Zombie rape gangbang edition. Also Nahiri is on her period
>>46221502
Why's this mythic?
I miss Primetime.
So, what, we're not getting a dragon? Is that it? What is this, some sort of set up for Narset and Sarkhan to appear from a worm hole, hand in hand, and turn the entire set into Dragons of Innistrad?
>>46221502
That's the green mythic? What a fucking disappointment
>>46221553
"Good cards were a mistake"
-Richard Garfield
>>46221569
They also got this
>>46221569
It's not THAT bad, anon
>>46221588
wowitsfuckingnothing.png
>>46221603
Well I like it because I play edh. The world doesn't revolve around you. Ass.
>>46221569
I really don't get why some people didn't already know for a fact that the green mythic was going to be a big, overcosted beast/hydra/nature thing. It happens every time.
Did you really expect a Eureka reprint or something?
>>46221581
If Garfield still had a say in the design, we wouldn't be in the shitshow we are right now.
>>46221628
This. I hope no plays it so I can grta nice foil cheap for my pet deck
>>46221628
I concur
>>46221628
It goes in all of, what, 4 EDH decks? Meren, Tasigur, Gitgud Monster, maybe Mimeoplasm. But that's not the point; it's a boring fucking card.
>>46221502
Holy shot that's bad. The only redeeming quality is that the land doesn't have to be basic.
How does the madness mechanic work?
I can play Just the Wind to bounce a creature and the immediately pay U to bounce a second creature?
>>46221628
fuck off, 99% of cards in the set are already for EDH, they really could have printed more than 3 good cards
>>46221662
Playing a card is not the same as discarding a card. Read the goddamn rules.
http://media.wizards.com/2016/docs/MagicCompRules_01162016.pdf
>>46221628
People that play other formats want cards too and EDH is the most well fed format with every new set not to mention the commander products. The world doesn't revolve around you. Ass.
>>46221662
No? It wasn't discarded.
>>46221672
fuck the rules
>>46221635
This. NWO was the reason I quit and after I met my old crew on a party years after and started playing again, NWO still makes me mad. I never can go back to tournaments and still refuse Rio play with landscapers in my decks.
>>46221493
Good
>>46221502
Bad
>>46221525
Better than that green one lol
>>46221704
*to and *Planeswalkers. Autocorrect the bitch.
>>46221525
This would kill counterspell-based control decks.
>>46221662
If you discard it, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.
>>46221790
Is such a nice art for being such an old card.
>>46221662
How do """people""" even come to conclusions like these for fuck's sake
Honestly can't imagine how you've lasted in life
>>46221525
Potential inclusion in budget 8rack decks.
>Still no more mythic Werewolves
>Random ass Hydra of all things
>>46221525
>BLACKED
>>46221502
I said this would happen. I said we'd get stuck with another hydra as the green mythic. Everyone was like "No, hydras don't fit the style of the plane," well guess what? we have another big, stupid hydra. It doesn't even have +1/+1 counters, so doesn't even play that well with other hydras.
>>46221635
reminder that Garfield was on the design team for original Rav and Innistrad. Everything he touches turns to gold
>>46221834
A lot of old cards had nice art.
>>46221493
I guess only the chaff is left.
>>46221905
I really hate hydras being the defacto mythic monster for green. I'm also getting tired of sphinxes in blue, but nowhere as fed up with hydra stupidness.
The only hydra I want is a wurm that turns into a hydra thru the course of the game. but knowing wotc they would somehow ruin it and retroactively ruin wurms for me.
>>46221937
I do remember that thread. This mythic is pretty boring but I guess I can grab a Sea Gate Wreckage or a Mirrorpool.
>>46221702
fuck you
>>46221502
Would pick this up in EDH if i can get it for a cheap price.
Personally I can see it in a standard ramp deck but it doesn't really do anything other than get big.
>>46221662
>People like this are why wizards made the NWO.
Set is looking like total garbage from an EV standpoint. I think I'll skip the prerelease and just draft when it's properly released. The most perplexing thing for me is them not reprinting some of the staples from Innistrad. Pretty fucking lame on that front.
Draft looks hype though.
>>46221493
Hey, gravecrawler made some friends
>>46221905
>No more furries
Good
>Moar hydras
Hydras are the new green creature, didn't you know? I miss the days when we'd get like one hydra/ block and it'd be OK to pretty good to Hilarious
![Image[1].ashx_multiverseid=383436&type=card.png](https://i.imgur.com/mzoTXuD.png "Image[1].ashx_multiverseid=383436&type=card.png")
>>46221525
>>46221983
Fact or Fiction should be somewhere in this block given the clue mechanic but that worse than FoF mythic and the Dig/Cruise fiasco probably ruined any chance of that.
>>46221990
i fucking love waste not.
>>46221989
>Hydras are the new green creature
I miss Wurms
>>46222012
>>46221990
>>46221790
>>46221525
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=8rack
>>46221977
Getgud frog and those elf twins in OGW let you play extra land, though froggy also makes you sac lands . That's a start for a standard land deck at least,
>>46222022
Me too
>>46221853
Sorry for being new you dirty faggot
>>46222022
Don't we all?
I was really hoping they'd be "the" green creature this block when I saw Soul Swallower.
>>46221502
This must be a left over from BfZ. Perhaps they'd think we'd be like "oh heheh just like craterhoof, an off-plane-ish mythic". Ugh.
>>46222068
Could Jund ramp be a thing?
>>46222086
New to what, reading? Or thinking in general?
>>46222102
Look in your heart
>>46222073
Why does Wizards hate Wurms now?
>>46222086
Don't blame him for your stupidity.
>>46222068
Eh, I feel like that frog will be more of a commander than anything else, a fucking crazy commander at that.
>Play fetchland, crack
>draw trigger, dredge 5 with draw, mill 3 lands
>three draw triggers
>>46222108
He just doesn't understand how literal magic is yet.
>>46222022
wurms didn't do much other than be big. Hydras usually have more mechanical consistency. It bothers me that this hydra doesn't care about +1/+1 counters though. That's been the certain thing about hydras until now.
>>46222125
Flavor text like this is what makes planes feel like the size of New York City at most, rather than an entire globe.
>>46222128
I accidentally the whole dredge combo deck.
This Madness X spells thing is kind of cool. It isn't a full cycle though, is it? Like, do we even have space for two more mono colored rares?
As for the hydra, ehhh. Grabbing any land is nice, but even I can't get excited about this sort of card. One of the most lazy designs I've seen in a while. I wonder if development gutted it at some point. Maybe it had like, Delirium, instead search your library for 4 land cards and put them into play.
But I love the other green mythic, so whatever.
>>46222157
Aren't Ravnican districts the size of states or small countries?
>>46222157
Well, thats Ravnica's whole deal, really. Being one big city. Plus, wealthiest doesn't mean largest, it might be like Luxemborg.
>>46222128
Yeah, the commander deck basically builds itself
>Frog
>life from the loam
>raven's crime
>wasteland/strip mine
>wood elves/farhaven elf
>>46221560
Angels stole the big fat red flyer spot.
>>46222128
>mill 3 lands
>three draw triggers
Dude learn to read lmao
>>46222181
I can't even tell. It seems like the size of my home town with how smashed together it all feels sometimes
>>46222162
one of the mothership articles said they're only in grixis, the colors that got madness. with floorboards we've now seen all of them
>>46222162
Madness is Grixis only.
>>46221502
Meh, it's no primetime but I'll take it, a land tutor that either beats face or baits a removal or a wrath is nice enough, it's probably gonna be cheap to pick up too.
>>46222108
>>46222125
>>46222135
Cast a spell, apply the effects, discard the card. It's a reasonable assumption.
Thanks for the help though you guys are really cool.
>>46222128
No, unfortunately frog states "one of more lands", so you'd only draw one.
>>46221963
I tend to prefer the modern cg art
>>46222188
>Whenever one or more land cards are put into your graveyard from anywhere, draw a card.
>>46222229
He's right you know.
>>46222099
Ulvenwald has a lot of zendikar-esque beasties.
Hollowhenge Beast and whatnot. Theoretically, they play into the whole primal, spooky pagan forest thing. I'll admit, a hydra doesn't fit right, but I always loved Craterhoof because he felt as a natural consequence of this sort of spell.
>>46222229
>one or more lands
>draw a card
the point is you get one draw per event that adds a land you your yard, not one draw per land.
>>46222208
>It's a reasonable assumption.
For someone that doesn't know what basic game terms like "discard" mean. If that is the case, meaning you don't know how the game fucking works, then I think you should want to focus on that and not on what new cards do and how they interact.
>>46221502
$0.10 rare level. Great.
>>46222194
>>46222197
Makes sense. A bit sad though, I like madness in all colors. Especially since Madness can end up working like the GW Loxodon Smiter mechanic sometimes.
>>46222205
I just wish it had some trinket text. Reach is useful, but fuck me is it boring. I'll take Vigilance if trample is too much. Just fucking anything.
>>46222229
>>46222128
You retards never fail to amaze me with your stupidity.
Keep going please, don't stop on my account.
>>46222238
I like that this hydra looks like a dozeni ant lampreys fused together. whether or not a hydra fits innistrad, this one definitely fits the setting's aesthetic, so I think it gets a pass as a splashy rare. like the dragons from original inn block.
>>46221502
>All right people, we did it, we made the new Jace in the space of 5 minutes we had left before the deadline. Now just to...
>Shit...
>We forgot the green mythic.
>>46222197
I don't think any zombie creatures have madness or delirium though, as on Ravnica they are just animated/stitched corpses without the ability to think.
>>46222271
If there were anything like Nyktos in Standard, it might've seen some play. Still, no more than a few bucks.
>>46222298
UR Madness control is a viable deck though, especially if you chuck in a Harness of Storm. It's got a really strong mad scientist theme.
>>46222298
Fuck, I meant Innistrad. i was thinking about cool zombies from other planes and reading the Ravnica city-size stuff in this thread
>>46222317
I'm still holding out on a better Geralf card than the commander one that is standard/modern legal. They could print Gisa as well I suppose, but she's just a weaker version of Lili
>>46222298
I think you could pass the madness cost off as the creator was in a fit of mad inspiration when he created the zombie.
>>46222291
I mean, they really do try. Moonveil Dragon remains one of my fave dragon arts.
But the fact that the artists have to try so hard because marketing tells wizards we need iconics makes it understandably frustrating.
Doesn't help that all the types big iconics have an obvious cultural tie. Sphinxes with Egypt, Hydras with Greco/Roman, Angels with Europe, Dragons... Well, dragons are lucky, but it is still mostly Europe and uh... Black. Fuck. What's black's iconic again? Right, Demons. Duh.
I am fine with big iconics, but they had the sense to skip the dragon this set. Hydras feel even more out of place.
>>46222125
Wurms are a problematic phallic symbol of the patriarchy. Check your male privilege, CISScum.
>>46222125
>Why does Wizards hate Wurms now?
Wurmcoil Engine made the natural Wurm species obsolete.
>>46222354
Gisa is crazy and fun in a way that Lili isn't though. I want a brother/sister card for them, but it doesn't seem like it is happening with Geralf becoming Ludevic's cocksleeve.
>>46222125
>>Why does Wizards hate Wurms now?
Not popular enough, so say their polls.
>>46222263
Sorry for not making a detailed study of the rulebook the first port of call in my Magic the Gathering learning experience.
Again, it's a reasonable assumption for someone who knows what the English word "discard" means. Quite reasonable to assume that a card which is no longer useful and you put in your graveyard has been "discarded"
Thanks for the clarification though. You seem like a really cool guy and a treat to be around.
>>46222382
Sphinxes are also in Greek mythology
Speaking of dragons, have we seen any in this set yet?
>>46222382
Does Innistrad have Sphinxes?
>>46222125
The word wurm doesn't mean anything to the average consumer. It honestly hardly means anything to an MtG player either.
Wurms in MTG honestly have hardly anything to do with Wurms in myth. They have morphed from "wingless dragon" to "Alaskan bull worm".
I like Alaskan Bull Worm, but you can hardly blame people for not knowing that you mean that when you say wurm.
>>46222401
Bellend
>>46222419
None that we've seen. They don't really fit with the setting. Though, Dragons don't fit particularly well with the setting either, but they shoehorned one into each set of the original block anyway.
>>46222293
>Quick, get two uncommons from Eldritch Moon and glue them together!
Why are 90% of the power level complaints "I can't play this in legacy/modern"?
>>46221502
Anyone complaining about this not being prime time were obviously not playing standard when the titans were legal. Fuck that entire format.
>>46222413
Right. No dragons in this set yet, but there may be some in the next. There were three requisite dragons in the original block.
>>46222419
Nope. Skaabs sub as the big beef in blue.
>>46222457
It is admittedly much much worse than prime time. I'm not saying it should be prime time, but like, if prime time didn't trigger when he attacked and only got one land ever, he would probably be really fair.
>>46222401
>Again, it's a reasonable assumption
Only if you've never played the game and haven't put the slightest bit of critical thinking into the game terms.
Discard obviously means something specific if you've seen a single card that references it and aren't a drooling imbecile.
>>46222461
Except the new skaabs are shit.
>>46222427
That actually makes Wurms perfect for Innistrad, since it's just the German word for Wurm.
>>46222401
Frankly, I'd recommend a read of the rules too. I started that way and it really gives you a leg up on analysis and playmaking to know precisely how everything works. Plus you can complain when they dumb it down for newfags. RIP manaburn and damage stack--gone but not forgotten.
(Not the guy you initially talked to)
>>46222484
Old skaabs were shit too. Ruinator was overhyped but did fuck all in the format. I still liked them.
>>46222401
Here let me help you further by telling you a super secret only found in the deepest and most secret parts of Volume III (out of X) of the Rulebook.
Draw doesn't mean "paint a picture" in MtG, it means "put a card from the top of your library to your hand". It took me many years to learn this secret and I wouldn't want to wish this ordeal on anyone, let alone a towering intellect like yourself.
Bless you for playing, the game couldn't exist without you, my child!
>>46222505
>the German word for Wurm
It's worm.
>>46222457
90% of players are utterly incapable of evaluating cards, so they default to comparing new cards to the cards that they're familiar with and know are strong. This means every card gets compared against the strongest cards ever printed, which is almost always an unfair comparison.
Obviously, this is no Primetime, but Primetime is one of the more busted creatures to ever be printed. This guy is a pretty solid card, and may see standard play depending on if we get any good utility lands like Kessig Wolf Run in Original Innistrad. He's also typically bigger than Primetime, which isn't irrelevant.
>>46222457
SOM/INN standard was great, fuck you.
Delver, Solar Flare, Wolf Run Ramp and whatever fringe decks you wanted (I played Heartless Summoning) allowed for some pretty varied strategies. It was also the last time we had control decks that weren't flat out the best thing in the format or flat out useless.
>>46222484
A Sphinx Zombie Horror type deal where they just sewed a bunch of shit together into Innistrad's equivalent of a sphinx would be a magnificent idea though.
>>46222542
The time that anon refers to however, at least i assume he is, is the CawBlad /Valakut standard, and it was vomit-inducing. You either played a deck that had literally no bad matchups or went valakut and played soltaire.
>>46222517
Ruinator is actually a very good card, it just never had the support it needed. Thing is fucking disgusting with Aether Vial
>>46222484
at least the new skaabs discard which helps madness/delirium, while old skaabs exiled cards from the graveyard, which conflicted with a lot of themes in the set
>>46222512
Really I think I'd rather quit now if this is what I can expect from Magic community. Thanks
>>46222517
I know they weren't good, but I don't like how much the flavor of the skaabs has changed so much they used to bee big guys for cheap with a big secondary cost now they are just super vanilla with a little bit of discard, plus I hate the new art for them it looks like they are trying way too hard now, the other art has been okay in terms of horror aesthetic but the skaabs look like they were done by a middle schooler.
>>46221790
Meg's Rim is sweet, but get with the times.
>>46222542
don't forget the pod variants and zombie variants. Zombie Pod was some of the most fun I've had playing standard.
>>46222542
All I remember about that format was SWORDSSWORDSSWORDS. And that I tried to put together a graveyard deck using boneyard wurm and friends only for fucking RIP to be printed in rtr. FUCK THAT CARD WITH A RUSTY PITCHFORK. "Let's print Boil. For 2 mana. That is also an enchantment. How the living fuck did anyone think that card was fine to print. You god damn right I'm still fucking mad!
>>46222582
I mean, it is a 3 mana flying 5/6. But it turns out that if you actually want to play it legit, the drawback is actually very very relevant.
You need a lot of selfmill to keep casting it. And it feels god awful in your hand.
But yeah, cheating it in, sure. You can have that and Myr Superion.
>>46222457
Would you prefer people said "I can't play this in vintage"? Modern and legacy are the only ones you can compare cards in really, given that everything else is:
Casual (like EDH) thus powerlevel doesn't matter, because it's casual and good or bad have no meaning.
Standard, but given the nature of the format it doesn't matter what the powerlevel is because everyone has access to the same shit cards so if cards are weak then everyone is weak so the playing field is even and people are forced to play with new cards sooner or later (also nobody plays standard for the high complexity/powerlevel)
Smaller formats like French Highlander, pauper, Emperor, Tiny Leaders etc, so not many people care enough to bitch.
>>46222609
WotC really, really, REALLY wanted to hose Snapcaster. like half of RtR was "cards that fuck with Snapcaster Mage"
>>46221502
I kinda like it. Might try some sort of landfall funsies deck this standard.
>>46222602
>we will never have this flavor text on a card where liliana is forcefully raping jace
>>46222590
The fact you think people suggesting you learn how the game works properly so you can enjoy it more fully is an aggressive act is embarrassing. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, babycakes.
>>46221502
Jesus fuck they couldn't even make it a hydra horror? This card has 0 flavor.
>>46222627
The thing is complaining about a cards power level relative to a format that most MtG players won't ever play is just an easy way to foster negativity and achieve very little.
Analyzing a card's power level in a very specific set of circumstances and pretending it is the most objective and most valid way of accessing cards is a bit silly.
You might say "well, all standard cards are weak, so comparing it to standard is useless", but if people play standard, making predictions for that format is very relevant. Same thing for limited.
Or hell, maybe power level shouldn't be the first thing for people to access as clearly most cards are not pushed in the slightest for competitive play.
>>46222223
You're disgusting
>>46221628
Why would you play this over praetor's counsel?
>>46222718
Well, I'm not that guy, but here is my justification.
My EDH decks actually trying to have a more traditional curve than a lot, whose early game is entirely focussed on ramp and rocks. I find that style of play boring and the really busted fast mana (mana crypt, grim monolith) frustrating. Because of this, I actually fairly frequently have only about 5-7 land on the battlefield.
But even in situations where I have 12 mana, being able to cast my souped up Restock and some of the cards I returned is nice. Sure, I won't be able to return every card and I don't get the spell book effect, but I don't actually need all of my graveyard normally.
It reminds me a lot of All Sun's Dawn, a card I absolutely love for similar reasons. It also has better art and flavor.
>>46222698
Firstly I think you are underestimating how many people play modern and care for the format (normally, given that at this moment many have left the format).
Secondly you have to understand that due to the limited cardpool of standard very few new cards can be accurately compared to similar older cards that exist in the format. Like what card in standard right now is like that hydra prime time? What card is like that sorcery-investigate path to exile?
Thirdly, where do you draw the line? Can I compare a new card to a recent standard like Theros-Khans, because accourding to you I shouldn't because it's not "standard". Can I compare a SOI card to a KTK card? KTK is rotating out so they won't be in the same enviroment so you can't compare them you might say.
Taking all this into account you are essentially saying that you can't really compare cards (outside of cookie cutter shit like Mind Rot to Mind Rot+set's mechanic) but comparing is the best and surest way to judge and talk about a new card given that you can't see it in action yet (nor can most players judge a card fairly even after playing it)
>maybe power level shouldn't be the first thing for people to access
It is important tho because a card with low powerlevel means that you won't ever play with card or against that card (again talking about people that don't play casual) so why waste time caring about said card?
>>46221493
Going straight into my Liliana EDH. I was hoping for more black madness, but this will do.
>>46223079
Theres still like 100 cards still unrevealed.
>>46222940
All competitive MTG is completely eclipsed by casual MTG. This is fact.
Hydra Prime Time should be compared to similar curve toppers in current green decks. That path to exile should be compared to other cheap removal in white, like that destroy target attacking creature spell for 1W. Sure, this takes a bit more effort and thought, but it is much more meaningful in terms of the formats where these cards actually have a chance of seeing play.
As for where you draw the line, you draw the line when it makes sense. It depends. You can say "I can't see this card seeing play in the current standard, as it compares badly to this card" or hell, if you want to be speculative and discuss what ifs, you could go "Man, if only I had this card back when Theros was legal" or "This card won't be good once Khans rotates, as we probably won't get the fixing to support it and we lose all the relevant brushwagg tribal support".
You need to compare cards in context. Posting "garbage card" on every spoiler of a overcosted limited card designed to be sideboarded in when your opponent drafted a deck with a lot of X/1s doesn't DO anything.
And I'm not saying you can't be negative. Feel free to tear into cards that aren't good in their context. Like that 3/1 flying for 4 is probably not good enough, as there are 1/1 flying spirit token producers at common.
And as for "never playing with or against" because of power level, even in competitive circles, there are people with pet cards, people looking for new tech, people, people playing shitty tribes because of nostalgia, people playing cards because they love the art. My shop's legacy crowd has a lot of people, a lot of variety in terms of decks. People do strive to make decks good, but that doesn't mean people only look at cards for power level.
My point is that assessing power level compared for eternal formats is a way to be consistently disappointed. And when you don't specify the context, it is also disingenuous.
>>46223089
I don't think it is quite that many, but I think it's close.
>>46222940
Some of your points are a little incoherent, but the basic problem in comparing new cards to eternal formats is that eternal formats largely live on cards that were 'mistakes', or cards that were unexpectedly above the power level deemed 'normal'. With a large card pool, these naturally rise to the top. Meanwhile, standard has far less of these 'mistakes', so the cards align more closely to what is 'normal'. Trying to find mistakes when there is a very conscious effort to keep the power normal is a recipe for disappointment.
So why doesn't wizards just release cards that are better than normal, if normal is weaker? If that's what you like, I suggest you take up yugioh, because all that mentality leads to is rampant power creep. Further, one of the big selling points of eternal formats is that they don't rotate, so you don't have to constantly update your deck like you do in standard (recent bans aside). You saw the shitshow that happened when Eldrazi became the new hotness. Image what would happen if that happened every time a new set was released (or, if imagining is hard, again, play yugioh).
Basically, evaluate cards based on the cards they'll be working beside in their given standard environment, not on eternal formats.
>>46223079
There could be. Zombies themselves don't seem to have madness (which is a shame, as I'd really like a grave scrabbler reprint) but their support cards can, and vampires seem to be really aggressively into madness
>>46223174
It'S 128 cards left.
>>46223174
Never mind, I'm a dipshit.
They have spoiled (or people have taken pictures of about 175 cards, which means we have more than 120 cards to go.
FUCKING HELL WIZARDS, WHERE'S MY LEGENDARY WEREWOLF?
>>46223250
yeah they are really slacking, either they reveal some more today or dump the other third of the cards tomorrow.
>>46221635
This is basically the story of every fucking game Garfield makes. He makes a cool game with good concepts, gets bored and leaves. Then someone gets a truly retarded idea (Planeswalkers, colored artifacts, staple mythics)... and the game becomes shit. The question is, does he leave the games before they become shit because he knows at some point any game will become shit, does he intentionally leave behind problems in the design so people will eventually leave to play his new game, or does he actually just keep a game from becoming shit while working on it by his mere presence? That makes a nice sliding scale of tinfoil hat level.
>>46223250
>>46223248
Almost certainly just commons and uncommons.
With weremilf, I imagine you are gonna have to wait til Eldritch Moon before you get a commander. Just run Radha. Her ability works well with the kinds of activated abilities werewolves have to allow you to skip casting spells.
>>46222602
>>46222648
It already looks like he's being raped tho.
>>46222648
can't rape the willing.
Jace's Boipussy is so primed for Lili's big, swelling, stinking Futa cock its unreal.
>>46222648
It's not rape when both are consenting
>>46223173
You. I like you.
>>46223203
>eternal formats largely live on cards that were 'mistakes'
How we gone to the point of saying that every card that sees play in Modern/Legacy/Vintage/any competitive non rotating format is a mistake? Really?
Ancestral Recall and Cruise were mistakes, fucking CoCo, ornithopter, shocklands and like 98% of modern at least aren't mistakes. Bolt being better than shoch or that 3 mana bolt from BFZ does not make bolt a "mistake"
>>46223206
I actually had to stop using Grave Scrabbler because it ONLY triggers off of madness. I wind up discarding a lot of cards, but there are times when I can't and need to hard cast. The final nail was when I realized I couldn't use it with Fleshwrither.
Speaking of Transfigure, that would be fucking awesome to have next set, but I doubt we'll ever get it in standard.
>>46223079
Yea, I'm not totally given up on more black Madness, but I was hoping for another rare I guess. Still, I really like this one. It would be better if they were untapped, but we can't have too many nice things.
>>46222940
Modern is the most shite format their is.
it is the least interactive, it is the most focused on combo that ignores interaction.
it is so uninteractive people don't even run real counter spells but shit like Remand because the value train must chug on.
Modern has been directly called Solitaire by many people, because it is, Standard allows for more diverse deck lists than Modern does now (in Standard we have over a dozen and half competitive decks right now)
>>46223387
Bolt is kind of a mistake. Like, they literally can't print another bolt, because Burn will become infinitely better with another bolt.
The bolt test thing also hurt deck variety when it came to creatures in a way that shock doesn't.
I know people say "creatures: the tappening" whenever I say stuff like cards like bolt are what power creeped creatures to what they are now, but I do feel it is the case. I say this as someone who likes bolt.
>>46223250
Dont worry its confirmed faggot
>>46222522
Wait, so "draw a card" doesn't mean I get to pick up a pencil and draw a card on the table? I thought Magic was a game of make-believe.
>>46223551
bolt is a mistake because its the only spell at that cost that does it like that for free.
they never should have done it, or at least they should have had the game support it better, as is, its an anomaly that gets to exist even in modern and no one really talks about how unfair it is in comparison to all the cards that have come after it.
>>46223437
Transfigure isn't happening. I am pretty sure. I tried to make a set that had Transfigure as a main mechanic. It leads to super stale gameplay.
Like Transmute, Transfigure is one of those mechanics that you hope would lead to people running more situational one off cards, because they can tutor them up when the need arises. But in practice, any transmute or transfigure card ends up being copies 5-6 of a card you were already running 4 of.
>>46223387
Bolt is the definition of a format defining card. The last time it was in standard, you couldn't play anything x/3 or less unless it made immediate, lasting impact because it was made irrelevant to bolt. Look at what makes many creatures unplayable in modern/legacy. They fail the bolt test. This is less of an problem in legacy, but it exists to a point. Modern and Legacy have other 1 mana kill spells in Path/Swords, but neither of those can also be used to hit someone's face.
I'm not saying it was, but there is an argument to be made that bolt was a mistake, especially since its been around for as long as magic has existed. They couldn't know how strong it was or wasn't going to be. Look at 3 damage spells now. We went from bolt, to incinerate, to searing spear/lightning strike, to nothing that does 3 to face or creature.
>>46222590
Make a note of this for future references. The MTG dictionary is very, very, very specific. Words printed on cards have a meaning. This meaning must be interpreted according to the rulebook.
You don't have to read the comprehensive rules book. I wouldn't recommend that you do, either. What I recommend, is that you play with people face-to-face over a table, and have them explain you the rules as you go along. If you play in your local game store during events such as Friday Night Magic, there might even be an official Judge present that can clarify any rulings that the players are unsure about.
>>46223610
Yea, that's why I said it wasn't going to happen in standard, which sucks. Maybe we'll get it in Conspiracy or Commander, but that's about it.
>>46223282
Wow.
1d4chan was right - /tg/ really does know jack shit about magic.
>>46223250
You got a furry planeswalker. now stop yiffin
>>46221553
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU RETARDS WANT CHASE MYTHICS? ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?
>>46221905
Arlinn Kord
>>46223759
There is a difference between chase mythics and alright cards. The hydra is just a normal "meh" rare.
>>46223892
The original anon was missing Primetime, a multiple-format warping mythic
>>46221628
>HURR DURR IT GOES GREAT IN MUH EDH
Most cards are alright for EDH because it's a shit format. EDH is not a good standard for determining card quality.
Every single fucking time. Every time a shitty expensive CMC timmy card is spoiled there's always that dumbass who says it's great for their EDH deck. Why?
>>46223173
>>Hydra Prime Time should be compared to similar curve toppers in current green decks
Even if they are nothing alike? People are saying that comparing Steam Augury to that X costed new card "isn't a good comparison" or "not nearly the same" but you are saying that it makes sense to compare that hydra to World Breaker for example? On what basis? Stats? Effects? Costs? Based on what meta given that the new meta is unknown? Because saying "ramping a land is better than killing a land" doesn't mean anything in an unknown format (which standard is every time a new set comes out, rotation or no rotation).
>Posting "garbage card" on every spoiler of a overcosted limited card designed to be sideboarded in when your opponent drafted a deck with a lot of X/1s doesn't DO anything.
By the same coin posting the equally meaningless "X cards is amazing in my casual deck" doesn't DO anything. Both mean very little and are equally cancerous.
>people playing shitty tribes because of nostalgia, people playing cards because they love the art
I say this as someone that both did this and as someone who has seen people do it. People don't have fun when they lose non stop because their opponent is playing dredge and they are playing cleric tribal in legacy. After a point most people I know that try to play their fun little tribal or pet card focused deck in a competitive format give up after a while and just play that deck in casual.
>My point is that assessing power level compared for eternal formats is a way to be consistently disappointed.
This is true but I believe that that is also the most accurate comparison.
> And when you don't specify the context, it is also disingenuous.
Also true, but that happens from most people. If someone says "X card is good" they normally don't say for which format and vise versa.
>>46223984
>Every single fucking time. Every time a shitty expensive CMC timmy card is spoiled there's always that dumbass who says it's great for their EDH deck. Why?
Because big dumb Timmy cards are fun and EDH is the Timmy and Johnny casual fun times format.
>>46223479
You are aware that this is true because because Wizards refuses to print cards (high power level cards at least compared to the last 3-4 standard formats) that can deal with the shit non-interactive decks that dominate modern, right? They won't print counterspell or Cabal Therapy, cards that shit on half the normal top meta, BECAUSE new sets are so low power.
>>46224085
Last set that made a big splash in other formats was Innistrad right?
>>46224132
Define "big" and define "other formats".
>>46224132
>Last set that made a big splash in other formats was Innistrad right?
BFZ/OGW anon. Look at all those Eldrazi.
>>46224132
every set recently has had cards that go into modern, khans had many, fate had ugin, dragons had the commands, origins kek im pretty sure you already know. Hangerback is played in vintage and so is rabblemaster.
>>46221502
>Alright guys, we need to design a green mythic, we have the entirely unexplored forest region of Kessig to come up with a bizarre horror animal lurking within or old pagan deity from before Avacyn's time to represent, any ideas?
>LETS MAKE A HYDRA
>ON FUCKING INNISTRAD
This fucking creative team I swear. You have the grounds to come up with something really neat and memorable and its fucking this, I'm not even asking for a good card either, just a card that has some damn flavor like this one.
>>46224132
OGW literally just turned Modern on its head, and has had an impact in Legacy. Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise warped every format but standard so hard that they had to be banned/restricted.
Why do you people keep spouting this nonsense every time powerlevel gets brought up? Literally every block has at least a handful of cards that are relevant in bigger formats.
>>46224188
>>Alright guys, we need to design a green mythic, we have the entirely unexplored forest region of Kessig to come up with a bizarre horror animal lurking within or old pagan deity from before Avacyn's time to represent, any ideas?
An Hydra on Innistrad is a bizarre animal and can be an old pagan deity
>>46224209
Cheeky, but you know what I mean, we see hydras on practically every other plane, we didn't need one here, they have lore they could have expanded upon and they waste it with a creature type done to death elsewhere and doesn't even have flavor text.
>>46224208
Innistrad had Delver
>>46224400
WHITE WEENIE WILL LIVE AGAIN
>>46221905
I love how people are getting mad that there are so many vampires and not many werewolves this set.
The next set is called Eldritch MOON, there will be tons of wolves then you got dang furries.
>>46224320
If it wasn't a hydra it would have probably been a red dragon for our big iconic creature dude. Or maybe another giant bug like Vorapede.
I'm in the minority that thinks dragons on innistrad feel more out of place than this spooky hydra dude
I dunno, man. You win some you lose some. I dig the hydra. The Ulvenwald is a scary place. You don't know what exactly live in it.
>>46224459
True, but maybe they can start to play fetch friday already.
>>46224188
They have really been ignoring the whole pagan old-god type elementals in Innistrad's woods this time around. It's a shame, that was one of the things I really liked about the setting.
It also feels to me like that makes more sense for people to start worshiping in desperation than the fucking giant frog.
>>46224400
That name is silly
>>46224400
I think the art on this one is pretty nice.
>>46224543
Totally would get a playmat of that.
>>46224479
There are so many options for "spooky thing that lives in forest", though.
>>46224479
I don't think dragons fit either, but neither do hydras. Maybe I care way too much about this, but it just bugs me that they aren't gonna explore some of that old elemental pagan lore. especially when the timing is perfect, given Avacyn has lost her marbles.
>>46221983
>not reprinting some of the staples from Innistrad
There is no need. This set will sell like crack in the ghetto, just based on the flavor and nostalgia factor alone. They're saving Liliana and Snapcaster reprints for a later set that doesn't have guaranteed buyers so that they can drum up sales (see: Thoughtseize in Theros, fetches in Khans)
jesus christ this set is complete shit, literally nothing good for the eternal crowd, and barely any shit decent enough for memedern.
god i hate this wizard policy of "lolololstandard and kitchen table games only, eat a dick long time players" its bullshit and i don't understand why people keep giving these jews money.
>>46224561
Me too. Odric is just aesthetically pleasing. I love the graying hair.
>>46224479
It should have been anooze
Hydra's should have regen, its like printing a troll without one.
>>46224750
Don't forget "muh limited experience wizards PLS" that leads to shit like modern master.
>>46224542
It's a somewhat silly card. They save good names for sensible cards they will want to print again.
>>46224750
>MAGIC IS DEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAADDDDD
>>46224738
I think you mean formats they know will sell like hot cakes so they charge $10 a pack like Eternal/Modern Masters.
>>46224530
yeah I agree, the gitrog thing was a fu- ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
>>46224781
What is the flavour behind trolls having regenerate? i understand skeletons as they are enchanted and rebuild themselves, but I don't get the troll thing.
Full spoilers tomorrow or next week?
>>46224738
Coming in the next set : expédition Innistrad.
You have a 1/1000 chance to open à foil card of the old innistrad with new art from a list of Staples cards (with, of course, the usual couple of shit cards).
Thanks based wizards
>>46224838
Because trolls regenerate. That is what their race does. In almost every depiction of trolls they are hard as fuck to kill because of it.
>>46224750
Eternal and Modern have a higher power level than Standard and they're trying to keep the Standard power level low.
By including staples for Eternal formats in Standard sets, they automatically ramp up the power level and make cards difficult to design and develop.
>>46224810
MMA/EMA aren't formats, they're sets, I'm not sure what you mean. But yes the principle is the same. There's a very long but very worth the read article on MTGgoldfish that explains everything.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/how-wizards-manages-its-savings-account
And when they can't reprint good cards, they turn booster packs into lottery tickets (see: expeditions). I would be 100% not surprised if >>46224860 's came true.
>>46224750
You're utterly moronic. See >>46223203
Printing shit designed for eternal just leads to constant power creeping and one-upping the previous set. If you want shit for eternal formats, they have sets specifically for that. If you're still salty, the game is clearly not for you and you should probably leave before your saltiness gives you a heart attack.
Who will make Magic great again ?
Not Maro for sure.
>>46224188
>>46224320
They're printing the hydra for you anon, so you can have something inane to whine about. You should thank the creative team.
>>46224902
garfield
>>46222512
Damage on the stack was retarded though.
>>46224902
TheElder Scrolls TCG
>>46224867
It's not even that they're trying to keep it low, they're trying to keep power creep in check and keep power on a roughly even level. Fortunately, clues are being provided in boosters now, so hopefully some of the people in this thread can get one.
>>46224867
I would argue that a lot (not most, but many) eternal staples would be just fine or not even playable for Standard. Take Force of Will, for example. It is objectively a bad card, a Cancel that's either 5 mana or a 2-for-1, but it holds Legacy together because it's the best free counter they have. There never has been and never will be a card/deck/strategy in Standard that necessitates the existence of Force like there are in Legacy.
>Still no spoopy skeletons with tri-hats.
WHEN ?
>>46224865
*fantasy-game based depiction
The "trolls regenerate" idea came from D&D and, as it happens, that's also WotC. Due to the D&D popularity, a lot of fantasy games adapted that idea to make trolls more unique apart from "big people that do amoral things".
>>46224962
Wasteland would destroy Standard for 2 years, or however long cards are in standard for now
>>46224925
I'm not that anon but I also think it's silly to use a hydra. They could've just as easily not made it a hydra but some ancient elemental of the land with the exact same abilities.
Fill out your spoiler bingo sheet today!
>>46224992
Yeah obviously there are a lot of Legacy staples that would be too strong, I'm just saying there are others would be fine and are in desperate need of a reprint.
>>46224890
They're designed to be able to be played as a draft format, but it's main job is to make rare cards (slightly) more available. The same was true of Conspiracy. Sure, the overall theme was as a multiplayer casual format, but there were various cards (brainstorm, swords to plowshares, fact or fiction, stifle, misdirect etc) reprinted purely to make them more easily available to players.
>>46224543
>whatthefuckamicasting.jpg
>>46225033
Oh I get it now. I think the idea was make them reprint-heavy money machines first, draft formats second. The article I linked tells exactly why we get shit reprints like Ant Queen in $10 packs.
>>46225022
I'd also add "Blue/Red never gets anything good," but I don't know what could be replaced.
>Bad cards are necessary to make limited fun!
>Cube is the most popular draft format of all time
Checkmate WotC
>>46224208
BFZ had a low powerlevel the cards were bad on their own it only made one modern deck better because of the synergy with 2 old cards.
Origins also had minimal impact, I think the cards that see the most play are Pia and Kiran Nalaar as maybe a one or 2 of in some decks and Jace in some tier 3 decks.
Theros was also terrible I think there is one card that sees play Eidolon of the great Revel.
Khans was the only recent block that had actual good cards.
http://chandra-nalaar.tumblr.com/post/141608948661
>hi i’m ashley/chandra | neuroatypical | she/her pronouns i’m otherkin (gorgonkin, spiderkin, hobbitkin) and fictionkin, if that bothers you i literally do not care at all
>gorgonkind/spiderkin/hobbitkin
I'm checking my privilege hard.
>>46225022
I miss dies to removal.
>>46224479
At least the Dragons on Innistrad have an interesting stylish look to them
>>46225083
Swansong from Theros also sees play
>>46225141
Step up your memes
>>46225022
I think we got the 3rd row across pretty easily.
>>46225192
>transnigger
wew lad
>>46225141
That reminds me of those fags from CFB trying to force manlands into being called landkin.
Im glad the SCG castersmainly based Ceddy Plaughed at them and said no.
>>46224009
Nothing alike? Cards don't need to be 1-to-1 to be compared, especially when the only reason in you are comparing them is possibly replacing one of them with the other. If decks were running World Breaker, it would be an apt thing to say "I don't think I'd run this over Worldbreaker due to X and Y and I can't have such a high curve in my deck by playing both". And speculation is fine, you don't know if ramping will be better than noncreature removal, but you could take an educated guess.
The reason comparing Steam Augury and X costed new spell doesn't make sense is because they aren't in the same format. If both cards were in the format, you could easily say "Well, I'm never gonna be casting that X spell for more than 5, but hitting my red mana consistently won't be easy". But what you can't do is say "Well, Steam Augury was shit back then, this X spell will be shit now".
"X cards is amazing in my casual deck" may be vapid, but it doesn't foster negativity. Sure, theoretically it might misrepresent the power level of a card to a newer player when it comes to real formats. But given that they already gave a caveat of it being for fun, all they are doing is voicing a bit of excitement.
Here is my attempt at an analogy. There are two pizza places. Casual Joe's and Champion Pizza. Most people go to Casual Joe's because it is more convinient. Champion Pizza is very popular with caterers though, as they have to meet a certain standard. The pizza at Champion Pizza is cream of the crop and the caterers wouldn't dream of using Casual Joe's pizza when catering. For most people, Casual Joe's Pizza is just fine. They could go to Champion Pizza, but since they don't need to cater, they don't care. So, if a patron at Joe's says "This pizza is great!", he isn't being a dick, he is just happy to have some pizza. Sure, the caterers might scoff and say "Joe's? That stuff is garbage" when he means "I wouldn't want to cater using Joe's", he is being pretentious.
>>46225231
I'm ok with this.
This card will never see play and can't possibly bring back a milled/discarded Ulamog and Winower ever.
>>46225208
>Blue always gets the best cards?
Really now?
>If only it had evasion
Which one? Haven't seen someone say this when a card was first spoiled so far and I've been in more than most spoiler threads so far
>>46225231
aww
>>46225231
>a male and a female
WoTC promoting the patriaechy AGAIN !
I'm triggered and offended by this art and will tweet WoTC about this! Same sex mariage is a thing! Come on it's 2016 are you kidding me ??!
>>46224400
Man, I literally designed this card. I made this card in my set. It was a common and didn't have the human/first strike thing, but god damn it.
>>46225231
>tfw someone brings you back from the dead but makes you black
>>>46223984
Timmy and Johnny casual fun times format
I'm an edh exclusive player and I love the fact my format is seen this way.
>>46225231
dowantdowantdowant
>>46225231
>not Til Undeath Do We Part
>>46225293
>judging zombies by their outward appearance rather than asking what gender they identify as
Check your privladge
>>46225231
Slow but very mana efficient reanimate spell.
At least there will be two of the spell for any future reanimator decks if anyone wants to try.
Can't say how disappointed I am.
Most of the set's cards look so interesting but they were way too conservative in powerlevel.
It could have been a great set, but their direction for Standard seems to have changed for the worse.
>>46225141
man do u know wat a joke is?
>>46225231
I love it. Too bad zombies on Innistrad are in constant agony of a hollow puppeteered existence, or this would've been cute.
>>46225231
This must be the favorite spell of Lilianna
>>46225231
Is instant speed reanimation too much to ask for?
>>46225343
If this had straight up "draw a card" instead of investigate it'd be much more acceptable. I mean it'd still be limited fodder obviously, but come on man. If you're making us pay 5 for a removal spell, at least let it cantrip.
