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The end is nigh edition
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/shadowsoverinnistrad
and it is all spoiled
This card is so cool
>>46242681
So rad.
>>46242602
>Werewolf enabler for all the other shitty werewolves.
Wish it had a better effect so I could use it outside of werewolves.
Well, you got your fungoyf
>Spoiler
Please don’t be disrespectful of the story. You might not care but others do.
Time to abuse the fuck out of this
Lore
Rats in the walls
>>46242602
HOLY SHIT THIS GUY!
>>46242602
So thats where all the good art was hiding - the draft commons and uncommon!
>>46242789
>tfw they take your niggerman away from you
Wait, what?
Why would you pay more?
>>46242699
>>46242681
Niiiice.
>>46242777
>Thalia
>not evil
What
TIME FOR JUND BURN MOTHAFUCKAS!
>>46242806
Wow!
WOW!
Awesome
I like the flavor text on this one it is funny.
>>46242777
>>46242844
You've got 'good humans' as Selesnya and 'bad humans' as Orzhov cleric tribal, who are secretly cultists or some shit.
>>46242834
This is what madness should have been like - you are getting to cast a spell you normally would lose, so you are happy to pay a premium. But after they fucked it up, everyone loved i as an op mechanic, and thats why costs are so cheap even today.
Couple equipment matter cards in this set. Might build a standard deck with captains claws or just shove a bunch into my nahiri edh
>mfw
This is value embodied.
They did some cool shit with double-faced cards this time
>>46242681
>>46242699
I love this so so so so much
>>46242834
only need one blue to cast madness
>>46242602
Well it's official, Werewolves are shit.
T-they'll get something g-good next set, r-right guys?
>>46242834
>>46242952
it's complete garbage, but that is to be expected considering that it's a counterspell
>>46242958
Werewolves get >>46242806 at least. It might be standard playable.
>>46242756
for a moment i saw an emracool spawn , and i shat myself
So madness lets you play a card if you would would normally discard it, right?
>>46242602
What's the flip
>>46242997
Yes.
Can't post the card on my phone, but grotesque mutation basically confirms emeraklu does it not?
>>46242997
in short, yes.
>>46242999
Werewolf that enables transform on etb
>>46242935
WHOAAAAAAAAAAA
>>46242993
>emracool
>>46242997
If you were to discard a card from your hand, you may "discard it into exile", and then pay its Madness cost to cast it instead.
>>46242853
>lightning helix is black
K
Why the fuck is green so obsessed with investigating and clue tokens? It makes no sense
>>46242999
4/3 that lets you flip werewolves when they etb
>>46242929
>penis penis penis penis
>>46243036
Neat
>>46243025
emrakul sorry
>>46243032
Lightning helix can also hit creatures. Drain and gain had always been black m8
>>46243032
Dealing damage and losing life aren't the same thing
>>46243027
Vampire aggro gets its second one-drop.
>>46242834
I'm having a hard time figuring out how this could be played
>>46242681
she's a qt
>>46243067
By playing it regularly instead of relying on Madness?
>>46243034
Bant colors are human colors. Humans this time around are about solving mysteries in Scooby-Doo fashion.
Also this is a cute card
blue has zero constructed playable cards. LITERALLY ZEROexcept for Jaceas a 2 of
>>46242602
Where's the other side?
>>46242681
>>46242699
>Transforming Curses
Fuckin' awesome even if it ain't so good.
>>46242751
God for limited.
>>46242756
Incredible for an uncommon. Limited bomb.
>>46242763
This isn't Delver but its almost there.
>>46242777
Bah.
>>46242789
This is actually very good. Skulk at 1 power is very hard to block and Deathtouch makes it a good blocker. Extremely good common.
>>46242806
HOLY SHIT THAT GUY!
>>46242834
Why. Just why.
>>46242853
>This + Lightning Axe + Bump in the Night + Blightning
Rakdos burn is a go.
>>46242856
>Stoneforge Mystic: the Sorcery
It can fetch Auras too. Kind of makes up for not having a body attached to it.
>>46242868
I never liked these kind of creatures that force you to sacrifice stuff for little to no benefit. It isn't even that undercosted. If it at least had Deathtouch.
>>46243084
That's fucking dumb, where's all the black card draw? Or does black not get that because they took it away and gave it to green?
>>46243032
>draining life is red/white
ok
>>46243080
How would its madness ever work
>>46242926
It's all in one piece! If you can find it!
>>46243096
>It can fetch Auras too. Kind of makes up for not having a body attached to it.
>It can fetch two things that require a body to use. Kind of makes up for not having a body attached to it
Do you even hear yourself?
>>46242930
Reminds me of Vexing Devil, in that it puts your opponent in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Love it
I kinda like this and the skulk enchantment.
>>46242980
Wowee, an engine to draw more crappy werewolves
>>46242789
Heh, lovecraft
Magna mater, magna mater
>>46243084
>Is that skaab getting interrogated?
>>46243034
Something is subverting the natural order, so green wants to find out why? That nagging itch that something isn't right.
>>46242868
I wish this was a better creature, the flavor text demands somethin memey and OP.
>>46243130
>I'm coming back with swords asshole
>>46243113
Maybe if you got some permanent that lets you discard cards.
>>46242681
>>46242699
Could be good in a rakdos burn deck to make burn spells cheaper.
Looking at the overall cards. Man, can't wait for prerelease and draft. Would be a blast.
>>46243119
All the werewolves are so self-hating. Half of their tribe's abilities are "remove the dumb condition that is our whole shtick"
>>46243145
I guess they're really going with the Frankenstein thing. As his monster was intelligent and could talk.
>>46243113
>you have 4 mana open
>you have a looter
>instead of paying 3 mana to counter, you loot, discarding the counterspell and paying 4 mana
instead of counter, draw a card, lose 2 cards you get counter, draw a card, lose 1 card
Here's the spirits we have so far.
How playable is UW spirit tribal, rating it from one to ten?
>>46243130
SPIRIT TRIBAL IS GO
>>46242868
>the flavor text
This is for all the people who got fed up with whiners. We are the horror slugs.
It's overcosted as fuck but I love it.
>>46243121
Yes. Its not like you didn't have T1 to put a body on the field.
Thing is, it can fetch a lot more stuff than Stoneforge Mystic, so it makes possible for much more flexible deck building and is a nicer top deck late game, when the body of Stoneforge Mystic doesn't matter that much becsuse you've already got bigger stuff on the field.
Its nowhere as good, but is an awesome uncommon.
>>46243199
You kinda forgot the other cards that bring in spirit tokens. It might do pretty well this time around. Though without playing with the set, I couldn't tell you how good going spirit tribal will be this time around.
>>46243199
this is a spirit too
>All this "deals damage equal to its power"
So is wizards abandoning fight?
>>46243225
Not really, a 2/2 for 3 is on curve and it leaves a decent equipment behind, its colorless too.
This is a limited bomb imo.
MILL
IS
GO
>spirit tribal
RETURN TO KAMIGAWA CONFIRMED
>>46243181
I'm not sure you know what 'half' means.
>>46243268
Fight is reciprocal power damage dealt between creatures
>>46243269
>A 2/2 for 3 is on curve.
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this but...
>>46243199
I don't think so. All spirits look limited fodder, except maybe rattlechains.
>>46243244
Wow. Skulk don't matter much here but this is a really good card still. Madness enabler too.
Limited bomb.
>>46243299
But it is on curve.
The average power and toughness for 3 cmc creatures is 2/2.
>>46243244
that is some gorgeous art
>>46243244
>that art
>>46243332
Nope
>>46243344
Yep
How triggered you think chinks are going to get?
>>46243332
3cmc cards are 3/3's
2cmc cards are 2/2's
1cmc cards are 2/1's
>>46243113
There are several instant speed discard outlets spoiled already and will probably be a few more, it's totally feasible. I'm not convinced it's good, but it's feasible. If it works anywhere it would probably be in some sort of tricolor control deck where the single U option can occasionally provide some useful flexibility in spite of the increased cost but decks like that usually run enough blue that that's unlikely. Um, I guess it opens up some nice pokerface moments? People usually don't expect a universal hard counter with only U up.
Ok, yeah, it's pretty bad. Hard to complain though, it is a strictly better cancel which means it's totally in line with traditional standard power level.
G-guys.. guys.. GUYS! This shit is bonkers yo!
>>46243372
Will probably have alternate art in chinese prints
>>46243242
Fair point.
Zombie tribal next, this time with relevant spells.
>>46243417
Ho boy
>>46243374
>>46243374
>what are grey ogres?
>>46243417
Fffuuuuuuuuck
>>46243417
Okay, that's getting banned in Modern in April.
>>46243417
This looks very playable in some EDH token decks. I mean, it's pretty insane fixing/ramp.
WE WUZ INNISTRAD AND SHIT.
Wizards doubling down on the progressive shit with the art.
>>46243417
Playset bought.
>>46243372
>>46243419
What? Is there a ban on spooky skeletons in China?
>>46243372
Why would it be triggering?
>>46243463
Yes, actually
>>46243113
Any instant-speed discard. Jace, Sinister Concoction, Catalog, etc.
>>46243225
Is it wrong that one of my goals this format is to equip this to itself?
>>46243332
>>46243269
>limited bomb
Nah, sorry to tell you but that thing's kind of bad let alone a limited bomb.
Paying 3 for a vanilla 2/2 is bad, like a 22nd/23rd card that you'll play because you have no other choice.
Even if it chumped something, the flippy side isn't that good either.
>>46243374
This, except 1 cmc cards are 1/1s. Being a 2/1 or 1/2 is itself a notable upside outside of GW.
>>46243439
The second something starts spawning tokens this becomes infinite mana.
>>46243482
That's morbid, dude.
>>46243417
T1: 1-drop
T2: this + 1-drop
T3: 5-drop/lots of tokens
>>46243417
This would have been great at 3CMC, it's insane at 2CMC.
>>46243436
>gray ogre
>last time printed in 4th edition
I guess 1 blue draw 3 seems fair too
>>46243516
Only with haste and if the ability costs 1 mana. But yeah, similar to the Sliver Queen infinite mana combo
>>46242929
>buffed traiterous instincts
Based NWO, My only love is for power creep
>>46243106
Black draw should not be fucking clues. Black draw should be paid with life this set if anything, or sacrificing dudes. Clue advantage is still in the air about how well it will be received but it's kind of wonky
>>46243417
Well, four-mana-good-stuff has now become five-mana-good-stuff.
It's been a good run, guys.
>>46242929
The fuck is with Greg Staples and his faces.
>>46243463
They dislike skeletons or specific depictions of skulls. Something about disrespectful to the dead. As an example, if you're familiar with league of legends the character karthus had to have a different splash art on the chinese client where his head was wrapped up like a mummy
>>46242756
GOYF IS COMMON NOW?
>>46243417
>tfw I play token GB EDH
Awwww yiiiiihhh
Could Esper Spirits work out? I think it gives you a nice array of control options while backing it up with some decent tribal interactions.
>>46243557
He was probably asked directly do another face like that.
So, looks like Jace fucked up?Lili raping Jace when?
Also, looks like a pretty neat spell, can end up doing a lot of damage late-game, maybe win you a few matches in limited, but pretty inconsistent.
>>46243460
#triggered
But on a serious note, it's a jarring comparison to the european gothic horror theme established in the first inistrad block - an observation on the art direction.
>>46243417
FUUUUUUUUUUUUARRRRRRRRRRRK THINK OF THE MADNESS THIS ENABLES
>>46243585
What format are you talking about? Standard is a little hard to do three color right now by the looks of it, while modern you obviously could.
>>46243027
Almost as sexy as Abs of Treason.
>>46243469
Portrayal of (human) skull is unacceptable. It has to do with cultural and religious tradition.
>>46242763
>T1 Zurgo
>T2 this
>go fucking nuts
>>46243609
Probably Standard. I'm not sure if any of the new Spirits would add much to an attempt at a modern deck.
>>46243600
Forever be known to mtg art directors as the go to guy if you want to draw 'that grin'.
How would you nerds feel about expeditions in this set?
Not necessarily lands, but just foil full arts of old Innistrad cards.
>>46243092
Laughing at you because Tutelage Control is now BLUES CLUES.
Might be good for BR vamps.
>>46243482
Yes, because it's not a Human.
>>46243643
So, how do we give this evasion?
>>46242763
>Dat flipped side
>It still has the host's face
the horror's in this set are just that. HORRORS
>>46243585
Well, let's see. Potential cards I can see so far:
>Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
>Bygone Bishop
>Spectral Shepherd
>Topplegeist
>Erdwal Illuminator
>Essence Flux
>Rattlechains
>Uninvited Guest
>Pale Rider of Trostad
You could eliminate certain cards depending on whether you want to focus on flicker or investigate but I don't see what black has to offer, aside from Pale Rider of Trostad and if you include that, you're going to have to add some madness synergy in there.
>>46243557
It's a pretty memorable art. I mean, you still recall it.
I like this effect. I want to see it at a cheaper CMC in the future.
>>46243244
That art is fantastic. Seb McKinnon is so good
>>46243651
why not use this instead
>>46243660
Fair enough. Wasn't sure if it was worth the dip into black. W/U it is.
>>46242856
Is that guy holding a giant crossbow that shoots BEAR TRAPS?
>>46243372
Based Kev
>>46243602
>Innistrad 1.0 has card with one planeswalker raping another
>Innistrad 2.0 has card with one planeswalker making false rape accusations against another
This is a reminder to everyone not to skip leg day.
>>46243417
Anthem of Paradise?
>>46243664
Oh man that's some neat stuff.
>>46243697
Well, when you want to trap something that's flying...
>>46243682
That's even better, and it gets double-counters. Really starting to feel that vampire aggro deck
>>46243682
>Turn 1 Neonate
>Turn 2 sac neonate and us madness for bloodmad
>Turn 3 play masquerade and swing with a 4/1 first strike that turn in a 6/3 if it connect
Not bad for a clock I guess
>>46243631
Ehh. Expeditions was a dodgy concept to begin with, and having expeditions be cards that people desperately wanted to be normal reprints would just feel like Wizards taunting us
>>46243704
I wanna fuck that gryff
>>46243602
so is this going to get a promo featuring jaces counter response instead of his fancy coat?
>>46243703
>one planeswalker raping another
Stop that
Eldrazi confirmed boys, we can all go home.
>>46243631
>Wizard know it can't sell the set so it make full art chase rare from other set to sell it
We all know why expeditions were in
>>46243562 >>46243619
So...how does Black get played at all, then?
>>46243727
Falkenrath Gorger, Heir of Falkenrath, pitch Olivia/Drana/Incorrigible Youths and cast with Madness conferred by Gorger is a much better curve
>>46242896
That perspective makes it look like shes got a weird tentacle arm going on.
>>46242896
My waifu is alright, then at least i'm happy
Btw when white weenie standard brew?
>>46243772
Wouldn't it be colorless or devoid then?
>>46243772
>palm pussy
>>46243551
What I'm interested in seeing is what clues could do in an affinity deck.
>>46243772
Eldrazi AND Phyrexians, kid
Got some secret Jeskai monks hanging out on Innistrad.
>>46243794
They confirmed no devoid in SOI
>>46242834
>>46242952
>>46242972
>>46243067
You dipshits do realize that jace exists right? that and theres a shitload of instant speed madness enablers released in this set
I know /tg/ cant into magic but come the fuck on
If it were cheaper or even the same Jace would become more expensive and standard would be a control dominated shitshow
oh wait
>thats what /tg/ wants
>my interaction
>I want to be the only one to play magic
>that makes games better
>>46243806
What the fuck is going on with this set, man.
Nahiri trying to summon the fucking monster mash to the monster mash.
>>46243806
>mfw the great work begins on Innistrad
>>46243788
It practically builds itself. The main question IMO is what removal to use.
Mostly humans to get full use out of Thalia's Lieutenant, plus Gideon because he's just that good. Knight of the White Orchid, Lantern Scout, Always Watching, etc.
>>46243794
They don't necessarily need to bring back the same mechanics. Get ready for creatures flipping into colorless eldrazis
So I'm guessing the best draft color is going to be Green? R/B Vampires seems strong as well though.
>>46243798
probably be too slow most of the time. I am eager to brew a casual deck off a similar idea, running feedback bolt and hellkite tyrant with big clue piles under them
>>46243772
can confirm
>>46243417
>every creature can Convoke
Jesus Christ
>>46242896
Don't hide your tits from me!
>>46243806
>Nahiri summons Emrakul, Phyrexians, AND Marit Leige all to INN
Now to make them duke it out
>>46243846
That... would be pretty sweet actually.
Like i have said before maybe Nahiri is just trying to summon every possible planar destroying monstrosity to Innistrad, she might be pulling emrakul, marit lage and the phyrexians all to innistrad along with other plane destroyers likeNissa
>>46243835
reprinted unified strike when
>>46243874
>>46243874
>Expects them to kill each other
>Instead they become bros and begin partitioning the Multi-verse
>Everyone's face when
So, werewolf tribal is shit.
But is there any hope for wolf tribal?
>>46243905
nahiri doesn't want them to kill each other she wants them to kill innistrad
>>46243806
So my first guess was that the cryptoliths were lures for ol' Emmy, but it seems like nahiri might be constructing planar portals
>>46243825
You retard realize that Jace only sees so much play because he's easy to splash along with TC/Dig right? Blue on its own is not a good color, there is no good predominantly blue deck.
After the rotation Jace will see less play because splashing won't be nearly as easy as it is now and blue will be even worse.
Boo
>>46243923
well from what we've seen if you want to destroy a plane Phyrexians have the best track record. Although i guess technically the Eldrazi do but we haven't seen it yet
>>46242789
>>46243084
>>46243225
God, I love this set. I love this art. I love this flavor. I love them referencing Rats in the Walls.
God, you guys haven't even played some of my favorite art in this set.
Tormenting Voices is so fucking perfect.
>>46243927
Isn't that like really bad, like for the whole multiverse?
>>46243861
>nahiri is summoning nevinyrral, the world destroying necromancer
I suddenly want this very badly.
>>46243268
It's probably the same thing as shroud and hexproof, retard used shroud as it was hexproof because they don't like keywords who have a downside so they keyworded troll shroud
>>46242789
>Typhoid Rats is too good
Sheesh
>>46243964
I'd imagine if she was trying to lure Emmy or Phyrexia to Innistrad it would be because she thought she'd be able to contain them once Innistrad falls.
>>46243880
That guy looks fucking pissed.
Why is the art in this set so much better than the last block?
>>46243964
>They'll finally kill planeswalker as cards
One can only hope
>>46243964
Do you really expect sense from a petty planeswalker like Nahiri?
>Wow Sorin abandoned me and my plane
>I know! instead of just killing Sorin himself, I'll destroy his whole home plane, killing millions who have never wronged me whatsoever.
>>46243909
I think the problem with Wolf tribal is all the cheap wolves being Red while all the Support is in Green.
Oh baby, if only you weren't so expensive..
>>46243964
It is. But this whole story is basically about a crazy woman trying to burn her ex's house down. She might not care that the rest of the city might catch fire.
>>46243602
There are some new self-mill cards after all. Go Reanimator!
>>46244004
>implying planeswalker see anything without the spark as sentient
It's more like I'll burn his farm who cares about the animal
>>46243874
>every multiplanar threat gathers on Innistrad
>mayor shit is going to go down
>suddenly, the sound of a trumpet
>AND HIS NAME ISNICOL BOLAAAAAS
>>46243930
Are you fucking stupid?
Go look at decks, take two fucking seconds out of your retarded existence to look up facts
If you look at the most commonly played cards in the format you'll see that jace is 35% of the meta wheres dig and tc arent even on the list
Hell its quite the opposite really, the only reason dig and tc see any play at all is because jace is so prevalent and actually makes it possible to delve
learn how to play fucking magic and check your goddamn facts before spouting nonsense
>>46244004
She has a hate boner for vampires in general because they fucked up Zendikar a bit
>>46244012
Name a fair price for this.
2 seems a bit dumb. I bet they play tested 3.
>>46243864
spawn convoke was (barely) a thing
anyone else eager to pick up some proton packs?
>>46242885
No. This is jus bad.
You have to pay 4 mana + the cost of your discard outlet. So you need a discard outlet that can be activate at instant speed, and the effect of that discard outlet has to be worth 1 + any additional costs for the outlet (most discard outlets in SoI cost 1 or more), AND the effect has to be useful at the time your opponent is casting something you want to counter. It's basically a 3 mana counterspell (mediocre) with a 2+ mana kicker (usually for something mediocre).
The only thing I can think of in SoI that seems worth it is Sinister Concotion. And that's not great, really. Two cards, 1 life and 3UB (plus the B to cast the enchantment ahead of time) for a counterspell and removal. Debatably worse than cancel + murder.
>>46244039
>Brolas and Tezzeret just chill on a mountain and use magic to make their voices loud as shit and give running WWE commentary on the monster mash
>>46243909
I feel a couple of human werewolves can still work in the deck. That one cantrip werewolf is pretty okay.
I think Werewolves can be good if they just made the human forms good. I think the flavor and mechanics of werewolves would be more interesting if they were bigger bodies when transformed but weaker abilities.
This gives your opponent a reason to try and have your dudes flip so it's easier to deal with them despite being 5/4s and 6/6s and 3/2s isntead of 2/2 and 3/3 and 4/4s and etc.
Werewolves biggest issue is this dumb idea that you're better when transformed, you shouldn't, you should be a beast not in control.
I do like the vanilla werewolves in that sense though.
>>46244004
Note, we still don't know what caused Nahiri to flip the fuck out. It could just be Zendikar but there's high chance of it being something more than that.
>>46242615
Shadowmoor next?!?
>>46244064
well it's better than the new ghostbusters movie will be
>>46244064
>This with Harness the Storm
Oh God yes
>>46244064
i feel i should love this card, izzet copy is my jam, but I cant help but feel 3 for 2 isnt good even with the flashback copy spell.
>>46244049
I checked my facts you idiot, most decks that play Jace only splash blue for 2 or 3 cards and I don't think that that will be possible after the rotation with a much worse manabase you stupid fuck.
>>46244080
Help me Jesus, it would be worth the pain of having a third consecutive Return block
>>46244064
This is designed for Harness the Storms synergy.
UR Burn might be a genuine thing.
>>46244067
>tezzeret
>implying it wouldn't be all the dominarian elder dragons
fuck you print a new arcades sabboth
>>46244078
She doesn't have any of that weird tentacle nonsense on her based on her PW card and Nahiri's machinations. She's just that vile anon.
>>46244064
><muffled Ray Parker Jr in the distance>
>>46242763
Nice licid nod here.
>>46243604
There were black people in the original set. There are more now, but in the end it's like 5-6 cards out of almost 300.
Since you guys aren't posting flavor cards, I will.
>>46243604
>#triggered
>say the guy triggered because there are black people on cards
Also there was black people in the original innistrad block, you would know that if you actually played the game and didn't come here just to shitpost.
>>46244087
I never have enough mana in UR for that to sound like a good idea
>>46244101
I'd consider running it in mono blue or UX that can reliably chunk it in the yard as an easily forgotton fork, and just ignore the burn spell. UB reanimator that can double up a dread return for 2U? maybe not game breaking but seems worth kicking around, at least.
>>46243417
Jeskai ascendancy is splashing green again. Top fucking kek.
Cards with names like this will always be my favorites.
>>46244076
Yeah. Like giving the human side of a red one first strike and losing it when transformed could easily show that loss of control. Then your opponent might transform it to try and trade with it more favorably.
Or a Mage or Druid in Green with Hexproof or a tap ability on one side to represent protective spells, with the other just being a big beatstick
There's a lot of potential there
>>46244176
Ludevic and Geralf broing it up? Oh hell yeah.
>>46244004
Women huh.
>>46244167
Vessel of Volatility might sorta kinda work
Will it work? Who knows? It'll be turbo jank but I'm gonna brew it anyway, mainly with cheap buffs and Prowess creatures/Elusive Spellfist
>>46244184
that shadow
>>46244184
>old lady
>2/3
bitch you can punch out bears, of course you aren't afraid of anything
>>46243810
this will be fun with Zada
>>46244176
most boring skaab ever
>>46244127
She's doing it because she's angry about something. This is a passionate,vengeful response, not petty cruelty. If she was that much of a bitch just doing it for no good reason, she'd be Rakdos colors.
She's doing it because she thinks it's justified, for some reason. Sorin's done something to anger her and this is her lashing back in response, it is her reaction. Either she's pissed off at Sorin for fucking up his protection of Zendikar or there's something we don't know.
>>46244145
>>46244160
Why do I find this so funny?
>>46244057
4 and the discard, but with delirium to make it +3/+3
Honestly, the flavor is whatever, I just like the art a lot.
Also, his effect reminds me of Contraptions.
>>46244184
I sort of want to see the lightsided version of this, where it's a 1/1 black human who can sacrifice themselves or something, and can transform into an incognito angel
>>46243604
There were black people in the first block, too.
There are more in this block, but it's more like going from four cards that depicted black humans to six-ish than from zero to six-ish.
>>46244191
>>46244176
Yeah, they are super into each other it seems. I'm sad because now we won't get Gisa and Geralf rivalry.
Unless she wants to take on Ludevic as well.
>>46244240
Genderbending? In my MTG?
He just looks so sad. he doesn't understand what he's done.
>>46244215
>She's doing it because she's angry about something. This is a passionate,vengeful response
Are you trying to imply petty cruelty and murderous acts of passion are mutually exclusive? It doesn't matter if in that fucked up head of her's finds it justified, she's going the extra miles to be a cruel bastard and end lives for the sake of one asshole.
>>46244252
>Gender bending
Where did they say the human was a man?
Besides, there are already auras that turn creatures into Angels.
>>46243119
>>46242602
>Pack alpha is a bitch
Oh wizard, how low can you get?
>>46244267
>>46244264
You're beating me to it.
Best flavor.
>>46244252
Innistrad Angels are inherently female.
>>46244264
>What is "accomplice"? I don't understand, where is master? I am scared I don't know what is wrong can I go home?
>>46243777
I think it's generic enough that they don't mind. They don't like realistic looking skulls
>>46243447
Where were you during Theros?
>>46244296
>delirium enable
I like this.
>>46243417
>big hangarback gets killed
>all the thopters become mana dorks
Time to make Jund Midrange
>>46244264
I imagine he killed someone by accident, in a Mice and Men-style situation. Or more likely, he ran away from his master and she's questioning him about the master's whereabouts.
>>46244251
gisa could try to get chummy with liliana next block. unless there's any other notable ghoulcalers for her to apprentice with.
>>46244296
I do wonder how long it's going to be before we actually have plain old Rampant Growths again.
Still, I like this card.
>>46244267
I adore this. Pictures shouting accusations and whatnot might be a cliche, but fuck, it spooks me right out every time. Like in Black Swan.
Especially great that despite being a reprint, it is completely different.
>>46244323
Theros objectively reflected present-day view of Greece.
>>46244342
It's just so happy!
>>46244184
What's the flip
>>46244348
Except it was based on Greek mythology.
>>46244342
Is the rhyming deliberate?
>>46244360
her eating your face.
>>46244348
>[golden dawn intensifies]
>>46244265
Let's say there's a kid who visits his friend's house and tortures his friend's pet cat when he's not looking. He beats it, wrings its tail, strangles it and just torments it whenever his friend isn't looking.
There's generally two motives for that sort of behaviour, no matter how petty and cruel it is:
>The kid is just sadistic and psychopathic. He knows what is doing and he doesn't care, he just finds it funny.
>He feels slighted by his friend for some reason and he's taking it out on his friend's possession out of petty vengeance.
The first motive is black, the second motive is red. It's the difference between cold-blooded malice and hot-blooded viciousness. Nahiri falls under the red side. She's a bitch, yes - but don't pretend she's naturally sadistic and vile. She's doing this because she feels like she has a reason to.
>>46244297
Almost every angel is
>>46244360
What flip? She's just a nice old lady.
>>46244225
Seb McKinnon is fucking slaying the art this set
>>46244385
Wow that is really good.
>>46244391
Not almost, all.
>>46243777
China doesn't get black.
Nice trips.
>>46244397
He should do every spirit card, they are so good.
>>46244392
>>46244385
>tfw you get posessed by a demon and your eye starts falling off your cheek
>>46244409
Except for a dude from planar chaos and one really old legend. But they don't set precedent.
>>46244189
The Hexproof thing is something I really want to see done because it sort of writes itself,
>1G
>hooded traveler
>hexproof
>during each upkeep put a 1/1 counter on hooded traveler
>at the beginning of each upkeep if no spells were cast last turn transform hooded traveler
>1/1
>Scarred Brute
>trample
>When Scarred Brute is flipped remove all counters on it
>other transform flip cause thing
>4/3
I dunno, I'm just throwing shit at a wall here but that sort of werewolf mechanic interests me a whole lot more than what we have right now of werewolves only being better when transformed
I do feel like things like trample and menace work really well on the werewolves though. But for the most part they should be big dumb vanilla dudes I feel.
>>46244437
>Innistrad angels
As much as I want to make a Werewolf tribal deck, my God this mechanic sucks. Why the hell didn't they change it up from Inninstrad?
>>46243199
its not there yet. might be good with eldritch moon
I'd say out of those, topplegeist, rattlechains, and bygone bishop are playable and moorland drifter is passable filler.
I'm playing around with spooky anafenza and reflector mage.
there are enough double white and double blue cards that a decent tempo build might be there
>>46244467
I can't decide if the misaligned eyes look creepy or goofy
WHEREWOLF LEGENDARY WIZARDS?
WHEREWOLF?
>>46243438
No it's not. It doesn't combo with anything good.
>>46243864
No. Convoke can use summon sick creatures. This cannot.
>>46244456
Read the whole exchange of posts again
>>46244467
I don't like this very much, it needs a bunch of topdeck manipulation
>>46244460
Wow. This might be quote the bomb.
>>46244004
She's an oldwalker, her perspective on morality is pretty skewed compared to most people.
>>46244437
>>46244445
I stand corrected, i guess.
>>46244390
I never said she's naturally sadistic and vile though, she's acting like a ridiculous cunt NOW regardless of her reasoning and who she was originally and should be seen as such.
>>46244502
>dat flavour though
NOTHIN PERSONELL
>>46244502
well it's better than assassinate.
>>46244507
>A 3 mana do nothing enchantment you have to actually put work into getting it to flip and the only payoff is a 4/4
>Bomb
Anon please
>>46243527
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Prototype_creature
"Gray Ogres and Pikers are the most common with nearly 400 and over 200 respectively"
a 2/2 for 3 is more common than a 2/2 for 2.
>>46244509
I like this guy fairly well, maybe not the greatest card but a fun one and I like the flavor text
I like the art
>>46244517
And I was just saying that she's reacting for reasons that we're not aware of. Not trying to justify her attempts to destroy an entire fucking plane, just saying that is obvious that Sorin's done something to make her go overboard.
>>46244460
cool art
not so good rules. Shame it can't trigger madness or anything interesting.
>>46244509
what a weird-looking dog
>>46243372
this confirms dark souls influence on the set, right?
>>46244509
Maybe its the armor but that dog's head looks way too big.
>>46244509
new cats when
sanctuary cat got work done
>>46244460
Pretty neat. What BG deck doesn't like filling up the yard?
Shame it's front is just an enchantment, no reanimate effects here.
>>46244517
I doubt WOTC is capable of a complex narrative anymore.
Bad guys are evil and good guys are saints now. Unless the good guy is kinda of evil but they are LOL SO RUNDUMB murder evil then they get a pass.
>>46244490
There's a Planeswalker at least, and there's still another set to go. Hopefully we'll see a spirit or zombie legend too. Preferably for a zombie it will be something Geralf and Ludevic have worked on together.
>>46244577
Dark Souls is not the first work of fiction to think of asylums.
>>46243417
SOUL SISTERS (also Emrakul)
>>46242929
>"It's not gay if it's cute"
>>46243660
>>46243688
You're absolutely going to want to include black because lingering souls, which you can discard to Rider for value. Bloodghast is also a spirit, if you really want to go that route. Rider can also help activate delerium, though I suppose that's not too important.
I wonder if tallowisp might be any good. I remember the old Ravnica decks that played tallowisp with ghost council and rusalkas - it was surprisingly useful. Even if auras aren't great, it's still free cards.
>>46244449
Yeah. Even sticking Trample or Menace on half of these werewolf forms would make them much more interesting, though it always feels like the human half is just a stepping stone to get there, rather than a card in its own right.
>>46244609
dark souls invented zambies
it also invented hard games and environmental hazards
>>46244189
Wizards understands that making the werewolf side worse than the nonwerewolf side might be flavorful, but isn't fun enough for most players. They want you to want the werewolves to be flipped over as much as possible.
It is like that Midus card. Yes, it would be flavorful if he turned things to gold via combat damage or if at the very least, it wasn't a may. But as someone who has played that card and enjoyed using that, it would've been a lot less fun to play.
>>46244460
Seems pretty efficient. Filling the grave in Green is easy enough, and after that its a 4/4 with Trample and Hexproof for 3.
>>46243660
>>46244615
Oh wait you were listing standard cards, my bad.
I can't imagine it being worth it without a real lord like captain.
>>46244615
We're talking standard, not EDH or modern.
As if modern spirit tribal could ever be playable.
>>46244509
>Hand Banana, I want you to meet, The Enforcer. >I want my name to be Spaghetti.
>>46244251
Gisa says to Geralf in one of the flavor texts that she's also found a companion now that Geralf won't entertain her. I have a gut feeling it's probably Liliana.
>>46244145
>ur waifu a shit
>>>46244160
>>46243934
>topplegeist just knocks your shit over
>This guy just watches you when you're trying to take a dump
>>46244170
This, and may be some other similar spells?
I want some sort of crazy devil-spamming deck to be a thing.
>>46244638
Its not that the werewolf side has to be worse, just for there to be an incentive on both sides to want to transform in different situations.
For example, a Green mana Dork that transforms into a decent sized beater with trample. In some cases, the extra mana would be better, but in others you'll really want the extra power. And this is the same way for your opponent.
It forces actual thought and decision rather than 'do I want a 2/2 or a 4/4 right now?' You'd get more situations where your opponent might forgo casting spells in order to deny you the use of your effects.
>>46244490
>>46244604
given that there is a card named after him despite his only existing on its own flavor text, I'm betting on Ulrich getting a card in EM
>>46243880
>Too swole to control
>>46244694
I really want a Devil lord. Now would be their best opportunity.
>phyrexianfags really think their shitty faction fits with the theme of eldritch horror and mystery they've been going for for 3 sets
>>46244554
>>46244460
these two would look nice in foil.
>>46244694
man, rdw is gonna be fucking bonkers for a while even though it lost the wombo combo
>jeskai spirits
>gruul werewolves
>rakdos vampires
>grixis zombies
What are you playin anon?
>>46244649
Kek'd out loud
>>46244749
>Three colors
Lmao none of that you fucking retard. It's 2 colors or bust.
Dimir zombies is the way to go.
>>46244692
>Card called "Thatcher Revolt" about dark times for the peasantry
Tories got triggered
>>46244749
Probably gonna try W/G humans
>>46244609
Not just an asylum, an asylum for undead losing their minds.
Seems like a nod to the series to me, but hey I guess it's cooler if it's just a random skelly.
>>46244267
MOTHERFUCKER. how many times have they printed this fucking faggot already. Fuck, if the art wasn't so good I'd downright tear this card up everytime I saw one
All these cool as fuck cards saved for the last 100, prerelease is going to be great,
>>46244819
The flavor text implies he was in there when he was alive.
>>46244744
Nah, any deck that uses the devils will either go green for ramp or blue for control. The devil makers are too expensive for RDW.
>>46244749
WG Humans or WU spirits are what I'm interested in. I unfortunately don't see the makings of a real "spirit deck" here though. I can kind of see some themes they were trying to connect them with but it's not anywhere near as forced as Vampire Madness, even if that's also a real sweet them. I don't even see a control finisher for spirits in this set, like Geist of Saint Traft.
>>46244105
Did you also check the fact that most of those decks are 4 fucking colours? They only play 2-3 cards of any colour.
Jace is so overwhelming in standard because he is a fucking repeatable snapcaster mage. And snapcaster mage is already on of the best cards in modern. Let alone one that you can use every turn.
>>46244848
I was more referring to gibbering fiend and sin prodder, although I can see how prodder likes midrange more than aggro, it's still red card draw on an evasive body
>>46244819
>Seems like a nod to the series to me
Only because u dum son
>>46244848
They really should of made an exploding devil token maker at common for the vertical cycle.
>>46243967
>nahiri is summoning nevinyrral, the world destroying necromancer
I didn't know how much I wanted this, and now I'm disappointed it isn't going to happen.
>>46244893
youve got flash investigate and the saint traft enchantment. You know you can do it anon.
>>46242763
Fucking christ that art
anybody else think blessed spirits might actually be a viable option if you go heavy on the silkwraps and stasis snares?
>>46244932
We've gone autosage. Migrate.
>>46244898
For the record, this post is kind of implying Jace is better than Spacaster. He isn't. He is much worse than Snapcaster. Not strictly so, but still significantly worse. But a worse Snapcaster is still a good card.
>>46244749
Golgari frog
>>46243979
>Typhoid Rats
Skulk makes this pretty different from Typhoid Rats.
>>46244898
What I forgot to mention is that most Jace decks are CoCo decks that wouldn't play counterspells anyway.
The only Jace decks that might play counterspells are Grixis/Jeskai black and those only play blue for Jace+TC/Dig/Mantis Rider which all but Jace rotate out.
But ok blue is gonna be so op that it can't have a playable counterspell.
>>46243806
>eldritch moon will feature creatures that transform into their compleat versions
>>46244893
spirits will probably get more support. With the loss of fetches, the many pretty decent heavy white cards can actually get played. Bygone bishop hits harbinger of tides, reflector mage, knight of the white orchid etc.
apparently the new mana supports bant if you go heavy on white so U/W splash coco might be the call for tempo decks since silkwrap and stasis snare are pretty good
>>46244225
Me too! I have been thinking that this while Investigate thing is a way for R&D to test possibilities for how contraptions would work.
It is basically the same: You X verb a Y noun. And it even has to do with artifacts, like a contraption most likely will be.
>>46243934
>hello, don't mind me, just go about your business.
>>46243772
This basically does confirm eldrazi. Look at the fucking colors on the tentacle a a look at the wrist.
> The lineage of Emrakul are perhaps the most bizarre of the Eldrazis, possessing a strange lattice-like flesh composition and being of unnatural hues (predominately of bright purples, blues and reds). Like the lineage of Ulamog, many possess tentacles seemingly for no real purpose. They have no discernible sensory organs and many do not possess conventional forms.
>>46244384
I hope not. The meter is off by a mile if it is meant to rhyme.
>>46244690
>topplegeist just knocks your shit over
do you think he sits around waiting for you to pick your things up before knocking them over again?
>>46244367
>replying to shitposters.
>>46244819
But it's not an asylum for dead dudes. He was alive and he's just been there for so long he died and became a skeleton dude.
>>46245099
I'm sure he gets excited every time the church janitor comes in and goes "AGAIN?" and puts up new ones.
>>46242935
That works really well with skeletons honestly.
>>46244509
It looks like a really angry corgi. Look at those tiny little legs!
>>46244749
Will try some UW tempo, the better spirits reflector mage and ojutai, along with pic related, ojutai's command and a shitload of bounce. Working on the list right now.
>>46245099
>opponent untap phase - untaps
>upkeep : tap something
yes he does.
>>46245186
>flash ghost
>aoe flicker
no he doesnt
>>46245099
Topplegeist confirmed for cat
>>46245169
Yes it's like they put a pitbull head on a corgi body
>>46243372
Skeletons continue to be shitty, but at least I can use it in my tribal modern deck.
>>46245155
This made me giggle.
Of all the cards in this set, my favorite is actually one I will never get to use.
Favorite card
>>46243417
Faaaaakh
>>46245301
Why? It's not very good
>>46244004
>implying you feel bad when you step on ants
Besides, Innistrad is a literal hellhole. Destroying the plane would be a mercy killing.
>>46244184
>>46244385
This seems quite good. Black shouldn't have a tough time turning on delirium quickly, it's unconditional removal and while it's a bit slow you still end up with an above curve dude.
>>46243602
I have a feeling this is after meeting with Sorin. They get all buddy buddy cause they like brooding with each other, Sorin offers him some wine and shit while they brood, the the conversation ends up like:
"Hey, you know my crazy ex that killed all my. Friends?"
"Yea?"
"I'm gonna call her a bitch."
"Jace no..."
>>46243602
>self-milling against a mill mage
something tells me that encounter doesn't end up well for liliana.
>>46245645
>jace and garruk will never beat up liliana for being a bitch
>>46245687
>Jace
>beating up anyone
He got knocked out by one smack from Obby
>>46245704
anyone can get /fit/, I'm sure garruk and gideon can help him out
>>46245645
>You know what she did when she knew i already had a daughter? She burned my house down. Fucking bitch.
>>46244591
Y-you can bring it back with Starfield of Nyx!
>>46244460
It really needs a lot of setup. Playable but not great
>>46243417
I wanna use this in conjunction with Altar of The Brood and Undead Alchemist
>>46243806
Could someone explain the reference to Phyrexians in this card?
Not that I'm against a full-on Phyrexian/Eldrazi smackdown, mind you.
>>46245346
I don't know, something about it INSPIRES me to make a deck! (≖ᴗ≖๑)
>>46246534
the symbol with the... bone thing(?) strapped to it looks a little like the phyrexian phi logo.
![en_pALi18FuRi[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/B2BJs92.png "en pALi18FuRi[1]")
