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>>46130944
>Where can I find the rules?
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=5203.0
>What the FUCK? What rules books do I actually need?
http://pastebin.com/6AGsum1s (Updated again)
(Short version: 2007 edition of the rulebook, 2010 Update, and Armada)
>Where can I find physical miniatures to use/proxy with?
http://pastebin.com/jC96JeMV (Updated, but still incomplete: feel free to chip in with others in-thread)
>Paper ship Proxies:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/h6zp53
http://imgur.com/a/MhFcj
(uploading more)
>Boarding action rules
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Zone_Mortalis_Expansion.pdf
See the physical models link for some appropriate options for Navy troops
>Tactics and strategy resources
[Still coming soon] [ish]
Marine Tactica underway.
>BFG:Armada beta is now live
>Battleflee/tg/othic Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bfgtg
xth for bfg:a in a few days
hopefully eldar aren't complete ass
webms where
>>46161817
did you watch the stream where a guy glitched eldar ships onto a chaos save? they were fast, but not that fast
>>46161855
how make
>>46161890
record something and convert it to webm
Will they put Grand Cruisers in the actual game?
I hope they do, it's too sexy to pass up.
>>46161864
yea, but they're also bugged (some weapons dont work) and they might end up doing a balance pass before they come out to the real game.
So fa/tg/uys which version of BFG do you normally play? I just picked up the Core book and armada but I'm heavily considering using the BFG:R rules.
>>46161924
Judging by how much they seem to love the source material (and the fact that their proverbial neckbeards can be seen from orbit), I have no doubt that they'll be adding content and ships for a long while.
And I feel you, the day I can take my Avenger and AAF that bastard up the middle of an enemy fleet is the day...well, the day that happens. Can't be clever at work.
>>46162008
>Avenger
To hell with that I want my exocist or maybe an executor in a chaos fleet.
>>46161957
Yeah, they've got an internal testing unit working alongside the public beta, and apparently that there's currently a bunch of rebalancing of the other two races going on based on their feedback. Presumably the Xeno ship stats and capabilities found in the open beta client are outdated already.
Word is, Orks used to be pretty overpowered because you pretty much just had to charge in close and they'd melt everything. Eldar apparently were very dangerous under AI control because it can micro shit for days, but pretty weak when controlled by a human.
>>46161924
Might be a bit problematic that there are no xenos equivalent of grand cruisers. Imperium and Chaos have some, but neighter Orks or Eldar have them. They already had to move one of the Eldar CAs to the BC slot to fill that one, so I'm not sure how to elegantly handle the lack of grand cruisers for those factions.
A pity since I do like them. Repulsive is one of my favourite ships in BFG.
>>46161924
I want some real escort missions like protecting a universe-class mass conveyor, instead of those dinkyass transport ships
getting out some huge ships to escort those would be totally worth it
>>46162085
they might end up, with gw permission/guidance, making their own ships for those sort of things. that would be nice, at least, though doubtful.
>>46162054
The exorcist is probably the wiser choice in the long run, but the idea of every weapon slot filled with massed banks of large cannons vomiting the video game equivalent of 16 dice gets me a tingly in my tumbly.
That and I am not a smart man, and subtle tactics is beyond me, so the Avenger fits perfectly.
>>46161924
With any luck, NEVAR! I always felt that the Imperial Grand Cruisers were the Fugliest thing they ever added to the game. Even more so than the most recent generation Hive Shit.
It also makes no Emperor Damned sense that these things mount four broadside hardpoints visually whilst BB's only mount three. The whole double-decker thing is just wanky Bull Shiite.
>>46162085
Why does it have to be even? Imperials legitimately just have more ship types. Eldar have cruisers out the ass if you allow their variant loadouts and that's the idea you want mostly.
Orks don't have regular grand cruisers but their 10 HP hulls are kinda already halfway to BCs as it is
>>46162112
I want this one.
Although its design always tickled me because you'd be launching your fighters directly into your weapons' lines of fire.
I just noticed the Calixis Sector is on the map in the intro to BFG:Armada, though it places it much closer to the Eye of Terror than traditionally. Then again that map is clearly not to scale.
>>46162099
It's not out of the question. 40k video games have been given the GW blessing to make new shit and have even transferred that back to the tabletop in some cases or at least the fluff.
Dawn of war threw the blood Ravens into the spotlight and Space Marine canonized the vengeance launcher. BFG making new ships isn't that ridiculous
>>46161725
Posting epic soundtrack and thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is0I7M0W_Ig
Really sounds likes Dawn of War I have to admit.
>>46162248
Yeah, I'm thinking they might have sourced some of the tracks from DoW. They sound way too similar otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, it's great music, but I thought I booted up the wrong game when I first heard it.
Can we talk about Retribution class battleships? They seem enormously underwhelming in BFG:A. What am I meant to do with it? It doesn't seem to work in a gunline, it doesn't seem to be any good at sniping, it's far too fat to be sent off on its own...
I'm a bit lost.
>>46162329
RAMMING
>>46162184
The eye of terror itself kinda varies in size but the agreed notion for the calixis sector is that its on the opposite side from Terra
>>46162248
Hot damn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFREOz5CvDs
>>46162248
Yep it's good
>>46162293
You're not going crazy, they sourced some of the choir from DoW Retributions imperial guard themes
Reposting these from the last thread.
Ork gameplay video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChfD6Gc_T4&ab_channel=Vi6DDarkKing
Eldar gameplay video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q9CpoXicdg&ab_channel=Vi6DDarkKing
Brace your ears For Impact, but it's worth taking a look.
>>46162112
Yeah. I like the Avenger for how brutal and to the point it is. No fancy manouvers and tactics, just several kilometers of macrobatteries and bad attitude.
According to Rogue Trader it's actually the most reliable of the grand cruisers, but unfortunately among the rarest, since they had an extremely high attrition rate due to being primarily used to crash into the middle of the enemy fleet and firing all the guns at point-blank range. All surviving examples are covered in battle-scars from forgotten wars back when the Imperium was still young.
That's another reason I like the grand cruisers. They're invariably ancient ships, veterans of thousands of battles now mostly mothballed due to being considered obsolete relics with a reputation of being unreliable or downright cursed. Yet they're still a force to be reconed with, many sporting advanced systems the Mechanicus barely understands anymore, and while many have fallen the surving ones still loyally serve the Emperor after all these millenias.
>>46162329
Microwarp jump, stasis bomb, target engines. Take escorts, 3x firestorms cover a lot of weaknesses in imperial ships
>>46162399
I don't really like how the Eldar ships stand still while firing. They don't seem as hyper mobile as the TT game makes them.
Maybe that's a good thing though.
>>46162329
While I don't personally have one, I have been on the receiving end of an aggressive Retribution class - it can be very scary if it's stuck in the middle of an enemy fleet with Lock-On, splitting cruisers in two with its prow armor while dumping macro battery fire into everything near it.
It just needs support. It's sort of the opposite of the Emperor class - one helps the fleet be awesome, another needs the help of the fleet to BE awesome.
>>46162151
>Eldar have cruisers out the ass if you allow their variant loadouts and that's the idea you want mostly.
Unless they've added a ton of Eldar ships in some semi-official source, the only cruisers for the Corsair fleet (ie. the standard BFG Eldar) are the Shadow and the Eclipse, neigther of which has much choise in weapon loadout.
Now, the Craftworld Eldar have the Dragonship, which had a ton of variations (IIRC you have three hardpoints and can freely pick lances, batteries, launchbays and torpedoes in any combination), but that's an entirely different fleet from the Corsairs, with a wholly different aestethic.
>>46162419
Yeah loyal until their captain randomly decides to turn traitor because imperial chaos ships should be that horrifyingly bad
>>46162436
Its mostly cause the guy isn't commanding them right.
>>46162436
Pretty sure it was just that guy being shit, as the AI ships were still moving and shooting. At least I hope that's the case.
BFG Armada is neat and all, but until it lets you make your own custom fleet battles and not just do this mission/renown BS the game will be useless
>>46162184
>>46162362
It does seem to be too close to the Eye, given the fluff on the FFG books is that Calixis is pretty calm sector when it comes to any large scale stuff (there's a ton of heretical cults and shit, but not really any large-scale Chaos incrusions and the like), which would seem somewhat unlikely if it were right next door to the Eye.
Also it's supposed to be very close to the rim of the galaxy given that the Koronus Expanse is directly rimwards from it and extends to the Halo Stars.
>>46162436
I think they didn't have the "attacking while moving won't cancel your move" option turned on
>>46162329
The basic thing about pretty much all battleships in BFG is that they don't actually offer all that more raw firepower. Point for point, you'll get more dakka through just buying more cruisers.
However, what battleships are (usually) good at is resilience. They can take a pounding like nothing else and still keep on trucking. With the Retribution in particular, you pretty much want it front and center of your formation, heading right ot the enemy to draw much of the enemy fire and force them to maneuver. If they don't move they'll eat a huge torp salvo and have to contend with a big number of macro batteries up close, and if they do move that gives your other cruisers a better opportunity to close in and isolate their own targets. The extra range is mostly just a bonus, so it can still contribute to the fight when faster enemy ships try to back off.
So basically, give the Retribution a teleport, some better engines and shields, maybe that one mod that increases battery accuracy at long ranges, and pretty much use it like a giant battering ram.
>>46162508
THIS. I really hate not allowing custom battles. Also, bullet time is glitched for me. Everytime I use it I can't select my ships.
>>46162508
Custom battles is literally right there in the main menu, just not unlocked during the beta.
>>46162551
Keep in mind the only direct way out of
the eye is through the cadian gate and that's pointed in the opposite direction
>>46162480
Armada added the battleship and light cruisers as present during the gothic war. I think what anon was implying is that you can make some pretty reasonable Eldar cruisers from just taking some more configurations of Eldar weapons on corsair hulls
>>46162557
>>46162479
>>46162434
Thank you anons. This is helpful. I was thinking of trading the thing in for an emperor but after reading this, I'll stick with her for now.
>>46162344
I will keep this in mind.
Now if the game would stop restarting my graphics card every ten minutes, I'd be happy...
My favourite grand cruiser is also the ugliest. The Furious class is not a pretty ship but it has dorsal lances, torpedoes and BB strength batteries.
>>46162495
Depends on the class. Avengers, and Exorcists aren't particularly noted to turn traitor (they're just considered unreliable, Avenger somewhat less so, due to being difficult to maintain). Repulsive is another matter entirely. So few loaylist examples exist anymore that it's commonly forgotten to have been an Imperial vessel in the first place.
You can't really blame the captain, though. At least according to RT, Repulsives have a design flaw that if their engines are not properly maintained (and they never are because much of the knowledge needed to build and maintain them has been lost) they interfere with the gellar field, causing it to flicker off at random, practically guaranteed that sooner or later the ship will disappear in the Warp, its crew twisted beyond recognition or slaughtered by daemons.
So I just got out of an assassination mission as the attacker, and what the fuck was this shit?
Had his admiral ship in one corner of the map away from all his other ships.
He started moving forward towards my line, all his other ships too far away to reach.
I got my whole fleet in around his ship in seconds and was hammering the shit out of him.
Then he goes BACK TO THE SAME SPOT his admiral ship started in and warped away, and I was the one who was defeated? What the fuck?
>>46162757
That's why you preserve your lightning strikes and boardings to interrupt the enemy warping.
>>46162542
Tzeentch ship with warp ghost
Kektastic
>>46162757
>>46162915
Dude you got just-as-planneded
>>46162757
so you couldn't kill him before his warp timer went down? i noticed i can just run away and warp only a few seconds after they catch me and the fight starts
>>46162501
On that subject how do you set the right behaviour to default, annoying you have to set it each game
Achievements have been added to the steam page.
>>46163096
Meh
>>46162058
tfw want to play Eldar all day every day but shit at micro
>>46163720
You have an unlimited supply of slow mo even in multiplayer
>>46162727
It wasn't just the repulsive that had that problem - most of the ships of the gaerox perogative and the concurrent classes at the time (age of apostasy iirc) had that design flaw in their warp engines, which is why chaos warfleets are mainly of those classes of former imperial ships.
>>46163925
Depends on the ship. Desolator I believed had the same flaw as Repulsive. Carnage and Hades had some sort of architectural flaw (possibly purposefully planned by heretical tech-priests) that would drive the crews mad. Despoiler was built on the blueprints of the Death Guard battlebard Terminus Est, which unsuprisingly turned out to be a terrible idea.
Some others, like Slaughter and Acheron were prototypes or use technology Imperium can't reproduce anymore and so are only found in Chaos fleets (Acheron in original fluff was an unique vessel, while the Slaughter uses high-powered engine coils the Imperium can't make anymore), while others like the Murder weren't particularly noted to turn to Chaos but were eventually phased out of common use by the Imperial Navy, so are now mostly found in reserve fleets or in hands of Chaos (Murder was the IN's primary line ship before being replaced by the Lunar, and their sheer numbers meant a proportinal amount also turned to Chaos).
Many of the admirals of Gaerox Perogative also turned traitor when they lost the fight to their opponents in the admirality (who favoured the "lots of big guns" approach of ship design over the "attack crafts everywhere" approach of the Perogative), taking their ships with them.
>>46162399
>that accent
What the fuck, where is that from
It's so grating
>>46164467
His voice annoys me greatly, but how shit he is annoys me even more.
Has anyone here shopped from Aliexpress? How is their quality of model/shipping?They've got recast battleships and I want them.
>>46164659
The quality is good, but be prepared for some warped parts - nothing a quick dip in boiling water and some straightening can't fix. Also, vent tabs are prominent and a pain in the ass, especially when it's attached to some flimsy and important piece. I'm finishing up the Chinese Brokeback Oberon right now, and can post photos for folks when I get it to a presentable state.
That said, they're still worth getting simply because, well, where the hell else are you going to get them?
>>46162112
You never actually get 16 dice with an avenger though.
>>46164787
With a few upgrades, that'll be still spitting 16 dice.
>>46162112
>>46162054
>>46162163
Jesus Christ, what's the deal with the prow on Imperial Grand cruisers? It looks worse than most scratch-builds. Just random little bits strewn around on a lumpy wedge.
>>46164659
a few little warps here and there, but nothing unexpected for resin.
>>46165196
Are those from Irene^_^ on aliexpress?
>>46165215
yeah, photo was from probably over a year ago now.
>>46165196
I prefer metal ships a lot but at this point I think I can't be spoiled for choice.
>>46162131
Pic related.
>4 weapon slots QQ Battleships only have 3
You ever noticed that Grand Cruisers have more >raw< broadside firepower than BBs? The tradeoff is lower HP and no prow weapons for some crit immunity and better broadsides. They serve a different role than the battleships, and should be treated as such (as opposed to small BBs).
>>46162215
>>46162151
There's also a bunch of room to play with shit from FFG. I do agree that the Orks already basically have their own Grand Cruisers. But if you wanted to make your own, just pull the spine and prow weapons off of a 10HP "battleship" and give it a Brute-style ramming prow. Orky as fuck, does what it's supposed to, and adds an interesting option in the top end of the fleet besides the DeathDeala and her ilk.
>>46165336
Do you have any genuine ships to compare the quality with?
>>46165668
You do understand that the quality of the old GW metal minis was dogshit, right?
>>46165712
>remembering what I had to do to get my grand cruiser and battle barge together properly
So much pinning
So much green stuffWhen is there going to be a recast of the grand cruisers?
They say a release date for armada? I wanna try out the Eldar ships somethin' fierce
>>46165790
bewteen now and end of march supposedly.
also shame aliexpress doesn't have necron ships, op as shit and all that but they look damn cool
>>46165712
>You do understand that the quality of the old GW metal minis was dogshit, right?
This, so much this.
If the hull was a single piece, the model was usually alright, but the guy they had cutting the models for the other molds fucked up BADLY.
• Battleship: 5 fucking mm gap in the tabs, spines almost universally warped 1-2mm, locking surfaces for the hull parts misaligned on literally every model between gun bays 2 and 3, misaligned locking surfaces on the spine, tabs on the engines .5mm too large on the left side, hole for stand drilled 1mm too large.
• Grand Cruisers - Ignored the original prow design and hired someone to shit it up. Hull tabs interface incorrectly with prow. Bottom edges of "Imperial"-style gun mounts nearly universally warped
• Voss Light Cruisers - So many undercuts they literally ripped apart the molds; the master was destroyed within weeks of starting production because they decided to make the hull and prow one piece (if they'd cast the prow separately it wouldn't have done that)
The AdMech ships go well together but look kinda shitty.
>>46165770
Well hopefully the video game does well and then we getFFGto make a re-release of BFG.
>>46165712
Yes, but recasts are generally slightly worse than the originals AFAIK, and slightly worse than dogshit would be quite worrisome.
>>46162000
BFG:R is fantastic. I can very highly reccomend it.
>>46162131
This post reeks of mid-2000s.
>>46165890
Seriously my retribution looks like a crooked dick
>>46165914
Looking at the details there, it's actually pretty good for being Chinese. Those plastic cruisers could pass for the real deal if they didn't have those chinese casting tabs attached to them
>>46165914
>Yes, but recasts are generally slightly worse than the originals AFAIK, and slightly worse than dogshit would be quite worrisome.
You don't have to run three half-mike brass rods down the spine of a resin Grand Gruiser or battleship to make it hold together tightly enough that a kitten sneezing won't instantly snap the prow half off. Filing and patching is way easier too. Your weapon bay and spine are warped? Boil a bitch for a couple minutes or hit it with a heat gun and straighten it out with a dish towel. Instead of spending forty minutes cursing and waving pliers at it.
Fins don't fit? No need for a fucking Dremel and an hour of your time, you can grab a dust mask and file it in a few seconds.
Also, the glue holds WAY better on resin than early 2000s GW pewter. They used a realyl nasty mold release back then, which had a tendency to "sweat" out of the model on warm days and trash your glue/paint. Even if you washed it.
>>46165668
>>46165914
I've nothing to hand but they are quality resin castings. the only problems I've found on them are the very rare airbubble on a tiny pillar piece and natural inconsistencies that have come over from the original metal minis. they beat forgeworld and Finecast models into the ground for quality, although anybody who actually owns resin kits from companies other than GW will know what GW says is top quality is bottom barrel shit.
>>46166012
>Seriously my retribution looks like a crooked dick
Eldar models are especially hilarious once they start sagging.
>>46166044
>>that prow
Event Horizon.
>>46166044
All you're describing are problems with the building process as a result of the material, though. It's a good advantage for recasts, sure, but what I'm curious and/or worried about is the quality of the actual details.
Once painted, will they be as crisp-looking as the originals or will they look muddy, rounded, uneven, broken, thick, thin or any other negative adjective?
>>46162399
I hope Orks are fun. I just want to ram people and blast them from point blank.
>>46166249
Why not simply buy the cheapest model you're interested in? That way you'll get to see if they are good enough for you or not.
>>46166249
From what I've seen, the detail is slightly rounded and there's a small amount of bubbling. Like, less than Forge World small. If you're not literally holding it three inches from your eyes you're not going to notice hte former.
Word of warning though, the masts are a little more fragile than Geedub's, so you might want to cut off the nests and lights on the longer ones, drill them, and mount them on some wire (not that I didn't do that with my GW ones, but still). Also keep an eye on the really small and fiddly bits on battleships.
'Irene' is the most elaborate and long term shilling scheme ever made by man or is actually a model vendor.
I dont know anymore
>>46161725
I wonder, has anyone ever played a game with one of these monstrosities in it? Homebrew rules I would guess?
Never played BFG on tabletop or vidya, but I've always had a big interest in BFG and I've studied the rules a lot.
>>46166748
How come you never got round to playing either?
>>46166675
I don't know either, which is why I ordered a test cruiser. Losing $15 to a scam wouldn't be the end of the world, and if it actually gets here and looks good? All the reason to start collecting a fleet on the cheap.
Does anyone feel the weapon effects don't really pop enough on the vidya? Sometimes I have a hard time telling if my lance ships are even firing and if so what they are firing at.
>>46166675
Trust your fellow man. I'm not the only Anon to have ordered from Irene; although I must confess I never paid enough attention to this general to see what they got.
>>46166675
>lookup Irene to see what al the fuss is about
>all the ork escorts and Kill Kroozer are there
Tempted.jpg
inb4 my bits box is almost none existent after over 10 years on not playing 40k so i cant scratch buildplus i never tried before, maybe over the summer tho
>>46166675
Here's one I got from Irene, the Light of Autism. Not done yet by any means (smoothing out the prow colors, details, etc), but aside from the fact that I assembled it all retarded, I'm very happy with it.
>>46167241
Change that name nigga
>>46167241
looks bent?
>>46166249
Irene's Repulsives have better "wing" detail than my GW Repulsive does.
Yes, the detail might be a little bit softer, but go look at eBay prices and tell me it's worth the difference.
>>46167402
Let's see, what happened when I went to assemble it was:
>Assembled prow section at an angle, because speshul
> Installed the engines with the wrong tabs, again speshul
>WB's/Modules don't line up properly
>Kit had no turrets for the longest time, making it look and feel more idiotic
Seriously, it looked like it was built by someone with three fingers and one eye, and since the resin is too brittle to break and reset I just said fuck it and rolled with the punches.
>>46167241
Man if I could only settle on a colour scheme I might actually bother assembling them all.
>>46167631
I know the feeling. Only went with the brown because it was the first paint I saw. Worked out okay, I think. Gonna do the eagle and trim in gold, to give it some pop, and do a blue glow for the engines.
What ships do you have? Could try something other than the usual green/grey/brown for IN ships, and you could go batshit with Chaos ships.
>>46166852
I know man. For £30 I can get one of my 500 points lists or £10 for a cruiser and im tempted but they most likely wouldn't be used for games and just be sweet desk ornaments(if i got round to painting)
>>46164659
There are 2 sellers on there, but I've only bought from Irene. It's good stuff, I've never had a miscast. You'll have to clean up some flash and you might have some warped parts like >>46164766 said, but they're easy to fix with some hot water. A little time with a hobby knife/scalpel and small file will have them looking perfect.
I don't know about the other person, but Irene has also been in the casting business for a long time. She used to sell other recast 40k minis under the name MirandaIrene on there but it got taken down.
Anyway, pic related. I got these from a guy on ebay who got them from Irene.
>>46167551
The front half drooping is normal with the metal ones.
But you're right, it is a weakness that the WB modules aren't straight. The metal ships didn't have that problem because the modules were plastic.
>>46167920
I find that a hair dryer works better.
You only need a heat gun for 40k-sized stuff.
>>46167920
>>46165790
>>46165823
I've heard a whole lot of people saying it's the 23rd, but I've never seen any official confirmation or source on this.
The 10% off preorder deal ends on the 23rd so maybe they're going on that but who knows?
>>46167948
I'll have to try out the hair dryer/heat gun. Getting a bit tired of scalding myself every time I get some warping.
>>46167702
Colour is nice, muted but not dark.
Imperial Navy, I was throwing around ideas for quite a light Pistachio green.
>>46168110
Huh, I think that could work out nicely. Can pait with a number of highlight colors too, it's quite versatile.
>>46168110
Going for kind of a Canadian feel? They use a similar color.
I recently got a few Imperial Navy cruisers and escorts, and now I have to pick a paint scheme.
I was thinking about copying the great white fleet. Which would mean brass or dark gold for gun turrets and bridge superstructure, white with a few gold highlights for the prow and most of the ship's hull, and red for the lower part and the engines.
Would that work? Any advice on painting in general? I haven't actually worked with models in years.
>>46169111
White is a pain in the ass to paint with. Go with a light grey instead.
Also, is the video game actually good?
>>46166762
The only people I've known who play TT gaming in real life were in some of the band kids high school, and we didn't run in the same circles. I've been to a few local comic shops that hold gaming events, but they play X-Wing and 40K.
I'm really anxious to try out Armada though once I get a new laptop. Never messed with Steam before but I hope the multiplayer environment will be pretty active.
>>46169182
Yup.
>>46169182
I like it. It's rough around the edges, kinda like the old total war games (pre-medieval 2).
If you expect an AAA title, you'll be disappointed but for a 10 man studio the game is fantastic.
Anybody got some videos of BFG Armada with really good gameplay?
>>46169182
>White is a pain in the ass to paint with. Go with a light grey instead.
Thanks. What colour should I use as undercoat?
>>46169297
If you are using spray paint, then you might be able to go with white, or a light gray. For a light color scheme you probably DON'T want to start with black unless you are going to go over it competently and just use the black for detail. But even then you can just dunk it in a wash to get a similar effect.
>>46169263
>>46169225
Worth buying now or wait until actual release?
>>46169297
Not that guy but here.
>>46169387
2 hour trial it if you're curious.
>>46169297
You might consider using light grey as the undercoat and then a drybrush with pure white.
>>46169359
Thanks. I'm mostly using a friend's collection of paints and untensils, I think he has white spray primer. I'm was incredibly worried about screwing up because the models are so hard to get but with chink copies available I'm willing to try.
>>46169387
I've spent 26 hours on the beta so far.
>>46169388
Thank you.
>>46169387
releases in like 3 days but you can always buy and refund. its worth it though, even if there are balance issues, its one of the best 40k games in a long time and does the series justice.
>>46169498
Yeah, it seems to be the Dawn of War of this generation of 40k games.
>>46169463
If things go really wrong you can always simpler green it.
With the white prime you probably want to prime, then dry brush with a grey all around.
>>46169182
>Also, is the video game actually good?
Very. It's may be the most graphically beautiful space RTS ever, and the gameplay is remarkably good.
It has some balance issues and crash-related bugs, but that's par for the course with any beta test.
>>46169111
>Would that work?
I actually use a similar scheme for my generic Chaos ships. You need to be careful with the contrasts, though. The paler your "white", the darker the gold needs to be. I'd use a dark, ruddy bronze personally, with a pale haze-grey top instead of the Codex Grey I used (you can see how it's not really contrasting too well with the bronze in some areas). I'd use a grey undercoat if you're going with a whitish color, and use a "cold" or gory blue-red instead of orange-reds (a grey or black undercoat will tend to wash out the latter).
If you're going full-on white, undercoat her in white and use washes and glazes to pick out your detail - it's less heartache in the long run. You could even mask the central part of the ship and then spray the top and bottom with black primer if you want, it'll make the metals easier.
Also please ignore the cheeto crumb on the lances, I have no idea how that shit got there.
>>46169408
>2 hour trial it if you're curious.
How does one do this?
>>46169387
buy it and refund it, or just aquire it for free anon to try, it looks brilliant, plays very well but like others have said is a bit rough around the edges.
only reccomendation is anti aliasing filters are weird, turn it to low and everything else to max for very pretty grafix
>>46169770
>You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.
>It doesn't matter. Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any reason, if the request is made within fourteen days of purchase, and the title has been played for less than two hours. There are more details below, but even if you fall outside of the refund rules we’ve described, you can ask for a refund anyway and we’ll take a look.
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/
>>46169770
Just buy it and play for less than 2 hours. You can then request a refund. I haven't had a refund refused yet. Actually the money I used to grab BFG:A was used to trial a whole bunch of games before I finally settled on Armada.
>>46168999
>those highlights on the black prows
Sweet.
>>46169796
just posting another sweet screenshot.
>>46169761
>You could even mask the central part of the ship and then spray the top and bottom with black primer if you want,
I'm planning to paint the ships before I assemble them. Is that a good idea?
Painting the central part would be easier that way, as the wings and weapon batteries could be done separately.
>>46169408
Doesn't this not matter right now because the game is pre-release? You can return a pre-release game any time.
>>46170028
Ah, good point. Not sure to be honest. I have heard that though.
>>46169880
Make sure to dry fit them before you start painting.
>make new admiral to get away from higher level plays
>immediately get placed against a higher level player
>>46170334
devs said there is a hidden admiral mmr, which for beta is set to 0.
>>46170513
Yeah I know, but it still feels good trouncing players who don't know about the time limit for defenders
>>46169530
I'm really liking the game too but I would trade it for DoW 3 without a moment's hesitation.
>>46169870
>>46169796
The graphics in this game are really peculiar. I mean, you've got amazing ship models on par with anything in a movie, but then odd shortcomings like the low-res texture on the armored prow and the weirdly transparent engine flare effect.
>>46170774
It really depends on the direction DoW 3 would be going in. A proper sequel to DoW 1 would be very nice, while BFG:A is already superior to DoW 2 as a real time tactics game, as long as you don't really dislike naval combat.
>>46170793
Also on some ships the engine flare just comes out between the two engines. (I think it was the transports).
>>46170849
dow 3 in any direction would be amazing if only for relics top tier voice acting, and the last stand. though I'd prefer a bit of a mix between dow 2 and dow 1, with a bigger map, more troops on the field, but more customization of each squad and less micromanagement. (but also keeping with cover, vehicles with armor points, a more competitive feel)
>people keep forgetting to split their transports
Yeah, I'm gonna fall for the two blips in the corner and the massive center fleet is just nothing. One escort and your whole plan falls apart.
>>46171098
sometimes for fun I just make hordes of escorts on transport missions, 12 or so, then set them in group of 3/4 all over the map.
never fails, makes people mad too
>>46166260
There needs to be a sound version of this. Though I guess Spire's narration might mess it up.
https://instaud.io/l8W
>>46169880
>I'm planning to paint the ships before I assemble them. Is that a good idea?
Yeah, that's fine. In fact, you have to if you're magnetizing your fleet (I had a friend who color-coded his weapons modules so you could always tell what his ships were armed with at a glance).
>>46169841
>Just buy it and play for less than 2 hours.
Actually since its a "pre-order" (and NOT early access) right now, I believe you can refund it even after 2 hours so long as it hasn't hit release yet.
>tfw all your torpedoes hit just right and you follow up with a barrage of anti-armor macro cannons on all your ships
It will be a greater feeling when they patch those torpedoes
>>46171533
it will be brilliant, especially since I as a fool chose the chaos big boy ship with torpedos and have been regretting it since.
Am I crazy or should ramming cancel a warp jump?
>>46171636
It usually will when there is nothing left but a wreckage
Any anons play this game with older computers? I've got a laptop thats about 3 years old now and I'm wary of buying newer games that look this nice.
>>46171410
Yeah >>46170028 pointed that out. Still even in 2 hours you can work whether you enjoy something or not. Though to be honest for me it took a little while before the game started to click.
>>46171636
Realistically? Yes.
But I suspect they didn't have it do that for balance reasons. It looks like they want to encourage you to pull out damaged ships, and that would make it all but impossible to do so.
>>46171352
I was able to make this just by waiting till Spire shuts up and going from there.
http://webmshare.com/r6jRg
Does anyone else think the whole "destroyed ships are replaced for free in X turns" is a cool mechanic to potentially use in a tabletop campaign game for whatever system?
Has any tabletop game used a system like that before?
Also, when the color customizer is in I'm totally making a Storm Wardens Marines fleet.
>>46171792
I think its cool but has no place in human v human combat since you rarely will ever meet the same person again and end up gimped for a few fights.
>>46171848
I meant for a dedicated group having a weekly campaign. Like the old days of Gorkamorka, Necromunda, Mordheim, etc.
>>46171792
Sounds a bit like the TT bfg campaign.
Destroyed ships are replaced with a new ship of the same class without any upgrades and with shit leadership.
A blow if you lose upgrades but ensures you'll still put up a fight in the next game.
>>46171408
How do you magnetize a fleet? Are there small enough magnets?
Scuttlebutt seems to be that the game is going to be delayed so the devs can try and fix the multiplayer crashes. I just want to play campaign and skirmish, I don't care about multiplayer crashes...
>>46171848
Yeah for straight up PvP it's a very strange mechanic. Would be pretty cool for a common galactic war set-up (like in Chromehounds or Helldivers).
>>46171792
>Does anyone else think the whole "destroyed ships are replaced for free in X turns" is a cool mechanic to potentially use in a tabletop campaign game for whatever system?
The guys making the vidya are simulating a mechanic in BFG campaigns - Repair Points. Based on what you control and how famous you are, you get slightly more or less per campaign turn. You spend them to repair and refurbish ships, buy replacement Escorts, etc. That extra point from having access to a Forgeship is a fucking Godsend sometimes; I actually won a campaign because of it once (had just enough to recover my Dominator the turn I had to go beard an Eldar player in his lair, and it wound up killing his Haven Spire).
>Has any tabletop game used a system like that before?
It's extremely common in the /hwg/ community, there have been similar rules used back into the early days of Napoleonics to represent Reserves and replacement troops in long-running campaigns. The early systems were usually very abstract, sometimes just "this unit skips a game and comes back the game after". They only got weird and complicated once people started taking the operations-level aspects of wargaming seriously.
>>46171883
Sure. I magnetize my ships to their flight stands. A friend magnetized his IN cruisers so every weapon module could be swapped.
>>46171883
>How do you magnetize a fleet?
Drill small holes in the gun bays, and insert magnets. The Lance decks are super easy to magnetize, since you can just drill into them, but you need to plug the back of battery and carrier modules. You can either glue a thin sheet of steel to the back, plug the hole with cheap putty (I use JB Weld epoxy), or glue on a sheet of 1mm plasticard with holes drilled in for the magnets. You may have to sand down the back of the carrier module a little, though I sometimes do that for looks anyway.
If you use the metal sheets you don't have to worry about polarity or matching all the holes up, although you often have to use an additional magnet on whatever you're sticking to it to guarantee a good hold.
If you're not using metal sheets, you >will< need to make a jig to make sure all the holes line up. That can be a simple as drilling two holes in a popsicle stick cut to fit the gun bay and pricking starter holes into the bay and weapons with a needle.
>Are there small enough magnets?
These are Magcraft doped-neodymium 1.6mm magnets. Compare to the lance bay. I got 200 for $11.
They come smaller; I got these to magnetize my Robotech Tactics models.
Can you block enemy macrocannons in Armada by moving your ships between the attacker and their target?
>>46172316
Unfortunately not at the moment. The debris of a wrecked ship will block cannon fire, so the code is obviously there.
I would guess they were having a hard time getting the AI to avoid friendly fire and removed that.
>>46161725
Are there any good or consistent recasters for this, or is it just a slew of random Ebay listings including recasts?
>>46172369
I wonder how close they are sticking to TT, because I thought ships don't block LoS in TT.
>>46172434
It's like you didn't even check the pastebin linked in the OP.
>>46172316
I've noticed that you can block lance fire (at least chaos lance fire) and the ship that blocks doesn't take any damage. Useful when defending on breakthrough.
>>46172495
In TT, the actual ships are a tiny pinprick in the middle of the flying base stem, with the radius of just the small base being several thousand kilometers. Obviously, that wouldn't translate at all to vidya, so they decided to drop proper scaling in order to make an actually playable game.
>>46172697
I know that. I was just wondering if trying to stay true to the mechanics of TT was why they don't have blocking. But then >>46172648 says that lances seem to be blocked. It's only beta anyway so some things are probably buggy or half-implemented.
>>46172369
That's a shame. Physically simulated projectiles are always so much fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsJ3Syb8wW4
>>46172859
Hitting fliers with Bertha fire in TA was pretty funny.
It kind of looks like they are simulated except collision is off for anything except the target.
I want more escorts but they just aren't useful enough to bring...
>>46174326
Upgraded ones are often underestimated. I lost one particular match to a guy who kept rushing forward with his every time my shields went down. Turns out they had AA microcannons and it was tearing me up while their main ship was tanking the damage.
And on transport missions they are game winners.
>>46174380
I find they can be absurdly effective.
>get like six swords
>hide in dustcloud, bait enemy towards it
>emerge from dustcloud like a swarm of piranhas at point blank range
Especially if you do your kiting back towards said cloud with a BB or something that can tank hits, so the enemy has to choose between maintaining focused fire or swapping to new targets.
Is there an imperial battle ship with macro cannon batteries?
I swear if the retributions broadside actually did damage it would be worth using
>>46174674
TT or vidya? In any case isn't the Retribution the main Imperial gun battery battleship?
I like to think that Red Dwarf is a pre-warp drive era Human mining vessel, and that the show is them discovering ancient long lost human colonies in a galaxy devoured by the Tyranids.
>>46174703
vidya, but is there are list of all the imperial ships in TT? i couldn't find it in the sticky
>>46174741
I don't think there's a main list anywhere. Doesn't the Retribution at least have good range? I haven't unlocked it yet but it should have something like double the range of regular Imp cruisers.
>>46174787
It has 6 plasma batteries, which have double the range of macro cannons and do half the damage
I prefer the other way round
>>46174741
For the ship list, check this from the link in the OP. "BFG Rulebook" is the one you're looking for, ships start around page 150 : https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-aXA8fc5AQ8fmpVUEtsb1IxcDM5M2pBZjVGcFM5MTlWejVqVkt4VXZzX3E1YWQ0OER5Vnc&usp=sharing (Can't upload it here directly due to filesize)
The main rulebook has all ships in the Gothic sector, which covers all of the vidya's Imps and Chaos (except for the Hellbringer), Orks and Eldar will apparently get some additional ship types not listed in there.
Also yeah, the Retribution already is the Imperial battery battleship, you're not getting anything with more raw dakka. BFG battleships simply don't have all that much more firepower than cruisers, their main deal is that they're more resilient and often have better range. For comparison, the TT broadside of the Retribution is exactly the same strength of the Dominator's.
>>46174674
>Is there an imperial battle ship with macro cannon batteries?
TT doesn't differentiate between macro and plasma batteries. It has str 12, range 60 on TT, which is as good as the imperials get on battleships.
The only imperial ship with stronger macro cannon batteries is the avenger grand cruiser, with str 16, range 30.
>>46174794
The split between macro cannons and plasma cannons is purely a vidya thing, to make it easier to distinguish between the short-ranged and long-ranged batteries. In TT the Retribution has a broadside battery firepower of 12, the same as the Dominator and twice that of the Lunar's or Dictator's macro batteries (excepting their lances and launch bays). The total damage values in the vidja should come out to pretty much exactly that, too.
>>46174832
>>46174850
Thanks anons
>>46174794
If you want damage go for cruisers instead. Imperial BBs all have good range but not that great firepower. I always preferred the Emperor anyway. It could dump more battery fire at a single target and could launch squadrons on top of that. Loses the dorsal lances though.
>>46174862
They probably got it from the line in the Tyrant cruiser's description about "superfired plasma batteries" which give it longer range. It's one of the few times the type of weapon is mentioned as far as weapon batteries go.
>>46174741
>is there are list of all the imperial ships in TT?
I'm working on a reference doc of all the canon ships, but I'm also running a major sub-department of a >very< large convention that starts on Thursday, so things are a bit slow on my end right now. Ironically, I'll probably have time to work on it on Thursday night..
In the meantime, here's the one I did back in 2004 with most of the 2007/2010 FAQ notes included.
Battlefleet Gothic are available on Aliexpress, sold by this guy:
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/YZZRrz7Mb
I bought a couple Imperial crafts and they are basically perfect. Details are crisp, quality is very good, just a few moldlines to clean and some bending fixable with hot water - usual stuff working with resin. Came with clear bases. Shipping time was about 3 weeks.
I'm going to play against a Tau player in a few days. Probably 1000 points, 2010 rules.
I'll play either imperial navy or admech. Any advice on how to bully him for his shit taste in 40k races? I've only played bfg once before.
>>46171636
>oponent's flagship is trying to warp jump
>ram it
>push it halfway across the map
>the warp still happens and the camera zooms into the ship as my own is T boning it.
>>46175221
Fuck AM battleships look nice.
>>46175261
Being so close should suck your ship in as well.
>>46175261
And that is how little Space Hulks are made.
>>46161725
Is this amazing thing a Gloriana? When will they include it in Armada?
>>46175374
Probably. Most likely never.
Tried looking it up but just how large ARE these ships?
And does the video game do a good job representing that size?
>>46175419
How hard did you look anon? Lexicanum seems to have the dimensions for each ship.
>>46175419
Sources are disparate, but the generally quoted number is about five kilometers in length for the average imperial cruiser. That puts battleships somewhere at about 8 kilometers.
The vidja does manage to convey their weight and mass pretty well, but usually there's just nothing on the battlefield to compare against, so it's difficult to get an idea of scale from that.
Has anyone found an editable pdf of the fleet roster?
>>46175242
Use ad mech nothing will get him saltier than using fleet defence turrets against his ordnance spam
>>46175541
Is there another way to get fleet defence turrets other having luck while rolling for gifts?
>>46175563
Do you know if he is using GW or FW tau?
One of my fleets is FW tau and they can be dangerous. They're strongest from the front arc so out manoeuvre him with faster ships, more turns and lots of batteries as they're good at giving it but not taking it.
Using ad mech will give you plenty turrets, taking a carrier to throw out enough fighters to intercept his ordinance.
>>46175616
He has a few models for the sleek ones (from FW, I think), so I'd guess he'll mostly take them. 1 of their BBs, and 2 of their 180 points cruisers. We'll have to proxy our fleets with chaos and eldar cruiser anyway.
So, something like this?
+50 Archmagos
+370 Oberon BB
+215 Tyrant CA
+215 Tyrant CA
+40 Hunter DD
+40 Hunter DD
+40 Hunter DD
+30 Cobra DD
>>46175704
>3x Hunter DD
Gladius frigates, not Hunters. No idea why I put them on that list.
>>46175704
I would get rid of the Oberon, tyrant and cobra that will give ~365 ish extra points. Take a Mars BC instead and take 4 dauntless light cruisers.
That way you can snipe with you Mars whilst spamming fighters and out manoeuvre his ships with quicker ships
His BB only has 8 hull points and his cruisers only have 6. So pound for pound you will have a more dakka and ships than he will.
This is how I would counter tau but have a little play around and see how you feel
Any hints for a total newcomer playing the vidya? Like general tips for how to position ships, what weapons to use or what systems to target?
PATCH
WHEN?!!
>>46171723
I have a 2 year old budget laptop and it works fine. There's some jinkiness in the menus but in actual gameplay it runs and looks great.
>>46175890
Which fleet?
>>46171723
I've got a six year old laptop and it runs fine on the lowest setting. Anything higher and it struggles.
>>46175890
Press this button, focus on one ship, watch miracles happen.
>>46175890
Positioning: Where you can try to "cross the T" behind enemy ships as they have no weapons ther to shoot at you with. Other than that, the more weapons you can have going at once the better.
Weapons: Until the patch torpedoes are underwhelming. Personally I think that lances and Macrobatteries are pretty well balanced. You need to get in closer for your batteries to dish out their maximum potential though whereas lances can stay back more easily.
Targetting: I like to target engines first. Because it then gives you more control over what you engage and when, so you have the initiative to do what you want. After that for me it's generators or deck and then weapons. Mainly because in order to render the ship helpless you need to get rid of many more weapons so it's usually quicker to go for the deck/generator to mess them up earlier. Where the loss of a single macrobattery will just slow them down a bit.
Other than that, always try to focus fire. One vs one with ships of the same size takes an age to resolve, 2 or 3 vs 1 is obviously going to be much better for the team with more ships. And if you can kill one of theirs first you reduce the incoming damage making your life easier.
>>46175941
Cheers. Weird it isn't toggled on by default.
>>46175930
Imperials, I guess.
>>46175856
I would have to take the mars as a reserve, so it wouldn't get that additional 60cm lance. I'm not too happy with that.
Rate my list:
Space Marines 1480 pts
Fleet Commander, +2 Re-Rolls ~~~ 100 pts
Battle Barge, Honour Guard ~~~ 435 pts
Reserve Vengeance Grand Cruiser, Space Marine Captain, Honour Guard ~~~ 265 pts
2 Strike Cruisers, extra shields, Honour Guard ~~~ 340 pts total
2 Strike Cruisers, extra shields, swap Launch Bays for Bombardment Cannon, Honour Guard ~~~ 340 pts total
>>46175941
That is one poorly written tooltip.
>>46176080
Why didn't they just do it like Homeworld. Click target, click move. "Copy, moving while attacking"
>>46176110
Because sometimes you want your ships to stand still.
>>46176132
Point.
>>46176110
>>46176132
It'll probably also be fairly important for Eldar, since their pulsars rely on exactly facing the target head-on for a period of time to get their full damage, which would be pretty damn fiddly when controlling everything by hand.
>>46174326
For an Escort Swarm, upgrade all your light cruisers with Navy favour and the +50% reload upgrade. Cobra's may not be much, but when you get 4 for free every couple of minutes it'll add up fast.
Fuck. Nova. Cannons.
>>46176603
Silent run once you hear the chargeup, 3K engagement range
>>46176717
Great, except my build sucks at close range, because, y'know, Chaos.
5 of the fuckers in a 700 point match, focus fire on a battleship and a cruiser at a time, smack smack smack, wipe out my single escort.
>>46176603
Fortunately they've already been announced to be nerfed in the next patch. Less maxiumum potential damage in the center, slightly higher minimum range, greater dispersion at long range.
>>46177028
are there any other things announced for the next patch? torpedo buffs?
>>46177061
Yeah, torps are getting a pretty decent buff. They'll have a light armor-penetrating capability, treating all armour as 25 at the most, so they should be much more dangerous against capital ships.
Apart from that, there's a whole bunch of reshuffling going on with the chaos armament to standardise weapon classes and make their missiles more common. On the whole the it should result in a mild buff to their direct firepower. The Slaughter also gets a speed buff.
Full notes here: http://forum.battlefleetgothic-armada.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1042
>>46177097
I think the armour working as a save in a real time game is a bit shit. It really should have been implemented as a percentage based damage resistance.
>>46177097
Thanks
>>46176911
>5
Fuck that, tell them how faggy they are being and just alt+F4. Especially since you can't assault boat spam to counter it.
>>46165770
maybe not the best alternative, but if there's nothing else...I kinda prefer it over the original
>>46177097
Eh, torps will still get swatted by AA turrets and fighters. the 10% accuracy debuff barely does anything.
>>46177224
Alternatively, exploit the shit out of the torpedo bug to show them how it's like to be on the receiving end of stupid bullshit.
>>46177324
how to do this? I want to fuck with novaspammers before the patch.
>>46177336Just hammer the button as fast as you can. It doesn't disable and start the cooldown right away. High latency seems to help.
>datacapture
>attacker
>enemy has only ships with nurgle favour
>>46177139
Is it basically a 25/50/75% chance to take no damage?
>>46171883
I'd ignore the other guy saying about using tons of magnets. Sure, they're cheap as anything, but rare earths are strong things.
For chaos weapons and imperial gun batteries, mount the magnet in the hull and just glue a staple or some other bit of steel to the back of the weapon.
For imperial lances, the depression in the back is less so you need to drill into the battery itself before you attach the steel.
For imperial launch bays, drill a hole through each side and stick a bit of paperclip through.
All is thereafter good, no polarity worries, and hundreds of spare magnets.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wp8jNWaFZA
>>46177322
It's a de-facto 50% damage increase against capital ships that aren't Eldar. That's a pretty big deal. Even with turrets, against a single cruiser on some distance it's pretty doable to hit with two torps at least, which would translate to almost 10% of its max hp. Hit with a full spread of 5-6 at close range, and that's close to a quarter of the hull gone right there.
With pre-patch numbers, those two scenarios would only work out to ~5% and 1/6th hull points gone.
>>46177413
>tfw I made a fleet of only Nurgle ships
I just get nice and close
>>46177446
I'm kind of tempted to just go Slaanesh on everything. Perhaps not very effective, but pretty stylish and the enemy will be hitting that Execute button all the damn time.
>>46177419
Yeah, that exactly. It's pretty much how things work in the tabletop.
>>46175941
Holy shit, he isn't kidding
Heresy-era BFG when?
>>46177519
was the tabletop ever set in the golden age of tech/heresy era? also are the HH books actually good?
