The Gitgud Frog Edition
Why is red now an F-tier color? How much have you spent adapting to the new meta? Do you think allies in BFZ and OGW were a good idea or an attempt at forcing decks? Find out on this edition of the standard general!
Mono-Black Zombie Tribal: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dead-zone-1/
>>46841542
I'm running R/W allies with equipment, and G/W clues/ Westvale shenanigans. The only problem is splitting my good white cards between the two (i.e. which one gets the three copies of Always Watching I have)
I got a random question, can't find the answer anywhere basically what I want to know is can a card that says "Add one mana of any color to your mana pool." add colorless/waste mana? Or does it have to be one of the established 5?
>>46843526
It cannot, because Waste is specifically colorless.
ttp://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nahiris-delirious-madness/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gb-midrangedelirium/
Gitrekt Monster, you say? (Halp me please)
>>46843584
What, no Jund deck?
>>46843930
I've been brewing with Jund midrange, but I have issues trying to cram so much goodstuff into so few slots.
>Sold a Sin prodder, Tireless Tracker, and a junk rare for 6 bucks at my FLGS
>Bought two packs
>First pack has an Avacyn
>Sold it on the spot for 28 bucks
>spent it on 9 packs and 2 card boxes
>Pulled a Sorin, a TITI, and enough vampires to complete my Standard Rakdos deck
>Going back to cash in on my Sorin as well as test out my deck
Feels good manIf next set's Liliana is as good as the Veil Lili, I'm gonna save my birthday money for a booster box, consequences be damned
>>46841542
git gud frogger
Anyone got some interesting or unorthodox brews they want to be goodeven though you know it will never compete against the meta?
Still wrecking face with my R/G werewolves. Mono white humans have nothing on me
>>46844202
Yeah, -> >>46843930 >>46844030
>>46843526
"Not a car" isnt a type of car, anon
>>46844351
Rood
>>46844202
Currently brewing Izzet Harness
No idea what the fuck I'm doing but I'm going to somehow make a burn deck with Harness The StormIt can wreck in a modern burn deck since it's basically Storm's little crippled brother
>>46844684
I also have the misfortune of having a 3 harness the storm, do you have a list?
>>46844730
no, not yet
So far the plan is 3-4 Memes in the Ice, that 3/4 flip enchantment, an Insectile Aberration or two, Harness the Storm, and as many low cmc burns as I can afford
Maybe a tombstone golem to keep the storm harnessed, but that's a sideboard card tbqh family
>>46844298
List for anyone who cares
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rg-standard-werewolveswolves/
>>46841542
LADS LADS LADS LISTEN
....
black red flyers
whaddya think?
>>46847582
You mean B/R Midrange where all your creatures happen to fly? Sure, seems fine. Play Goblin Dark Dwellers though, that way you can loop K- Commands
>>46845497
So are you just actually retarded or are you seriously not running the best werewolf card in the format?
>>46848173
I skipped it last night in the draft for breakneck rider.
fite me bitch
>>46844298
I'm having some joy playing heavy red werewolves/black removal.
>>46848173
Give me a reason to use it when the highest cmc creature is 4 in my deck. Also I can just sideboard if I wanted to duskwatch badly
>>46841542
Alright lads I got a story for ya.
>Playing at local shop
>New guy shows up with a girlfriend, both sit down and get to playing
>Girl is borrowing decks n stuff from guy, I'm up against her first
>She picks mono-g elves against Angel BR
>Terrible opening hand (Literally all land) but keep it to see what might happen.
>She starts rolling out elves, but isn't attacking
>Literally made all of her elves 3/3s, but keeps only attacking with one while giggling
>Draw new Chandra, not enough mana to play her
>Suddenly draw new Nahiri, play her since no other options
>She ignores her, keeps swinging with her one elf to try rubbing it in
>Nahiri hits 8
>Nahiri into Sol Ring (Lol) into Chandra into -4
>Play Elspeth turn after
>Draw pic related a few turns later
>GG
I think I made her mad.
>>46848665
I think you meant this for the EDH general, but still nice story regardless
>>46848665
>BR
Shit, was thinking about Boros. WR
> get a fat pack today
>sorin and the get good frog and enough other shit the pack almost paid for itself
Really looking forward to eldritch moon, pretty much getting a fat pack of each new set just for the decent boxes.
>>46841542
>do you think allies were a good idea
No.
There's a reason that Allies have only appeared in four sets. In Zendikar block, they were shitty Slivers. You could figure this out by comparing Harabaz Druid (a rare) to Gemhide Sliver (a common better than the aforementioned rare).
In Battle For Zendikar block, the Allies all seemed weird to me. Most of them don't actually mention being Allies, and none of the eight Ally rares that actually mention Allies read very well.
>tfw your kitchen table games are getting competitive enough that people are talking about buying singles to get four ofs and people actually want to start going to fnms
I don't know the power level of my local store but I can see some dreams getting crushed in the future.
Drafting should be fun though.
>>46841542
>Why is red now an F-tier color?
The fuck does that mean?
>How much have you spent adapting to the new meta
Not much, my LGS is mostly casual jankbrews. No tryhard faggots
>Do you think allies were a good idea
They were released at the wrong time, the only allies that came out looking good were the WR
>>46848613
You don't play it for the discount. You play it for 2g draw a creature flip wolves
>>46849213
I would rather use oath of nissa, wasting 3 mana to potentially get a creature doesn't fit my meta
>>46841542
git gud frogger
I've been lurking these threads for a while, I dont really have anyone interested in ever playing casual with me, and so I only ever go to friday draft nights at my local store.
I dont have any strong urge to play constructed, and I haven't really come across anyone at my local store playing anything but legacy or basically just whatever goes, so I only ever play in drafts, and put the deck in a box at the end of the night and never use them again.
to get anything decently competitive to play in a constructed format, I'm gunna have to drop at least a hundy right?
why?
is drafting not a more even format for playing?
gib advice pls, some of you apparently spend shitloads on physical cards, should I stick to my $20 drafts a week and leave it at that?
>>46849503
You can make a fairly competitive deck for less than $50. Especially now with the fetchlands rotated, it depends on the meta of your store if it would be worth playing more seriously
>>46849503
You could try to sell some of the rares you've gotten in draft that are worth some money and use that to build your constructed deck.
Stupid question - do creatures with a subtype of zombie x (such as zombie horror) count as zombies for tribal synergies?
I'm trying to find a list of all zombies in standard but none include cards like forgotten creation. Anyway, are there any acceptable 2-drop zombies besides relentless dead or should I just fill space with Asylum Visitors?
>>46849549
>it depends on the meta of your store
Yeah that's what i'm not so sure of.
we're in a smallish city in New Zealand, so the most people I have ever seen in there is only 30-40.
the first time I saw people playing there they had like 300 card decks and 50 life points, and most of the games I've seen outside the drafts seem to be similar weird games that I don't understand.
>>46849638
yeah that's probably what I'm gunna do at some point, I just try to be wary of ending up like the stories I hear of people spending thousands on decks, which I can see myself doing given the chance.
fuck, mind you, 20 a week adds up pretty fast over a year or two now I think about it.
>Standard states tomorrow
>Can't find all my Hallowed Moonlights
Kill me
>>46849759
>Stupid question
yeeeeeah dawg
so 'hound of the farbogs', and 'crow of dark tidings' are good to go for example
you'd be a good person to ask then
do you like voracious null? I can't make my mind up on it.
>>46849854
did you check your pockets?
Who is the best seller to use on TCG in australia? I find channel fireballs postage to be way too slow
>>46849863
No, I don't like it since the timing is limited, inferior to Nantuko Husk and other 3 drops.
>>46850011
Husk is only to end of turn though
Null is the same thing, but with a 2 mana cost for 2*1/1 counters
But yeah, the extra mana cost on turn 4 means you can only play either some kind of 2 drop spell or bear, although it becomes a turn 4 4/4 and turn 5 6/6 assuming you have a creature to sac.
I want it to be good, but it's a bit too dependant on other cards to be able to ramp up to live more than a few turns.
How did peoples FNM's go?
I went 3-0-1 and ID'd with the only other 3-0 but we still played a few fun games
I'm loving UR Goggle Control. Extremely fun to navigate games with it
went 0-2 in the first and both sets were like 4 minutes against mono humans.
went 2-0 in the second game against some poor girl who drew nothing but lands
last guy defaulted and I just brought a booster and played a new kid there for the rare out of it.
dont wanna talk about who won.
>Mana Curve 2.5
>Have Relatively Reliable Clue Draw Power
>Green/White with a splash of Black
>A Creature That Produces Mana x3
How many lands should I be running? Can I get away with 20?
How do you git gud at magic? Just went 3-2 with a expensive deck. Feels bad man.
>>46851202
Depends on what your clue generator is but yes. 20 lands with a 3 mana curve is fine.
>>46850122
Since the format has so much exile based removal its best to use husk over null since null can only do so at sorcery speeds. Making the card null. Zombies have a lot of powerful cards. I'm just waiting for someone to crack open the box and let it out.
>>46851361
3x Confront the Unknown
4x Tireless Tracker
4x Thraben Inspector
>>46850777
been running 3-1 or 2-2 with b/g midrange gitgud frog is good
>>46844817
Why no stormchaser mages and titans strength it flips your tities and smashes face
>>46850122
Idk, I feel like that card takes too much investment to actually be worth it at that cost (if it was a 2 drop itd be nice,id run 3) vs husk/fleshbag marauder/graveblade marauder, something im pretty much always gonna get value out of. Getting to block straightaway with Nantuko Husk and buff it as an instant effect - thats gonna happen way more than you're going to end up getting enough counters on this thing (and wasting mana to do so)
>>46850777
2-2 with G/B Token rites. First time playing since like September. I like the deck but it's got some things wrong with it I'm not sure how to fix
>>46851759
>>46851399
yeah this is true, I didn't really consider the speeds, chur
>>46851399
I'd look for a consistent way to ramp for a devastating cast of From Under The Floorboards.
My favorite deck to play in OGW standard was Esper demonic pact, but I very much depended on fetches and Dig Through Time to find my pacts. Is there any good way to play this deck in today's standard?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-01-16-esper-demonic-pact/
>>46849759
use advanced search on the gatherer page.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&format=+[%22Standard%22]&subtype=+[%22Zombie%22]
>>46851851
Good enough for the pro tour apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g52c5agycW4
>>46852252
>demonic tentacles
....nice
>>46852325
>Nath of the Gilt-leaf
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may have target opponent discard a card at random.
Whenever an opponent discards a card, you may put a 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature token onto the battlefield.
How DOES randomly discarding like that work in the physical game?
shuffle hand and draw the top? present to opponent and let them pick one from the back? I can't find any clear answers.
>>46853052
>>46852325
didn't mean to reply sorry
every fucken day I do this...
>>46851349
were you correctly guessing what plays your opponent is making, and then responding appropriately with your hand and deck? If yes you need a better deck.
If no you need to play more and watch some pro play. Learn how the meta works and how to properly interact with cards so if the rare opportunity comes up you can maximize your decks abilities.
>>46849881
...they're full
Working on a budget build for game day.
Basic idea is a rally deck that abuses Healer triggers, but can sideboard into a grindier midrange build.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-03-16-ally-aristocrats/
Any suggestions?
>>46854035
Bloodbond Vampire
Drana's Emissary
Cliffhaven Vampire
Kalastria Healer
Lantern Scout
Kor Bladewhirl
dunno how this is on the budget. i dont follow prices.
you absolutely want Kalastria Healer and Drana's Emissary.
there's a rare 6drop 5/5 flyer or thereabouts in SOI I can't remember the name of, it's cheap though, and whenever you gain life, opponent loses that much life. that would be a good include too.
>tfw gabby will never crush your head in her thighs
>>46841542
git gud frogger
>>46854209
Defiant Bloodlord
>>46854649
THATS the sucker.
yeah, basically that deck, with some white removal auras, and black straight removal has been all the rage at my LGS
I fucking hate it.
>Season's Past jumping from $2 to $9
What is it being used in?
>>46854962
Season's Past and Dark Petition are used in a BG Control list currently played at the Pro Tour.
>>46854962
Quick google search shows Jon Finkel is running B/G control for PT with Season's Past
Can someone explain to me why is Liliana, Heretical Healer rising up in price so unexpectedly i have seen her in like 0 decks anywhere yet she keeps popping up in the daily price change going up and up and up.
>>46855178
Black-Green Aristocrats
>>46843526
>any colour
>colourless
You did go to school, right anon?
>>46850777
5-1 with w/b vampire ally aristocrats. It's easy to beat company and humans when you never have to attack them, and can just drain them to death
>>46851202
Can I get a second opinion tg?
So Arlinn was a meme after all...
>>46856843
>Someone on this board bought Arliin Kord for $40 bucks hoping it would warp Standard.
>>46856529
post a deck list already faggot
>>46857292
Well since you asked so nicely *winky face*
(I only care about Innistrad)
Creatures
4x Thraben Inspector
4x Thalia's Lieutenant
4x Tireless Tracker
3x Odric, Lunarch Marshall
3x Deathcap Cultivator
2x Indulgent Aristocrat
2x Sigarda Herons Grace
Non Creatures
3x Hope Against Hope
3x Gryff's Boon
3x Dead Weight
3x Confront The Unknown
3x Anguished Unmaking
2x Geist Cloak
1x Sorin, Grim Nemesis
Land
4x Fortified Village
4x Swamp
4x Forest
8x Plains
Say what you will about LSV but at least he doesn't do that annoying fucking card flicking
Sup /tg/
Noob player here with a basic question.
If I kill my opponents creature that had skin invasion on it for a few turns with a sorcery on my turn, I get it back as a 3/4 creature. Does that creature then have summoning sickness?
>>46857476
Sideboard
1x Sigarda, Herons Grace
1x Dead Weight
1x Confront The Unknown
1x Sorin, Grim Nemesis
3x Eerie Interlud
3x Nahiri Machinations
1x Forest
1x Plains
Maybe fill the rest with Always Watching? Hadnt decided.
I'm not great at determining what should go in a sideboard
>>46857588
Yes because it left then reentered the battlefield.
>>46857665
>>46857665
Thank you!
>>46856982
no I didn't. actually I haven't bought anything due to scg's jew prices.
Felt really good that my shitty homebrew went 3-1 at FNM last night
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-03-16-temur-ramp/
>>46848302
>i skipped a bear in draft
Ok, buckle up, cus we're gonna ramp harder than anyone has ever ramped before.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/manliest-ramp-deck-ever/
>>46844087
Same anon
>Go to local Rite aid and pick up 2 packs for shits & giggles
>Pull another Avacyn
My smug has reached critical levels
>>46850777
I went 4-1 with my own goggles brew, only lost to Bant company. I've been thinking about dropping my green and getting on the UR control boat though for that Anguished unmaking playmat next week.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nu-std-bru-r/
>Finkel in PT top 8 again
>with a meme deck
>>46856982
>mfw i got 2 arlins in one booster pack
>>46857476
Bump?
how does mono white humans deal with languish
I always end up getting them low then i get hit with a languish and after that i just cant pick up any momentum
>>46856982
>tfw bought 2 arlinn for $20
Even if she drops I still paid jack shit for them
>>46858730
Nothing.
The best bet is getting multiple copies of Always Watching on board as fast as possible.
>>46858730
Archangel of Tithes
So, whats worth investing in now?
I see that Dark Petition, Cryptolith Rite and Season's Past have already gone up. Also Goggles is at $15 and Chandra is at $30
Guys - what should I choose. I can buy only one set
- JOU Fatpack or
- BNG Fatpack or
- 3 M15 intro packs or
- 3 FRF intro packs
Every set has same price as other and I can pick only one
So is top 8 viewable anywhere or...?
>>46858996
E. None of the above.
>>46859361
But they are like 50% cheaper than standard price or even more
>>46859649
If you want to gamble, JOU fatpack.
If you REALLY want to gamble, FRF intro packs.
>>46858996
>Buying intro packs.
Retard
>>46849242
Are you ignoring the fact that its also a 2/2 werewolf that flips into a 3/3 that lets you dump even more werewolves.
Stop trying to justify your poor deckbuilding.
>>46859750
>check out B/G Control
>have literally no idea how the fuck does this guy go almost undefeated with that deck.
I have like 90% of that deck, Is it really that good? How the fuck does he win? Im so fucking confused.
>>46848613
Also, magmatic chasm and rabid bite are not good cards. Fucking lightning axe and fiery temper are in the format. Chasm is MAYBE, a sideboard card, and a removal spell that requires you to have a creature out, and often can only hit for 2 or 3 is not good.
>>46859750
>Price of one intro pack = price of two boosters
I don't think so Anon.
Also BFZ and OGW intro packs were glorious.The best one I bought for casual play with friends since BNG
>>46859681
Was M15 really this bad? To be honest I skipped this set
>>46859861
I'm not ignoring anything, duskwatch recruiter has certain decks he would operate very well in and it happens to not be that deck. Lambholt pacifist is a better alternative to duskwatch due to already starting as a 3/3 and then flipping into a 4/4. Plus duskwatch is prone to being targeted more often than the others because morons like you see his ability as overpowered.
>>46859909
>Fiery Tempest
Pray tell why should I use a card in a deck that only has 3 cards than can trigger madness. You also imply my werewolves will never flip and stay as weakling. I would wreck your shitty little brew with this deck
>>46859876
So basically, you use your spells to stay alive early, then use dark petition to grab seasons past. Seasons past gives you all your cards back. The key interaction is that seasons past then goes on the bottom of your library, where you can search for it again with dark petition. To win, you loop seasons past and dark petition to make sure you never run out of cards to kill all of their stuff with while eventually killing them with kalitas, ashaya, or manlands.
>not a single bant company in top 8 in madrid
feels pretty good
have x4 Chandra, flamecaller
Hold? Sell? Its around $30
>>46861583
Sell, its good but not that good.
>>46861186
Andrea Mengucci
>>46858730
Always watching, enshrouding mist, thalias liutenant and anything else that cam boost it up to 5 toughness. Sadly even sigarda doesnt work against languish
So I have a question: is Arlinn Kord a relatively common (for a Planeswalker) card to see in Shadows packs for anyone else due to the flip card spot in those packs, or have I just been freakishly lucky with my pulls lately?
I've made a terrible mistake.
I originally got into magic with a group of people that loved edh. I still enjoy the format, but no one at my local shop plays it, and/or wants to spend 10 hours playing a multiplayer game. I'm looking to make a budget standard deck, does anyone have any suggestions? Well, maybe budget is the wrong word, I have a lot of singles but I don't have any play sets of any rares.
Based on a couple of drafts with this current set, I think a blue-green investigate deck could be pretty mean, but I have no idea how to balance multiple copies of a card. I'm trying to do something with erdwal illiuminators cranking out double clues for various things, then using confront the unknown as a cheap pump spell for tireless trackers to do things, but I don't even really know where to start.
Dude I LOVE the deck team pantheon came up with (BG Past Control)
I have nearly 0 cards from standard. I play modern the most.
So here's my question for you all.
I'm an uni student so my gain per month is negative. Budget problem. I can spend money on magic. However...
Why have I to spend 120€ (by magiccardmarket) to play standard at some level? It ROTATES OUT. The deck is useless without the tutor I guess. I hate standard because of this. Help me, how should I get into standard?
>inb4 sell memedern.
>>46841542
>Dark petition went up 800%
Ayyy
>>46862709
build your deck around 2-3 ideal board states. figure out the cards necessary for that state and run 4 of those.
cards that are generally useful but not necessary for your strat should be 3-4 copies.
Clues there are two ways to go - tutor fatties with briarbridge and tamiyo's journal, or mill out with fleeting memories and sphinx's tutelage.
bant will be generally faster than simic.
>>46862908
Okay, cool. Give me 20 or so minutes to see if I can throw something together. I was looking at other standard decks and saw someone came up with:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ug-investigate-2/
I probably could make something like that, I would just need to pick up the yavimaya costs and 3 more journals. Would it be worth it?
>>46862865
>TFW wanted to try that demonic pact deck
>>46862950
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ug-investigate-2/
yeah, that is a fairly reliable strat. I would cut down on the daring sleuths - in my clue deck they don't end up doing a lot of work - and sideboard the root outs.
Also I only run 3 journals, since they are legendary you don't want to end up with a bunch of them in your hand. Up to you.
>>46863056
That's what I noticed playing a few drafts. The sleuths seem better than they are. Would it be worth it to go for a more aggro-approach with some skulk, or throw in some hermits of the natterknoll for defense against counters?
>>46862865
>Liliana went from $17 to $28
Should i
Sell now
Wait and Sell later
Keep and make the deck
I can do any of those.
>>46863102
it depends on how dependent you expect to be on ongoing investigation to create clues. The list you posted runs four of them. If that is your plan, some unblockable creatures would be helpful.
hermit is a generally good card and is very useful against control decks, but don't expect to transform him reliably every game.
>>46863191
>>46863102
just realizing this isn't running graf mole. that is the wrong choice - that card does work.
>>46863122
Sell, it may sucks when liliana from EM is revealed.
You can make the deck too if you want to play it.
>>46858015
nigga
have you seen breakneck rider?
i'm not skipping that
>>46862223
fuck I somehow missed that one
>>46858950
Bought 8 crypts for $8 off eBay a week ago, feels good. Got season's past x3 for 600 pucapoints before it quadrupled
>>46841542
git gud frogger
>>46862699
I've gotten two from a single fat pack myself and a third from booster box
Went 2-2 on FNM with a UW spirits/tempo. Mainly due to horrible playing and sequencing, but the potential for the deck is great. That being said, how does one side against bant company? I feel hallowed moonlight isn't enough.
>>46864610
Dispel?
Negate?
Hallowed?
Dropping some Reflector Mages of your own?
Rate this here meme
2 Linvala, the Preserver
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Dragonlord Silumgar
4 Grasp of Darkness
4 Secure the Wastes
3 Painful Truths
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
3 Ob Nixilis Reignited
2 Stasis Snare
2 Dispel
2 Negate
1 Void Shatter
1 To the Slaughter
1 Anguished Unmaking
2 Languish
1 Planar Outburst
1 From Under the Floorboards
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
2 Shambling Vent
1 Island
3 Port Town
2 Prairie Stream
3 Choked Estuary
2 Plains
2 Sunken Hollow
3 Swamp
1 Westvale Abbey
4 Caves of Koilos
Sideboard:
2 Demonic Pact
2 Angelic Purge
2 Invocation of Saint Traft
1 To the Slaughter
1 Anguished Unmaking
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Descend upon the Sinful
1 Languish
3 Transgress the Mind
>>46862849
make friends, pool cards
Ruling question for you guys, from a new player. And I tried googling it first.
Say I've got an Archangel of Thune (3/4, Flying, Lifelink, "Whenever you gain life, put a 1/1 counter on each creature you control") and I attack. My opponent blocks with a (usually stolen) Seraph of the Sword (3/3, Flying, "Prevent all damage that would be dealt to [this creature]"). Does the Archangel get the healing?
I'm stuck between:
>Damage is dealt, Lifelink activates, Damage is mitigated. Yes.
>Damage is prevented before it ever happens. Lifelink doesn't activate. No.
>>46865664
You cant get life from lifelink if all the damage is prevented.
>>46865664
latter
Man, I hate when the protour debuts really neat interesting decks that I'll never get to play because the PT causes even junk rares to jump to 80-100 a playset
21 Swamps
39 Razortooth Rats
what percentage of games do you think you could get a win?
>>46858107
>All those Tokens
>No Cryptolith Rite
>>46866167
maybe 3%
probably related to the percentage of games your opponent mulligans to one.
>>46866122
Just wait a week.
>>46866167
I assume you meant Relentless Rats
>>46866122
Fortunately the Seasons Past deck only uses two copies of it. That thing looks fun.
>>46866798
fuck.
yes
>>46866290
i'd like to think it might be slightly more than that.
>>46866122
>I can state with confidence that most of the Pantheon is playing a deck that few others will be playing at the Pro Tour. Right now, Seasons Past is selling for about 0.4 tickets on MTGO. Come Sunday, one of two things will have happened—the price will have increased by at least one order of magnitude, or we will have had a terrible Pro Tour.
>>46866167
Well since this is the standard thread I would say 0% due to disqualification.
In modern you would win less than that.
>mfw I have a playset of foil dark petition and 3 nonfoil seasons past
Should I sell or wait?
>>46867480
Sell, it's only good in a couple decks and doesn't have much promise for eternal formats, they'll come down soon
>>46867518
I'll sell right away then. I'm glad that shitty box I bought back when had some kind of upside
>>46857476
Dont be so tsundere stg
Any suggestions? More specifically on land?
>>46866993
>>46866937
I was more upset about dark petition, not seasons memeings
I want to make that demonic pact tentacles deck
>>46868441
I'm going to try out both since they use so many of the same cards.
>>46868684
I'll wait for pact to go down again, if it even does. Sucks that it bumped up 1000% and is a key card to the deck. The rest of the deck is pretty cheap.
Guys I got a playset of the blue mythic that mills for 13 at pre release for 2$ each. Last time i checked it was still 2$ and now its 5$. Did something happened in pro tour? Did some deck use it to justify the spike? Should I sell them now?
So what does stg think about all the decks in the pro tour top 8?
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptsoi/top-8-decklists-2016-04-23
git gud frogger
>>46869523
Relived that it's not 8 coco decks that's for sure.
>>46869523
8 different archetypes in the top8. SOI is awesome!
I'll be on cockatrice all night under IwakuraLain playing until i fall asleep if anyone wants in
Man, I REALLY want Fevered Visions to be a deck. I've been playing it on Magic: Duels and it's some of the most fun I've had in a long time.
UR Tempo/TITI decks any good?
>>46871228
I agree I really like the two B/G decks as well as the goggle decks.
>>46871260
It's good but vulnerable to aggro fevered visions only makes low to the ground decks stronger and you can't rely on having enough Radiant Flames to save yourself
>ProTour Top 8
>Ctrl + F: Reflector Mage
>1 of 1
>Ctrl + F: Collected Company
>2 of 2
Is it finally over? 3cmc value town is finally dethroned? Was Standard finally cracked? Can we play Midrange creative decks without getting swarmed by 1-3cmc hyper aggro creature based decks?
Can we finally have fun on Standard?
>>46869523
Better than abzan and not-esper like how it was.
>>46871620
>Can we finally have fun in standard?
Are you just going to copy the top 8 again? If yes then no.
>>46871681
I always use the Top 8 as guidelines and then just mix up some cards i have to make it a bit less netdecky, ive been thinking on dropping the collected company on LSVs BG Aristocrats ( They are too expensive right now wooping $22) And trying up some Lilianas Indignation's.
With Cryptolith Rites and Scions and Zulaport drains i could maybe get a huge Liliana's Indignation by turn 5 and kill my opponent.
Much better than spending almost $100 on a playset of CoCo's that are in the next set to rotate out.
>>46871822
There's a difference between making multiple changes and blatantly copying top 8. What you're doing is fine
I'm considering trying to make something with both seasons past and brain in a jar since they want the same things, which is cards with a variety of mana costs, suggestions?
Is mill with Startle Awake viable in a U/B control?
>>46872701
mill is better with tutelage and card draw than startled awake.
>>46872769
What about combined?
>>46873254
I feel maybe as a two of for a finisher, you won't be able to cast it twice most games.
>>46873254
Also worth noting is that it is a good idea to run tutelage with red since tormenting thoughts and magmatic insight give the cheapest card draw in the format and you are going to be wanting to draw a cards for tutelage.
I'm asking because some friends gave me SoI and BfZ UB Lands and some blue spells (sphinx enchantment and startlet awake among them).
>>46841542
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/frog-worship/
So I won three straight matches 2-0 each time, I can't stop laughing
What's a fun Eldrazi focused deck? I'm new as furk and they look really cool.
>>46873498
I feel like you rarely get your battle-lands to come in untapped
>>46873638
You are going to want to pick some colors to go with that, there are a lot of ways to play eldrazi.
>>46873498
Do you get a lot of value from the asylum visitor? I don't see how the opponents hand is ever empty.
I'm thinking about Green/Black Ramp with From Under The Floorboards and Nantuko Husk, is there enough good ways to proc madness on FUTF consistently? The Seasons/Petiton loop would be nice but I can't afford that.
I really wanna abuse From Under The Floorboards.
>>46873942
If you don't have a competitive meta, Elusive Tormentor and Markov Dreadknight should work, maybe macabre waltz
>>46873638
Red/Blue "deal damage when using colorless" deck isla what i used till it got stolen.
Doing 2 to 3 damage every time you use ANY nonland was fun
>>46874249
Shit dude, did someone steal a tier 2 deck?
>>46873727
i play myself out constantly so yes but if you've got another 3/1 that can draw me cards when i need them most i'm all ears
>>46873642
turns out not to be true at all. I've yet to get screwed even once. must be the glory of the toad.
>>46873498
I used this to shrek a white weenies deck going full tilt. i hope that asshole was salt af.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/br-goggle-tokens/
Black/Red goggle ramp to cast From Under The Floorboards, mostly black and zombies. There's obviously better stuff to do with goggles but this would be fun imo.
>>46841542
git gud frogger
>tfw already spent all your money for the time being on a deck before pro tour
>now cool new decks that are actually good
>too poor to buy more cards
>>46862849
play for free using proxies, or play on free online software such as Xmage.
>>46872701
No.
My current brew. Needs a few adjustments, but had been doing alright. Thoughts? Grindy and obnoxious like magic is supposed to be.
>>46872260
Brain in a Jar is terrible; don't play it.
>>46876063
how do you win?
also, grasp of darkness should be a 4 of, same with languish
>>46869523
I'm a sucker for G/W
That Tokens deck is OP as hell.
I was right to bank my money on Gideon and Nissa being a 10/10 combo.
>>46841542
I don't play M:tG, sorry
But I wish you guys the best of luck with your game.
It's rare to find people on /tg/ who enjoy playing games where you try to win against the other players.
What are the best things to buy for a new player getting into MTG? Are the starter decks any good? Is there a particular set that has a higher volume of staples than the others, or should I just go for the latest release?
I'm coming fromthe Pokemon TCGwhere the starter decks are shit and there's only 2 or 3 sets worth buying from.
>>46859981
M15 didn't really have any modern staples. It was great in standard, but once it rotated the prices dropped hard. On the good side, the set has a lot of casual all-stars like yisan waste not and chasm skulker, which are super fun to play even if they aren't competatively viable.
>>46876063
why fleshbag marauder?
1 toughness creatures for more than 2 mana are shithouse
you know this
>>46876867
do you even know what he does?
>>46876790
The starter decks are all garbage.
Start with booster draft. It will help you learn the game and familiarize you with the new set. From there you can work your way up to Standard if you get help from people at your LGS
Do not try to invest in constructed off the bat, you'll only bleed money.
>>46876912
yeah, it still doesn't stop your opponent killing it by giving it a stern look.
you play that turn 3-4, your opponent kills it next turn with basically anything 4 and under on the mana curve.
>>46876790
I recently did this.
I got a SOI deck builders kit, it seems alright, filled with dual and basic lands, a set of meh cards to play with your mates or whatever, and 4 boosters. for 25 bucks i think it was worth it as a new player to get lands and chunk of cards you can make 2-3 separate decks out of easily.
since then i'm just drafting every friday. now that modern is removed from PT It might be more affordable to make a constructed deck if the prices goes down.
>>46876965
You really need to reread the card.
>>46876965
Fleshbag Marauder is usually going to sacrifice itself. In effect it's just a sorcery-speed edict. This means it's generally just worse than To the Slaughter, but I'm loathe to suggest tweaking numbers because I don't really want to encourage wasting time on this pile.
>>46876992
>You really need to reread the card.
shit nigga it's even worse than I thought it was.
>>46876946
Booster draft is incredibly difficult for a new player.
Start by playing with friends using their decks against them, and learn the game. Once you understand the basics, you may try drafting.
>>46876984
I second the deck builders kits.
they're the price of one draft, slightly more, and you get all the lands and other cards for free basically, the cost of the pack was the same as the four boosters in it.
>>46876620
Atm, my win conditions are Sanitarium Skeleton recursion (which has been better than expected) coupled with call the Bloodline, or combining Remorseless Punishment or from under the Floorboards with Mirrorpool and Mage-Ring Network. The single Damnable Pact can be useful in a pinch as well. While I'm aware these are generally seen as bad cards, the deck is designed to keep the board clear. I'm about even on mtgo with win /loss and improving.
The two Languish is a budget constraint at the moment, though I'm running 4 in paper along with two ob Nixilis. Feel I should have another condition in the sideboard for Token strategies. Doing alright against them, but need something to replace from under the Floorboards. Been wondering about Erebos's Titan.
I'll take the Grasp of Darkness into account, run those instead. Been thinking about it, thought I'd see what others thought. I have run into problems with manlands on occasion.
>>46876867
Fleshbag Marauder
2b for a 3/1
When it Enters, each player sacrifices a creature.
it's an edict on a stick, fuels delirium, can swing in for 3, and trades a token or Skeleton (who can be recurred) on my side for one of their real cards. This deck isn't built with beating down in mind, but instead making the opponent keep a clear board so they don't beat down.
>>46876946
There is a huge MTG community at my LGS so drafting would be a nice way to start. Thanks.
>>46876984
>>46877030
I might try and encourage a friend to pick up a deckbuilding or a starter deck with me just to learn to play. Is SOI the set to go for? I like the look of green as a colour.
>>46877119
>Is SOI the set to go for?
can't help you there, i don't know.
my logic was the previous oathwatch set or whatever will rotate out at some point this year, so the more recent one will have a bit more longevity, plus if you are drafting, it will be from that set.
that's my understanding of how it works anyway. someone please correct me
>>46877119
you can make more than two decks from a single deckbuilders toolkit. just to give you both a flavour of it, I dont see the point in buying two honestly you might need 10 or so extra basic lands if you both decide to build the same colours, but that's not an issue, most game stores have basic lands available for people to use while there.
>>46877158
>>46877180
Cool, thanks for your help.
>>46862865
>tfw i own 3
Thank you based jewing
SOI finals in 10 mintues or so
https://youtu.be/GTJXup03jgA
do yourself a favour and mute if you are gunna watch
What do I do with my excess commons? Should I sell them or try to trade them?
>>46878365keep enough to brew shit with and give out the excess to people who need it at the store you play at
Going to draft with some friends who haven't played Magic in a year, should I get a box of SoI or Gatewatch?
Leaning a bit towards Gatewatch since I already drafted SoI once.
>>46878365
Excess commons are pretty much worthless.
You get less money from selling them than the shipment itself would cost.
Maybe your lgs buys bulk or something, but probably only in the thousands of cards. Either way, I just save mine in a shoebox and give them away to new players etc.
>>46878365
giving them to your LGS is generally a good thing I find, or there are always kids with no money and shit that hang around.
I guess selling a bulk lot would be fairly easy to do too.
the owner at my local store noticed me giving kids some of my spare shit, and sorting new players out with basic lands, every odd FNM draft he throws me a couple boosters, so it all tends to come back around I find.
Well, seems the rotation of fetch in T2 actually made all my friends and rednecks from my LGS to go back to magic. They were playing Force of Will for some time and its glad to have them back and have a 20-30+ ppl torney instead of the 7-8 we had pre- SOI.
Hope Wizards dont ruin it
>>46878430
yeah, second this post.
I skipped gatewatch entirely.
>>46876684
>I'm a sucker for G/W
me too.
love to see the deck in the finals
>>46877097
Against tokens, use Virulent Plague.
>>46878365
Don't expect being able to trade away commons. Just keep them around. They might come in handy. Eventually I build ok-for-kitchen-tier decks out of them, and sell them to newbies for 5 bucks. My LGS also has boxes of commons that everyone can donate to, and everyone can loot as much as they want.
>>46878430
Go with SoI, it's a MUCH better set to draft than gatewatch.
>>46878455
Why the hell were they playing FoW? Its a rip off of magic and the art sucks balls
Fuck the PT Seasons Past was just a dollar some days ago. Has the frog gone down at least? I wanted to build that BG self-mill strategy some people discussed on earlier threads
>>46873942
Heir of the Falkenrath for sure. Your best bet to activate madness though is red (Insolent Neonate).
Remember team,
Friends dont let friends play 1 toughness creatures that are not one mana.
>>46878920
rattlechains is amazing though.
>>46878430
SoI is way WAY better.
Can I get some suggestions on this brewed up shit? I've been away from MTG for a couple of years and was never big into standard.. That being said the only people in this area play standard, so I guess that's what I gotta do.
3 Chandra, Flamecaller
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
3 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
4 Insolent Neonate
4 Fiery Temper
3 Tormenting Voices
2 Call the Bloodline
2 Lightning Axe
3 Alms of the Vein
2 Kozilek's Return
4 Avacyn's Judgment
2 Heir of Falkenrath
1 Asylum Visitor
4 Foreboding Ruins
1 Westvale Abbey
11 Swamp
10 Mountain
I have everything except the kalitas and chandras, so I'm wondering if this would be decent enough to invest that money into
>>46879847
It's shit.
>>46879983
(You)
Anyone in here play Historic Standard?
>>46879847
>>46879983
>>46880029
Is /tg/ supposed to be a hugbox or something? He's not wrong; the deck is making quite a few subpar choices and is almost certainly not going to put up any good results.
Anon who posted the deck: Sorry to be a spoilsport, because while I do think there is a viable (and quite good) version of BR abusing Goblin Dark Dwellers and Kolaghan's Command, your deck is cluttered with a bunch of unplayables (Neonate, Call, Alms, and in the case of a controlling deck, Heir, Visitor). You might not want to hear this, but you'd be better served just netdecking; brewing only works when you know the format like the back of your hand.
>>46881469
I'm not looking for "good job epic deck :^)" I'm looking for actual criticism or suggestions, not just "it's shit." with no explanation why. Like I said I'm pretty new to this too, so I fully expect a deck I made myself to indeed be shit, but I want to learn how to get better. I also hate playing white and green, so a net decked baby company or whatever the meta bullshit is right now isn't something I'd like to do. I'm not looking to win a grand prix, I'd like to get a few wins with a fun deck.
On to your actual suggestions, yeah I really should take those out. I've found I have a bad habit of over valuing one/two drops. I'm going to take those out. I get a pretty good engine going with call and kalitas, putting counters on Kalyta a while getting 1 mana 3 damage burns off, but is it unrealistic to expect that to get me anywhere?
I'm really looking for general deck building tips, as net decking won't teach me shit nor be anywhere near as fun
>>46881668
it's shit, and you're shit. my only tip is that I'd recommend you git gud.
>>46881668
your deck seems to want to go tall with a few creatures which will get big, you probably want to have some stuff that can deal with the decks that will go wide (humans and CoCo) the alms are really only good in a deck that is trying to blitz down opponents life total, that is not your deck. You would be better served to get 4 languishes in there as well as some other removal, your deck seems to have very similar goals and win cons as the Jon Finkel's deck at pr tour, look at the control he is running and consider some of those. A good thing about looking at pro decks is that they will sort of have a consensus of what the good cards are in the format, so look at some of the decks with red and black from pro tour and you can see what cards you should run. Sorry I got a bit rambley there, I do think you should run more lightning axes, probably cut most of your creatures except kalitas for more removal.
>>46867518
It is being considered for a ban in vintage. Foils are worth holding onto.
>>46881469
Give criticism, anon. Don't act like a cross boarding newfag from /v/
>>46867480
Hold onto foil Dark Petitions. They get played in Vintage Storm decks due to being able to fetch Yawgmoth's Will and cast it for free. They also see play in Legacy Storm decks infrequently as well.
Seasons Past you could safely sell.
tfw traded almost $200 in standard cards for fetches and foil full arts
>mfw my kytheons were worth piles of money all of a sudden
>mfw at the same time as played cards are spiking, drana is still worth money despite being patently unplayable in any deck
Tried making a casual Vampire/Eldrazi, thoughts?
http://deckstats.net/decks/63685/477472-vampire-eldrazi-alliance
>>46883197
It's shit.
>>46881861
Thanks, I took a look at that deck and got a couple ideas at least
>Go to FLGS to sell Avacyn and TITI
>Avacyn is worth 25 and TITI is only 3
>Last week they were 28 and 12, respectively
WHAT HAPPENED?
>>46883197
vampire noble should never be run in a constructed deck.
>>46883791
archangel avacyn is $40 currently, and TITI is $10 currently. avacyn hasn't gone up or down very much, just a slight decrease from $45-$50 over the past week or so. TITI has gradually decreased in price for two reasons. first of all it's just a rare, secondly the only reason it was worth so much was because people thought it would be nuts in standard and like every other format too. then they realized that the card is shit and that they're all retards, so the price is going down rapidly.
>getting only $25 for your avacyn
fucking cucked lmao
>Traded in some bulk commons for an OGW booster
>pulled a foil and nonfoil kalitas
Should I got back and trade them in again or sit on them?
