>Friend is a DM
>Has selected a small group of players largely because of how willing they are to be railroaded
>Has trained them to always follow the rails (with cruel and unusual punishments otherwise), and leads them through each adventure by the nose, having them follow his DMPC who always knows the way to go
>Each of these knives costs over $1000
>The group now actually has a strong aversion to player agency, and believes that the only right way to play is to spend the night simply waiting for their turn in combat, to speak only when spoken to, and to allow their DMPC leader to make all their choices for them.
This is evil, isn't it? It's some form of brainwashing, right?
Is this one of those threads where you're expecting people to ignore everything you said but the knives
>>46306644
>>Each of these knives costs over $1000
What the fuck. Are they made of titanium?
>>46306671
Everything else is sourceless bait. The knives on the other hand are an actual issue.
>>46306681
>sourceless bait.
The fuck do you even mean by that. You want a source for a personal anecdote?
>>46306644
A) those knives are awful
B) that GM is why there are so many awful awful roleplayers. Try running a game for them and force them to make their own decisions.
>>46306685
>Olay so my GM basically mind controlled his players
>Every single one has lost the will to live and all
>And none of hem want to do anything about it or try to do stuff in their hobby
>I'm swearing it's true guys!
>the handle on the first one
Holy shit I'm mad. How are you supposed to wash the fucking thing without it feeling disgusting until it dries?
>>46306644
>his first sin was not requiring PCs to stat their skeletons
it depends OP, are you a PC or casual onlooker?
>if you're a PC sounds like someone has a wee bit of excess alkali ionic compounds
either way those knives are disgusting
>>46306644
>Each of these knives costs over $1000
Fucking jewry, I swear
>This is evil, isn't it?
Correct. Nobody should be subjected to ugly impratical knives like these.
>Each of these knives costs over $1000
it worth it : the buterfly one is in damascus ,the heart one has a forge welded edge the two are etched and very personnalised, it's about 40 hours of work by knife
and your friend is lame
>>46306729
Nice bait, almost got me to make an angry reply
>>46306738
if you say so O_o
>>46306750
>O_o
>>46306701
Is it really so hard for you to believe that a DM would be conditioning his players away from making decisions? It's a classic "Bad DM" move.
>>46306644
I want those knives.
I don't know why (probably because I'm a huge disgusting faggot), but I love all thingsrelated to gothic lolita.
I just love the geometrically perfect spiderweb frills and long multi-layered dresses that conceal the body, and spider-butterfly motif - basically everything about it is great.
>tfw I'm just an average fa/tg/uy, almost 7 feet tall and an amateur boxer, and thus will never wear itsend help
>>46306681
Yet again we see the territorial fa/tg/uy leap to the defense of a GM in a situation he knows nothing about. Incredible.
>>46306644
>cruel and unusual punishments
>>>/tv/tropes
>>46307005
You're late
>>46307005
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Cruel_and_unusual_punishments
![annoyed_dm_by_suzutsukikanade-d6or7wy[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Qf4YGsH.jpg "annoyed_dm_by_suzutsukikanade-d6or7wy[1].jpg")
>>46306644
>spend 40 hours a week developing a campaign
>mapped out an entire city where every building is owned, every NPC has a name
>my long-term group of friends want to see where the storytelling will take them and play along with the silly Deus Ex that requires this ragtag bunch of random retards that found each other in a bar to stick and fight together
>everything goes smoothly, I get to tell my story, they get to roll the dice they want to roll
>invite a new guy over because he wants to play
>the faggot spends the entire night trying to steer the party the opposite direction from where it needs to go for the story to progress
>"Hey, let's go to this city in the opposite direction for no good reason and have sex with men!"
>strongly consider just having him raped by a dragon
>mom put one of my $1000 knives in the dishwasher
>"Fuck you, I'm the master of my own destiny!"
>>46307032
It's unlikely that such a faggot as OP knows his history and/or law lessons.
>>46307041
And here we see the ever-amusing 'fake other side of the story' post made by another territorial fa/tg/uy, who will blindly defend any GM. Truly fascinating.
>>46307055
>getting this triggered over a celebrated 4chan tradition
>>>/tumblr/
>>46307055
I'd say "lurk more" but you're a few years too late for the days when dozens of threads would pop up, each greentexting from a different perspective on the original OP's complaint in a massive comedy of errors.
>mfw a literal 'butterfly knife'
Was this whole thing for the sake of that pun? If so, bravo.
>>46307041
>be a player
>long-time friend invites me to a game
>just want to be a murderhobo in a fantasy world picking up plothooks and following through on them
>instead we are railroaded as fuck like a bunch of herded sheep
>DM is unrepentant about it
>strongly consider shoving my shitty 5$ chinese knife I bought on a garage sale up the DM's ass so he shuts up
>forgot I sold the knife to some faggot for 1000$
>have to endure DM's incessant ranting for the entire session because I'm a no-knife faggot now
>>46307141
>>46307137
I'm well aware, I'm just shitposting.
>>46306644
>Each of these knives costs over $1000
How is it in any way related to the rest of your post?
>>46307484
It's related to the picture.
>>46307484
It's a chortley way to say "pic unrelated"
>>46306644
Who the fuck designed those knives?
>>46306644
>be a knife
>have a beautiful wing
>have lots of beautiful roses all over my blade
>even put on a pretty frilly handle dress
>I'm easily worth $1000 if not more
>people on 4chan claim I'm trash
Wow, /tg/, you guys can be real jerks, you know that?
>Each of these knives costs over $1000
I'm selling to the wrong fucking market.......
1000 for that?
fuck me sideways and call me sally, some people are gullible as fuck. Ok, hamon on the right one is good, and left seems to be patternwelded, but still...
>>46307594
>1000 for that?
Nah, that's off by quite a few hundred bucks.
http://www.takumiarmory.com/#!blank-3/fz08s
168000JPY ~ 1500USD
198000JPY ~ 1750USD
So, yeah, it's even worse.
>>46307588
I think you mean:
have a large plate of steel, cut out wings with a fretsaw. wash out the shaping by overpolishing.
stick a set of transfer patterns over, and etch in the drawings of roses in 10 mins flat.
Wrap it in a scrap of black lacy underwear
Watch people pay 5 times as much for it as it should.
that's not to say I dont appreciate and value high-priced knives... I just like them to be well-made.
>be $1000
>get spent on a shitty knife
>don't have to sit around for shitty DM, now being in a pawnshop guy's wallet
>>46307776
>have a large plate of steel
Everyone going "wow, damascus" should keep in mind that you can just buy ready made billets and blade blanks of it nowadays.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALABAMA-DAMASCUS-STEEL-BILLET-BLANK-BLADE-KNIFE-MAKING-SUPPLIES-110-Thick-/262346527370?hash=item3d1512528a:g:JKEAAOSwxp9W8F7t
Look around some more and you can probably find ones with steel edge inserts as well.
>Watch people pay 5 times as much for it as it should.
Assuming they actually manage to sell any.
Made to order only supposedly, so the maker isn't expecting them to fly off the shelves either.
>>46307861
its not a pattern I recognise by the main reputable maker of damascus bar - damasteel.
and the hamon on the other one suggests to me that they do know what they're doing in terms of HT.
but still. that's crazy money for something that tacky.
>>46307861
"Made to order" is a fairly popular ploy to increase demand.
>>46306644
>>This is evil, isn't it?
Nope, that is Neutral. If the players were randumb chucklefucks, he improved them. If they were roleplayers, he hindered them, but I got a sneaking suspicion good roleplayers wouldn't stay in such a game. Sometimes people need to be put in line, anarchy is not sustainable in the long run.
Also those knives look nice. Not practical and not exactly thousand bucks nice, but still.
>>46307861
And that's not even really "Damascus steel", it's just steel wrapped and welded repeatedly.
You can make it yourself with regular old steel and basic tools from your local hardware store.
>>46306644
i'm playing an adventurer's league game with 3 people who DM different adventures, and one of them is the leader and the same exact thing is expressed.
i've decided to play a wizard for battlefield control.
>>46307665
>not even ready-made
>there's a two month turnaround after you fill out the order form
>>46307837
>be pawnshop owner
>dumbass comes in and pays sticker price for shit knife
>$1000
>fuck yeah gonna take rest of day off
>go home work on homebrew campaign
>running it for newbs
>they have no idea how to play
>gonna railroad the shit out of them so the get the idea
>>46308024
pattern-welded steel has been being called "damascus" since at least the 18th century, and there's indications that it was being called that in the 16th C.
the rather respected bladesmight Walter Sorrel did a nice video on the subject a while back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSGL4Ns2qw
While Wootz/Pulad/Bulat type steels are what were originally called "damascus", the name has been being used for pattern-welded types for at least the last 4 centuries.
Takes a bit more than "basic tools from your hardware store" to do it well, unless you have a seriously impressive hardware store...
>>46306644
>That knife on the left
I think somebody misunderstood what a "butterfly knife" is supposed to be.
>>46308231
Americans also make goulash in a casserole.
>>46308335
and "damascus" gun barrels were being pattern-welded by british gunsmiths before the United States existed.
>>46308369
Missing the point. Calling a tortoise a turtle does not make it one.
>>46308427
But calling a transgendered man a woman DOES make it a woman according to most laws.
>>46308427
Well, if we're going by the original meaning of the phrase, there's no true "Damascus Steel" in last couple centuries, the formula has been lost in time, together with Greek Fire and Archimedes' laser.
>>46308453
Calling a tortoise a turtle does not make it one according to the law. It makes you a shitty veterinarian or pic related.
>>46308469
Good.
>>46308427
I think you'll find its you who's missing the point: The name "damascus" has been used for pattern-welding for centuries. so long, that it is interchangeable.
in the same way that something "awful" means something bad, while it previously meant something amazing and great, the language has changed.
unless you suddenly wish to start writing everything like Shakespeare, (in which case, you're an idiot), Damascus means BOTH pattern-welded, and wootz crucible steels.
>>46308427
Languages change over time. Seeing a word loose definition may not be nice, but after four centuries or so there isn't much to do about it.
>>46308469
>the formula has been lost in time
Maybe, I'm not entirely certain what level of knowledge was preserved where and when. IIRC Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani (Arms and Armor from Iran: The Bronze Age to the End of the Qajar Period) suggests that production of high grade pulad blades went on into the 19th century at least, and he also qoutes preserved descriptions of both the steel making and forging processes.
On the western side of things, I've found two old "short communications" in 'The Journal of the Franklin Institute'. The older, from 1829, describes the steel making procedure. Whereas the younger one, from 1852, analyses the composition of a sample, and in passing mentions wootz import.
As such it would appear that the knowledge has at least in large part found its way into "our" (modern, western) knowledge base while it was still alive and somewhat well "in the wild".
More recently, science has stepped in and figured out what atom goes where in the steel to make it all happen, and various people are making it. They may not know every little trick and technique for things, but then again, no historical smith is likely to have known every such trick known by every other smith either. All in all, I can't see what could be missing from the currently made stuff compared to the old except for pure magic.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zoyjlnmyjtw/Wootz_articles.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/j1wyomznimm/Feuerbach_-_Damascus.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Arms-Armor-Iran-Bronze-Period/dp/3932942221
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4oqKmVgardBn9wCrzAnGBlFSB6fUT5FS
>>46306644
hahaha... thas' notta knoif
THAS' a knoif.
>>46306644
Aren't butterfly knives supposed to be illegal or something?
>>46306644
shit knives. Dosn't even know that the flat is as important in cooking as the edge
>>46309223
>cooking
I'm not sure those knives are for cooking, anon.
Snicker-snack, yadda yadda, picrelated.
>>46308335
I'm American, my family makes that shit in a pot like any reasonable human being.
>>46306987
Easy solution. Have daughter or young femail relation, get her into EGL, buy her dresses and get yourself a butler outfit.
Then you can go to conventions/Halloween as a tiny princess being carried by her massive punch-butler.
>>46311188
Or you could go all 'Dwayne Johnson is the toothfairy' about it.
>>46310942
I hope they aren't meant to be weapons because anyone using them would fuck their fingers up. I can't find the source right now but if I remember correctly most people who use kitchen knives and the like as weapons slice themselves to shit when they stab something with enough resistance (and it doesn't need to be much) that their fingers slide over the handle and onto the blade itself, then grasping it like it's the handle they just held.
>>46314915
Anon, do you see those knives?
I don't see the grip sliding *wider* than it was initially. I'd agree if it was a knife where the blade is roughly on level with the grip, or where the blade is actuall narrower than the grip, but not in this case and especially not in case with something like >>46308836 pic.
>>46306820
Yeah, it totally is, because when people actually do things like that, the players leave. I've been in a group that had a similar thing. The gm had a goddamn bell he'd ring if he thought we were getting out of hand. Fortunately, there was one player who was totally down for that and had a penchant for speaking in languages the rest of the characters wouldn't know whenever he engaged with NPCs for reasons unknown to anyone else. So while he and the GM filibustered, the rest of the group went out to living room and did sick kung fu moves, or did Shakespeare in the park style character development, or would in character do a bunch of stupid bullshit, like explaining why the burial ritual for a nordic tribe is totally egyptian-style mummification and walk us through the steps while disposing of the body of a mid boss. Then the GM got mad, because we were having unsanctioned fun. And then everybody left and he had to explain how two level 4 characters killed an adult red dragon in the intervening session when we came back from boycotting him. People don't just sit there and take this kind of bullshit.
>>46315349
>People don't just sit there and take this kind of bullshit.
They do if they are intimidated by a strong man, like Jim Jones or Charles Manson.
>>46315408
If it's not fun, you're not anxious to come to the next meet-up.
Getting a group of adults together for a game night is difficult enough as it is.
If they don't actually want to play it's fucking impossible.
