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>yfw you're a destroyer and everyone thinks you're edgy just because your is black and your tools of the trade Sub-Edition
Last time on Horus Heresy G debates on dreadnought patterns were had, trench guns are edgy to WWI era Germans, and Iron Hand legionaries with questionable taste in fashion were also seen. Old thread >>46423400
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Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
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Isstvan Campaign Legions: http://www.mediafire.com/download/deadtdf0y47k59k/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
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30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
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Can you get high on isopropyl alcohol while painting Alpha Legion? I need to know.
>>46441105
I now imagine a very cheery and friendly Destroyer who talks about the merits of phosphex quad launchers while the opposition is still roasting below.
>>46441182
No, it only happens when painting EC.
>tfw really no point to stealing Kakophoni with coils
>>46441105
Does anybody have the FW Space Wolves/ Thousand Sons pictures handy?
Would appreciate it.
>>46441105
> True players will make a Levy Horde using $5 Guardsmen models edition
But seriously, these guys look fucking awesome. Any decent 28mm Guard substitutes that get a nice insurgent look?
>>46441182
Sort of. You can get some dope chemical burns too if you play your cards right.
>>46441190
It wouldn't surprise me.
>It's not a living. It's a way of life.
>>46441243
>Any decent 28mm Guard substitutes that get a nice insurgent look?
Desert Raiders.
>>46441217
>>46441256
I'm just curious cuz the fucking stuff creates more vapor than anything else I've used, my hobby room turns foggy in extremely short time and I can't cycle the air out fast enough.
The inside of my nose also turned blue. Through a filter mask.
I only painted like 2 sample models to test the paints.
>>46441190
>I supply phosphex, and phosphex accessories
>>46441360
Doesn't sound like IPA to me. Then again, I've only used it in a cleanroom environment.
Who among the named SCs listed in the Red Book are Terran veterans?
>>46441365
Riding the Ironfire with that stuff would be utterly disgusting.
Similar to putting Orth into a Mastodon.
>>46441365
My sides.
>>46441401
Garro, and that War Hound fellow.
>>46441416
> Rapier battery fires 12 Phosphex shells
> None of them scatter
>>46441401
Autek Mor also.
I am sad their colour scheme is so boring, otherwise they would be cooler.
>>46441360
That's what happened to me, except I didn't use a mask. Hence chemical burns on my throat and eyes. Shit was cash.
>>46441105
From which book is this guy?
>>46440340
>>46441627
Book 6.
>>46441105
Wait, are all Destroyers supposed to be painted black?
>>46441685
Thanks.
>>46441064
>How do people even play the Militia?
Its one of the most potentially varied lists available, although yes most lists rely on troop spam to some extent.
>Pseudo marines
>Absolute attack spam
>Massed str 5 fire
>Cheap T 4 power armour troops everywhere
>Cheap Ogryn with strength and toughness on par with a low level primarch
>>46441709
Nah, just a lot of them are black because it's easier to hide all the scorch marks from all that edgy phosphex on your armour
How long has been passed since the Terran reunification started and Heresy began? IIRC one SoH veteran dude got half-deaf from getting old but other Terran fellows seems fine, so I wonder.
>>46441758
200 years with Ullanor happening around the 150 year mark.
>>46441758
Half Heard was called that because he spoke too softly and the other marines thought his hearing was bad I believe.
>>46441780
According to FW and BL Ullanor was only 4 years before the HH. Fucking Horus fucking everything up in 4 four fucking years
So I'm trying to make an IF/ IW buddy-buddy list, and I'm trying to figure out my Rites. If a RoW doesn't allow allied detachments, it's still allowed to take that RoW in the allied detachment instead of the primary one right?
For example:
Stone Gauntlet can take allies
Hammerfell Strike Force can't
The Ironfire can't
The Hammer of Olympia
So I could do an IF primary detachment with Stone Gauntlet RoW, then grab IW secondary detachment with The Ironfire, right?
>>46441929
You could but you could also do Shattered legion.
>>46441724
>>46441685
Pretty sure that's one of Iron Hand Fanatics's fan-made images that ended up being the inspiration for Autek Mor's image.
>>46441811
It was because he was an old Terran marine with a stick up his ass about the old ways so people only listened to him half the time.
>>46441984
Oh, that might be the reason why I did not find it in Book 6 despite me going through it thrice.
>>46441365
>That's a clean burning traitor, I tell ya what.
>>46442217
Heh.
>>46442217
Which legion are Hanks and pals?
>>46442297
Ultramarines.
Including Dale, who just thinks he's an Alpha Legionnaire.
>>46442184
Yeah, he's a guy on B&C who does Photoshop work of FW images and then writes his own lore and rules. Apparently someone at a FW event let slip his name, that they had been watching him anonymously and loved what they saw.
>>46441780
Monarchia was 150 years - lots of sources say it took 50 years of word bearer shitting up
The problems with this is that some primarchs got found near the end so timings are weird
In general a planet was conquered in 3 years from planning and prep to certification of compliance
However that may include small asteroids and planets that are part of larger empires so some compliance fleets have >100 planets
>>46442373
Noice, does he have a page?
>>46441929
IF with IW allies can only lead to trouble. Nuffle will punish you for the flavourfail.
>>46441951
Thanks for suggesting Shattered Legions. I only knew the broadest strokes (multiple LA rules in one detachment) but didn't realize the specifics of their rules.
"The Whole is Greater than the Sum" is pretty neat, they could use each others' vehicles and have IC join one another if they're treating each other as Sworn Bros.
The Rites thing means I can choose Hammerfall Strike Force and deep-strike in my Iron Warrior units too, but I think because of the wording I can't have my Imperial Fists ride the Ironfire along with their IW brothers. I might ask my mates if they wouldn't mind letting it work that way.
>>46442357
>my name is... Alpharius Shackleford
>>46442002
He was a Cthonian actually but was a Unification War vet.
>>46441105
Why did all the legions hate Terrans?
Why did they treat them like shit?
>>46442736
>Why did all the legions hate Terrans?
They didn't. Fulgrim, Guilliman, Sanguinius, Vulkan, and Dorn loved them. I'm not so sure on Khan and Leman, but besides Autek Ferrus probably loved them as much as Ferrus could.
>>46442736
IF liked Terrans
DA liked Terrans except for Astelan but he was a dick so no-one liked him
>>46442817
Forgot to add Horus who did love all of his children but he did make Qurze feel like he needed to prove his wasn't a relic to be put up. Magnus probably did love all of them too.
>>46442817
With fulgrim i understand, what did the others like about theirs?
Hell ,Fulgrim even kept their heraldry.
>>46442881
What are you traying to say?
HE wasn't a relic to be enshrined or sth?
>>46442882
Vulkan being Vulkan loved all of them and a Terran Sallie was in high command.
>>46442910
He wasn't a relic to be enshrined. I'm slipping too much today.
>>46442834
>Ignore a direct order
>Get the legion stuck in a bush war with Orks for years
Fuck Astelan. I literally laughed when he spent Fallen Angels jobbing like a bitch.
>>46441105
Midnight's up, how many of you entered for a free titan?
>>46442910
Iacton Qurze was not held in the highest esteem.
Then Isstvan happened and became a super badass.
>>46443022
Not me because:
A) I don't have 100 to spend all at once and,
B) I would like to have won GWs competition for the free army, but I honestly don't give a fuck about a Titan. I suppose I could have sold it straight away.
>>46442960
The only thing he has going for him is that he's probably the oldest space marine being from the first 5000 marines in the 1st legion, which is pretty cool I guess.
>post yfw Astelan got fucked over by a Caliban Chapter Master and got sent to Caliban for being such a bitch
>>46443076
>tfw you forget yf because you're a bitch like Astelan
>>46442417
IW Loyalists and IF fought side-by-side at Sotha.
>>46442655
How?
Does Book 1 Loyalists considered as a Shattered Legion or did they fight pretty much independently without mixing up
I could do with some opinions for my Imperialis Militiaa /hhg/. My Imperial Army forces are a Terran Regiment of Japanese Soldiers (Because we need more non-white people in 30k), but while I have the fluff for them down pat and most of the model materials gathered, I have no idea how to translate that into crunch, what weapons to arm them with or how to organize them, either as a shooty army, a melee horde or what. Anyone have any ideas
>>46443575
to be honest, i'd go with the traditional Japanese set up, and BANZAI everythin
>>46443377
Either Horus was an expert at playing hide and seek, or Big E got some hardy boys from Cthonia before he made the Primarchs and figured that Horus's geneseed would fit.
>>46443575
>we need more non-white people in 30k
but the emperor killed them all
>>46441873
Yeah that's my biggest complaint with the timeline of both the GC and the HH; it's too stuffed.
Let Horus be warmaster for several decades, let the galactic civil war drag on
IIRC Loken declared themselves a Luna Wolves once again in Galaxy in Flames. Garro Legion of One cover has Loken wearing LW white armor as well.
But Loken model painting & HH book 1 SoH loyalist illustration depict them wearing SoH green armor.
Which color scheme is correct?
>>46442655
>>46443377
>>46443616
Horus states that he had roots "on both Cthonia and Terra".
As we know that Cthonia was so close to Terra that you could reach it via sublight travel presumably his parents left Cthonia to get to Terra and that's where he was recruited
>>46443575
Anon, thousands of years into the future from now probably won't have races as we know then to be.
>crunch
If they fail their morale tests kamikaze time?
>>46441873
What a Primarch.
>>46443656
Yeah, you'd think they'd of dragged out the HH to last like 2 centuries as well just so they can keep making stories about it. But I agree, have Horus be Warmaster for like 50 years before he gets all chaos-y.
>>46443710
That's my problem- they pump out stories but the timeline stays the same so you have people teleporting across half the galaxy
>>46443683
I could live with that.
>>46443710
Imagine if 40k lore didn't have logistic issues.
>>46443734
Can't people litterally teleport across the galaxy in 30/40k?
>>46444073
Yes but teleporting can be tricky. You can in up inside boulders, becoming a screaming face on the floor, stuck inside of the walls, never come back, and possibly worse.
>>46442817
Rumor has it that the 19th Legion was more Kurzey than Coraxey. They were in the same vein as Corax and used similar tactics, but Corax had been a rebel and the 19th were ruthless rebel smashers.
>>46444266
That was sort of the case. They spent too much time with Horus, had lodges, and fought that wasn't being a sneaky beakie. All of these things plus being too cruel for Corvus was like an Anon seeing a 40k general with bait beyond bait.
>>46444358
>All of these things plus being too cruel for Corvus was like an Anon seeing a 40k general with bait beyond bait.
And actually having the power to do something about it.
How many of the original Terrans did corax end up sending away? Could they recruit new marines after they'd left? I ask because I'm fluffing up a battalion that has a few Terrans rejoin it after Isstvan and want to know if they'd all be Terrans or what
>>46444415
He became a mod and brought down the banhammer.
>>46444421
Now that I think about it they did rush the gates at that one planet where the beakie armor was tested so probably no more than say 5000~. It did reduce the legion's numbers to 95,000.
Reading HH novels, but being a non-native English speaker sometimes it's hard to comprehend the meaning behind the lines.
What is the meaning of "Kill for the living, kill for the dead?" Who are the living, and who are the dead in this case?
>>46444717
they mean kill to protect the living, kill to avenge the dead
>>46443659
Considering the revived Luna Wolves came about in the middle of the purge at Isstvan III, it's doubtful any of the Loyalists had time to re-paint their armour white and alter their insignia.
Whatever survivors remained afterwards, now free from distractions like virus bombing, traitor kill teams, and angry primarchs, had the time and supplies to make meaningful changes to their appearance.
The same applies to the Death Guard, if I remember correctly. The 'revived panoply of the Dusk Raiders' only came about after Isstvan III, among that battle's survivors and DG Loyalists from other parts of the galaxy.
>>46441105
Does anyone know where and what are the rules for monstrous creatures riding in superheavies?
I seem to recall that possibly being apocalypse-only, but that wouldn't matter in this case I think
>>46444909
MCs can't ride in transports unless they have rules stating otherwise. Some transports have rules for transporting stuff like dreadnoughts, tanks and/or automata, but unless it's mentioned you can't do it.
>Crysos Morturg has Master of ambush trait from the WH 40k rulebook (three units gain infiltrate)
>Sevatar has the Master of Ambush "all friendly outflankers gain accute senses"
Why does FW have Sevatar?
>>46444909
They probably have a bulky or extremely bulky rule about how much space they take up.
>>46445107
Probably trying to avoid one character from making one legion have both their own special rules and the better part of another legions and being an auto take.
Fuck dude I don't know. But he seems pretty good regardless of a crappy Warlord Trait.
>>46445107
he would be broken 2bh
terror assault wouldnt even be a thing anymore
>>46445101
>>46445133
I'm thinking about the mother of all death stars, Pert (very bulky), his Iron Circle (must be 4+ to join Pert) and the Tormenter (nominal transport capacity 15)
Though I guess being embarked wouldn't be the best, what with it being a shadowsword with no firing points.
The minimum cost of this stupid huge death star would be 1775 points, and that's without Forgebreaker and the minimum number of Domitars
>>46445695
By the emperor how excessive.
What do you aim on killing?
>>46445733
Dorn
>>46445733
Dorn, naturally.
Though if he was flying in his Aetos Dios, I don't think that unit(s) could touch him, so points for irony
So, the Inquisition's "I" was supposed to mean an "Eye?"
>>46445798
Aye.
>>46445773
What's this, the Primarch of ANTS?
>>46442736
It's because Primarchs grew up on their own worlds and built their own bases of followers, and Terran members of their legion represent a 5th column.
>>46445695
99% sure you can't embark the Iron Circle guys in the transport. Things that can transport MCs have specific rules that allow them to do so, like the upgrade you can buy for the Arvus Lighter that lets you carry a single Castellax or up two two Vorax. Super Heavy Transports don't have anything generic that would apply to his special snowflake Shadowsword.
I do kind of understand why you'd want to do that, though. The Iron Circle is just way too fucking slow for how much it costs to make that unit. It's the main weakness of all automata (except for the Arlatax), but at least with Castellax you can mitigate it by fielding multiple units and getting up to the middle of the board eventually. Domitar-Ferrum cost so much that you're only going to have one of 'em and it's gonna be half your list.
>>46445823
Get him on board, I'll call it in.
>>46445859
There's no doubt that if they can't embark, FW will release something to let them get on board as well.
>>46445787
aetos dios + dorn + siggy + 10x TH/SS terminators + TH/SS chaplain + eternal warrior TH/SS praetor vs the ironcircle star, who wins?
>>46445919
You mean 10 Templar Bretherin, surely.
>>46442882
>>46442910
Cassian Vaughn, the Terran guy who commanded the Salamanders before they found Vulkan was a goddamn hero to the legion and was mortally wounded just as they were united. He's the guy that became Cassian Dracos after Vulkan personally built him the best damn boxnought chassis there ever was - so good it survived getting impaled by dozens of lascannons and getting glassed by a titan at Isstvan V, repaired itself, and eventually turned into Cyborg Box Jesus that could mind control any robots or cyborgs in the area (although the in-game version of the rule is orders of magnitude less powerful than it is in the narrative).
>>46445934
no because they suck balls compared to th/ss terminators
>>46445947
And it cyborg controlled Iron Warrior Bane as well.
>>46445957
>Thunder hammers
>Not power fists
24HRS IN THE PAIN GLOVE!
>>46445919
Horus and 12 Justaerin with Combi-plasmas.
>>46446002
Fulgrim and 10 Phoenix Terminators with Sonic Shriekers
>>46445982
>not chainfists
you do need some thunderhammers though to concuss the fuck out of primarchs and shit
>>46445982
>Not Chainfists
How are you getting Perty and Co out of their ride?
>>46446002
>>46446022
the thunderhawk dont even care though bro
D template gives no fucks
>>46445919
The Iron Circle star isn't even that good, honestly. Far too few attacks for what you're paying in points. He's better off with Tyrants.
>>46446031
thunderhawk does have a massive D breh
>>46446064
Related, do you prefer to use the 40k D or the 30k D?
>>46446061
2 each + D3 HoW on the charge, + any 6s get an extra auto hit. Not great, but not awful, and they are tough as shit
And no initiative penalty despite S10 AP2
>>46446042
>>46446064
This is a point, of all the Primarchstars, Dorn's the only one who's flying about AND giving the D. At a discount, no less
>>46445947
Is it the same box as the 40k Salamander named Dreadnought (is incased in)?
>>46446197
Yup. Its front AV is one worse for wear after 10k years of continuous use and multiple people inside it, but it's the same box.
>>46446169
>mfw dorn has the best thunder hawk, best deathstar, best generic terminators, best eternal warrior preator, and fucking siggy the best astartes ever
how can traitors even compete?
fuck i wish they made a plastic thunderhawk
I wonder if the relic "unbound flame" is actually a sarcophagus re-adjusted for a Dreadnought use.
R8 my recent purchase
>>46446218
So what you're saying is that Vulkan's favorite box has had a lot of black men inside it?
>>46446320
Ironwing Protocol/10
Best Legion/Best Legion
>>46446320
Uh, drop dildos if you're going for the ironwing, or drop everything else if you're going for the ravenwing?
>>46446320
>spending 450 britcoin for a BaC box, 3 rhinos, a land raider, and fellbalde chassis that is not a falchion
shoulda just got 2 BaC boxes, a couple spartans and a falchion 2bh pham
>>46446320
richer then me/10
>>46446236
Just buy the plastic Lord of Skulls and Tesseract Vault and enjoy it you pizza shit.
>>46446320
Will never get painted/10
>>46446320
How much does that come to?
>>46446510
>buying a $650 resin airplane that weighs like 50 lbs and cant even have a flying base
thunderhawk needs a plastic kit badly 2bh
they could get it light enough that you could actually use it as a flyer
ive handled the resin one before, its solid resin and is like 20lbs, shit doesnt even work as a flyer.
>>46441105
So what is the single most ridiculous thing to happen in the Black Library HH series?
>>46446236
> best deathstar
I play IF and this is false. Everything else is true.
>>46446817
That autistic basement-dwellers on the Internet think they have any ability to judge the quality of the work.
>>46446817
I'm sure some guy is going to mention that bloke eating the geneseed.
>>46446817
Pharos Lighthouse called the Tyranids to the galaxy.
>>46446817
Everything.
>>46446838
nah i meant best deathstar when you combine it with the thunderhawk
>>46446869
>I'm sure some guy is going to mention that bloke eating the geneseed.
The Warsmith? That was symbolic of his triumph and cause the Gods like such symbolism they made him a daemon prince.
What qualities of your Legion do you see in yourself?
>>46446869
>>46446957
that doesnt really seem that out there to me though
broseph was a daemon prince, they get to do whatever the fuck they want
>>46446957
I hadn't read it myself but some guy keeps coming on here and reeeing his hardest about how eating geneseed makes you go super saiyan.
>>46446989
Israel are the most Alpha Legion country easily
>>46446579
>ive handled the resin one before, its solid resin and is like 20lbs
Man up, kouhai, real men have metal Thunderhawks.
>>46447032
yeah the alpha legion shouldve just been named space mossad
>>46446989
>South Korea
>Iron Hands
wat
>>46446817
Alpharius betrays Imperium because aliums said so.
>>46447052
>Gunship primarily used in land assaults
>Main weapon is mounted on the top of it
this still triggers me. At least have it on the side AC-130 style
>>46446989
Haven't seen this in ages.
>>46447032
And how I wished I didn't see this again.
>>46447052
kek that thing mustve been an absolute bitch to pin together
they are worth a shit ton now tho
>>46446817
Honestly I actually prefer most of the retcons and concepts in the HH series. I find the fleshing out of the characters and events of the most interesting period of 40k to be better not worse. And little stuff like "Pharos alerted the tyranids to our galaxy" really doesn't bother me, maybe I'm not autistic enough.
As for which retcons bother me the most, Pious being a perpetual instead of a normal guardsmen probably. And this from someone who likes the perpetual-cabal angle of things.
>>46447131
>kek that thing mustve been an absolute bitch to pin together
This is why they make the red loctite.
>they are worth a shit ton now tho
Assembled or loose?
>>46447032
>>46447073
>>46447106
>tfw fell victim to one of the classic blunders again
Here, have a better image
>>46447098
>primarily
You do realize it's space capable and used for attacking other ships as well, right? Also, the AC-130 sacrifices its transport capability for those guns.
>>46447165
>Assembled or loose?
probably both they are rare af.
>>46447179
And now I feel better. Now it's going to take anywhere from three to five months to get the record of not seeing >>46447032 back.
>>46446989
When I'm in a fight (which is thankfully rare) I hit hard and I hit first. I immediately try to pummel their head until they're unconscious and the fight is over quickly. I hate violence and prefer diplomacy, but I must admit some deep part of me loves a good brawl
Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus in case it was vague
>>46447287
ill remember to post it regularly just for you
>>46447323
Please don't. What do you have to gain from it?
>>46447341
sexual gratification
>>46445107
It's weirder than that, it says he has the master of ambush trait, then goes on to say to say that, of course, means he gives out outflank and you know that but we're mentioning it again for your benefit. Seems one of those in a long list of slowly creeping rules changes where FW just copy pastes whole entries into a new compilation book.
>>46447299
>actual answer
>>46447374
Find a new fetish.
>>46446989
>Inherited my fathers almost OCD like sense of perfectionisme and scrutiny in details.
>currently working in a business where asthethics and artistic skill also matter a whole lot.
>i'm a degenerate at my core with a score a /d/ worthy fetishes
take a wild guess.
>>46447154
>Pious being a perpetual instead of a normal guardsmen probably.
I think that one upsets so many people because it just so completely misses the point of why people liked Pius to begin with.
It's like going to a movie about Super Bowl XLII, but the main characters are the Patriots.
>>46447052
I love the tiny little windshield wipers that can't even wipe the whole windshield.
>>46446989
>First Legion
Have fucked myself over because of my pride.
Quiet and relatively secretive about myself.
>>46446989
>massive, MASSIVE edgelord
>sadistic tendencies
>have been told I scare people on multiple occasions and it made me proud
>actual mental illness, I've heard voices and shit a couple times
AVE DOMINUS NOX
>>46447536
To be fair, most wipers can't wipe the whole windshield.
>>46446989
>IF
make terra great again
>>46447708
Trump really would be IF with all his wall building
>>46447628
Yeah, but most wipers can cover more than ~10% of the windshield as well. Do you want to report to the primarch that half your company died in thunderhawk crashes because the pilots couldn't see?
>>46447862
if FW gives dorn a shitty head like fulgrim ima just headswap it with trump 2bh
>>46446989
What if I do multiple Legions?
I'm usually friendly most of the time, but indirectly troll the shit out of everyone. I saved a man's life while under fire, but hate him for being weak and foolish enough to end up in the situation he was in. I'm on one hand charitable and want to help people, but can just as easily be callous and arrogant with a highly mercenary approach to things.
Duality of human nature type bullshit.
I paint Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion, maybe Salamanders and Alpha Legion would be more appropriate but I can't stomach their particular shade of green.
My favorite primarch is Lorgar though.
>>46445859
Yeah, I finally found both answers - in the original Apocalypse book there's a superheavy transport chart (though it puts MCs at 10 models so it wouldn't matter), but the 2013 edition restricts it to just infantry
I'm now imagining a scenario where the primarchs and their deathstar bodyguard units are all assembling: when most have arrived it's a kind of mexican stand-off - Deathshroud slowly twirling their scythes, Firedrakes tapping their shields with their hammers, etc.
Then Horus arrives, and he has two extra dudes. Everyone's looking at him, like "dude, we had an agreement", and he's just looking smug.
Someone's just about to speak, to question him on it, then they're drowned out by the rumbling of the Tormenter approaching and the sound of the Iron Circle marching out.
Pert's stony-faced, as usual, but it's clear he's smug as hell.
Horus's jaw drops. He's been outdone, and he's pissed off.
The entire group start to argue, about Pert, about Horus, about who's got the best bodyguards.
Then, just as things are getting heated, there's a deafening noise as a golden thunderhawk slowly descends on the group, which shuts everyone up (if only because no-one would hear them).
It lands, and the front ramp opens to reveal Dorn and his THSS Termies, wreathed in dry ice-type smoke.
From the crowd there is silence, save for one agonised cry
"DOOOORN!!"
>>46448003
Actually kind of sounds like Iron Hands.
Sure, they want to help humanity, but they're not going to be nice about it
>>46447935
>filename
>not "Dornald"
One job, anon
>>46446989
>TS
Accomplished absolutely nothing despite high enough intellectual potential.
>>46448042
>Someone's just about to speak, to question him on it, then they're drowned out by the rumbling of the Tormenter approaching and the sound of the Iron Circle marching out.
And straight past Perturabo to stand next to Alpharius.
And everybody's like "wtf, you can't have two bodyguards."
And then Omegon steps out from behind Alpharius.
Drops mic
>>46445107
Terror Squads already have infiltrate. If Sevatar could give it to three more units, that might get out of hand.
>>46447935
I hear he had the Emperor change his name, it used to be Rogal Tornf.
pic apparently related according to google
>>46448279
its 30,015!
>>46448279
I'd decimate those.
>>46448450
Sweet Man Emperor he told the truth.
>>46446236
>best deathstar
Hahahahahahaha. Oh wait you're serious. Hahahahahahahahaha.
>>46448696
whats gonna beat the goldenplated thunderhawkstar?
its even got a titan voidshield
>>46447888
That would explain why so many stories start off with an emergency landing Thunderhawk.
Would Praevian+Castellax fit any legion just fine, both fluffwise and crunchwise?
And how many Castellax would be optimal?
>>46448763
Does Dorn pilot his own Thunderhawk? Whatever happened to it? Did he try to crash it into Pert during the Siege, or do the Fists keep it under tight lock up?
>>46448785
Just about all of them. Are there any that you're concerned about?
>>46448763
You've got to wonder why the mechanicum continues to produce a vehicle who's primary purpose seems to be being shot down dramatically.
>>46448785
How come only some Legions get specific benefits from Praevin-led robutts? Is it just the age of the rules where some Legions weren't out when the 'Inducted into the Line' rule was written?
r8 3k IF list
HQ
siggy
EW preator th/ss
terminator chaplain chainfist/SS
elites
3x apothecaries with augury scanner
Troops
20x Legion tactical squad
10x terminators - 10x stormshields, 6x thunder hammers, 4x chainfists
heavy support
10x lascannons
lord of war
dorn with aetos dios
fortification
skyshield landing pad with barricades
the death star is 2245 points, has all the characters, an apothecary, 10x terminators and dorn in the thunderhawk.
everybody else hides behind the walls
>>46446989
>AL
>French
I guess it fits
>>46449270
Imperial Fists as Fuck/10
Not sure if 10 heavy support marines with lascannons is the most effective option, but given that you've devoted 3/4 of your army to the deathstar, I'm really not sure you care. How effective is the deathstar at clearing tarpits though?
>>46449282
Good point, fellow Alpharius.
>>46449384
>How effective is the deathstar at clearing tarpits though?
probably pretty good, the terminators + 2 generic characters are putting out 40x s9 attacks on the charge, and reroll to hit in the first round because of zealot. they have furious charge and crusader from dorn, siggy gives them rerolls on charge distance and sweeping advance. dorn gives the unit +d3 combat res
siggy is putting out 5 s7 i6 attacks on the charge with ID in challenges and rerolling to hit + zealot.
dorn is putting out 5 s7 attacks + rampage + reaping blow attacks, he can half them to go to s9 with ID.
also with the thunderhawk theyd get their pick of whatever combat they want, so theyd be hard to tarpit anyway. didnt even factor in the apothecary but if he had a power sword hed be going at i5 with 3 s5 attacks too. the unit would have 2 eternal warriors + dorn to soak up wounds
>>46441105
If you had to choose a legion to play for a Great Crusade era game, which would it be?
>>46449648
oh and theyd all be t5 because you might aswell run stone gauntlet with it
>>46449685
Before finding the Primarchs? Not sure, kind of like the Imperial Heralds though.
>>46449130
Same reason the UNSC keeps making Pelicans
>>46449708
Either before or after but must be pre-ullanor
>>46449685
Either Legion I or VII.
>>46449685
>>46449759
WORD BEARERS with Lorgar, pre-Monarchia.
You get to hang out with the nicest, (one of the) most human primarch and build happy, prosperous worlds for the Imperium.
A real shame the Emperor had to be a massive fedora autist and ruin everything, but hey, heretical Word Bearers are pretty rad too.
>>46449685
First Legion, because while you were still learning how to spell your name, I was being trained to conquer the galaxy.
Please r8 my 1970 points of World Eaters
Kharn the Bloody w/ Gorechild
2x 10-man squads of Red Butchers w/ a Spartan
>>46449893
calling in tactical assault moon/10
can you fit 30x butchers, angron, kharn and 3x spartans in 3k? that would be sick.
you might be able to run it if you dropped kharn and took that primarch RoW
>>46450012
>tactical assault moon
it never gets old
>>46450012
I'll give it a try next.
I made another retardedly simple WE list, but it's loyalist (not that it really matters, we're just here to murder everything)
2000 points of WE
Endryd Haar
3x 20-man Tac Squads
3x Apothecaries, attached to the Tac Squads
3x Quad Mortar Rapiers with Frag, Shatter Shells
1x Deredere Dreadnought w/ Missiles and Plasma
1x Laser Vindicator
My thoughts are that the Mortars and the Dread try to pin enemy troops down while the despoilers advance on them. The Dread shoots the air. Mortars, Dread, and Vindi all do anti-armour work.
>>46450012
So I tried it out but everyone is naked, no upgrades. After taking the units I only have 45 points to play with for upgrades. I can't even afford Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shields, and Dozer Blades for the Spartans.
>>46450348
yeah it would probably have to be 20 butchers 20 tac marines 3 spartans + angron
>>46450275
i like the big blobs but if somebody takes a typhon or vinidcator squadron they get rekt
>>46445107
>>46445221
>>46445352
>>46447398
>>46448215
As if Crysos wasn't already an auto-take. And with Autilon Skorr, some AL squads can get up to three different sources of Infiltrate.
It's not the first time FW gives a WT with the same name but different effect from the main rulebook (or that screws up, for that matter).
Durak Rask has a Target Priority that only affects his own squad instead of the "anyone within 12" of the main rulebook.
Maybe it's because back when the first books were published it was still meant for 6E and characters had precision shots and stuff like that
About Spartan or Mastodon - those with huge capacity. Can multiple squads, like 2 tac or so, can embark on a single transport?
>>46450435
they cant in a spartan, they can in a lord of war
>>46450452
>>46450435
I think the rule is you can fit multiple squads into a Super-Heavy Vehicle?
>>46450553
yeah
My friends and I are thinking of all starting Ultramarines and together being a chapter for apocalypse games at our local store.
I can't decide if I want to do an infantry company or heavy assault (terminators/spartans)
>>46450732
>Get a group of friends together
>Each of us build a company
>When your powers combine, I am a Chapter
I wish I had a playgroup I could do this with.
>>46445873
The flight plan I just filed with Malcador lists me, my TH/SS termies, the remembrancer here, but only one of you! First one to talk gets to stay on my Thunderhawk!
>*grabs chaos marine*
Who ordered to kill the remembrancer?
>*shoots him in the head with his plasma gun before throwing him away*
He didn't fly so good! Who wants to try next?!
*grabs another SoH*
Tell me about Maloghurst, why does he wear the mask?!
>...
Lot of loyalty for a Despoiler!
>>46450788
Or perhaps he was wondering why you would shoot a traitor before throwing him out of the Thunderhawk?
>>46450901
At least you can talk. Who are you?
>>46450968
It doesn't matter who we are. What matters is the Warmaster's plan.
>>46450982
If I pulled that off will you die?
>>46451010
It would be extremely heretical.
>>46451092
You're a big astartes
>>46451102
For the Warmaster
>>46451124
Was getting caught part of your plan?
>>46451143
But of course!
>>46451178
Well congratulations, you got yourself caught!
>Sir
Now what's the next step of your master plan?
>>46451192
Crashing your legion! With NO SURVIVORS!
...out of curiosity, was "for you" the response for "you're a big guy" or continuation for "extremely painful?"
>>46451295
I think it was meant as a continuation of extremely painful
>>46451295
It's a mystery. Ask /tv/ and you'll get a hundred different answers, all of them somewhat true. It's why Baneposting is the greatest meme to ever come out of 4chan.
>>46449838
That's cute
>>46449838
Why am I now picturing the Lion with Terl's voice?
>>46447620
not surprised
>>46446989
Marius Vairosean and levels of beating myself when I dont do something flawlessly on the first try.
>>46452400
Vairosean levels*
>>46443357
And guess which one died.
>>46442357
John Redcorn is Corax
>>46450424
It makes some sense in that the outflank trait and target priority that Sevatar and Rask get are the 6th ed versions, so maybe FW just forgot to update them
What doesn't make sense is that Crysos got his rules published first, so they should have known better then to box in a WT from the main rulebook (RaskSsevatar) instead of referring to it (Crysos), to future proof the books
>>46446989
>I like reminiscing about the "good old days"
>I know lots of useless stuff, leading me explain things with metaphors and parables
>I like having secrets
So did any meta for Dark Angels form or are we waiting for the special units to come out ? Lots of tanks and infantry with swords ?
>>46453254
Well so far the LA rules are okay, but not great. A bonus with swords of all types, but if you want to win, you gotta crush your foes. Unlike most of the other legions it seems that the RoWs don't so much leverage the Legion's LA rules, but instead give you a whole different playing experience. I like it because it seems like they can be made into a lot of different but effective lists.
Tanks and Infantry with swords seems like a good way to go though, because Ironwing benefits bolt pistol, and LA benefits CC, so you can use your tanks to crack open the enemies transports so that your troops can shoot them up and then charge in to finish them off.That said I am pretty excited for what's to come, both with more Wings and some special units.
>>46443377
The unification wars didn't entirely end before the great crusade
They likely included pacification of those who surrendered then revelled later - like that place Kaspar went to in Prospero Burns
>>46443621
>>/pol/
>>46443659
The cover was just a spoiler to get people excited about the audio
>>46447073
Techno fetishist and tons of plastic surgery
>Angron is chosen as Warmaster instead of Horus
What happens?
>>46447620
What 3rd party bits do you use for your power fedoras?
>>46450732
Lazy photoshop/10
>>46453606
Magnus breaks the Imperial webway but this time instead of taking a warning about Horus he simply asks Big E "..THE FUCK??"
A guy in the last thread asked:
>Is there any point in fielding Breachers without a transport outside of ZM?
Well, I've evaluated them since they're mandatory for the basic IF Rite of War, and they actually seem pretty decent as footsloggers (as far as footsloggers can).
They might only suit people's tastes with the IF Stone Gauntlet RoW, since you're forced to take them, but even without the +1 toughness and Hammer of Wrath, they aren't actually bad in melee because of that 5+, and they undo the charge bonus thanks to their shields.
Plus they can take close-range special weapons (no plasma guns unfortunately), so if you want to get some strong firepower, you can get up to 4 Meltaguns, else you can get the flamer or Volkite Charger for spamming anti-infantry hits. You can also get the Lascutter for a single I1 lascannon melee attack, though I don't know what to think of that, because i don't think that's the best use of the dudes, unless you mix the lascutter guys in with flamers, to synergise with the CQC-focus Lascutters force your Breachers into.
Me, personally, with the IF rules, I think the meltaguns are what I'll go for, given that the special rules make your Breachers relatively intimidating in assault - T5 with +5 invuln, and with four meltagun shots on your targets, you can push things in your favour in the initial charge.
That said, if you aren't taking that IF RoW, or are just taking them barebones, then a good use of them is as more robust tactical squads - don't upgrade them with anything other than the Volkite Chargers, and send them forward to secure cover camping - they are better at moving over open ground on multiple turns thanks to their 6+ invuln, re-rolling armour saves against templates and blasts, and their cancellation of enemy charge bonuses.
Once you get them into some comfy cover camping, they can just use those extra bonuses over regular tac squads to hold the cover better in melee while still having shooting firepower in 24" radii.
>>46453764
There's also the obvious consideration of the apothecaries as well: putting a 5+ FNP save on 20 T5 guys with 5+ invulns isn't that bad.
I'd like to hear the opinions of players of other legions, though. DG and IH are obviously the legions most similar to IF, though I'm not familiar with their playstyle, but I'm also intrigued by the possibilites for melee-oriented legions like the World Eaters and Night Lords.
One legion RoW I've seen that seems designed for them is the Iron Warriors Hammer of Olympia - IW units can do disordered charges after firing rapid fire weapons - they can get 40 bolter shots instead of the usual 20 before charging into melee with their 5++.
>>46453764
Ok, thanks.
>>46451295
>>46451319
>>46451321
BEHOLD
>>46453606
Would literally never happen. Too many factors against it.
For an actual answer though nothing would happen because all the primarchs know Angron is a retard so they would just carry on by themselves and ignore his orders. Chaos still corrupts horus because he's the best and horus still corrupts Angron because he's the easiest to fall.
If of course you meant a non-nails version of Angron who didn't become a slave because he landed on a civilised planet and was found much earlier in the Crusade then he was originally then the answer would be very different. That wouldn't actually be Angron though so your question is kinds pointless.
>>46451431
It fits, because Lion is also the best dancer among the Primarchs.
>>46453764
Lascutters are wank, not even good against vehicles. That WS1 just makes them fucking useless.
>>46454018
Oh, it's WS1!?
If it was I1 it'd be passable, but there's no reason to have a weapon that can't hit anything other than the side of a barn, particularly when the squad has access to melta guns.
They've just got to rely on their firepower, HoW, and 5+ to shock out the enemy in the first turn and slog it in melee.
>>46454007
>Any report filed to the Emperor will have my name on it and you are out of your skull if you think that I am going to write on the report "shot by Ork" as the cause of the death unless I see it!
>>46454068
It's WS1 and I1. and you can only make 1 of these "attacks". Literally the shittest weapon FW have ever come up with.
>>46454068
It's WS1, I1 and makes only one attack regarless of other factors. It's shit, and even building can "parry" the attack
>>46454099
Maybe if it was part of a special Jump-pack unit equivalent of a heavy support squad, and as an optional "sidearm", but putting in it with a slower ranged unit amplifies the uselessness of the weapon - there's no need for this weapon when meltabombs exist AND THE BREACHERS THEMSELVES CAN TAKE THEM IN ADDITION TO THEIR REGULAR WEAPONRY!!!
>>46454109
>even building can "parry" the attack
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
>>46454140
Whoops, should have written "vehicles can parry the attack", as thy are also considered WS1 (so you'd hit them on 4+). Buildings and immobilized vehicles are hit automatically
>>46454018
>>46454099
>>46454109
Anyone remember one of the old IA books in which the lascutter was a meltagun for shitty colonists who couldn't get proper weapons?
Personally, it would have been cool if it had been like a short range armourbane weapon (shorter range than a meltagun, but not limited by melta rule in a game where armoured ceramite is rampant).
>>46454175
I wasn't calling you retarded, just the FW rule for a literally useless weapon. I suppose vehicles' movement could make your guys miss with a precise, slow laser.
>>46442399
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306729-ihfs-archive-sketching-the-heresy-questoris-yeomanry/
Here you go anon. There was another thread where he did a bit more photoshop stuff but I can't find it on B&C. May have been pruned.
On a scale of 1-10, how much attention do you give to perfectly aligning the backpacks of your marines?
>>46454306
11.
>>46454306
9, I spend a lot of time trying to get them to look right.
>>46454306
9.
Some slant is permissible depending on how dynamic of a pose the model has.
>>46454306
relevant
>>46454306
9, only not a 10 because I don't use fanciful tools to get the angles mathematically correct and just eye it up.
>>46454306
9, I get them as accurate as possible without specialist tools.
>>46446579
>Not just drilling a hole in the bottom for a metal pipe rigged to a roughly flight stand sized round of wood.
It's like you don't even try to make due.
>>46446989
>I enjoy the idea of Extreme freedom
>I have played lots of different sports, and I preferred the most violent ones. I am always the first to suggest full contact
>I am rather aggressive when it comes to my opinions
>I am a leader in my own social groups through strength of personality
>>46447032
German here, I totally am in favour of Merkels representation.
I respect her conviction but I don't want to be colonised....
How canonically suitable are the plastic GW Terminators for the HH? I think the Tartaros Pattern doesn't look boxy or "artisanal" enough for certain legions, and especially not melee troops.
But there's symbolism on the models that looks like it comes after everyone from the Heresy era is dead and the post-heresy religious flavour comes in.
The Crux Terminatus can be sold off as Templar imagery in the Imperial Fists legion, and the Purity Seals' Heresy precedent was the "Oaths of Moment", and the Indomitus pattern armour was first used by the Imperial Fists, but isn't the "Aquila" across the chest something that wasn't allowed until the battle of Terra? Or am I completely wrong?
>>46454583
Completely fine.
Gorgons are using that pattern, the Imperial Fists were equipped with that pattern, as were the Blo' Angels.
Basically, all of the Terminator armours all kind of exploded into the Legions within a short period of time, sent off for mass field testing of every design, and then the Legions took those patterns and modded the fuck out of them for their homebrew elite snowflake units.
Model wise, use whatever the fuck models you want. Rules wise, Tartaros is currently the best armour for melee, since you can now do a Sweeping Advance in it.
>>46454583
Indomitus a shit.
If you take a knife, file and some sanding paper to remove the useless icons all is forgiven.
If you put zero effort into making them era-specific you a shit too.
Yo
Got bored and made a 1d4chan article for my main man.
It's my first full article creation, and pretty confident I got a lot of shit wrong, so if people can take a look and make it more presentable, that'd be awesome.
>>46454583
>Oaths of Moment
Knights-errant can't take Termie armour
>>46454674
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Alexis_Polux
>>46446989
>Sometimes retreat from everyone else to look after my own shit
>Want to lead people so that they have a (hopefully) good leader, and because I enjoy doing it.
>There should be properly documented systems in place for things.
>>46446989
>Generally well received by everyone
>Have friends of all types
>Have always tried to end fights decisively although don't have a problem making it brutal (Verbal or Physical)
>Love their method if warfare
>The only time I'm not leading a group is when I'm with my Father
>>46454737
So, if you were badly Ill and some homeopath healed you, would you betray your father and try to doom your best friend if he doesn't support you?
>>46454786
>homeopath healed you
I found the limit of my suspension of disbelief.
>>46454702
>>46454674
Some pretty good jokes and a lot of solid info. Could use more jokes and less info though.
Also some mistakes, Kantor wasn't his immediate successor being the biggest.
>>46454673
Which Icons are useless?
>>46454651
Okay, thanks.
Was just wondering about the ever-present symbolism of the crux terminatus and the "wings with eagle head".
Though the IF use crosses in their elite units all the time and there is some precedent of "wings" and even eagle motifs in Heresy-specific FW stuff, like the IF Contemptor, the Invicarii Torsos, and the Invictus Suzerains.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Imperial-Fists-Contemptor-Dreadnought
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Ultramarines-Invictarii-Torsos-Upgrade-Set
>>46454679
>An oath of moment or oath of the moment, was a special oath sworn by Space Marines during the Great Crusade, before going into battle or setting out on a mission. It was taken as a reaffirmation of the oaths sworn to the Emperor and the Legion
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Oath_of_moment
Garviel took an oath of moment while he was still a Son of Horus.
>>46454786
If I got shanked by daemon worshipers causing me to fall into a near death state including fever dreams that proved the existence of said daemons, I would burn the world.
Also my son looks just like me and has the most ridiculous top know you've ever seen.
>>46454851
>Garviel took an oath of moment while he was still a Son of Horus.
Just ignore unification, he doesn't know anything.
>Which Icons are useless?
Anything aquila, unless you're EC, and anything crux terminatus.
>>46454786
Luna Wolves are always Loyalists, couldn't stomach being a traitor shit
[Spoiler]Not saying that we haven't had our arguments... [/Spoiler]
>>46454981
What I get for doing shit on my phone
Any other student get their maintenance grant today?Waiting on Forgeworld to reply to an email asking if they could swap the quad mortar crew to Mk IIIs before I order
>>46446989
>Strive to excell in whatever I put my mind to, even though nobody has asked such of me.
>Not being good at something is anathema to me. To the point of avoiding the subject or otherwise covering it up.
>Feel uncomfortable if I don't have a perfect technical understanding of whatever I'm going to do.
>So close with a friend to the point that I can't tell if gay or not
>Too conscious about my appearance, love to overdress.
>Hedonistic af
hooo boy bet you can't guess
>>46455028
Obviously Iorn Warriors or Death Guard, fancy af
>>46455049
Hot damn you guys nailed it quick
>>46454815
Speaking of jokes, I'm fairly sure the name "Crimson Fists" is crying out for a joke that it's based on a combination of two degenerate sex acts.
>>46454901
Yeah, I think there's a handful of legs and torsoes and so on from bitz shops that minimise the amount of T-shaped crux terminatuses and winged-torso decorations, so that you don't have the totally out-of-place crux terminatuses there. The + shaped Templar-style crosses fit the Imperial Fist aesthetic, though, but perhaps not for other legions.
If you buy the FW terminator shoulder pads for your legion, you can use the "blank" shoulder pads from the plastic set that normally contain the chapter symbol as "blank" shoulderpads in place of the Crux Terminatus symbols.
Though I do intend to get the most 40k use out of any 30k unit I make, so I don't think it's that bad a move to make the Crux Terminatus shoulderpads look like Templar Crosses, particularly the Forge World IF pads, if you look at them.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Imperial-Crimson-Fists-Terminator-Shoulder-Pads
I'm starting up an Iron Warriors force, and I own a Spartan.
Question is: What do I put (if anything) in said Spartan. I love Tyrants, and I could use them to get a non HS Spartan, but I feel they would be better off just footslogging.
So Tyrants in a Spartan, or should I be putting something else in there instead?
>>46454673
>Woop-woop! That's the sound of da fun police!
>>46454901
>Anything aquila
Indomitus doesn't have aquilas. They have winged skulls.
>anything crux terminatus
Iron cross symbol is present on elite units even in 30k. Elite units like terminators. Take some GS and fill in the ridged portions of the crux and it's a stylized iron cross with a skull.
>>46454900
>Also my son looks just like me and has the most ridiculous top you've ever seen
Kek
>>46455092
>FW Imperial Fist shoulder pads
>FW Black Templar shoulder pads
Welcome to the first company mother fucker!
>>46455019
Hey, please tell us what they say, a lot of the legions that like quad mortars also love mk III
Speaking of quad launchers, what are people's thoughts on the Land Raider Achilles/Achilles Alpha?
Can Quad Mortar be used as a Thunderfire Cannon, or vice versa?
>>46454981
Are you saying Cthonians fucked up the legion the same way Nostraman recruits finished fucking up the eight?Those aren't delinquent worlds, they are "go and get enriched" worlds
>>46455180
>Luna Wolves are the niggers of the 31st millennium
>>46455108
Yes, I forgot to mention that a certain type of small cross (usually in a gold colour) works as a "field generator" that gives them the invulnerable save. Same thing on Storm Shields.
>>46455103
Termies, Termies, Termies.
Cataphractii with heavy melee weapons, 2 plasma blasters, a terminator Primus Medicae, and Perturabo. I plan to do the same thing with Dorn and termies when his model comes out.
Tyrants are the world's best footsloggers.
10 48" range blasts or S8 AP3 shots, combined with storm bolters within 24", is beautiful.
Sending them into CQC and leaving them in transports is a use of their missile launchers you're forgoing, and you're also wasting the ability of the Spartan to get slow melee units into combat quickly and intact.
>>46455152
The great thing about the IF is every mark of armour works for them.
>>46455170
I wouldn't say "vice-versa", but I'd definitely accept a Quad Mortar as a stand-in Thunderfire Cannon in 40k, because it's an old relic and they could update it with "holy" tech to venerate it for its age.
>>46455092
Also, wasn't pollux THE crimson fist?
Feels like there's a "red handed" joke in there somewhere
Despite that FW didn't paint his fist red, but whatever.
>>46455180
Nah, Cthonians are cool in my eyes, they really do add to the legion, just always preferred them as Luna Wolves and not the SoH
>>46455248
You could just paint a huge blood splash on his fist, with specks over his body and face as if blood spurted onto him from the position of an enemy being punched by him, and if you want to get really creative, you could put a custom enemy corpse on his base, with the torso pretty much destroyed or caved in and the innards spilled out in a big pile of gooey green stuff and blood for the blood god paint.
>>46455241
>a "field generator" that gives them the invulnerable save
I think Cataphractii is the only one that's actually said to have a shield generator. Other terminator armour gets Inv. save from just being that durable. That's at least last I checked.
>>46455306
Maybe, but Storm Shields (and even combat and boarding shields, technically) definitely do have shield generators within them, and the refractor fields and iron halos (along with the later Rosarius) are generally kept in decoratively-shaped "trinkets", like the "spiked ring", but also the equilateral cross seen on a lot of terminator stuff.
What mount for a Dark Angels Praetor and his command Squad, Outrider bike or jetbike? Since they get 2+ save anyway the difference is basically scout vs deepstrike and extra movement. What are people's feelings? Are the benefits worth the extra cost?
>>46455535
Jetbike because they're sexy af and first legion get all the cool toys.
On the subject of Dark Angels and jetbikes, how do the jetbikes interract with the molecular acid shells?
>>46455616
Molecular acid das beste
Alright guys, I'm going to be getting a Warhound Titan soon and was wondering if any of you played with them in a 3000 pt army and if so, what did your list look like that supported it.
I normally play 2500pts of World Eaters centered on getting Angron into choppy range but want to adapt and make a cool 3000pt list since that allows me to take the Warhound. My play group are excited for the challenge and I want to give them a run for their money.
So what would a basic shell for a Warhound army look like?
I was thinking of building the army to focus on just killing anything that can threaten the Warhound and then relying on the Plasma Blastgun and TurboLaser to clean out the enemies troops.
Any suggestions?
>>46455103
Always footslog tyrants, you want them marching up the board and blasting shit turn 1
If your don't mind running that faggot Golg him with 10 standard termies fully kitted out with a primus medic in termie armour for FNP or a forge lord for RAD grenades would be deadly as fuck, rock out of the spartan, flame shit, crash in with 10+ HoW hits with your squad of T4 2+ 4++ 5+++ (or no FNP and the enemy taking those HoW hits at -1 toughness) sweaty dudes and engage in man fighting
>>46456392
Sworn brothers can join other legion squads...but not ride the brother legion's transports.
If I joined Golg to the Red Butchers, I could concievably put them all inside a Spartan, right? It's not like I was placing an IW tactical squad inside a WE Spartan, he's just an attached character
>>46456454
RAW he could join the butchers and they would gain his HoW ability, but he can't embark in their transport and they can't embark in an IW transport
P.12 of the Legion book says Sworn brothers still can't embark in each others transports, sorry dude
and while I certainly toyed around with the idea of an IW/WE force for a while, and while i by no means want to sound like im trying to tell you your having fun wrong, if you aren't running either robot spam mechanicum or artillery spam mechanicum as allies for IW, your doing it wrong
>>46446447
>falchion
>the worst of the three
But why
Is there a Rhino Rush list or legion in HH that makes the tactical squad in a rhino actually viable? I miss running that in 3rd/4th and would love to relive the days of a billion metal boxes.
>>46456562
So, even if the unit is made almost entirely out of Butchers, transports are pretty much "legion boys only".
Well, footslogging Butchers sure sounds like a bad idea, so I'll drop that line of thought.
I just wanted someone to take advantage of Perty's FC on the enemy deployment zone, and Butchers with their reroll 1s to wound, Hatred and stuff seemed like the ideal candidates. Maybe I'll just not add Gogl to them
>>46456694
Dark Angels Ironwing protocol
>>46455616
>On the subject of Dark Angels and jetbikes, how do the jetbikes interract with the molecular acid shells?
Anything with Legions Astartes can buy acid bolts, so you're in game.
>>46456694
Hammer of Olympia gives all your vehicles extra armour for free.
That Obsidian forged rule from the first Salamander RoW gives them 4++ against heat based attack and meltabombs too, so, there's that?
>>46456694
You mean PREDATOR RUSH?
>>46454175
Pretty sure 7th got rid of auto hitting things.
>>46456278
>Not giving the warhound harpoons
Do you even howl.
>>46457045
Things with WS0, such as buildings and immobilized non-walker vehicles (and also gun emplacements) are hit automatically - 7E rulebook
>>46454702
How did he leave instructions for Pedro?
In old RT era stuff SM jump packs looked more like regular backpacks.
I had an idea of giving a Moritat a jump pack by using a CSM backpack with the exhausts modified a bit to more like nozzles, and more traditional backpack exhausts added lower to the sides of the backpack. Sort of like old four exhaust backpacks (also seen on some of the DV Chosen).
>>46457185
I think it would take a little more converting than that, the CSM backpack is actually an in-use backpack during the HH. Artwork of a death guard legionnaire with one is in book 1. I like to use them on my Sergeants to make them a little more distinct from all my other goons.I play dark angels :^)
>>46454702
David Duchovny? He looks nothing like he could be investigating paranormal activities or witnessing the anihilation of xeno species using Head and Shoulders TM.
...unless Phosphex's active component is H&S, which kinda makes sense.
>>46457297
Yes, the one that mentions enhanced thrusters for void operations. That's another thing that gave me the idea. Make the vents even more like thrusters and have the actual vents positioned lower. Like a souped up void pack.
>>46456694
>Rhino Rush
Doesn't really work now that you can't assault in the same turn you disembarked a vehicle.
>>46457297
>I play dark angels :^)
So do I. My CC vets all have Anvilus packs for cool factor.
>>46457174
I think that one is a joke.
>>46457665 Who wants fresh bread?
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