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>>46708541
>Torn between Menoth and Khador, which one should I pick? pls don't let me pick 4 factions like I did with 40k
Menoth.
>>46708585
ty senpai, that's the way I was leaning.
>>46708601
Go Menoth, it's one of the owners favorite faction and it's going to be OP as fuck
>>46708541
menoth hands down.
friends don't let friends play khador
>>46708635
>not entering Age of Cygnar with Cygnar
Anon, pls.
I can't wait for Mark 3 to invalidate all my purchases.
Khador is trash.
>>46708541
I am having the same problem so I decided to read the Rites of Passage novel to somewhat get a feel of the factions, it has a shortstory about a warcaster of every faction in it.
>>46708758
Sell now, while some people still believe the game balance won't go upside down completely.
>>46708812
>some people still believe the game balance won't go upside down completely.
>>46708812
>>46708863
B-but... I came to this game because I thought it was balanced?
>>46708758
I think Mk3 will follow the balancing of individual units of High Command
Trenchers will be top dog. Carniveans will be whatever
>>46708892
It is, and chances are it will be after the change too. It's just gonna be different kind of balance.
So, your predictions on how Khador will be further fucked?
>ranged troops are all removed
>manowars are unchanged
>all khador jacks are manowars now
>>46708892
>Balanced
>>46708923
>"we want people to buy more Man-o-wars"
>the entire Khador army is now Man-o-wars
>Games against Khador now consist of their whole army blowing up before even getting in charge range
I honestly wonder if mk3 will make my assault kommandos actually viable. I've had these fuckers since mk1.
>>46709026
I asked the same question in the official forums. The response by some kid was "they are viable, you just need to run them in a specific list."
No. I fucking hate hearing that something is viable due to one theme list, or if you bring 20-30 points to support it.
>>46709053
In the Circle forums, we also had someone claiming that Brennos was worth 9 points in the current system, because each of his abilities increases his cost based on an already-overcosted base version (Shadowhorn Satyr). He then claimed that all you need to make Brennos viable is to build half your army to support him.
The fuck?
>>46708892
All factions are balanced. Some factions are just more balanced than the others.
>>46709053
I mean, they've had a niche as infantry fuckers from the get-go. They just need an extra kick, since the alternative choices are god damn Iron Fangs and Winter Guard.
Officer attachment when.
>>46709026
My friend bought them expressly to counter my Gaspy
>>46708748
The Firefly replacing the Charger in the battlebox has me thinking- is fluff progression being taken into account in things?
Because under powerup Chargers are better than ever, you'd think. The more the better. The Firefly's claim to fame is that it is the new model on the same chassis being phased in on account of Nemo's "electric army" initiative. Are Chargers being phased out?
>>46709331
All I know is based on the Maddox fluff it looks like the Firefly gun will now leap D3 times instead of once.
>>46709331
>Are Chargers being phased out?
Yes. PP ran a poll about a year ago about peoples' favorite models.
The top 3 from each faction are being nerfed into nothingness.
>>46708758
So, I'm Thinking of starting the game come MKIII due to Warhammer being kinda shitty and too costly. I've got it down to either CoC or Menoth. going by current rules, are either considered underpowered? I just really like the Warjacks and from what I understand those are the Jack factions.
>>46709634
Yes, they are the jack factions right now, but Mk3 seems to be a step toward an overall increase in jack viability in the game as a whole. Also, we have no idea how balance and power and playstyle will be impacted come the new edition.
If you're judging your choices based solely on gameplay, I'd seriously suggest seeing how things shake out when the new edition hits.
>>46709634
CoC has limited modelchoice and as a minor faction they are not guaranteed new releases, though stuff they have is generally considered good to great.
>>46709718
Well, I really like the looks of both though I also really like the looks of Cryx but as them being more infantry based and less Jacks I kind of looked less at them. considering the game is moving more towards Jacks everywhere I might wait and see whats happens to them. Thanks for the information!
>>46709087
To be fair eKromac almost makes brennos viable with his feat, he's a monster with that + primal
>>46709667
Just throw up casual def 18 warp wolves on the advance while giving them pathfinder
>>46709698
So he's butcher that loves junior warcasters, arcane shield and something to keep him from being knocked down. I appreciate the 8 attacks on feat turn thing
>>46708892
The game was never balanced. It just had a semblance of balance on Steamroller.
>>46708936
This guy knows.
I'm hoping ranged gets battered to hell.
>>46708758
The only way your purchases would be invalidated would be if you are a cunt and only played theme forces or only owned 50 pts S-tier bullshit.
The former is your cheesy fault, the latter is also your fault for not diversifying and netdecking.
Stuff that was too good is getting toned down. If you only own stuff that was 2gud then you are fucked but you brought it upon yourself.
I think I'll use mk 3 to start a new faction.
I have a ton of khador and skorne, a good amount of Rhul, a 50 point Shae tier list, enough cyriss to do a 35 point synth list.
I was thinking gators, menoth, or trolls. Thanks to my skorne I have a unit of gators and croak raiders to start me off with. I might just expand my rhul or cyriss though.
>>46710283
I've got a lot of Legion models that suck absolute arse in MKII, all that unplayed pewter begs to be played.
However I also have a big ole box of Cyriss that needs cleaning and painting....and playing.
>>46709053
It was less that and more just with certain casters.
You wanted them with Vlad because he fixed their hitting and damage problems, for example.
ADR was really good for them as well. A full unit and 2 WAs was the same cost as a IFP unit + UA, and if your opponent was bringing their anti IFP tech in the form of fire/Corro, then they slotted in just fine. Even better, a lot of the support models for IFP work for the AKs as well.
>>46709634
Both could be considered "B" or "B+" tier under the current rules.
CoC is a limited release faction which means they don't get new releases as regularly as the other factions.
>>46710611
Granted this is a B+ in a grading system that includes S and S+ options.
What that translates to is occasional swearing and hopelessness.
... But that's pretty much everyone not in the S class.
>>46708585
Menoth, just because every Khador player I've seen is a total autist and a cunt to play against.
>>46710937
CoC is more than capable of putting up wins at even big events. It has some incredibly good lists right now.
>>46710937
Where the fuck are you even getting these tier lists from?
>>46711474
Tier 4 Axis, lucant and Syntherion is terrifying. CoC are pretty close to if not top tier. Despite their low model count.
>>46709634
The only thing underpowered right now is the Thronfall Alliance Subfaction.
New faction decks.
It is know that Merc/Minions won't be in other faction decks. I play Trollbloods and I'm using Merc/Minions sometimes. Will Nyss Hunters be in Mercenaries deck, Minions deck or both? They are both Minions and Mercenaries but....
NERF EHALEY
NERF STORMWALL
REMOVE CYGNAR
>>46711908
The Llaelese restistance conquers Cygnar.
You heard it here first.
>>46712232
Julian ends up as King.
Given the description of the new book, it's all but given.
My question is, what happens to Leto? Does he die? One of the big worries of Caine and his boss is that Leto would willingly give up the throne, so it's entirely possible he does just that. What happens to him then?
>>46712258
How I see it....
Vinter wins and grabs the throne, Julius overthrow him, Leto die either at the beginning or at the end sacrificing his life for Cygnar.
Also Magnus was right.
>>46711796
Pigs beg to differ.
>>46711866
That's a good thing. It just wasted card space in the decks. They're likely to be in both, as will any Merc model that can be taken by a Hordes faction.
>>46712830
>Pigs beg to differ.
Are you saying pigs aren't underpowered or do you not know that Thornfall Alliance is the official name for the pigs?
>>46712891
>Retribution
>fury
>gorilla warfare
5th faction as gorillas confirmed.
>>46712830
>They're likely to be in both, as will any Merc model that can be taken by a Hordes faction.
I hope so. Buying 2 decks to make all models in my army playable looks much better than buying 3 decks.
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>>46713232
>>46713256
Pic of what it's like to post on 4chan.
>>46713520
>Pic of what it's like to post on 4chan.
At least on 4chan you get some enjoyment or amusement out of it.
>>46713563
Did I imply otherwise? Look at how happy that goddamn cat is. Look at it!
>>46713232
>>46713256
Your thread is that way >>46712177
How do I get someone to sop blaming dice when I outplay them with superior strategies and game knowledge? It's kind of annoying.
>>46714014
Write down every die roll you make, and every one he makes.
After you're done with a game, compute the averages.
Do this over and over to show him that you're not rolling any better than he is.
>>46714014
Tell them to grow up, then smash their plastic toy soldiers.
Generally, though, resolution comes from bringing up that it's a problem. Tell the players that do that, and if they keep it up, don't play with them. Nobody enjoys playing with manchildren.
>>46709829
yeah waiting's probably the best choice if there isn't one you want for looks/lore
>>46714035
That assumes all dice rolls are equal in weight. The roll that makes a beast frenzy or that finishes off the last model in a unit under pMakeda's feat has an awful lot more weight behind it than infantry v infantry.
>>46715388
You're looking for a large pool, like, 10-15 games.
I mean, there's no cure for the idiots who subscribe to the belief that because certain die rolls are more important their results change.
>>46709053
That's a legitimate argument if it's actually TRUE. Not everything can be S-tier tourney viable in a vacuum, which is what people mean when they say "viable".
That may be true for AKs if you're an optimist or have a specific fire/corrosion heavy meta you're looking to bust, it certainly isn't for something like Brennos or Meme-o-Wars.
>>46712258
Probably this >>46712660, though I'm really hoping Leto just dies like a bitch and the entire novel is a 500-page essay on how right Magnus has been for the entire story of Warmachine.
>>46714014
You can't win every game, sometimes the dice WILL fuck you. They'll also fuck your opponent just as often, given enough games. So you can't worry about losing one specific game because of dice, you'll never have a 100% win-rate no matter how good you are unless you develop magical causality powers so you can shunt your bad luck away from important rolls.
What separates the good players from the bad is their ability to insulate their gameplan from bad dice, and their ability to formulate a new plan when their old plan goes to shit because they couldn't roll above a 5 on 3d6 twice in a row, because that happens to everyone sometimes.
>>46714014
You create or purchase a Dice Plate (easy as hell, buy a square frame, and some nice thick cloth, glue that shit tight on the back piece, and seal it in the frame, and for god same, throw away the glass!).
Get a set of Casino dice of eBay, and while you play, you wont allow any dice rolled outside the plate to "count" toward your game, and any roll made must be made with the same set of dice.
This will give you both a fair chance to roll good and bad rolls, with a good enough standard for just about any tournament games. If he complains about this, tell him that you can roll his rolls from now on if he wishes, finish of by calling him a bitch.
>>46715772
>>46715960
The problem is I've mostly proven it's not my dice (by using his) and now he's decided to go all superstitious and say that I just roll well. It's demoralizing that my actual skill at the game is not being acknowledged.
>>46709053
I've often wondered about taking them wiith a Fury or Battle Lust caster because of them having two melee attacks. Only other infantry that can say that are demo corps and great bears.
>>46716181
Bitch niggas gonna bitch nig, anon. Part of the game, unless you're gonna go so far as to have him roll all the dice in the game.
Marry Sex Kill Iron Kingdoms style!
Marry
>Ashlynn
Sex
>Sorscha
Kill
>Haley
>>46716364
>Marry
The Empress
>Sex
The Empress
>Kill
The Empress' enemies.
>>46708559
On a different note, can we drop Lexicanum and switch over to Wikia?
Nobody on the Lexicanum page ever resonds to registration requests and nobody has updated it since August. I would rather have a wiki page which anyone can update than one which no one can update.
http://ironkingdoms.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
>No Man Left Beind
>Female Warcaster subjected to interrogation and just plain torture in the past.
Besides that, I find it a bit funny that the thread on the Privateer forums is all about what can be gleaned about MK3 from the story, not the actual story itself or the new warcaster.
>>46716635
To be honest, I am legitimately looking forward to the new book and future novels.
I just really hope this means there will be an increase in novel/novella production and that we will get a wider showcase of characters in the books.
I really want to read stories about the guys who don't show up a whole ton. The best way to get me to like any of the warcasters is to give them personalities.
>>46716635
I mean, as stories go, what do you talk about?
It's dime a dozen fiction, with absolutely nothing interesting or original about it.
The only thing TO talk about is the MK3 stuff.
>>46716635
The story is pretty simple...
A soldier got killed or captured by Protectorate, Maddox used to be imprisoned by Protectorate and wants to free him, the go in, killed some TFG, destroyed some jacks and freed the guy. The end. 6 pages.
It's nothing deep, no world building or important things happening, the only stuff that we can learn are Maddox's spells and abilities.
>>46716181
Again, show that you actually takes him serious, get a dice plate and some laser cut rescission dice that you both share during the games. If he still nags about it, even after you have gone through such lengths to make it a more "fair" game for the both of you, call him the bitch that he is and say you really don't like his negative attitude (Hell, you can basically just read him the game slogan "Grow a pair will ya!").
We use a dice plate, and casino dice, it brings the game to a more fair standard. You don't need to worry about cocked dice as much, and you know both you and your opponent rolls the same dice set. It just feels better.
>>46716808
>I just really hope this means there will be an increase in novel/novella production and that we will get a wider showcase of characters in the books.
Can we get more Hordes stuff, pls?
Warmachine section on SIX page: 14 entries
Hordes section on SIX page: 2 entries
>>46717053
Agreed.
I for one really want a Naaresh novel detailing where he went after his introduction.
Also, pretty much any one of the Troll or Circle casters are ripe for exploration. Grimm in particular seems to have a colorful history and a lot of stories he could tell.
The adventures of buddy druids Kaya and Grayle would also be pretty sweet.
Legion is a bit tougher but Lylyth and the Twins seem like they have a lot going on they could tell stories about. Ditto on Bethayne.
Call me PP.
>>46716808
It definitely could be nice. At the very least it would seem to benefit WMH as a character driven game more than what is currently available.
Detaching the story from having to match the release schedule of rules will probably be good too.
>>46716871
>>46716898
Could have talked about Maddox a bit more.
I guess honestly I just found it funny because it fit the stereotype that if you're interested in WMH you don't give a damn about stuff like lore.
I'll admit, I do kind of like how in the lore you can usually see something being done and tie it back to something within the game.
>>46716898
I'm really not that interested in "world building" in the WMH fluff. I like seeing the characters actually.
The world itself is pretty cool IMO but I want to see these characters that the game has built up interacting in that world.
I am kind of interested in their personalities and seeing them clash, not just in battles but just as people.
Some of the best parts of the fluff in the books has been stuff like the Sloan and Khadoran sniper story where it's mostly just characters interacting. I still love the Convergence/Nemo novel because you get to see a lot of character in Nemo and his relationships with the people around himself.
The battle descriptions are just stone boring IMO.
>>46717394
The world building seems like it would be best left to and better accomplished via IKRPG.
I'm excited to at least try the new edition. More than anything I'm intensely curious about the newness of it all. Even if I don't end up playing it it'll be neat to see the changes.
>>46717428
Precisely. That way they can just sort of "top down" describe the world that characters are meant to be a part of.
>>46717216
The obvious one for me was Madrak. He's pretty much the main hero in Trollbloods and the story about him picking up Rathrok is something that's missing.
>>46717507
It would make a good short story.
Madrak has had a decent amount of focus in the fluff though.
I would actually like to see something like Gunnbjorns time in the Cygnaran army and his eventual decision to leave and help his kin.
Age of Cygnar
What I really really don't like is when a story about the game, not the stuff that's happening in a world that the game is set in, like....
CasterA charges, casts X and Y, then he's out of focus, his army kills this and that then it's enemy's turn and they killed something else and missed a shot there, then in our turn CasterA decided to upkeep one spell...
I don't like that.
I prefer when everything feels more alive and real-time and less "can't do that because of game rules"
>>46717702
What story did you read that felt fucked by game rules like that?
>>46717702
Sounds like you should try on Infinity and drop the Warmahordes act.
>>46717497
I do like that PP put their RPG roots to use in this regard since a lot of the stuff you'd find in an RPG book doesn't really fit into a novel or rule books.
>>46717702
This to me is the possible downside of incorporating game stuff into the actual story, the author allowing such a thing to restrict what can happen.
>>46717394
which book is the sloan/sniper story? Im interested.
The trouble is that a lot of the really good PP writing is really scattered. There is good stuff in the Forces books, but there is also really good stuff in various NQ issues or Leagues. Oftentimes you can find a WMH themed story that doesn't feature any of the tabletop characters and its really good, but it's in some 3-4 year old league fiction pdf buried somewhere on the net.
>>46717969
Vengeance. Sloan and some trencher commandos are teamed with a bunch of widowmakers to track Cryxians.
>>46718123
That reminds me, there's a thread on the forums that has all the rules, cards and stories for every league going back to the beginning. I can't remember where the hell it is though, glad I downloaded all the stories at least.
So when is someone going to break into a warehouse and steal a copy of Prime Mk 3
Has 4chan gotten lazy over the years
>>46718390
Yes. We're all old, tired and broken now.
GET OFF MY LAWN.
>>46716364
>Marry
Kara Sloan
>Sex
KaelyssaHer hair is colored so she's likely to be a freak in the sheets
>Kill
Morvanha
>>46718673
>Her hair is colored so she's likely to be a freak in the sheets
Funny way of saying she's a lesbian, but I guess all lesbians are freaks, so it's okay.
so how hype are you for bane knight attachment after the recent spoil rule about flag bearers?
Pic related they din't have the paperclip prior to the latest patch and my original amry would not come up with error statting it had units that were not part of the faction.
>>46716364
Marry
>The Old Witch
Sex
>Nuala
Kill
>Makeda
>>46719532
>Kill
>Makeda
Good luck.
>>46716364
Marry
Achidoma Makeda
Sex
Haley (she can summon her jailbait and milf self for an insane 3 way)
Kill
Morvana (fuck kill that goat riding bitch)
>>46719254
I mean, I doubt Cryx would get the benefit. They weren't using the old Standard Bearer rules anyways.
>>46719576
>Kill
>Anyone in the entire Warmachine/Hordes Universe
Good luck.
>>46719580
Haley 3 ain't canon.
>>46719580
But imaging the crazy threesome with Morvahna and Nuala!
>>46719614
>But imaging the crazy threesome with Morvahna and Nuala!
no way i'm in the haley3 camp but i would also consider saeryn and rhyas combo as well... You know .. that part where she sucks the poison out of her sister's thigh .. yea that's hot.
what were we talking about again?
>>46716364
>Marry
Mortenebra
>Sex
EgregoreNo, I don't mean coven.
>Kill
Skarre
>>46719641
How about the threesome with Cassius and Wurmwood? The way Wurmwood wraps its roots around and into Cassius... Its roots pulsing, going ever deeper... The sap, oozing out of his orifices...
>>46716364
Marry
>Makeda
Sex
>Makeda
Kill
>Dirty Knife Ears
>>46719532
>Kill Makeda
Anon, we're talking about someone who fought Vinter to a standstill. One does not simply kill the Supreme Archdomina.
>>46708635
Acting as if Matt Wilson does not have the biggest boner for Hailey and Cygnar.
>Marry
Issyria
>Sex
Rasheth
>Kill
Morv
>>46720205
>Issyria
I, too, love girls that can't fight back.
>>46716364
Marry
>Gaspy
>fug
>Venethrax
>kill
Haley
So, are Cryx actually a realistic faction lorewise? I only know scraps about them, but from what I gathered they sound like a drow kind of "we stab each other all the time and there's no reason we don't go extinct" kind of faction
>>46720782
They're all a bunch of backstabbing dicks, but they're held together by the will of an immortal draconic god king. They'll fuck each other over for personal gain, but they know not to do anything that would impede Cryx's overarching goals or missions since that will bring everyone else down on top of you including the aforementioned immortal draconic god king. It also helps that many if not most of them are truly loyal to said immortal draconic god king.
>>46720840
Yea, I think a big thing people forget is that almost all of the Lich Lords are completely loyal towards Toruk, they just hate each other.
Several of the Lich Lords and most everyone below that regard Toruk as a god, and if I remember right, his clerics can pray for spells, so the truth is a little muddy on that end.
>>46720782
It also helps that the dead far outnumber the living in Cryx, so the whole political backstabbing aspect pretty much only occurs at the top. Most of the population of Cryx are bound to servitude and generally incapable of treason of any sort.
>>46720957
Is there honestly an appreciable difference between Toruk and a god?
>>46720782
Well, the overall fluff for Cryx is this:
Toruk is the original dragon in IK, and was once immeasurably powerful. However, he was incredibly vain, and wanted servants to worship him, so he split his athlanc in order so sire children to fawn over him.
Turns out that if a dickass dragon has kids they turn into dickass dragons as well, and Torruk had a bunch of other dragons who had no interest in listening to him, and every interest in killing him. So he starts killing them, since he was smart enough to stay the strongest of them, but they eventually band together and drive him off.
Toruk can no longer risk openly hunting his spawn, because while he can kill any one of them, he can't take all of them at once. And all the other dragons want nothing more than to kill and eat each other, same as their dad, but they can't risk doing it because Toruk and the other dragons will take advantage of it and kill them.
So Toruk hits upon the idea of creating an empire for himself, made out of intelligent undead. The empire itself means little to him in and of itself, but he's playing the long game, seeing it grow and prosper so that it will become powerful enough to root out and destroy the dragons without him having to personally expose himself.
And that's the Nightmare empire. Toruk promises power and immortality in return for helping him hunt his spawn, a project that is expected to take centuries, if not longer. And so long as they move towards that goal, what happens in the meantime is of little concern of him. The fighting Cyngar, Khador, and the other factions means less than shit to Toruk, so long as it doesn't fuck his other plans up. Same with all the backstabbing, he could care less who's in charge, so long as they serve him. And sabotage of the various warfronts and projects also means little, since it has nothing to do with the end goal.
>>46721088
Toruk can act on the world directly far more than Menoth or the twins can.
>>46721088
Toruk isn't omniscient, he's just all powerful.
REVISED!
Marry
>Toruk
>>46721088
To expand further, it's suggested that Toruk is weaker than Menoth or even perhaps the Twins are, but he's actually capable of exerting that power.
How far apart they are is one hell of a question though. Nobody knows for sure where exactly Toruk comes from, but the leading theory(That Toruk and Menoth were born out of the Wurm raping Dhauina) means they're a lot closer than you'd at first believe.
>>46721183
How big is the Nightmare Empire compared to Cygnar? I never cared to read any of the fluff.
>>46721183
>the leading theory(That Toruk and Menoth were born out of the Wurm raping Dhauina) means they're a lot closer than you'd at first believe.
That's the Dhunian version of events. They believe that everything is descended from Dhunia and the Wurm. However, that is implied not to be the case with Toruk since dragons by their very existence (i.e. dragonblight) seem to be inherently opposed to the natural order of the world, corrupting and irreversibly twisting it just by their mere presence. It's believed by the Circle Orboros that whatever Toruk is, he is something truly alien to Caen.
>>46719254
I missed it, what's the rule for standard bearers now?
>>46721270
+2 cmd if within 5 inches of the officer
>>46721270
They add +2 to Command (+2" unit cohesion). And some (at least the Striders so far) also make it so that cohesion includes distance from the standard bearer, not just the commander.
>>46721237
Cryx encompasses the Scharde Islands, though the exact density of habitation varies greatly from island to island with some of them being all but uninhabited.
In any case, Cryx has a very large military and industrial base that it's been building for centuries with the help of a vast undead workforce.
>>46721310
So... 1/3 the size of Cygnar?
>>46721291
Don't forget, Kriel Warriors and the Trolls with longswords who I can't remember right now are getting Granted:Reform instead of In Step now as well, which is pretty amazing.
>>46721345
>>46721291
>And some (at least the Striders so far)
The Strider is a Musician, not a Standard Bearer.
>>46721387
I've played eMorv's tier list quite a few times (All Tharn, all female Tharn get reform or some shit like that). With infantry spam, Reform becomes very difficult to make matter, but it's still a good bonus. Hopefully it becomes even better if warbeasts become a bigger thing (which I really, really hope they do).
>>46721413
Fuck your shit.
>>46721545
The difference is that most units with reform currently use it to move into and out of threat ranges, which makes it harder to use.
Kriel Warriors, though, can just charge a front line, kill their targets, and just reform foward for scenario gain and to prevent enemy charges in return. Far easier to use that way.
>>46721290
>>46721291
Ah, was wondering what was going to happen to them, since they said they were removing a lot of the psychology stuff.
>>46721391
wrong map anon
>>46721655
kek
>>46721584
Oh, fuck, reform. I thought it was redeploy. Fuck, reform will be great, disregard my post.
>>46721655
We have no desire over the noble lands of Rhul or Ios we merely with to return to our original Khardic Empire borders before the Caspians backstabbed us.
>>46721655
>>46721655
> Scary Khador
I kek every time.
>>46723080
What is it with Warmahordes and cleft weapons?
>>46723186
Do you have to let it linger?
Do you have to? Do you have to?
Do you have to let it linger?
Aka they masturbated to Majora's Mask.
>>46723255
What, the Razor Sword? That thing doesn't even survive the rewind
>>46723186
You only really see the cleft weapons in Circle and Trollbloods, so I like to imagine it was a popular weapon in the ancient Molgur hordes.
>>46723410
That's why it's so ridiculous that PP is obsessed with it.
>>46723186
Cleft weapons were originally designed in veneration of the Devourer Wurm, and were used by all of the barbaric races (humans, ogrun, gobbers, and trollkin) during the prehistoric Molgur era.
They're still used by the Circle, who totally <3s the Wurm, Dhunian races who are marching to war (and therefore emulating the predatory aspect of the Wyrm), and the occasional human antique. A cleft sword sends the message: "I'm not here for a fair fight. I'm here to murder you."
>>46708559
I spent a whole 7 minutes Photoshopping this picture. And nobody commented on it. This is why I never updated the "Warmahordes" picture, you fuckers.
>>46723885
What do you want, a fucking gold star?
10 minutes from now
>Madrak1 vs Lylyth1 25 points
Place your bets now /tg/
Afterwards will be Madrak1 vs Lucant (all in one) at 35 points.
>>46724071
Lists?
>>46723885
I don't get it
>>46723843
That's actually fairly accurate as Cleft weapons are meant to evoke the devourer wurm and its dual nature.
>>46721255
>>46721183
Toruk is an alien that came to the planet. Space Dragon
>>46723885
I don't even know what it's supposed to mean.
>marry
Zerkova
>kill
Denny1
>Fuck
[spoilers]denny2[/spoilers]
>>46716364
>Marry
Ashlynn
>SexGastone
>Kill
Vayl
>>46725404
No one knows what the fuck Toruk is, but he's an abomination.
He might be from the Iron Kingdoms version of the outer planes, he might be from space, he might be something else entirely.
>>46723885
No one commented because there wasn't anything worth commenting on. Now you've drawn attention to yourself and your shitty concept of humor.
There's a reason most of the OP images are either actual artwork or the Warmachine/Hordes logo.
>>46725764
my point was that he's not Menoth's brother
>>46725873
Except he might be.
>>46725901
he'd be in Urcane if that was true
>>46725924
Hardly. It's not like the creation of a god is a set of instructions you follow that gives you a determined result.
I mean, we're talking about the violent interaction of two entities that embody the very nature of the planet and it's inhabitants. Weird shit is bound to happen.
>>46725901
>>46725924
He'd be an actual god if that were true
>>46726009
He can grant spells, just like a god can.
>>46726016
He's also a colossal dragon with a crystal for a heart, who radiates blight and uses dead people to run his errrands. No one has any actual idea where he came from besides the fact that he just showed up one day, and he certainly hasn't told anyone (in spite of the fact that he is a dragon, and loves to be worshiped like an all powerful god). A kicker is, not only can he bleed, he also fears death. Of course, death to a dragon means being subsumed by another dragon (or some DM-fiat PP is probably holding onto), but he still fears the idea of death.
Also, unlike all of the other gods: Toruk and the other dragons don't do not 'collect' souls. Sure, Toruk knows and has shown his liches how to snare them, drink their aetheric energy, weaponize them, and even use them to light street lamps. But every other deity in the setting has a draw for their respective faithful in the afterlife.
>>46725901
Absolutely nothing suggests he is. He shares zero properties with Dhunia, Menoth, the Wurm, any of their avatars, or any natural creature.
We know there are places and beings outside of Caen/Urcaen because of the Infernals, so it stands to reason he's from somewhere else and not related to the gods at all.
>>46726016
>>46725901
There's really nothing linking Toruk and Menoth. Toruk is a "god" in a lot of ways, but he is definitely not the same type of being that the rest of the gods are. The thing about Toruk and dragons is that they're clearly not natural to Caen. Their very existence wounds the world around them. Menoth and the Devourer Wurm are opposites of one another, but they're two sides of the same coin, and very linked to Caen and Urcaen.
>>46709163
frankly even just a slight boost to their weapon damage so when they fucking assault another unit they can do more than stand there and bop it on the head.
>>46709163
They've had a niche against Menoth, Legion and Cryx.
Fire and Corrosion immunity, and taking 2 min-size units and maximum allotment of flamethrower dudes gives you 6 fire sprays that you can suicide bomb into your opponents for the lulz.
>>46727467
Fire and corrosion immunity doesn't fix the fact that they have no offense. Their gas attack, which should be useful, is worthless because they have to direct hit with it. And sure you can add flamers but it's still 16 points for the two min units and flamers you describe and they will never do 16 points of work. There is no army that is so reliant on fire and corrosion that they are more than a minor annoyance. Menoth hardly gives a shit, 90% of their fire is crit effects. With cryx, I've faced bile thralls exactly once and that's about all they matter against. The only thing they're truly good at is not dying from ravagore shots, and there's usually another option for legion.
>>46727622
Oh, and menoth does flame burst, so I guess when the melee units that utterly wreck AKs start killing them, they die at a slightly slower pace than other units.
Where can I find good fluff on Menoth, lads?
Reading the "Forces of" book right now.
>>46729165
Faction books for general stuff, main rulebook and expansions for metalplot, RPG for super detail on day-to-day life.
Come June, novels for metaplot.
>>46729165
Read the RPG books instead. They're in the pastie.
What is the best source for all this info?the PP site barely covers the content i see in this thread
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warmachine-Hordes-Smogcon-2016-Captain-Bones-Ltd-Edition-Miniature-/162041008222?hash=item25ba65905e:g:EC8AAOSw7n9XE2QF
Is this an official model?
>>46708635
>not noticing that Cryx is still going to OP.
>look at battleboxes, know they have same number of points.
>Khador gets 2 heavies
>most factions get 1 heavy, 2 lights
YFW Cryx gets 2 heavies AND a light
Yes, cryx is OP as usual, nothing to see here move along
>>46708758
I hope so many spam lists will be invalidated.
Cryx 30 bane knights
Ret 30 MHSF
Khador 42 doom reavers
Double croak raiders
All fucking nerfed so fucking hard the players that bought them won't be able to sit down for a fucking week.
>>46729634
it's not a general release model. if it's stats are not already in the game no it's not legal.
>>46709053
But as it stands currently AK's are pretty good: you might want a iron fang kovnik (but who doesn't?) But that's all really.
AK's are damn good because they are immune to so much shit, croaks, biles, feora, harbinger feat, flamers, AK's give 0 fucks.
Sure they like a buff, anything really but they don't need anything, they manage fine, a self sufficient unit in a factions that abloo bloo's about having amazing infantry with buffs.
Well this is one unit that don't need no buffs (but doesn't mind having buffs non the less)
>>46713256
We know that Ed has bad days, he even admits it himself.
Surely it isn't really so bad?
Will seems like a nice fellow for example.
>>46721088
>Is there honestly an appreciable difference between Toruk and a god?
Urcaen. Toruk hasn't shown any indication of being able to affect Urcaen at all, while the other Gods (besides the Old Witch, depending on what you want to call her) have most of their power and influence there and limited ability to affect Caen.
>>46715960
I hate casino dice. They roll badly, and are overrated pieces of shit.
>>46716808
I'm looking forward to the fluff in novels too.
When I read a novel, I read it for the story.
When I read a rulebook, I want the rules
kinda obvious when you think about it, but PP seems to be the first to be thinking this way.
GW novels don't count, because they aren't canon, remember? MFW C.S.GOTO?
>>46729796
Cryx jacks are huge pieces of shit and the only ones you'll see on the table are gonna be Deathjack, Nightmare, Kraken and Sepulcher (and Inflictor sometime in the next decade).
>>46729634
It's the smogcon 2015 special edition model.
No stats, it might be useful for smogcon 2016, if you can make it to heathrow, near london, in britistan.
>>46727622
AKs have guns and flamers, that is sufficient.
But they have 3 attacks per turn thanks to assault & battery. WTF is this smoke bomb thing you speak of? oh wait, it's that pointless thing no one bothers with.
>>46729924
...except everything will be rebalanced in a couple months, so even if Cryx jacks are still generally inferior we'll probably see a lot more variety from them.
>>46729993
Screencap this post. PP will fail to make Cryx jacks useable.
>>46729924
>Cryx WJ's _were_ pieces of shit.
fix'd that for ya, y'all can thank me later.
Remember that ALL WJs just got a buff? Don't you realize yet that they are going to get more buffs?
In fact I have reasons to believe that infantry in general is in for a little shocker...
Thinking MkIII will be like MkII is like thinking MkII was going to be like MkI...
>>46729813Bueno
>>46730024
MkII was a lot like MKI, just with less bullshit.
Mk3 as it currently stands, will not be like MKII.And that's a good thing. MK2 started okay and then went full try-hard mode awfully quickly
>>46730396
I'm not sure what you mean by that robot sporting a sombrero, so I can only presume that you agree.
>The tears of waac faggots are delicious.
I just hope to fucking god they make Skorne infantry worth bringing. Either make them good, or make them cheap.
>>46730426
what a load of shit.
MkI was very different to MkII
Have you been living in a cave or what?
unit coherency, magical attacks, special actions, cavalry, intervening models, WJ damage, not to mention the increasing number of unique special abilities with crazy timing triggers.
So no, mki was different to mkii, that's kinda the reason they changed it.
I do agree that mkII had arrived at the stage where the bullshit needs to be trimmed again.
Hopefully it'll be about 10years of mk3 before it needs trimming again?
>>46726016
So can Infernals.
>>46730442
Especially when those WAACs only played top tier shit, even in casual night, under the guise of "prepping for tournament".
You can't be always prepping for tournament and not actually showing up for any tournaments at the same time douchenozzle.
You just want to noob stomp on casuals :/
>>46730475
Well its been so long.
I remember heavy cavalry being bullshit. I remember screening models was reduced in complexity.
I remember the rules being ridiculously difficult to remember because of the slightly different wording for similar abilities.
But mostly I remember solos. Solos everywhere.
But I was only MKI for a year, so sue me :P
>>46729813
>no Skorne 30 Immortals
>tfw when at the end of the edition you finally get an OP spam list and nobody notices enough to even want it nerfed
>>46729813
I own a 60 doom reaver list, I bought it specifically to deal with a lot of the S tier bullshit that's out there. It's surprisingly good at it too.
Its not something I enjoy playing a lot, some times you just want to derp shit up the table and some days you actually want to use your brain. I will be sad to see it gone, but I would be understanding if they decided to remove it so long as every one else that can spam weapon masters gets the same treatment.
>>46729982
Isn't one of their attacks like a pow 8
Baldur resculpt
>>46730707
Still boring as shit
>>46730780
At least he looks like he is about to do something unlike his old sculpt which was more like >pic related
Blackclad Stoneshaper solo
AKs have both poor damage and average accuracy
Things they can reliably hurt they cannot hit. Things they can reliably hit they cannot hurt. Volume of attacks doesn't help when they don't have reach or cma or anything that helps them be relevant.
>>46730707
Just remember folks, all that leyline stuff? THIS guy's fault. Because he wanted to protect Kaya (turns out, from her own idiocy). Prophetic devourer wyrm-dreams doing the old self-fulfilling bad future shit. Seriously, that.
>>46730852
Not really a fan of that model, the silouette is kind of goofy. And is the paint job that bad or could the painter not hide how terribly the scult on the upper body is?
>>46730953
He janked up the leylines a bit to drop a mountain on Cryx and the athanc, it's Krueger who's bringing fucking blight into the system for little to no good reason.
>>46730852
where the hell did you get this from?
>>46730871
And that's why Vlad is super good at fixing them, yea.
>>46729900
they're supposed to roll badly. Stopping quickly is actually rolling good
>>46730497
Stomping on casuals isn't really that fun desu. I'll play a 'fun' caster or list not my tournament pair since it doesn't benefit either of us
>>46731292
Fun or not, this is a game where skill and construction matter and inform on-table results.
Play badly and/or build slovenly and you WILL get wrek't. Play well and select your models competently and you WILL wrek casuals, even if you are a casual. "X d6, anywhere on the table" ain't here to save nobody.
Ive got a friend thats kinda sick of 40k. What can i say to convince him to try warmahordes? Ive never played it either but giant mechs and giant kaiju already sold me
>>46731425
In two months giant mechs vs giant kaiju might actually be seen on the table.
New edition drops then.
>>46731425
Depends on what he likes about 40k. If he's really into the setting or just really likes space marines there's probably not much about WMH that's going to appeal to him. If he's tired of bad balance or shoddy rules writing then WMH is miles ahead in that department (although obviously not perfect)
>>46731425
Warmahordes:
>New edition coming out in two months, new starter boxes that are slightly better than some of the current ones, contain better sculpts
>Warmachine is WW1 steampunk armies with magical giant robots
>Hordes is metal fantasy armies with brutal giant monsters
>Smaller price of entry, starter boxes are relatively cheap and great to start with.
I hope Terminus and Venethrax get Engine of Destruction it becomes an upkeep spell.
>>46731406
Yes but I go to tournaments to test my mettle.
I go to casuals to cool my kettle.
If I've said I was looking for a casual game immediately prior to agreeing to a game with you... and you bring Skarre Thirty Bane Knights, you are an asshole and deserve to be sock jacked.
Oh and the best part about this new edition. Is that list construction is fundamentally changing. The old compositions that were used before will not be working in this new edition. Meaning Mr. Assholes "multiple armies" will all need to change drastically.
>>46730024
The issues they have to fix w/ Earjackas are many. Getting stuck on Infantry and no sweep, dying easily to Infantry, getting one shot by pretty much any beast / other jack, etc. They solved resource issues, sort of, and are forcing players to take more via WJ points but that seems like a bandaid fix to me.
>>46731667
>If I've said I was looking for a casual game immediately prior to agreeing to a game with you... and you bring Skarre Thirty Bane Knights, you are an asshole and deserve to be sock jacked.
>Oh and the best part about this new edition. Is that list construction is fundamentally changing. The old compositions that were used before will not be working in this new edition. Meaning Mr. Assholes "multiple armies" will all need to change drastically.
Those people won't have any problem adapting because they have the armies that they do because they are willing to understand the game and build lists accordingly. When they rules change they'll do it all over again. That "asshole" can very well be giving you a casual game; what you actually should have told him is "design a worse list than you are capable of making or want to play, on purpose, and then I'll be willing to play this game with you for fun".
>>46731675
I mean, we haven't seen anything else.
We know Reach is getting changed, just not how.
It's entirely possible warjacks are getting anti-infantry options, or the anti-infantry jacks are getting made more worth it.
And infantry might be getting worse at killing warjacks.
My random hope with no basis is that they make Power Attacks more dynamic and interesting. Slams for knockdown and Double Handed Throws for scenario play were the only ones you saw(well, and headbutts from Bronzebacks because it's just another hit). I'd like to see more interesting stuff than that.
>>46731781
Where did you hear about reach
>>46731858
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?248938-4-13-Insider-and-Warjack-Equivalents&p=3467932&viewfull=1#post3467932
>>46731765
>Hey what keeps Y caster from being played at Tournaments?
>Y is susceptible to X and Z which are seen near 90 % of the time in that format.
>Oh so only for casual games then?
Repeat for 90% of the casters in a faction. When I say I want to play a casual game I mean I want to play in a manner that my lists can stand a fucking chance in.
The mere fact that I am asking for a casual game should be enough indication that I am aware of its faults in a larger competitive scene and meta and would like an opportunity to play with the models I spent $$$ and time on without having to feel like giving my eyes out for 2 hours.
If I asked you for a casual game and you agreed, I'm bringing shit that won't fly in a tourney. I expect you to do the same.
>>46731921
So, short of him not dropping a purification 'caster, what the heck do you expect from this guy? "Handicap yourself in ways you never have previously?"
>>46731765
They have the armies they do because their fragile egos need the stroking they get from tabling someone who hasn't had the chance or desire to net list whatever has been pissing people off at national tournaments. That "asshole" shouldn't expect people who "can't" build such masterful lists to beg him to lower himself to their level so that both parties can enjoy moving their tiny people around a table.
>>46731765
Oh and I have no problem with people giving their hardest go at something... At a tournament or for tournament prep.
Expectations are a thing.
>>46731998
Usually ,when it isn't the sperglords playing, they drop their pet caster and we both have a good time.
Most of the time it's fun had by both parties, instead of just one or none.
>>46732011
More likely never bothered to *buy* "fun" stuff below the curve on account of rudimentary statistics skills entering their spending decisions and this being a game where that kind of thing is actually relevant.
You can pick out the better models and design a list with them that fits together pretty easily with game. You will then *table* an unfocused list builder after you get the rules down. That's just what this game is, anon.
>>46730852
What a weird face. And is he holding an electrified egg? Goofy pose too.
Nope. Not a fan, but maybe his rules will be nice.
>>46731913
I'm not seeing it.
"No fleeing checks for whatever reason in MKIII" is definitely a thing, though!
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?249144-Mk3-UA-Standards-specifically&p=3471014#post3471014
>>46732191
Soles responds to a guy asking about Reach and melee range on warjacks with "I have another Insider coming."
Man these books are a mess.
Im guessing what i need is the core rules bestiary and then an army book to get started?
>>46732148
No, that's just what the game CAN be, anon.
If someone is obviously not approaching the game from a purely statistical standpoint, and even tells you as much, going full blown waac makes you an asshole. No one is having fun, no one is impressing anyone.
>>46732325
You don't need anything but a core book, which is free on their website(Mk3 will also be free)
Books are entirely optional. They're just there for the fluff blubs and consolidated unit entries.
Models come with cards in their box that give you everything you need to run them.
>>46732377
Bit of a problem actually because we were going to test it on tabletop simulator. Are the rules for the units found elsewhere?
>>46732329
Nobody is trying to impress anybody; the problem is where one player assumes that if the other guy doesn't wrack his brain to come up with a handicap the other guy isn't just out to have fun playing with his models.
>>46732245
That's what I'm not seeing, it doesn't necessarily mean that.
>>46732427
War Room is their app that comes with all the rules, but you have to pay for those. And the app, while has gotten a lot better, can be a little derpy. The basic model entries in the core book are free in the app though, so if you were just doing small stuff, you can use it.
I'd say to semi hold off though. New edition drops in two months, and when it does, shit's going to change. You could buy card packs at that point, which have every card in a faction.
>>46732469
I mean, he's being coy as hell, yes, but it's pretty obvious it's something they're addressing.
Reach is one of the biggest rules infractions in the game, after all. So many models alternate between good and useless solely on the addition of that rule.
>>46732432
If a person won't even consider not taking the most optimal models in the game, especially when it's been made clear that the other person has chose their list for reasons outside of its pure mathematical efficiency, how can anyone assume that they care about anything but winning? No matter how good it feels for a list to work like it's supposed to, there's no satisfaction in creaming a list that both players acknowledge as inferior to yours unless winning is your goal above and beyond anyone having fun.
Surely someone with such a grasp of rudimentary statistics doesn't have to strain himself coming up with a combination of models that's slightly less economical if it's in the interest of both parties.
>>46732469
Are you a robot?
>>46730871
I got into Khador because I loved the AK models. Then I learned the game. I still don't own any AK. The reason why is EXACTLY what this anon says.
I really hope they get a boost in Mk 3.
>>46729917
BL novels are kind of loose where they're canon until proven otherwise. (Except for the Horus Heresy and likely The Beast Arises and the upcoming Primarch series. The HH is at least canon.)
>>46731528
>contain better sculpts
And unfortunately the same old crappy plastic.
I've no idea why PP is pussyfooting around with this shit when a company like Wyrd can afford to switch over to polystyrene and I've a good feeling they make less than PP does.
It may not be a huge deal to a lot of people, but it still probably is a reason why some people can't be bothered with the game, especially since PP isn't exactly charging you nickels and dimes for their stuff.
