Burn from Within
(X)(R) Sorcery
Burn from Within deals X damage to target creature or player. If a creature is dealt damage this way, it loses indestructible until end of turn. If that creature would die this turn, exile it instead.
>>46136535
Looks like Chandra kills sorin.
>>46136553
That doesn't look like Sorin and Chandra is not in the story as of yet.
>>46136535
Hello fireball, my old friend. It looks like you have changed a bit recently.
>this card being rare
>>46136788
It's a pretty damn good card for a rare.
>>46136788
It's not Fireball, it's Blaze.
Strictly better Blaze.
>Let's make a mechanic only to make other cards that ignore that mechanic and render it worthless!
>>46136895
It's hardly worthless if there is a very limited number of cards that do ignore it.
>>46136910
>take cards to grant indestructible purely to deal with burn removal
>burn removal is now cheap as fuck anti indestructible
durr
>>46136933
Who the fuck takes indestructiblizers to deal with burn?
(This was brought to you by someone who likes to complain and hasn't played standard since the original innistrad. If the meta is that shit now, may God help us all.)
>loses indestructible
you don't say
>>46136535
sounds like something made to deal with voltron generals in EDH
>>46136933
>burn removal is now cheap as fuck anti indestructible
XR is hardly cheap. If you're paying 5 mana at sorcery speed to take care of a single indestructible creature with 4 toughness, you're overpaying in every color except green.
>>46137025
You could also use it as X=1 after dealing that creature some other damage, like combat damage.
>>46136535
Why can't this be a fucking instant?
>>46136933
And non-targeting can get around protection.
Nothing is invincible.
Indestructible still ignores 90% of your burn. Just not one, single target spell.
>>46136933
I came here to laugh at you. Burn spells, along with kill and counter spells, have been getting higher costed and more specific as time goes by. In short, worse.
That card is nice, and a potential sb card to deal with indestructible, but its a mana sink that causes tempo loss compared to other options.
This >>46137057 isnt a bad use for it but it still requires you to deal other damage to the creature or drop a kill spell/wrath to get rid of it, which is 2 for 1ing yourself when there are other options. Admittedly the other options are in non red colors, but they are there. I expect the card to probably see fringe play and nothing more unless indestructible just becomes that big of an issue.
>>46137131
Yeah, I doubt it will be 4 of for most decks unless they suddenly reveal a 5/1 indestructible monster that everyone wants to run.
>>46137131
I mean >>46136841 is objectively true and blaze is a pretty old card.
>>46137112
Because burn is not allowed to have nice things.
>>46137248
>Because burn is not allowed to have nice things.
Isn't "X can't have nice things" on the Magic Spoilers bingo ?
>>46137248
specifically, burn is not allowed to have nice things because it promotes playing with fewer creatures. Creatures are the most important card type in magic and every deck should play lots of them.
>>46137327
Found the WotC employee.
>>46137327
How long until WotC has to change the name of the game to Creatures: the Summoning?
>>46136535
>sorin dies
Called it
>>46137398
>tfw in 2017 you will have to pay 5CMC to counter a target noncreature spell
>>46137483
That's....not Sorin.
>>46136788
Fireball honestly should be rare if we're considering it strictly for limited
>>46137484
Don't forget the 2UU counterspell with a small upside at rare.
>>46137873
You rang? 3UU but close
>>46137873
More than a small upside, but close enough.
>>46137131
What indestructible cards is this even dealing with though? The only one that comes to mind is fucking ulamog, and nobody's going to be fireballing ulamog.
>>46138005
Old Avacyn
>>46138005
Isn't the demon spawned from the new abbey land indestructible?
>>46138087
>shitty Brainstorm
>>46138174
Yet it's still likely to get banned in Modern.
>>46138142
It is.
>>46138005
>nobody's going to be fireballing ulamog
>>46138235
It's not a real card madness reminder text is wrong and symbol is messed up.
>>46138258
Fair enough, it was deleted before I got the opportunity to look closely at it.
>>46138142
Yes, but it has 7 toughness which is hardly more realistic than ulamog. New avacyn is temporary, mist guy has hexproof. The only semi-reasonable target for this I can find is creature mode flip gideon. Unless something new gets spoiled the indestructible rider seems like flavor text (exile is still nice though).
>>46138236
Who's going to be playing Odric tokens with westvale abbey as your alternative win con?
well this set is already turning out to be hot garbage
>>46138005
>>46138242
lol
>>46138310
Putting that card in a RG ramp deck is pretty easy enough to kill Ulamog when you're not talking about boring Standard
>>46138310
>creature mode flip gideon
>sorcery
Nah
>>46138323
I want to play it in something, I'm not quite sure what though the devil token generator cards look like they might be fun to use.
>>46138332
I like a fair amount of the things in it there is the issue of some rarity inflation though.
>>46138332
Still better than BfZ
>>46138355
>Inb4 Quicken
>>46137398
>It was probably a lousy spellin the first place.
Fucking dying here.
>>46138344
I mean you could but why would you? If you've got 11 mana lying around you can just cast your own ulamog and exile theirs. I'm talking about boring standard because it's the only format this card has a chance of seeing play.
>>46138355
When I said creature mode I meant the 2/1 kytheon side, so you could stuff the three mana activation. Perhaps semi-reasonable was a stretch.
>>46138496
I don't think I've ever used the 3 mana ability, but then again I've only played Kytheon in the Modern 1 drop white weenie deck. It could be more relevant in a slower format.
>>46138524
I've used it a few times in my RW Ally Equips. Is great to scare blockers and bait my opponents into blocking other creatures.
Some people actually targeted him with spells when I had 3 untaped lands.
>>46138236
Is it just me, or is this the most bullshit rare bombs for limited in ages?
It's not that hard to get to 5 creatures in the removal light enviroment of limited, especially with this land helping you generate creatures. Once it flips it seems virtually impossible to lose, with Lifelink helping you recover the life you lost being on the defensive.
>>46137484
>>46137873
>>46137924
Overwhelming Denial was just printed in OGW, which is strictly better than Last Word. Same goes with Scatter to te Winds, which is a better Cancel.
If anything counterspells are getting stronger. >>46137873 notwithstanding.
>>46138892
It's also a colorless land, so it will go in any deck.
>>46138496
It might also see play in monored EDH because outside of Chaos Warp or exiling absolutely everything, red is lacking in answers for indestructible dudes.
>>46137112
Fireball has never been an instant though
>>46138994
>Blaze has never been an instant though
FTFY
>>46139034
Its also never really been a great card either.
hey does anyone know if there's a way to alter a card to get a different but fairly realistic looking flavor text on there? i want to 1. make le ebin memes and 2. remove the stupid actual flavor text on anguished unmaking. but im not sure how I would do that. maybe just print out that part of the image on as high quality as I can with the different flavor text and just glue it on there?
>>46136535
>Burn from Within
>(X)(R) Sorcery
>Burn from Within deals X damage to target creature or player. If a creature is dealt damage this way, it loses indestructible until end of turn. If that creature would die this turn, exile it instead.
This shits over established lore so hard. I am actually mad.
>>46139423
>This shits over established lore so hard
How?
>>46139484
Darksteel, the original "indestructible" material, is so metaphysically powerful and so durable, that the act of reforging darksteel isn't actually reforging darksteel, it's locally rewriting the universe around the darksteel to persuade the universe that the piece of darksteel was that shape all along. It's -easier- to do than melt darksteel.
And this spell here clearly shows that, apparently, some internal heating (not even at XRR cost, just focusing a Blaze inside the target, more or less) trumps that.
Yes, I'm mad.
>>46136535
Another fireball for Mizzix to play with.
>>46139523
The flavor is that the reason things are indestructible is because they have an outer coating so hard that it cannot be penetrated. So how do you circumvent that? By killing them from the inside out, where presumably they are still squishy or vulnerable in some sense.
Spell costing should not have any bearing on flavor, stop being so fucking autistic
>>46139560
>>46139523
>wahh but muh darksteel is SO STORNG you cannot destroy it because in in in i-i-iinn the lore it says it said that you can't destroy it because it's too strong!!
>>46139523
Blaze is a trash spell.
A better version of it has always existed.
Giving XR sorcery deal X damage to target a good rider is fine, and this isn't better than stuff that straight up exiles in handling tough creatures.
>>46139613
>X-men and Magic are the same thing
but also kek at flaming juggernaut
>>46139523
The majority of Darksteel things can't be hurt by this. As they don't have P/T.
Heck, the actual Darksteel Colossus would require NINE mana to kill.
I'm going to say 'Nine mana worth of effect is enough to destroy darksteel'. Literal omniscience is a single mana more than that.
Also: Darksteel Collosus can already be destroyed by putting -1/-1 tokens on it with a Wither creature.
>>46139484
Because
>muh RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>46139651
It actually requires 12 mana
>>46139651
err.
Isn't Darksteel Colsossus a 11/11?
Better add 12 mana to that.
That's enough mana to kill an opponent you have been lovingly roughing up with heat from within.
>>46139523
>everything in every plane that's indestructible are darksteels
>>46139662
I gotta have Alien's acid blood completely shit over the mechanics of MKX, and can't accept that Alien in a fighting game is for the fun.
>>46139703
>>46139707
Right. Somehow I thought he was 8/8.
I should have checked that before I posted.
I stand by the point though. It's 2 mana more to destroy Darksteel with this than to obtain Omniscience.
>>46139728
Including those out-of-franchise characters in MKX is fucking retarded in the first place
>>46139766
That's your opinion.
I do like AvP in my fighting game as an idea, and including Horror Characters fits the general theme of MK's over the top violence.
I do like Leatherface as the Anti-Jason.
>>46138242
why do they keep making her face so ugly
>>46139758
Another thing to consider, what other methods does Red have at its disposal to deal with Indestructable creatures anyway?
>>46139823
It just seems like a stupid cash-grab promotional stunt
>Hey, you retards love shitty horror movies right? Well buy this game and you can smash them against each other!
>>46139824
What would you call pretty, anon? Not everyone can be japanese.
>>46139523
While I agree with your passion anon, something that needs to be considered is that Magic lore falls apart through card interactions.
You have Eldrazi Titans that can slip to death, or the various saviors of Mirrodin wearing enough Phyrexian equipment to make Yawgs blush. How about turning a Treefolk into more of a tree via Lignify, or Dismembering oozes, or Karn wielding Karn in a duel against Bolas wielding Bolas?
It's a pointless exercise to get angry over Magic effects affecting each other in ways that break the rules since even within the same block it's possible to do so.
>>46139848
It's as much a promotion stunt as Smash. KoF, and the VS series.
At least it's not fucking Yoda in SC4.
Yoda laser swording? Fuck no.
>>46139373
Just Top 8 at Game Day
![Zendikar-Resurgent_OGW_iPhone_Wallpaper[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SgWv9yC.jpg "Zendikar-Resurgent_OGW_iPhone_Wallpaper[1].jpg")
>>46139824
Not even close to the ugliest she's ever been.
>>46139898
oo that's gonna be hard though, i'm not actually good at magic
>>46139860
This is a lot better than most of the shit they make of her
>>46139899
Why do this to me
>>46139899
The fuck is with her arm?
>>46139911
Then pay someone who Top 8'd at Game Day
>>46139523
U wot mate
Darksteel has never been fully indestructible
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ferrovore
>>46139952
Her right arm has a signature tube leading from her shoulder to her bicep, for some reason. And her left arm just plain isn't drawn in that art.
>>46139899
At least Gideon looks human here
>>46140025
>And her left arm just plain isn't drawn in that art.
Then whose arm is this?
>>46140132
It's Jace's. He's a master of illusions. Optical illusions.
>>46140132
probably chandra's desu
Is there any chance that Black and Red will each get a card that investigates?
>>46140277
Black probably, red unlikely
>>46139952
She's leaning on Gideon
>>46140132
Wiz' probably asked for it to be added after the painting was finished even though the artist didn't intend the composition to allow it.
>>46140265
>Elbow is even with her ear
>Palm is turned almost upwards
Seriously, that can not be comfortable
>>46140460
She's a contortionist.
>>46136553
Implying Chandra would survive a bad case of being in the way of a millenia old vampire.
>>46140583
Maybe if she was mad enough she could. Her power level is literally determined by her anger.
>>46139883
true
>>46136535
>hosing indstructible for no reason
Guys didn't you make the same fucking mistake with Regeneration a decade ago? How long until we have 2B: "Target creature loses indestructible until end of turn. Destroy that creature." ?
>>46137588
It looks a lot like Sorin.
>>46140784
Literally how?
>>46140619
>No new un- set to reprint Hot Soup
Dag yo
>>46140775
Morbid Tragic Slip was doing this 5 years ago; where were your complaints then?
>>46136997
>pay 20 to take care of an 18/18 trample, haste, indestructible, life link, deathtouch
>countered
>just pumps voltron
>basically anything trumps this
>>46139834
What other methods does Red have to deal with enchantments? Not every color is supposed to be able to deal with everything.
To actually answer your question, Act of Treason it and hit your opponent with it.
>>46136841
>Fireball
>Blaze
Anons please
>>46137484
No, it will be 4U to counter target creature spell. U to counter target noncreature spell, draw 2 cards and add 3 to your mana pool so noone plays noncreatures ever again :^)
Direct player damage spells are boring and flavorless, imparting no feeling of mastery in their use. They're simple numerical damage.
>>46140814
MaRo admitted it was on accident; they preferred the symmetry of having the -1/-1 turn into a bigger -x/-x effect rather than turning into a destroy effect, and Innistrad had that whole 13 subtheme going on. I understand the reason why it happened even though I don't care for the outcome.
Buuuuut Black/White could already exile creatures and Unmake can technically be a mono-black exile, which gets around indestructible. Tragic Slip didn't really add anything new, it's just a new way of doing it. This card specifically gets rid of Indestructible, something Red has never had access to as far as I know, because reasons.
>>46140460
She could easily just be gesturing really quickly
>>46140775
>Guys didn't you make the same fucking mistake with Regeneration a decade ago?
this is a rare :^)
your NWO masters know how to maintain control of the game
>>46141246
what
NWO is about reducing complexity levels at common. What does that have to do with this? What point are you even trying to fucking make with this nonsense? I demand you explain yourself in coherent manner.
>>46136535
didnt we have a fireball in scars that did this, but also shuffled into the library?
>>46138236
Im going to foce this with scion tokens so hard
>>46141292
>I demand you explain yourself in coherent manner.
"Ignores regeneration" is a sufficiently complex mechanic that it will not occur at common and probably not at uncommon either. Cards that hose indestructible will not run rampant anywhere near as thoroughly as cards that hose regeneration did, and so they will not repeat the mistakes they made with regeneration.
fucking idiot
>>46140798
Literally long silver/white hair.
Literally black coat and clothing, could be an alternate outfit he has.
Literally a vampire.
Could be that Nahiri or one of the angels kills him. I'm not saying it's him for sure, but you can't act like it doesn't resemble him.
>>46138236
This can only be run in black edh decks right? Like mono white can't run it because the flip sides black correct?
>>46141368
Rarity has nothing to do with how many of a given card there are in the meta. The Eldrazi cards that are currently eating Standard and Modern alive are rares. Restricting an effect to rare doesn't affect its ability hose something. NWO has nothing to do with how many cards there will be with a certain ability, hoser or otherwise. NWO has nothing to do with certain effects running rampant. NWO has nothing to do with avoiding repeating mistakes. None of your argument makes any sense. You are clearly butthurt about something and you are taking it out on innocent bystanders.
>>46141512
Nobody cares about your format. Ask in your containment thread, not us.
>>46141473
It doesn't look a fucking thing like sorin. no old man face, no armor, sorin has never been depicted wearing one of those stupid popped collar cape things.
It's a very generic innistrad vampire getting roasted.
>>46141176
what couldn't have been gained by putting her arm in a more natural/lower position? Or not having it drawn at all?
>>46141512
Yeah.
The other side of the card has the funny little color indicator that says "hey I'm black" so it only works in decks that use black
>>46141662
Don't be a cuck anon, he was asking a simple question
>>46141512
Same consequences as Elbrus//Withengar
One side has a color identity of black so the whole card has it
>>46141662
This is the spoiler thread, every format is welcomed
>>46141722
>>46141727
This thread is about new shit in general, not about how it interacts with an extremely specific set of rules for one houseruled format. It was also a question that has been asked FOR ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DFC WE'VE GOTTEN and the answer to the question hasn't changed since DFC's were introduced five years ago.
>>46141798
Maybe you need to step back for a bit, take a cold shower or something. You're getting really hot-headed over absolutely nothing.
This is a thread about discussing new cards, which will have an impact with the different formats people play. If they cannot discuss the different formats, but just the new releases alone like you propose, then all that will happen is the threads will simply fade away.
To grade a card's usefulness would require evaluating it in the different formats. If you simply graded it on it's own with no environment to evaluate it in, people would call it shit and that's that.
Hey, how about we circlejerk with ideas for cards that *should* be in the upcoming spoilers, or are *very likely* to be in the upcoming spoilers.
Brownie points for being real fukken close.
I'll start.
Silver Spear - (2)
Artifact
(1) Equip (only as sorcery) to target non-werewolf, non-zombie, non-vampire creature you control.
Equipped creature gets +2/+1
>>46141798
What about the new Avacyn? Can I run her in monowhite EDH?
>>46141881
This point stands
>It was also a question that has been asked FOR ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DFC WE'VE GOTTEN and the answer to the question hasn't changed since DFC's were introduced five years ago.
Seriously people just go google the rules for commander color identity. They are very simple and specific.
>>46141473
I just poured through the reddit comments and only one comment mentioned that it could be Sorin but it was quickly quelled with "he wears different armor it's just some vampire lord"
HOW MANY FUCKING VAMPIRES HAVE THE EXACT SAME HAIR AND FACE
My honest prediction is that it's depicting Nahiri killing Edgar Markov, who is still alive in the lore.
>>46141935I know, I just noticed in the first line I ended up doing a dank rhyme and wanted to keep on with it for shits and gigglesYou really do seem like you need a cold shower though.
>>46136535
Is that his molten heart being pulled out of his chest?
>>46141914
No, unfortunately she came down with a bad case she got in the way of a millennia old color pie shift. White characters are incapable of expressing anger without changing to Red. Nahiri had the same problem. Ajani too, iirc.
>>46141891
/ccg/
>>46141971
You rhymed thing with thing and then took a picture of your dog in a Magic spoilers thread
I
what?
>>46142037
I'm not very good at rhyming to be quite honest with youAlso that's not my dog
>>46138344
If you have enough mana to kill ulamog with that spell, wouldn't it just be better to hit them for 10 in the face? I mean if they cast ulamog and are still at 20 life, the game is already over
>>46141292
I'm going to attempt to save you a lot of confusion and frustration down the line, and just let you know that you can safely ignore basically anyone who mentions NWO in their post, as there's a roughly 99% chance they have no clue what they're actually complaining about.
>>46141881
>If you simply graded it on it's own with no environment to evaluate it in, people would call it shit and that's that.
But that's how people treat basically every card that gets spoiled anyway.
Finally, a great two drop that isn't Bloodghast for my casual vampire aggro list. I was hoping for a 2cmc Phyrexian Rager and this has the potential to be way better.
>>46136895
>It can't be regenerated
This is hardly a new thing.
>>46141682
>>46141473
>>46137483
It's actually Falkenrath Noble.
>>46138310
>Until end of turn, Gideon, Battle-Forged becomes a 4/4 Human Soldier creature with indestructible that's still a planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn.
>Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn.
Indestructible isn't your main issue here.
>>46139523
Darksteel isn't even in this block. If you combine the flavor of cards from a variety of sets then of course you can ruin the flavor of the game, duh. Nicol Bolas can wield Nicol Bolas as a weapon and you're upset that fire can burn an unburnable thing?
>>46144530
>Falkenrath Noble is kill
No.
>>46141914
Sure... as the commander.
>>46141110
Yeah, I'm sure this will see loads of play in red. Letting them do something they couldn't do before in the narrow catalogue of abilities is definitely broken.
>>46141881
>You're getting really hot-headed over absolutely nothing.
Was getting baited part of your plan?
>>46141935
What is this "google" you speak of? Is there a more efficient way to find out things than asking a bunch of anonymous strangers known to spread false information?
Is there still hope for a new Thalia?
>>46145641
There's obviously going to be a new Thalia.
Whether or not it will be in this set is up for debate.
>>46139834
warp world, get gud scrub
>>46145147
It's also fairly easy to reconcile the flavor in this case anyway. Presumably darksteel creatures aren't entirely made of darksteel, but rather are comprised of internal parts made of easier to work with materials encased in a darksteel shell. In this case, the spell isn't actually doing shit to the darksteel, it's melting and destroying the internal components that make the creature any more than an inert lump of indestructable material.
Now, if this could also destroy indestructable artifacts on top of creatures, sure that would be silly. But that's not what the card does, and that Anon is just being autistic.
>>46145748
I'd argue that that's not even an issue. If enough colorless mana can rewrite the universe to form darksteel why can't enough red mana rewrite the universe to unmake darksteel? Reality warping isn't a process known for its directionality.
>>46145875
Red can totally melt down all artifacts.
Into the Core it goes!
>>46140583
They killed eldrazi titans, killing Sorin would be like a walk in the park.
>>46145662
Thalia likely an Eldritch Moon legendary.
>>46139613
Since when was Juggernaut a humanoid SCP-682?
>>46145875
Red mana can't melt darksteel beams! Mirrodin was an inside job!
>>46146126
>People are still this butthurt about Ancient Grudge
It's been nearly five years, no need to be this upset for this long-
Wait.
>>46141891
>non-werewolf, non-zombie, non-vampire
>not simply "human"
that's how it has been done in Innistrad 1, there's absolutely zero reason to change it.
>>46146126
>those font size
does this card flips into a yugioh card?
>>46146803
I beg to differ
Legendary Werewolf in this set or the next set?
>>46146910
Neither, werewolves are close to extinction.
>>46146910
They knew people wanted a Werewolf legend, but then they thought, how much cooler would a planeswalker be?! The fans will love this instead.
>>46146888
Touché.
But it has been done this way for all human-specific equipment. Well, not exactly. They could be equipped to anything and gave bigger bonuses to humans.
Still, there's no reason to change that.
>>46146959
We can have both, dang it.
>>46146910
Sparkly vampire in this set or the next set?
>>46146960
What you're talking about isn't really a precedent for design, it's a question of what the intended goal of the design is. If the goal of the card is to give players a reward for drafting human tribal decks, then sure your way makes the most sense. However, if the intention is to make a flavorful top-down design of a weapon that's made of a material that has special anti-monster properties, then it makes more sense to specify which creature types can't use the weapon.
>>46139523
It's not heating the thing internally in it's physical form. It's burning away at the "Soul" of the object
>>46147100
People rage when >no flavor, people rage when >flavor. You just can't win.
>>46139883
>Swords to Plowshares convinces the Blightsteel Colossus to become a simple farmer
>>46147158
The problem is that people tend to want every card in every set to be designed according to their preferences, while WotC out of necessity designs different cards for different purposes. Lucky for them that the vast majority of people who rage about cards on the internet either forget the things that made them rage once they get the cards and can play with them, or were never actually going to buy cards in the first place and just want to bitch.
>>46147066
You called?
>>46146930
Which of course precludes a creature from being legendary.
>>46141662
>No one cares about Commander
>Wizards publishes official Commander product
Ok
>>46141722
The only issue with this is it isn't very colorblind friendly
>>46147746
You forgot how its their biggest selling product (outside of new sets obviously) and has plenty of good eternal stuff, both new and old. Even non-commander players watch spoilers to see what new things are being printed. Without commander, there might not be a Scooze or TNN.
>>46146112
>legendary Thalia
I can feel my EDH boner growing
>>46148839
...Thalia is already legendary
>>46138942
Last word wins a counter war, overwhelming denial does not necessarily
>>46148876
she's not that great for edh tho.
>>46149023
Can you explain to me what the difference is, I don't see it.
>>46149081
Last word "Can't be countered".
Denial can
>>46149106
Um... what? They both have the exact same text, Overwhelming Denial just has the ability to be cast for UU sometimes.
>>46149142
I am... so retarded. Like, lack of basic reading comprehension retarded. You're right, ignore what I said hahaha
>>46149142
>>46149081
The difference is that one is old and the other is new, therefore the old card has to be better.
>>46149023
>Last word wins a counter war
there's still redirection, exiling spells and turn ends
>>46149211
But what if you have a foil Overwhelming Denial and a non-foil Last Word?
>>46149298
Did you mean the opposite of that? Non-foil cards are stronger than foil, and yes if you cast a non-foil last word in response to a foil overwhelming denial it will reduce your opponent's life to 0.
>>46146971
But you can't, and furthermore you deserve neither
>>46146588
If there's anything a fa/tg/uy hates, it's an over explained flavor text - especially the flavor text of Ancient Grudge, a prime example of over explained flavor text.
>>46149056
There's no guarantee a new one will be any better. Unless there's some storyline reason for her to be drastically different, she'll most likely just be another hatebear.
>>46149370
How can someone be so wrong.
It's like you don't allow people to play Super Secret Tech in EDH or something.
>>46149572
We deserve a Werewolf legendary flip card for Commander.
Thalia will probably be a 1WW 3/2 with first strike and have an enemy creature debuff on tap.
I want more UW stuff to be spoiled, we got a shitload of vampires already!
>>46138892
In limited, I've found that I rarely have 5+ creatures out at any one time; usually 3-4. I would not sacrifice my board position for one (admittedly awesome) creature, especially if I were at a low life total.
>>46150398
I'm actually really curious how much multicolor support there's going to be in this set. We've already got 5 mythics and a rare,and presumably there'll include the typical cycle of uncommons.
Seems rather heavy, given that there was a grand total of 4 multicolored cards in the original set (5 if you count garruk's flip side), all of which were at mythic.
>>46150509
err... all but one of which were mythic. Forgot Evil Twin was a rare.
>>46150209
No, we deserve a nonflipping legendary werewolf that either keeps werewolves transformed or gives you some hugeass benefit for letting them flip back and forth.
And there was a werewolf last time around that never changed out of werewolf form, too, one of the three major packleaders, forget which one it was.
>>46150624
The only Werewolf card in the game that doesn't transform is from Judgement.
>>46150398
Actually the color we've seen the least from is Green, then White.
We need way more of those two before UB stuff.
>>46141798
Wow you are a massive MASSIVE faggot.
>>46150624
>Silverfur Puppyboi (3)(R)(G)
>Legendary Creature – Werewolf
>Haste, Menace
>Whenever a Werewolf creature enters the battlefield, exile it. Then return it to the battlefield transformed. It gains Menace and Haste until the end of turn.
>5/3
Like this?
>>46151055
no reason to exile them, they aren't planeswalkers.
>>46151055
I like it! I was thinking the legendary werewolf to have like a Moonmist-like effect somehow, but I do like your idea.
>>46150624
Trovolar I believe was his name
>>46150731
There's some prior to that from waaay back when as well, but again, they've already got in the lore a werewolf that doesn't transform. Having him be the legendary solves the problem they had first time around that kept them from having one back then (multiple copies that are on different sides and the legend rule, then one or the other transforming, costing you one of them)
>>46151235
I always figured the solution to this problem was simple just have it say on the front and back that it's name is also X
Like for example
Human Ballcrusher // Werewolf Badass
On the front "this creatures name is also Werewolf Badass"
Marit anyone?
>>46151321
>>46151311
first time someone has beaten me to it. It does look a bit like Marit as well in my opinion.
>>46151072
In fact, exiling them and returning them transformed causes any werewolf you play to immediately go into an infinite transformation loop.
>>46151311
She is still on Dominaria anon
>>46151311
People actually want marit lage? It would only be underwhelming seeing as it's not going to be a 20/20 flying indestructible you can cheat out on turn 3.
>>46151311
>mono blue in standard
Yesssss
>>46151311
>>46151321
W E W
E
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>>46146350
Ever since anything in his way got a bad case of being in the way of a millenia-old-armor-worn-by-some-guy.
>>46151417
Whatever it is, it'll be better than fucking Emrakul.
>>46151311
>>46151321
just saw this spoiled. what could it be
so Engulf the Shore loots Marit Lage-y, but Paranoid Parish-Blade is clearly Emrakul.
Anyone else starting to wonder if Wizards just threw a ton of red herrings in the set's art so they could build the whole "investigate clues, go slowly mad" theme into the spoiler season?
>>46151665
I'm pretty certain that's what they are doing at this point. I like it.
>>46151632
I honestly would rather see emrakul seeing as the end result is only going to be whatever it is getting blasted by another friendship laser by the wotc superfriends.
I'd rather not see marit late be the recipient.
>>46151665
>it turns out it actually meant nothing
>priests summoning demons and sea monsters happen on a daily bases
>shit just mutates and grows extra limbs and eyes
>weird stuff grows and objects come to life is a normal thing
>the streets are filled with people randomly becoming insane
>"Oh yeah, these things just happen on Innistrad, Jace. Don't overthink it."
>>46151746
>>46151746
you forgot
>whers muh marit
>whers muh emmy
>RAGEEEEEEEEE
>RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>MAGIC IS DEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>46151311
>>46151321
Marit Lage is black not blue, this is just ye old kraken
>>46151790
>Marit lage is black
>This has some bearing on a bounce spell based on Islands.
What if nahiri is just dragging in every plane destroying monstrosity she has ever heard of to innistrad any way she knows how, no kill like overkill as they say.
>>46151790
Yet she also has a blue spell and a red spell.
>>46151912
>innistrad is the all villain beatdown we've been waiting for
>>46151311
Mono U timewarp just got another very good option.
>>46151960
Meanwhile, on New Phyrexia, everybody is bitter because they didn't get invited, and start furiously researching how to crash the party
>>46145875
>>46145921
More importantly, Shattering Blow clearly shows that kinda big buff dude can just break Darksteel with a regular ball and chain anyway it's fine
>>46150403
That's why haste and lifelink are so relevant on it.
>>46144206
I'd play that in a discard-control deck.
>>46146959
would have been cooler if they changed the werewolf mechanic to actually make them playable
>>46152193
At the very least they should have designed more cards like Hunstman that do important things via the action of flipping, instead of all this garbage that can be summed up as: "Overpriced trash on the face side, respectable creature on the reverse side. Good luck keeping it on the reverse side."
>>46151912
>Emrakul
>Marit Lage
>Bolas
>Ob Nixilis
>a few other monstrosities and villains no one had heard of before
>Nissa
It's entirely possible the Superfriends wouldn't be able to handle Marit Lage.
>>46152267
Nissa figures out there is something trapped in the moon and has the genius idea to let it out because reasons.
>>46152278
That's bullshit, but I believe it
>>46152302
But that's what Nahiri is doing.
