incubi+archon in a venom you just have to make sure to never assault into cover, and to wait until turn 3+ on the PFP table before you put them into danger.
The final option is to say fuck it he can just stick with his Kabalite buddies in a raider.
>>46973827
Rolling a 6 in a lib conc means you can get a D attack and peril as normal (if you go 4 dice, which you should).
Anyone else notice how the new dice cubes dont come with a scatter dice?
>>46974071
If you're casting on 2+ then 3 dice should do the job.
>>46970450
>CSM not even an option
>nobody mentions it
Like pottery. I play CSM and agree with the poll
>>46974086
>Age of emperor is coming
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
IT'S
HAPPENING
>>46974102
Yes, but that means that a 1 is a failure and you perils according to that powers rules. 4 dice is actually mathmaticly better for avoiding perils.
I'm a grey knights player. Am I allowed to complain? Also what would I complain about?
>>46974086
>dont come with a scatter dice?
>with a scatter dice
>a dice
GET OUT
>>46974155
The distinct lack of spooky ghost terminators in your codex.
>>46974164
A scatter DIE
>>46974164
LOOL
>>46974155
We aren't allowed to complain because we are Imperial superfriends even though we are Codex: Draigoknights
>>46974155
Fellow GK player. Let's start at the part where we're given some nice toys to play with in CC, but no reliable method to get there. Some great shooting from Psycannons, but we have to put ourselves in line of fire because of 24" range.
As >>46974182 put it, no more spoopy terminators or other fluffy characters aside from Draigo, Stern, and Crowe. The Imperium's best psykers have no method of harnessing the warp on a 3+ without taking the entire Grey Knights Brotherhood or the other large formation. Compare us to another elite army like AdMech and we don't have nearly as many toys and tricks as they do to make up for lack of models. If we try to ally, to be effective we have to SUCK up points and be subpar at best. I could go on, but I love the models too much.
In essence, Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>46974155
not enough daemons to bully
>>46974121
What's the issue anon, Sigmar is getting a point system.
>>46973827
That makes sense. I'll probably need to make sure I have a good squad to run them in since it's mostly squad-based powers that are the good ones.
>>46972798
>if you need guns that statistically kill everything better than the other guns, take the gatling
>>46974155
>>46974182
>>46974254
>>46974259
All GK are WS5 or better
GKSS = 90 points base
GKT and Pallies = 10 points each to get a SS
Purifiers get deepstrike
Crowe = 120 points and rending
Dread = C:SM treatment no point bump still ML1
Brother Captain 20 points cheaper
Interceptors... fine as is.
Codex fixed?
>>46974385
Do something to make Paladins appealing or a smaller formation for 3+ Warp Charge harnessing and you have a deal. I can see it now, Purifiers dropping in and clearing everything around them for 9 inches.
>>46974385
As a gk player, purifiers with deep strike would be too good vs horde armies. Storms held paladins would be too good as well. Paladins need another attack. And maybe just a 4+ invulnerable for a slight increase in points.
>>46974410
>>46974456
Cut the Purifier deepstrike, I can see it being too strong yea, should have been obvious.
Pallies have Eternal Warrior and Iron Halo?
Small formation of a Grand Master + 5man Pally retinue harnesses on a 3+?
>>46971090
The AdMech were my First army when i finally got into 40k last year after eyeballing it for a long time.They just clicked with me for some reason. (The Diesel Punk army I deserved)
Their Start Collecting Box is amazing, and as long as you remember their Doctrina Imperatives/Canticles of the Omnissiah they're fantastic. Can't speak tot he Start Collecting Box as I haven't picked one up yet, I've been painting up Ironstriders/Dragoons, so I'd rather grab them later.
>>46974456
Oh and they need to be able to take a third special weapon.
>>46974506
Correction, I meant Formation from the Starter Box
I heard somebody say there is a formation for pic related, is it bullshit?
>>46974086
>Age of sigmar dice
>Scatter
>>46974675
Read more.
>>46974675
the 40k logo is on the front as well as the AoS logo.
It's just a box of regular dice.
>>46974643
There is, it's in the new crimson slaughter book.
Looks like IK is the least hated faction?
>>46974711
All those votes for knights just came out of nowhere during a slow thread.
>>46974711
not a chance those votes are legitimate, they had 0 less than 30 minutes ago
some IK autist is spamming for some reason
>>46974711
Obviously Orks is da biggest and da frendlies faction!
>>46974037
the paint scheme looks great. My only complaint is that they are grimier than their base is.
>>46974705
alright thnx bb
I love daemons so much. I'm trying to get in to a new army but I just instantly go back to daemons. I've got a ton of imperial forces that need painting so whenever I take out my paints I spend my time doing a few extra bits of detail on the daemons.
I love the herald system where I get lots of 'weak' mini HQs rather than a few 'big ones'... But can still take only big ones if I feel like it.
I love how different all the random wargear makes games.
I love how incredibly powerful my wargear is.
I love how my basic troops have a stat line and points cost other armies envy.
I love all my cool psychic powers.
I love how POWERFUL my powerful units are.
I love how I can tailor my army without changing the actual list at all.
I love how they're an assault army that actually works without 800 point Death Stars.
How can other armies even compete?
Is there a way to take multiple detachments of Inquisitors?
>>46975108
take multiple inquistor detachments. there isn't a limit on detachments, just special characters/points/relics
>>46975087
>How can other armies even compete?
By being good.
>>46975087
AdMech has Doctrina/Canticles thattake some already pretty solid units with fun and interesting rules (re: Rad Poisoning/Taser) and make them really powerful and able to impact the game.
>>46974068
The answer is get another two venom so all of his troops can be venoms and get to converting up some grotesques to provide some more punch. Then throw in a couple squads of jetbikes and a unit of scourge and he will be sitting at 1850
>>46975156
Thanks! They have some of the coolest rules in the game, but they cap out pretty fast in one detachment.
Any idea how to model some of their weapons? Most of their models are old and have only a few bits on them, how do you make needle pistols or daemon blades?
So I'm going half in on a box of Imperial Knight: Renegade to get a Chaos Knight. I now have a choice: Paladin or Warden sprue if I'm using the renegade data sheet?
>>46975327
paladin and warden are the same base 3 sprues, except the warden has 1 extra sprue for the warden specific gear (gauntlet, Gatling gun, etc)
>>46975327
You want Warden, but probably fairest to give the other guy the carapace weapon of his choice (you'll have to clip it off the Warden sprue) considering you get that sweet dakka cannon.
Neither of you really want the gauntlet.
>>46973971
>Also why didn't GW make an AdMech codex back in RT-2E?
In the early days of GW codes were passion projects of sculptors or game designers. they just did whatever shit they thought would be cool or they felt like doing and no one wanted to do admech.
Then the company shifted to a more explicitly buisness oriented process where demand and sales would take precedence. At that point AdMech didn't have any established line, like marines or whatever, or pre-existing fan base to target, like how Tau could drag in anime fans and good guy types. It was thematically a purely 40k faction, so it couldn't be justified on grounds of bringing in new customers, and it had no line so there were no sales figures with which to demonstrate demand*. Making an army when you don't know if your player base wants it and you don't expect it to draw non players in is a huge risk, one GW didn't want to take.
Eventually GW got big enough and the design process cheap enough that they could fuck around with baby sized codexes and push out higher risk products though.
*Obviously there are lots of ways other than sales figures to examine what your customers want, by GWs buisness oriented process was also retard oriented.
>>46975281
the world is your oyster, i suggest getting a guard box then looking at like victoria miniatures
>>46975327
Talk to the other guy and see which weapons you both want.
If you're building a Chaos Knight, that means you'd get some benefit out of double battle-cannons, for example.
Splitting the shoulder missiles and guns is also a good call.
Basically, try and divide it as evenly as possible to make sure each of you has a loadout you want as well as a couple spare weapons in case you want to swap out or try other stuff.
Hey if I wanted to build an Eldar army, would a mostly Wraith-construct list get me hated out of town?
What I'm looking at currently is Pale Courts Battlehost with Graveyard of Dreams (3 Wraithblades instead of Guardians) and Tomb-ship of Fallen Heroes (with Wraithseer as HQ). Then a Wraith Host as auxiliary.
Honestly pretty new to the game, I mostly want to play this because Wraiths are cool as hell, and because they seem like a good break from painting the Blood Angels, Necrons and Genestealers I've been working on lately.
>>46975504
The first two are totally fine. Wraithblades and Wraithlords aren't super OP or anything.
The Wraithhost might cause some worries, although that's mostly due to the Wraithguard and Wraithknight.
Wraithguard can be toned down if you take Wraithcannons instead of Scythes. The Wraithknight is just amazing no matter what you do, though you'll likely get less complaints if you don't give it D-cannons.
I'd say you're more than good to use the Pale Battlehost stuff for a bunch of Wraithblades and support. That's probably also a good place to start building. The Wraithhost adds some variety, but you might want to hold off on it, especially against certain armies.
>>46975497
Nice, that is a wide selection of weapons. Thank you!
>>46975504
>honestly pretty new to the game
>contemplating buying a fourth army
>>46975571
Alright, that's about what I was expecting. A middle-of-the-road army is perfectly good for what I want to do. And if need be, I can step up my game by adding in the wraithhost.
>>46975592
"Army" is pushing it. I have a Space Hulk box and about 800 points of Necrons that I've been painting over the last 6 months. I've barely played the game outside of some skirmish stuff at my LGS.
>>46973573
> Drakefucker and SMASHFUCKER PRIME mentioned 3 weeks after I first created him in a general.
FUCK. This is the 5th meme I have accidentally created on this board. When will it end?
>>46975327
double minigun
>>46973493
Yeah, man. It's lovely. Maybe make the horns more of a bone color.
>>46975640
Smashfucker Prime has been around for a lot longer than that. Don't kid yourself. It's been an alt name for Smashfucker on 1d4chan for a while
>>46975640
stop posting then
>>46975644
>I don't know what's in the Renegade box
>>46975681
>i dont know that you can just buy a knight off ebay and an extra minigun for like $70 total
lmfao
>>46975674
>Don't kid yourself
no, its been smashbane and smashfucker for regular marines and iron hands, respectively
dont be a retard
>>46975640
> Lias Issodon is Big Boss
> Raptors
> MURDERWINGS
> SMASHFUCKER PRIME
> Drakefucker
>>46975674
I fucking wrote the sub-page for prime. Plus the page for MURDERWINGS. No it hasn't been an alt name for smashfucker for years, since the PRIME variant literally came out just a few weeks ago. I ended up coining drakefucker too, as one of the only two characters that can kill prime.
>>46975726
well they are both gay shit so i dont see why you are bragging about it 2bh lad
smashfucker is a 2 bit meme and any variants thereof are even sadder 2bh
smashBANE was the only good one, since it combined a meme that wasnt shit with the typical autism
Okay Anon here's a very simple task, fill the gaps:
>It is better to ______ for the Emperor than to ______ for yourself.
>>46975761
>fuck
>wank
>>46975087
My Nurgle Daemons have been killing it lately. The Decurion buffs are gamechanging for Daemons. Nothing disappears to insatbility, and my opponent is forced to spread himself out, or give up on objectives. Not to mention no overwatch against 21 infiltrating Nurglings just removes shooting after turn 1..
>>46975761
>Ban
>Shitpost
>>46975761
>die
>live
Any other answer is heretical
>>46975761
>live
>die
>>46975783
I'm considering replacing my R&H with the Tallyband as support for my Tetrad, are the decurion buffs worth losing out on my two blobs of fifty mutants/zombies and ability to field tanks?
>>46975761
>deify and build tribute cities
>think
>>46975846
goddamn, lorgar was wrong as fuck and a giant chaoscuck, but fuck if he wasnt handsome
>>46975837
are the blobs and tanks winning you games? the incursion is about 1k-1250 so you could ally in your guys if ya want
>>46975868
IIRC it's said somewhere that out of all the Primarchs, Lorgar held the closest physical resemblance to the Emperor.
>>46975868
He did look the most similar to Emps
>>46975888
They probably won't win me as many games as an Incursion list, i just enjoy converting tanks with spiky bits, and it gives my Beastmen a purpose again. I was wiping the floor with most of the locals non-tourney lists for the last two weeks, but then they learned to jump on the Slaaneshi prince ASAP and now i'm back to about fifty-fifty unless i roll Iron Arm on the Slaaneshi.
>>46975761
>Govern
>take the blame
>>46975837
Depends on your list I suppose. If you run a tallyband though, those guys will need the Decurion buff to survive. Nurglings will lose combats as they tie stuff up for you, without the Decurion instability eats them up fast. They lock down everything by turn 2 though. And the obj control is underrated.
>>46975943
I think it's in Betrayer, it talks about how Magnus' shifting face is closest to what looking at Emprah is actually like, but Lorgar looked most like the average of his shifting faces.
>>46973485
Replace one librarian with Magister Sevrin Loth*. At the cost of 1 warp charge, not using it to actually cast a power, just spend it with no risk of your opponent denying or you failing, he can replace his 2+ armor save with a 2++ invulnerable save until the next phase, so you can ditch the storm shields by just having him stand in front and do something else with those points and skip rolling for sactuary too. Moreover, Loth is master lvl 3 and handily comes with the force axe you want. Horror upon horrors, he has a further special rule whereby if you take all three of his powers from one of either biomancy, telepathy, or telekinesis, you can just pick powers instead of rolling them. I recommend biomancy, where you'll take iron arm, warp speed, and wither.
*Forgeworld says in their emails that until they release a formations update you should feel free to use their named characters in formations calling for someone of the same station, e.g. named librarian for "a librarian", named captain for "a captain", etc. Wether this is a solid enough endorsment for your mates to let you do this I can't say, but I can say that if it is, doing this will probably change their minds.
>>46975704
kys
>>46975761
>sharpen your knife
>live a cuck life under a fucking corpse
>>46976131
That's such a bitching model
It's out of production, isn't it
I've been thinking, is there an army that doesn't require spam buying particular units? Like how space marines require several drop pods or rhinos, IG blob guard or many tanks? I hate having to constantly buy the same unit, makes the painting boring. The one that comes to mind for me is CSM.
>>46976211
It looks great, but would be tiny compared to contemporary sculpts.
>>46976252
Imperial Knights
sure, it's 6 of the same thing really
But they are all big and important enough that you can customize them however you want
>>46976252
Tau and Eldar have enough power to get away with buying a bunch of random stuff.
>>46976211
>>46976273
it is indeed dope and my FLGS just happens to have one in stock, I'm really fighting against buying this damn thing because I've already blown way too much skrilla on plastic crack and have enough projects to last me for years already
>>46975281
fun fact, infinite detachments can make silly/cheesy/gimmick moves like a mass of conversion beamers or hellrifle snipers, tons of Jokaero shitting out heavy flamer plates from Chimeras, melta + chimera + psyker spam like no tomorrow, etc.
>>46976252
The only army that would be able to be good without spamming multiples is Eldar, Necrons, and maybe Tau. Everyone else doesn't have enough good units so they have to double down and spam their good ones.
You need enough good units to fill 1500-1850 points without spamming. It's a tall order for books that aren't jam packed with good units.
>>46976273
it's not really all that small btw, the main issue is that it just doesn't look like a character compared to modern marines covered in bling, looks more like a sergeant these days
>>46976211
Of courshe!
>>46976340
>>46976211
it's still available in the web store
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/CSM-Lord-2
>>46976353
>shitcast
>>46976353
if it was finecast it would say it's "resin" in the description. it doesn't say the material so it's probably metal from old stock
the one at my FLGS is metal, I don't even think there's a shitcast version of this model
>>46976360
>>46976382
Finecast has to be one of their worst business decisions. I hardly believe the fucking metal prices can go up that much that just slapping on a few dollars per blister won't offset it as far as profits goes.
>>46976382
You can also tell because the resin and plastic ones tend to have rounder prices, while old metal stock tends to have weird decimals.
>>46976360
>>46976382
>>46976499
They don't make finecast anymore. They have a new resin recipe for old models (they don't make metal at all anymore), but after the shitcast fiasco they don't bother advertising it.
Ive got an apocalypse game saturday
If I were to take loads of pics, would anyone be interested if I dumped them in a bit of a battle report fashion?
>>46976610
>They have a new resin recipe for old models
i dont beleif u
>>46976499
>>46976530
>>46976610
the main thing I've heard about GW's prices is that they won't make anything cheaper because it's breaking Business 101. you always, always, always want to raise the prices over time, not lower them. I guess the issue with GW is they raised the prices way too fast compared to inflation, but can't turn back now
I don't know shit about business though so idk, but it seems logical to me. lowering the prices would probably fuck them and by extension customers more than anything at this point due to some economic numbers wizardry. so they made finecrap characters higher priced than metal as part of this trend.
>>46976610
>finecast
Remember, Games Workshop is a cunning, devious mastermind. You're a retard if you think Finecast wasn't intended to be a hilarious failure.
>>46976649
they do, I seent it in stores. they appear to have ditched finecast and went full plastic.
some character models that used to be finecast are now basic plastic
>>46976720
New character models are in plastic.
Don't know of anything that used to be metal that's now in actual plastic.
>>46976706
>Business 101. you always, always, always want to raise the prices over time, not lower them
>I don't know shit about business though
Clearly.
>>46976706
Finecast cost more because the morons at GW decided to replace metal with Finecast the month before their annual July price increase. The price would have gone up regardless, but this way the butthurt poorfags kept crying about "you promised Finecast would be cheaper so why is it more expensive".
>>46976740
alright mr. magnate, since you're a smug pro then why don't you share your tycoon wisdom with us all
I was just saying it's a thing I've heard a few times, in fact I think even that mormon cunt from miniwargaming who banks his business on this stuff said this. so how come it's not true?
>>46976735
there's a plastic abbadon at my store and I thought he was only metal and then finecast, though maybe I'm mistaken
>>46976740
>>46976778
"Price what the market will bear". Since everyone else is basing their prices off GW's pricing structure, and GW is still making profit year after year, the market is bearing GW's high prices.
Even if GW continues to make 10% less each year they're still millions of pounds in the green. It wouldn't make sense to lower prices unless they have hard evidence that lower prices will increase profit. The shareholders probably won't like lowering the price.
You'd have to stop all the richfags and people who currently throw money at the miniature companies from buying until the companies are so desperate they are forced to lower prices. Otherwise, prices are going to stay the same or keep going up.
>>46976778
High unit price =/= high profits, because if your unit price is TOO high you will be driven off by competitors. For GW that wasn't much of a problem except in recent years, a mix of Chinese/Ruski/home recasters, their own resellers selling at lower-than-store prices, ebay, etc. all mean that they actually have significant competition within their own market sphere (which they created by not allowing 3rd party stuff to be sold or used at their brand-name stores).
They've slowly started correcting this problem with boxed deals and such, but they really need to stop wish-washing in between and just go for it, lower all the prices, market the ever loving fuck out of it (spam commercials on Cartoon Network, get a TV show, how the hell do you think Baneblade, Pokemon or Yugioh sold so well?) but not just to their younger audience. Sell the older modelling/historical wargaming audience on it, get 15-20 somethings into it too with better, more fun rulesets and cheaper entry level stuff.
>>46976843
>Even if GW continues to make 10% less each year they're still millions of pounds in the green. It wouldn't make sense to lower prices unless they have hard evidence that lower prices will increase profit. The shareholders probably won't like lowering the price.
then why did they just make imperial knights $50?
>>46976843
that doesn't really contradict anything I've said though, also I'm curious to see a case where a product was x price for the long term and then reduced to y for the long term due to some economic maxim and turned out more profitable
>>46976856
They're using the (very decent) discount as a way to unload an old Knight sprue, from what I've heard.
>>46976778
Not that poster, but I think the difficulty with that assumption is that GW does not have a monopoly. If they want to make money that have to pay for rules, mass model production, and their own stores.
Specialist part makers like Kromlech can make parts for their game with less overhead and sell better looking parts for the same price as a result. This is what crippled Atari back in the day, and there are two solutions to it. They can lease the right to model production on their IP, focus on rules, and produce fewer models because other companies will take up the slack. Or they can make their models cheaper, flood the market with them and use economy of scale to make their competitors less profitable.
>>46976856
So why didn't they make everything cheaper and just knights?
>>46976886
why does gw consider it an old sprue when pretty much all of the CSM/ork/IG sprues are 20 years old?
>>46976817
>maybe I'm mistaken
I mean, your first mistake was believing that GW would do anything nice for Chaos.
oh shit nigger what are you doing
>>46976886
There is no "old Knight sprue" the only difference between the two knight kits is the addition of a weapons sprue with the carapace weapons, the fist, and the Gatling cannon.
>>46976939
Because the board refuses to lower prices, because the board is fucking stupid.
>>46977008
>tfw the Fort Worth one is like a 10 minute drive for me
I hope to see some anons there.
>>46977008
>mfw still no store less than 2 hours away.
>>46976874
>that doesn't really contradict anything I've said though
Not everyone that responds to you is trying to argue with you.
Good idea or bad idea for a house rule?
>All unpainted models are -1 Ld
>Unpainted is defined as having bare plastic or primer showing on the majority of the model
>The models feel depressed because they don't get the love they deserve.
>All unassembled models are -1 T or -1 AV
>defined as limbs, weapons, large parts or sections having never been attached
>cool conversions are obviously exempt
>You haven't put the armor plates on your tank of course it will not be as durable
>All models have preferred enemy (bases with no model attached).
>fucking ghosts get out of our battle!
>>46977432
>all models have preferred enemy (baseless model)
What about tanks?
Also, what the fuck, how is this a big enough issue to feel the need to houserule it?
Who doesn't put the base on the model before playing with it?
WHAT MOTHERFUCKER PLAYS WITH UNASSEMBLED MODELS REGULARLY ENOUGH THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE?
>>46977432
>unassembled models
>Pulls out newly purchased Box
>takes wraper off
>Whips lid off
>Pulls out sprue and drops it on the table
This is my Leman Russ Destroyer, I hope everyone is okay, just picked it up from the store, ain't she a beaut?
>>46977432
it sounds funny and I can understand wanting to encourage people to not field bullshit models, but honestly there's no reason to play some unfair game where one dude's shit is gimped and his opponent smugly wrecks him due to houserules unrelated to actual game balance
I guess you could just put the rule in place so that people will paint their shit because they can't play games until they do since actually playing such a game would be faggotry
>>46977498
>implying you've never seen that dude with armless infantry squads wielding a fucking menagerie of different loadouts that his opponent is somehow supposed to remember
>>46977472
>all models have preferred enemy (baseless model)
other way around, if you plop down a bare base and call it a fire warrior that is what is no good. No way to tell it apart from the other bare bases you called pathfinders. Tanks don't usually have bases so it is a non issue for themthough tanks on bases can look really sexy when done right
it gets even messier because 40k uses true line of sight for some stupid reason
As for unassembled models, I am just really sick of seeing these armless half-assembled knights. Even if it is obvious what weapons are being used, it just looks really terrible week after week.
>>46977498
top lel
>>46977505
you have a good point, but if I was socially adept enough to talk people out of fielding bullshit too often I wouldn't consider houseruling
>>46977524
Personally haven't actually, that sounds like a douchey fucking thing to do if they never plan to put arms on it
Everyone I play with takes pride in having their models at least completely assembled before taking them for a spin, and then painted by the next time they're played
It seems almost a waste to not complete the model, really
>>46977568
>Personally haven't actually, that sounds like a douchey fucking thing to do if they never plan to put arms on it
They do plan to put on the arms eventually, they're just painting parts that would be hard to reach first. Six months later they're still planning.
>>46977542
Have the people you're playing with who have incomplete knights not know you can magnetize that shit so you don't have to choose just one?
>>46977591
that would require caring enough to magnetize
it is easier and cheaper just to not attach the arms
and to these people, fully assembling the model doesn't change the TLOS profile and paint doesn't affect its performance, so why bother?
I don't understand these people. Modeling, painting, and writing are 90% of the hobby for me, and sometimes I think it'd be easier just to let it be 100% of the hobby
I just got the IG Start Collecting box, and the Flamer looks sexy! Is it any good though? Or should I give one of my guardsmen something else? Or just stick to the lasgun?
>>46977632
I don't understand these people
f you're willing to drop the $157 on a Knight, don't fucking half-ass it and just not finish it, you have an opportunity to put some real love into it to make a fucking awesome model, that looks awesome AND wrecks on the table. If you're not going to finish the damn thing why let it be an ugly lump of plastic replica of Abaddon?
>>46977643
>just started?
>first box
>never in to wargamesbefore?
>Rule of Cool applies now
>if you like it you do it
>>46977524
yo dawg, all these special weapons are counts as grav guns
>>46977674
Good point! Was just wondering in case it turned out to be some sort of trap option you're never supposed to take or somesuch like that.
Yes, I am new.
>>46977701
Flamers are really good
very few things are outrageously bad enough to warrant never using
>>46977643
>>46977701
the flamer is a very powerful weapon if they can get close enough to use it, especially when compared to a lasgun.
the grenade launcher will take out clustered groups, but otherwise will not wow you.
basic lasguns are cheap
can't go wrong with any of these as long as you are aware of your choices and make use of them
>>46977681
it's more like
>kill model
>he shoots weapon that model "had"
>"wtf I just killed the dude with the plasma gun"
>"no dude that was *this* one, remember"
>"yeah sure"
>>46977681
>30 brand new tacs from BaC
>all have bolters
>"Oh btw, the guys with banners/ vexillae have plasma guns and this chaplain is a techpriest"
>there are 3 plasma guns in the box
>wtf
>>46977714
>>46977718
Awesome! This pleases me greatly!
Hmmm.... I think I'll make my Leman Russ an Executioner with Heavy Bolters everyhwhere, sponsons and hull, for the extra hail of lead, and my Heavy Weapons team with the sweet looking Autocannon.
>>46977784
autocannons and plasmacutioners are both good
>>46977784
Like... much as rule of cool
Consider giving your first LR a battlecannon.
>>46970401
Corsairs use souped up lasblasters
>>46977784
heavy bolters are good against most infantry and can harm light vehicles too
autocannons are good and fun
battlecannons are the shit and when used right will make your enemies weep with dispair
>>46977784
Dang it, meant Exterminator, keep getting the two names confused.
>>46977809
The battlecannon seems cool too, I think I might do that one.
>>46977826
Well now that makes them seem pretty awesome, though they cost more than an Exterminator, but it seems worth it.
Also, the Commissar looks like it'd be a pain to paint. And I have no red or yellow/gold paints either.
>>46977432
i would make an exception for summoned units, ive played against some summoning armys that just didnt have enough bloodthirsters, so we had to use dice.
>>46977865
If you don't have the paints, wait to paint it until you do
If you have the right brushes and the right amount of patience anything can be painted if not well then cleanly
Find yourself a set of brushes that goes from Insane Detail, Regiment, and Dry brushes, they should cover most of your needs
>>46977643
Fellow Guardsman here, Never ever build a grenade launcher. They suck always
>>46977829
>>46977865
In general, anything toughness 4 or less that is out in the open will wither and die when faced with the battle cannon.
For the most satisfying kills, blast apart some Chosen or Nobz. With wargear, those models can be over 40 points each, but your battlecannon usually will double their toughness and cause instant death. So your opponent will have spent hundreds of points on a unit your tank blew up in one shot.
Where battlecannons are less good is when they have nothing juicy to shoot at. Shelling gaunts or guardsmen isn't really the best use of a battlecannon.
Also a quick tip:
91% Isopropyl alcohol, aka rubbing alcohol, can remove model acrylics in less than 5 minutes without harming plastic or primer. If you feel you've made a mistake or just want to re-paint your army as your skills improve, a quick bath will turn back time and let you start again.
>>46977896
I do have paints, just not red, yellow, or gold.
I do have a set of cheap brushes that seem to work okay, I've painted a couple of the $10 snapfit models, I posted them to /wip/ a week ago and got help from them, now I just need to make time in my schedule to finish painting and start assembling more.
>>46977916
Got it, mate, I'll take it from you.
>>46977965
Sounds great, honestly!
Also, that tip with the alcohol sounds good to me, I'll probably use it later on, once I've figured out how to paint well.
Pic related is the second model I've ever painted.
Would Sternguard in a Vendetta be a retarded choice?
What's the melee profile for a kroot rifle?
>>46978296
>See: Codex Tau empire
>>46978296
it isn't a close combat weapon any more
>>46978310
you should see: >>46978305
Aren't FAQs meant to be out today?
>>46977432
Bad. Your autism is showing.
Are there any relics/special rules that allow a unit to make shooting attacks while in CC?
>>46978408
I think only Cypher can do that.
Can an Aegis hve multiple upgrades? Can I have the Comms, the Ammo Dump + the Quad Gun or is that no dice?
>>46977432
What is that autistic shit. Just dont play people that do that shit
>>46978425
Says right on pg. 18 of Stronghold Assault
>Each fortification may purchase a single Battlement and Battlefield upgrade from the list below.
Comms OR Dump OR Quad Gun, and then up to six sections of obstacles.
>>46978496
I feel stupid for missing that...
Cheers!
>>46974086
>no more clean dice cubes
>dice just throw into a rounded container
Wow, it's like a metaphor for AoS.
>>46978408
Anybody with a pistol can use its shooting profile in cc
>>46978555
Slow down warboss. You get extra close combat weapon if you have pistol. The pistol's profile plays no role in CC.
>>46978580
"Pistols are effectively Assault 1 weapons. A Pistol also counts as a close combat weapon in the Assault phase."
>>46978608
and a close combat weapon has it's own profile. it doesn't use the shooting profile.
>>46971728
Based comma makes sense of nonsense yet again.
>>46978635
Honestly if you could fire your pistol into melee youd be better off than with a CCW, you get AP its almsot always the same strength(bolt pistol is str 4, marines str 4 for example) and you can actually hit on a 2+
>>46978662
Plasma pistols could be worth their cost. And while we are talking about plasma pistols, would they be worth it if they were specialist weapon too? So you could get extra attack for having fist/plasma pistol for example.
could you guys help me making a nice savage ork list for 1500 points?
don't even know if I should keep some vehicles since they are savage (maybe custom araknarok/dinosaur?)
was thinking about going with some weirdboys and a warboss, then some mobs and nobs but anything goes right now
New kosaki
>>46978802
>>46978702
It would certainly be an option.
It would became a choice between a ranged attack and more variety in the attacks (since if you're fighting MEQ or lower you will most likely prefer the claw over the I1 fist)
>>46978702
Based Cypher.
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