By some inexplicable event, you have been hired by Black Library to fix the Space Marine fluff.
What do?
>>46936120
First of all, increase chapter size massive. Around 10,000 marines per chapter, if not more than that.
>>46936120
>"fix"
>implying there's anything wrong with it
>implying hipster faggots can be trusted with GW's best selling and most popular IP
>implying Black Library can fix anything rather than simply ruining everything
Haha.
Up the potential recruitment age from 12 to anywhere between 20 and 30 depending on chapter. Recruitment by big burly men putting their seed into abused little boys is way to close to NAMbLA.
First founding chapters are all 10,000 at full strength.
2nd foundings are at 1,000 but own their own homeworlds. Big exception for Black Templars who see themselves as the true inheritors of the legion.
3rd and beyond are at 1,000 and are either nomadic or just live on worlds without owning them.
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Chapters are 10,000 strong and they all worship the Emperor as a God by now. Marines need to be hyper-religious fanatics.
Otherwise their fluff is mostly fine.
>>46936877
They fixed the Templars number issue.
>>46936120
Go back to the Rogue Trader days and inject a bit of humour back into it.
>>46937458
>>46937466
>>46936120
They all have 2 foot long dicks that function fully. This is explicitly stated so people can stop asking about it.
>>46937458
the new templar fluff liked by noone
>>46936120Femalespace marines.
>>46937763
This
>>46937977
But sensibly armoured ones. No bare midriffs.
>>46936120
Make them Knight Templars with economic interests and small armies of chapter serfs, human pilots and drivers. Give them more reasons to interact with Imperium and have ties with humanity.
Increase the limit of space marine per chapter to 10.000.
Remove the most nonsensical glands and change it for something more useful.
>>46937763
>>46937977
>>46938003
Space marines are now 6'4, 380 and make you scream like a lady.
Story of squad leader tarkus
>>46938411
What is this shit, Emperor? Palace for ants?
>>46938003
Her black carapace grants 5+. Additionally her now unusable uterus was turned into protective biological implant to better protect internal organs.
>>46937763
>>46937977
That's fucking stupid. Yeah, lets make male Sisters of Battle while we're at it you fucking faggots.
Fuck. You.
>>46938738
> "Fuck. You."
Taking things a bit way too seriously, are we?
>>46938738
I'm all for bringing back the Fraternis Templars.
They could be of dubious lega status like the unofficial armies of the navigators or the PDFs of Shrine Worlds.
The ecclesiarchy has no standing army of men. Just shit loads of bodyguards, property guards and back up riot squads should the Adeptus Arbiters or the local police need them in a neighbourly and good natured way. Totally not an army. Just very well trained and equipped civilians.
Nothing illegal about having a bit of training. It's only sensible in the war torn galaxy. And their gear is all privately bought and what theybuy in their spare time with their cash is their own business. Nothing illegal going on here officer. Nope. Totally within the law.
Female Space Marines that look exactly the same as male ones, as they've been engineered into the agender post-human monstrosity that the God-Emperor of Mankind created, same as all other Marines.
>>46936120
White Scars have the last Jet Bikes not the fucking Dark Angels
>>46938804
This
>>46938794
But that's actually a really good idea. The space marines are already like angels--they'd be worshipped if the imperial creed weren't so omnipresent. Why not make some uberfrauen?
>>46938411
/r/ing a bigger version of this image.
>>46938794
>Female Space Marines that look exactly the same as male ones
Sounds great. Female Space Marines that look like Blood Angels with shapely armor, nipples and everything.
>>46938828
There are so many simple changes like that, that would straighten out the lore.
Example 2: Space Wolves are Vikings in Space not dog botherers.
>>46937458
Wait, they're down from 6000ish?
Why? What's the point? Flaunting their disregard for the Codex Astartes was part of their thing.
>>46936120
All the surviving or not-dead-yet primarchs come back, grab some chapters and unify them under each own's command, and the primarch leaders form a council answering only to the emperor, and are now in control of every single space marine out there, except the grey faggots.
>pic related
It is known as the third founding, and all the primarchs meet at the golden palace and have each and every space marine under their command swear fealty in front of the golden throne.
>>46938859
Anon, stop
>>46938857
Go to bed, Joel Schumacher
>>46938890
GW hates snowflakes.
Also it doesn't make sense that the Imperium didn't catch up to the Templar legion building shenanigans.
>>46938890
>their disregard for the Codex Astartes
The thing is Black Templars go overstrength legally. Gorillaman wasn't a fool. Chapters are allowed to recruit more marines during crusades to compensate severe casualties in the future. Since Black Templars are always crusading they ignored this limitation for millenia and significantly raised their numbers over time. GW showed they don't know their own fluff.
>>46938932
Imperium didn't catch Douche Angels legion either
>>46938890
Because it was needless, more a result of fancanon, like GK and SW, and >>46938932.
>>46936120
To me, there really isn't too much that really needs to be changed.
I'd just bring back more focus on older lore, but then fucktards like the people on /tg/ would flip out because it isn't 3/4e lore. Ward pulled from RT and 2e almost verbatim and people had aneurysms.
>>46938903
I would actually like this.
>>46938950
They at least have the propriety to openly display chapter functions, rather than hey we have a bunch of guys under the same label.
The same happened to Huron.
>>46938903
>>46938957
And then they all venture on a great crusade into the eye of terror and are never seen again.
>>46938961
>They at least have the propriety to openly display chapter functions
DA don't have the decency to stay loyal. BT has Grand Marshal, each Crusade is a big Battle Company with one leader.
>>46938903
>and all the primarchs meet at the golden palace and have each and every space marine
Imagine the logistics of this shit. It's dumb.
>>46938983
>memery
That isn't an argument.
And I'm speaking of pretenses.
BTs are openly under the singular command of a sole chapter master. That is all the Adeptus Terra would care about.
un yiff the space wolves
>>46938996
>That isn't an argument.
Oh no
>>46938995
>having it make sense
>not having horrible logistics and stupid ceremonies
you are in the wrong setting friend
>>46939001
>hurr hurr dark angels are traitors
It is a meme, and factually false by any and all measures of lore, and you weaken your argument by relying on it as proof of anything.
Now debate with me like a grown up.
>>46939000
no.
>>46939024
I ask you why it's not an argument first. Show me.
>>46939034
>why it's not an argument first
>proven factually false beyond doubt
Or have you not been keeping up on your 40k lore?
>>46939044
>proven factually false beyond doubt
You haven't done that, anon. Go on.
>>46939050
So you haven't.
Because if you had been keeping up on 30k, you'd know that Lion was not a traitor, it's on fucking Lexicanum for christssake. But please, keep bleating your (outdated) memes and thinking that is an argument.
>>46938903
Space marines are then renamed to Thunder Warriors after the third founding, and librarians are now called shamans, and the jetbike is mandatory for all spae marines.
>>46939081
>So you haven't.
And again you haven't done anything to defend your claim. Honestly, I'm a bit sad you gave up without a fight. Rubbing faggots who love to squeal "not an argument" in their own pee is fun. Good luck.
>>46936120
Stop making every last book about them. Start making Space marines this incredibly rare force that after ten thousands years have transcended into myth. That they are seen as ACTUAL angels. The common citizen of the imperium believes in them but doesn't know if they are real.
People see statues and stain-glass depictions of these holy vessels of the Emperor's will they see something beyond human ethereal even. So when they finally show up they aren't gleaming polished plates of armor. They are weathered beaten and over maintained. you can see where paint was applied, polished, and reapplied again. They aren't stark and pure in appearance, they have many pouches and accoutrements one would need for battle. Space Marines are just a fragment of a long bygone age.
That when someone finally sees a Space Marine the ideal they had built in their mind is utterly and completely shattered. That Space Marines are real, they are ordinary, yet how they behave and how they live is so beyond human its almost incomprehensible. That when this day finally comes the magic and mystery about Space Marines entirely vanishes from their eyes and they see them for what they truly are. Just an old fighting force steeped in tradition and ceremony.
>>46939153
I like that. You can imagine an old as fuck Space Marine, may be a chaplain may be just a regular marine with a custom skulljob on his helmet and not like they would know the difference, looking down upon a squad of terrified guardsmen who asked him why they don't shine like angels coming out with something like
"We are a failing breed. The age of demi-gods and super soldiers is fading. We were built to claim victory in the Great Crusade and then fall into the dust. Our day is done and we had to carry on and soon we will bleed away. We will be eclipsed by the Greatness of the Guard and lesser but better men and their victories. Maybe this isn't a bad way to go. Maybe we are at peace with this".
>>46938790
I can literally see an Inquisitor trying to investigate the Faternis and being utterly stonewalled by legal red tape, Ecclesiarchy pushback, costs of investigations, and pro-Ecclesiarchy corruption within the Inquisition.
>>46938903
I like that.
But I would make it like the Mechanicus.
The returned primarchs run, as a council, their worlds and fleets semi-independent of the rest of the Imperium.
They send a representative, usually a highly educated and extremely patient serf or unaugmented but respected human of some sort., to the council of the High Lords of Terra much like the Fabricator General of Mars has a chair in that office.
The difference is that the spokesman for the Astartes doesn't rule the astartes, he just represents them and passes on messages of the returned Primarchs.
Also the no-primarch chapters should have a Regent or something rather than submitting to the will of an outsider. Imperial Fists decide at the Feat of Blades, Black Templars officially broke off and send their own, Blood Angels have a vote between Chapter Masters but aren't allowed to vote for anyone in their own chapter.
>>46936120
Increase the size of first founding chapter to 5,000. 10,000 for the space wolves. Also give the Space wolves some successors so that we can have Slavic Space Marines.
>>46939024
Yes.
Loyalists indeed bomb the homeworld of 1st founding chapters.
Of course.
>>46938855
got you pham
>>46942870
What if it's covered in heretics? You know, like it says it was in the fluff.
I want that grey area in between loyalist, and traitor fluffed out.
Starting with a trilogy of Lught Huron books (the first one about the Babad war).
Renegades, turn-coats, not-quite-loyalist/traitor, pirates, outcasts, kill-squads, death pacts.
I want him collecting Astartes versions of all these under his banner.
>>46942930
Not excusable in the slightest.
Looks more like the DA are getting rid of their only sizable competition.
But then again, team-killing is nothing new in the Dark Angels repertoire of heretical faggotry.
>>46942979
And Dork Angels somehow have the nerve to call Space Wolves team killers
>>46936120
Weep openly.
>>46942979
>Not excusable in the slightest
Get a load of this Inquisitor.
>Looks more like the DA are getting rid of their only sizable competition
Also looks exactly how the fluff described it, the purging of chaos tainted marines. The implication that it may have gone the other way is part of the fun of the chapter/legion though.
>>46943075
He talking about the Dork Angles showing up and attacking Fenris you disobedient cucumber
>>46943075
Wow, you must reaaaally love Dark Angels.
>Gee Captain, should we go down to Fenris and assist our fellow space marines, or even attempt to contact them?
>Nah, lets just blow it all up because that's what loyalists do.
Face it, your chapter of edgy warrior monks are the Alpha Legion 2.0
The only other space marine chapter who has the numbers to threaten them and their secret legion building was the Wolves, how convenient the Dark Edgels show up to start orbital bombardment.
>>46936120
I wouldn't change that much, but make more of a strive for increased character variance and quality, and consistency.
>Space Marines are comparable to Captain America 616, full stop. Unless they're a psyker they're not more powerful than that ballpark, but are given significant room to be powerful and vulnerable.
>Space Marines are made direct copies of the Imperial Knights of the Holy Roman Empire. They have no relation to the rest of the Imperium by organization, they don't answer to the Adeptus Administratum or Adeptus Mechanicus for that matter, and only negotiate with them for resources. The Adeptus Astartes are a wholly autonomous branch of Imperial Government and answer directly to the God-Emperor himself, none else.
>Astartes are both capable of siring families and actively have them depending on the Chapter. While the more pious such as the Black Templars or Dark Angels may staunchly refuse like some Crusader Orders IRL, the other Chapters have no such issues as if anything, removing their stock from the genepool would only make it harder to find genetically compatible recruits. It also grounds them to the Imperium more than the Legions. A Space Marine with a wife and son is more unlikely to turn against the Imperium and betray that blood compared to a demigod so distant from mortal life he can barely even comprehend it.
>>46943108
Oh, well maybe they shouldn't have been a bunch of filthy mutants then.
>>46943150
>reaaaally love Dark Angels
Nah, just like em. Wolfwolves a shit though, can't say it bothers me they got purged a bit.
>>46943150
Have you bitchy dumbasses even read the Warzone Fenris book? The Dark Angels showed up in system specifically to save the Space Wolves and have been fighting alongside them. They're bombarding Fenris because the entire star system is about to turn into a god damn warp storm. DAEMONS are everywhere. Not just cultists or chaos space marines, but Daemons are pouring out across the system, including Greater Daemons such as Bloodthirsters. Normally that'd be cause for Exterminatus.
Plus we know that the Space Wolves are perfectly fine due to the book taking place in the past. Literally nothing will change because of Warzone Fenris as per the timeline, it already happened, Wolves still exist at full strength.
>>46937345
Pretty much this.
On top of that you might write in something to say that chapters that achieve some great victory or are acknowledged to be vital to the defence of their home region may be permitted to increase their numbers to the size of a first founding chapter
A couple of other things i can think of.
1: openly acknowledge that several chapters are descended from renegade chapters or traitor legions but have achieved redemption in the eyes of the Imperium and are particularly zealous in their fight against their fallen brothers.
2: provide some minor details about the 2nd and 11th legions. Nothing about what happened to them, but their specialisations and/or specific mutations so that people can play descendant chapters or fragments of the unknown legions if they so wish.
>>46943195
Space Wolves aren't mutants you anal astronaut.
>>46943303
Are you saying a bunch of people that turn into werewolves aren't mutants?
That's heresy, yo.
>>46943303
Bro they have actual canine DNA in them and turn into fucking werewolves. They're mutants as fuck.
>>46943303
Really?
>>46943343
>>46943351
>>46943357
They are mutates not mutants
>>46943351
>>46943357
This is some omega heresy, bara bait and furry bait at the same time! Damn you GW!
>>46937345
See I'm fine with that who recruit from youth thing if they actually play the whole "space marines are child soldiers" thing
Like when brother Kadus is pulled in half by a carnifex his last thoughts aren't that of glory, but his mind and body are overcome with saddness and regret. Hes sad and scared, completely alone. The game is over he wants to go home. He wants to see the family he long forgot. He's done playing soldier. Why isn't anyone there to get him? Its time to go home. Mother? Mother where are you?
you don't see any of that stuff in Space Marine works. At heart thats what they are children playing super soldier. They are children who think they are invincible and thats where the Imperium wants them to stay.
>>46943869
>they think like children
Wut.
Space Marines are posthuman. They don't think like humans at all, hence their obsession with glory at the cost of life. Space Marines and have killed their own parents without even twitching or feeling anything. Besides maybe joy at the act of killing.
>>46943963
Kinda sounds like child fantasy to me. exaggerated but its there.
>>46944104
When experiencing their parent's death, children tend to break down and cease to function.
Space Marines barely even notice. Or in the case of heresy enjoy it.
>>46944143
the point I was trying to make if "killed their own parents" What child hasn't experienced some kind of hate for their parents at some point in their life.
What child didn't this if glory or a grand adventure
>>46944167
Then what the fuck are you even going on about?
Space Marines have no relation to children. They're living weapons, posthuman complete sociopaths that everybody would find horrifying to know, as one second they're smiling and friendly, the next they're flaying you alive in a Chaplain's cell for heresy.
>What child didn't this if glory or a grand adventure
This is an English board.
>>46943869
>Like when brother Kadus is pulled in half by a carnifex his last thoughts aren't that of glory, but his mind and body are overcome with saddness and regret
Well, it shows he isn't suitable for dreadnought
>>46936120
>Ultramarines have never actually won anything ever. They're fucking losers but elaborate con-artists and always find ways to shimmy-sham and alter their story to make it out like they accomplished the goal.
>The Space Wolves stop being so fucking heretical if they're going to be considered loyalist.
>The Blood Angels have been decreed to have fallen to Khorne by the Inquisition and new evidence would support that like when they bleed bloodletters spawn from their corroded acid wounds.
>Thousand Sons recognized as di'n do'o nu'ffin and whilst controversial among Imperial politics, are not nearly as lambasted as they are in this current cuck canon.
>Relinquishing the 1000 number limit as considering the Horus Heresy had something like 1/3rd of all space marines fall to chaos, it would not make sense to limit their numbers. Each chapter is responsible for taking care of it's own and snuffing out corruption, or the Inquisition will. No need for some senseless bureaucracy that's hard to enforce.
>Space Marines are not bitch-ants to the Adeptus Mechanicus the way other wings of the Imperium of Man are. Whilst astartes do need them, because they are the sons of The Emperor, and the most beloved figures of humanity... Mechanicus does not fuck with them.
>>46944428
Gee i wonder who wrote this post.
>>46943265
>1: openly acknowledge that several chapters are descended from renegade chapters or traitor legions but have achieved redemption in the eyes of the Imperium and are particularly zealous in their fight against their fallen brothers.
This. We need this.
We need a redeemed Night Lords chapter allied to the Adeptus Arbiters, steeped in law and fighting for justice.
>>46940326
Yes.
I feel like this is obviously where the wh40k fluff needs to evolve as well. Allowing the primarchs to come back, reuiniting the chapters, let it becomes its own true faction and not just some mythical crippled angel shit.
>>46945685
>Redeeming fallen brothers
Then Magnus must cast aside his daemon body and weep at the steps of the throne, only then will the fallen realize what they have done.
>>46946055
I feel that the Blood Ravens or some other Magnus spawned chapter would get along well with the Dark Angels due to love of books.
>>46946170
yes, especially those books deep in the webway.
>repentant magnus' shard leads the blud rehvens
>>46946222
Do you know how long The Lion has had that book for?
If he doesn't get it back in the Black Library soon the late book fines could cripple the Imperial Economy.
>>46939000
Can't argue with trips
>>46939000
This would be nice.
More Viking, less furry.
>>46938029
To my knowledge there is arguably nothing in the current lore stopping the Space Marines from having human serfs or have ties with the humans of their Chapter planet.
Drivers and pilots doesn't make much sense because Space Marines are superior in both of those respects as far as warfare goes, possibly or actually capable of maneuvers that a normal humans isn't.
>>46938066
Increasing the size of the Space Marines seems to go against the current tone which is that shit is bad and that the Imperium is slowly dying and has far fallen from what it was once capable of. It also kind of goes against the possible theme of power corrupting.
>>46938790
As far as I'm aware, there is nothing preventing the Ecclesiarchy having just that if its on a crusade or a priest is traveling and worshipers join his entourage.
It's when things are at "peace" or a cardinal is sitting on his ass in a palace that having a bunch of armed worshipers milling about suddenly becomes suspicious and a possible threat.
>>46943185
Really, no criticism/agreement?
Would have though making Astartes more human would bring in more backlash.
>>46948190
yes indeed, but i still think they should maintain some of the wolfiness... after all, vikings riding on giant wolves is pretty awesome. At least up to the point of naming a character dog wolfborn.
Kill off the Dark Angels.
>>46936120
>allow femmarines
>camouflage is no longer the color of cowardice
>drop melee fetishism
>give dreadnoughts better stats
>larger chapters
and I'm done
>>46936120
I remove them from the setting.
>>46950326
haha
nice meme posting friend! xD
>>46950326
but melee combat is the most glorious combat
>>46936120
Explicitly specify: It is impossible for women to be Space Marines.
>>46936120
>progress the plot
>>46950326
It's like you WANT all the marine players to defect to Khorne.
>>46943185
>>46949476
I like it, anon.
Making Astartes more human may not be the point from GW's perspective (in fact I rather think it's the opposite of their point, because I think the point is that they're supposed to look human, but be very inhuman), but I think it would make for some interesting story-telling. How much can you read about fictional alien beings before you get bored by speculation and you want something more real?
Plus as you pointed out the option still remains for celibate chapters to exist, if we wanna explore that some more.
Ideas I like from this thread:
-Original Legions are at 10,000 strong, the rest at 1,000.
-Make Space Wolves less furry.
>>46936120
Not much
>Space Marine chapters number 10k strong
>Space Marine council to try and organize combined military efforts
>Slightly more focus on major crusades
I've always like the idea of like a dozen chapters coming together to launch a massive crusade against a specific threat, so the idea of larger chapters with more cooperation between them seems both logical and for me at least more entertaining.
>>46937763
If it was well executed I honestly wouldn't give a fuck. Not some "strong independent womyn who don't need no men" or some fapbait, but characters as illogical and damaged as their male counterparts. I wouldn't mind either all chapters being one sex or the other or mixed sex, either could end up interesting, especially with geneseed mutations.
>>46943185
>They have no relation to the rest of the Imperium by organization, they don't answer to the Adeptus Administratum or Adeptus Mechanicus for that matter, and only negotiate with them for resources. The Adeptus Astartes are a wholly autonomous branch of Imperial Government and answer directly to the God-Emperor himself, none else.
This is already true
>>46943185
Space Marine having to put down members of his own family due to gene stealers.
It's grim
>>46938996
>That isn't an argument.
Yes it is!
Wew...
Advance the parts of the plot to the end times.
The Imperium is fractured to the point of failing, and great swathes have been annihilated by the Tyranid and Necron.
The Tau have carved out a huge Empire and just manage to hold back the Tyranid and Necron threat.
Orks are lolling all around the place in close to pre-Great Crusade numbers thanks to the... What was it? The Kryptman Gambit?
Good Eldar are rare as fuck. Exodites also rare as fuck.
Dark Eldar are fucking shit up on scales beyond reason, space drug fueled hate fucking their way through the galaxy.
Chaos are getting fucked by this just as much as the Imperium.
And just before everything absolutely falls to shit... Surviving Primarchs return on both sides. Traitor primarchs come back to stop them from being stomped. Loyal primarchs return just in time to halt the failure of the imperium. Then at the very same time, several of the Emperor reviving plans all seem to come together at once to some degree, and no one knows which one worked, which ones failed, or what the fuck happened, but the Emperor is back and is able to step off the golden throne. Now... He's not back back. He's an regenerating at a fucking slow pace so that he's little more than a shambling mummified corpse with the same old godlike psychic ability.
But he starts the Imperium 2.0. Too hard to bring things back from worshiping him as a god so he just goes with it. He tells the loyal primarchs to pretty much fuck off, they more or less failed him so stay out of his way because he still loves them in his own aspy way.
Each loyal primarch goes back to their chapters trying to stay relevant.
Then Emps creates 10 daughter Primarchs, reclaim a shitload of the Imperium in the Great Crusade 2.0.
Traitor Primarchs start getting in some of the daughter Primarchs heads, fueling insecurities related to what happened to their Older Brother Primarchs...
Queue the Kali Heresy.
>>46956242
No they aren't. The Adeptus Astartes is under the direct control of the Adeptus Administratum, the Adeptus Terra, and the High Lords of Terra. If they were proper Imperial Knights, they would be completely separate and not even the Inquisition could claim rank over them.
>>46961668
Only on paper.
In practice the High Lords considers the chapters a mixed blessing. They are the best fighting force in the Imperium but most take a creative approach to doing what they are told.
>>46961890
Except those above them have the authority and often do pull rank.
>>46943265
You realize that the point of having the unknown legions is to give people some leeway in creating their own chapters? What kind of unimaginative casual are you?
>>46961890
Except for the Minotaurs. They seem pretty happy to do what the high lords tell them.
>>46961951
That's because they like to ask the High Lords for the best toys and also get to loot all the bodies for even better toys.
>>46937763
I'd like that. But only with a fucking time machine to put them in at the beginning of the canon. Maybe have a couple Primarchs retroactively female with no changes to temperment or armor. One of the lost Primarchs as well.
Doing it now is just shoehorning. So definitely not doing that.
>>46962000
Which Primarchs would you have in mind?
For fairness sake there should be 9 male and 9 female and a not disproportionate number falling to chaos.
>inb4 Period Khrone jokes.
>>46962040
Eh, I don't really give a fuck about numbers. 2 or 3 excluding the lost would be fine. One on each side of the Heresy is all I care about. As for which ones specifically.. I dunno. Maybe Kurze so he wasn't just literally batman. Mortarion maybe? Hard to fetishise the one who's all about bioweapons and chem attacks. Not impossible mind you, but removing the easy mode.
With the Black Templars back at their ~10,000 correct number a bunch of copy cat acts follow them. Other Dornite chapters that want to rekindle the god old days and live in denial about the Great Crusade being over.
The Red Templars, the White Templars, The Iron Templars and so on and so forth. Basically if its got Templar tacked onto the end of its name then it comes under the High Marshals jurisdiction.
These Johnny Come Latelys don't have the same political clout as the Black Templars who can, with some justification, claim to be the true and primary heirs to the Legion over the actual Imperial Fists and as such can't legally go over the 1,000 rule. Not all the latter generation Templars are of Dorn's stock.
Each of them is ruled by a Marshal who is totally not ruled over by the Black Templars High Marshal. Absolutely not. They just enjoy working closely with the Black Templars as brother sons of Dorn, and indeed all Space Marines, should. And they merely listen to advice from the High Marshal rather than actual orders.
The Imperial Fists, who also number 10,000ish, and their descendants, still specialize in siege warfare and fortress building and such.
Their is much rivalry between the two branches of the Dornite bloodline.
>>46937763
I'd be ok with itif they were chaos space marines only as chaos god fuckery can justify it pretty easily
>>46955948
It could be good.
But if that fluff change were officially implemented you can almost grantee that it would turn into obnoxious tumblr bull dyke awfulness.
It appears the castration of the BTs has been one of the most unpopular changes GW has made in a while.
>>46965062
Might as well take the respect for the people from the salamanders. Or the eternal strife of the lamenters.
I mean it's their big thing. They're just some dudes now. They're religious dudes in a big setting filled with religious dudes. Why even bother any more?
>>46936120
Restore black templars size.
>>46937466
>A company decision, not a Codex writers decision
It's utterly bizarre that anyone outside the writers is having a say on the size of a chapter. I believe it though. Something is drastically wrong with GW's creative decisions. John Accountant, Head of Marketing with a background in Corporate Law and Accountancy suddenly deciding he's got some great ideas about how to write the Space Marines is a recipe for disaster. The IP is the value of the company, not some fucker who does the taxes or approves the box art.
How do you fix space marines?
>Ultramarines get their asses handed to them by Tau and Nids.
>Cato Sicarius dies Titus goes in his place
>Calgar suffers breakdown and tears Codex Astartes down
>He sends messages to all active chapters to come to Terra
>Hundreds of chapter masters and captains gather
>They decide to rewrite Codex Astartes
>10000 strong chapters
>Self contained crusade companies
>More emphasis on tactical flexibility
>new book contains combined tactics of most loyalist chapters
>Ultramarines become paragons of adaptability
Additionaly the revolution could be described in BL book, giving chance to flesh out some less known but awesome characters like Donatos Aphael.
>>46936120
Lie. Procrastinate. Pass the blame for my short-comings off onto my colleagues by being the first to propose meetings to discuss the state of the project. Stress how I'm keen to come to a solution that will please everyone in the fanbase. (This is impossible, so I will not have to ever deliver on it.) Deliver one mediocre novel and several bad ones. Pocket their money and use my time there to pad my CV.
>I actually would fix the necrons and sisters of battle first.
>>46968766
How would you fix the sisters?
>>46968643
>by Tau
pls no
>>46936120
>What do?
Make the total number of chapters more vague, so that each sector could have a couple of local chapters. Supporting that, I would add the idea of Chapters founding their own successors. Every once in a while a company of battle brothers, maybe the survivors of a major battle or campaign, go off and grow their numbers till they get to full chapter scale. They would seek "sponsorship" from a Peer of the Imperium (Planetary Governor, Inquisitor, Archmagos, Rogue Trader, etc.) who could provide the resources they need.
>>46968766
>>46969100
SoB actually aren't even in the worst 3 armies in the game. They are underestimated a lot. Their high amount of melta and cheaper bodies than space marines is also very advantageous in the current metagame.
SoB can be fixed by giving them cheaper, plastic, better looking models, which fixes about 50% of their problems and will create more demand (I assume) for the army. The other problems can be fixed by simply giving them either more long range weapons or something like Drop Pods/reliable deep strike, and some unit variety.
>>46943357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM
>>46936850
nooo. idiot. the chapters are just fine. ADD MASSIVE AMMOUNTS OF FLUFF!
