Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion
Succubutt Edition
Discuss the viability of the Warcraft universe as a tabletop RPG setting, laugh at the finer points of lore and discuss why the Defias was a front for the Uncrowned. Have fun, don't go full autist, and keep your cool.
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>>46622936
Here's a better pic.
Garrosh and Garithos should return as Death Knights and team up too stop the race mixing before it's too late.
>>46623059
>Combat race-mixing
>With race-mixing
Hey wanna hear a warcraft joke?Succubus.
sluts are not waifu material
>>46622936
>>46623044
plebs plz
>>46622936
I sorta miss the WC3 "Wing Dress" succubus model.
>Draenai run from the Legion being useless shits for eons.
>Elves straight up attack the Legion and deal it a grievous blow in only a few years
Why are Elves so much better than Goats?
>>46623172
deliciously thick. moar
>>46623598
Are you forgetting that the former queen of the elves sold out her own planet to the demons first?
>>46623693
No, that's just irrelevant.
>>46623693
>>46623736
That just makes it worse.
>half the holy goat paladins go insane and start eating the galaxy
>the other half run for it before eventually tripping over a space rock and landing on Azeroth
>half the magic forest elves sell out their planet to start eating the galaxy
>the other half blast them into the sea and fuck up their demonic masters
To answer the original question, because WoW lore is terrible and disjointed.
Nefarian caught a MAJOR case of babyface with the model update.
>>46623598
Because Blizzard.
Such utter nonsense shit are their master-craft.
Also, see >>46623836
>>46623693
>smugface
The narcissistic bitch acknowledges she's a whore of highest bidder.
>>46623693
2 draenei kings sold out their planet to the Legion
elves win again
>>46624213
Archimonde and Kil'jaeden were deceived. Azshara, however, knew exactly what was going to happen to the world, she just didn't care so long as she got some titan dick.
>>46624354
Wonder what her reaction would be when she sees this titanic dong. Everywhere. Everywhere she looks there's this titanic flaming dong. Every angle, every elevation, every fucking dimension there's this flaming dong right in front of her
So, it only took you... what, two weeks to stop pretending you had any interest in traditional games, and instead have these threads devolve into just general Warcraft discussion?
>>46624408
>>46624445
There was talk in the very last thread about running a campaign for a group and how to grok certain mechanics and classes.
>>46624408
Titans can change their size, but her cunt would still be calcined.
>>46624483
Where's the talk in THIS thread.
If you're just here to talk about Warcraft, you should be in /vg/ and stop making a constant thread here and just bumping it with /vg/ chatter.
Alright /tg/, how would you stat Sargeras' dick?
>>46623435I fapped to those and the Sorceress in game models
no regrets
>>46624509
>bumping it with /vg/ chatter.
It's not /vg/ chatter until the furries and ERPers come out.
Do natural magic users like DnD sorcerers, and taught magic users like DnD wizards, both exist in Warcraft? Or is it only one or the other?
>>46624804
Mages and warlocks are the closest to wizards, and shamans are the closest to sorcerers. Druids are druids.
>>46624841
OK, so the only way to use the arcane is to learn how, no one is naturally arcane enough to cast spells without education
>>46624861
Some beings can. Mogu for example, I believe some Ogres work that way too.
A few other races and even animals have arcane damage abilities (Ghostpaw wolves in Ashenvale have arcane explosion in ghost form.) but I believe those are mostly intended to be "Lunar" arcane.
>>46624887
>I believe some Ogres work that way too.
some ogres are born sorcerers (Imperator Mar'gok and Cho'gall), and they can also be turned into sorcerers artificially (the ogre-magi created by Gul'dan during the Second War)
>>46624861
In the lore, the mage trolls are actually born with arcanic power, they are the true equivalent of the sorcerer in dnd
And I don't agree with>>46624841
Shaman are druids from the circle of lands or to an extent barbarian totemic
Mage can either be sorcerer or wizard, I don't remember if there is an equivalent of the warlock. Priest maybe, but it's a big stretch that light grant power like patrons.
>>46624556
You don't get out much do you?
>>46624445
I'm still working on my 4e conversion
Still having trouble assigning ability score bonuses to the various races
>>46625106
Warlocks are the only class that require to have been another class at some point (usually Mages or Shamans).
They understand arcane and elemental magic just as well, if not better, than the others. They elect to do what they do because it provided the greatest power in the shortest amount of time.
Mages are limited on the amount of magic they can draw on (though are creative with working with what they have) and shamans are limited by what the spirits are willing to part with (or how much power they can grant them in the case of dark shamans).
A warlock has an infinite store of power and can draw on chaos and ruin itself. They are only limited by their ability to control it (sometimes literally destroying their bodies from the backlash) or, if too reckless, getting fucked over by someone who can do it better than they can (usually a demon).
>>46623881
I hope kel'thuzad gets an update
>>46625261
>KT gets a model update
>Human body
>>46625106
Scourge death knights are the closest equivalent to warlocks.
>>46625351
Hard pass. Just make his skelly bod more sexe ty
>>46625219
I was talking about the warlock in Dnd, not the one in wow but your post made think about Wilfred Fizzlebang so it's all good
>>46625354
It could work yes
In general, I think all the wow classes are more Multiclassing than RAW
>>46625408
>but your post made think about Wilfred Fizzlebang
PREPARE FOR OBLIVION
>>46625415
Trifling gnome, your arrogance will be your undoing!
>>46625481
But I'm in charge here--
>>46625531
urgh...
>>46622936
The local group I've been gaming with for years has put up with the same amount of years of me gushing on occasion about warcraft lore and its world and so forth on our occasional late-night-post-game chats; not terribly often but when it happens I go on for hours because I'm a fucking awful fanboy sometimes, but last year we had nothing to do and I knew the world and the setting so I did a short game based in the universe pre-wotlk.
Party was a mixed bag of both horde and alliance PCs and it went pretty okay at first. They start out escorting a draenei shaman with special permission to go to horde lands to learn with the Earthen Ring there, and on the way stumble onto a weird cult (attacking astranaar, killed on sight) who seemed to be doing something necromantic and followed up on it since they were on their way south anyway. They travel through Stonetalon Mountains (pretty sure the Barrens horde won't give a shit about special permission) and find the goblin excavation completely empty at first, then get zombie-swarmed in time, picking up one goblin rogue (late arrival) who tells them that somebody poisoned the supplies and the dead started creeping and eating the not-dead.
They eventually follow up to Sun Rock Retreat and catch another batch of cultists gathering the civilians there up and several of their number lift off on Wyverns heading up and southward further. Party takes out the hostage-takers quickly and quietly, and get told that the last set were heading for Thunder Bluff.
One sky-chase later the Cult of the Damned has been put down, and Cairne Bloodhoof's folks are pretty grateful, offering the Horde's pledge to the party members not already under their banner.
With the Intro done, I set them off for WOTLK era content proper, and they opted for the Borean Tundra path.
Continue storytime or no? They paused starting into some Ulduar stuff and there was a fair amount between then and there.
>>46625733
I'm eating carbonara, but sure, go on anon.
This is Lady Vashj back when she was a Night Elf. Damn shame she got killed. Any info on her in Legion? She'll probably stay dead, since she's not a demon like Illidan and not a fan favourite, but who knows..
>>46625880
>carbonara
Not sure where you're going with that, but bon apetite.
So, Borean tundra. The party's going in with the first wave; not arriving to a fully built Warsong Hold or Valliance Keep; they're with the landing party and get to deal with all the shit that the Lich King left on his front doorstep.
In particular, they're on one of a fleet of landing ships all heading into the coast when the mist picks up and Vrykul start attacking ships. Some combat happens, a couple of near-drownings, but that's all fine and dandy until ships start hitting the rock formations hidden in the mist off the coast. The majority of the first fleet gets wrecked and the party swims to shore in freezing water.
Garosh Hellscream and Saurfang the Elder manage to survive, along with the party and about half the invasion force they started with. The NPCs start getting shit together and canabalize the boats into supplies to start setting up a fortress, forging inland to try to get away from the mists and maybe get some highground to defend themselves from the next wave of death. The party forms up and goes out as a scouting party to try to sort out wtf there is to be done here, find some weird Walrus people that seem amenable to someone else killing the Vrykul that're killing them, helps start getting allies and a sense of the land. They move inward along the coastline and wind up seeing that huge fortress in the distance full of skulls and undead and weird shit like that and decide "We're gonna take that out!"
That goes better than expected with the party pulling a fighting retreat to let the Horde know what's ahead of them. I'd expanded the map a bit so crossing a zone takes a few days, and between random encounters and occasional plot/minor quest line stuff, they get back about the time that Warsong Hold is starting to get a hold of itself, first few Goblin Zepplin shipments come in, etc.
>>46625944
All of Illidans minions were too cool for him, and deserved a better ending than what they got. I'm still pissed that Kael'thas turned evil instead of actually helping his people.
>>46625981
Party as I remember it is
>Goblin Rogue
>Draenei Crusader (Priest)
>Draenei Cleric (priest)
>Human Martial Adept (Rogue)
>Tauren Martial Adept (Warrior)
>Tauren Fighter (Warrior)
>Gnomish Oracle (Priest)
Garosh decides he loves the idea of crashing his forces headlong into the fortress as soon as he hears about it. Saurfang the Elder agrees as politically as he can and states that it will take a few weeks at the least to muster everything and have the troops marching as soon as possible, then sneaks away to tell the party they have as long as he can BS Garosh until their lives are over unless they can at the Least cut off its supply chains further inland.
They sneak around the fortress along the coast, and make for Dragonblight, following a small trail of what look at first glance like enormous undead ants trudging around. They also find the Taunka camps along the way and give them warning of the undead about the place and how to reach Warsong Hold if they're interested in Not having to live in fear of the undead.
They locate the entrance to an underground passage that the undead bugs were using to travel under the territory held by the Dragonflights to the west and delve, resulting in some of the best moments of our campaign.
The in-game dungeons have several bridges made exclusively of spiderwebs, particularly the main entrance ones. Some of our lighter-stepped PCs have no issue with this, but our High-wis-Shit-Int Tauren martial adept decides to take a flying leap at the thing and, through a miraculous set of rolls and checks, manages to bounce every time EXCEPT the last one, landing on the platform but snapping the bridge off behind him, giving the party no direction but forward and downward. That's how we ALMOST went to Azjol Nerub, but they decided to go for the Old Kingdom instead when the path split.
>>46625944
>Lord Illidan, don't be sad
>You can call me Tyrande if you want
>>46625626
You face Jaraxxus, eredar lord of burning legion!
>>46625981
Ah, reminds me of Arthas' first trip to Northrend
>>46625408
Mechanically, I'd say DKs are mostly warlock jammed into a paladin shell (funny since that's exactly what the originals were), with dash of psionics.
Like paladins, they're knights with special horsies and magic to augment their melee skills. Like warlocks, they get their power from becoming a patron's bitch, and unlike conventional casters with limited mana/spells per day they can spam most of their magic all day long. Like psions, they also have some abilities that depend on a pool of points.
>>46626081
From that point the human in the party started being a bit salty about not getting a chance to go back and recover from their earlier challenges, but the rest of them are of the mindset "more than half the party can't make the climb back up, we move forward."
This didn't make much of a fuss yet but I think it has something to do with later choices regarding alliances.
The party fights its way through the first section, not a lot going on story-wise for the first couple of encounters (boss fights; why waste time with trashmobs?) using translations of the game's actual mechanics for it which worked pretty well on a table-top situation; take out the minion to remove boss's conditional invulnerability, etc. Then they get to Prince Taldaram. I adjust the presentation so that it shows him as being a blood-elf contained by the strange forces at work in the Old Kingdom, and the party smashes the crystal things nearby to free him and open the path forward. He gratefully offers his aid and insights to the area in return for freeing him and even offers them a position of power among his followers once he reaches the surface and can rejoin his kin. The party are pretty sure something's up but are also pretty sure he's a magician and, for once, there's no wizard in the party so they'll let him tag along as long as he doesn't blast them.
They sneak down, past the Desecrated Alter and avoid the Twilights Hammer cultists (not to be confused with the Cult of the Damned cultists) and go straight for Herald Volasj.
In the game there's a half-way trick he pulls at 50% HP to make your party vanish and enemies with their appearance start to attack you showing how he's messing with your party's heads. I wanted to keep true to that.
>>46626008
Illidan was a power-mad cunt for entirety of the frozen throne campaign. He might have not been wanting to serve demons, but eventually ended up serving Killy anyway.
Then out of the blue he was independent again in TBC (and that's after he was weakened by his defeat at hand of arthas, no less), and now apparently he's shown (or seen) as insanely powerful good guy all along.
>>46625944
>>46626008
>leave with your civilizations to some fuck nowhere planet so there's no quarrel
>retard adventurers come out of the portal and kill you for treasure
>>46626163
So, when they reach the Herald's parlor, I have the party roll Will Saves. The intellectually handicapped Tauren Martial Adept critically fails, so I hand numbered tokens to each of the party members and tell them first to memorize the number, then to place it anywhere on the hastily scrawled out map of the dungeon.
"Alright, now that everything's in place, don't move it until I'm done. Your character is now where you placed that token, teleported without resistance but also with no harm.
On the other hand, our Tauren friend sees your original figures as his friends just like they always were, even if you see a bunch of tentacled, beclawed monsters. Tauren dude? You see the PCs as said monsters."
That resulted in some near deaths, not the least of which being the Gnome getting hurled off the side of one of the ledges just as the Tauren Adept made his save to realize what he'd done.
After that was said and done, I repeated the token dealy, and when they were done I told the party that the tokens were where the monsters had teleported to; almost all of them placed right next to the healer.
It was rough, but they made it out eventually; I made another adjustment from the game and had their exit pop up in the catacombs in the shadow of Wintergarde Keep.
Also, in the shadow of Naxxramas.
>>46626208
he was never really serving Kil'jaeden to begining with, just work with him when it serves his goal.
He is the "Betrayer", remember?
>>46626247
He may not have chose to serve him but when Kil'Jaeden found him in Outland he made him his little bitch anyway.
>>46626229
Something tells me the party's gonna get fucked..
>>46626256
>Kael'thas approaches Illidan
>My lord..
>There's just no way that we can win
>He rocks too hard because he's not a mortal man!
>God damn it Kael!
>He's gonna make me his sex slave! I'm gonna gargle mayonnaise
>No..
>>46626220
Well iirc Illidan started it by reactivating the Dark Portal and sending an invasion force of demons through.
kek
>>46626288
the Legion reactivated the portal, Highlord Kazzak to be precise
>>46626229
Now in >>46626163 I mentioned Prince Taldaram. He wasn't all that much help to the party but he didn't hinder them either until they reached the surface. At that point he promptly started dropping fireballs with the explanation of "Well you'll have to die before I can raise you as my agents and allies" which didn't go over too well as far as fine-print goes. Still, the players manage to dash away for cover and hide, so he eventually gives up on the promising new recruits for now and return to his faction to do undead things.
The party decides Not to try and tackle another damn dungeon yet, and heads south, stealing one of the nearby abandoned dwarven tanks and plowing through anything on their way. They manage to make a perception check while wandering and deviate a little, soon finding a hidden road and making their way to Venomspite, a horde R&D camp run by the Apothocary's society. They sell the tank (to be used for nefarious purposes later) and are paid in fucking tons of potions, mostly healing ones and a few buffs.
In addition, the Human makes contact with the Scarlet Crusade base a bit further south and manages to make some good RP work with some good diplomatic skill checks, and convinces them to trade some goods, services, and a bunch of medical supplies (potions and potion accessories) for some actual enchanted gear to help against the undead.
Now, I try to be fair with NPCs, but sometimes quirky stuff happens and this was the first faction that the Human's player had found to be actually cooperative and helpful, so he decided to offer to be helpful in turn, and began plotting the downfall of the Lich King at the Scarlet Crusade's behest.
The rest of the party wasn't blind to this; some knowledge checks and basic fluff info given later they were aware that he was colaborating with a group of semi-omnicidal zealots, but also that they had magical gear they were willing to part with if it was being turned on Naxxramas.
>>46626277
>Bard artifact quest has you going through the caverns of time and challenging major villains to a rock off
>>46626263
Probably but not quite in the way you'd imagine, give it time.
>>46626322
So, some careful application of flight-granting transmutation effects, lots of stealth, a couple of near-frostwyrm experiences, the party takes their fancy new gear and a bit of backup into Naxxramas.
"So there's 4 quarters, the Plague quarter, the Construct Quarter, the Military Quarter, and the Arachnid Quarter."
"Construct quarter sounds like where the controls would be, let's go there."
Four boss level encounters later, they finish off Thaddus and find that, low and behold, just because they make stuff there doesn't mean the necro-factory wing is where the floating fortress's command bridge is.
They figure out even more frustratingly that they'll need to take out the other three's worth before they can magically force open the way to the upper chambers to wrest control from Kel'Thuzad.
However, the Scarlet Crusade is not as bereft of mages as the party is, and start setting up portals to bring in more forces, and help clear things out, emboldened by "Hey, our team got the first quarter done on our own, hop up here and we'll hand you the keys to a bitchin new ride."
That got them moving pretty quickly and the party a whole lot more worried about all this than they were before.
>>46626390
>"Construct quarter sounds like where the controls would be, let's go there."
>Four boss level encounters later, they finish off Thaddus and find that, low and behold, just because they make stuff there doesn't mean the necro-factory wing is where the floating fortress's command bridge is.
comedy gold
>>46626390
In the meantime, the party sends word to Venomspite, asking them to send a message to the Borean landing party of "Hey, we fucked up their lines and we're hitting their forces hard over here," so that Saurfang knows they'll have a chance. Crusaders say they can handle this for now and even send the party over To the horde's invasion to ensure that The Scourge is getting hit on all sides, and the party agrees, going along with more new nifty tricks and trinkets to turn against the undead.
They promptly go steal some gnomish aircraft from the Alliance airbase that'd been set up in Borean since they'd left and crash them into the mini-naxx that floats over it.
"Catapult Turtle launches Gaia The Fierce Knight into the Flotation Ring around the Castle of Darkness, causing it to fall on the monsters!"
The fortress falls in a matter of minutes, with a last-moment rush to take out the rituals in the Ziggarauts before they can be turned into WC3's defensive tower versions and slaughter the horde while they're weakened and inside the walls.
Scarlet Crusade rings up their new buddies and asks if they're ready to take the fight back on their side, and that the quarters are clear. Boss-rushing continues as they fight their way past Saphiron and into KT's chambers.
Kel'Thuzad's good but PC's+Scarlet Crusade were enough to make him glad his phylactery was elsewhere.
The Scarlet Crusade now has a floating fortress of death and destruction and begins purifying it from the inside out to be used in their endgame. Party considers just ramming it into the Icecrown Citiadel but that gets turned down on account of no one can drive this yet until we sort out the arcane control systems.
What they DO figure out is the portals that KT was usuing to pull undead from elsewhere in the last fight, and how to use them as scrying devices.
>>46626463
So, the party does some quick info-gathering on what the Horde and Alliance are up to.
>Horde now owns Borean; Warsong Hold, the Captured Alliance Airstrip is an internationa Incident that will go unanswered as long as the Alliance can still use it to ford more troops into Northrend for other battlefields.
>The Eastern front goes well, with the Vrykul kings dropping at the hands of knee-high hamstringing bastards with guns and magic to back up their numerous army.
>Forces gather in Dragonblight to push against the Wrathgate, and are repelled when the FUCKING FORSAKEN start team-killing and fucking it all up.
>With tensions high, both factions armies are rushing for the Vault of Archaevon for the titan relics believed to be held within.
The party decides they want that action and use their new porting system to zip into the Vault before anyone else can get there, finding it mostly empty at the entrance, designed for someone MUCH bigger than them, and at the end of a long hallway made longer by those proportions is simply a monitering station. A little magic translation goes a long way to explaining what the fuckhuge warning sign in the north-eastern mountains of the Stormpeaks is.
"Eldritch Containment Breach, Corruption Spreading, Algalon in contemplation, Local and Orbital Defenses being brought online."
The party quickly decides that neither faction needs to know anything about this right now and does everything in their power to wreck the place and cause a cave-in, while sending a brief missive to Saurfang that while there's a pressing concern OTHER than the undying scourge and their invincible king, the party and their new buddies will handle it so that the Horde can win victory against the undead menace.
Now if you'll imagine for a moment, the Scarlet Onslaught, with no friends among ANY factions, suddenly handed a floating fortress that they're working out how to move, control and deploy from... hearing "Orbital Defenses."
>>46626532
And here we're catching up to where the game left off a few months ago; the party zips into Ulduar, guns blazing and with Scarlet support moving to back them up. They've managed to take down the Flame Leviathan and Razorscale, and since then we've moved on to other games (rotating DMs, and I have 3 different active campaigns to pick from including this one).
Subplots have been initiated to minimize the harm of the Scarlet Crusade, including letting the Green Dragonflight know something was up so that they could start infiltrating the ranks in shapeshift and maybe do something about it, ESPECIALLY because they recognize a taint among the Scarlet Crusaders akin to the Emerald Nightmare and are looking into that in particular.
However it's beginning to look like they may hand over Ulduar as well as Naxx to the Scarlets. Those of you who know the game's lore a bit better know the spoilers for who's running that show.
I see a couple ways for things to go forward. The party might hand the stuff in Ulduar back to the Titans and try to put things right in Yog'Saron's cage. I figure this will be the case if the human PC dies and the party severs ties with the Scarlet Crusade, though the SC will be a much bigger presence in the future than they had been in cannon.
They might follow through with the SC plan, at which point the Scourge will be quickly destroyed, followed by the Horde and Alliance capitals, most of their forces, and the party that Aren't human will be starting the next stage of the story in either Outland or Post-Warlords Draenor, having had to seek refuge through the Dark Portal to escape the Scarlet Onslaught and possibly seek help from the Iron Horde to turn back the Scarlet Tide and their malevolent masters.
I'd love tips and ideas on where to progress from here; no plan survives contact with the player characters, but it's worth it to have some notion of if-then preparation.
>>46626532
Should've crashed the fortress when they had the chance, no loose ends
Then again, a flying fortress is pretty baller
>>46626611
>However it's beginning to look like they may hand over Ulduar as well as Naxx to the Scarlets. Those of you who know the game's lore a bit better know the spoilers for who's running that show.Mal'ganisin control of Ulduar and Naxx? sounds like a better way to defeat Arthas than Mary Sueing him to death
>>46625733
I am interested to know how you prevented the Boring Tundra from living up to its name.
>>46626322
They SELL the tank?
>>46626639
Well yeah, but at the same time it's kinda leaving the rest of the world to TBL, thus post-apoc refugee time-skip and needing to decide which version of Draenor they escape to depending on the time frame. Maybe even just fleeing south to Pandaria in the mists where they're hidden from the Titantech since it's covered with the ethereal corpse of an Old God or something like that. Didn't play for most of MoP so I'm not so sure, but I AM sure it wasn't on the world maps that the Titans had in the Storm peaks.
>>46626662
Nobody was really a mechanic and they had a lot more use for fucktons of healing potions than they did for a giant vehichle they could only use because of presumptuous gnomish racism (oracle had a vision limit due to class choices, so everyone else had to back-seat drive for the only person who wasn't crushed by the driver's seat).
Borean is boring for a few reasons; monotonous questlines, very understated music, lots of grey and bland visual tones, etc. A lot of design went into it and it's even Pretty depending on how you look at it, but the overall resulting subdued experience comes a lot from the game's presentation. Change that up, make it less a dusty wasteland and more an arctic warzone with enemies coming from all directions, and the party will do a lot to make up for it.
Also, lots of making fun of Garosh for incompetent leadership; I wasn't a fan, and playing up Saurfang's desperation to make a hero out of Garosh to keep morale high as well as the fool's own antics from killing them all turned out to be fun.
An early raid on the mist-hunting vrykul with lots of low-level (base manual) orcs vs giant warriors resulted in no PC deaths but two waves and over 40 dead orcs before the camp was taken.
We could have hung a "Mission Accomplished" banner over Warsong Hold and it wouldn't have been contested in any fashion or for any reason.
>>46626108
She was surprisingly loyal to Illidan, even apologising to him with her dying breath. It's never really explained why she stays loyal to Illy when everyone else betrays him. She just really likes him, I guess?
>>46624465rip that show
>>46626807
She wanted to jump him back when they are all just elves doing elf things didn't she?
Guess the crush just kept growing.
>>46626988
Maybe, I don't remember. If she did, then it probably had something to do with Azshara having a slight interest in him.
>>46626988
>>46627041
Illidan made a fatal mistake not tapping that >>46625944 unf.He got Maiev'd anyway
>>46627135
Speaking of Maiev, how the hell can anyone hold a grudge for 10,000 years? Illidan didn't even do anything particularly bad to her. He made a new well, but she got immortality for it, so that's nice. He attacked her brother, but he didn't die or get fatally injured or anything. The fuck is she so angry about?
>>46627381
Eh, when you do something (and ONLY that) for a few thousand years, you might find it becomes who you are.
She literally doesn't have anything else in her life but being a Warden.
>>46627381
>ayy you wanna guard the traitor?
>"Yeah, I hate traitors!"
500 years later
>"Fuck this is boring."
1000 years later
>"Fuuuuuck."
>"This was easy when I hated him but he's not even that bad. Maybe if I pretend..."
2000 years later
>"That's right Maiev, he drowned cats and uh, killed your fiance who totally existed! You're not wasting your time!"
6500 years later
>"FUCKING KITTEN KILLING GENOCIDING SHOPLIFTING RAPIST FUCK ILLIDAN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>>46623127
Multicult!=Multiracialism.
Bolvar is taking all orcs towards the nether.
>>46627511
She could've just rape him for 10,000 years straight, like any other normal being
>That's right, Illidan. It's lunch time. Twenty pounds of ass!
>NOOOOOOOOOO-- oh wait, that's my favorite meal.
>>46627381
I interpreted it as an elf thing, where they always put such importance on things that they'd rather make life miserable for everybody else if they didn't get their way.Looking at you, Fëanor
Sadly they got rid of that and made our beloved psychotic amazon elves into purple mannequins.
Apart from that, pretty much what >>46627448 says.
>>46627511
I actually feel sad for Maiev. She needs to hate Illidan, but once she actually achieves her revenge, she's got nothing left. Quotes from end of the Illidan bossfight:
Maiev says: It is finished. You are beaten.
Illidan says: You have won...Maiev. But the huntress...is nothing without the hunt. You...are nothing...without me.
Maiev says: He's right. I feel nothing. I am nothing. Farewell, champions.
>>46627381
It's implied that the named Warden that Tyrande and Illidan killed during his breakout was Maiev's lover, or at least close friend.
>>46627979
I feel worse for Cordana desu
Maiev can get over her spleen (assuming she doesn't get killed off in Legion), but Cordana is probably not getting better.
So is it confirmed if Varian dies in Legion? And if so what are the chances it'll actually stick? I don't see him dying permenantly.
>>46628046
Well Bolvar took over the undead scourge, maybe Varian will take over the burning legion.
>>46628107
>Hey, Bolvar
>Yes, my king?
>How the FUCK did this happen?
>Well, I was... And then you were... You know, I honestly have no idea.
>>46628145
Now I'm imagining lich king Bolvar and demon lord Varian hanging out in the World's End, drinking, reminiscing and exchanging experiences on which has more evil minions.
>>46628017
So I looked this up, the only named one is the keeper of the grove, and there's nothing implying he's the lover of Maiev. Hell I don't even know if centaurs (or whatever the fuck keepers of the groves are) can mate with Night Elves.
>>46628263
Well a stag can definitely mate with elf goddess, so...
But I don't think Maiev has any personal grudge against malfurion or tyrande, at least not of that nature. The most personal connection she seems to have was to that aide whatshername, who died in the collapsing temple.
>>46628028
Never heard of her, but based on the wow wiki, it looks to me like she's going to end up as a raid boss which pretty much is the worst fate in Warcraft. It looks to me like Maiev will be on our team (not that I even play WoW anymore) and not an enemy, surprisingly.
>>46628292
She definitely has a grudge against Tyrande if you watch her cutscenes in TFT - for good reason too.
You mean Naisha? They probably did itch the ditch together, gets boring guarding a cafe for 10k years, sure. Definitely seems more like a trusted subordinate/leader relationship though. Could Maiev be a virgin?
>>46628295
Cordana Felsong is Khadgar's companion throughout WoD. She's quite good.at least for a time ; ;
>>46628145
>Sylvanas finally goes off the deep end and becomes a raid boss
>Anduin picks up the fallen banshee's bikini
>he knows his time has come
>he'll make his dad and uncle Bolvar proud
>THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A BITCH QUEEN
>[laments the highborne in broken thalassian]
>>46628331
>[laments the highborne in broken thalassian]
heh
Behind the veil all you find is death
>>46629260
these birdmen were pretty cool.
best thing in the expansionapart from karaborrip
Is there R34 of Garithos and Sylvanas?
>>46627979
I wish we could have a story that is nothing but page after page of Illidan heckling Maiev during a long, drawn-out chase.
>>46624498
No they can't.
Source: Warcraft chronicle
>>46626295
Ah, the days of early CATA when it looked like the Alliance may have actually struck first.
>>46630676
Or Illidan just commenting from his cell on the daily goings-on of the prison.
>>46630735
They can however create avatars of whatever size they want.
>>46630676
Illidan as Bugs Bunny to Maiev's Elmer Fudd? Sure, why not.
>Maiev: "Shh, be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting sillydins!"
>Illidan: "Eh..what's up, warden?"
>>46629260
BEWARE THE BURNING SSSSSSKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n6WP9qHyRM&nohtml5=False
>tfw the highest moment of wow.
>>46623435
way WAY better models
how and why they changed? i got really surprised when i saw a suc on wow
>>46631608
Yeah no fucboi
>>46631697
lol pleb
>>46630553
THIS
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S
>>46631960
Sauce
And yes, I've already used the little blue arrow, both google and iqdb don't give me any useful links.
Also
>Fangs
>>46631960
is dat sum fatalpulse?
>>46632301
Not giving till l get my R34 of Garithos and Sylvanas.
>>46632420
isn't there some really, really shitty one at paheal.net?
>>46632472
>not posting the link
>>46630553
Implying Garithos would be a filthy racemixer
>>46632667
It's literally not worth the bandwidth. Go look it up if you want but you'll be disappointed.
>>46632420
That girl dies at the end you know
>>46632740
Of course not, but why wouldn't you fuck a bodacious piece of filthy elven ass?
>>46632795
cartoon name?
>>46632775
just post it faggot
>>46628295
>end up as a raid boss which pretty much is the worst fate in Warcraft
Isn't that the ONLY fate in Warcraft? I guess, what, Garona and Ronin managed to get out by dying heroically and then not coming back yet, but otherwise it's just a matter of time.
>>46627665
>>46630553
>>46631960
Wait, shit. Guys. I just realized. Maybe not so much with the earlier games, maybe not even with the earlier parts of WoW.
But I just realized I'm like 90% certain current Warcraft lore would be BETTER if it were a thin excuse for porn.
>THE ELF PRINCE HAS GONE INSANE
>The hot elf prince is saying racist shit about how awesome elves are, go show him who's boss
>PALADIN GOATS HAVE FALLEN FROM SPACE
>Celestial husbandos and waifus heard there was a party!
>DEATH KNIGHTS ARE GOOD GUYS KIND OF
>They're alive where it counts wink wink nudge nudge
>UHHH THAT DUDE THAT DIED GOT BETTER BUT HE'S A FIRE LIFE ELEMENTAL LORD OF DEATH BECAUSE... UH...
>The Demon Rape King has been fucked silly! Someone else grabs his sexy, sexy throne and promises to send his rape legions more consensually
>A GIANT DRAGON RUINED EVERYTHING BUT ALSO KIND OF FIXED IT
>Wow so you probably didn't know this, but dragons like having sex with their element and... anyway the world is different now
>WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED
>Does it matter? Go have sex with it!
>>46633305
>ywn save Azeroth from the Iron Horde by arranging a threesome with Yrel and Blackhand
jdimsa
>>46633305
>implying warcraft is not already a source of many porn
Warlocks get the Eredar Twins (as in Alythess and Sacroslash from Sunwell) as followers? How in the fuck.
>>46634806
Kinky
>>46634823
reminds me of the crypt lord
>>46634806
Blizzard is absolutely desperate trying to save its game by reusing BC in every way possible except the ones that actually made it good.
I dont mind this one though. Just far too little, far too late.
>>46634806
judicious application of enslave demon
>>46636653
The thing they are trying to avoid is flying, other than flying what good stuff from BC are Blizzard avoiding?
>>46636787
>other than flying what good stuff
in before "reeeeeeeee muh world pvp"
>>46636787
Actual good game design in favor of yet more garrison shit.
I could write a doctors thesis on why but this thread is for lore, not vidya.
>>46636846
Well you are welcome to try. If not here, feel free to do so in >>>/vg/138553358
>>46636787
>>46636845
If you like flying you're a piece of casual shit.
>>46636846
well the alpha testers say that they made the garrison thing completely optional and that you have to follow your followers if they call for backup.
>>46636985
literally fedora: the opinion
>>46636845
World PvP comes from having an actual active, living world, a game economy and people wanting to fuck eachother up for gains. You cant just slap down Halaa in Nagrand, or some spirit tower shit in Terokkar and hand out low level blues and expect people to fight there instead of afking in AV for welfare epics. When there is a goal to contest people will naturally fight over it even just for the fun of griefing. The isle of Quel'danas and the entrance of Karazhan were the biggest hotspots of WPvP in BC just because it was fun to fuck people over and waste their time. I recieved dozens of death threats for organizing a raid to prevent hordefags entering Karazhan on wednesdays, it was the lulziest shit ever. No wonder cata had a surge of WPvP again in the hyjal caves where you could lock people out of the ENTIRE zone and the firelands dailies which were mandatory as fuck.
There is nothing you can do to hurt people now, I cant break into their hugbox garrisons, steal their shit, slap their waifus ass and take a shit in their garrison resource chest. They can afk and queue for anything in perfect safety. Even if I get a lucky drop on someone(despite the disengage creep) they can just run away and phase to another server where I cant reach them
Flying is just a reward for reaching max level, both quality of life and a symbolic thing. You are literally soaring above the places where you have suffered before. BC did this right though, they had two entire factions and several "secret" places as 70s content after gettin flying.
>>46637028
Just like they said it in WoD alpha I assume.
>>46636985
Flying is good. If it's gated behind clearing main questlines, it's even better.
>>46637074
And there I thought your opinion might have any value. Oh well.
>>46636846
Well, the entire concept of the game is different now, its even more than mechanics.
In vanilla-BC the entire game was meant to be played out as an adventure. You start as a green recruit picking cactus apples and killing wolves and slowly progress into a capable sellsword at max level. Then you optionally cleared progressively harder and harder dungeons and raids, but there was a huge diminishing return on time and effort required. Very few people ever stepped into Naxxramas, much less kill Kelly and "beat" vanilla. BC had much of a same paradigm except much more casual friendly. The entire game is like a continous ladder you can keep climbing and have fun no matter what stage you are at because there is likely still more to come.
Then coming mid wotlk they remade everything. There are no tiers or steps of the ladder anymore, you dont need to progress anywhere because there is only three tiers. Obsolete, Catchup and Current. In the moment a new patch gets released Current is pushed into welfare Catchup and the entire rest of the game is Obsolete. Leveling isnt seen as content but as a chore worth money to skip despite being lighting fast. There is only one relevant raid ever, no point of ever going back outside cheevos. The paradigm also calls for EVERY player to "finish" every content so progressive nerfs ensure even the worst of players gets pushed to LFR and "see" the raids. Naturally, this makes the entire game a stagnating pool of fuck. Everyone raids the same raid, wears the same gear and does the same things, except with the numbers upped. Everyone afks in the same garrisons waiting for the next tier that will be consumed within weeks and then its back to afking again. Its like some kind of wow socialism.
TL:DR they changed it from climbing a mountain to running on a treadmill.
>>46637145
You have to be subtle.
>>46637403
You have a good point about the value of raids overlapping each other there.
I remember that Rag apparently dropped one of the pieces of the NEXT tier of gear, which was kinda cool, and AQ40 was not exactly a tier either.
So people were doing a bit of everything.
>>46637403
>>46637474
And that's BEFORE even counting Zul'Gurub and AQ20.
>>46637403
the worst part of WoD is the instance progression. Not only are there only 3 raids, but raiding is mandatory to be able to do mythic 5 mans because people won't even look at you if your ilevel is less than 700
>>46637651
Which is funny because mythics only drop 690 loot. So people will only let you in with them as long as you don't actually need any of the gear
What made Vanilla and (in parts) BC a good game was, ironically, that it wasn't a good game.
MMOs have okay-ish gameplay at best and usually next to no real story. Gameplay was broken in many places, most quest texts were completely uninteresting and the whole Vanilla experience was clunky as fuck.
What made playing it and MMOs fun was the adventure. It was that clunky experience, the fact that you and most people had no idea what the fuck they were doing and all the broken gamedesign that made it an ADVENTURE. Aggroing two mobs at the same time was a hard fight for most classes and an outright death sentence for some. Elite Mobs? Forget it. Questing in Arathi and you get a group quest? Better hope you are fucking lucky and at least two other players are in the zone. You want to do Blackfathom Deeps? Get ready to look an hour or two for a group, even IF you are a healer or tank.
It was a fucking adventure. The fact that you just stumbled upon random shit made it fun. The fact that being at maxlevel or having an epic mount meant something made it fun. The fact that you had a sense of accomplishment once you actually KNEW how certain mechanics or dungeons worked made it fun, because you had risen above the crowd and now YOU were the awesome group leader in dungeons.
By smoothing the game out, making it more accesible and clearer and thus a "better" game, they, ironically, made it less fun.
However, going back there wouldn't work. People are just used to how MMOs work nowadays and would be completely put off by the broken mess WoW was back then.
On /tg/ topics: I fucking miss the WoW TCG
>>46638111
checked
also, Nostalrius proved for better or worse, that people will still play a vanilla server.
>tfw all those adventures.
>playing as a warrior and keeping hordies pegged with a throwing knife in ashenvale.
>helping randos with Blackfathom deeps.
>help a paladin get his verigian's fist
Fuck whatever blizzard says, once I get ashbringer, I am going to tmog it into Verigian's fist. It was THE paladin weapon for the alliance, and it will forever be the weapon of the paladin class.
>>46638216
>Verigan's Fist
Hold up, is it still available post-Cata?
>>46638248
the quest was removed.
>>46638267
Seems like randoms in Black Temple drop a hammer with the same look, though.
>>46638347
its not the same thing anon.
I will alternate between Verigian's fist and Acherus for the pally.
Those weapons seem like they are something an adventurer might be proud to use to defend their world.
>>46638397
>Acherus
Do you mean to tell me that Paladins will be counter-invading the Ebon Blade and hijacking their base as retaliation for the Tirion heist?
>>46638530
It was Morgan Ladimore's sword.
It should be THE weapon for human paladins to Smite and purify the legion.
especially sincehis daughter is a baby eating cultist.
>>46638589
explain
>>46638759
explain what?
>>46638589
>It should be THE weapon for human paladins to Smite and purify the legion.
Because it was wielded by some faggot who murdered innocents, killed himself and was so butthurt he came back to life to keep killing innocents?
>>46638825
the Knights of the Silver Hand are responsible for hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths, so it fits
>>46638825
no, because it was a weapon of a guy who fought against horrific monsters and the only thing that kept him sane was the family he had back home. This is what the PCs are doing. They are fighting the legion for a reason. They are fighting for those who cannot fight. This is what a Paladin should do, protect the weak and the innocent. That is why it is the weapon for paladins.
>>46638883
>That is why it is the weapon for paladins.
Can't see how given it's a weapon stained with the blood of innocents.
>>46638902
because it was wielded in a noble cause once, and should be wielded in a noble cause again. Much better than 'heart of a celestial windchime Assbringer'
>>46638919
>because it was wielded in a noble cause once
And is famous only because it was used by some guy to murder innocents and then return from the dead to murder innocents. It's a DK weapon if anything.
>>46638111
I wonder how much of it was issue of people (yourself included) still learning the ropes of the game during vanilla and first expansion. Everyone was to some extent new. People were exploring because they were in strange environment they didn't know well yet.
As the player base matured and learned, though, they got better and grew in skill, and they grew familiar with the environment and knew what to expect. Novelty has waned.
Blizzard certainly casualized the game a lot - queues from anywhere in game, implementing popular mod functionality into game, making content accessible for everyone. But question is, was keeping the old system of part of the content being there only for dedicated few even viable, or was casualization necessary to if not stop then at least slow down the rate at which people parted with the game, deciding it has nothing more to offer them...
>>46638957
nah, its famous because its given to us after an incredibly atmospheric quest where we redeem the soul of a fallen paladin.
>>46638986
A large part of the game was the world you explored and ran around in, adventuring, RPing or even randomly fighting. That entire vibrant world has disappeared.
>>46639021
There's plenty of world to explore, people just choose not to.
>>46638957
Its famous because the lv34 elite Mor'ladim has slain countless lv20ish alliance adventures who weren't looking when they went into raven hill.
You never went to duskwood if Mor'ladim didn't kill you in Raven hill.
>>46639021
>nah
Yes. That is the story of the blade.
It's a cursed thing.
>>46639055
Is there a reason to explore it though?
>>46639080
so was the core of the ashbringer.
>>46639077
this is bringing back bad memories.
>>46639128
>so was the core of the ashbringer.
And it was visibly cleansed by the greatest Paladin of the time.
>>46638825
>to keep killing innocents?
If by "innocents" you mean "PCs belonging to the least attentive people" then yes.
>>46638902
So was the Ashbringer.
>>46638986
>was keeping the old system of part of the content being there only for dedicated few even viable,
It was. If everyone gets something its worthless. Exclusivity gives value.
>or was casualization necessary to if not stop then at least slow down the rate at which people parted with the game
Casualization was the REASON why people started parting with the game. Oh wait, casualization is even a misnomer because the game is incredibly causal-unfriendly and favors baddies with free time instead.
Back in early BC, I was working with a hectic shift and only played about 5-6 hours a week. I did a couple heroics, played the AH for a few minutes and did all the quests I could for rep. I was advancing, I got attuned to raids, got some money together, the badge and rept gear I slowly put together was good enough to raid, it was never obsolete and when I suddenly got shitloads of time to play I didnt had to catchup, I was already there, just shift speeds and apply to a raiding guild through all the friends I made when doing 5mans.
Apparently, blizzards idea of casual friendly is to grind 2-3 hours a day for catchup gear that will get completely obsoleted and replaced by 30-40 ilvl jumps 3-4 times every expansion pack. Hell, even if you did heroic, mythic or whatever version of raids, welfare gear handed out for free two tiers later blows it out of water. There is also no way to catch up or stay level. Grind dailies or raid. Same goes for alts. You cant just gear up an alt and leave it there for a couple months, better grind dailies on several characters.
>>46639160
And Acherus was freed of it's curse when the skellington was put to rest.
>>46639175
>If by "innocents" you mean "PCs belonging to the least attentive people" then yes.
Nah, the people of Duskwood that he kept killing.
>So was the Ashbringer.
See >>46639160
>>46639199
Nothing to say that. It's just the blade of a crazed murderer.
>>46639227
He kills a few mourners and some random bandits with it before dying.
Then he just rattles his bones and causes people to flee from raven hill.
That doesn't mean the weapon itself is evil, because it has been used to do good before.
>>46639193
>gear up an alt and leave it there for a couple months, better grind dailies on several characters.
Eh, there are a lot of welfare catch-up pieces that are BoA these days.
And apparently Legion is supposed to be a less exponential progression, almost linear really.
>>46639227
>>If by "innocents" you mean "PCs belonging to the least attentive people" then yes.
>Nah, the people of Duskwood that he kept killing.
That was a joke. Getting ganked by Mor'Ladim and Stitches was a fucking right of passage. I also remember when Morben Fel was LITERALLY invincible without the quest item, even 60s and 70s couldn't touch him.
>>46639227
>>So was the Ashbringer.
>See >>46639160
>>>46639199
>Nothing to say that. It's just the blade of a crazed murderer.
Okay you're just a fagot, it was cleansed by THE PLAYERS beating his skeleton form and giving his spirit hope by telling him his daughter was alive.
Fuck Legion for shitting on her and her boss though. Same for most of the rest of the Night's Watch, but Ladimore and Ebonlocke were favorites of mine. (Actually I sorta forgot Ladimore but always liked Ebonlocke)
>>46638759
>>46638817
In the Legion alpha, the Assassination Rogue artifact quest reveals that the Night Watch of Darkshire are now Legion collaborators and have slaughtered half the town.
I used Acherus on my warrior back in vanilla. It looked sweet and human-y not an orcish back scratcher or a fucking shovel and the proc was decent. I also really liked the idea of repaying some of the evil to the undead with a paladins swort, sort of finishing his job, bringing him closure. I liked to imagine one day his skelton will walk around as usual and gets surprised as fuck when he sees no other undead at all. Then I decided to be harcore, duod him with a hunter, killed him with his own sword and that "storyline" was spent. I put that sword in my bank and 6 years later my void storage and was done with it.
Guess I wasnt the only one thinking like this. Its impactful to players because it feels like a fix fic.
>>46639284
>He kills a few mourners and some random bandits with it before dying.
And coming back undead and killing indiscriminately.
>That doesn't mean the weapon itself is evil
No, all meaning in the sword is that it belonged to a fucktard murderer.
>>46639293
>Okay you're just a fagot, it was cleansed by THE PLAYERS beating his skeleton
Nothing implies that.
>Fuck Legion for shitting on her and her boss though.
Fuck you for wanting some pleb murderer blade rather than the Ashbringer.
>>46639355
I want to believe thats not right but after azeroth being a titan and shit I cant get mad anymore.
>>46638530
>>46638589
>>46639378
It's Archeus not Acherus
>>46639227
It's literally called RESTORED Archeus post-cata by the way, has a slightly different hilt and is a one handed tanking sword instead of having an Arcane Proc on a twohander.
>>46639408
Since the cult leader is a Stormwind castle guard ANYWAY I've been trying to convince them to have the Stormwind Reinforcements be the cultists and have the rogue HELP the Darkshire Militia but I can only do it over twitter since I haven't got an Alpha account.
>>46639400
>No, all meaning in the sword is that it belonged to a fucktard murderer.
>kill some random mobs as a tortured soul
>murderer
>empower an orc warlock, steal souls and do black magic
>some paladin spams smite on you
>emo dorf puts you in a shiny blade
>suddenly you are da bestest weapon ever.
Nah, purifying the Ashbringer would be one of the things that would have been awesome to see over the course of an entire expansion like TBC.
>>46639454
oh yeah.
>>46639378
Its funny how weapons like that remain close to people far more than the generic legendaries in WoD
>>46639481
Ashbringer and Archeus both a shit. The Retribution paladin should have gotten Verigan's Other Fist.
>>46639532
>wanting taurenshits and fruit elves to bear alliance weapons.
>>46639481
>>kill some random mobs as a tortured soul
>>murderer
He was a murder before he died. Ladimore was just a cunt.
>Nah
Yeah. Ashbringer has been a Paladin's dream since vanilla.
>>46639552
>tfw playing a Sunwalker in Legion just to cuck the Silver Hand out of Ashbringer
>>46639553
>He was a murder before he died. Ladimore was just a cunt.
>kill some people who come to rob your stuff while you are in grief
>'OMG murderer'
>Orcs bix nood around azeroth and must be forgiven because they literally drank demon blood because they wanted to conquer.
Ashbringer was one of those weapons that should never be wielded by the player.
The corrupted Ashbringer alone was hard enough to get and a storyline throughout TBC to cleanse the ashbringer would have given players incentive to run the old raids.
>>46639552
>Implying anyone gives a shit about mooladins and bright elves
The only paladins who matter are from the Alliance races.
>>46639481
>get corrupted ashbringer in vanilla after the 6 gorillion clues
>BC comes, you find the LOLRETCONNED other son and learn about the naaru and how the ashbringer was a shard of one
>you spend the entire expansion packs gathering the rarest elements and materials through a huge chain and reforge ashbringer in the sunwell, purifying it, maybe make it even a red herring, your selfless service convinces A'dal to give you a shard of himself instead of needing all that junk
>wotlk comes, you go and kill arthas who gets more and more desperate to stop you instead of the "lol I was just pretending to be retarded" plot
>after arthas dies you impale him with the ashbringer to prevent him ever reforming in the armor and bury them togetehr to counteract its evil or some shit
>next expansion pack you get an ominous mail with a plot hook to a new legendary weapon chain
But nah, that would be too "elitist", lets give everyone an Ashbringer just because.
>>46639570
>>46639553
I knew a hunter who blew his entire DKP accumulated over 1.5 years of raiding to get the corrupted one and went strutting around SW with it. He also got some random pieces of naxx loot no one needed and intentionally mis-enchanted it with str and shit.
>>46639612
>>kill some people who come to rob your stuff while you are in grief
He killed innocents grave attendants because he was butthurt.
>Ashbringer was one of those weapons that should never be wielded by the player.
I disagree. I only wish it wasn't so easy to get.
>>46639621
For his sake I hope he plays survival and mogs the ashbringer
>>46639615
Liadrin matters
She is alive
Maraad is dead.
>tfw he died so that miss mary sue might live
>>46639681
>Liadrin matters
Does she? Seems like all she's done so far in lore is hand out quests, show up to important events, and generally act as another NPC sidekick.
>>46639681
>For his sake I hope he plays survival and mogs the ashbringer
Everyone who mattered back then stopped playing WoW ages ago. Only the truly hopeless addicts and the faggots like me who sold ZA bear boosts for gamecard codes are still subbed.
I want to fuck miss mary sue tho.
>>46639668
>He killed innocents grave attendants because he was butthurt.
Yes and for that he was tormented and became a spooky skellington that the player puts to rest. He gives the player his sword in the hopes that the PC does with it what it was meant to do, namely serve the light like it had done before.
It is much better than a randomly boosted cowadin being told by MOTHERFUCKING TIRION THAT SOME FUCKING SUN WORSHIPPING COW IS THE HOPE OF THE LIGHT
THAT WEAPON WAS MADE FOR A RAISED SIR ZELIEK
What better weapon for a person who believed in the light so much that he was able to channel it even in undeath.
>>46639681
>>46639722
>matters
Wrong. Nothing matters in WoW lore. Nothing. Even Turalyon gets shit on in Legion and dies offscreen after sending a painfully generic message to his son.
>>46639763
>It is much better than a randomly boosted cowadin
Stop. In the lore only one wields the Ashbringer. If you don't want it be be a cow then don't roll a cow.
>>46639795
I would rather some lore important character wield the ashbringer than some murderhobo.
>>46639763
>THAT WEAPON WAS MADE FOR A RAISED SIR ZELIEK
You mean a raised Sir Morgraine?
Also yeah, Holy Cows (Well, Retcows) should have been more closely tied to traditional Light wielding factions instead of "Sorta Sun Druids but also not really Sun Druids at all because they use Paladin gear."
>>46639873
They should not have been added at all. They suck, both visually, thematically and lorewise.
>>46640002
Nah, fuck that. They had the right attitude to be Paladins and they are cool and giant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fea71ZhDzZ4
>>46639612
>Ashbringer was one of those weapons that should never be wielded by the player.
> Legendary are one per server thing
> You die, you loose it
Terrible idea or worst idea?
>>46638111
There is some truth to that I guess. Would we accept taking hours to find any sort of group, then take half an hour to get anywhere (getting to blackrock as an horde player was fucking long, then you have to "down the door" because pvp), and only then starting the whole thing if nobody left yet?
And who would have the time and patience to "clean" fucking Blackrock Depths? Very few did at the time, usually ending with a total different group than the one they started with.
>>46640216
>Would we accept taking hours to find any sort of group
Make friends, get into a guild, you know, be social in a massivey multiplayer online game?
>And who would have the time and patience to "clean" fucking Blackrock Depths? Very few did at the time, usually ending with a total different group than the one they started with.
Because grinding hallways with total strangers is a whole lot better. They might as well be bots and this point. People leave over dying once.
>>46639021
He was a knight, not a Paladin.
>>46640172
No.
Tauren are shit tier in literally everything.
>>46640650
centaur detected, fuck off back to Maraudon
>>46640216
UO did the one legendary per server thing.
The short answer is :no it doesn't work.
The "players are just nobodies!" players are a very small minority that BZ knows enough to ignore their ideas.
>>46641039
And when everyone gets a legendary they are literally worthless.
>>46641039
I don't want to be a total nobody, but I want some freedom from responsibility and for there to be some protagonists with actual plot ties to antagonists and stuff.
>>46640472
oh shit, right.
>>46641132
It's not totally clear if he was a Paladin on TOP of being a Knight (Many paladins were both) but it's probable he was just a high ranking knight with some magic gear.
>>46641099
Except they are not, most people are still happy about getting a orange.
Only some butt hurt edge lords are being pissed, which BZ don't care since they are too small a population and some of them don't even play WoW anymore.
>>46641110
Here's the deal.
Nobody wants to be a nobody and just part of the background for someone else's story,
there's a reason why we hate That guy snowflakes in TRPG.
MMORPG have far more people than a TRPG game, you can't get everyone hooked into the story, so the best you can do is show them they are somebody.
>>46639128
I actually found those time rather fun, since I am one of those guys who enjoy building up a character more than playing a character.
>>46641435
>
bad memories in a good way.
>>46641391
Nobody wants to be the background for someone elses story. But there's a difference between being the background character in someone else's story, and being the main character in a story that doesn't affect the vast majority of the population of a world.
I'd rather be the guy who saves a village than the guy who saves the world
>>46643638
Being war heroes and accomplished champions of our factions was far more than enough. There is literally zero need to bring the whole "chosen one" shit into the game. I was literally sickened when the greatest mortal mage on azeroth was all over my dick on the virtue of having some shitty village in WoD.
>>46643638
>I'd rather be the guy who saves a village than the guy who saves the world
But that's just shoving the responsibility onto someone else. Be the hero the world needs you to be!
>>46643675
I agree, but at the same time it make's sense for this to happen. At what point, if at all, do we stop growing? The fighting never ends, and so we never stop improving and getting stronger. Is it so far fetched that we've grown to be legendary individuals?
>>46643692
I don't want my personal story overly directed by the writers, but I also want some actual characters with story motivations to interact in grand ways and don't want the story over all to be drained of motive.
Making us our class champions is... Well it threads a dangerously thin line and may end up giving us the worst of both worlds.
And I *SERIOUSLY* don't trust Blizzard not to fuck this up.
>>46643744
Yes in an MMO it is. You cant have 200 legendary heroes running around begging for gold and running between mailboxes in cities. A hero must be discernibgle ingame.
In vanilla, when some guy in full T3 appeared with a Thunderfury or an Atiesh riding a Black Quiraji battle tank, we knew it right away he is a motherfucking hero kicking ass and taking names. The visuals even fit because vanilla gear was much more low fantasy and there were more levelling characters too. They really did look like simple mercs, footsloggers and sellswords in the process of growing into heroes.
On retail, capitals look like gay pride marches. 9001. versions of dragons, glowy dragons, rockets, robots, star dragons, glowy star dragons and shit are flying around, carrying people in spiky, glowing, mismatched clownsuits and when everyone tries to look special nobdy is. No one will believe that Arthasdklol or Húnterpwnzor in his welfare PvP gear mogged to a motley mishmash of BC sets is a hero. It looks like Blizzcon with dragon mounts. The ones who stand out the most are the guys transmogging into the SW guard armor, simply because its a uniform.
>>46643849
Speaking of the Black Qiraq battletank I wonder if any Scarab Lords still play.
>>46643905
Most of them got their titles after vanilla, during the last new realms getting released and people timed the opening so they would get the title by the hundreds.
I saw one early wod though, and he wasnt impressed I guess we both came back to check it out before leaving again.
>>46639193
>It was. If everyone gets something its worthless. Exclusivity gives value.
That's a cool opinion, but not necessarily true for everyone.
>Casualization was the REASON why people started parting with the game
It may be why you specifically parted with the game because you were frustrated that scrubs have option to see the same content as you, but for those scrubs it could be the only reason why they kept playing when it was clear that they have no chance to get into a raid.
>It was never obsolete
>You can't just gear up an alt and leave it there
Are you saying you wouldn't be a liability to the party if you went to Sunwell raid with gear from dungeons?
>>46639119
If you care about exploration and want to see cool places, it's there.
Problem is that you're not a curious 16yo anymore but an aging guy who just doesn't give a shit anymore.
>>46639055
>>46639119
>>46644015
There's still SOME fun in exploration, but they don't have as many interesting Cross zone chains to discover. I actually thought of those as great exploration and nit just for taking you to new zones, but oyu uncovered different sides of NPCs and mobs, revealed hidden interconnections between the world like how those plagued whelps ended up in Scholo. (It's the player's fault IIRC)
>>46644015
>but for those scrubs it could be the only reason why they kept playing when it was clear that they have no chance to get into a raid.
The game should not be changed to please those guys. If they suck too much to raid, then they need to work to improve themselves. Tearing down any challenging content just for them does more harm than good. And if its the case of someone just not having the time play, then honestly the game is just not for them. There are plenty of other games out there that can fit their schedule better than an MMO.
>>46644227
Mythic is still at least as hard as the old stuff.
More complex even.
And Wrath was both the highpoint and introduced a lot more casual stuff.
The issues with Cataclysm were a lot more than just adding Looking For Retards. LFR gutting certain guild activities was the bigger problem with it rather than "Casualizing" things.
Also not exactly relevant.
>>46644433
Mythic was as hard as vanilla raids, but instead of the difficulty lying in organizing 40 people in one raid, it lay in tricky mechanics.
Which was way better, 40 man raiding was hell
>>46644227
Well, so far the strategy seems to be working out all right for Blizzard. Position of WoW remains uncontested, like it or not.
>>46644648
It's really not exactly the right thread or board to talk about this branch of WoW related things, but subs are so low Actiblizzard doesn't report them for fear of scaring off investors.
>>46627381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlyEf6ZqAsQ
Tell me if you agree or disagree with any of these statements, or this train of logic, w/e
Fel/demonic magic corrupts and changes the physical form. That's why many of the burning legion looks different from their base species.
The Eredar (draenei) are one of the oldest races in the burning legion.
Doom-guards closely resemble Eredar males with cloven feet, chin tentacles, and tails. They are probably the fel mutated Eredar males. Archimonde and a couple others are exceptions.
Succubi resemble Eredar females, and are their fel mutated counter part.
Doomguards exemplify strength and power. Succubi exemplify sex and lust.
To corrupt someone, the demons prey upon and amplify someones base and sinful traits.
Draenei girls are all unparalleled sluts, at least on the inside. Q.E.D.
>>46644978
This has been known for some time.
>>46644978
Good for porn and magical realms, but untrue. Doomguards, succubi etc are not in any way related to the eredar, they are separate species.
>>46627381
>Speaking of Maiev, how the hell can anyone hold a grudge for 10,000 years?
Iirc, she very much blamed him for the destruction of the nelf empire. Almost as much as she blamed Aszhara. Trying to kill her brother just made it personal. And immortal elves have been known to hold grudges for a really, really long time.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hrzxOSU.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
> if you like lore so much, why don't you contribute to wowpedia anon?
> if you like WoW vanilla so much, why don't you help adding all the relevant information to the wiki so people won't forget about all these cool details?
what's your answer /tg/?
>>46645178
Because I'd need a private server to refresh myself on Vanilla lore.
>>46645120
according to what they're a separate species?
![200px-Draenei_Refugee[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sHkrsOu.jpg "200px-Draenei_Refugee[1].jpg")
>>46645203
That's what I thought too, but even I could do some stuff like add how Kum'isha the collector actually opened a small rift to Outland at the end of his quest
>>46645247
Exodar Holographic Emitter
>>46645270
Convenient that the Draenei classify their fallen cousins as a different species. Considering the same "holographic emitter" also classifies the Eredar as a different "species" I'm going to call bullshit.
>>46644978
For a second, I forgot what QED meant and thought that it meant "Quantum Entanglement Device"
Holy crap, what if Draenei have QED's??
>>46645317
The emitter also goes out of its way to point out that Eredar are related to the Draenei.
Go fuck yourself.
>>46645361
Someone sounds butthurt. I guess you're the type of person that would also bible thump the Star wars Christmas special as cannon?
>>46645406
not that anon you're arguing with, but the lore says that they are two separate species until proven otherwise. you can headcanon all you want of course but that won't make it true
>>46645426
Solid argument. How could anyone possibly refute that?
>>46645429
well, yes, how?
>>46645406
You started to be abrasive when it was politely pointed out to you that your fetish theory is bullshit.
Please accept provided item to aid you in your effort to go fuck yourself.
>>46645466
Damn it, I just fapped 5 times today...It's not possible to get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome due to constant masturbation, is it?
>>46645486
Only one way to find out, Anon.
Do it for science, make your nation proud.
>>46645466
If retardation was measured on a scale ranging form Donald Trump to Sarah Palin, Do you think you would be between 1.2 Ann Coulters and .8 Glenn Becks?
>>46645444
IDK man, I'm sure you're intelligent enough to figure it out yourself.
>>46645553
> not even answering the question
you sure look like the intellectual winner in this debate anon
