Justify Good alignments.
You literally can't.
>>46772018
>OP proves once again that evil cannot comprehend good
>OP confirmed for Neutral Evil
i dont want to be an asshole and help people because im not a faggot
Brainwashing.
Justify shitposting.
You literally can't.
>>46772018
Awww. And I left all my bait reaction images on my other computer.
>>46772018
I like to help people and see them made happy. Suffering should be minimized.
What part of that is hard to grasp?
"You are who you choose to be"
>>46772018
Stop guzzling dicks
You literally can't
>>46772125
Chris, cut it out with the shitty puns.
>>46772018
>Justify Good alignments.
>You literally can't.
It's not that people can't justify good alignments so much as people can't justify good alignments to you.
Give it a few years and you'll finish puberty and all the hormones jetting around your skull will calm down and you'll begin to approach rationality again. We can talk about good alignments after that.
Justify your feelings towards this picture.
You literally can't.
>>46772018
You are putting carriage before the horse, mate.
Justify alignments first.
>>46772150
Damn, that fur seems amazingly soft.
>>46772018
>Justify Good alignments.
>You literally can't.
I beg to differ, good sir.
>>46772167
Quality cropping
Because being good to those who deserve it makes the world better, it makes a world where everyone who deserves to win will win.
Try to justify evil alignments to me, then. Where exactly is the charm in going out of your way to harm others?
>>46772121
Anon I came for justice and kindness, not feels.
>>46772018
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ethics-virtue/
/thread
What is there to justify? You need to identify what needs to be justified before the justification can begin.
Good alignments are horrible no matter how hard people pretend they aren't. Their actions and decisions simply aren't founded in any reasonable human behavior, and make unbelievable and shitty characters because of it. The only reason they can do it is because they're given lolplot super powers and virtually never feel any repercussions for their actions.
"As human beings, our job in life is to help people realize how rare and valuable each one of us really is, that each of us has something that no one else has--or ever will have--something inside that is unique to all time. It's our job to encourage each other to discover that uniqueness and to provide ways of developing its expression."
>>46772325
>Their actions and decisions simply aren't founded in any reasonable human behavior
"Those with the power to do good have a moral obligation to do good."
Yeah, sounds completely unreasonable...
>>46772374
>muh unique snowflake
everyone dies the same
>>46772416
People die in all kinds of different ways.
ITT: spooked property
>>46772414
>Those with the power to do good have a moral obligation to do good.
>moral obligation
to who exactly
to an invisible sky wizard?
the only thing you have an obligation to is yourself, unless you're actually so cucked you have been brainwashed into thinking otherwise
survival of the fittest
>>46772460
>survival of the fittest
Evolution is "to yourself" now?
>>46772460
You'll probably feel differently someday when you have a family or people you love.
>>46772460
>the only thing you have an obligation to is yourself, unless you're actually so cucked you have been brainwashed into thinking otherwise
>survival of the fittest
This is literally what libertarians believe.
>>46772460
>The only thing you have an obligation to is yourself
>Obligation
To who exactly, to an invisible sky wizard?
Literally only true nihilists can argue against morality in general, everyone else has committed a hypocritical logical fallacy.
>>46772460
>to who exactly
Doesn't really matter. God, society, yourself, your philosophy. I am personally an atheist, but I view it as just an innate truth, a basic obligation. Just as every man and woman has certain inalienable rights, every man and woman also has certain fundamental responsibilities.
>survival of the fittest
Well, if you're gonna take that tack, helping people tends to make them grateful to you, which makes them more receptive to any suggestions or requests you might wish to make of them. Play your cards right and you can rise to the top of society in this way, while fundamentally improving society on the way up.
>>46772460
The fittest is not an individual, it's a species within a niche.
Social darwinism is literally retarded babby tier understanding of evolution.
>>46772552
Erm. That was supposed to read "says who," my text-articulation isn't on point today.
>>46772460
The fittest man in the world loses to a paraplegic with a shotgun.
>>46772552
>Literally only true nihilists can argue against morality in general,
Ah, that must be exhausting.
>>46772460
> the only thing you have an obligation to is yourself
Exactly, dummy.
You were born a careful balance between a mindless savage animal and a saintly being, which we'll call the "paragon" for the sake of the argument.
You can succumb to the beast, or you can hold your head high and maintain your humanity despite that there are easier, beastly ways.
It is an obligtion to yourself as a human being - the higher standards you uphold yourself to, the better of a person you are, even if no one is willing to acknowledge it.
For example, is the nobility any better than the average peasant?
Then why do they hold their head so high despite being of the same flesh as peasantry, you might ask?
No, the nobility aren't better, but the blue blood that flows in their veins gives them a reason (or, more appropriately, a cause, a casus) to uphold themselves to higher standards, therefore making them, well, become better human beings.
The peasants have no such reason, and thus are more prone to devolving to beastly ways, but that doesn't stop degenerate nobility from devolving either - all that matter in the end is how willing you are to reach for perfection.
Do you want to become a better human being?
Are you willing to uphold yourself to higher standards and strive to become the shining beacon, the unreachable "paragon"?
Are you willing to strive for self-perfection, never stopping or reaching a point where you think "that's enough"?
If your answer to all three questions is "yes", then welcome to the club.
>>46772018
Justify True Neutral as anything besides "everyone is kind of right" or literally people who lack personalities and are hence incapable of creating them in a game.
>>46772018
Being a cunt will get you punched in the face.
>>46772460
Rand, please.
>>46772758
I wouldn't say that's so much "Good" vs. "Evil" (capital letters intended) so much as idealism vs. (apathetic) cynicism. Even then, it breaks down. Cynical characters can still be Good if they recognize that the world (or even themselves) won't be Good but don't want it to become worse, while idealistic characters can be Evil if their ideal is gravely harmful.
For example, a grizzled town guard may have seen the worst that humanity has to offer and feels humanity as a whole is neutral at best, but may still engage in good deeds to prevent others from falling further (or at least delaying it), which would be considered Good. By contrast, a wizard that considers lichdom the highest form of perfection (Phenomenal cosmic powers! Immortality! Exclamation points!) but sacrifice innumerable people to fuel the ritual would be considered Evil.
>>46772929
That's implying that there are multiple ideals.
There is only one true path, and that is humanity.
Not physical humanity, but rather moral humanity.
It doesn't matter whether your physical nature is changed, as long as your moral integrity is intact.
To empathize with fellow humans, but not to lower yourself to their level. To help them reach the same enlightenment you did, but not to force it on them.
Basically, it's about getting as much moral high ground as possible. Because once you are at the top, you are, well, basically, perfect in regards to morality.
>>46772018
Im more likley to survive working with people for our common good instead of beaing a asshole and backstabing everyone for my own benefit. The first is better in the long run.
>>46772191
You don't /thread your own post, faggot.
>>46772167
Thanks, anon; I just had to explain to my coworkers what I was laughing at.
>>46772018
>I wrote it down on my sheet and then acted that way in-character and you can't stop me from doing it at all.
There. Justified.
The benefits of it all being imaginary.
>>46772018
Its less of a pain in the ass than being Whatever Evil.
>>46772018
justify alignments.
>>46772460
>"survival of the fittest"
>"good isn't founded in any reasonable human behavior"
>he has only the most basic understanding of game theory
>he doesn't know how the Prisoner's Dilemma changes as soon as you add iterations beyond the first
>he's never heard of the Ultimatum Game
>he's never even heard of the Tragedy of the Commons, which is an economic idea so basic that you don't need to have ever heard of game theory to have heard of it
>>46772018
>Justify Good alignments.
they allow desirable communities (as in communities that are functioning AND that individuals want to live in and raise families in) to exist.
Gee that wasn't so hard.
It's almost as if you're a complete douche-bag grasping at straws to justify being a douche-bag.
>>46773027
>>46772191
/thread
>>46773004
The problem I see is "grading" morality within its own category, i.e. "How Good/Evil is a given good/evil act compared to other good/evil acts, assuming there can be any gradation between subsets of Good at all?"
>>46773004Are you the God-Emperor? 'cause that's the vibe I'm getting.
What's the point of striving for good morals when human sin and frailty will always undermine you?
>>46773210
There are no good or evil acts.
There are good and evil intents, first and foremost.
How the intent correlates with the act depends on the context of the situation - after all, there are good acts with ill intents and bad acts with good intents.
What matters the most is your desire for moral perfection - willingness to correct your mistakes, learn from them and try not to make them again.
>>46773361
>What's the point of trying if you will always fail?
>What's the point of living if you will always die?
>What's the point of creating something if it will always be destroyed?
The point is to reach for it as close as you can, dummy.
>>46773370
>there are no good or evil acts
>good acts with evil intents [and vice versa]
You might want to rephrase that bit.
>>46773481
You likely understand what I'm trying to convey, and that's all that matters to me.
>>46772150
That dogleg is uncomfortably muscled.
Something something lift, bro?
>>46773520
I'm not sure if I do. I'm on a phone right now so I'll post a more complete response once I get to my actual computer.
>>46772018
Well of course I can't. Not to you. This thread is full of people waxing poetic about how morals and Good make society and people better. Not that it matters to you or people like you. You'll just tell us we're unrealistic and irrational, or we cling to a naive and patently false worldview. You'll throw in that Kenshiro meme and call us moralfags.
Which is fine. Being Good isn't about being Right. I don't need to justify Good to you. Only to myself.
>>46772758
You are taking bait way too seriously, but nice post.
>>46772460
But anon, what if I help other people because I like it and it makes me feel good? What if by helping others they are inclined to help me in turn and we both get farther than either of us could on our own? What if helping others is the basis of human communities and relationships, which we need to survive and progress? What if you are in fact a colossal faggot?
>>46772460
>survival of the fittest
survival of the fittest is the reason why you are sitting at your computer and shitposting now. It's not about dicking others over, it's about survival. And together humans are the fittest.
3/10 got me to reply.
This thread is bait, but the responses made me happy anyway.
>>46772018
When you think about it, all humans are inherently selfish. By DnD's logic, it would be completely impossible for anyone to be good aligned.
>>46772018
DEUS VULT.
>>46772018
What game is this?
>>46772018
>>46774015
Judging from the art it's Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale
>>46773906
All humans are selfish, but all humans can also feel love.
>>46774050
Holy shit that man
>>46772018
did I fell into a wormhole of shitposting and end up on /v/?
Not saying because pic related is a video game, but because they have low tier baits like "You literally can't"
sage
>>46773906
By default any creature only lives for themselves and their own survival, but for some people aiding others is what pleases them and to them this is how they (as a collective) survive. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link.
>>46773520
Aaand I'm back.
I think the problem is that we're arguing from two different standpoints. I'm arguing from a loosely deontological standpoint, that alignment is determined by actions and that the alignment of the character can be determined from their actions. So while "bad people" can do good things and "good people" can do bad things, ultimately the good/bad things they do shape their alignment more than one's reasoning behind them or an inherent goodness/badness.
From what I'm gathering, your argument is more from a virtue ethics standpoint; that alignment is determined by the reasoning behind the action. So, if I'm not mistakenbut I probably am, what makes the deed good or not is determined by one's intent. What I'm failing to grasp is how one can determine another's intent without reading their--oh, Detect [Alignment]. Fuck.
So your argument makes more sense within a /tg/ framework (or at least a Dungeons and Dragons setting) since you can actually read minds and whatnot. Oh well.
>>46772018
>with great power comes great responsibility
>to help your fellow man is to be human, to be civilized. To do anything else leads to savagery.
Even if you go with Deaths out look on Justice, mercy, those kinds of things, you still need to believe in them to be human, to be where the falling angel meets the rising ape. Otherwise, what's the point?
>>46774232
>butchering your Pratchett quote
You're no friend of Justice.
>>46774293
I was going by memory and paraphrasing.
>>46772018
Fuck, I hate Nietzsche.
>>46774424
>I hate fags that interpret Nietzsche's amoral but anti-nihilistic philosophy as "herp good is bad and bad is good derp".
FTFY.
>>46774050
It's always great to see there are in fact good people out there.
>>46774211
You've pretty much answered your own question.
The only thing I'd like to accent is that good intents don't necessarily lead to "evil" acts and vice versa. Therefore, judging a person solely on his intent or solely on the act is not correct.
Only if you know information about the both (the outcome of the act and the reasoning behind the intent) you can judge a person for his worth.
>>46774774
Eh, fair enough.
Detect [Alignment] (and Smite [Alingment]) just face-fuck the whole argument, don't they?
>>46773361
Why are they all wearing full plate for a social event. Your picture is retarded
>>46774848
Only this board can be utterly shitty enough to speak ill of Excalibur.
>>46774638
With Nietzsche it happens the same thing as with Jesus.
The guy made sense, the fans are usually terrible.
akagifags
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>>46773650
>You'll throw in that Kenshiro meme and call us moralfags.
What fucking irony because /tg/ is the last board I would ever call moralfags for the sheer fact you cocksuckers literally despise every single hero in fiction because they're inferior to your Sir Fuckface the Valiant special snowflakes you came up with when you were playing tabletop garbage at age 13. /tg/ only has this arrogant self-congratulatory smug sense of do-good out of just sheer self importance and narcissism not because of any higher moral reasoning, I would sooner take one million Kenshiro's over any of your so speeshul greentext stories about that badass paladin you pretend you played.
>>46774044
Icewind Dale 2.
>>46772018
>Justify alignments
>you literally can't
FTFY
>>46774912
Then just go away and let us jerk off to our shitty Mary Sues already, jeeze.
>>46774912
Okay, but how do you really feel?
>>46774319
>I was going by memory
wow, that's below the belt, anon.
>>46774912
Anon, that's not even baiting anymore. That's literally just dumping a whole box of fishhooks in the water, unopened.
>>46775065
Didn't even mean it like that. The disease that killed Pratchett terrifies me. My grandmother passed away from it and it was horrifying. I would never joke about it.
>>46775122
Truth hurts huh?
>>46772835
I always figure True Neutral just refers to anyone who's main motivation is minding their own business. It's the default for most NPCs.
>>46772018
>Justify
>Good
Done.
>>46774864
Agreed
>>46772032
Basically this. To be honest alignments like chaotic evil, true neutral and chaotic neutral are much harder to justify because they make no sense in real life.
>>46775202
When I break down alignments, I usually describe True Neutral as "the world sucks but it's not my job to make it better".
>>46773132
^this
Being a selfish asshole all the time is exhausting. Contribute to your local community and enjoy the support they return, much lest exhausting.
>>46772018
I don't like being a bastard and it's what me grandmum would want.
>>46772018
I don't have to justify an ideal. Just embody it.
>>46775282
I would say most people are True Neutral. Apathy is very powerful.
>>46772325
You can make same argument for chaotic evil (evil for sake of evil) and especially chaotic neutral (chaos for sake of chaos) alignment. Arguably true neutral has no place in real human behavior too, but one could call nihilism a real life example.
>>46775344
Technically probably no, because true neutral would imply they don't care about anything. Most people are apathetic and nihilist to some extent, but I don't think I've ever met someone who I could call true neutral.
>>46775344
At the same time, when the shit goes down, you'll be surprised how many people stick their necks out to help a stranger.
>>46775282
Chaotic Neutral does make sense. They look out for number one. In real life, a Chaotic Neutral person is the asshole "friend" who convinces you do something you don't want to do then rolls over on you when you get burnt. But they also don't usually go out of their way to intentionally hurt people.
Most IRL people you could describe as CN are petty crooks and selfish liars.
Ok this comment =>>46775216 was me and I thought that was enough but apparently not.
>>46772018
>>46772032
>>46772325
>>46772416
>>46772460
You're either a troll or mentally ill.
Good is the goal of all people at some level. People who are 'good' wish to spread as much good as possible and therefore the Good alignments justify themselves.
>>46775417
That depends on if you think of "alignment" as an abstract statistic describing default positions, or a hard mechanic that defines every choice and thought the character experiences.
Most of the arguments and stupidity around Alignment come from assuming the latter. You don't need to track every time Stalin was kind to child to see if he was trending towards "good"
>>46775606
You make a good point but you misinterpreted the second one. The guy meant selfish people who refuse to help others are faggots.
>>46775535
>petty crooks and selfish liars
But wouldn't those people be neutral evil since they do that stuff for personal gain rather than to cause chaos. Still, I have heard of people who go demonstrations just for sake of protesting and gear up to cause chaos, also obviously internet trolls (real trolls I mean, not those trolling for some agenda) would be chaotic neutral.
>>46772018
Justify it in what way?
>>46775606
>You're either a troll or mentally ill.
Or just an amoral, exploitive asshole. They're not as rare as you might think, the successful ones just hide better, usually.
>>46775617
... Oh. I think he typed that out a little weird.
>>46775652
This is why I personally argue that it's about intent. The child street-thief doesn't steal because they're evil; they steal to live and to hell with the system that would prevent them from living. Chaotic Neutral.
>>46775652
There's a blurred line, and I definitely think Chaotic Neutral and Neutral Evil are very similar. But I've always rejected this notion Chaotic Neutral means spreading chaos. I always saw it as the survivalist alignment. You play by your own rules and look out for yourself because the world sucks and you know you're not gonna get help from anyone. In fiction, that makes you Han Solo. In Real Life, that makes you the guy who breaks into someone's garage and steals their bicycle to sell on Craigslist. It's really shitty, but you're not really hurting people.
>>46775749
You know I'd say Han Solo borders on being good (in the end he did the right thing and all that). I think my quintessential Chaotic Neutral character would be Mad Max. Though maybe not the newest iteration.
>>46775749
You make a good point, but imo Han Solo is obviously leaning more towards chaotic good.
>>46775809
Han is CN to the bone throughout the majority of the first movie. He only gets involved for the money, and when they're stuck on the Death Star his first instinct is to sit and pout waiting for Obi-wan to help them. Luke has to basically bribe him to get off his ass and Leia, and the guy fucks off the first chance he gets once they've accomplished that.
Of course, he does have his turnaround but that was after he got some growth.
Mal Reynolds is also pretty CN most of the time. But like Han he has his Good moments. But that's because both characters are well-written and therefore can't really be pegged as one specific alignment.
>>46774811
Pretty much, yes.
That said, it brings an interesting point.
For example, going by the "intent-act" "good-bad" alignment, we can identify some interesting archetypes of people:
- "good intent, good act": the "perfect person" who strives for being a better human being and is pretty much the example of being a Good person with a capital G.
- "bad intent, good act": the "necessary evil", his motives can be evil and/or selfish, but ultimately his existence can be tolerated.
- "good intent, bad act": the "misguided youth", as long as he is willing to learn from his mistakes, he can ultimately be redeemed.
- "bad intent, bad act": the "big bad", the only kind of person that truly deserves to be punished and labeled Evil with a capital E.
>>46775809
Mad Max in first one might fit, but second Mad Max seems to be more like chaotic good "mysterious stranger" character that is popular with westerns. I haven't seen newest one, so can't commend on that though.
I wonder what would real life examples of lawful good and chaotic evil? Maybe some very good cops or judges could fit first one, but chaotic evil seems to be bit harder. Few rare examples of serial killers like Ed Gein could fit maybe.
Both are obviously extremely rare in real life though.
>>46772018
Oddly enough, OP does have something of a point.
It's easy, to an extent, to get people to agree on what Evil is. It's a lot harder to get them to agree on what Good is.
>>46772835
>"I really don't have time for this."
>"My feet hurt."
>"I wish I was back home in bed."
>"Do you really think I care? I don't even care what happens to /me/, why would I care about these people?"
>"There is no way I'm risking my life fighting an unbeatable army just so I can feel good about it in my last breath. Don't rock the boat, kiddo."
>"I, uh, don't know anything about that. I know bread, though! Adventurers like bread, right?"
All True Neutral.
>>46776006
You hit the mark on Lawful Good. Cops and judges who do their jobs well and are genuinely good people even when they're not working are about as LG as you can get.
In terms of Chaotic Evil, I always felt school shooters fit the bill pretty well. Or at least their actions.
>>46776054
Good is indeed much more subjective than evil. We can pretty easily define evil as something that causes harm to someone, but good is harder to define since often an action that is good for someone might harm someone else, so is it good at all in the end?
>>46775885
>Mal Reynolds is also pretty CN most of the time. But like Han he has his Good moments. But that's because both characters are well-written and therefore can't really be pegged as one specific alignment.
Fireflyverse is more morally ambiguous than a typical D&D game, but I'd argue that Mal Reynolds is never not Good.
Jayne is CN. Evil tendencies, sure, but it's the lines he won't cross that keep him from being properly evil.
>>46776563
> but it's the lines he won't cross that keep him from being properly evil.
What lines are those? Not hurting Kaylee?
Mal is aggregate Good, but he does some really shitty things. Like hurling a bound, unarmed prisoner into an engine turbine.
>>46776563
>Jayne is CN
>literally selling out fellow party members
>not Evil
>>46772150
Why would a dog want to have sex with a human?
>>46776722
Why would a human want to have sex with a dog?
>>46776703
This. Jayne keeps himself inline, but that's mostly because he's afraid of Mal.
>>46776748
Because humans are intelligent enough to have degenerate fetishes.
>>46775898
Any reasonable character in a Grim Dark or Dystopian setting is going to trend towards Neutrality, if only to establish selfishness and brutality as necessary for survival.
However, when the narrative calls for it, Max takes the heroic action, which more than anything else is what defines "Good." That's as true for the Reluctant Hero as is for the Noble Bright one.
>>46776722
>>46776748
Because genetic engineering of doggirls for domestic ownership is taking way too long. Might as well try getting some the old fashioned way.
>>46776054
How is playing with a true neutral character fun then? Literally up there with murder hobos in pet peeves
>>46776646
Said prisoner was threatening to come back and kill him as soon as he was released. That's less an evil action and more assisted suicide.
>>46775463
I think it's generally easier to be good in person than to an abstraction
>>46776879
TN is unlikely to take lead of events, but narrative can still come from somebody else dragging them along or the character otherwise responding to outside influences.
>>46772144
/thread
>>46775284
that's pretty close to my definition of neutral good too. except it's "the world sucks, but i want to make it a little brighter"
>>46776921
It was pretty immoral. The guy got up, beat his chest, and Mal violently killed him to make a point. May have been pragmatic, but it certainly wasn't Good with a capital G. If some guy claiming to be Lawful Good did that in one of my games, I'd probably tell him to change his alignment.
Fortunately, Mal never claims to be Lawful Good.
>>46776879
Because sometimes it gets personal.
Sometimes the BBEG burns down your bakery. Sometimes he kills your dog.
You really, REALLY, just want to go home and live your quiet life - but some idiot got the idea to try and prevent that.
And when you're finally done with that, you know just where to retire. Let the heroes grow old fighting the good fight. You got your life back - go live it.
>>46776646
IIRC he also shot man before throwing him off the spaceship. In the very first episode, even.
>>46776993
But why would you shoot a man before throwing him off a spaceship?
>>46776993
That was a little bit different. The guy was holding a gun to someone's head. Kaylee's, I think. It's been a long while. I need to go back and rewatch it all.
>>46772416
>everyone dies the same
>thus, everyone is the same in life
I don't think that reasoning works all that well, mr. nihilist
>>46772018
what are you on, OP?
>>46776879
Being a bored npc isn't the only type of true neutral, just the most common.
>>46772460
>survival of the fittest
Why is it that ALL of these edgy fucks ALWAYS misunderstand what that means?
For people who say the average person is true neutral and not neutral good, I'll just point to every disaster ever. When shit hits the fan, the average joe steps up and will be seen doing stuff like digging people out of rubble after 9/11 or taking a boat through flooded New Orleans.
>>46777114
>that pic
Been a long fucking time since I've seen one of those.
>>46772416
>everyone dies the same
some people go with a bang, some go with a whimper
>>46777127
Because they're dumb and like to pretend they're the fittest instead of sad useless sacks.
>>46776981
Mal's pretty much the embodiment of chaotic good. But if someone's threatening to kill you, and clearly intends to follow through, it's not evil to execute them instead of untying their hands and offering them a second shot.
>>46777141
>1
>11
>11
>....
Oh you son of a bitch.
>>46776778
>humans are intelligent enough to have degenerate fetishes
This is literally the best shit I have read all week.
Thanks, anon.
>>46774912
>literally every time someone talks about their character, other anons completely rip them apart and call them edgy/marysue/thatguy/lawfulstupid/whateverfuckingbuzzwordyouwant
>often has long-ass threads completely derailed to talk about characters from whatever media
>>46777185
It's so fucking sad really
They love to think them so superior with their "intelligence" (often only slightly above average and completely gone to waste thanks to making WIS a dumpstat irl), but then completely miss the point about how humans are a social species.
>>46772460
>autstic board gamers
>thinking they know anything about morality
I would say: go read a fucking book,
but I know you would only pick up some arcana or codex.
>>46777295
Well, to be honest usually edginess is just a phase of growing up. You can't expect wisdom from teenagers.
>>46777295
>IRL dump stats
>tfw CON is my dump stat
>tfw apparently have at least 14 CHA because otherwise I would've been bullied hard as a kid
I don't even know how to feel anon.
>>46776563
>Fireflyverse is more morally ambiguous than a typical D&D game
Not really. It claims to be, but the government is never shown as anything but authoritarian evil assholes, that do evil experiments left and right.
>>46777479
>thinking not being bullied means you have above average charisma
Most people aren't bullie.
>>46777479
Did you ever roll to seduce the teacher?
>>46777195
The only way you can really call it Good is if you qualify it as Cowboy Good. Which is to say Good by virtue of not really being Evil. Sort of like how Han iced Greedo (seriously Lucas, Han shot first). It was pretty damn ruthless, but there was a logic behind it which amounted to more than just douchey-ness.
>>46777479
My physics teacher molested my leg while explaining to me how rainbows work in highschool.
When I walked out of that room, I knew more about rainbows than I wanted.
>>46777511
Only one ever disliked me and she hated everyone, does that count?
On an unrelated note, since the topic is vaguely about Good alignments - what things do we consider Good in general that an entirely-carnivorous species (or even a mostly-carnivorous-due-to-lack-of-good-crops one) wouldn't see as Good, or would even see as Evil?
>>46777479
Kid bullies look for weak STR mostly not CHA. Adult bullies look for weak CHA and INT.
>>46777496
To be fair we rarely see anything about the Alliance outside of their law enforcement and covert science divisions. The former is antagonistic mostly because the protagonists are criminals. The latter is undeniably shitty, but you get the sense even most of the government isn't even aware that happens. The Alliance is overall pretty authoritarian, but it's not really the Reich either.
It's not like the Empire in Star Wars, which blows up a planet just to tell everyone they can.
>>46772460
Altruism is a very effective survival tactic for a social species.
>>46777141
>mfw I had this in my reactions folder for over a year and I didn't notice until now
>>46772150
That's clearly Chaotic Stupid.
>>46777993
Don't worry anon, it's one of the more subtle ones you'll find. Especially since it hides itself in a valid reaction image.
>>46778068
I don't get it, what is l ll ll L?
>>46778208
In roman numerals you have
A = 1, B = 2, C = 2, C = 50.
12250 however is not a valid roman number
but
I II II L is 53.
That's all I know.
>>46778208
You don't know? That's okay, I love explaining it because it's one of my favorite internet gags.
There's this video game webcomic called "Ctrl-Alt-Del" by a guy named Tim Buckley. People generally hate it, because it's unfunny, boring, and every single character has the same stupid expression. Imagine Penny Arcade with bad art and no humor.
There's a particularly infamous strip called "Loss" where the protagonist (Buckley's self-insert) rushes to the hospital to find his pregnant fiance/wife had a miscarriage. It was done to add some seriousness to what was originally a very shallow, light-hearted comic. The tonal shift was so fucking jarring the Internet was more amused and baffled than saddened, and immediately started riffing on it.
The I Ii II I_ pattern is the basic positioning of the four characters in the strip--Buckley, the Receptionist, the Doctor, and the wife. Ever since, the internet loves making cryptic references, which range between lines, screen caps of other media characters in similar positions, musical notes, and even the strip's color palette.
>>46772018
>>46772018
Alignments are illogical and stupid as fuck. They also encourage shitty gaming and are made possible by a shitty game.
>>46772121
This
>>46778605
This!
There's a reason why most RPGs don't use alignment in their games.
>>46778477
Jesus fucking christ, thanks for reminding me why I hate analysing literature. It's all a stupid fucking game of hide or seek for the intellectually bored.
>>46778477
Why'd he do that again?
>>46778678
Cheap drama in hopes of attracting more attention,
and hey, it kind of worked.
>>46778605
>>46778646
oh, hi OP, posting in your own thread again?
>>46778477
I am familiar with that retarded comic, but I didn't know about this meme. Now I do and that's... good?
>>46772018
That's only because nobody is actually Good. Just by virtue of living, you're depriving someone else of resources they need to survive. Doing so is an Evil act.
>>46778731
I don't think it led to anyone reading his terrible, irrelevant comic.
>>46778765
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a samefag
Pathetic.
>>46778772
You're closer to become one of us, grow a bond with this place. Whether that's good is up to debate. I would say it really isn't, but maybe that's just because I've been here too long.run, get away while you still can, be free
>>46778678
Pointless drama to gain attention and fame for being super serious.
>>46778819
it lead to more people knowing it exists, such as the guy we just explained for in this thread
>>46778772
It means you're a little more knowledgeable. Whether you find the meme funny or not is on you, so I guess it's for you to judge if it's a good thing.
To think I could be sailing in the Black Isles instead of here
>>46772167
>>46774424
If he were to be resurrected Nietzsche would be at the fore of any movement against the people who preach Nietzsche.
>>46776006
There are Chaotic Evil examples but much like stories chaotic evil people don't last long. The other issue is that people conflate rulemakers with lawful. I would say Pol Pot would be a good example of a CE BBEG. The guy was completely batshit insane.
>>46778477
>spoonfeeding
>>46779197
Welcome to /tg/. We like sharing our interests and hobbies with people instead of trying to hoard them like autistic dragons.
>>46779276
What alignment would an autistic joke hoarding dragon be?
>>46772167
>>46778678
He didn't want to do what he was doing. He writes a gaming soap opera webcomic which alternates between metagame comics, comics about games and his characters generally living in a sit-com. Then for some reason he wanted to do drama/soap opera. So he drops Loss. On top of that he stops all the metagaming comics and gaming comics and went for almost full on drama. He wasn't well liked before that, he is the /v/ version of order of the stick (verbose and needless comic panels were "edited" by /v/ threads).
>>46772416
One of the only even slightly insightful things to come out of Red Dead Redemption was something Marston said in a sidequest. "We die alone, but we live together." Something along those lines. Point being that yeah, everyone does die the same (alone) but we have to live with other humans for at least part of our life, so why be shitty?
>>46772460
Pic related. You've won the thread anon. You really crafted some masterful bait there, and I applaud you for your success.
>>46779554
What... is up with this guy's eyes?
>>46779197
Sorry if I take pleasure in helping someone discover something new. I guess I'm just a bad web citizen for not calling him a newfag and telling him to fuck off.
On the subject of tabletops, any system where moral alignment has significant mechanical effects is a shit system.
Detect [alignment] is a really awful bit of design.
>>46779656
He's angry, angry about heretics.
>>46779656
He is filled with the love of God and the hate of sinners in equal measure.
>>46779675
Yes. You are.
The LAST thing gaming needs is new players.
>>46779814
jack chick, pls go
>>46777196
>>46777141
Could somebody explain?
>>46779949
Never mind, I got it.
Also, this isn't maymaybase.
>>46774882
And also they've usually not properly read their source material
>>46775535
Chaotic Neutral can also be the flakey unreliable guy. He'll borrow money or items and then never quite get around to paying you back fully, but he'll do it just often enough that he doesn't get completely written off. He's the guy who makes plans and then bails at the last minute to go do something else. Some days he's great fun to be around. others not so much
>>46772506
Hey, I'm an ancap and even I think what that guys said is retarded.
That dude doesn't represent us lolbertarians, he repersents fedoras.
>>46779982
Can you explain it?
>>46778772
You have clearly never been to a /v/lolthread, the highlight of such refined meme culture.
Oh well, your loss:^)
>>46779335
Chaotic Stupid
>>46772325
>implying
>>46772416
>being stabbed to death is the same as cancer
WOOOOOOOOOW
>>46772460
>tips fedora
>gets cucked by Ayn Rand
>dies on Social Security
>>46772325
t. Archer
>>46772018
Align Good justifications.
Literally can't you.
>>46772018
Goodness justifies itself
>>46772018
>>46772443
Where the fuck *would* Stirner come in the alignment system?
>>46772460
Reread Stirner, assuming you're >>46772443.
>>46773361
Because a rising ape may rise higher, and a fallen angel may be redeemed.
>>46773119
underrated post
>>46773361
Because I can.
>>46779708
Insert his face in here
>>46780863
Are you at aloss?
>>46772758
>>46774211
>What I'm failing to grasp is how one can determine another's intent without reading their--oh, Detect [Alignment]. Fuck.
Reminder that RAW in D&D, Detect Evil doesn't ping on the asshole innkeep overcharging his customers because he knows there are no other inns in the area. Or even the cunning and devious Level 4 Aristocrat vizier planning to depose the king through mundane means. In order for your aura to be strong enough to ping on Detect Evil, you have to be an outsider who is naturally of the detected Alignment, an undead, at least 5 HD, or a cleric of an evil deity.
>>46772552
What you are saying is literally true. Everyone has morals. I have morals.
But you can take your ethics and shove them up your ass. I decide what I think.
>>46772553
>I view it as just an innate truth, a basic obligation. Just as every man and woman has certain inalienable rights, every man and woman also has certain fundamental responsibilities.
>Blind faith
Good to know your atheism means absolutely nothing.
>>46772758
Interesting example of a True Neutral philosophy that you can still impose on others.
>>46794614
>True Neutral
You mean Lawful Neutral.
The path of self-control and upholding yourself to higher standards is literally the definition of Lawful Neutral.
>>46778789
Ow, I got cut by how edgy that post was! You should be more careful.
