If Khorne doesn't care about honor or whatever and just wants blood to flow, why does he hate Tzeentch? What's the functional difference between smashing a civilian's skull in with an axe versus using sorcery to kill a bunch of civilians at once?
Actually, that reminds me: when a space marine falls to chaos, what legion does he join?
>>46618191
Yes, there is.
Space Marines either find whichever warband which suits them best, or falls with a bunch of brethren and they make their own warband. Many are absorbed into Black Legion, but entire chapters can form their own, like the Crimson Slaughter.
>>46618191
What's the functional difference between a steamroller and a lightning bolt, anon? They'll both kill you dead.
Khorne doesn't like certain sorcerers because they don't have to try as hard to do way more damage than say, a dude with a sword. Khorne is fine with self augmentation, but not waving your arms and dissapearing a tank
>>46618191
because Khorne does care, He cares that it was shed in honorable combat.
>>46618191
Because Khorne thinks anyone not using a close combat weapon or their bare hands to kill something is a gigantic faggot.
>>46618357
So, what, Khorne hates efficiency? Or is it not putting yourself at risk that irks him?
>>46618440
>>46618191
It's more that the power of the Warp is the domain of gods and daemons, so a sorcerer using the Warp to kill his enemies is basically using power that does not belong to him. Khorne believes that skill of arms and strength is what makes a warrior, which is why he's okay with guns and daemon-possessed weapons, because those still require physical skill to use.
>>46618440
Yeah, if you don't put yourself at risk then there's less chance that your blood will flow. He wants as much blood flowing as possible, having your side be sorcerers removes half the potential for flowing blood.
>>46618191
>>46618411
>khorne
>honorable
I'd say "honest" would be more accurate than "honorable". If Khorne was honorable in any way he would not condone the slaughter of absolutely everybody, since some cannot fight back.
What Khorne likes is a straight up fight, with screaming, bleeding, and broken bones, whatever edgelord shit you can come up with. He hates Tzeentch because Tzeentch is a tricky bastard and isn't really playing the whole brutal war game, and might change things to not brutal edgy war because he thinks it's funny. Also nobody likes Tzeentch except Tzeentch because change fucks everybody over.
Because Khorne seems to be fundamentally fragmented between a facet that demands mindless slaughter and nothing else, and another that demands and glorifies martial skill and honour, and demands worthy kills.
This dichotomy is made manifest in the two things Khorne demands- blood and skulls
He demands the blood of any and all creatures be shed in his name, and he demands the skulls of worthy, powerful foes be collected in his name.
These two facets seem to have fundamental clashes in where they stand on basic things like the slaughter of powerless noncombatants or what counts as the betrayal of one's own allies, but they both share the preferrence for a headstrong approach in combat, and as such, a disdain for Tzeentch's tricky sorcerous ways.
Most importantly, what both these facets value is putting one's self at great risk to carry out martial feats, and embracing the very real possibility of one's own blood and skull becoming the offering they sought to gather for Khorne in their pursuit. This is where the Tzeentchian methodology of deceiving the enemy and never letting them get a fair shot at one's self must inspire the greatest disdain in Khorne and his followers.
If a follower of Tzeentch finds themselves in enemy fire, they've already fucked up somewhere along the line. A Khornate will put themselves in enemy fire on purpose, to prove their worth. Such is what the Blood God demands.
Do Nurgle and Khorne really hate the Khemri and Undead?
Would Khorne support claw in blood bowl? On one hand it is a mutation, on the other it is one of the best kill skills in the game
>>46618411
>honorable
Not this again. Khorne gives no fucks about honor. Chainsawing pregnant women and children while half choking from raucous laughter and a mouth full of gore is as valid to him as murdering a guy in a duel.
His units are called Berserkers, not Knights.
>>46618593
>>46618749
Shit the way some of you guys wright I'm scarred to think there might actully be real Khorn cultists out there. Still it could give Isis a run for it's money. Could be fun.
>>46618606
>whatever edgelord shit you can come up with.
Is Khorne okay with teleporting behind someone and unsheathing your katana?
>>46618827
>teleporting
SORCERY
>>46618807
It's like >>46618749 said. There are diffrent facets to the faith. Some Khorners say every kill counts, others that only the worthy count. Like how christians can argue over whether Jesus is god or not.
>>46618862
Khornates can care. Khorne doesn't. Khorne does care if they produce some interesting or entertaining results, though.
But don't try and sit on top of your own pile of skulls. Khorne gets kind of mad if you try and infringe on his image.
>>46618862
Arguing is Jesus isn't god hasn't been a thing for a long long time. It's basically top blasphemy.
>>46618960
>Top Blasphemy
>>46618845
>What are displacer fields
>What is Terminator armor
>>46618191
You can't be cool and collective in a knife fight. You can be when you press a button and nuke people from orbit.
Blood is merely the result of anger and rage Khorne feeds on. He merely asks for a simple offering of blood and skulls, and he receives madness.
>>46619146
>You can't be cool and collective in a knife fight.
You can if your name is Leon Scott Kennedy.
>>46618907
Honor and martial pride are things that khornes followers can use to justify their actions, but khorne himself gives no fucks. Some converts might not be okay with slaughtering women and children because it's beneath them, but tell themselves its okay to slaughter anyone who fights back. Just something to help the more "sane" ones cope. Not all khornates are mindless berserkers, some may have codes of honor and conduct that basically make them Bret Knights but in red
>>46619260
Keep in mind also that many Khornates are master tacticians who will opt to inflict maximum casualties on the enemy while minimizing their own casualties. Dead soldiers cannot fight, after all, and strategic prowess is just as important to a warrior as personal strength and skill.
>>46618411
>Honor
Yeah no he's a fucking personification of pure wrath and unbridled fury and doesn't give a fuck about "HONUR" all he cares for is more skulls for his throne, no matter where it comes from as long as it keeps coming in droves.
>>46618411
>honourable combat
Is that why his chosen champion just murders his own without reason?
>>46618191
>If Khorne doesn't care about honor or whatever and just wants blood to flow, why does he hate Tzeentch?
He is his biggest rival.
>when a space marine falls to chaos, what legion does he join?
Either Black Legion or some warband.
>>46618827
Your Katana should not be sheathed.
>>46618440
But Khorne isn't about efficiency or grand plots. Khorne represents honesty, stubbornness and survival of the fittest. The reason that he doesn't just pick up one of Tzeentch's spell books and start screwing around is because that's not what he embodies.
The 4 chaos gods are roughly balanced to the 4 humours as a simple way of representing the collective psyche's of the galaxies inhabitants. They aren't quite sentient in the way that we understand it. Khorne's thoughts are just the echo of violence, thus he strives to spread suffering. Tzeentch's plots are the culmination oh the petty shemes of mortals going back thousands of years.
In the end. Khorne doesn't care about anything because he is what he is, just like the other 3 chaos godsand Malal
>>46619246
Why can Capcom never make a RE as good as that one again? REmakes nonwithstanding of couse
>>46619126
Who needs armour when it's just slowing you down as you chase fleeing guardsmen?
>>46620173
But how do I unsheath it unless I sheath it first?
>>46621121
>Fleeing guardsmen
Not on my watch.
>>46621139
Your weapon is too fancy for Khorne. Have you considered an axe? Or perhaps your teeth?
>>46621139
Fuck sheaths. Fuck scabbards. The only sheath you need is blood, the only scabbard the ribcages you bury your weapon in.
For fuck's sake, do you even Blood God?
>>46621162
Congratulations, you are strong. You die first.
>>46619146
Psykers lose their shit all the time though.
>>46621323
Until they cast spells frothing at the mount and filled with animalistic bloodlust, they can go suck on a lemon.
>>46618191
because he does care about honour. its one of his things. though not mentioned as much in recent fluff.
>>46625603
No. You are strictly 100% wrong, Khornates sometimes have reference to 'martial pride' (like they esteem themselves as killers highly and take themselves seriously) but it is not a matter of 'recent fluff.'
Khorne being an honorable guy comes from one source alone -- Renegades 2e, the Adeptus Titanica (sp) book for eldar, orks, and chaos.
>>46621121
because otherwise they are guaranteed to mow you down first?
In the first 2 editions of 40k Khorne was the armor guy, and in the first edition he was also the techie guy
>>46620059
Space Marines seem like worthy foes.
>>46618862
Mate, you're like 1700 years behind the power curve on things Christians argue about.
>>46618191
Khorne DOESN'T hate Tzeentch, any more than he hates Nurgle.
The oppositions are Khorne - Slaanesh
Tzeentch - Nurgle
>>46618191
GW dont give a bright blue shit about the consistency of their lore, so what you said unfortunaately makes sense now.
when khorne was an actual god of war, not just a paraplegic overpowered sociopath, he cared about honour in battle, and only good kills being considered worthy of the skull throne. if you start a fight you know you cant lost - like murderfucking a small village - then you dont get into the brass halls because you didnt earn it.
and he believed that using magic was simply not honourable. how could you have honour in your kill, if you used the stolen power of the gods to do it? you have to use your own mortal strength, cunning and power to overcome your enemies.
but of course, now khorne is just about MURDERFUCK MURDERFUCK MURDERFUCK all the time. all depth has been removed, just like the other gods.
>>46625858
>Khorne DOESN'T hate Tzeentch, any more than he hates Nurgle.
False.
He distrust Tzeentch and views him as his main rival.
>>46625886
Your entire post is fanfiction you pulled out of your butt. You are a cunt that should be beaten to death with clubs and axes.
>>46625937
>He distrust Tzeentch and views him as his main rival.
Says the guy who cites a page where ... Tzeentch isn't brought up. The only fluff painting Khorne as particularly opposed to Tzeentch is Black Crusade, which needed to give each chaos god two opposites to make its weird alignment system work.
>>46618191
Khornes opposite is slaanesh, just as Tzeentchs opposite is nurgle.
He may hate Tzeentch, but khorne is the most blunt and self serving of the gods while Tzeentch is the most obtuse and obfuscated of the gods.
Warp trickery is backwards and confusing while a sword in the hand is reassuring and straightforward. It has obvious results earned by the sweat of your brow.
Tzeentch favors shortcuts sprung from cunning.
It's just a personality mismatch.
>>46625961
Why am I surrounded by idiots? The source I presented is in response to that "Khorne was honorable" cunt.
Tzeentch has been said to be Khorne's main rival in plenty of sources most recent among them is the Warriors of Chaos army book 8th ED.
>>46625886
>how could you have honour in your kill, if you used the stolen power of the gods to do it?
Because it is not a theft. You have to fucking wrestle them to shoot lighting. It ain't that easy. You gotta punch in the dick the fucking demons who want to rape you before using psychic powers. It's not like sorcery (even if nu-GW says it's the same)
>>46626006
Continued....
(picture related)
I am sick and tired of your shit, /tg/. I really am. Do your homework. Know your fluff.
Download this app and get to work.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/apps/warhammer-quiz-app.html
>>46620059
>>46619892
>>46618807
You guys do recall that Khorne has a favored demon who's entire purpose is to seek out the strongest enemy champions and slay them in personal combat, right?
And while Khorne accepts blood no matter where it comes from, his other offering, skulls, are an entirely different matter. He's not too keen on those that would offer him the skulls of the weak, the helpless, or those that offered the champion no challenge.
Blood represents Khorne's mindless fury.
Skulls represent his martial honor and respect for strength.
>>46626069
>He's not too keen on those that would offer him the skulls of the weak, the helpless, or those that offered the champion no challenge.
Except that Khornates have built skull mountains from the skulls of hapless victims and offered them to Khorne.
Quit trying to force honour on Khorne.
>>46626112
They build those on battlefields, after killing soldiers. And those are shrines, rather than specific offerings to Khorne.
>>46626133
Actually, they built those from all they had killed. Which includes everyone, from warriors to peasants.
Warlords in Realm of Fire build those as offering to Khorne. The largest one belonged to (picture related).
>>46618191
>MAGIC IS FOR FAGS
>FUCK NERDS
>>46625625
>Khorne being an honorable guy comes from one source alone -- Renegades 2e, the Adeptus Titanica (sp) book for eldar, orks, and chaos.
There are more, but they're outliers, and no one actually knows them anyway.
>>46620059
They were cowards, thus dishonourable.
>>46618825
>not knowing about /k/hornites
>not knowing they're like what radical islam is to islam but for The Holy Order of the /K/ube
>>46618191
Khorne doesn't care about what blood is flowing, but he does care about HOW LONG it takes for the blood to flow.
Sorcery takes too long. He wants blood now, dammit, even if you have to just stab your best bud to get that sweet sweet blood.
But don't forget he wants skulls, too!
I always got the feel that with Khorne, it isnt really about the technicalities and more about the "spirit".
I mean, the blood pact is a pretty serious military force that makes use of stuff like artillery and snipers to not get tactically assfucked by the guard.
Those arnt exactly the kind of weapons a Berzerker would choose but they are used with the intent of prolonging their war and bloodshed and that makes it ok.
Basicly, make war and dont look like a bitch while doing it. Bonus points for close combat and edgy stuff like decorating everything with skulls or eating your enemies.
>>46618191
Think of it this way, Khorne is a jock. He likes tackling people at football. Tzeentch is like the science geek, he isn't very buff but is pretty smart. Nurgle is the tough kind-of outcast pothead who listens to death metal; he smells pretty bad but he can kick some ass if necessary. Now Slaanesh is the new exchange student who just happens to be a manslut with a pierced nipple.
Technically it's the jock's job to beat up the nerd, but manslut just showed up and is stealing all the wiminz so jock wants to make him learn his place. Outcast dude isn't a jock, but he's the last thing to catch jock's attention in the current situation. This is what Chaos is, literally an eternal high school with Khorne being that one asshole.
>>46626238
>There are more, but they're outliers, and no one actually knows them anyway.
So you got nothing?
>>46626439
I like to point out that Khorne berserkers are to Khorne followers what Rubricae are to Tzeentch followers and Noise Marines are to Slaanesh followers -- ie just one possibility among many. A human Khornate is generally better off grabbing an autocannon than derping his way into melee.
>>46626644
This.
Just a regular human and can barely hold a chainaxe let alone reap a battle fied with?
You say if you even tried you'd just get shot before you were an actual threat?
Have you tried, i dunno, a big machinegun or something you CAN use?
Whats that? You say if you place a mounted machinegun at one corner of the field and another with a buddy about 50 meters downfield you'd turn the place into a bloodbath ensuring a more fighting to come? Well shit, son! Why the fuck aren't you enplaced yet?! Just don't hit your big space bros....unless they're the only source of blood and skulls left.
>>46626622
>Indeed, no Chaos Power is wholly one sided, for no human or other creature is wholly good or evil, and likewise neither are their shadow-selves. For example, along with violence and bloodshed Khorne has inherited the warrior’s sense of honour and martial virtue.
>>46626851
>The Blood God epitomizes the martial virtues which they hold dear, including a harsh disciplinary code, binding rules governing their conduct as honourable warriors, and, of course, a life of almost continual blood-letting.
>>46618191
The chaos gods don't make sense it's in there nature
>>46627370
This.
If the Chaos Gods made sense, then they'd just be regular Gods, wouldn't they?
>>46618191
>and just wants blood to flow, why does he hate Tzeentch?
Too much plotting, not enough killing. Also, Tzeentch is another Chaos god, a guy killing for Tzeentch doesn't kill for Khorne.
>>46626447
>tfw Khorne is tsundere
>>46618191
>If Khorne doesn't care about honor or whatever and just wants blood to flow, why does he hate Tzeentch?
Because Tzeentch killing people is more incidental.
>Actually, that reminds me: when a space marine falls to chaos, what legion does he join?
None/Whoever is in the Maelstrom, because a sole SM making it to the EoT in one piece is beyond unlikely.
PROBABLY Word Bearers, they seem fairly willing to take fuckups.
>>46626447
God it's so fucked up that you're right
He's a chaotic god out to deceive as many as possible into becoming his slaves to darkness. Shit's hilarious when people think he's going to be consistent and honest about goals, methods and followers.
Tzeench is the guy betting on khorns performance in games, which he enhance with drugs brought from nurgle with money he gayned by prostituting slaneesh's deviancy
All of which is done via human proxies and none will ever know there was a plot
>>46618191
The raging berserker is the lowliest of Khorne's servants. Read the Chaos Demon Codex.
Khorne is only mildly interested in the slaughter of civilians. He fucking loves Warriors being slaughtered in his name.
>>46618787
Nurgle is ambivalent to undeath, as his rot puts many in death like states, but he probably dislikes the prolonging of life past it's end point, khorne definatly hates them
>>46618191
Because Tzeentch isn't just about killin niggas.
Tzeentch would use honor to manipulate people into believing they are doing something good but at the last second they realize their honor caused billions of people to die, but then in the last seconds of life you think there still might be hope because the Emperor liked your honor but then lol nope
>>46626035
Wait psionics and sorcery aren't the same? I thought psykers were just space wizards
>>46626155
The Goretide are bloated retards who've been bored of a few centuries
>>46630700
Warp is the source of all the power, but in the case of psykers they tap into the warp themselves and command it with their minds, channeling its energies into reality. Sorcery is often done via a medium, such as daemonic pacts, artifacts of great power, spells and symbols. It's all warp energy, but how it's attained and used is slightly different.
>>46621162
one thing I never understood about the background is why the Chaos gods don't actually still give imperials their 'gifts'. Despite them being claiming to be enemies of chaos the actions they need to take to survive still end up feeding them just as much as their own worshippers. Obviously the imperium doesn't welcome such gifts/mutations but as humanity seem to be in their gaze I don't see how they could avoid it.
>>46630773
So if GW revered this subtle distinction khorne would in theory be ok with psykers (naturally gifted with the talent) but hate sorcerers for trying to worm about deals
>>46630786
Because the game they play only works if the imperium thinks chaos isn't benafits ingredients from its existance more then any other faction
>>46621220
Best day ever.
>>46618191
He hates Tzeentch because Tzeentch sometimes makes things happen without bloodshed, which is a missed opportunity for Khorne.
>>46630841
God Damm phone with its auto correct
>>46626043
Man, you must be *really* fun to have around the game store.
>>46630888
>Carnac anon at the game store
A terrible thought.
>>46630888also I don't normally do this but holy shit those digits
truly the Lord of Skulls has blessed this thread
>>46630888
>>46631233
>there are people who have to actually deal with carnac in real life
Jesus Christ, how have they not killed him yet?
>>46625886
>when khorne was an actual god of war, not just a paraplegic overpowered sociopath, he cared about honour in battle
When was this, because the only mention I've seen Khorne giving two shits about honor is in 2nd edition Epic 40,000 Renegades book. Everyone else only mentions that he doesn't care about honor, only that blood is spilled.
>>46626006
The same one that gives Khorne daemons Hatred against Slaanesh daemons and not Tzeentch ones?
Tzeentch might rival him in power and position (Slaanesh is, after all, the youngest and least powerful), but when it comes to animosity between the gods, it's Khorne and Slaanesh, and Nurgle and Tzeentch.
>>46630824
Basically.
Remember, Khornate Daemons still use their psychic abilities to enter the material realm, beguile and trick mortals, possess them, and create phenomenon like blood rain and skull hail in the name of the Blood God. They do these things, however, as an extension of their own internal power, and always with the intention of getting closer to the foe and slaughtering them with their own two hands.
