Khajiit Edition
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>Lore Resources
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[Pocket Guide to the Lore] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
[Elder Lore Podcast] http://www.elderlore.wordpress.com/
[How to Become a Lore Buff] http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1112211-how-to-become-a-lore-buff/
>General Rules
No waifus or husbandos except Vehk and Vehk
Keep the MK/Lady N related squabbling to a minimum.
To keep this from becoming /tesg/ minus waifus, don't post memes unless you are also posting quality discussion. Especially if it's not even Elder Scrolls related.
Previous Kalpa: >>46415416
Dope.
xth for you guys are good people to share a thread with
Skooma cats best cats.
>>46442667
Y-you too.
>>46442667You too.
>>46442679
I cannot look at this without being at least slightly rustled.
If all the races went into an all out war until only one was left alive, which race would survive? My bet is on the argonians.
>>46442752
First of all, that an incredibly dumb scenario.
>>46442797
It is hypothetical and not based in reality at all, just curious.
>>46442752
That would never happen. Even if it did, there'd be no winner.
>>46442752
Only one answerCrab people
>>46442835The dunmer would win simply because they'd consider losing a victory in and of itself.
>>46442752
There'd be no winner, realistically speaking. If every race in the entire franchise were to go full retard and try to genocide eachother, I guess I'd have to put my money on either the sload or the dwemer.
>>46442862
CRAAAAB PEOPLE
CRAAAB PEOPLE
TASTE LIKE CRAB
TALK LIKE PEOPLE
>>46442862
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5wmDhzgY8
>>46442835
>>46442862
>>46442873
>>46442884
What would happen to the grey beards in this scenario? Also, why so much support for the crabs? I thought not much was known about them outside of knowing they used to rule in a previous Kalpa or something similar.
Side question: what do the Sloan think of mudcrabs? Are they like cats to the sload?
>>46442966
Sload don't feel affection.
>>46442966
>What would happen to the grey beards in this scenario?
They'd sit up in their temple being smug until they get soundnuked by the dwemer or die of a sload bio-weapon and turn into zemblers. Parthy would probably cry.
And sload hate mudcrabs. They hate everything. Even eachother.
>>46441257
Favorites:
>Bretons
Half-elves that aren't snowflakes, because race made from racemixing not just one-offs. Magically resistant. Have a strong tradition of warriors, so they're not just mages all the time, and can balance an artistic and poetic side with that of a warrior. Have a rather normal culture, but have hints at being more exotic because of their close contact with various cultures. Probably have cute women. Also get to enjoy a lot of trade and naval adventures.
>Khajiit
Loveable fuckers. Their mindset and attitude towards life and the world appeals to me, as both down-to-earth in its wisdom and lighthearted and cheeky. They way they were shown in Skyrim especially appeals to me, as very comfy merchants and friendly gypsies. I'm probably not the only man who'd want to cuddle a Khajiit girl.
>Dunmer
Strong willed and passionate in many ways. Interesting and unique multi-faceted culture. Not treated like elves are usually treated - they've had their grand culture smashed, but it's actually affecting them pretty badly and not just a pretext for sadness. Cute women. Interesting worship of Daedra, when normally they're considered evil by outlanders.
Least favorites:
>Argonians
I just can't love them like others do. One side of the lore makes them too human, the other much too inhuman. Alienness isn't my draw. They also aren't given much of a culture, despite a lot of hintings. Dino-lizards also aren't my thing.
>Altmer
Mostly because the Thalmor were the strongest organization made up of Altmer that I remember. All the others were scattered and didn't act too different from people of other races. When that's your big impression of a race as a whole, it's hard to get past. Bit too snooty and generic high-elf for me.
>Sload
They're an entire race that's just mean. Even politeness and friendships are just tools for them. A very interesting race, but not one I can enjoy.
>>46443054
Why isn't the dwemer on your least favorite list? They are arguably more mean than the sload and are the definition of anti-comfy.
t. snow elf
Was anyone else disappointed that they brought back the old khajiit voice for ESO? I liked the one from Skyrim and Redguard personally as opposed to the VELKUM from the other games.
>>46443054
>You will never cuddle a Khajiit grill on a cold winter night.
Also, Bretons definitely have cute women. Small and petite witch girl are best.
What other obscure houses other than Sotha, Mora, Sadras ans Sathil (that's a lot of S) do we know of?
>>46443216
>Small and petite witch girl are best
Aye but ye ent gunna get strong sons from a Breton lass.
>>46443371
Redoran
Telvanni
Hlaalu (dead)
Dres
Indoril
Sadras
Sotha (dead)
Sathil
Mora (dead)
Dwemer (dead)
Dagoth (dead)
I think thats all of them
>>46443371
There's minor house Alas, though I have no idea what they did. Apparently they had something to do with the worship of Mehrunes Dagon.
>>46443425
>Hlaalu (dead)
These words are warming my soul.
>>46443443
Alas? Can I get a source on them?
Argonians, feathered or not?
>>46443458
Will you except a tomb full of daedra with Mehrune's Razor in it? I originally thought it was just a family crypt, but the fact that there's members of other families in there, namely the Hleras made me question that.
>>46443443
You mean the guys whom the Alas Ancestral Tomb belongs to? I don't remember them being referred to as a minor house.
>>46443502
Only one tribe has feathers.That being said, burdlizards a qt.
>>46443371
Take any ancestral tomb.
If you want to ask that question, you probably need to start with what we're defining as a house.
Do we mean the political groups, or the family groups.
>>46443502
Not.
>>46443371
House Retheran and House Drenim.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Battle_of_Molag_Beran
>>46443502
Both.
>>46443550
well just because you're in a great house does not mean you're their "family" IMO
I would call a "great house" a band of people with similar ideals with lots of political sway.
>>46443416
He'll be strong if he wants to be a knight, but magic is where it's really at.
>>46443564
Damn, I always forget about the stuff from Entertainers. Thanks.
>>46443550
Ra'athim were more of a clan than a House, but they were political as shit.
I guess you could consider a congregation of several clans a House.
>>46443577
Of course not. There's families, which is not the same as a clan, which is not the same as a house.
>>46443535
I guess it depends on how you interpret the term House. Technically a clan of substantial size could be a minor house without being THE Minor Houses, which is further complicated by the fact that a lot of the Houses came from clans with familial bloodlines.
So I could be full of shit. Or not.
>>46443577
Right. The problem is while there's a good distinction between a house (family) and a Great House (political party) they never give a real distinction between a minor house and a great house. I'm gonna assume a minor house and a great house is like the difference between the green party and the democrats, or another small party and one of the two major parties.
>>46443564
Funny thing, Drenim are afflied with Telvanni and Retheran are with Redoran. And both families have an execution writ given on one of their members.
I guess these two still can't let go of their feud.
>>46443709
I'm pretty sure that the divide between Great House and Minor House is pretty clear. Great Houses are represented on the Great Council, others are not.
>>46443736
Dunmer grudges last a long time.
Hey Trainwiz, is it true you work for Bethesda, now?
This might be worth a read, talking about Houses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_society
>>46443817
I've talked with them at GDC and have an interview lined up, and they really liked my stuff.
>>46443119
Probably because I like them for what they managed to do, even if it was a failure and rather silly. Plus they had some unique sound-shaping things. All sload have is shaping coral and necromancy.
>>46443216
Khajiit girl sadness is real. And the last cute Breton woman I remember was that lady in Morrowind who fell in love with a thief.
>>46443416
Check the river tribes. They're probably strong.
That's part of why my dislike of ESO is personal - it glossed over the few unique things about the Bretons for the sake of an MMO. Thousands of kingdoms can't possibly be represented, the different cultures and craziness gets lost.
>>46443854
If you get the job, you have to put an easter egg in there.
Also, what are you going to do? Programming?
>>46443874
>it glossed over the few unique things
>Thousands of kingdoms can't possibly be represented, the different cultures and craziness gets lost.
How is that any different than normal TES though?
>>46443854
>>46443874
I quite like how they look in Skyrim.
>>46443889
Most likely design. Don't worry, I'll make c0da canon, just for you guys.
>>46443937
I was just wandering if you had an excuse to put an easter egg. Like how the Dwemer pipes in Morrowind spell out "Wormgod", have it spell out "Tell me lies" or something.
>>46443937
Thanks Mr.Wiz! I eagerly look forward to flipping back and forth from an in-game tab to a wikipedia page about Zunist philosophy just so I can figure out what the fuck is happening!
>>46443937
Do you actually have to move out near one of their hqs or does Bethesda allow you to just work from home?
>>46443937
Can you make catgirls real?
Also, speaking about best cats, they kind of got an unexpected text in Skyrim that I rarely see people talk about.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Tale_of_Dro%27Zira
It's kind of weird to see the Khajiits get their version of Red Mountain, especially as late as Skyrim.
neck deep in lore, i spent septims on it
>>46444016
I've never heard of a major game company that lets people work from home
>>46443905
Well, if it was at least the size of Skyrim, we could have the Bjoulae river at least make an appearance, sort of like the Reachmen, and you could have a couple of culturally different kingdoms. You might not be able to get any serious detail, but at least it would be there. But an MMO across all of Tamriel gives a lot less space to work with, and with hundreds of other races and cultures to include that were better represented in other games and would be sorely missed...
>>46443935
They're not bad, per se. I just usually can't tell them apart from Imperials, Nords, or even lightly tanned Redguards.
>>46444034
>they kind of got an unexpected text in Skyrim that I rarely see people talk about
I never really realized that Dro'Zira was introduced in Skyrim.
It's a pretty good text imo.
>>46444034
In fairness, the Khajiit have a literal oral tradition in that they gain knowlage from their mother's milk. They don't have much need for books, and Words of Clan Mother Ahnissi was really the only Khajiiti literature aside from Rajhin's tales and Ahzirr Traajijazeri to be seen outside of Elsweyr.
>>46444156
>they gain knowledge from their mother's milk
What? How does that even work? It's not like humans could grab a bottle and learn all things Khajiit.
Maybe if there was moon sugar involved.
>>46444258
No idea. But they apparently do. I guess it works in more or less the same way Hist sap does for Argonians, with the exception of the physiology changes.
>>46444001
You're god damned welcome.
>>46444110
Really, I find the distinction to be pretty obvious.
Their face and body is thin, and looks more elven. In Oblivion, they have rounder features, and in Skyrim, they return to having soft, heart shaped faces.
Imperials are far duskier, and tend to have pointy faces.Instead of high cheekbones, they tend to stick out of their skull.
Nords tend to have exaggerated, almost Aryan-propaganda like features. Broad chin, high and gaunt cheeks, and wide jaws. Plus, there's a huge height difference.
I am really good with faces, though, so it might just be me.
>>46443937
Please bring back spears.
Also this >>46444034
Only you have the power to make catgirls and alfiq canon again and bring balance to the lore
>>46443937
>>46444487
Fuck that, bring back Mysticism.
>>46444487
I primarily wanted him to make catgirls actually real.
But if we can get them in game, I guess that's alright too.
>>46444481
Well you sound better at faces than I am. I'll make sure to look for that next time I play.
>>46444487
Of all the things pruned from ES, spears almost hurt the most.
>>46444511
This. You can argue on if Mysticism is good for game balance if most people are not going to train it as a skill, but it's damn annoying to have all its spells split up among other schools.
>>46444487
All of this. Help us Trainwiz Kenobi, you're our only hope unless Papa Ken comes back.
Have you ever roleplayed a character based on another fictional character?
>>46444570
Eh, I'd rather have more space battles and in-depth boss fights on complicated moving levels.
>>46444618
Not outright, as far as I can remember, but I usually look to fictional characters for inspiration.
>>46444530
Also, look for the creased brow. For some reason Bretons are prone to it.
>>46444618
All of my characters will eventually turn into Johnny Dollar.
>>46444626
Fuck it, that's close enough.
>>46444675
HOLY SHIT I REMEMBER YOU.
>>46444618
Most of my characters tend to fit the idea of a Byronic Hero. That might be because all of my favorite heroes growing up we like that, or maybe because I'm like that.Most of my mages act like Howl.
>>46444403
Is that Polnareff
>>46442989
Ah, so the sload are like the cats in that scenario.
>>46444618
Yes. It went horribly, because I was trying to work with a character made for one setting in another with a different situation. I'm never going to do it again.
...Unless I can be Sir Malcolm Murray from Penny Dreadful.
>>46444796
No, it's the Nerevarine
>>46444773
Thanks. I think.
>>46444800
If cats murdered people and sent their dead bodies to their children in boxes full of plague rats, yes.
Who is best god and why is it Magnus?
>>46445011
You mean Zenithar, right? And if we're talking Daedra, throw Peryite in.
>>46444854
Why did he always wear that mask?
>>46445039
So that he could look like the demon he had become.
>>46445039
Because if he removed it, it would be extremely painful for you.
>>46445011
That's not how you spell Peryite.
>>46445091
>>46445032
Liking Peryite is like liking Green Mario more than Mario.
>>46445039
They agreed that Vivec would be the good looking one when they formed the Tribunal, Sotha Sil doesn't want to upstage him.
>>46445158
Luigi > Mario
>>46445187
Who?
>>46445218
The green one.
>>46445244
Oh, yeah. He's good. Better than Yellow Mario and Purple Mario.
>>46445296
You mean the Marios of Trouble.heresy
>>46445181
That's silly logic Trainwiz, since Alm is obviously beautiful.
>>46445376
People like her because she's easy, not because she's pretty.
>>46445492
Someone sounds mad that their husbando got killed
I'm just kidding man, all of the Tribunal are pretty cool.
>>46445540
Getting killed was part of his plan.
The Dominion is going to be disastrous for the Khajiit. Not only because they're subservient to the Thalmor, but because they've been forced away from nearly everything Khajjiti society is supposed to be about. I truly believe that everything that has happened in Elsweyr in the Fourth Era is slowly pushing them towards a depth I don't know if they'll ever really recover from.
This is going to get into speculation area, but I hope you get my point, and that I haven't made too many mistakes.
No race has an affinity with the moons in the same way the Khajiit have. Now, there's some uncertainty about what exactly this relationship means, for they are a secretive people, but it's clear that it's there. The Khajiit need the moons, and should the moons fail, the Khajiit believe that they must set them right. So the Void Nights wasn't only a social and religious trauma, it was also in a sense one of their greatest failures.
>"The Khajiit must be the best climbers, for if Masser and Secunda fail, they must climb Khenarthi's breath to set the moons back in their courses."
Yet when the moons did fail, there was nothing the Khajiit could do about it. I think it's hard to underestimate the failure of the secret defenders.
>>46445620
Then we have the death of the Mane. Now, the Mane was an entity that though mortal in some sense, appears godlike in others. He's not just a ruler and a spiritual leader, but almost an embodiment of Khajiiti faith. He might have been with the Khajiit since their birth as a race, and whenever things have broken down, the Mane has been there to set it right. When the surprising harmony that seems to characterize Khajiiti society is broken, he sets everything right, and does so in accordance to the moons.
He's dead now. Gone. Possibly forever.
>>46445590
Suuuure it was, and the Clockwork City was really a gigantic computer that could store his mind.
Even assuming that was true, how do we know the city wasn't broken? Or that he managed to upload himself before he was killed? Or even that the upload worked?
>>46445590
Well congratulations, he got himself killed! so what's the next step of his master plan?
>>46445642
The dissolution of Elsweyr back into to kingdoms goes against everything the Khajiit seem to be about, namely harmony. Let me expand upon this. Two things that appear to be constant factors in Khajiiti society is the multitudes of everything, and the fact that these multitudes so often work harmoniously together. The Khajiit live in large family-tribes or clans, because it is the only way to raise their children. They're all different, yet they work together, and there's no discrimination based off form. When north and south united to form Elsweyr, peace was eventually found not by removing multitude, but by harmoniously sharing power based on the phases of the moons. In the early First Era, a similar situation existed, where sixteen relatively peaceful kingdoms all lived well in multitude, and shared their power also in accordance to the movements of the moons.
Elsweyr goes through these cycles of harmonious co-existence and internal conflict, but it's apparent that the first appears to be the way things "should" be. Splitting them up entirely goes against this.
There's a possible metaphysical tie-in here, but it's stretching it a bit far.
They have no history of standing armies in the sense that other provinces have, nor have they been very expansionist (unless you're Bosmer, then you can go fuck yourself). I doubt that the Thalmor will let this stand, and I expect them to have drafted Khajiiti regiments.
>>46445648
You silly, the Clockwork City might be a computer, but it's not for him, it's for his daughter.
>>46445679
who the fuck is his daughter?
>>46445669
>>46445669
And lastly, the Khajiit are fiercely independent, yet the Dominion was nearly welcomed in. This speaks volumes of how much that has gone wrong for the Khajiit, to drive them to this point. They've failed as defenders, undergone a religious and social crisis, lost their wise, ideal and loving leader, and seemingly gladly accepted shackles. And when the Dominion came, they made it so that Elsweyr was broken in two, and the Riddle-T'har made impossible.
I mean, Beth could always go "And then the Empire won and everything was alright and the Cats all stopped doing drugs because Skooma is just sweet water and they all became loyal Imperial citizens the end, also catgirls don't real", but I don't really feel like that's going to happen.
I worry about the cats, /tgesg/. Things are going to get really uncomfy.
>>46445679
Is this headcanon or is this real? Because it is lonely to be a god.
>>46445700
Memory.
>>46445700
Well, see, when a Seht and a Seht loves Seht very much, Seht sticks his penis inside his other penis and makes an artificial godbaby to run the world.
>>46445754
This is a sermon I can get behind.
>>46445659
Crashing this kalpa. With no survivors.
Post your tinfoil hat theories, mine is that the argonian invasion of morrowind was an appeal to SJW shekels because of muh slavery.
>>46445824
Ebonarm was just Reman under a different name.
Though if you really accept TESO, Ebonarm is actually a constellation.
>>46445824
NOW_THIS_IS_PODBAITING.bmp
>>46445824
Everything out of MK's mouth.
>>46445824
If that was the case then it backfired and put the slavers in an even stronger position than before. Redoran at the head of dunmer society? We Endeavor now. CHIM soon, fellow ashbros.
>>46445853
How is this bait?
>>46445824
The orcs are actually the remaining descendants of the Dunmer. The fact that they were accepted and cursed by a god kept them from getting sucked into Numidium, and it explains their skill with repairing armor and blacksmithing.
>>46445824
Mine is bethesda has literally any idea where they're going with the lore
>>46445838
is this info on UESP yet? If not, please elaborate
>>46445824
this
>>46445838
>>46445896
Also, The next TES game will be far worse than FO4. Probably including a dialogue wheel.Also, Todd Howard is a Lich from before recorded history, who gains power from deceit and trickery. This is his retirement, just lying enough to coast along.
>>46445938
What? That? That's just my theory on Reman-Ebonarm connections.
As for ESO, there's concept art that has the Warrior from Craglorn, buth originally labeled as Ebonarm.
>>46446000
A dialogue wheel would almost be an improvement after how fucking pathetic the dialogue options in Skyrim were.
>>46446177
But how could anyone ever top Skyrim's masterful topics, like
>What am daedra?
>What's a dragon?
>I don't know what my own race is!
>[Remain silent]
>>46446217
Don't forget Morrowind's amazing topics. The Nerevarine was quite impressive, holding all those titles even though he was only capable of screaming one-word sentences at people.
>>46446244
Look, if Numidium can do it, why can't the Horator?
>>46446244
Don't forget shamelessly flirting with any female he met.
>>46446284
Really? I thought he just would randomly pay someone a thousand gold and then call their mother a whore.
>>46446306
No, no, that's silly. He gives two thousand gold to merchants, sells them a bunch of junk and broken weapons for four thousand gold, and then breaks into peoples houses to steal their candles and do it all over again.
>>46446347
Nerevarine never sold anything to merchants silly, he'd just dump it on a mudcrab.
>>46446374
And got drunk with a dancing scamp and that orcish furry.
>>46446392
Well hey, it's all part of the mantling process
>>46446374
So serious non-joke question, what would you be doing at Bethesda if you got hired, and would you seriously slip in c0da things?
>>46446502
Boss design and level design.
And probably. just to fuck with people.
>>46446463
I was under the impression mantling involved nails and a trip to IKEA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MnhhBoioCI
I wonder if you could replace the Morrowind intro with this.
>>46446463
Interesting screenshot, what's that from?
Also, do you reckon the Nerevarine was a true example of mantling? I'm personally leaning towards a yes, but the general consensus seems to be pretty split for somewhat good reasons.
>>46446613
Tamriel Rebuilt. It's Nerevar's corpse.
>>46446624
what the shit
>>46446463
where in tamriel rebuilt can i find his corpse. Necrom I assume?
Does Todd Howard know his reputation? Has he seen all the videos? Does he care?
What's the lore reason for creeper and the mudcrab merchant? It's been forever since I played morrowind so I can't remember if it says why.
>>46446780
Would you?
>>46446780
Yes, yes, no.
>>46446786
Creeper is just Barabas, the MMC is just a mudcrab.
>>46446780
Also, why does this Breton look like him?
>>46446780
Same thing as anthony burch desu. I would imagine at least one person at bethesda has gone on 4chan and seen it.
>>46446792
A little, yeah. It's one of those things where I'd laugh but also feel kind of bad.
>>46446780
>>46446769
last I checked it's not in any of the builds currently. When it gets added in it would gradually react to your progress through the main quest.
>>46446786
Creeper is Barbas, I think there's some dev fic about the mudcrab being cursed by some deity.
>>46446814
>the mmc is just a mudcrab
How the talking tho? Did the sload train him to do it?
>>46446463
>still has feet and a face
>no gaping hole in chest
>>46446875
That's nice and somewhat pertinent, but it doesn't really clear anything up.
>>46446920
I don't think foul murder is supposed to be taken in a completely literal sense.
>>46446780
He might've gotten wind of it, but at this point he'd probably recognize it's more of a meme than a legitimate slur against him.
Besides, it's not like he's actually done anything wrong. He's been around since Redguard, but no one complained then. They've just used him as a scapegoat for Skyrim's faults, and I believe Oblivion.
>>46447199
My mistake - he actually joined the company in 1994. So he's been around a long while. Poor Todd.
>>46447293
He's been with bethesda since before I was born.
>>46447446
And he'll be there long after you die.
>>46447293
His first assignment at Beth was testing the CD-ROM version of Arena. He's been with this series longer than anyone else. Though his involvement with Arena and Daggerfall was limited, even if he did some unspecified design work for the latter.
>"My first assignments were testing the CD-ROM version of Arena, and producing NCAA Basketball: Road to the Final Four 2, a game that was being developed externally and had been left for dead."
>Howard quickly made his way up the corporate ladder, and was a producer/designer on the third game he worked on, called Terminator: Future Shock. He also did some work on the second full installment to The Elder Scrolls series, Daggerfall.
>>46447527
Wasn't MK originally pixel artist for Daggerfall?
>>46447293
Most people working for Bethesda have been there a fuckload of time. They like it.
>>46447559
No, Kirkles joined after the release of Daggerfall, as far as I know.
Since then he has ported Shrek, fucked with Star Wars, and done slave labour for Minecraft.
Also, there's raunchy pictures in the files of either Daggerfall or Arena. I can't remember which.
>>46447823
Daggerfall.
>>46447823
Didn't argonians and khajiit used to be naked as shit all the time? Might be mistaken
>>46447981
There's just unrelated pictures of girls. It has nothing to do with the game.
Then again, Daggerfall is the lewdest TES game.
>>46447614
Keepdreaming.
>>46447527
Terminator Future shock was fucking awesome.
Never forget.
>>46448149
To be fair, half of those ideas sound retarded.
>>46448208
Everything except the 50 day time limit sounds fantastic.
>>46448208
I would rather just have the player have interactive dreams.
>>46448149
>>46448208
>>46448276
The first one sounds decent, nothing radiant quests couldn't do
The dream menu with proverbs and shit could really just be done with a different UI and the level up messages from Oblivion
>>46447733
Oh my gosh, Todd's barely aged. Dude takes care of himself I guess.
Does anyone know why they shifted from their original idea for Arena to what they made?
>>46448359
>Morrowind level up quips
>past a certain level it tries to imply that you're past your prime
>>46448432
see
>>46446000
Do you mean why they dropped the gladiator bit?
>>46448432
He's only 44.
Here's a pic from this year.
Dunno about Arena. I guess I could dig up some answer.
>>46448149
>>46448208
I'd argue the first idea is okay, up until the lategame assassinations. Would a player seriously want to level up if there was a risk of death without a chance to fight back? If it was something like the Tribunal DLC's Dark Brotherhood, that might be worthwhile.
The second idea is also horrible for a gameplay perspective, because it would mean that the player would be forced to complete the main quest and the civil war quest within fifty to a hundred days. What's the point of a sandbox game if you don't get to play how you'd want to?
The opposing faction idea is gold, expect for the fact that TES has no way to really handle such situations aside from perhaps disguising yourself. And I wouldn't want to lug around some Imperial armor just so that I could do business in Solitude now and again.
Hardcore mode is great.
>>46448513
>Would a player seriously want to level up if there was a risk of death without a chance to fight back?
It would turn out one of two ways:
1), the assassins are too weak to actually be a threat, and actually just become a pointless hassle.
2), the assassins are dangerous, which just means that every time you want to level up, you need to save beforehand, and perhaps savescum. It's going to get boring real fast.
Would have worked as a response to something you did, but as a random chance it's just kind of shit.
>>46448359
Some of these later messages get downright depressing if you leave out part of them.
>You've been trying too hard, thinking too much.
>Life isn't over.
>With the life you've been living, the punishment your body has taken...there are limits, and maybe you've reached them. Is this what it's like to grow old?
>...it's so hard to get better. But you just keep trying...
>But one day, you'll lose a step, or drop a beat, or miss a detail...and you'll be gone forever.
>>46448513
Of course it would be an excuse for combat rather than random RNG death. The second idea could be fine as long as they handled the consequences properly It also doesn't have to be a game ending time limit. Village X could be blown up after Y days and shit like that. Something measured. You can also just make the time limit noticeable but still really long like in Fallout, it puts some need for urgency in the player's mind while still being really easy to not fuck up.
>>46448513
Time limits are, as a rule, always shit.
Scenario Time!
>In order to keep the gaming nigger community happy, Bethesda does the next TES game in Hammerfell
>Throughout the development process, due to laziness, Todd and "Bethesda Quality", they strip out and dumb down every piece of Redguard lore except two pieces
>What two pieces of classic Reguard Lore would you want them to keep and why?
>>46448612
>And that's why I decided to accept the open office of the Prince of Madness.
>>46448649
The Spirit Sword, so that stuff like sword-singing and the Phaktohowthehelldoyouspellthis has to be acknowledged in someway, and Ebonarm so they are forced to admit things happened before Skyrim.
>>46448649
Sword singing and piracy.
>>46448649
I just care that their maritime importance is represented.
>>46448359
It generally takes me less than an in-game year to get to level 21 in Oblivion...
>>46447199
>Besides, it's not like he's actually done anything wrong.
This is both true and not true. Truth is complicated, but it's quite likely that Todd Howard was (indirectly) responsible for "genericization" of lore and stuff.
Although, the ones you should blame it are those random designer and artist guys that Bethesda added in roster after Morrowind. They don't talk much and aren't famous, but they're the ones who do most the design. These are the guys that people should go bashing with full force because it would be probably easier to influence them. It's only a part of the problem that Todd okays them, but Todd is bit simple guy (despite being brilliant doing business), so he likes shit tier generic stuff and thinks senseless violence is cool. His far too easily impressed by mediocre and boring things if they're flashy enough. Good thing is that Todd mostly loves weird lore too, so getting better designers inside Bethesda could fix a lot of things.
Btw it was actually Ken Rolston (of awesome Morrowind fame) who fucked up Oblivion. Unbelievable I know, but it's the sad truth.
Ps.
I'm not even going to blame him for casualization of TES games because vasualization isn't really part of the problem. You can make casual consoleshit thatäs awesome just look at KoTOR Shitlords or New Vegas.
What happened to oreyn after oblivion?
>>46448612
Well, they speak of the truth technically. Playing when you're low level is more fun and leveling tickles the reward system in your head. This combined with too fast leveling that Morrowind has makes our hero's journey quite sad because by the time he has explorer less half of the world he will have maxed up levels and thus will get no simple rewards for continuing his quests.
I'm glad there are mods that make leveling much slower.
>>46448432
>Does anyone know why they shifted from their original idea for Arena to what they made?
Because they figured out that the engine they were using for simple gladiator fights allowed grand epic RPG adventure.
>>46449175
I haven't had that problem outside of Fallout3actually. Even with DLCs, and avoiding the perk that increases experience gained, I didn't get to do half of what I wanted to do before I was at level 20 and everything was too easy.
By the time I reached close to max level in Oblivion, I was happy - I'd done the main quest, a fair part of several side quests and questlines, and I was ready to start a new kalpa.
>>46449499
>By the time I reached close to max level in Oblivion, I was happy - I'd done the main quest, a fair part of several side quests and questlines, and I was ready to start a new kalpa.
Well, it works fine if you have philosophy like that.
Personally, I have completionist tendencies bordering on OCD. I'm that guy who does every quest, looks into every cave and wants to collect all magic items in game. Just feels so good when you achieve full 100% completion with single character.
>>46449815
I find going full 100% to be so difficult to do that it's not really worth my time. Especially since in a TES game, I'm probably going to roleplay a little bit or have some things I won't do. I wouldn't take the Dark Brotherhood questline along with the Thieves Guild, because the Thieves Guild is specific about not murdering while the Dark Brotherhood is. And going both Mages Guild and Thieves Guild would be tricky, because of what skills you really need to do well in each.
>>46449913
I actually do both roleplaying and ocd-completionism. Really good games like original Fallout usually have it so that every quest can be done in various ways. Morrowind is pretty good on this too except for main quest that sucks for having only imperial starting option.
Ofcourse with Oblivion and Skyrim it becomes harder. I hate it how those games won't even try prevent you from joining conflicting guilds.
>>46443935
>not posting Muiri
Shit taste, anon.
>>46450476
She's a qt, but I killed the dark brotherhood.
>>46443937
Fuck everybody's suggestions, you do whatever the hell you want and we'll all eat it up anyway.
Give me some good Dark elve names.
>>46451055
But the good thing about Trainwiz being a modder is that we don't have to eat anything up if we don't want to. I'm not wishing him ill, especially since it would probably be hard for him to make c0da canon from the design team if Bethesda didn't want it, but I want my freedom to be pissy and not eat anything up.
>>46451343
Here; on page 8 there's a ton of Dunmer names.
>>46451356
You do know that Todd actually approved Kirkbride's stuff like 90% of time when he worked at Bethesda? So as long as he is project leader I don't see it being hard to push C0DA.
>/tgesg/ - Weekend Bethesda Bitching and Trainwiz Cocksuckery
And to think the previous thread was actually good.
>>46452082
It happens when people look for an elderscrolls thread that isn't the waifu shithole that is tesg
Instead of bitching though, how about presenting a topic to discuss that isn't trainwiz or antibethesda?
Like why aren't their more wizard hats to wear, that seems like a stereotype they just forgot to implement
>>46452126
Colovian fur helm not enough wizard for you?
>>46452082
>Trainwiz Cocksuckery
So normal tgesg stuff
>>46443854
I'm sorry for Nanosteam, but I'm happy for you.And for us; you're our last hope, Trainguy.
>>46452142
It's not pointy enough, and the brim is too short
>>46452126
>One little word. 'Ingredients.' Pointy hats and bottlepackers all need their ingredients. Go out, pop a skeleton apart, get the bonemeal, make a quick drake.
Seems like it's just engine limitations or something. At least we got the hoods in Oblivion and Skyrim.
>>46452170
I think it's mostly for aesthetic reason and I don't think it's a bad thing because wizard hats are seriously overdone. Way too many settings have them, so let's not ruin elder scrolls even more by including stuff just because it's in D&D.
Besides cephalopod helm is much cooler headwear for a wizard than a pointy hat.
>>46452199
>cephalopod helm is much cooler headwear for a wizard than a pointy hat
Damn straight.
>>46452170
It probably honestly is engine-limitations. How many hats and helmets or other headwear can you wear where you can still see your hair? Not many. I don't know why that is, I've just noticed the pattern.
>>46452199
Not to start an anti-oblivion debate, but with how generic-fantasy it was why didn't they have a wizard hat?
It doesn't have the cephalopod either, but that's not my issue here
Hoods are nice, but I just want hats, doesn't necessarily have to be the typical wizarding hats
>>46452199
Pointy hats can be really good if done well.
>>46452231
That is true, but that doesn't one from making wizard hats really. Such mods do exist and they have managed to have hair with those. In case of Morrowind having hair with helmets is tehnically impossible though, unless the helmet acts as hair.
>>46452126
They're all in Highrock, with The Sage.
>>46452249
Well, how many wizard hats are mention in the lore? There would be pretty much zero cultural background for such hat style to be included. Oblivion despite being generic as fuck stayed pretty close to lore. Really only thing they drastically changed is making cyrodiil "european" instead of a jungle.
>>46452281
>unless the helmet acts as hair.
That's exactly what they do
But in skyrim mods make the hat a circlet which seems to circumvent the issue
>>46452325
Is that a Breton? Why is the hair rolled up in the back? What's the mod for the clothes?
>>46452341
No idea on wizard hat and shirt (aside it looking like basically reskin of vanilla clothes), but the skirt seems to be from Unique Jewelry and Accessories.
>>46452253
Agreed. The best things for a traveler are some warm robes for the weather, a wide brimmed hat for the sun, and a staff for hiking.
>>46452216
>>46452199
A cool as Cephalopod helmets are, they don't seem very comfortable. It would be like wearing a highly enchanted gas-mask made from lobster shell.
>>46452341
Breton hair is weird in Morrowind, since you basically have a few balding and monkish looks, a ponytail, and two colors of a sort of odd triangular shape. If that's modded vanilla hair, that's probably trying to make do with what the triangle hair might be.
>>46452414
A wizard in case of TES wouldn't really need to worry about that as magic can easily fix that. Too hard to breath? You can hold your breath with magic, even constantly if needed. Too heavy? Feather or fortify strength. Don't see enough? Detection spells or even some mystic fuckery that I remember being in the lore, but are too lazy to look up.
Also, main point why Cephalopods are so good for a wizard, is that they're so enchantable. Considering that in lore enchanting is even more fucked up than in game, I'd think in "reality" they can take much more enchantments (which could be used to make them comfy) than game mechanics would imply.
>>46452341
It's a woodelf using Westly's Master Head Pack X
http://mw.modhistory.com/download-70-12454
It's rolled up because that's how the mod makes it seem like hair, but it's just part of the hat. The mod I use only has one hair style, but you can choose the hair color when you equip different hats.
http://mw.modhistory.com/download-35-1482
The daedric cuirass is from Daedric Lord Armor Morrowind Edition
http://download.fliggerty.com/download-4-1063
and the shirt is just a black expensive shirt from uvirith's legacy
http://download.fliggerty.com/download-35-884
The skirt is mara's skirt, i think it's from Unique Finery Replacer UFR I think
http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/25725/?
Either that or uja as
>>46452369
not sure since i have both :/
pauldron is from Telvanni Cephalopod Armor
http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/44062/?
gloves are bal molagmer gloves
What the hell happened to Ebonarm? He hasn't been mentioned since Daggerfall.
Did they just replace him with Talos in the lore?
>>46452518
He got retconned out.
>>46452314
They could easily just say it's new apparel from a new sect in [current game location].
Even then, I can't believe colovian fur helms exist but generic cone hats or some variation of sack hats dont, those are just basic clothing inventions, like a one-piece robe
They could also justify not entioning it because it's so basic it's just not written about
>>46452148
>Bethesda picks up Nanosteam
That'd be awful
>>46452529
>you will never fight in the name of a warrior god that actually tries to prevent senseless violence.
>>46452518
Ebony Warrior from Skyrim seems to be possibly some sort of avatar of Ebonarm.
Dunmer have some cool hats.
>>46452853
>>46452867
>>46452853
The thing I really like about them is that, for half of them, you can see the purpose behind them. Protecting from the sun, dust storms, rain, stuff like that.
>>46452933
Morrowind is an incerible exercise at worldbuilding. One best built settings I have seen due to it's believably constructed culture. I mean even most of basic clothes you see people wearing have "hidden" (game doesn't mention them, but they're there) cultural and factional meanings.
>>46453012
I haven't played enough of the game yet to guess at what you mean. Some things are obvious, like most foreigners and Hlaalu nobles wearing Imperial style clothing.
But overall, Morrowind is a beautifully designed setting, like you said. It's such a great setting that really makes the story and such work as well as it does - you wouldn't believe how many games couldn't make me care about what they presented with me with.
Then I get a happy feeling as I realize how many of these things are so easy, because they really are just little details. A little mixing and matching, tucking something from one culture amidst clothing made up of another, and you have something exotic and interesting and beautiful.
>>46453109
I meant little thing the Temple robes having priestly writing on them (don't remember what it said, but it was relevant) and the fact that Great Houses kinda have their own clothing styles, it's even possible to identify (in most cases, not always) to which Great House an NPC belongs just by looking at clothes.
On the contary there are "wormgod" pipes and two Dwemer books that are confirmed to be gibberish, but those are only blatant examples worldbuilding shortcuts that came to mind. Even Dwemer ruin names actually have something like a "language" behind them, but no one has quite figured it out fully.
Anyway, this reminds me that I wish someone could finally decipher Hlaalu treasury report. It's funny how such seemingly insignifant document has resisted attempts at decryption while everything else has been deciphered.
>>46453215
Samefagging here, but forgot to mention that Morrowind clothing even has it's House affiliation marked in construction set. For example "extravagant_robe_01_r", "r" stands for Redoran and it's the robe worn by such as individuals as Athyn Sarethi.
>>46453306
Also a separate set of clothes for Morag Tong, different styles for dunmer and colonist common clothes etc.
And don't get me started on belts.
>>46442752
I mean they would win by default because no one would want/have the ability to take the interior of their shithole of a province. They got btfo by the redoran and this was after red year and the Oblivion Crisis
>>46453012
Obligatory forum screenshot.
>>46453327
And the best fucking robe ever of course.
>>46453339
I think Morag Tong's robe (one on center-right) is cooler.
>>46453357
It's pretty menacing with all those tacticool pouches, all right.
>>46453371
Still, I wonder what's the purpose of red jewel, but probably just decoration because it's common robe with bad enchantability. Interestingly red jewel appears on other Morag Tong stuff too.
>>46445824
Giants are just another kind of Dwemer, as the fact that they are referred as "dwarves" is an indication that they just smaller, wiser giants
>>46443502
With the power of Hist argonians can be anything. ANYTHING.
>>46453384
It's called style, bruh.
>>46453385
Apparently everyone was giants at some point. You know everything (animals too) is descended from Ehlnofey and human/elven Ehlnofey were supposedly giant sized.
>>46453384
Mockery of the Red Diamond, worn by Morag Tong since the assassination of Reman III.
