>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
first for squats
>>46961564
Second for where is chickin?
Which planes will be more fucked by this update?
>>46961564
The what now, anon? I'm sure you just misspoke.
>>46961578
Lunch break with litany's litany. Don't throw a fit, a bird's gotta eat.
Is there a transport in the entire 40k universe more based than the Chimera?
>65pts
>Comes with decent anti-infantry firepower
>Capacity of 12
>Can take Bulky models
>Amphibious
>Front armour 12
Can anyone dethrone the king of MEHTAL BAWKSES?
>>46961578
I only have three pictures and the one from last thread was popping up duplicate and I couldn't be assed to edit it. It'll be the next one, don't worry too much anon.
>>46961593
land raiders can
or could, before hull points and all the other power creep
>>46961593
Yes. The Repressor.
>>46961582
Most fucked and fluff raped will be the voidraven.
>>46961584
squats are an essential part of every guardsman's fitness regime
>>46961593
>>46961608
This.
>75 points
>10 Capacity
>4 (FOUR) Fire Ports
>3 Access Ramps
>Storm Bolter AND Flamer
>Front Armour 13 (THIRTEEN)
>13/11/10 HP3
>>46961582
Not aircraft, but armies.
Blood Angels and Grey Knights have no way of taking down aircraft without Forge World units.
>>46961582
FW ones since they all will become unusable.
Daily reminder that this is a dying thread of a dying game, not only X-wing is destroying 40k on every charts but now also Age of Sigmar.
>>46961647
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.
Here's your (you)
>>46961647
Still no evidence as the sites which do the rankings haven't done a 2016 one.
Have the (You) and fuck off.
>>46961665
The evidence is on the picture butthurt boy l2read.
>>46961647
Funny thing is, those brutes and megaboss make for great MANZ and MAWZ
Can anyone tell me what the horizontal firing Arc of the Fellblade Quad-Lascannons is?
I want to convert a GW Baneblade into a Fellblade and I want to know how much I have to change on the turrets.
Wait, there are new aircraft coming out this week(?) If so, anybody got pictures? I keep seeing stuff bout rule changes.
>>46961671
Anonymous source. So, nothing. Cool beans. Final (You). Come with some actual hard evidence or fuck off.
>>46961748
This week and the following week is AoS no aricraft, GW realizes no use for dead game when AoS doing so well it cannabalizes 40K sales.
>>46961748
One for Orks and one for Space Marines.
>>46961630
>more points
>less room
>storm bolter and flamer instead of multilaser replaceable with heavy bolter or heavy flamer and a heavy bolter or heavy flamer
I'll stick with the Chimera.
>>46961776
>One for Orks
No orks Orruks like pic
>>46961647
Age of Sigmar has been destroying itself on every start since the get go.
Age of Sigmar was a fucking mistake.
>>46961708
No.
They make for great Iron Horde minis in a Warcraft d20 game though.
>>46961582
Orks.
Whenever the question is "What will be most fucked by X", the answer is always Orks.
>26 Posts
>Its already an AoS shitshow
>>46961796
>>46961798
>YFW Blizzard wins the case and has their lawyers going around gamestores, confiscating armies as counterfeit goods and fines LGSs to death for the sale.
>>46961797
We will have to see won't we? Let's not do this. The guy is fishing for these responses. If AoS is doing well, who the fuck cares? Means 40k will get some of the love eventually.
>>46961776
Cool, any pictures?
>>46961782
I'd rather have the better armour and 4 fire ports for my Retributors.
>>46961843
>>46961812
It's one guy fishing for (You)'s. It's probably the same guy who played the "AoS has cost GW millions and they're dying this year" shitposts.
Anyone else sometimes play music during games for specific occasions?
>when all three valks/vendettas come in from reserves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AlEvy0fJto
>when the last ratling sniper finally goes down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAAiYMgFcbw
>>46961862
Thanks man. I can hear my CSMfag friend and his tears from here.
>>46961728
It seems to be ~45°.
>>46961862
Wazbom Blastajet. thats a proppa Orky name if I ever read one
>>46961879
>mfw my ork playing friend is still whining
>it's spilling over into his space wolves army where he fianlly got rules for his old metal wulfen again
>but still whines because melee is dead so they're probably useless anyway
>meanwhile I have picked up my old SM army again and winning despite the dice hating my guts
So I will (hopefully) be playing my first 2000/2500 point game with my Necrons this weekend against some Ultramarines.
For 2000 points I can bring a Reclamation Legion and a Royal Court. I don't have the overpowered formations with Wraiths or Destroyers and I think SM is close to a full Battle Company (at lower points he played with the Demi Company) and at 2500 he may bring the Armored Task Force.
Since I play a mostly infantry army (I have Lychguards for the Orikan Star in the Reclamation Legion) would it be fair to use the formations to help my durabilty against his?
For 2500 I have the anhilation Nexus to add to my 2k list (I need more tombblades to hit exactly 2500).
Would I be better off just posting my list?
>>46961931
At least being a shit army means you get to have games and if you win it's due to skill or luck. Being Tau/Eldar is not as satisfying.
I'm still salty as a BA player andSoB player
>>46961958
You forgot marines on that list.
He even said he rolls like shit and wins anyway. Newmarines in a nutshell. Someone at GW is dedicated to buffing the shit out of marines until they can stomp Tau and Eldar, instead of doing the sensible thing and nerfing Tau and Eldar instead.
>>46961958
>>46961931
>wulfen
>worthless
he is a fucking idiot
>>46961990
Of course you'd win if you spam Grav Devs and Grav Cents and all the insane formations and shit.
Here is the list for >>46961936
1996/2000
Reclamation Legion
Overlord - 145
>Solar Staff, Tachyon arrow, Resurrection Orb
10 Immortals - 300
>Night Scythe
8 Lychguard - 370
>Night Scythe, Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield
2x10 Warriors - 235
>Ghost Ark
20 Warriors - 260
>Walk with the RL's OL
3 Tomb Blades - 66
>Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, TL Gauss Blaster
Royal Court
Orikan the Diviner - 120
Vargard Obyron - 120
Overlord - 145
>Veil of Darkness, Gauntlet of Fire, Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarab
All I can do for 2500 is add the Annihilation Nexus (Doomsday Ark and 2 Annihilation Barges) which will only bring me to 2406 so I need like 5 more Tombblades unfortunately.
>>46961958
I'm cautiously optimistic about SoB, seeing what they've done with harlies and admech. The fact that I'd have to pay for what amounts to 20 marines for 10 sisters that I can't convert is what makes me stay away from them.
I'm expecting/hoping them to wait for all their metal bits to sell out before making an update.
>and if you win it's due to skill or luck.
I swear to god, this is almost right out of his mouth, except for the salty shadowside. Every time he gets rekt, it's because everything else is cheese and OP, and when he wins it's because he's a tactical genius. In every single game ever. It extends to things in vidya not working the way he thinks it does, in which case the game is bugged, despite him being the only one who has that problem, every time in every game.
>>46961931
Hey Alex.
>>46962049
If he's Orks vs Eldar/Tau, then him winning is down to luck or skill. You should be able to faceroll as Eldar/Tau.
>>46962049
Also, forgot to say, most people who play SoB are using Raging Heroes stuff as proxies.
GW mentioned SoB in a fluff section of Angels of Death, so they keep mentioning them. I keep hoping, anon. They were mentioned going to go wreck the Tau in Damocles Gulf. So hopefully that's what will happen. I keep hoping for a CSM vs SoB Warzone.
>>46962018
>>46961990
My army consisted of 30 tacticals with flamers in rhinos, 3 bikers with two grav guns (they killed four SoB and then almost got their asses by the remaining sister in CC , 9 termines with one assault cannon, 19 sternguards and a captain in drop pods, second pod whiffed completely and did absolutely no damage before they were wiped out. It's basically the leftovers of babby's first army I gathered up 10 years ago. Apart from the terminators and the drop pods themselves, nobody was capable of hitting anything or making any saves. The drop pods single handedly whiped his inquisitor warlord's retinue with their storm bolters and forcing him to go to ground in cover and hide like a bitch.
>>46961593
The Ork trukk is the best assault transport in the game.
-At 35 points you can afford to buy it for every assault squad you have and suicide it in to some ruins close to the enemy lines turn 1.
-It's fast so you can move 12+12
-Transport capacity of 12 and can transport bulky models.
-Has a special ability that allows you to downgrade pens if you're the type of person who can roll 6s
It has only one weaknessit can only transport Orks.
>>46961883
Thank you.
>>46962120
Do orks have any battle brothers?
>>46962091
>most people who play SoB are using Raging Heroes stuff as proxies.
Most of their current stuff really seems like it would be using Codex: AM though.
>>46961639
>Blood Angels and Grey Knights have no way of taking down aircraft without Forge World units.
Every army has the option to buy a Quad Gun, even the Tyranids
>>46962128
Nope
>>46962142
Yeah I should have qualified. Mobile AA.
>>46962128
more orks.
>>46961593
Daily reminder that inquisition get chimera 10 pts cheaper and can make the stock heavy bolter STR 6 for cheap.
>>46962142
And every army has the option to ally in Eldar to do their job 100 times better than them.
What's your point?
>>46962140
They should be out by May iirc. Or part of them anyway.
Where in the rulebook does it says that you can dsicard tactical objectives cards after each turn?
>>46962181
Depends on the mission type, it will be in the rules for each mission.
>>46962170
And it has more firing ports.
>>46962188
Ok, thanks I was looking through the rulebook and couldn't find anything that said you could discard them
>>46962091
>>46962175
Stop shilling your terrible models. They're even more horribly overdesigned than the shit in AOS, which is quite an achievement.
>>46962171
And what is your's? My point is that every army can take AA in their primary detachment if they go with CAD
>>46962175
They're chests look so silly.
STOP SEXUALISING SoB!!!
>>46961593
No but you forgot the MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE:
Officers can give orders out of a chimera.
Just got an Inquisitor army. A fuckhuge one. Abou 5000 points (alright, about a 1000 of them are probably grey knights, it is rather old)
Any good ideas on list building? The Acolytes seem like an easy trap option, since I feel I could quickly make them super expensive for no real gain.
And the sheer amount of options for HQs, holy shit. I have no idea how to even begin here.
>>46962205
I don't think you know what the word shilling means. Either way, I can't buy the glorious GW models anyway. I'm not paying £50 for 10 models.
>>46962205
I know, right? Based Diaz. Where have you gone?
>>46962192
even better.
>>46962221
Acolytes are fine.
A few guidelines on them though :
>never upgrade them beyond 4+ armour
>Remember the limitation on special weapons
>Bolters are kinda meh.
As for what to do with your HQ options, what do you want them to do ?
>>46961647
>>46962221
Death cult assassins+crusaders=hammernator light.
Acolytes exist to be given bolters and special weapons. An acolyte with a bolter costs as much as a guardsman and is identical except he has a bolter instead of a lasgun, and three of them can be given special weapons like vet squads. Special weapons they can fire out of their chimeras because their chimeras are not guard chimeras, just cheaper and with more firing ports.
>>46962243
The white boxes should be Betrayal at Calth sets. Or X-Wing expansions.
>>46962243
>oh shit it's a strawman comic.jpg
>oh shit a mspaint comic, bet you look stupid now.jpg
See, I can do it too anon!
>>46962263
Bit then again, you pretty much never want the chimera since there's also an option of oldschool Psyback. Rhino with 36" BS4 twinlinked S6 ap4 heavy 3 for meager 40pts is just a steal.
>>46962269
Until evidence is provided to prove either side, not anedotal, not from anonymous sources, but actual hard evidence. You have to go on what we know. AoS is being supported heavily. This implies it isn't doing so bad that GW doesn't see investing as a bad thing.
I'm not going to take business advice from anybody on a Brunei Etch-A-Sketch animation BBS website. Especially not /biz/. So I wish people would stop bringing this shit in or provide concrete proof for their position.
>>46962279
I don't play inquisition as much as I've played against them, and never run into this so I didn't know about it.
It's disgusting, I love it.
>>46962291
Yeah, Lord knows Games Workshop would never make stupid decisions.
>>46962291
To be honest I kinda like AoS (not that Im planning to buy anything for it), it has made me take up my beastmen army again. It was not a big army but now I can use the models to play some short fun games on saturday nights with my friends after we play our 40k games
>>46962274
>post a shitty MS-paint picture with an assertion
>can't deal with someone else posting a shitty MS-paint picture with an assertion
>have to post a shitty MS-paint picture with an assertion
What's the problem, anon, can't take the heat?
>>46962302
I never denied that. I don't want it shitting up 40kg.
>>46962329
Good for you anon. Prepare to be shitposted for going against the status quo.
>>46962330
That's why I said "See, I can do it too anon!"
Didn't you get the, gasp, joke? Sorry I butthurt you, anon.
>>46962279
Out of interest how many fire ports does a rhino have?
I could see it being pretty cost effective to bring along two or three acolytes with melta/plasma in addition to sitting in a cheap metal box
>>46962329
You're the reason why GW sucks. Stop supporting shit and we might actually get something good. But no, have fun playing with your Space Marines IN FANTASY.
>>46962354
2 points
>>46962212
They are what?
>>46962358
>Beastmen, space marines. Yea they are pretty similarI was being ironic if you didn't catch that
>>46962354
One, which two models can fire out of.
>>46962372
All covered in the same shit. Good job ruining 40k as well.
>>46962389
Fuck off m8.
If he ain't buying any models from GW, just using old ones, he isn't ruining the game.
GW doesn't care about games played, only products sold. If he aint making the latter number go up, he isn't encouraging GW to continue the abortion that is AoS
If the Stormsurge has spaceship-level weaponry, could they be equipped with anti-orbital weaponry in the fluff?
>>46962007
I feel bad for Fire Dragons. They used to be the bees knees with short ranged destruction, but now they're gone, with Wraithguard able to shoot out stronger attacks that don't need to be in 6 inch melta range, while also being tough as nails.
Can a character like Master Harath Shen use his Salamander chapter tactics to make his power sword master crafted?
>>46962403
>plays game
>therefore advertising it
Uh-huh.
>>46962445
It says so, doesn't it? So I say yes.
assuming GW did the impossible and actually released plastic sisters, what would the Start Collecting! box look like?
I guess a safe bet would be 2 squads of 5 (or a squad of 10), a canoness, and a penitent engine.
Although I suppose if they were to release plastic sisters they'd also add more units to flesh the army out a bit more, so it's hard to say.
>>46962455
>complains about AoS
>therfore advertises it
You know what the best part is?
You're doing itFOR FREE
>>46962463
I'm just too used to special characters not having options, but I guess that's just because they're not listed as options in the entry, unlike chapter tactics.
>>46962497
I wasn't even the other guy. I was bored, wanted a (You). Sorry anon.
>>46962467
Yeah, 10 dudeettes, a character and a vehicle seems the pattern for a lot of them. Some get a little bit extra, like orks having 5 nobs in there too, but orks are a horde faction so their basic troops aren't worth as much (from a pure £/model view). I suspect plastic sisters would be expensive enough that that wouldn't happen.
Personally I'd rather see a new immolator/exorcist kit in there, but for some reason the get started boxes don't tend to include transport vehicles. Maybe it's so new players learn to play with boots on the ground, rather than games just being red hot lesbian vehicle on vehicle action.
>>46961582
Stormraven and Heldrake losing conditional Skyfire fucks over BA, GK, and CSM as far as anti-air options go, but that's not particularly surprising. Fliers have been in the game for two editions now, and there are still armies severely lacking in AA.
>t-t-things are gonna get better guys
>n-new CEO!
>>46962544
Why would grey knights need skyfire anyway. It's not like daemons ever come with wings or anything...
>>46962467
your guess of 2 squads of standart sister, a canoness and a penitent engine, sounds about right.
The start collecting! boxes usually consist of 1-2 standart troops, 1 signature vehicle/elite unit of the faction, and the standart customizeable HQ.
>>46962349
Ah, the old "I was only pretending to be retarded" defence.
>>46962511
I am going give you another you and ask a question.
When was the last time 40K model were sold out while they were in Pre-Order? The AoS "Orruk" models were sold out recently while they were on pre-order last week.
Step up, 40Kfags, you are not supporting the hobby enough.
>>46962573
The imperial space marine. So 11/12 days ago.
>>46962441
Dragons are actually more useful when it comes to deleting vehicles. BS5, AP1 with the Assured Destruction rule on cheaper Battle Focus models is actually better than the D. Also, Fusion Guns aren't 6 inch range silly.
>>46962573
Step up? Who do you think are buying those 'Orruk' models? It's 40k ork players.
>>46962573
Also various terrain peices are still not available
>>46962587
Not fair, it was a one time special model with broken rules.
I meant ordinary on the counter models.
>>46962573
>Step up, 40Kfags, you are not supporting the hobby enough.
Maybe GW should make a game worth supporting? This Flyer release makes the game even more rock-papers-scissors, and fucking include rock-papers-scissors as one of its resolution mechanics. Game balance has never been this bad. Fuck, I hope AoS is actually selling wellit isn't, GW wouldn't eat crow on point values if the game wasn't floundering. Maybe then they'll go full Age of the Emperor and homebrew 40k fixes can take off.
>>46962612
They'll probably release a 40k End Times when sales eventually dry up
>>46962544
>Says nothing about losing skyfire, only gaining special rules
>Sky must be falling
>>46962240
>As for what to do with your HQ options, what do you want them to do ?
Either full on PURGE THE XENO in close combat, or a backfield sniper/support. Or both, my local area runs 2k point games, so I will likely need more than one.
>>46962625
I'm not that guy, but itt's a fair point, though.
That model was specifically designed to sell out on the day it released.
>>46962632
Oh, it'll happen, but not until the well is dried up. AoS showed them that torpedoing their own gamelines doesn't work, but the End Times did result in a surge of sales.
>>46962599
If they are, then they are cuckolding 40K (and whfb since they are validating AoS).
>>46962645
Only fighters get Skyfire now. Keep up or shut up.
Why not assume the sky is falling? When was the last 40k release that wasn't a hilarious disappointment?
New Deathwing vidya trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kub5vOaT0V8
GET HYPE
>With a story co-written by renowned Dark Angels author Gav Thorpe
ABANDON HYPE
>>46962699
This trailer does nothing to answer my big question regarding this game:
What will the condition of my terminator's legs be?
>>46962699
>>With a story co-written by renowned Dark Angels author Gav Thorpe
>>46962685
>Puts on shit tinted glasses
>Looks at 40k
>Sees shit
Yup, found the problem here
If I need skyfire, a simple building or two, hell even the aegis line works.
But I don't always need skyfire, and I don't always take my planes for the sole role of destroying enemy fliers.
Then again, if you want to assume the sky is falling based on incomplete leaks, please do and sell your army for cheap on ebay so you can have regrets later.
>>46962365
My grammar gets squibly when I get irritated.
What chapter tactics would loyalist versions of the traitor legions use?
>>46962699
Gameplay-wise, it looks a lot like a better version of that god-awful Aliens game, with heavy influence from the Treyarch Call of Duty Zombies mode. It's also reminiscent of the co-op mode from Space Marine.
Not bad. Looks promising. Hopefully it's not buggy and is optimised well for us plebs, and the story is actually a big thing.
>>46962735
>even the aegis line works.
>a single quad autocannon
>enough to handle the swarms of fliers encouraged by Death from the Skies
Have fun manning your Aegis when a swarm of fliers swoops by and shreks your dudes with Ignores Cover rape. Remember, the faster your dudes die, the more minis you have to buy and put on the table.
>>46962699
>Hating on the Loremaster
>>46962759
Black Legion/Word Bearers: Ultramarines
Iron Warriors: Imperial Fists
World Eaters: Black Templars
Night Lords: White Scars
Death Guard: Iron Hands
Emperor's Children: Salamanders
Alpha Legion: Raven Guard
The Thousand Sons are a wild card.
>>46962646
For melee goodnes, an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor is probably best.
Termie armor, Nemesis Daemonhammers and brain mines ahoy !
Ordo Xenos can do some fun at ringe with a conversion beamer, and do melee in a pinch with rad/psycho grenades.
If you want a bit of both Inquisitor Torquemada is pretty allright at mlee, and can buff a hellrifle/plasma/whatever acolyte squad quite well.
>>46962263
>chimeras
My local group insists on the "outdated rules" argument, claiming I have to use the newest version, AKA the guard version. So the psyback is significantly better from my perspective.
>>46962795
>The Thousand Sons are a wild card.
Chapter Tactics:Blood Ravens
>>46962812
then your group is retarded.
>>46962807
*range
>>46962814
I hate you anon. I was going to say that.
>>46962795
>Word bearers using Ultramarine rules
The Ironing
>>46962807
Inquisitors generally are better supporting a melee troop than trying to wade in themselves.
I get good results with putting an inquisitor with plasma siphon, rad grenades and level 1 psychic in a big vanguard vet squad with drop pod.
But then I play against lots of imperium players so if their plasma guns wont work they're not sure what to do.
>>46962910
They'd be using BT rules, if anything.
>>46962725
They'll be fine.I combined two memes in here
>>46962732
His work is mediocre at best. David Annadale and Josh Reynolds are my main men recently.
>>46962934
>Josh Reynolds was told by GW to shut up and don't talk about their IPs lore on social media
>ADB, Gav, and Andy Chambers are free to talk about whatever they want and GW does nothing to them
Why is Josh being singled out?
>>46962787
Go fuck your Khaine the Slanny/Khorne child.
>>46962973
Was he? That's fucking BOLLOCKS. Reynolds actually answers fucking questions about the lore which GW is too lazy to fucking clear up.
Maybe it's cause Josh is too 'new' for GW? I dunno. Maybe he isn't ELITE LOREMASTER SUPREME.
>>46962973
Because mister Josh thought it was okay for himself to establish the lore for AoS's setting on his personal blog
>>46962699
Huh, I didn't know there were hybrids in space hulks. Stealers look a bit slow but the video doesn't show enough
>>46962992
If the rumours are true, GW is more keen on the players to set the lore through in game campaigns. They've already done one such event at Warhammer World this year, the rumour is they're doing a global event where you play campaigns and the results are sent to GW who writes the lore based on said results.
Imagine Storm of Chaos but this time GW don't have to keep trying to justify how Chaos is STILL in the fight despite losing every single fight.
>>46962912
I have half a mind about slamming a ordo xenos inquisitor with rad grenades and liber heresius into a 50 man guard blob along with a priest, azrael and harath shen.
Just to be a colossal faggot.
>>46963022
Likely just to make the game less samey. They said they created new weapons too. But Genestealers on a Hulk isn't too beyond imagination. A ship merges with the hulk and the genestealers infected everybody who then have babies with each other and produce a cult. Or maybe it was a cult ship that was spreading to another planet (this is established in lore) and got merged with the hulk during warp?
>>46962787
He's great, except when he has to write Dark Angels. For some reason he just can't do it with them.
>>46963051
A small mind has no room for doubt, anon. Don't give in. Do it. For the Emperor.
Don't forget to cast Rending pysker power on them to get delicious Rending on every shot.
>>46962787
I know, right?
>>46963022
>Huh, I didn't know there were hybrids in space hulks.
"Genestealer" added the rules for hybrids and librarians to regular space hulk.
Old school. Trust in the frogs.
Is it possible lorewise for Techmarines and Masters of the Forge to create Artificer Terminator Armour?
>>46962699
Thrope's Law will strike again.
>>46963062
I heard the Caliban trilogy are decent. I haven't read them, though, so I don't have a personal opinion on them.
>>46962986
>I've been asked to stop answering questions related to GW/BL intellectual property on social media. I have also been asked to reiterate that my opinions are my own and in no way reflect the opinions and policies of Games Workshop or Black Library. Sorry.
That's from Josh Reynolds's ask.fm.
GW is cracking down!
>>46963097
All terminator armour is artificer-made.
Is it possible for techmarines to make terminator armour? In most cases no, that knowledge is far beyond their experience level. But for a Master of the Forge? Possibly, but it would take them a very, very long time to create even one suit. That's why they're such precious commodities, even when damaged.
>>46963097
Techmarines and Masters of the Forge can do what the fuck they want.
>>46963059
>Likely just to make the game less samey.
What I thought first but apparently there have been few WD articles
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Hulk
>"Appeared near Septimus 5 carrying artefacts dating back from the Dark Age of Technology. The Dark Angels Terminators including a large contingent of Librarians boarded the hulk and encountered large groups of Genestealers and Psychic hybrids."
>"Appeared near Perdus Magnus system; Blood Angels Captain Barik boarded with several squads of Terminators and faced off Genestealers and hybrids."
>"Appeared near the Space Wolves Base 10709 around the Star of Fenris. Captains Huron Tem and Vortigern (4th Company) as well as Sergeants Capel, Luther, Faust, Horst, Gunnar, Alric, Volund, and accompanying squads of Terminators boarded and fought Genestealers and Psychic hybrids."
I hope they included a few Magus in the game, psychic fuckery is always fun
>>46963120
>All terminator armour is artificer-made.
Well here's me being a retard and thinking they're mutually exclusive.
>>46963123
Even make "improvements" to the chapter's power armour e.g. by putting plates at the abdomen area? Not trying to troll but just trying to gauge the extent
>>46963120
i need to check the vanilla book, but do techmarines do the conversions for centurion suits themselves or do they ship it out to mars?
>>46963110
>GW is cracking down!
>>46962612
>rps
>a bad thing in wargames
honestly i don't doubt GW would fuck it up because half the factions will be missing a rock a paper or a scissor but rps works great in wargames
generally speaking more points = better at killing everything
right now
>>46963153
>GW finds out about 4chan
>finds out that /tg/ circulates pirated rulebooks and chinaman models
>GW strong arms Japanese moot into closing down /tg/.
>>46963090
>Trust in the frogs.
Always
>>46962699
OH SHIT NIGGER
DIS GON BE GUD
So, when will the legions of chaos start getting their own codices?
>>46963134
Well, they can get away with shit like "what happens if we stick a vindicator gun in a land raider?" so adding plates to armour seems okay.
Also, certain chapters modify their armour anyway. I'm pretty sure the blood angels' abplate isn't an STC.
>>46963074
Maybe I'd need to get two, so they can both reroll and get rending on those tons of first rank fire second rank fire shots.
>>46963134
>Well here's me being a retard and thinking they're mutually exclusive.
It helps to remember that "artificer armour" isn't a set mark, like crusade, iron or aquila. It's just powered armour made by a master craftsman.
>>46963220
Never. We're going to be stuck with a single, shit, schizo codex for the forseeable future. Don't worry though, they'll make sure to throw us a mediocre and disappointing bone every couple months so that one of their largest playerbases doesn't quit.
>>46963220
>Legions
>Chaos
good one, buddy.
>>46963172
>>46963266
Epic post, friendo :^)
>>46963266
The whole "Legions are dead and gone" thing would be a lot more believable if the majority of our characters, studio painted models, and lore wasn't completely focused around them. As it is, it's just a shitty excuse for gutting the faction.
>post yfw chaos gets squatted next edition
>>46962770
Oh hive tyrant spam? Or maybe daemon prince spam?
I don't waste my time playing faggots, so it won't be an issue.
>>46963051
Shove in Librarius Conclave too and you're golden.
>>46963295
I actually agree with you.
It saddens me that pretty much all special characters etc are people left over from the legion days.
Could be fun if they added a couple of named chaos warband leaders or something. It would atleast lend some strength to the scizo 'legions scattered' angle GW wants.
>>46963321
Nah. The NPC races will never actually get squatted, they always have to be there to job and make the protagonist factions look good.I started orks when I got tired of trying to make non-flyrant tyranids work. What the fuck is wrong with me.
>>46963331
No, one of the new flight patterns in Death from the Skies is going to grant Ignores Cover.
>>46963321
>Edgy faggots get BTFO
>>46963377
It's a shame, because there are some really cool warbands mentioned in the codex, but they get zero love or support.
>>46963227
Nah the only stc the angels had on hand following the horus heresy was the nipple armour stc, and nothing else, so much so that nipples are still in wide circulation centuries after they acquired regular armour.
Anyone got the rules for Imperial Knight renegade? I was considering buying it as a starting 40k player because anyone would want to play as a huge walker bot and it'd be fun with my mates.
Is it fun with just the two walkers, or do I need an entire army backing the two of em up?
>>46963321
>>46963414
You just hate us cause you're not us.
>>46963294
>>46963295
>"Little remains of the organised Legions that waged war upon ancient Terra. Millennia of jealousies and infighting have broken down the Legions into companies and warbands of varying size. Each is led by a captain or champion of Chaos who pursues his own destiny."
>>46963439
I do wish basic marines would be as good as they portrayed in the fluff. They are just so damn cool but... nah, 2+ and off the table you go.
>>46963321
i have no face, but have this
>>46963377
another problem is they keep pulling chaos marines in vastly different directions which have different tech, ethos and so on. mostly it's the tech and daemon angle that really doesn't fit
>broken legions
>renegades
>newly turned or possessed
>>46963452
>there are people on this VERY BOARD who say Sanguinary Guard are great because "you can use cover"
>>46963399
And I care because why?
A little ignores cover isn't going to ruin my day.
If anything I now have more of a reason to take my firestorm redoubt, complete with void shield and magos machine spirit.
>>46963416
uploaded it a while ago for a different anon
page 2 was unclear so i scanned it again , it's the last page
http://www.mediafire.com/download/js22o65ddluxb96/rules.pdf
>>46963439
>not, 'you hate us cause you ain't us'
you had one job anon.
all marines should have feel no pain tbqhwithyoufamilam
>>46962699
>Librarian with assault cannon
>>46963445
And yet the vast majority of published CSM material deals with the legion remnants. Hell, the only non-Legion character that we get is noteworthy because he formed his own proto-Legion. If they want to kill the Legions, give us rules for warbands instead.
>>46963321
There is no 40k without Chaos
>>46963520
Yeah and while were at it lets give Orks I1 and tyranids can't take flyrants anymore
Any ideas on converting a necron command/annihilation barge to something chaos or dark admech
>>46963530
Technically speaking you're wrong, because the very first edition didn't have chaos at all to begin with.
Does the Overkill Terminator have rules where I can put him in a normal game?
Can I stick him in a squad or is he a single model unit?
>>46963520
Only uncouth swine use the word "ain't". My negro.
We're beautiful Space Vampires.
>>46963489
You being a contrarian, shit-eating retard doesn't change the fact that Ignores Cover is a shit rule and its proliferation does nothing but hurt the game.
I wonder when we're going to start seeing more ways to degrade/negate invuln saves.
*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.
>>46963548
Drill a hole in the face. Boom, GW certified Chaos conversion.
>>46963445
>word bearers still a legion
>abbadon reformed the Sons of Horus as the Black legion
>Angron could probably round up enough World Eaters to legion size if he wanted to
>A good chunk of the Death Guard still follow Mortarion
Can geedubs decide if we're allowed Chaos legions or not?
>>46963560
GW's got a pdf with all the 40k rules for the set on their site.
>Can I stick him in a squad or is he a single model unit?
Single model unit. He CAN be in a weird super-squad of all the deathwatch from overkill, but that is not a very good idea.
So I'm considering coming back to 40k due to some friends picking it back up. I was looking at Eldar, but apparently they're OP as fucking shit so they're out of the question. I used to play CSM and I found them dull as fuck, did their new codex make them more interesting? How about them Blood Angels?
>>46963565
>Ignores Cover is a shit rule
Ever consider you just might be shit at the game instead?
Ignore cover means nothing than you don't get a cover save
If your entire plan revolves around getting a cover save, I've got news for you, they can just psychically MOVE THE TERRAIN so you won't get it anyway.
Enjoy being mad about that as well.
>>46963445
Well that nicely explains why there aren't any rules for fielding an entire traitor Legion in games of 40k.
Unfortunately, it does not in any way address any of the concerns that Chaos players have actually raised regarding how skull-fucking retarded GW's treatment of their armies has been.
>>46963598
All codexes are interesting if you don't care about performance. Blood Angels are the lowest tier Space Marines. Just bellow GK's.
>>46963412
A tear shed for what could have been brother.
Guess i'll have to stick with naming my slaaneshy warpsmith and make weird unit compositions.
>>46963472
Agreed.
GW, please settle on what you want CSM to be.
>>46963489
>firestorm redoubt
>void shield
>magos machine spirit
of course the imperium factions aren't hit that hard, but other factions rely on it more.
>>46963548
what >>46963576 said.
Jokes aside, maybe add some of those metally tentacles from the mauler fiend/ defiler
could work for some dark mechanicus stuff.
also bulk it up and maybe make some parts look organic so you get a sense of the daemon possessing the vehicle.
>>46963577
This is GW we're talking about.
we all know that answer anon.
>>46963598
you can do eldar without being OP.
Just keep away from formations and turn down on the use of wraith-named units.
you'll still be strong, but you've removed alot of the problems that make eldar unbearable to fight against.
>>46963620
fuck i'd settle for 'space marine chapter tactics: Chaos version'
>>46963607
Two shit rules combining to turbofuck cover-reliant armies doesn't make the game less shit.
>>46963607
That spell is a pretty shitty thing, too.
Ignores Cover (and too powerful cover saves) are shit that this game doesnt need from balance point of view.
Ignores cover should be changed into Sunder Cover: Forced rerolls on successful cover saves. Still good thing to have but doesnt negate a whole tactical aspect of the game.
>>46963728
Sunder Cover, pretty good idea anon.
>>46963607
not to throw fuel on the fire but some factions do rely on cover or don't have decent saves, orks and dark eldar come to mind
>>46963607
>If your entire plan revolves around getting a cover save, I've got news for you, they can just psychically MOVE THE TERRAIN so you won't get it anyway.
Tyranids
>>46963728
>Ignores cover should be changed into Sunder Cover: Forced rerolls on successful cover saves. Still good thing to have but doesnt negate a whole tactical aspect of the game.
And NEVER allow rerolls on failed cover saves, for any reason.
>>46963728
I'd rather just see it go to a base -1 to Cover Saves. That way Auspex and Omnispex can use it as well.
>>46963797
Well thats given, its already basic mechanic that Reroll Failed/Reroll Succesful negate each other.
>>46963660
Yea, the imperial factions don't suffer as much, which doesn't help that they are half the game.
>>46963726
>anon confirmed as shit
>>46963728
Well if the game had LOS blocking terrain, that would help. Like forests you can't see through, or having going to ground limit LOS into terrain.
>>46963767
Both could be fixed with codex updates, and don't forget DE are glass cannons anyway
>>46963768
Trust me, I feel understand the plight of tyranids right now...
>Be guard
>playin casual games
>SM opponent suggests one of the new SM missions
>surewhynot.jpg
>he rolls out a librarius conclave
>i roll out my imperial knight
>i don't look at the mission name but theres 3 objectives, all of them in my deployment zone
>I cap one, he snags another, we end up contesting the last one when I roll a chimera onto it
>highlights: my knight whiffs himself to death against Lysander like a 3.5 monk, he surfs some 3+ ruins (techmarine) around the battlefield using the new geomancy power, my ministorum priest blows himself up on turn 1 with a plasma gun, and his thunderhawk gets rekt by my aegis flak gun in one interceptor shot (three pens and he flubbed the jink)
>i hold out my hand to shake for a draw
>HOLD IT (like phoenix wright i swear)
>the mission has a special rule
>Attrition: tally the POINT COST of all COMPLETELY DESTROYED units for each side; whoever has lost fewer gains a victory point
>he has ~300 points left on the board after my knight rekt his sternguard, cents & drop pods (his warlord, his termies, and the librarians)
>i have over 900 points because the shattered remains of at least 3 squads are still wandering around the field
What an odd rule. seems like some sort of screwy, weighted version of kill points.
>>46963439
>pictured: the entirety of the blood angels chapter after a single major battle
>>46963857
>his thunderhawk gets rekt by my aegis flak gun
I was thinking about cover ignoring the other day and how it should be worked on.
Flamers and specialist weapons with Ignores Cover (like IG's Colossus Mortar) should keep it. They pay premium already from it and their AP is usually shitty unless they are superheavy level vehicles.
IG should get Sunder Cover instead of Ignores Cover
Tau get their old -1 cover per marker and that experimental item will turn to Sunder Cover
Phase Shift will give unmodified 4+ cover for the unit they are shooting instead of ignoring it (like old GK Purgarion squad's power)
Hunter's Eye will give Ignores Cover on the user and +1BS for the squad. Still good, less opponents tactics ignoring bullshit.
>>46963821
No, you misunderstand.
You can NEVER reroll cover saves.
E
V
E
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Fuck your 2+ rerollable cover saves. This is the reason we NEED more cover ignoring shit, which is fucking over a ton of other armies for no good reason. The balance becomes complete shit, and the it becomes a game of rock-paper-scissor, rather than an actual tactical game.
>Oh, you play Dark Eldar? I play Tau! I win!
>Oh, you don't have ignores cover? I play Bikers with 2+ rerollable cover! I win!
You can just show up with playing cards signifying the armies, instead of actually making a plastic army. It skips the entire "playing the game" part, which just becomes a formality anyway.
>>46963877
Anon probably meant Stormraven.
>>46963873
That made me smile, then I felt sad.
Imperial Fist players moan about getting wreck in The Beast Rises, but BA have nearly all died, at least twice. Don't hear them bitching about it.
>>46963902
Actually cover rerolling is fine. Ravenwing is pretty much the only thing that does it anyway and they arent really that powerful, even if its Support Squadron (which has 2+ reroll jink)
>>46963912
We got one fucking dude left. It seems they're setting up for a successor chapter to take the Imp Fist name
>>46963565
>degrade/negate invuln saves
Yes, bring back 3e Warscythes please :3
t. asshole Necron player
>>46963813
This. I don't know why GW is so afraid of negative save modifiers.
>>46963955
Nah the first book confirmed that the Inquisition was going to take successor chapter aspirants and send them to IF.
Either way, BA have died nearly completely twice. One due to retard "must purge the biggest space hulk ever" and one due to "lol let's go fight Abbadon on our own"
>>46963955
Hah. Love the TTS pic.
Man, I want to use Iron Hands chapter tactics to see how ridiculous the survivability of something can get, like Smash Prime, but my favorite chapter is an IF successor.
Such is life.
I'm really envious of my friends blood angel army. I wanted to do a melee marines army but I was told BA we're complete shit so I went mantis warriors.
But now I see his units with fast vindicators, tactical squads with heavy flamers, sanguinary guard, death company with bolters and jump packs as well going toe to toe with honour guard and vanguard vets.
What are some things in my codex to make him jealous? I foolish went power claw captain because I didn't realise how good the relic blade was so I'm thinking of getting a new captain. If I give him the burning blade and charge from cover I'm S8 ap2 so I can mash up with death company/sang guard.
>>46964065
>Sanguinary Guard
>Good
If 22ppm naked T4 2+ is 'good', sure. They're ludicrously expensive and get ID'd with ease. They also take up a DC slot. So pointless.
If you want to wreck his DC/SG use Vindicators. I think even Thunderfire Cannons have a S8 shot. As a regular Marine army, if you played the OP shit, you'd wreck his army with ease. Skyhammer alone makes you better.
>>46963975
Are you ready for the third try?
>>46963496
You da real MVP
Rate my 1500 IG list
Pask Punisher
Punisher
4 meltavet chimeras
Vulture gunship
3x3 rapier laser destroyer w Extra cree
1499 pts
>>46964128
You mean Invasion of Baal?
Eh it happened in 2008 and got retconned. I WIN! Mwhahaha!
Should I try and free up 5 points to upgrade my Knight's thermal cannon to a rapid fire battle cannon?
>>46964195
HQ
Cadre Fireblade
Troops
Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod
Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod
Optiminized Stealth Cadre
Stealth Suit Team
2x Shas'ui with Burst Cannon
1x Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster
Stealth Suit Team
2x Shas'ui with Burst Cannon
1x Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster
XV95 Ghostkeel
Cyclic Ion Raker
Twin-Linked Fusion Blaster
2x MV5 Stealth Drones
That leaves me with 1000 to spare. So, three Riptides?
>>46963877
>>46963906
>Stormraven
Yep, sorry. I'm guard, I have enough trouble recognizing my own vehicles.
>>46964195
I like the personality the list displays. I can really see why you chose the army that you did, and I'd love to play against such a unique and interesting force.
>>46964233
Drop meltabombs on your superiors, drop the vindicarespoiler-he's shit and overcostedand give your superiors combiflamers. And yes, battlecannon is better against anything not a Land Raider or terminator, and you should have enough melta anyway. If i were you, i would take the cannonessbareand upgrade as many of the battlesister rhinos to immolators
>>46964255
>memetier IG lists are okay
>memetier Tau lists are bad
Okay then.
>>46964195
>>46964246
>rate my b8
>>46964263
Wait no, maybe not. It had 3 hull points and AV12 but he might have been proxying it. I don't recall.
>>46961593
Chimera is shit anon
We pay twice what others pay, to transport squishy guardsmen, who have to pile out to do any real shooting.
Av 12 is great, but side armor 10 means you aren't that much tougher then a rhino., especically with how long the sides are.
At 55pts and 6 fire points they were thoroughly OK.
>>46964330
>what are army tiers
>>46964281
If I drop the vindicare I can upgrade all the rhinos to immos, hand out combi flamers, and still have an upgraded canoness, with 65 points left over. Now the question is what to do with those points. Vehicle upgrades I guess, or maybe Veteran Superiors.flamer or melta for the troop immolators?
>>46964126
I didn't say I wanted to stomp him I just want more cool close combat units.
Also, his vindicator instant deaths my honour guard just as easily and they cost about as much.
>>46964370
Bring a WAAC list, expect to play other WAAC lists. Don't cry about it like a bitch.
If you don't want to play WAAC lists, bring what you actually want to play and just decline games against tryhards.
>>46964398
ooh, or maybe simulacrums for my dominions
