What would a space opera setting be like if it was based on Russian culture?
>>46550802
If Youtube is any indication, a bunch of idiots crashing spaceships into each other.
>>46550802
CHEEKI
>>46550802
A mixture of Russian space dashcams and metro
>>46550802
ANU CHEEKI BREEKI CYCKA BLYAT PROVIDE PROOFS
IINNNN SSPPPAACCCE
https://youtu.be/KCnDAPCQqiA?t=147
Like this. In space.
>>46550802
A debris field
>>46550802
Let's see. From my perspective, all the tech would be geared towards maximum dependability. Multiple backup systems would probably be mentioned all the time.
When shit actually works the engineers will be like - hell yeah, we sure know how to build 'em.
When shit hits the fan, they will be like - Oh well, told you this shitty thing would explode. Good thing the system is quintuple redundant.
Function will be all, aesthetically pleasant design will be the province of the wealthy and powerful.
Sentient computer programs probably won't be too common. Non-invasive medicine probably won't develop much, but organ and limb replacement technology probably will.
>>46550802
I think this is interesting.
What sort of Russia are we talking? There's a lot of it.
Assuming I were an author writing about this I'd pick a pallette of:
1. Tsarist depressing as fuck space peasants with space Moscow.
2. Strugatsky level weirdness
3. Soviet propaganda but real - the glorious march of the people to the stars
4. Modern Russia is a fascinatingly weird place as well (though different to #2) above.
I feel a setting coming on if anyone is interested I'll post results
>>46550853
>>46550952
>>46550958
>>46551781
As an authentic non-space Russian, I am intrigued.
>>46550802
Tsar Wars.
The Mandate or Nikolai Dante provide examples.
You would have spacegun AKs.
Everyone would be stuck in flotillas made from ruined spaceships.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E72v6G9JHY
>>46551781
Yes please!
Orion Battleships will atom bomb their way to the Stars!
Cosmo Marines on red armored suits shall fire the glorious Korobov TKB-022!
The Kuiper Belt shall be the new Siberia!Squats shall rise once again!
http://www.dawnofvictory2289.com/nations-of-the-orion-arm/#the-soviet-union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeUkrlxQ98&nohtml5=False
>>46551879
>not space mosins
Well there is a "Zavtra Voina" series by Aleksandr Zorich that is about glorious russian federation fighting filthy space kebabs.
Russians have better tech and cat girls, kebabs have clones and element of surprise.
Defensiveness bordering on paranoia, on the one hand, combined with assertiveness bordering on pugnacity, on the other. Fear about vulnerability and an appetite for achieving security and status by expansion, a valuing of coercive power or status imparted by higher authority, and a tendency to resolve political disputes by struggle and intrigue, occasionally by force.
I don't know, but it gets worse somehow.
Their main enemy is the ULS, the United Lunar States
Think the US, but with the moons of Jupiter and Saturn
>>46551717
> Multiple backup systems would probably be mentioned all the time
Or more like:
> Ivan our navigation computer broke.
> REALLY BROKEN.
> BLYAATTTTT
>>46554747
Wouldn't made more sense for the Russians to get Jupiter or Saturn due the whole planetary radiation and unlimited hidrogen resources?
>>46551781
>>46551717
This "Russian reliability" meme needs to die. If anything Russian breaks its broken and needs a crap ton of time to fix.
>>46551781
Tsarist space is best space
More like you can fix anything with a hammer and some few space peasants conscripts.
>>46553505
> Onboard glorious generic soviet space battleship.
> Reactor is being a giant cunt
> Radiation alarms go off
> Conscripted men run around trying to fix it but like all soviet conscripted men, lack the experience to do such thing.
> Officers kick and punch their men into submission and regain order.
> Reactor is fucked. No amount of hammering will fix it.
> Gotta get to port.
> Gotta get to port. Send men inside
>>46553723
I barely understood a quarter of what I read
>>46555195
Wait the Mandate is still alive?
>>46555137
That is assuming the do not ships fall apart from the poorly constructed hulls and reactors stemming from their race to get new ships into their space fleet.
>>46554359
A massive kleptocracy. Just like the real deal!
>>46555420
I doubt it. I just grabbed a bunch of wallpapers ages ago because I like the theme.
>>46555178
>If anything Russian breaks its broken and needs a crap ton of time to fix
Care to provide examples? You "reliability meme" is obviously based on Soviet weapon systems. Actually a lot of consumer goods were made for durability over aesthetics too.
>>46555420
Supposedly, they release the game this year.
>>46555424
That has never stopped the Russians from colonizing Siberia.
>>46555506
> Soviet Consumer goods.
> Durable
Also a meme. Majority of quality soviet items were military in nature. /k/ would give you a earful on how horrendously crap soviet high technology is.
>>46550802
EVE online
>>46555506
I take it you never heard of the trabant?
>>46555698
Dude, I'm Russian. Tell me more about "memes" about my country, it's very amusing.
Also >listening to crazy shithole which is /k/
>>46555698
>Listening to /k/.
>>46555746
>GDR
>Russia
>>46555698
>Listening to /k/
>About non-gun things
>Sometimes even some of the gun things
>>46555764
>russians can tell their shit doesn't stink
>>46556125
Yep, we can. And meme spurting idiot like you can't.
>>46556175
>russians
Not even once.
>>46556264
Дaвeчa я вaшy мaтyшкy cнoшaл зeлo peтивo.
>>46556320
Say more shit in greek.
>>46555698
Russikies are a few decades ahead of the west in cybernetics.
I was shocked when I found out actually, but yeah, the majority of "Western Breakthroughs" are things that the Soviets were doing on a lark before the fall.
>>46550802
weird Russian Orthodox church icons/shrines dedicated to Yuri Gagarin and Laika
>>46556342
A пaпeнькa вaш зa cим нaблюдaл
>>46550802
really sad and introspective. And it might not make a lot of sense at first glance.
>>46556371
A nanehbka baw ea cnm hagnohan. Gibberish to me!
>>46556403
Your translator is shit. It's Russian with some archaic forms.
>>46556429
I am my translator, thanks for asking. I never claimed to know this moonlanguage.
>>46555764
Go back to sasach and sit on bottle, faggot.
Space Bodarks. Yiffing everything they could get their hands on. In order to combat the threat, the US and Russia pooled together their resources in order to create a weapon to combat the space werewolves: space marines. Only..very few people survive the procedure. They then proceed to clone the survivors, then clone the clones, then clone the clones..until we get physically and mentally retarded space marines. Through the use of augmentations and power armor, they can offset their degradation.
Also catgirls. And they really like Manyakis too. So lots and lotsa lewds. And rockets on everything.I just based the space marines thing on Grineer, didn't I?
Hopefully something that includes a Fyodr Karamazov and all the shenanigans that go with him and his sons
>>46556542
What does the emperor's tts have to do with this?
>>46556352
HAHAHAHAHA what nonsense.
>>46556463
Fuckin Ruskies always thinking we know everything about the moon
>>46556352
>soviet cybernetics ahead of the world
>things that never happened
>>46555764
I look at you Russkie, and I see nothing but a comrade.
The only thing that foils a bromance for the ages is your opinions on Classic Liberal values.
>>46556663
Backwards assholes, am I right?
>>46556663
>Moon conspiracy confirmed
I trusted you America. We could be banging alien chicks right now, but no you just had to go sodomize some middle eastern guys for oil
>>46556735
>moon conspiracy
You saying that is proof you're illuminiati.
>>46556735
Those camel rapers were asking for it.
>>46556774
You can't prove the camels didn't enjoy it!
>>46556774
Yeah, and I was asking to go bang some alien chicks, but we don't always get what we want
>>46556750Shhh..what do I have to do to keep your mouth shut? You want Europe? Australia?Catgirls?
>>46550802
There is a russian saying that roughly translates to "mould candy from shit." A russian space station would be a filthy place made up of scrap metal, spot welds, and duct tape.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-mir-space-station-was-a-marvel-a-clusterfuck-and-an-underdog-hero
>>46556801
A little of column A, a little of column B...
>>46556801Give me aids
>>46556801
But I wanted to bomb brown people, and it happened. So the moral of this story is non Americans don't always get what they want.
>>46556601
>>46556664
The myoelectric transmission method was commercially avalible in the USSR in 1958. Electromyography is considered cutting edge in the western cybernetics industry today and the Russians were doing it over half a century ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosthesis#Myoelectric
>>46556821
What do expect from Russia's 90s?
>>46556842
Neither do Americans? What's that? Change? Never heard of it? Join the Illuminati, and we'll change America. We'll make America great again..by enforcing disparity, and making sure that all the rights and power are held by our members. Then will trickle down whatever is necessary for the poor fools' survival. Not directly of course. Boxes upon boxes.
>>46556835
Please proceed to your local clinic for..examination.
>>46556822
Done. And a few million dollars are now deposited to your brand new account
>>46556897
Catgirls ahoy. Now I'm a one percenter.
>>46556873
This does not mean they were decades ahead. This was a advancement using principals already understood and continuously researched on at that time period. Soviet researchers made the logical choice and put two and two together.
Harsh environment, people are superstitious as a whole but many are deeply religious/spiritual, everything kind of looks like shit but still works, initially everyone is suspicious and angry but then they warm up and become like a second family. Everyone is stubborn and will gladly cut off their nose to spite their face.
>>46556873
You don't actually know what 'cybernetics' means, right?
Hint: it's got nothing to do with artificial limbs.
About myoelectric prosthetics:
- Myoelectric arms aren't cutting edge. Myoelectric legs are, but Russians didn't have them.
- Current cutting edge in arms is direct nerve connection.
- Soviets had no more cutting edge in powered prosthetics than the Romans had in steam engines thanks to Heron of Alexandria.
The Soviets had a mixed record as far as science goes. Some stuff ahead of the West, some behind it.
>>46557213
Largest difference between the west (usa) and the soviet union in terms of tech is that soviet education was focused on creating a workforce of capable engineers, chemists, etc etc, but the usa put more emphasis on original research.
My grandmother ended up working as a pharmacist but worked in a chemical laboratory that manufactured rocket fuel (in secret) for a few years since she had the chemical education. Another relative worked on rocket engines.
(The other side of my family was far more blue-collar.)
Also, to explain the commie blocks buildings that many people lived in and still live in, those were built because they were simple, warm, hardy, and because wwii left the country in shambles and people needed homes.
>>46557159
Cybernetics is the field of research involving the man/machine interface.
Using Myoelectric sensors as a switch for an actuator is a man/machine interface. If I was harping on the prosthesis itself then that would be silly. Lithium batteries and better, smaller actuators will naturally make a better actuator.
Direct Nerve connection is a dead end at the moment. The connections are rejected and glial tissue forms, reducing the sensor's sensitivity.
>>46557096
If you want to make the argument that it was an engineering solution rather than a scientific advancement then by all means. Russians still did it before the West, and practical implementation philosophies shouldn't be discarded.
And lets not forget the space race, that Russia won. Though I'm not saying getting a man on the moon was an incredibly more impressive feat than simply making it to orbit.
I get the whole national pride thing, I do, but you guys should at least try and be pragmatic about technological advancements. Sandniggers invented modern math and geometry, Chinks had gun powder centuries before the west did, the only group that's not contributed anything scientific to the American Empire and the west are niggers. Get over it.
>>46557434
>Sandniggers invented modern math and geometry
A lot of math was invented by Indians, and only adapted/spread by Arabs.
>>46557434
>contributed scientifically to the American Empire
>couldn't even figure out the wheel
>>46557434
What deeply rustled my jimmies was the claim of >decades ahead.
Decades/centuries ahead would be Arab armies first seeing the western armies for the first time since the crusades.
>>46557525
Is this what we do now? Just belittle a specific cohorts contributions to scientific advancement because we disagree with their ideologies?
I don't like Communism and Islam as much as the next libertarian, but disregarding their achievements leads to complacency.
>>46557647
I hate to break it to you but a decade is 10 years, decades plural is 20 years. they had a (what they considered at least) commercially viable prototype in 1958, that is over 5 decades ago and there has only recently been a commercial roll out for Myoelectric Prosthetics in the West, and only really to vets.
>>46557639
>Native Americans
>PeopleI kid, but you're not exactly wrong. At least I think so, unless they had some agricultural techniques I'm not aware of, which is unlikely considering they were nomadic.
>>46557738
>Native Americans
>People
Hey man, they gave us beef jerky, they can build all the casinos they want.
>>46557639
To be fair, they were a post-apocalyptic people whose civilization had collapsed due western pathogens to such extent that their sedentary ancestor became stuff of legends and myth instead of memory or history in record time. Not that they were that advanced before their fall. It's one of the reasons why North-America seemed so unpopulated to Western colonists.
>>46557795
Their ancestors managed to fight zombies and yet they themselves died to diseases and aliens. Damn, what a way to go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8hvyjZWHs
>>46557738
>I don't like Communism and Islam as much as the next libertarian, but disregarding their achievements leads to complacency.
Being a little defensive? I didn't say Arabs contributed nothing, but the idea of zero as we know it today, as well as trigonometry, are Indian inventions and were spread to the West by Arabs, who were one of the few societies that did not completely destroy the science and culture of the lands they conquered. Give credit where credit is due, and not all the credit can be given to Arabs.
Regarding Native Americans, Mayan science was fairly advanced, especially in terms of astronomy. Not only were they the second of two cultures to independently develop a concept of zero, they were one of five cultures to develop a unique form of writing (China, India, Arabia, and Egypt were the others, and all "western" left-to-right alphabetic forms of writing derive from Sumerian). Much of Mayan (and other American) science and culture was intentionally destroyed, but enough writing survived to be later deciphered. Incidentally, Yuri Knorozov of the ussr contributed much to deciphering Maya script.
>>46550802
A little brighter. Less dominated by megacorporations.
>>46557922
>Being a little defensive?I just want to drink vodka with the slavs and you guys are ruining it
>>46558040
Vodka is Polish.
Medovukha and kvas are more Russian than vodka.
Unless you mean to include Poland etc with "slavs" but Poland is West Roman/Catholic instead of East Roman/Byzantine/Orthodox like Russia.
>>46555764
WELL YOU SEE Ivan, when you use internets, is much easier if you smile and not and pretend you know what is going on.
>>46550802
Two shuttles, Russian and American, arrive at the Sun–Earth L1 point. The Russian one is old and rusty; the American one is new and shiny.
On the Russian one, the crew lounges about without any order, and a drunken captain yells at them: "Who threw a valenok on the control board? I'm asking you, who threw a valenok on the control board?!"
From the American submarine, a shaved, sober, and well-dressed captain notes sarcastically: "You know, folks, in America..."
The Russian captain interrupts him, screaming: "America? America?! There is none of your fucking America anymore!" He turns back to his crew. "Who threw a valenok onto the control board?!"
>>46557922
The Mayans and Aztecs were pretty advanced but if you go farther north to >>46557639 pic related's then you will find nothing of value. The natives of the US and Canadian territory were shockingly primitive.
>>46558364
Mesa Verde in Colorado is the largest native archeological site in north america.
>>46558427
Also Chaokia in Illinois, but those people had no writing or metallurgy, just extensive trade, so I guess they were "primitive" by some definitions.
>>46555420
Nope.
>>46555522
To be fair, they also said that 2 years ago.
>>46558427
>mud and stone houses whose only real value was where they happened to be built
>>46557738
>unless they had some agricultural techniques I'm not aware of, which is unlikely considering they were nomadic.
>he doesn't know about the Three Sisters
>laughingcherokeewhores.jpg
>>46556125
Every eastern european can tell you that russian shit doesn't stink and it will last you several lifetimes - it might not look good, it might not be ergonomical but it will definitely outlast you.
Hell, my parents back home in Romania still have their Zil fridge made in 1975 that still functions perfectly while i already have to replace mine 4 times in the last 20 years since i came here.
>>46556491
>And they really like Manyakis too
Who doesn't?
>>46550802
Russian culture is really motherfucking diverse, both through the history and at any given moment. If you mean the median of modern Russia it would be your generic sci-fi space opera, only a bit more authoritarian and with different memes. But you can also have Tsarist spaceruskies, Mongoloid spaceruskies, Commie spaceruskies, Stalinist spaceruskies, decadent spaceruskies, et cetera.
Also, Alexander Zorich has a cycle of space opera books, with Russians dominating the united humanity's space military. Called "Zavtra Voina" ("The War Starts Tomorrow") in Russian, no idea how or if they ever translated it. Meh-tier military drama overall. General flavor is actually not Soviet, but authoritarian New Russia. Would not recommend unless you specifically want to read some Space Ruskies.
>>46555698
>Also a meme
Not really. Things like your everyday
household appliances were quite consumer-unfriendly, but ungodly long-lived and durable. Mostly. The issue however becomes irrelevant as the Union hasn't been a thing for 25 fucking years. That's longer than most of people ITT were alive, so the point is gone. Also /k/ is quite retarded.
>>46551879
>You would have spacegun AKs.
I am positively certain that during the Fourth Marso-Venusian War of XXIXth Century, armies of tacticool conscripts will blow up each others T-72B29 with RPG-907 and loot spacesuit boots off corpses. Some things just don't change.
>>46551781
> Strugatsky level weirdness
It's not weirdness. It's Communism.
Russian space slice-of-life anyone?
Border star systems would have a corrupt official that basically milking everything there, while sending cheerful reports to the federal government. Proper paperwork would have take ages to do, so everyone will try to avoid it somehow.
Old colonies would be a really tight-knit communities, striving to survive using outdated, but reliable tech. New tech will be all bells and whistels, but prone to malfunction. Everyone will knew basic maintenance, and by "basic maintenance" I mean "fix the engine with sledgehammer and duct tape, so it will last to the next spaceport".
There will be a lot of accidents, involving drinking or "I–couldn't–care–less" attitude that would end surprisingly well.
>>46557922
>Being a little defensive? I didn't say Arabs contributed nothing, but the idea of zero as we know it today, as well as trigonometry, are Indian inventions and were spread to the West by Arabs, who were one of the few societies that did not completely destroy the science and culture of the lands they conquered.
get your history right. Arabs held a tiny part of the indian subcontinent. It was the turks that created the islamic kingdoms in india.
>>46560639
To be really honest you can say the same about most household consumer goods produced in europe at that time.
I have a french 1980's refrigerator at my countryside home, works like a charm. If there was still a network, my Minitel would be still working and has outlived 5 desktop computers.
Russian here. Let me put it simply: if you've ever played an MMO then you've already experienced Russian culture. Maximum dicker within the extent (technically) allowed by the law.
Russian Space would basically be Ultima Online.
>>46553767
Tomorrow War is decent. At least the first two books.
>>46554359
Holy shit this was well put.
>>46550802
>a large chunke of the galaxy
>torn by aliens and meme-tier management
>and somehow
>some-fucking-how
>they are still ok
>>46555764
Yes yes yes we know how T-14 is greatest tank ever, PAK-FA will conquer all, etc.
Russia produces a mixed bag. Their high tech stuff frankly sucks. Not "awkward but reliable", it's awkward and prone to breakdowns.
Industrial stuff tends to be the bulky but reliable stereotype. After the Cold War, when the west finally got to examine some T-72s intended for soviet use, they were shocked to discover how the weapons could penetrate an M1's Chobham armor... and US antitank missiles couldnt penetrate soviet armor. The russians have mostly continued this tradition. Excellent helicopters, good airframes on their fixed wing planes... but shitty avionics.
We mostly focus on military tech because Russia imports a lot of their civilian vehicles and appliances.
Russia is good at building one-off prototypes, probably because they have excellent mathematicians and design engineers. But production, maintanence, training, etc are all still big problems for them. Getting the average low-class worker to care about his job remains a problem (probably because he isn't paid enough). Teaching at universities in Russia is a PITA, too-- the students cheat CONSTANTLY. Some are absolutely brilliant but rampant cheating fucks things up for everyone.
Now, let's remember. A few decades of free markets and you'll see the situation rapidly change. "Made in Japan" used to mean cheap and shitty, too. The old soviet system produced crap, and crony capitalism is doing better but still not well. But that's not russian culture, it's any country that organizes its economy that way, including Europe and the USA.
>>46561403
So, basically Imperium?
>>46561474
>T-14 is greatest tank ever
But it is. For now, at least.
>>46561474
>Teaching at universities in Russia is a PITA
True. That's the result of:
1. Breakdown of the Union fucking up the education system big time - a large chunk of the entire population suddenly found itself "not fitting the market", and STEM got hit worst of all. Combined with the principle of free and egalitarian high education it turned a lot of universities into suitcases with no handles - personnel and expertise are too valuable to just throw away and population would not tolerate losing the ability to go to uni for free, but country simply has no use for so many engineers and researchers anymore, and students themselves know this. Plummeted prestige of military also adds tons of dudes going to uni just to avoid draft for a few years.
2. Attempts to stick old Soviet education system into Western standards without a complete overhaul. So while retaining the direct teacher-student relationship as the core of Uni education, it's gotten stuffed with tests, exams and reviews that neither teachers nor students care about, but which are IMPORTANT BECAUSE REASONS, which results in cheating galore.
>>46558364
> Mayans and Aztecs were advanced
> still living in the stone age during the 1500s
Aha good joke anon
>>46550802
booze, cynicism, and the breakup of the soviet union would make a pretty good inspiration for a space setting
>>46550802
Like Dune, but with Krokodil instead of Spice.
>>46551781
>>46551781
Hello. I'm this fag. My phone somewhat inconveniently ate my post by restarting. I've retyped it for you.
>such is life in mother Russia.
Ok. Ctrl+v incoming shortly.
NEW THREAD THEME: https://youtu.be/uNb54rwDQJM
>>46562019
Eeeey ukhnem!
>>46562019
> What in any way, shape or form, qualifies you to talk about any of this?
Nothing really. I've an interest in history, Russian literature, science fiction the cold war, and Russian step family. Some of you fags may know about some of my other writing on here..
In any event. I'll start with with developing on each of the points I originally listed. These are my own personal impressions based on reading up and channelling my relatives and Ivan Chesnokov. These are cartoons or pastiches.
>1. Tsarist depressing as fuck space peasants with space Moscow.
We're somewhere in the early 1900s here. I'm talking Dostoyevsky et al. Death should be at your shoulder, death is a fact of life, and it's something which can come at any time. The winters are long and bitter. If you are on a farm (not yet a Kholkhoz) you might as well be in space. Yes there's the transiberian railway but people are living much as they might have 500 years ago.
One thing people forget is Russia is HUGE, there are warm bits, there are fucking cold bits. Compare novorossiysk, novosibirsk and Provideniya.
At the centre of this spider web sits Moscow.
>>46562144
Muscovites are better than you. Muscovites collect taxes. Muscovites are wealthy. They also make laws which might seem ridiculous to you out somewhere in Siberia but are to be applied. Punishment is harsh.
On top of all this you have this enormous country with an army which is a combination of entirely inept, modern, and actually pretty proficient.
There's a lot of 40K in here but if we're talking space stuff, well this Russia is one of enormous contrasts and distances. It clearly lends itself to the traditional sci-fi saw of corrupt old earth (Moscow) at the centre of an empire of enormous distances in time and space.
The distance also brings corruption I would suggest.
Humour is lively and unique, it is morbid and fatalistic but very very present.
I'd suggest amping up this feeling of isolation, distance, hopelessness, it's too easy to just pretend Russians are inefficient or stupid (muh maymays) there's way more to it than that, the state isn't out for you, it's out for Moscow, rebellion is pointless (until it isn't) it's better to accept the state of affairs and take everything you can make yours.
>>46562185
>2. Linked to the above, and it's a theme I've seen in a lot of different Russian sources is that horror and strangeness isn't something you fight, it isn't something you invite by some transgression, it comes into your life without asking, without explanation, it shits out fully formed chocolate cakes which happen to also melt the face of your grandmother. This isn't just cosmic fucking weirdness this is the idea that an official can come onto your Kholkoz, state that soviet science says that if you mix all your seeds together and plant them really close together they'll grow better because communism. He'll give you some bizarre shiny contraption called a tractor, then fuck off to the next Kholkoz while you all starve to death.
This means aliens that are totally alien, no forehead aliens, no mass effect faggotry (though if you found me a blonde Russian woman with Miranda Lawson's ass and a St Petersburg accent, I'll die poor but happy). Aliens if there are any, are going to leave cosmic weirdness, rules can be bent, rules can be broken, and the rules you have to play by (gravity for example) may not apply. You may never see them, they likely will never care you existed, but goddamn that seed they accidentally dropped 1,500 lightyears away has to germinate somewhere, and through random chance of time, space, and fuck you, it's going to be in your scrotum. Drink some vodka and know that well die.
Anons might know this theme for example from Arkady and Boris Strugatsky's Stalker, Solaris or similar. Additionally I'd suggest Stanislaw Lem (while Polish) has a bit of it.
>>46550802
HFY, but through cultural and moral superiority of our society, rather than force of arms or heroics of individual GI Joes.
Kinda like Picard's Star Trek, maybe, but without the non-interference directive.
>>46562210
Now particularly for my ameri-fat friends, we need to do something here, just play along ok?
I need you to put aside your cold war propaganda, your dankest maymays, I need you to stop pretending you know shit about Russia. (even if I don't either).
>3. Soviet propaganda but real - the glorious march of the people to the stars
Talk to some of the older Russians today and they'll tell you communism was pretty awesome. Ignore stalin, ignore the gulags, ignore all that. For a period though (according to them) things were actually pretty awesome. For a while, Russia worked. Russia gave so much to those little soviet stans and other bullshit countries. Visit Tajikistan (this country exists) and you will see old soviet architecture where before that there was nothing but goatfuckers. This effort, this hope that the people could come together, that yes, your grandfather tied screaming in a T-34 in the hopes that his blood would make the facists falter one step, your grandmother was raped to death by SS officers, and while she may not have thought it at the time, it meant the glorious revolution had another second to produce another shell. Yes you may never have heard from Uncle Ivan again after he spoke too loudly.
>>46560967
Planned obsolescence is cancer of modern industry, and it is sheltered by dogmatic faith in infallibility of market mechanism.
>>46562280
However there was this belief that things were shit, there was however an acceptance, not "this is how we've always done it" but that we, as a country, took one step forward together, we suffered so that every child, every new soviet man, would have a better life than those that came before. The soil of Russia grew fertile with the blood of patriots, sacrifices had to be made, but those sacrifices were worth something.
The Americans talk of the greatest generation, then the boomers smoked weed, fucked around, raised hellspawn and grew fat. The soviet generation stood on the sacrifice of their fathers, their mothers, and looked to the stars.
I've spoken to military officers and academics who trained during this time. There was hope, there was a belief that everyone worked for a common goal, and that goal was for the good of humanity. That the inevitable victory of the people grew closer. This victory would be won together.
This is the Russia that burned in Afghanistan, the Russia that melted in Chernobyl. This is the Russia who for three or four decades, was one half of the world, was what sought to fund other revolutions in Cuba, in Africa, in Asia.
>what does this all mean anon?
You need, in this setting, for there to be hope, for science, for an almost religious faith and fervour in progress, for there to be good people doing good things.
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Now take everything I just wrote about in 3. Get it really in your head, get all that hope, all that drive, and then suddenly, have it crash to a halt.
Suddenly you have this influx of alien culture, of people doing things in ways that for decades you were told were wrong, striving for themselves, screwing over their fellow man (yes ok this never actually stopped but you get the idea).
Modern Russia isn't primitive, it isn't soviet russia, it's very different, it's all of one and two (not much 3) and something else in a million different ways.
>So, how does this become a setting?
Well now you have a universe.
Planets where the collective laboratories or farms never fell. Churches of the people. A billion different beauracracies all squabbling and all with the power to execute you at the drop of the hat. Aliens who are swarming over the old space-russian empire and people who are coming to follow their ways, other aliens and indeed even inexplicable events which don't follow any narrative. At the centre of it all, you have this vibrant mess of fatalistic yet humourous humanity who eat, drink and fuck just like they always have done.
>What story would you tell in this Universe?
I'd want to (if I was to write a novel) set it on a world where all four meet. I'd focus on two characters, an idealist learning that his ideals are nothing, and one of those who have adopted alien ways learning that maybe there was something in those ideals. I'd give those weirdest of aliens lots of screentime. I'd suggest then that a Kholkoz has had something fall out of the sky on it or the people there have been living as a fungus on the side of some alien's cosmic microscope.
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>>46562411
Anon out.
I hope this gives you some ideas.
>>46562428
spasiba m8
>>46562428
Thanks dude
bamp
>>46557738
>At least I think so, unless they had some agricultural techniques I'm not aware of, which is unlikely considering they were nomadic.
Some of them even had sophisticated irrigation systems.
>>46554359
That's the definition of a bully isn't it?
What's the difference between the cultures of St. Petersburg and Moscow?
>>46562428
I'm this fag again.
I'm currently writing a large journal article.
A change is as good as a rest. If anyone enjoys this stuff I will continue to fuck about with a possible setting/novel outline.
On the topic of Russian Sci-Fi, read Metro 2033/4! They give a great insight into the Russian mind I feel. 2034 is much worse than '23, but it good in it's own ways.
Space and Russia are very similar
Both big
Both can only be governed by autocracy
Both are cold and unforgiving
I feel humanities future in the stars will bring more pain than happiness, I worry
>>46566247
St Petersburg saw itself as the intellectual capital IIRC and...
ah fuck it just read this
https://www.gadventures.com/blog/a-tale-of-two-cities-moscow-and-st-petersburg/
>>46566279
You are pretty good, anon
>>46566321
Don't worry little comrade.
There will be vodka between the stars.
Also from the last time I got Russian on /tg/
Anon has a point and I'm not quite drunk yet.
>Meet father for first time in 22 years.
>He's remarried, Russian wife.
>She speaks perfect english.
>GF wants to meet him with me. Ok.
Meet at his house. Go into kitchen. Wife gives me a whisky (it's 10 am) Dad is drinking vodka.
SON
DAD
>BEARHUG
>Wife is so good. Excellent. BABUSHKA!!!1!
Who the fuck is...
in comes all of about 3'11 of tiny little Russian granny. She has sharp eyes like ice in a glass of vodka.
She takes a draw on her machorka (Russian for cigarette)
She approaches. I am a fairly big bloke. 6'0, rugby build, 220 lbs of angry.
She gets a chair. She stands on chair.
Bear in mind I'm meeting papa for the first time. So I'm like yes yes this is normal.
She checks my teeth
>Wrrrbbble burrble (Russian Gibberish)
Wife translates
Babushka she says (in her thick Russian bond villainess accent) you are having good teeth.
She feels my bicep, pats my bicep, strokes my chest. She finishes the vodka and takes another long drag (she's 83)
>Wrrrbbble burrble (Russian Gibberish)
BABUSHKA SHE SAYS YOU ARE OF STRONG MAN
I flex, she grabs my "area"
>Wrrrbbble burrble (Russian Gibberish)
BABUSHKA SHE SAYS YOU WILL GIVE TO HER STRONG GRANDCHILDREN
GF is dying of laughter, little tiny babushka hops off her chair, shuffles over to her and pokes her in the belly.
>Wrrrbbble burrble (Russian Gibberish)
THIS ONE WILL GROW FAT. GET ANOTHER.
I need to give that side of the family a call soon.
>>46551874
>Tsar Wars.
>>46566329
So, what would a planet based on St Petersburg and a planet based on Moscow look like?
>>46566435
That's fucking, and I mean fucking, hilarious
>>46554359
So just like Romulans?
>>46566982
You're welcome anon.
>>46566279
Please continue
