stop arguing about OP image on a basket weaving forum edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD'
>Bunch of Other 40k Stuff
https://mega.nz/#F!8EtgSTSD!OaWgQeKlh-4stSMqVbXwVQ!9UtFDbTb
https://mega.nz/#F!8EtgSTSD!OaWgQeKlh-4stSMqVbXwVQ!cdFiWILI
>arguing over the OP image
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Butthurt
So 40k general, what are you working on this week end?
How do we make Chosen good?
What about Thousand sons?
What about any [insert unit generally considered to be shit] here?
>>46883606
On Skorne
>>46883617
Because you expect Mk III to make them better or because you accepted the way of Skorne and enjoy the suffering?
>>46883606
My Dark Eldar, at long last. Since buying them I've painted the second half of my guard, my entire inquisition force, and a ton of random figs from Darksword and Reaper.
Finally Commoragh will have its day.
>>46883606
Deciding what kind of star is best for a colony without being a hellish world.
Posted this in the other thread but i might as well post it here as well:
How are tyranids these days? I've heard that they're shit right now but i've also heard that the new units that got dataslates have made them a reasonable army to actually play so i'm interested to see what your experience has been with them on the tabletop lately
>>46883606
I need to get shit painted for apocalypse on the 30th
So far its 3 fighta bommas, a dakkajet, the kill krusha and like 10 nobz
I should be able to do it
>>46883750
Not really, most people just spam flying tyrants if they wanna go competitive.
>>46882809
Someone didn't see that there was already a general up.
>>46883608
>What about Thousand sons?
lower cost, remove S&P
>>46883606
Painting and modeling some chaos terminators. Working on lists. Asking around to see if anyone wants to split that new Imperial Knight box with me.
>>46883833
not the fist time it's happened.
>>46883606
40 renegades, got about 14 done and 6 more with base colours.
>>46883617
Le new epic maymay.
tell me about your dudes.
what's their name? what have they done? what have you added anything extra to them to make them unique?
>>46883936
Warboss has a eldar banner to show he killed Eldrad in single combat.
Biker Boss has a daemon head mounted on his bike to show he killed a daemon prince in single combat.
>>46883606
Grey knight stuff
>>46883606
Building My renegade knight, and maybe my space wolf knight if the guy I was supposed to split this with doesn't return my calls
>>46883936
I have a Tallarn veteran sergeant who has killed two terminators with his bolt pistol. He's killed a rhino by shooting its rear armour as well. I've only used him in three games so far. I should add something to commemorate him really, but I'm not sure what.
Pic related, its the badass at the front with the bionic arm.
>>46883606
Roughed up a competitive tau list with my nids last night. Feelsgoodman.
>>46883806
Quit shitposting that same fucking pumpkinlight image on /tg/ and get painting, man.
>>46883936
My rune priest has a wolf skull on his force sword to represent the only kill he's ever scored, it was my own fenrisian wolf
>>46884305
Does that mean you won? Lists?
>>46884215
Where is that DK banner from?
>>46883989
>he killed Eldrad in single combat
he didn't, pick like the oldest/most famous farseer of a craftworld but not a named special character that alters the fluff/you could see opposite you on a table in any given day
>>46883750
Nids have a ton of options that can be found through with some work. Check out thetyranidhive on proboards for some silo discussino. Nids are good, and fun to play. Also best models in the game, imo.
>>46883606
Making a black Templars themed chapter. Just finished the CC crusaders. They all got the Templar iconography all on them and shit. Looks holy as fuck
>>46884336
Grey knight terminator/paladin kit
>>46883606
based like 50 something models
>>46883608
>lower cost to 22 per man
>slow/purposeful becomes relentless
>sorceror gains 2 wounds to make him worth 60 points
>change up tzeentch table
>>46883936
revlon the keeper of secrets, good at absorbing bullets and being a distraction. bad at doing anything productive. i need a name for a khorne herald, he's eaten a few squads over the years and is always worth his points. lord 1000 maybe
>>46884331
I am, i just havent taken another picture yet
Theyre all basecoated, going to wash them soon
>>46884367
>you could see opposite you on a table in any given day
What if, you know, he did see Eldrad opposite him on a table, and the Warboss did kill him?
>>46884334
>the only kill he's ever scored, it was my own fenrisian wolf
Do tell more. This sounds like a very interesting story.
>>46884367
Oh lay off him, it's not like eldrad hasn't been dead in the lore before.
>>46883606
Iron Warrior artillery, but I lack a proper brush for shades so I had to place that shit on hold and paint Word Bearers
>>46883608
Chosen need what all CSM need. A way to get into melee. Other than that they just need aggressively costed weapon options.
Thousand Sons need a two wound sergeant with worthwhile powers. Slow & Purposeful going to Relentless would be helpful as well.
>>46884448
He manifested murderous hurricane and it scattered back into the unit of distraction wolves, I haven't used a rune priest since
>>46883606
Built and magnetized three imperial knights. My usual opponent is in for a trouble with his cheesedar when my Tripartiate Lance will trod the field enchanced by Librarius Conclave wielding Phase Shift. Fuck you and your LoS-dodging space elfs.
>>46883606
Dark eldar. After much soul searching and trying many colour schemes, I finally decided to ignore what the internet says ("doesn't look like a dark eldar") and paint them in the scheme I like. Mainly silver, if you're wondering, which apparently is too bright for deldar or something. Fuck it, I likes 'em, and that's what matters.
>>46884335
Not sharing my assault-nid list - but has assault-kitted tyrants, shrikes, and malanthropes.
Tau army was hunter contingent with 27Fw in 3 devilfish, 4 pirahanas, 3 ghostkeels, stormsurge, and 2 units of marker drones.
Stormsurge got assaulted on turn 1, cause he got greedy and elected to delete malanthropes with S10 shooting.
>>46884530
Thousand Sons just need that the leader can roll on something else than that shit table.
That or guranteed Doombolt.
>>46884584
Either a beautiful story of friends who accept that they're playing a competitive meta, or an ugly story of childish escalation.
>>46884619
It's your guys, why the fuck should you care what some neckbeard with autism thinks?
Your shit needs to adhere to fluff only if fluff matters to you.
>>46884584
>my usual opponent plays cheesedar
doubtful.
>>46884627
The dickweed wielded 5 WK's against me last time we played when he sheepishly asked if it was okay for him to play with eldar-decurion.
We play for the win but its always accompanied by beers and lots of laughter. Only thing that separates our club from WAACs that the only thing we dont sacrifice for winning is fair play and having fun.
>>46884842
>5 WK
Im sure
>>46884895
5 of 'em is 1475 points minimum. Windrider host to unlock the decurion is 358 points, or 448 if you're putting scatter lasers on all the jetbikes. So, you can fit 5 WK into 1850 if you go without scatter lasers, or into 2000 points if you take scatterbikes.
>>46884809
>>46884895
Yes because I come to Chinese Sock-knitting forum to lie about my games.
The WK-game was actually damn fun one. In the end it was close loss for me and managed to down 3 of those fuckers.
nub here
how dumb would it be for a chaos space marine warband to work with one of the craftier necron dynasties in return for tech, CSM who are basically shills for crons and covered in cybernetics and rumored perhaps to even be under the mind control of an overlord . . .
is this is a viable theme for a chaos army or too far fetched to be realistic in-universe?
>>46883606
I bought the imperial knight renegade box. Now I have 3 loyalist knights for an Adamantine Lance + Sisters army I have and a single double dakka knight for my CSM
>>46885744
Necrons are not above using mercs and CSM renegades are not above being mercs.
You figure it out.
So how much better would the Lord of Skulls be if, when destroyed, it spawned a free Blood Thirster of any type?
>>46885857
A curios novelty at best imo
It would encourage players to be more aggressive or maybe not considering the point difference and roles of the two models
It might actually be worth the stupid point value they gave it then.
>>46885857
Still not worth damn near 1000 points. You should let GW in on this idea though because it would mean people have to also buy a thirster when they buy a Lord of Skulls.
>>46885857
Usable. Currently its about 200-300pts overcosted... which is the price of bloodthrister. And it would be annoying as fuark as an effect. You kill the damn thing and then another threat spawns. Goddamned
>>46885857
or just reduce it's point to match other super heavies? That thing should be 400 max
>>46885857
Depends on whether or not it has to deep strike
So this is the proper General right? Chicken is the true picture.
FUCK CARNAC!
>>46886347
Based on poster numbers, the other general is winning.
Mob rule is the only thing that defines which general is the true general.
>>46886412
Maybe if you want to let shit posting tripfags run all over you.
>>46886347
No, the other general is about 30 minutes older.
>>46886347
I encourage everyone to use this pic because it literally doesn't matter you fucking autists
I wish hiro would create a text board for /tg/ stuff, text /tg/ would actually be good
So what is GW likely to do in the Tyranid Lord of War department when they're next codex arrives?
Is it likely they'd make the Trygon a Gargantuan Creature again?
Or would they likely do something else?
>>46883936
Marko Gamma-42
Skitarii Vanguard Alpha
Wiped out half of a Blood Angels Terminator Squad w/ Sanguinary Priest in CC with Pater Radium
I have yet to do anything special for him, partially because I don't have the spare bits to do anything cool
HQ: Sorc w/ Terminator + MoT + Burning Brand = 130
HQ: Daemon Prince + DoT + Wings + Armour + Black Mace = 265
Troops x2 : 8+1 rubrics/sorc = 484
Elite: 4+1 Termies/champ w/ Reaper AC + 4x Combi-Weapons + MoT = 229
Dedicated Transport (Rubrics): 2x Rhino + Dirge Caster = 80
Cyclopia Cabal with 5 Sorcs with Bikes, Spell Familiars and VotLW = 500
1688. If I remove 38 points I can fit in 2 Forgefiends at 2000. Thing is.. do I remove 1 Rhino or 1 rubric marine from each squad to make that up?
>>46887192
Hmm...I want to say removing the Rubrics is the right call, though I think you could potentially get away with ditching a Rhino.
Maybe cut out the autocannon termie instead?
>>46883606
Was going to make 5 librarians out of a Grey Knight Puriefier box but my extra sternguard bits went missing so now I have to wait because I don't want to fuck up removing the GK detail from the legs.
>>46883936
Captain Joremus of the Thunder Dragoons has a mechanical arm he punched a Carnifex in the face with his Power Fist.
The Carnifex bit his arm off as it died, so he had it replaced.
>>46887246
If I ditch a rhino it would be asymmetrical and my OCD flares up BUT i wouldn't have to convert my other rhino from Khornate dedication to Tzeentchian/Thousand Sons, so there's that real world hassle to judge. But I can't cut out the Autocannon termie as I'd need to give him SOMETHING. The cheapest option if a combi-weapon, and I'd be freeing too few points (18 points left and nothing else to remove).
If I remove a rubric from each, I would have 8 points OVER to spend on something. Possibly a Gift of Mutation to my Warlord or give each Rhino an extra combi-bolter.
>>46887328
Should say "because of the fact that he punched a Carniex"
>>46887192
get rid of the dirge casters on rhinos, they're not even really worth it with assault units and ksons shouldn't be charging in their wildest dreams
also I don't even know what that cyclopia thing is but if those are 5 normal sorcerers, getting rid of votlw + dirge casters frees up 40 points, so there's the 38 you need
>>46887337
No, I meant cut out the terminator with the autocannon entirely, running only a 4 man squad.
>>46887429
>1ksons shouldn't be charging
That sorcerer has a force weapon.
An HQ from a CAD can't join a unit in another Formation, right?
>>46887429
>>46887192
shit w8 that's only 35, but you should ditch the autocannon in favor of a combi-plasma
>>46884842
>separates us from waac
Your opponent fielded FIVE Wraithknights. Nothing separates that from waac. Id consider kicking the shit out of you in the spot if you tried that shit in my house.
>>46887455
yeah, and is a single wound MEQ with bog standard stats who will get raped by anything that cares about ID. you should be shooting those AP3 bolters at marines at all times, the force sword is stupid but mandatory so I guess it's just useful when your dudes get charged
>>46887504
Technically, you should charge if you think you're about to be charged, since you don't give up any shooting to do so and you can't fire overwatch anyway, but at that point things have gone wrong regardless.
>>46887429
I can't get rid of the VotLW, the Cyclopia Cabal is one of the new Black Legion formations and thus the rule is mandatory, unfortunately.
>>46887444
Ahh, shit. I'll think about it. I really want to keep my termies and have them finally achieve something. It's a good gun, I'm hoping to Deepstrike them and use them as a small firebase. The Sorc with the Brand has a good 20 inch template threat range at AP3 and with the meltas, flamers or plasmas I carry I can make the termies melt something to get their fucking points back for once!
I'm not sure if I should give my knight warden a melta gun or a stubber.
>>46887545
You only need VotLW on the Sorceres, the formation is Black Legion, rest of your Army doesn't have to be.
>>46886347
Did you not read the edition?
Just stop talking about the pic and let the issue sort itself out naturally
>>46887618
..Yes I know. Only the Sorcs have the rule, because it's mandatory.
>>46887664
Nevermind me then
>>46885957
>400 points
>For way more firepower than a Knight, which is 375, 3 more HP, and a 5++ save at all times.
It's overcosted sure, but 400 is way too low. Comparing to Wraithknights is worthless since they're an outlier.
>>46887673
It's alright man. i just want to know which would be more sensible. Losing a rhino and having one squad mobile and the other footslogging or just ditch 1 rubric from each squad (Oh god going from Tzeentch's 9 to Khorne's 8.. I'm pretty sure I'll get cursed by both).
I would be adding 2 Forgefiends so that's a good firepower tradeoff but y'know.
Are Renegades and Heretics just chaos-aligned IG, or is there something special about them?
>>46885915
>>46885926
Its like 1100 if you upgrade both guns.
I believe Warhound Titans are cheaper. Lord of Skulls might be the most overcosted unit in the game?
>>46887775
Ditching the rubrics is propably the better option out of the two, wince ditching a rhino means ditxhing an obsec unit (that is CAD, right?)
Also, Tzeench is going to laugh his ass off when Khorne sees his holy number soiled by filthy Psykers and dustmen.
>>46885957
it simply having access to a str 9 ap 3 instant death hellstorm flamer is going to keep it above 600 pts.
>>46884842
You know there's a 1 unit of LOW limit for competitive play in the ITC, right?
>>46887893
Shit, the ITC shills are back.
>>46887858
>Ditching the rubrics is propably the better option out of the two, wince ditching a rhino means ditxhing an obsec unit (that is CAD, right?)
Yes sirma'am that is a CAD. The rhinos would definitely help me capture objectives and Rubrics being tough mofos, they could hold them reasonably well and drill anyone with a 3+ armour save full of holes if they came close.
>Also, Tzeench is going to laugh his ass off when Khorne sees his holy number soiled by filthy Psykers and dustmen.
What's funnier is that i have 2 Rhinos, but I always thought I'm going to be using only 1 for my TS army... with the regular CSM squad. The other Is done up Khornate for my KDK's berzerkers. So the Rhino has to be converted to switch dedication. Khorne's gonna be ultramad.
>>46887919
Handily combining 'that shitter that posts metal images for everything' and 'ITC shill' into an easy autoignore.
>>46887850
Either it or the Stompa is.
>>46883606
Built two Razorbacks for my Dark Angels company. Picture is one of them.
>>46887783
If youre talking about the lore, renegades and heretics just describes a renegade, heretical army or whatever.
In IA 13 its an army list that has units from the IG codex, SM codex, CSM codex, several IA books, and tons of unique units. More detail than a standard codex, but no formations so no competitive builds.
>>46884298
maybe give him a full boltgun
>>46887893
That applies jack-n-shit when you live other side of the world from US.
Okay I actually like ITC rules and so do my buddies but we use our own comp. You always have a say that if your opponent is too dick but we hardly ever refuse a game due someone's list since we ourselves can always bring something as nasty and/or consider it a challenge.
>>46887919
Here we go. This faggot has to lose his shit and use up 150 posts any time ITC gets mentioned. How about you shut the fuck up this time. We've all seen your bullshit enough, who gives a fuck what rules some anon uses anyway. You fucking douche, you dont know these people, who the fuck cares? Fucking shut the fuck up for just one thread.
>>46888197
:^)OK, I really don't wish for the thread to derail into another fuckfest
>>46887919
>complains about WK spam
>complains about something that fixes WK spam
>>46888122
I'm no ITC shill but according to their podcasts they get random countries using the ITC rules all the time. It's probably still not common outside the west coast of the USA though. But they have a fucking ITC tournament in goddamn Africa. If fucking mudhut niggers ruled by warlords play ITC you can't really say it's obscure at that point.
Libby with Jump Pack, Primarch's Wrath and Force Sword. Should I give him ML2 or nah?
>>46888197
The funny part is morons like him and >>46888248 don't even realize ITC's first rule is "there are no rules" and you can change their ruleset however you want and STILL get ITC points and be a part of the ITC ladderboard.
It's literally a format made to fix GW's garbage game, let people have fun, and let people do whatever they want. But of course these cancerous faglords prove once again that they are jackasses and claim a COMMUNITY VOTED ruleset THAT YOU CAN CHANGE HOWEVER YOU WANT is "a biased agenda made by FLG to make their own armies better". When that's the exact thing they say every single video that they don't do because it makes no sense.
It's the same way you faggots complain about GW with nonsensical complaints like "GW MODELS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE I'D RATHER BUY FROM THESE OTHER COMPANIES WHO HAVE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE MODELS".
>>46888319
Propably. You already gave him the Jump Pack to be mobile, so why not go all the way.
>>46888338
Fair point.
>this general shit up by ITC argument
>other general shit up by ork arguments and samefag accusations
We have two generals and you manage to shit up both of them. Kill all 40k posters.
>>46888369
welcome to /tg/
>>46888298
Angry-about-ITC guy is sweating, shaking, seething at this post. He already has his next 17 replies locked and loaded.
>>46888319
That you spent any other extra points on him before ML2 was wrong. ML2 comes first.
Budget libbies in very small points games can be ML1
>>46888416
plz no I already used the ironic maymay smiley
>>46888369
Be the change you wish to see in the world, start with yourself.
>>46888416
It's okay to be angry about starving Ethiopians. Fuck those guys.
>>46888463
>implying the greater change to witness wouldn't be murdering everyone else first before offing yourself
The best part about watching retards on /tg/ try to look smart is when they fail. Which is always.
There's a reason why serial killers and characters like the Punisher don't just off themselves first.
>>46888369
Theres been a surge in shitposting the past ~dozen generals. We had a good little run going for at least a few weeks before though. I suspect a few newcomers are responsible for the lions share, because we've had consecutive threads ruined by the exact same argument. And no one had really been talking or arguing about ITC, now suddenly every thread for a week is dominated by it.
Who's you favorite IF successor chapter?
>>46888369
not to mention what happened in the general before this.
I blame an influx of new posters due to BFG:A.
They'll adapt or leave, so it should die down soon.
>>46888540
>inb4 newfags drive off all the good posters instead
>>46883531
Want to make a White Templars army but I'm going to be a wandering vagrant for three months, and won't have any time, space, or money to build an army.
So any chance the Imperial Knights Renegade book will be ripped anytime soon?
>>46888642
why are you going to be a vagrant for 3 months? wtf
>>46887562
I feel like if a knight is in range for a meltagun then something has gone wrong, but then again I run a crusader
>>46888754
Travelling and couch surfing to work on my photography portfolio.
>>46888791
Derp Striking Crisis suits with melta will shoot your rear armor and fuck you in the ass.
>>46888791
It could help out against other knights, i suppose?
>>46888820
sounds lame as fuck
>>46883936
Draecoth the Architect, Chaos Lord. He's literally died in every single game I've run him without inflicting a single casualty.
>>46888822
In shock news, Tau Codex has response to other unit.
>>46888874
In other news, Eldar still cheesy
>>46888924
And now Brother-Codicier Rubio with the weather.
>"Lightning will sear the foes of the Emperor"
>>46888842
Poor me, travelling to various beaches and bumming around with a bunch of hot co-eds.
I'm only being half sarcastic, I want to stay home with my toy soldiers and vidya.
>>46889226
I feel you, but I also despise you.
So am I to understand that if I shoot and kill a unit, I cannot assault another unit, since I can only assault the unit I shot at in the shooting phase (if I chose to fire weapons)?
>>46889569
That is correct
>>46889569
Yes.
Unless the unit you killed in the shooting phase was a transporting vehicle, in which case you can assault the unit that was previously embarked.
>>46889569
That's right. Some units can shoot more than one target so even if they obliterate something they can still charge another target they plinked at. Knights, for example.
>>46887919
How about you fuckle off to whatever blueberry poptart stand you were born from?
>>46889640
But other units that havent shot yet cant shoot at the unit that was forced to disembark.
>>46888369
>>other general shit up by ork arguments and samefag accusations
Aww, I missed an Ork argument? Damn time zones.
>>46889624
>>46889640
>>46889645
Roger that.
>>46889569
Correct. Super-heavy Walkers and Gargantuan creatures however can split their fire between any number of target units, and can charge any that they shot at. This allows a Knight to, for example, fire their Battlecannon at a long range threat then fire their stubber at what they want to charge.
>>46889821
Sure, I was just kitting out some tank hunting squad and began to wonder what happens if their shooting attacks manage to fuck up the vehicle they're shooting at. Assuming it's not a transport, they're just forced to sit there doing jack shit even if there's another tank or something else in range.
>>46889875
Yep. Unless you're Tau Crisis Suits who can split their fire all over the place.
>>46889913
hol up
are you saying crisis suits in a unit can all fire on different units?
>>46889968
Target Locks
>>46889968
They can buy an upgrade to do so. Other people have to deal with the woefully underused Split Fire special rule.
If you take a deathstorm drop pod and don't buy the drop-pod assault rule for it, how does it interact with your other drop-pods?
I presume it still counts towards your total number of drop pods but isn't allowed to be part of the turn 1 drop. is that right?
>>46884298
Ave fucking Imperator man
>>46890115
>Woefully underused Split Fire
Centurion Omniscope says hi.
How many spawn are ideal per squad?
>>46890142
>drop-pod assault
A what now? They dont have it anymore.
>>46890167
Putting a character in or no?
>>46890197
3 for a distraction carnifex then. Its just enough to make people need to shoot them and not enough to be a massive points investment.
>>46890197
Use god's favored number.
>>46890173
shit. which book is the most recent to have them then?
>>46890173
> Using the Old Deathstorm Drop Pod that's 25 points overcosted
> Not using the most recent one from Imperial Armour 2: Warmachines of the Adeptus Astartes.
Fuck off
>>46889821
>tfw the KDE is a great unit and even greater for remedying the travesty that is the LoS but its most unique rule could have been better accomplished by just giving it a second gun
>>46890259
Fall of Orpheus is newer.
>>46890482
> Fall of Orpheus is Newer
Huh, I didn't know 5th edition was newer than 6th. Fall of Orpheus is literally so old, that it's space marine characters don't even have Chapter Tactics.
>>46888527
Invaders, their extreme stubborness took them to the edge of extinction, inviting ruin from an Eldar craftworld. They've also fought alongside the Grey Knights. Going to do up an IF Librarius conclave with 5 IF/successor chapters. Seriously considering adding Black Templar Librarian for trolls.
>>46890731
>Black Templar Librarian.
You mean Sons Of Dorn librarian, right? I mean, the colors are pretty similar and all.
>>46890731
Black Templar chapter tactics forbid librarians
>>46890731
>Seriously considering adding Black Templar Librarian for trolls.
>for trolls
>>46890818
>>46890832
>>46890818
Hah, holy fuck, that's perfect. Thanks man.
>>46890832
>>46890899
I know, I just wasn't aware there was a legit alternative. Today has been a good day.
So my local playgroup is getting an escalation league going so we've been getting together to work out some rules. I was just curious what you guys would think of them now that I've typed them up for finalizing.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nsljzP_KbfBn94erGgmVTce3oR6czfymzYP-5Xi6jNw/edit?usp=sharing
>>46886750
It does because I often use the picture to know where the general.
Now, before you go "b-b-b-ut just use CTRL + F or Search!" that only works if people bother to put 40k in the fucking subject header and there are STILL people who fuck that up.
So the picture is better simply because, despite me knowing /tg/ is a husk of it's pre-2011 self (and post /wst/ being banned cause fuck OC, right?) I still like to browse the catalogue and see what is new that isn't Quests or Generals. I often find cool picture dump threads or interesting theorycrafting/custom shit. Plus shit like WIP changes constantly too.
>>46891009
I dunno if you know about it, but you ever heard of Red Bull Racing? I've always wanted to do an Ork build for those. Either the racing or the "falling off the diving board" thing.
Slaanesh worlds are decadent and full of fucking and shit, Khorne worlds are all MAIM BURN KILL/fight fight fight, Nurgle worlds are rotten and never change, the fuck are Tzeentch planets like?
I don't mean Daemon worlds either, regular worlds.
>>46884298
Build a custom bolt gun. Put a scope on it. Perhaps put a 'slab' of Rhino metal on his chest. Or put a Crux Terminus mark on their shoulder pad with a number check under it.
What Terminators were they? Imperial or Chaos/Renegade? I don't think even IG would deface loyal Marines armour, even if they tried to kill them.
>>46891213
I'm only familiar with the plane races for anything related to Red Bull. Still, sounds like a good base for a speed freakz warband.
>the non-orkified trucks.
>>46891322
Full of libraries, schools, universities. Crazy weather anomolies, crazy flora and fauna. Lots of crystals. Pyskers everywhere.
>>46891322
constantly engaged in scheming/plotting/planning
Various wizardry
>>46891347
http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/adventure/stories/1331788468184/soapbox-race-best-videos-from-2015
This. It's pretty fun.
>>46891322
Filled with Chess master/equivalents, who are all autists and have some other mental deficiency that grant them some sort of hyper-intelligence/planning, and they all communicate through some sort of Image Boards, where each of them believes that they have won, when in fact it was Tzeench all along!
>>46891347
Also. Forgot to say. Those fighting ISIS in ME are Orky as fuck. ISIS are too.
>>46891369
>>46891379
So what would a PDF or general military force from these places look like? Doesn't sound like they'd look like your general chaos spiky doodz.
>>46891322
>the fuck are Tzeentch planets like?
I remember one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books had huge portions of the populace draw random symbols until the produced legit Chaos ones, which could be a Tzeentch 'research' project.
If we're assuming regular worlds that have fallen to Tzeentch, then it's like the most complex machiavellian politics ever, magical knowledge is power, psykers are either currency or in charge.
Power is in constant flux, people are deposed, turn to spawn, fall and rise in influence at incredible rates.
>>46891431
Think of what sort of stuff a planet ruled by a bunch of insane wizards would have, and that's it.
Renegades or cultists would probably have robes, be constantly plotting the downfall of their superiors and their fellows, and prefer flamers, weird daemon or magic weapons if they could get them, and sacrificing their fellows to preform sorcerous rituals for battlefield support.
>>46891431
Probably have eyes draw all over their armour. Wear robes even in battle. Wear crystals.
>>46891431
Probably magically domineering/dominated or a very occultish organization. Apocalyptic cults aren't out of the question
>>46891478
So fantasy bits are probably my best bet for making a Tzeentch renegade force?
Also this is why I like Tzeentch, it's not your usual spiky chaos. You might be a pawn, but at least you look cool.
>>46891521
>>46891525
Anyone know where I can get any bits like this?
After some discussion in another thread over a 750 point match, I figured I'd try and figure out a good build for a 1500 since for that I'll actually have time to buy and build. This is for a narratively driven campaign that has the points each fortnight slowly raising, half the players are using chaos but tyranids, orks and harlequins also have players. There was some criticism of having Creed in the build, but I really want him in there for narrative purposes and also the fact that we get to choose our warlord traits rather than roll for them.
Astra Militarum
Point total: 1500
Points Used: 1495
HQ[1]
Command Squad [210]
> 1x - Creed
> 4x - Vet; Vox-caster
Troops [3]
Veteran Squad [200]; Grenadiers
> 1x - Vet Sergeant
> 3x - Vet; Melta Guns
> 6x - Vet; Vox-caster, Krak Grenades
> 1x - Dedicated Transport Chimera
Veteran Squad [185]; Grenadiers
> 1x - Vet Sergeant
> 2x - Vet; Plasma Guns
> 7x - Vet; Vox-caster, Krak Grenades
> 1x - Dedicated Transport Chimera
Veteran Squad [185]; Grenadiers
> 1x - Vet Sergeant
> 2x - Vet; Plasma Guns
> 7x - Vet; Vox-caster, Krak Grenades
> 1x - Dedicated Transport Chimera
Heavy Support [2]
Leman Russ Squadron
> 1x - Leman Russ; Battle Cannon, Lascannon, Sponson Heavy Flamer
Wyvern Battery
> 1x - Wyvern
Lord of War [1]
> 1x - Unknown Baneblade Variant (Haven't built it yet)
>>46891625
I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but these could work for tzeentchian chaos cultists.
http://www.tabletop-art.de/Cultist-heads-2
>>46891625
Honestly pink horror bits and burning chariots/heralds come with some nifty tzeentch accoutrements. Depending on what you want to do with mutations and what not possessed/various daemons/spawn might be worth looking into
>>46891625
Warmachine might have some decent robed infantry, though that's probably too expensive for the number of cultists you'd need.
Hay there need some help. Making a 10 man squad of ranged crusader marines in a rino. I don't have bits to make a lascannon so out of all of these choices for a heavy weapon what do you recommend?
Plasma cannon?
Missile launcher?
Grav cannon?
I was thinking the grav but is that too much points for them?
>>46891804
I'd want to outfit an entire Lost and Damned army with this theme, so I don't know, probably looking at 60+ regular infantry to start.
>>46891853
Yeah, it's massed guard renegades, so probably.
>>46891625
>>46891925
Check here
http://pulpfigures.com/products/category/8
If you look down they've got some good ones. Pic related might work quite well with a few eyes painted on the robes.
>>46885744
>rumored perhaps to even be under the mind control of an overlord . . .
This is a thing
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Mindshackle_Scarab#Known_Canoptek_Scarab_Variants
>>46883606
I shall finish my Knight even if it goddamn kills me
>>46891962
6-8 weeks wait, plus import and mail costs. That doesn't seem viable. If I were in the US, that'd be great.
Where can I read some Scion stories?
Iron Fists.
>>46892057
I don't think they've got a mention in any BL books yet, you can find tid bits in their codex however.
How good are vanilla CSM while supplementing 1KSons? Is it just better to bring cultists/spawn? Aggressive style army.Want to fluff it out as a custom tzeentch themed warband that's based in the warp; spends it's time abducting psyker kids and hiring/manipulating/taking over/tagging along with occasional renegade space marines or guard, just the generic background for a sorcerer starting a warband in his garage.
>>46884331
I quite like the pumpkin light
>>46883608
Chosen become Elite devvies - like havoks but without the HW options.
TS Marines need their squad leaders to be costed @grunt+15pts like everyone else's - unless there's a REAL good reason not to.
And there ain't.
>>46889318
ride freight, fellow anon, it's my plan for this summer too
>>46883608
>Chosen
Lower the cost on some of their options, like how Vanguard vets get 5 point powerswords.
Thrown in an option for Jump packs as well.
Let the Champion buy the old Ravagers upgrade for Preferred enemy. That helps them a lot.
>Thousand Sons
Give them Combi-bolters standard. Let up to 4 buy Heavy Bolters (which get AP 3) for 5 pts each. The champion becomes an optional upgrade, and if taken he always knows Doombolt.
Is this dumb? How dumb is this?
I've never used drop pods before. Or really space marines in general. The pods are for the dominions. I figure you could drop them behind enemy vehicles and pop them pretty much immediately.
+++ Sisters Drop Pods 1000pts (999pts) +++
++ Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) (649pts) ++
>+ HQ (95pts) +
Canoness (95pts) [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Rosarius, The Litanies of Faith]
>+ Troops (198pts) +
2x Battle Sister Squad (99pts) [4x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer]
··Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]
>+ Fast Attack (276pts) +
2x Dominion Squad (138pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun, Dominion with Simulacrum Imperialis]
··Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta]
>+ Heavy Support (80pts) +
Penitent Engine Squadron (80pts) [Penitent Engine]
++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (350pts) ++
>Chapter Tactics [Ultramarines]
>+ HQ (90pts) +
1x Captain
····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]
>+ Troops (160pts) +
2x Tactical Squad [Heavy Bolter, 4x Space Marines]
··Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]
>+ Fast Attack (100pts) +
2x Drop Pod (50pts) [Deathwind Launcher]
>>46892839
Use Flesh Tearers detatchment for a more efficient taxi service.
>>46892057
>>46892236
Scion fluff sucks.
Here's what you do, go find the write ups for Medal of Honor citations and replace certain words with their 40k counterparts. EZ. Here's an example:
>Sergeant Aron Voidson
>Date of Issue: 999.M41
>115th Cadian Kasrkin, "The Sea Eagles"
>For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the Emperor's expectations while serving as a Plasma Gunner with Company F, 2d Battalion, 115th Cadian in Kasr Gallen, Cadia in support of the Imperial reconquest. Sergeant Voidson was a member of a platoon-sized Imperial force, comprised of two Kasrkin squads partnered with elements of the Inquisition. The platoon had established a strong point two days earlier in a small village in the Mechanicus Trade District in order to disrupt enemy activity and provide security for the local PDF garrison. Sergeant Voidson and a fellow Kasrkin were manning a rooftop security position on their perimeter when the agents of the Archenemy initiated a daylight attack with frag grenades, one of which landed inside their sandbagged position. Without hesitation, and with complete disregard for his own safety, Sergeant Voidson moved toward the grenade in an attempt to shield his fellow Kasrkin from the deadly blast. When the grenade detonated, his body absorbed the brunt of the blast, severely wounding him, but saving the life of his fellow Kasrkin. By his undaunted courage, bold fighting spirit, and unwavering devotion to the Golden Throne in the face of almost certain death, Sergeant Voidson reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Kasrkin, the Imperial Guard, and the Imperium of Man.
>He is hereby given the Crux Imperialis.
>>46883606
I won a space marine game despite the dice hating me.
>>46892869
Oooh, good call, thanks anon
1200 points Ordo Malleus List.
PRIMARY DETACHMENT - SPACE MARINES EXORCISTS - 538
HQ - 3 Librarians - 195
Mastery Level 1
Librarius Conclave
Grav Pistols
FAST ATTACK - Bike Squad - 93
2x Gravgun
Drop Pod - 35
TROOPS - Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun Sarge
Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun sarge
ALLIED DETACHMENT - INQUISITION - 272
HQ - Ordo Malleus Inquisitor - 77
Power Armor
Hellrifle
Daemonblade
Psyker (ML 1)
3x Servo Skulls
ELITES 1 - 130
4x Crusader
2x DCA
1x Ministorum Priest Plasma Pistol
ELITES 2 - 80
3x Acolytes Melta Guns
4x Acolytes Storm Bolters
1x Psyker
ELITES 3 - 80
3x Acolytes Melta Guns
4x Acolytes Storm Bolters
1x Psyker
Dedicated Transport - Chimera - 65
Storm Bolter
Psybolt Ammunition
2x Heavy Bolters
ALLIED DETACHMENT - MILITARUM TEMPESTUS - 230
HQ - Command Squad - 140
4x Melta Guns
1x Plasma Pistol
TROOPS - Scions - 90
2x Hot-Shot Volley Guns
1200/1200
>>46893059
Oh, and one squad of Inquisition melta gunners is in the Chimera, the other in the pod.
>>46891915
Anyone?
>>46891915
Plasma is always good, and so is grav (even though it's costly). But if you intend for these guys to charge in and suicide it's not a good idea to go for heavy weapons anyways.
>>46893193
Oh no I have CC squads for that in LRC's. These guys are ment to run to the nearest objective and sit there and shoot
>>46893169
>>46891915
If you're planning on driving them around in a Rhino, I'd say the Grav Cannon just to jeep them more mobile.
If you want them more stationary, the Plasma cannon might be a safer bet.
Were you giving them a particular special weapon as well?
>>46893231
I was thinking plasma gun. They are ment for camping an objective. But when you say "more mobile" what do you mean? Is the grav easier to shoot?
>>46883617
>Skorne
Are you fucking serious?
>>46893273
Grav Cannon is Salvo, which means if you move, it fires 3 shots at half-range, instead of snap-shotting like other Heavy weapons.
If you're planning on sitting them still, I'd go for the plasma cannon. It gives them some good range and pairs well with the other plasmagun.
>>46884467
nah he is a cunt
>>46893310
Good to know! Thanks man. Speaking of grav, now that I know this, would it be wise to give a dev squad all grav cannon?
>>46891426
Syria has given us so many wonderful Ork vehicles.
>>46893332
Not overly so. It's not a bad option, but that tends to be a lot of expense for a squad that will be very short range. The mobility doesn't matter as much for them.
It can still work because Grav-cannons are amazing, but it has its risks.
/tg/, what is the best way to safely transport your minis? I am quickly building up a fuck ton of infantry minis.
>Monday
>Still no word on ork leaks
>>46893368
I see I guess a great way to go would be centurion devs. I was thinking one with a grav and amp and the other two with TL lascannons sound better?
>>46893399
It's going to be nothing and you know it. Probably rules for using Orkanauts in Renegade.
>>46893399
It's gonna be AoS Orruks, calling it now.
Either way, prepare to be disappointed.
>>46892872
> Passes a look out sir test by taking a s4 blast for a non-character
Sadly, while badass in real life, it's really small time in 40k.
They must be giving out medals of honor like water for every game my army plays.
>>46893432
I really doubt they would rush such a huge orruk release into one week just so they can move onto supplemental white dwarf rules for a boardgame
>>46893436
But the battletome for orruks is dropping this week, there wouldnt be more stuff coming after it
>>46893375
Foam trays with a non-limp army bag. You can make your own out of foam and a storage container but it'll look like shit. The metal toolbox one is potentially unsafe if shit flies around inside it or it gets knocked around.
>>46893432
>Orkanaughts are now Superheavy walkers
I'm not even an Ork player but this needs to happen.
>>46893457
>another Ork release before CSM get anything
The Heresy was a mistake.
Tyranids
PRIMARY DETACHMENT = 900 Points
Deathleaper = 130
Warrior Brood = 165
- 3 Warriors
- 2 Lashwhip and Boneswords
- Rending Claws
- Deathspitter
- Adrenal Glands
Genestealer Brood = 130
- 5 Genestealers
- Broodlord
Lictor Brood = 150
- 3 Lictors
Zoanthrope Brood = 175
- 3 Zoanthropes
- Neurothrope
Mawloc = 150
- Prehensile Pincer
Ghosar Quintus Broodkin = 600 Points
>>46893424
You're generally best off making sure a squad has similar guns. Mixing can have odd results.
That said, Centurions are a better platform for Gravcannons overall, since SnP really helps them expand their threat range and maintain firepower.
They're still quite expensive, though the durability helps ensure you aren't as likely to lose an expensive Grav cannon like in a normal squad.
>>46893436
Now since when do Orcs in Sigmar-Fantasy say "Dakka" or have any weapon that makes a "Zzap" noise?
>>46893477
>this needs to happen
I hope they do it right and not just make them a Super-Heavy Walker without fixing the other multitude of problems that they have.
>>46893559
Since Space Marines became canon to Fantasy.
>>46889839
Iron Champions? More like Iron Chaplains.
Honestly, if I were good at freehanding, I'd probably run these guys. They're an IF successor, which is cool.
>>46892839
Use Flesh Tearers with a librarian and scouts to keep points down, keep the cannonness cheap, see if you can't squeeze in an excorcist with your freed up points
>>46893059
Librarius conclave is a formation, you can't use them as a HQ choice. Go reread your rulebook's section on detachments, or download it from the OP if you don't have it. When your list is legal i'll give c&c
>>46893508
Your warriors are given way, way too many upgrades. If you're fielding them at all, give them a biocannon and keep them in the backfield. Give your broodlord the extra attack for 4 points. Lictors are best run individually, so one unit of two and one of one would be better. Quintus is fine. I would drop the warrior brood for three units of min-size gaunts of either description, you have enough synapse already. Consider swapping deathleaper for a Flyrant, they really are the best thing in the codex by far
>>46883606
Priming my Eldar.
>>46891670
bump
50 man blob with 5 flamers, 5 autocannons to get a bunch of priestly faith and psychic powers shoved up their asses.
Is it worth 50 points to give them all krak grenades to tear monstrous creatures and AV 12 and below walkers apart in CC? It's not unlikely they'll encounter daemons, nids and probably some tau suits.
>>46893679
>can't use as HQ
Um what?
From page 121 of the small rulebook, in the black box:
>Unless stated otherwise, each individual unit maintains its normal Battlefield Role when taken as part of a formation.
From the Spess Mehreens 'dex:
>Note that you can also include any of the Formations presented in
this section as part of a Battle-forged army.
So I'm allowed to take the 3 Libs in the Formation and they can still count as HQ choices, no?
>>46893970
Battlefield Role doesn't mean CAD requirement fulfillment. They are HQs but they aren't your mandatory CAD HQs because they are the fucking HQs you put in the Librarius. The Librarius consists of 3-5 HQ Librarians.
>>46893970
You can't take them as both a formation and a normal detachment. The formation is its own detachment. You can't just randomly slot that shit into the normal detachment, you're not Imperial Guard.
>Unless stated otherwise, each individual unit maintains its normal Battlefield Role when taken as part of a formation.
>when taken as part of a formation
YOU TOOK THEM AS A FORMATION DETACHMENT, YOU CAN'T RE-TAKE THEM IN ANOTHER DETACHMENT, EACH MODEL CAN ONLY BELONG IN A SINGLE DETACHMENT, PRETTY SURE THAT'S IN THE RULEBOOK.
>>46893970
Each individual model can be only taken in a single detachment, unless otherwise stated. The CAD is a different detachment than a Librarius Conclave formation.
Ordo Malleus list, I DUN FUCKED UP EDITION
PRIMARY DETACHMENT - SPACE MARINES EXORCISTS - 558
HQ - Librarian - 65
3 Librarians - 155
Mastery Level 1
Librarius Conclave
FAST ATTACK - Bike Squad - 93
2x Gravgun
Drop Pod - 35
TROOPS - Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun Sarge
Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun sarge
ALLIED DETACHMENT - INQUISITION - 272
HQ - Ordo Malleus Inquisitor - 77
Power Armor
Hellrifle
Daemonblade
Psyker (ML 1)
3x Servo Skulls
ELITES 1 - 130
4x Crusader
2x DCA
1x Ministorum Priest Plasma Pistol
ELITES 2 - 80
3x Acolytes Melta Guns
4x Acolytes Storm Bolters
1x Psyker
ELITES 3 - 80
3x Acolytes Melta Guns
4x Acolytes Storm Bolters
1x Psyker
Dedicated Transport - Chimera - 65
Storm Bolter
Psybolt Ammunition
2x Heavy Bolters
ALLIED DETACHMENT - MILITARUM TEMPESTUS - 230
HQ - Command Squad - 140
4x Melta Guns
1x Plasma Pistol
TROOPS - Scions - 70
1200/1200
Drop the melta acolytes and the drop pod to get it to 1k
here's another attempt at an offensive tzeentch-themed CSM army, 1000 pts:
HQ
Sorcerer: Bike, Mark of Tzeentch, Aura of Dark Glory, Spell familiar, ML3 - 170pts
Troops
1kSons:Aspiring Sorcerer w/ GoM / 8x Rubrics; Rhino - 277 pts
Cultists:Champion / 9x Cultists - 50 pts
Cultists:Champion / 9x Cultists - 50 pts
Elites
Suicide Termies:Champ w/ Combi-Melta / 2x Combi-Melta Termies - 112 pts
FA
Raptors:Raptor Champ w/ Melta Bomb / 4x Raptors w/ 2x Flamers - 110 pts
Spawn:3x Spawn - 90 pts
HS
Havoc Squad:Aspiring Champ / 4x Havocs w/ 4x Autocannons
This can go way, way better of course, but keeping within fluff while getting those better options can be a pain.
>>46894221
ok, the librarius conclave is a seperate detachment, so list it seperately from the rest of your marines. I would honestly reccomend dropping it entirely for the moment until you play some 1k point games. You don't need it, and a beginner list with gravbikes and a conclave reeks of netlisting. Consider giving your HQ librarian ML2 and some method of getting around, like a jump pack or a bike-footslogging will get you killed. Bikes are fine, gravbikes are too good. What are you putting in that lone drop pod? Once again, your tac squads are gonna get minced because they're footslogging, give them rhinos.
Drop the hellrifle and daemonblade from your malleus (and you've fucked up your pricing on him btw, he should be 102), either give him termie armour and an incinerator or psycannon, or keep him cheap with just the skulls and ML, since he's a t3 s3 'umie git he can't use the toys very well.
Your warbands are once again mostly footslogging, stop that. Never, ever take plasma pistols, they're a shitty trap option.
Stormtroopers are allright except the scions have no weapons. Cut the plasma pistols, give them either melta, plasma or volleyguns.
Overall, your list is pretty awful, has too many footsloggers, trap options, no long-range firepower, and has little synergy other than taking things that the internet says are good. Buy 500 points of marines, paint them, play some games, come back with experience.
Should Grav exist at all? Discuss
>>46894395
>plasma pistols
wait wat? what's wrong with plasma pistols? Extra attack in CC, good for the scion melta squad since they're suicide bombers anyways.
>gravbikes/conclave
How good are they really? You assumed correctly, I did pretty much just throw it in off the internet, but are they that bad?
>malleus is a git
probably true. Might just take Coteaz instead and just use the footsloggers to hold backfield objectives.
>long-range firepower
Could use suggestions on that actually. The plan with the drop pod and the melta squads would be just shoot them on top of someone and cut the "long-range" out of the equation.
Maybe an Inquisitor with conversion beamer? 70 points for s10 AP 1 at 42" or greater, S8 AP2 until 18" in and then S4 AP6. Stick him in the Chimera and have him poot around in the back and pop shots at stuff and run away from scary things.
>>46894527
>what's wrong with plasma pistols?
They cost more than the guy holding them.
>>46894527
>15 points
might as well just get an extra scion for that price
>>46894522
It should be the 30k version. There's no reason for it not to exist but it is kind of retarded in 40k.
I don't really care if it gets removed since I only use it in boring cheesy no fluff lists anyways. I would prefer a way to get other weapons for cheaper in space marines. 14 points for a guy then 20 points on top of that for a LC or 25 points more for a PF? Nah, son.
>>46884624
Sixty points for a single wound model is too steep. Especially when he has a pretty good chance of frying himself trying to cast spells.
>>46894522
It's an okay idea, but currently it's too strong. They need to tone back the number of shots to be more in line with other anti-armor guns.
A grav cannon has no business putting out 5 shots
