Talk about Go, professional Go games, /tg/'s Go tournaments, and how to git gud at Go. Newbies welcome; most of us suck anyway.
Last thread: >>46030022
Basic links:
Information, how to play: http://senseis.xmp.net/?BeginnerStudySection
/tg/'s favorite server: https://online-go.com/
/tg/ group: https://online-go.com/group/968
Best places to go after reading the beginner study section:
Problems:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tsumego
http://goproblems.com/
Youtubers which can help you get gud;
https://www.youtube.com/user/nicksibicky
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGAASXnrt4FtYfFZ608PqHA
We Have To Go Deeper;
Gogameguru.com for all things, including random Go related clickbait and commentated professional games
gobase.org for more games to study
arise
>>46127443
wew
We really need a slower board. This general is too ded to survive here.
>>46128913
You could use /trash/, hah
I did not know there was a go thread on /tg/. Always thought of starting one but never thought it would stick. Guess these games with AlphaGo and Lee Sedol made it work for at leasat a bit.
I'll be back when I'm less sleepy.
Why is redmond so suave?
>>46129167
we're already there
Hope
Lives
Again
You should be able to solve this.
Black to play. Does the ladder work or not?
http://gokifu.com/f/2irh.sgf
>starting playing a few days ago
>finally got to the point where I can beat most 25-23ks on online go as long as I manage not to do anything really retarded
>end up playing against multiple people who refuse to resign even though I've captured 10+ stones on a 9x9 board and control everything
Is it salt? Even a kid would realize it was over at that point.
>>46134099
No, they just don't know what's going on.
>>46134099
Don't overestimate kids.
>>46134099
Some people at 25k don't know what eyes are, or how scoring works. Since they just know how to put down stones, that's all they do.
>>46126326
>http://senseis.xmp.net/?BeginnerStudySection
>Read this
>Play a game against AI
>Lose miserably even with a 9 stone handicap
What am I doing wrong, /tg/?
>>46136628
Start by playing on 9x9 board.
>>46126326
Damn good job on the OP! Well done!
>>46131307
Being on TV for decades + looking young?
>>46133727
The ladder works for black.
>>46136348
This guy is correct but not in all situations.
>>46136628
Play against other people on the Internet.
Try to play on 19x19 against other people of roughly the same rank as you, or if you don't understand 19x19 whatsoever then try playing on 13x13. Don't expect to win most of your games if you started a week ago is my advice.
bump
Just won a game of 13x13 against two handicap stones; it was interesting trying to make a group live and thrive outside "my corner".
>>46138095
Good job. You're our only hope against AlphaGo.
Teach us your favorite proverbs.
>>46136658
>>46136743
I'll try 9x9 next. Is there anything about very basic strategy for a complete noob? The next step after learning the rules?
I have ADHD and poor executive function as a result. Will Go or any game that requires me to think many steps ahead be impossible for me to become proficient at.
>>46139618
It would be hard, but it would definitely be beneficial to you if you do manage to overcome the difficulty.
>>46139443
His best book is still Get Strong at the 1-1 Opening imo.
>>46139618
Hard, probably. I'd say learn about shape - the shape of your collections of stones and what's sometimes considered "good shape" and "bad shape" - how effective these collections are. There's a pdf of a book called Shape Up! that I'm reading at the moment that I think that one can find on Sensei's Library.
Why do all websites about Go look like as if they were made in the 1990s?
>>46140072
Because they probably were.
>>46139722
>>46140011
Thanks I'll check out that book.
>>46141660
http://senseis.xmp.net/?ShapeUp
http://cdn.online-go.com/shape_up.pdf
I'm trying to read it at the moment. I thought that if you know what is _generally_ considered to be "good shape" and "bad shape" then you'll know what shape to try to make and there'll be less reading needed.
I respect you for giving go a go.
>Beginner beginner exercise: can black's group in pic related live? What happens if white plays the circled points? What if black plays the circled points?
>>46140072
It's an ancient game dude, chinese historians even reckon it dates as far back as the 70's.
>>46142870
>Go was invented to be the basis of The 1971 Honinbo Tournament and after that sold well it took off from there
Makes sense.
>Your move, brah
>>46139443
"Never wrestle with a pig - you'll both get dirty, and the pig will love it"
>>46143662
>Here's your go board bro
>tfw finally beat GNUgo on 9x9 with no handicap
>>46133727
Here is the solution btw.
>>46145918
>ladder problems
noooobody cares
All these things do is get between you and problems that actually matter/are applicable to games
>"I am growing stronger."
>>46146058
>implying ladder reading isn't one of the most useful skills one can learn
>>46146076
>"This isn't over, AlphaGo"
>>46146076
>tfw fan hui becomes the next god of go after overcoming alphago
>Lee: "Lemme challenge AlphaGo again. This time... this time I'll surely..."
>Fan: "You have to go through me first, punk. Prepare your anus."
>>46146601
lol
The 2026 Meijin Tournament: The Rise of Fan Hui
Coming soon from GoGameGuru.
>>46148153
You're that guy who plays the first three moves in a losing ladder before realising, aren't you?
I guess after 2000 years there isn't much left to talk about
>>46150523
Well, go is perhaps the ultimate fluffless game.
We have about four dan-level players in the /tg/ group, though
>>46150523
>>46150934
And we have gathered six people into a tournament autostarting with eight people, so perhaps it's time to schedule an actual time for the eighth person to join.
bump
We should figure out a way to encourage new players to play more before their enthusiasm goes away.
>>46154474
Is there such a thing? I started a few days ago and I'm already losing my passion. I think I'm at the wall where just reacting to my opponent won't let me win anymore, same reason I gave up chess.
is there any website where they stream pro games live?
>>46155507
Not really, I guess there's http://www.tvbaduk.com/
>>46154474
As with everything on TG, you need a few committed folks to keep things going. Regularly scheduled GO games once a week for people to watch would be nice for example. Maybe edit a 1d4chan page. Someone write some fluff.
I'm going to code my own neural network Go program. Wish me luck.
>>46155507
Koreans have the BadukTV channel as the other guy mentioned. It has had some periods when there was a free stream to watch, but as far as I know, there's no free stream right now. The Chinese used to have another TV channel with a free stream, but it seems they have stopped broadcasting. The Japanese have a televised tournament called NHK Cup, and the games are being regularly uploaded here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYeX5wvCrQ8jQyOFz9Fzd1A
This channel uploads some Korean professional games:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgiMY3RRb7rcD3aq_WH_NfA
The best Go server to follow pro games live is WBaduk. They broadcast games from big tournaments on daily basis.
>>46154542
because you are playing online
play with real people to have fun and the passion will came back
>>46155818
>The Japanese have a televised tournament called NHK Cup, and the games are being regularly uploaded here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYeX5wvCrQ8jQyOFz9Fzd1A
There are even games with Michael Redmond as commentator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KmP5yIk9VM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5LxUiaeGFk
>>46156346
any with english commentary?
>>46156417
sorry for the trip
>>46156417
only japanese
Here is an interesting site I found. It lets you upload your games as sgf files on the server and then other people can post comments/variations to the moves. If anyone is interested in getting their game reviewed, they should upload it and post the link in this thread.
>>46156521
https://gokibitz.com/
forgot the link, naturally
I was thinking, 9x9 is the smallest board which people,do serious tournaments on.
So if / when 9x9 go is solved, do you think the professionals will memorise the solution and professional 9x9 go will finish?
>>46156588
>do you think the professionals will memorise the solution and professional 9x9 go will finish?
It doesn't work like that. You would need to memorize all variations as well.
>>46156614
I know, but theoretically all that is needed is to memorise the correct response to every variation, starting with the most likely variations.
If you're a professional with years of time for go learning then would it be possible?
>>46156628
>would it be possible?
No.
>>46156588
>9x9 tournaments
is this really a thing?
>>46156665
No, not really. Professional players might do some exhibition games sometimes, but they're not really serious.
>I missed the /tg/ group tournament this morning because daylight savings moved the clock from the last time I checked the start time
Fucking daylight savings.
>>46156545
Lets try this out. I was playing black. Opponent was 5k, though he felt much weaker and I ended up decimating him. Point out some moves that white could have used to punish my sloppy play.
https://gokibitz.com/kifu/EJw9LgYTe
>>46159208
>>46157057
I started the tournament, waited days for it to start , suggested the last person joining at a scheduled time and still missed it.
Reminder that AlphaGo has so far only beaten the asians in Go. The white race has higher potential when it comes to board games, and we would sweep the floor with the gooks if we put our hearts into it.
>>46163618
Not saying that's untrue, but [citation needed]
Kickstarter for M. Radmond to fight AlphaGo
stretch goal: touhou music for the whole match
>>46164419
Who comments?
Lee Sedol and Chris?
>>46164726
>"Nice watch, Lee!"
>>46164726
>>46164823
The need for a translator for the small talk would add so beautifully to uncomfortable bantz
>>46164899
I wouldn't even give them a translator. Chris can use sign language and point at the board.
>>46164950
Or talk louder and slower
>"What's the count, Lee?"
>"당신이, 크리스 얘기를 중지하지 않으면 난 빌어 먹을 오늘 밤에 전기 팬을 떠날 것이다!"
>"Mmhhmmm..."
Just a thought if we have trouble staying alive, I just checked and saw an OP dating all the way back to 2014 on 420's /tg/. If a thread was on there, there would really be no worry of it dying in the foreseeable future.
>>46166841
Then we would have problems getting any posts.
>>46167239
Well, maybe so yeah. But if this general resigns, that's a fallback at least.
Post famous people who are also Go players.
>>46168463
>>46157078
OGS has a review system so I just used that. I think this should work? Link: https://online-go.com/review/124947
It's nothing much, since I never made it past 2k KGS. But there may be some ideas there for a 7k.
It's a shame OGS doesn't have timestamps on its moves. At least, I don't think it indicates time.
Looking at game records, I can't tell if moves are mistakes from time pressure or what.
Who is the best Go player right now?
>>46174002
http://www.goratings.org/
>>46174002
this guy >>46168581
>>46174194
Why doesn't AlphaGo have a British flag?
>>46174405
Show us the birth certificate first.
>>46157078
I'm lower rank than you are so I wouldn't really know, but is white R13 a normal move? It seems weird.
>>46175791
No, it's shit move.
bump
I've been looking at some commented professional go games on gogameguru
>>46176088
annnnnnnd? What did you think? Did you screenshot any interesting board states that could initiate a thoughtful discussion?
>>46176377
It was more of an inane bump comment; but since you ask, one game that I was looking that was
https://gogameguru.com/go-commentary-takemiya-masaki-vs-cho-chikun-5th-igo-masters-cup/
from 2015.
how much do the top pros usually beat each other by in a bo5?
is it usually a shutout like alphago v lee sedol?
>>46177261
Cosmic Go loses again!
>>46177261
>50 moves in
>>46177341
Takemiya won the Honinbo tournament four times in a row. Cho Chikun is just one of the greatest players of the 20th Century and puts up good competition.
>>46177279
alphago v lee wasn't a shutout.
>>46177391
it was 3-0
when he played the other two matches he had already lost
>>46177279
Looking at the japanese Honinbo tournament (bo7), from 1950 the results have been:
4-0 10 times
4-1 18 times
4-2 22 times
4-3 15 times
so I don't believe a 3-0 result would be enormously unusual
>>46177388
Takemiya lost the Honinbo title to Cho, who proceeded to win it for 10 consecutive years.
http://eidogo.com/
>>46177592
That doesn't mean that cosmic go is a poor style, just that Cho Chikun is an exceptional player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlAPcBgfkIM
10 seconds into the interview and she already gets wet. what is this man's secret???
>>46178350
MR is 9 dan
9 is pronounced like the German word nein, which means no, and women always want what they can't have.
>>46178350
>implying a manlet like him could ever get pussy
>>46178568
He's married and has kids, you know.
>>46179133
He probably got cucked.
>>46179149
>implying an obedient asian wife would be into cuckolding
>>46179149
The Garlock strikes again
>what's the count michael huh? how many times is this now huh? go get us some water boy, and keep the camera running
>>46179210
Japanese love NTR.
>Now, Go champ Lee Se Dol has offers that reportedly reached 400 million won or about $344,300 for a one-year deal when he rose to international popularity following his match against AlphaGo. He could make around 2 billion won or $1.72 million from ad endorsements, an advertiser said. Lee's manager, his older brother Lee Sang Hoon said: "We have been getting phone calls from advertisers all day."
Take that you stupid machine.
>>46179257
His wifes chinese
>>46146771
kek
>>46156090
>tfw no one I know plays go
>>46126326
I've been watching pic related on youtube as a manner to learn Go. So far I've learned about several moves and the most important skills a go player should have, as well as the proper etiquette. However I'm curious, has any real life pro-player mastered the "Hand of God"?
>>46182884
Was the moral of this story to ditch your friends as soon as they're no longer convenient to you?
>>46182884
The number one lesson I learned from Hikaru no Go was that if you have a sweat drop on your face, you will lose the game.
>>46182884
Isn't Honinbo Shusakus move in ear-reddening game considered to be a devine move?
Hey my Go board just arrived from Asia, playing on it was a million times better than playing on a computer screen. I wish I had someone to play against locally though, I didn't have much fun the last time I went to my local Go club.
>>46186081
if you live in toronto i'll play with you
im really bad though
>>46186081
Phoenix, Arizona. Pretty much opposite sides of North America.
>>46186389
Meant to reply to
>>46186265
>>46186389
I hope you voted for Trump.
>>46186843
I voted for Sanders, but I carpooled a couple of friends that were registered republican to vote for Trump.
>>46187211
Why waste your vote?
>>46187239
>>46187211
>>46186843
fuck off back to /pol/
>>46182884
>However I'm curious, has any real life pro-player mastered the "Hand of God"?
no.
Someone tell Iyama to stop bullying the Japanese pros.
>>46190812
niconico is streaming the 2nd Judan game if anyone is interested
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv253165388
>>46177261
>white make a huge block in the center
>carves out long dragons on the left and right, and a small one on the bottom
The way the group on the right crawls along the edge is neat. Makes it a really weird looking game.
>>46177261
>Look at board
>Think it looks close but black has it
>Read score, white wons
>Look at board again, still kinda think it looks better for black
>Look at score again
>Realize white won by less than Komi
I guess this means I am getting KINDA better at scoring,or I just got lucky in a random pick on an about even board-state
http://senseis.xmp.net/?IgoMastersCup
A Japanese tournament for active players over 50 who have previously held titles. First Prize is Yen 5,000,000 (Yen 1,500,000 for the runner up). The first edition held in 2011 (13 players, winners of major titles, compete) was won by Cho Chikun. From the 2nd edition, 16 senior players compete.
>>46175526
Michael Redmond has a Japanese flag. I doubt his birth certificate says Japan.
>>46181337
>$1.72 million
Gee, Google could sure use that kinda money.
>>46200686
The flag has to do with where you got your Go black belt. Michael got his in Japan before they had a program in the US.
>>46200941
>>46200686
As well as getting awarded 9p in Japan, he's registered with the Nihon Kiin.
