What would a fantasy setting be like if there were no culturally European peoples? I'm not talking greater deaths following the Black Plague, I mean no whites period.
>inb4 reverse racism
> inb4 world peace without the white man
More brown elves.
Every time someone makes a thread with this picture, it's a really poorly veiled tumblr-style argument starter.
Are you trying to have that picture associated with tumblr-soapboxing?
>>46444274
I'm really not. I'm honestly curious, whether you believe me or not.
>>46444219
Sounds pretty gay to me
>>46444219
It'll be shit. Imagine Africa never having colonialism slap it's shit together.
Also are we ignoring evolution? At some point depending on environment, humans would evolve to fit the environment. (Ergo white/faid skin.)
Without white people to contend with Asians would be stuck in feudal samurai empire times and black people would still be Bush people.
In a fantasy setting, it's a fucking fantasy setting with no white people and you provided zero background for your setting.
So butterfly toad kiss mud flap
>>46444219
Why are the Myrmidons black? Weren't they Greek?
>>46444351
The ancient Greeks were black, come on, man.
Achilles was the greatest warrior ever, he wasn't no white man.
>>46444219
The Years of Rice and Salt book series
/thread
>>46444219
>reverse racism
HA! do you people actually believe that shit? Racism is discrimination based on race, doesn't specify which race.I know it's bait, but fuck
It would be shit, just like most other settings. Also, it would be shit because you, OP, are shit, and give literally nothing to work with.
Who are the people or cultures that inhabit the setting? What is the tech level? Is there magic? Are the gods involved? Are there wars? Is there necromancy?
But no, all you have to focus on is skin color.
That's fucking sad.
It would be like a fantasy setting where the people aren't white.
Are you asking about a setting based in other cultures' mythologies and histories as opposed to the generally european ones we get, or just "what if a setting didnt have white people?"
>>46444393
>I'm not talking greater deaths following the Black Plague, I mean no whites period.
Pay more attention next time.
>>46444219
The thing that irks me the most about OP's pic is the fact that 3 out of the 4 races depicted there have Greek names.
>>46444219
>no culturally European peoples
>no whites
>culturally
>whites
I don't know what the fuck you're trying to say, but skin color has nothing to do with culture.
You could run one set before the age of sail in one of the Americas. I mean there'll still be a conquest civ (Aztecs for instance) but it won't be culturally European in the way the PCs would experience. They'll drink that chocolate coffee drink instead of ale.
Take colonialism, and have it be done by someone else. It's not like white people are the only ones who ever wanted to conquer the world.
In the absence of Europe, my guess is that Muslims would have done all of the exploring and conquering and industrialization. Eventually the Islamic faith breaks off into far more groups than just sunnis and shiites, and the whole religious power center breaks down as nation states become a thing and secular leaders take power from the now weakened religious ones.
The nature of man changes very little, only the small details do. Instead of Christmas being taken over by commercialism, it's ramadan. Instead of the holocaust killing jews - well actually that would probably still happen exactly the same with Muslims at the forefront.
If your campaign takes place before colonialism, very little changes at all except the color of people's hats.
>>46444846
Naw man. The Chinese were all about colonialism too.
Look at how they subsumed every other culture in East Asia into basically clones of themselves.
>>46444846
Your hypothesis is bad anon.
Islam was a mixture of Jewish/Christian Teaching and Arab paganism. The first half is and was made by ethnically white cultures. Yes I'm counting Jews.
Besides that, the rest of your hypothesis is a neat example.
>>46444925
Unfortunately, they were shit at boats.
You gotta have good botes for proper colonialism.
>>46444969
What are you talking about? The Chinese had a brief settlement in the Bahamas about a hundred years before Columbus was a speck in his dad's beanbag.
>>46444939
>Jews
>Arabs
>Muslims
>Europeans
Are you drunk?
Also
>ethnically white cultures
culture is, at most, correlated with skin color. Stop this bullshit.
>>46445141
I smell psuedo-history.
>>46444939
The Christian/Jewish traditions the founders of Islam encountered were the middle eastern versions not European. The culture was still very Mediterranean in aspect not "white" by any degree as trade with western Europe was not exceptionally high during the 6th and 7th centuries compared to north Africa and the rest of eastern Rome.
Or you're shitposting. I can no longer tell anymore.
>>46444219
The number of scientific papers drops about 90%, so no wonder it's a fantasy setting.
The concept of human rights and western moralities in general also fly away, which is actually interesting tho. X racial guilt here? Nah. Talk shit to the ruling race and heads meet spikes.
Chinese tribal loyalty is western-equivalent, but doesn't cross tribal borders. Then mix in some Sufi-Shia-Sunni conflict as the opposing religion.
>>46444939
So no Persians or Zoroastrianism either?
>>46444219
Garuda look like fuccbois, even the woman. Were they made by incase or something?
>>46444939
>Jews
>white
>>46444219
Hmm, so no evolution of people with less Melanin production means they always need all of it. So the world is a helluva lot more Sunny and probably a lot more warm.
Without a winter, there's no need to select (both genetically and through epigenetics) for long-term planning when you have the lush, probably dangerous terrain that this perpetual rainforest allows. (assuming it's not Dune)
My guess is perpetual war with almost no advancement in culture beyond simple brutality.
Also significantly less agriculture as there's no need and less room for it, so way more hunter-gatherers?
>>46444219
Then no matter where you are placed society doesn't get larger than tribal.
>Everyone runs around like animals shitty themselves and killing each other with no morals grounds.
>There but for the grace of the white mans burden
>>46444219
Probably wouldn't be different.
Humans are human.
>>46444219
I imagine that the only habitable places would be very hot and sunny, which would explain the lack of low-melanin genes, presumably.
>>46445477
Humans are humans, but unevolved subspecies are animals.
>>46445457
>>46445517
In OPs image there are light-skin not!asians.
>>46445477
>Humans are human.
OP specifically asked what a setting would be like with no humans, friend.
>culturally European peoples
>no whites period
Okay so do you mean culturally European or racially European, OP? And how far back are we going?
I don't know how much really changes. We're talking fantasy, so we have full freedom to do whatever the fuck we like. Even looking at historical roots, influential European cultures had their compatriots (Greece and Egypt, the Levant, India). European religion goes back to PIE the same as several other world regional religions.
There's not much specific to the European experience that COULDN'T ARISE elsewhere. And in a non-historical world you have complete freedom to replicate anything specifically European on that basis.
>>46444219
Someone else would had colonized Europe and would have done exactly the same things. Europe become the centre of the world thanks to its geo-strategic position, not because of culture or the people living in it.ategic
>>46445477
All humans can reach similar potential peaks, but the frequency of those traits varies from genetic cline to genetic cline - think ethnicity.
And some of those traits are very significant. The famous one is obviously IQ, but what's really important is the breadth and depth of the in-group/out-group gap. "westerners" were almost single-handedly responsible for propagating that form of morality.
If you like human rights, you owe the hajnal line.
>no culturally European peoples
OK. There. Your setting.
No Europe.
No European people.
Now you only have to adapt every single culture in Eurasia to adapt to this massive change in geography.
Nothing.
Another group would fill the void, and in some alternate universe people are talking about Black privilege or how Asian people are appropriating their culture.
Probably more or less the same unimaginative schlock as "standard" fantasy, but maybe with fewer longswords.
>>46444440
This.
>>46444219
Fucking boring, that's what. Europe is objectively the best culture and setting for fantasy.
Human beings are not that different. It is believed that humanity survived an extinction event that reduced the gene pool to about 1,000–10,000 surviving individuals about 50,000 years ago. And it is not the only one. The Homo Sapiens have survived repeated genetic bottlenecks and competition and extinction of Hominid competitors.
>>46444219
>What would a fantasy setting be like
Which fantasy setting dipshit? I could grab on to almost any wuxia setting and already have no Europeans.
>>46445788
looks so much more natural without the speshul snowflake peninsula that's got a boot and a "rawr dragon :33" claw. why didn't the GM stick with this version.
>>46444219
>second from left
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What would the world be like if the new world wasn't "discovered" in 1492?
Maybe the ships were lost at sea and the survivors managed to kill any repeat trips with over exaggerated stories of the end of the world and the like
>>46444585
Retard, that series has it so 99% of Europe dies so white people effectively die out and are replaced entirely by Muslims. There is 0 European culture left
>>46445237
Not to mention the industrial revolution never happens and the americas never get discovered
So basically the world is stuck in the 1300s or so
>>46446340
It would probably happen eventually
>>46444219
we have no idea what a world without white people would look like, so a fantasy setting would literally just be the generic fantasy setting, with no white people. or perhaps if you're going for realism, remove all white inventions.
>>46446395
Way way later though. Most of the world's tech stems from the fact that europeans spent most of their time slaughtering one another
>>46444382
literal representation of achilles from the greeks themselves. he was a white man.
>>46445788
Also the fact that the mediterranean and black seas are now part of the atlantic ocean
I wonder how weather patterns would change.
>>46446395
To see where it would have happened, you must seek sources of easily reachable coal. Without that, it doesn't matter how sophisticated your culture becomes. The British were backwater compared to the Netherlands.
>>46444219
I have a question, when do you separate whites from the rest of humanity?
You say no whites period, but when do we consider the whites to have become their own race?
Certainly it was well before Sapiens moved into Europe.
>>46446145
>no giant ballsack right next to russia
sad though
>>46446319
most of that is already stolen from Jews and Muslims anyway, so nothing of value was lost
>>46446519
I looked it up and the main spots are in super ass backwards (in context) areas like the americas, sibera and australia. There's a decent amount in china and india too but I don't know how accessable that is. Plus, again, without the constant need to develop weapons that outpace your enemies, tech would advance slower
>>46446480
>art from 500 BC looks like this
>"art" from 1200 AD looks like potato face noodle people
how
>>46445457
>>46445459
What about all the ancient sa d people sand civs and the rice munchers.
>>46446319
How horrid
>>46446519
Well, a cursory google search shows decent supplies in China and India, though I'm guessing that's not too close to the surface since China wasn't using it.
The Middle east obviously has lots of Oil, though that's even harder to get and use.
>>46446428
True. Without the constant warfare even getting guns would take a while. Even assuming they get it though, that just results in an end to the middle ages, not necessarily putting them into industrialization.
>>46446615
Come to think of it, the islamic empires might not even devolp in the first place since there's nowhere to trade to. They're the end of the silk road and it's a giant fuckoff desert.
>>46446606
good and bad artists, obviously
>>46446615
What about them? They didn't do any meaningful shit ever and didn't move forward for literal millenia.
>>46446652
So basically the world is stuck in the late medieval period for several hundred more years than normal and industrialization takes even longer to get to since coal is hard to get except in places where nobody fucking lives
>>46446658
Yeah, but they also didn't stick to being violent hunter gatherers who raped and killed each other all day like some anons seem to imply. Not like europe really stood out until the renaissance.
>>46446606
cause that particular piece is from the late 19th centruy
>>46444219
I don't understand the question.
Option 1: There's no white people, that's it. Cosmetics.
Option 2: If D&Dish stuff, eliminate anything remotely of the European culture, emphasize monks, neenjas, shamans, etc. and eschew knights, paladins, longswords, full plate, etcetera.
>>46446654
That's a good point. Not much reason to live in a desert in that case, and it's not like there's any resources there to trade with the east unless they're selling slaves or exotic animals from Africa or selling oil. Getting that established in the first place though would be difficult.
The Chinese almost triggered the Industrial Revolution during the Tang dynasty I believe. However, due different reasons (coal was also far away from most population centres) and threats, it collapsed before becoming a thing. Still, they produced more steel than the British in the entire 19th century.
>>46446800
There'd still be people there, it's just that they'd likely me a lot more nomadic.
>>46446874
None of those threats were even remotely related to european or even muslim stuff and honestly china would likely have a lot harder time with nomadic hordes since there's literally nowhere better for them to invade
>>46446480
Austrians are Greek now?
>>46444219
So you want a setting that's based solely on any combination of Middle Eastern, Eastern, Asian, African, Native American and/or South American mythology/history?
Funny enough. The perfect metal for the first genuine Steam Engine came from brewing.
>>46444219
Khans of Tarkir
>>46444219
Why does east Garuda have only 2 dudes and no woman?
>>46447166
Probably the same reason why nomads are morbidly obese
>Everyone: This is bait
>Me: I've never really thought about this prompt and find it interesting
China would spread inland and meet resistance in the middle east
Japan would sail out and reach north america first
both would probably commit some sort of genocide and that would be horrible.
>>46447242
Well presumably the reason that the giant women have pointy chins is because they evolved in an area where can-like fruits grew and they evolved to use their chins as can openers
Though seriously, everytime I see the OP image posted I just sigh
>>46447318
They would not meet any resistance in the middle east since the islamic empires would never have developed because the end point of the silk road (Europe) doesn't exist, and for most of history, that's the main reason the arabian peninsula had money
>>46447318
>>46447392
China wouldn't really meet much resistance anywhere.
>>46447392
Could the end point of the silk road change from Europe to Egypt or the few Mediterranean civilization which would still exist. For that matter would Egypt become the new not-Rome since the Greeks and Romans which eventually appropriated them don't really exist?
Follow up, with Alexander the Great gone Greek (Macedonian) culture would not be spread. So how does that effect the world?
>>46447807
I'd imagine Persia would remain the dominant civilization aside from China.
>>46447807
Egypt might actually stay fairly dominant without the Greeks or Romans to screw them up.
>>46445788
>not leaving portugal on the map
albertobarbosa.jpg
>>46444219
So basically what you want is an entire Africa-esque continent, maybe? You could do it, as there's no lack of African mythology and mysticism you could use for world building. There were African empires and kingdoms as well, so you could easily have political intrigue.
It's easy to make a setting without European people. But if you think the Africans are going to be building European-esque structures, have incredible art, philosophers and technology, that seems a little unlikely.
>>46448010
It's a matter of having easily domesticated animals. That makes agriculture easier, which allows for the development of artisans, cities, and eventually a larger and more progressed civilization.
The issue with real-life Africa (and America, by extension) was that they didn't really have any animals that they could use like horses or cattle.
Obviously it's more complicated than all that, but it's a simple tweak you could make to a fantasy setting to justify those sorts of sweeping changes.
>>46448125
America had horses and other domesticatable animals.
They injuns just decided to eat them instead of taming them
>>46448192
Horses are from the fertile crescent.
>>46448237
http://www.livescience.com/717-humans-wiped-wild-horses.html
the whole genus originated in North America
>>46448125
Bullshit. You CAN domesticate anything, and the fancier American groups did so (alpacas and such). A more likely culprit was the fact that the Americas are way smaller and less populated than the entire rest of the world, and therefore had a lot less competition/fewer monkeys.
Europe's conquest of the Americas is very simplistically blamed on "gunpowder," for example, which originated in China, was refined into projectile weapons in the Middle East via the Silk Road, and passed on to and refined in Europe via the Crusades and against each other. There just weren't enough pieces for that kind of bullshit to happen at the same rate for the Mayas or whoever.
>>46448192
>>46448237
Horses actually evolved in NA, but had died out by the time the Injuns were around to use them. They still could have domesticated buffalo if they really wanted to, though.
>>46448192
And Europe had cattle, horses, sheep, goats, chickens, pigs, and a ton of other easy finds.
Again, it's more complicated than 'they were stupid and ate all the horses'
>>46448125
>The issue with real-life Africa (and America, by extension) was that they didn't really have any animals that they could use like horses or cattle.
This is painfully incorrect
>>46448428
Native Americans hunted the equis into extinction
>>46448330
>>46448428
>>46448468
Who dun killed the horses seems to be a vague question by the article linked. They died out in the fossil record before man arrived, but the fossil record's pretty patchy, so they used some other method to conclude horsies were still around at the time.
That's pretty vague and inconclusive, but humans appear to have murdered every other large critter we've come into contact with, so it might be a safe assumption.
>>46448428
>Europe's conquest of the Americas is very simplistically blamed on "gunpowder," for example, which originated in China, was refined into projectile weapons in the Middle East via the Silk Road, and passed on to and refined in Europe via the Crusades and against each other. There just weren't enough pieces for that kind of bullshit to happen at the same rate for the Mayas or whoever.
No one fucking blames it on gunpowder when disease happens.
>>46448428
>You CAN domesticate anything
You can tame anything, but domestication is another order entirely.
Domesticating a buffalo would not have been easy. You're dealing with massive herds of angry muscle. You can't exactly lasso it, tie it to a post, build a fence around it, and hope everything goes well.
>>46444219
>that Nomad woman
>>46444219
>no whites period
Islamic and North African empires and nations never develop
Africa continues to be shitty tribal wasteland void of any civilization
Asia possibly gets its shit together sometime around the 1800's or later and takes up the white man's burden.
MesoAmerica and South America possibly develop into strong and stable empires, possibly even strong enough to defend against the chinks.
NAmerindians are still shitty tribal fucks like the Africans.
Abbos burn and kill the last bits of forest and prey in Australia and die out, it is now a lifeless wasteland.
>>46446480
Anon, I think there were fewer 19th-century Germans in Mythical Greece than you seem to think there were.
>>46448552
Oh Mei...
I call it...Tumblrica
Asians eventually get wiped out due to constant infighting
Africans still living in mud huts and using rocks
Native americans alternate between infighting and getting high or some shit. Probably keep to themselves.
>>46444219
Why would you ever want a chimpanzee simulator. I suppose being able to pick up women by beating them into submission has it's perks, but shitting in the woods and flinging it around is going to get old real fast.
>>46444219
It's really, really hard fighting back the desire to spout
WE
>>46444219
You'd be forced to portray brown people as assholes.
>>46444219
Actually, how Fantasy are we getting here? New world, with a history entirely unrelated to our history but with cultures loosely based upon reality?
Or is it Not!Earth without the whitefolk? Just blatantly Earth without white people?
I need some context.
>>46444219
If you're talking middle east/ Africa, you are going to have tooooons of slaves. Slavery was a big part of society before western civilization adopted and promptly banned it.
>>46444219
>reverse racism
wouldn't that be open-mindedness amd equality and such
racism is the prejudice of persons based on race, just because white people used it a lot doesn't make it exclusive to them
>>46449010
>racism is the prejudice of persons based on race,
>>46449169
>implying he's wrong
Oh wait, racism is prejudice+power amirite?
fuck off you nigger kike dyke tumblrista slut cunt shill faggot whoreson bastard.
>>46449169
Is that incorrect?
Just gonna meme?
No terrorism in gaming
>>46449303
Yes there is you silly misogynist neck beard.
http://archive.is/5fDA2
http://www.corehammer.com/social-wargaming-part-1-social-justice-wargamer/
>>46444219
>egyptians and greeks are both black
So I know that nigerian descendants have recently got it into their heads that they were secretly egyptians this whole time instead of, you know, the actual egyptians, but now they're suddenly greeks as well?
It's not enough to shove their race into historical fiction where they did not, during that point in history, exist in the region wherein the story takes place, now they have to hijack whole cultures and claim them as their own?
Seems like this victim complex has officially gone expansionist.
>>46449602
>Seems like this victim complex has officially gone expansionist.
It's almost... colonial.
How far can we take this?
>>46448661
White people got 90% of their shit from the Middle East. Without Europe, not much in the grand scheme of things would have changed.
They didn't really do much until the Romans civilized them, anyway.
>>46450264
>Romans
>Middle Eastern
>Romans
>Crimping the Middle East
>Greece
>The Middle East
Pick one and only one.
>>46450264
You straight up just don't understand the classical era of history, period. Please to to /his/ and lurk a bit before posting in a thread that requires a basic understanding of the world's historical timeline
>>46444219
Culture =/= Skin Colour, OP you are a fucking racist
>>46450264
>Islamic golden age
>he actually believes in this meme
HAH
>Implying Rome wasn't white
>Implying Greece wasn't white
This isn't fucking /pol/, not just tree-fucking forest niggers and whale-eating snow niggers are white.
>>46450264
>white people didn't do shit until they civilized themselves
ok
>>46450952
>Italians
>white
>>46449256
This tbqh
>>46444219
Not evolutionary possible unless the planet in question has NO cold and rainy climates or humans never spread to those climates.
"Race" is a moronic term to use when talking about human biology. We're all the same race, we just have slightly different morphological adaptations based on environment. "White" skin is the natural result of spending tens of thousands of years in a cloudy northern climate, an adaptation which allows improved absorption of Vitamin D. If you took a bunch of sub-Saharan Africans and stuck them in a climate identical to that of Europe, they would be white within <100,000 years.
>>46444219
>>inb4 reverse racism
No such thing. Racism is still racism.
>>46444219
Aztec's rule the world.
Every catastrophe followed by mass human sacrifices, televised and celebrated of course.
Imagine enjoying your morning corn, reading about the beautiful youth sacrificed for the sun to rise that very morning.
A master chef preparing the sacrifices heart on television. your mouth waters as the chef prepares all the ingredients and describes the texture and flavor with a look of ecstasy on his face.
>>46444319
Hmmm, it's a fantasy setting though so all that shamanism and tribal shit might actually pay off in the ability to achieve things via magic.
There's also something else to consider, which is that agriculture and areas where it was easy to support life that way would be filled with some new ethnicity who'd di much the same thing. Even if you wanted to spread the same cultures there, they wouldn't stay static, Europeans didn't build their culture with skin pigmentation.
I think fantasy or not, and cultural transplanting or not, you'd have pretty similar shit going on, it would just be brown people ramming a different variety of colonialism down browner people's throats.
I mean ffs by modern day standards various spannish ethnic groups are "brown".
Hmmm what are they famous for.... Ah yes, conquering/slaughtering native people's and torture.
It could be an interesting writing prompt to try and imagine transporting say, an African tribe from like four millenia to the area that is now France, and attempt to make up some culture that takes its roots from ancient African tribalism but has moved on to agriculture, and eventually working metal etc.
At some point though you have to wonder why fucking bother because that's literally how Europe happened, just much much much MUCH farther back.
>>46451281
>forest niggers
>human
>>46444382
WE WUZ HOPLITES AND SHIET
>>46444219
>what would a fantasy setting be like without traditional western fantasy?
Either Asian fantasy or fucking garbage.
You need 4 resources in order to acquire modern technology and create an ocean-spanning empire.
>Easily accessible iron
>Large forests
>A temperate, wet climate that allows agriculture without needing complex irrigation
>Easily domesticated and useful animals
Various evolutionary and geographical factors virtually ensure that humans living under those circumstances will evolve fair skin. It's not that the people themselves are special in any way, it's the place that they live that matters. It just so happens that people who live in those places are going to look a certain way.
>>46448922
under. fucking. rated.
>>46448661
>Islamic and north african empires never develop
There's a history of empires in that region, why would a middle eastern empire require Europe?
The real question is if Islam would even exist.
>>46451582
>A temperate climate
The only thing on your list that makes for white people.
>>46444681
He's the same kind of person that would say that criticizing muslims is racism.
>>46444219
The writers would probably put in generic Euro-fantasy elements with Asian-sounding names anyway.
>>46451624
Still necessary. You need all 4 in order for it to work.
>>46451603
Because they all trade with and require the existence of Europe to sustain their arid empires.
At best you'd have some kingdoms in Mesopotamia, but not much else.
>>46451634
Asians pretty much are whites with slanted eyes and a taste for dogs and rats, anyways.
>>46451647
I dunno, the tropical tribes of middle america had their agriculture down pretty well. I think if they had iron and, most importantly, more domesticate-able animals they could have become an ocean spanning empire.
>>46444219
everyone is kingz
>>46451648
>All trade with and require the existence of Europe.
That's fucking wrong though. Assuming we put the cut off of Europe at the Bosphorus Strait and exclude the Greeks which inhabited the Anatolian mainland, we'd see a world composed largely of the Iranians, India, China, and Egypt. Europe did not have any particular effect on wider world history until the rise of Alexander.
Don't get me wrong, the question is asinine, but to claim that the historical states of the Middle East and North Africa existed only due to trade with Europe is downright retarded.
Now you could make the argument that without European influence we would never see the development of either Christianity or Islam. Christianity grew out of a wider cultural movement: The mystery cults of Rome. Islam drew heavily from Christian scripture in its founding.
>>46451711
They would have had horses and camels, if the archeoindians hadn't driven them off America and to Asia through hunting.
>>46451733
Yeah, but to be fair EVERYWHERE that humans spread to lost like 80% of its large fauna.
>>46451711
They would have needed to get very good at clear-cutting in order to achieve the requisite agricultural production capacity to support standing armies and oceangoing imperialism. Which is hard without iron tools.
>>46451758
True, but horses and camels aren't necessarily large fauna compared to humans, at least not on the scale of mammoths and mastadons.Australia lost 99% of everything
>>46451761
>if they had iron
Did you read, my dude?
>>46451733
Even if they hadn't lost those, I'm still unsure if it'd be enough compared to everything Europe ended up with.
Still, they were very close to having something.
>>46444351
They aren't meant to be depictions of the original races. The person who made the OP image is a snowflake on DeviantART who wanted to create their own fantasy universe without its usual "problematic" elements. All the characters they made for it are gay or lesbian gendersnowflakes, as well.
>>46451775
I'm not talking about "compared to humans" I'm talking about large in general. Technically, humans are large fauna.That's its own fault for being so flammable.
>>46451711
There were plenty of domesticatable animals in the Americas. Llamas, alpacas, guinea pigs, turkeys, cochineals, certain types of bees, and probably plenty of others.
>>46451799
Fair enough, but shame on those dumb NAmerindians for driving off horses and camels, which then ended up in Europe and Asia, and the ME, respectively.
>>46451809
Of those, only Llamas and Alpacas have any sort of labor utility.
>>46451809
Really the horse is the important one.
You kinda need the horse.
>>46451809
None of which filled the necessary role of "beast of burden".
But yes, they had more than africa which is why they did better than africa on the development front.
>>46451809
Llamas and alpacas were good, but they were basically on par with sheep. You couldn't really ride them quickly or anything.
Turkey would have been nice, though still not as easy as chicken.
There's just nothing there that compares to the sheer variety of stuff Europe got. They had a bunch of options for riding animals, labor animals, milk animals, and food animals.
>>46451818
You could probably tame a buffalo given enough time. I mean fuck, the Aurochs was terrifying and now we've just got dopey ass cows.
>>46451851
Bison are sub-optimal for domestication because they don't stick in family groups once they reach adulthood.
>this op
>this whole threadWE
>>46451903
So pick out the bison NEETs and breed a shit ton of them.
>>46451915
>NEETs
>Successfully breading
![[Skreee].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3d13X8l.jpg "[Skreee].jpg")
>>46451911
ARE
>>46446145
He left int he stupid chicken thing though
>>46451926
Nah man, just jerk 'em off and impregnate some hot bison bitches with their NEET-y seed.
>>46451926
Wait, no, NEETs can bread pretty well, it's breeding they have problems with.
my bad
>>46451603
>The real question is if Islam would even exist.
Probably not, but something like it might. Islam itself was basically Mohammed looking at Christianity and ripping off some portions of it and tacking them onto Judaism and translating it into a different language in order to provide a basis to justify his warband's activities and possibly draw in Jews from the area to join him without having to even fight them. Christianity basically exists because some Roman guys decided to build on stuff written about one of the many tiny sects of Judaism with a supposed messiah at the center of it. And those all happened basically because Rome started taxing the people living in its Middle Eastern territories to fund their empire. No Europeans, no Rome, no Roman Empire, no taxing the Jews, no messiah cults, no Christianity, no Islam.
But, again, there may have been another thing to fill its role anyway. It just wouldn't be Islam.
>>46451938
Yeah but that's some advanced farming shit. It wasn't until the modern era that we got it into our heads to have people fondle male pig's butthole so we can decide who to put his sperm in.
You can't expect a preindustrial civilization to do that stuff on a large scale.
>>46444219
>no culturally European peoples
>I mean no whites period
Pick one.
Otherwise you can have black not!Frenchies, changing nothing.
>>46444319
That would be and is a really cool setting. What the fuck are you on, anon?
>>46451335
>Race is a term used instead of sub-species.
FTFY
Human genetic divergence is great enough to easily be classified into sub-species. Homo sapien neanderthalis for example would be close to a taxonomical name for northern European haploid groups. Seven aleals control hair color in northern Europeans where as only two for western Sub-Saharan Africans for example. There is a larger genetic gap between those two groups than between North American grey wolves and the common coyote but those are considered two distinct species. We don't classify human racial groups as such for political and social reasons in this day and age.
African skin color would change for the climate over time but without the neanderthal DNA that comprises up to 5% of northern European genomes they would not develop many of the physical traits (muscle mass, skeletal structure, cranial structure, hair and eye color, etc.) simply from climate.
I'm not arguing over superiority/inferiority /pol/-tier shit but scientifically speaking:
No, we are not one "race".
>>46451964
Are you implying that the superior, peaceful peoples of the Earth wouldn't have superior knowledge of advanced genetics without evil whitey keeping the black man down?
>>46451980
I'm saying there is no group of humans best adapted to sticking their thumb up an animal's anus.
>>46451996
Slavs, perhaps?
It seems like the most appropriate place to ask this, so :
Is there any rpg based on a arican setting ? It would probably be very refreshing compared to standard med-fan due to the differences in political structures and magic but it seems inexistant apart from an old thread on /tg/ with a kenyan teacher.
>>46444440
Also, what that anon said.
>>46448668
this
>>46452012
This
>>46444219
>What would a fantasy setting be like if there were no culturally European peoples?
it would be like a fantasy setting, but without the usual european based countries. You don't have to base everything on real world history if its a FANTASY setting. You can have everyone originally start off as white people then become blacks by migrating south. You can have all your temperate climate humans be asians and native americans. You can develop things like plate armor, gunpowder and printing in a civilization based on the aztecs. Hell, you can even have none of the humans conform to any real world ethinic group phenotypes and just make up your own "races." Its fantasy, do whatever you want with the setting
>>46452012
Shit, fuck, I didn't think of them
>>46452012
>>46452018
Not a setting directly perhaps.
The issue you run into is many of the kingdoms and centralized poltical powers were very short lived compared to euro-centric monarchies. A great kingdom would spring up for as long as the king lived, maybe through his heir but most fell apart in a matter of decades unless it was a trade hub with the rest of the world.
Could work but it's hard to establish a setting if every power will dissolve in thirty or so years.
>>46452097
Yeah, Africa and stability really don't mix.
>>46444219
THERE'S NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FANTASY WITH X OR A FANTASY WITHOUT X UNTIL YOU WRITE THE GODDAMN SETTING, MOTHERFUCKER. WHY'RE YOU GUYS TRYING TO RATIONALIZE HIS QUESTION? THE SETTING IS WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT IT TO BE AND NO ONE HAS ANY LEGIT COMPLAINTS AS LONG AS IT'S INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.
EVEN TAKING THE QUESTION AT ABSOLUTE FACE VALUE, THE ANSWERS ARE LIMITLESS PAST THE INITIAL TREATMENT THAT NO CULTURAL EUROPEANS EXIST. IT CAN BE FUCKING ANYTHING, IT MIGHT BE WULIN WITH BLACK SAMURAI, IT MIGHT BE ARABIC SOLARPUNK, IT MIGHT BE SO ALIEN THAT NO REAL WORLD PROXY CULTURES EXIST AT ALL.
FUCK.
>>46446519
So... the injuns living in southwestern Pennsylvania get their shit together and establish an industrial center (possibly even right where Pittsburgh is in the real world), and by the time anyone gets to the Americas the entire east coast of North America is about as advanced as anybody else, but with completely different styles of tech, leading to the clash of Old and New World, just played out with more advanced technology and Asians or Africans instead of whites this time? I'd play it.
>>46444219
>What would a fantasy setting be like if there were no culturally European peoples?
Less relatable for a western audience.
>>46451973
Humans actually have hardly any genetic variation compared to most other species due to a genetic bottlegap, and you're grossly overestimating the Neanderthal contribution to the modern genome. Those traits you listed all developed long after the Neanderthals went extinct. European features aren't really closer to Neanderthals than any other race.
>>46444846
Nah, some prophet forbid the science in Islam so nothing about that. It would probably be with muslims conquering Africa and defending Europa against mongols attacks, while China grows stronger. Japan would probably be eternal war stetting.
>>46452352
>Nah, some prophet forbid the science in Islam
Also without whites the Koreans would've been uncontested during the hyperwar
>>46452384
This just shows what a newfag I am but who the fuck is that elf and why is she in every thread.
>>46452396
Marsilla from Dungeon Meshi.
>>46452352
>Nah, some prophet forbid the science in Islam
wat
No really, i need to read about this because i always thought they did pretty well until mongols happened.
>>46444219
>What would a fantasy setting be like if there were no culturally European peoples?
Legend of the Five Rings. It's awful.
>>46444219
probably very hot generally as it would imply that there are no areas with a european style temperate climate.
>>46446505
>I wonder how weather patterns would
Most of Africa is now dealing with constant storms.
>>46452115
/thread
>>46452151
>So... the injuns living in southwestern Pennsylvania get their shit together and establish an industrial center (possibly even right where Pittsburgh is in the real world), and by the time anyone gets to the Americas the entire east coast of North America is about as advanced as anybody else, but with completely different styles of tech, leading to the clash of Old and New World, just played out with more advanced technology and Asians or Africans instead of whites this time?
No.
The issue the injuns have is pointed out >>46446428
>>46446652
here.
America is TOO. FUCKING. BIG. If it gets too annoying somewhere you can just leave. In Europe you immediately step onto the toes of someone else.
Europe is essentially the only place connected enough for trade, diverse and small enough for constant war and moderate in climate enough for both agrarian and cattle farming to actually be profitable.
>>46452448
>probably very hot generally as it would imply that there are no areas with a european style temperate climate.
Northern Japan.
I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck is the question here.
Is the question "what kind of settings could we create that do not rely on European cultures as a source of inspiration?".
Or is it a question whenever that is even possible?
Or is the question "What would the world be like without European cultures?"
Is OP asking for inspirations and ideas for non-european inspired settings?
I'm confused.
>>46444219
3rd attempt at keeping it short:
Reading a history book would not be that much different for the most part.
No early invention of Democracy meaning todays form of government is most likely still a form of Monarchy.
Achaemenid Empire (Persian Empire) does not lose against Greece, so it most likely does not crumble and stays the most dominant power for quite some time. They were very lenient when it came to religion and culture so not much changes for nations to the east.
Zoroastrianism might be still a common relgion today because Christianity/Islam might or might not happen.
Still plenty of big and small wars. Sooner or later the Persian Empire would crumble and new Nations and Empires form and cease to exist.
Differences start to appear with the invention of gunpowder. The former Persian Empire (however it would look like at that point in time) would not be as dominant as the west. Which leads to a lot less successfull colonial peroid. Having huge impact on India and relative little impact on Africa. I do not know anything about India so I can not imagine the changes on it.
Biggest Impact: World War I - does not happen. A similar event would be inevitable but maybe at a smaller scale. Meaning that nothing like the United Nations would form. War would be still seen a lot more glorified than today. Without the UN colonisation never ends. Which means wars between neighboring nations over territorial gains are a lot more common.
Some possible big Impacts that changes everything:
No Christianity could lead to no Gutenberg, and without book print everything changes, unlikely because sooner or later someone would have done the same.
India or China becomes the most dominant power in the world when Gunpowder is invented.
Guess it's a lot shorter than my first two attempts but still long
>>46451781
Wait, why do these guys have weapons and shit if there's no evil white man to keep them down?
>>46444219
Read Years of Rice and Salt
>>46447318
>Japan finding north america
Only to be greeted by muskets from the Polynesian-Amerindian alliance. The exploration range for them pasific islanders are massive
>>46453061
>Zoroastrianism might be still a common relgion today because Christianity/Islam might or might not happen
this doesn't make any sense, both of those religions "came" from the middle-east
>>46452427
Al-Ghazali essentially rejected Classical philosophy and the notion of true cause and effect, which fucked with the theological justifications for pursuing science. Since most of the idle intellectuals of the time were clergymen, it wasn't a great move.
>>46452352
There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God.
Muhammad is also considered "The Seal of the Prophets" or the last one. This is considered true by Sunni and Shia.
Whether or not anyone else has any particular standing or role to play as a leader of lesser, but still important stature, well, that is a point of argument.
And by argument I mean potentially very violent conflict.
And it's not like it's a singular thing. This and similar issues have been a primary cause for (extremely violent and bitter) dispute for centuries.
As to the greater topic I think someone else would probably be trying to do what Europe did, or would given similar opportunities and circumstances. Of course, something slightly or very different might happen, including the possibility of relative stasis.
>>46451582
>A temperate, wet climate that allows agriculture without needing complex irrigation
>Large forests
>what are the mongols?
>>46451949
> Islam itself was basically Mohammed looking at Christianity and ripping off some portions of it and tacking them onto Judaism and translating it into a different language in order to provide a basis to justify his warband's activities and possibly draw in Jews from the area to join him without having to even fight them
i take it you don't know what you're talking about do you?
>this thread
JESUS, AMERICANS REALLY ARE THAT STUPID
>>46444219
just wait till 2050 m8 :^)
>>46456794
Shut it yurofaggot.
>>46456551
>Mongols
>ocean-spanning empire
>not just murderers on horses
>>46444219
How can a nomad get that fat?
With nobody to compete with them, East and Middle Eastern Asians would probably dominate the entire world. And if history has shown anything, they're a lot more ruthless when it comes to genocide, so Africans and Australians would probably all be killed. Don't know if the North American natives could survive.
>>46458555
>With nobody to compete with them, East and Middle Eastern Asians would probably continue to dominate the entire world
FTFY
>>46458555
>so Africans and Australians would probably all be killed
No, Aboriginals would likely be wiped out, sure, but China and the Middle east had been trading with Sub-Saharan Africa long before the Euros ever arrived
>>46458653
If we look at the Chinese now, they're going to colonise Africa and take its resources without even the courtesy of pretending to educate them.
Would the slave trade end?
>>46458715
>Would the slave trade end?
technically it never did, it just went underground and besides who do you think they were getting slaves from, there's a reason it's called the slave TRADE
>>46458887
No shit the Africans would keep trying to sell, but for Europe it became both fashionably humanist and economically silly to keep slaves around after industrial manufacturing really took off.
Would the Arabs or the Chinese end up disestablishing it after their eventual industrialisation, would African slaves be a status symbol for the idle rich instead of an economic thing or would slaves be kept for proper labour for some reason?
>>46458996
>would African slaves be a status symbol for the idle rich instead of an economic thing
2 words
Harem Eunuchs
>after their eventual industrialisation
you do know the industrial revolution was not a historical inevitability right, also the Chinese had already abolished(and restored) slavery several times in their history
>>46444219
200,000 years of zero technological prowess
>>46446765
>Who's Alexander.
>Who was Rome and the ERE.
>All the Pre bronze age collapse cities and cultures tahn were wrecked.
Anon pls stop Embarasing yourself.
>North nomad woman
Awww yeah unf to the unf power.
You know what I'd like to see? An alternate Earth where apes became the dominant land mammals. Carnivorous saber-toothed apes hunting fist-walking behemoths while their smaller-fanged cousins develop pastoralism. Meanwhile, a neandertal-equivalent develops steam engines at the bottom of a Mediterranean that remains dry and North America is traversed by herds of Paranthropus derivatives corralled by flightless crow-people.
>>46446606
>being this retarded
So Ruskies are alive and all the other Indo-Iranian tribes?
>>46461928
>An alternate Earth where apes became the dominant land mammals
You mean, like now?
>>46464808
>Just one species
You had one job anon, and it wasn't a handjob.
>>46461928
>posting woot
No
>>46444219
>reverse racism
You're retarded.
>>46444939
>Jews
>ethnically white
Are you retarded or just 12?
Ashkenazi are German converts, Judaism is a sand wizard religion, as is Christianity and Islam.
>>46452151
>native Americans
>industrial
Considering exactly how tree-hugger their policies were and the fact that nostalgia-mode elders dictated most decisions, AND that they couldn't hold together a confederacy even when wolves were at, past, and through the gate, I'm kind of doubting your perfect Indeeaboo vision here.
>>46451973
>There is a larger genetic gap between those two groups than between North American grey wolves and the common coyote but those are considered two distinct species. We don't classify human racial groups as such for political and social reasons in this day and age
That's not how species are defined you moron. A species is defined by whether or not they can fuck and make babies that can also fuck and make babies. And no matter what races of people you pick a pair of fertile humans of opposite genders can fuck and make babies that can fuck any other humans and make babies.
Humans are 100% the same fucking species.
Avatar the Last Airbender.
>>46444219
Well I'm guessing the more resource rich europe is now up for grabs so the world would be maybe slowed down in technological development for a good 100-500 years before the new innhabitants use their better resources and colder climate to their advantage.
The reason europe exceled at what they did, much like china, is cause they had better climate than the rest. Being in a warm country just seems to make the natives less progressive. I guess it has to do with the risk of death.
>>46451970
are you retarded or something?
>>46445691
Neither. Can't you read?
>>46468226
Full of appropriation of white culture.
