What does tg think of half-dragons?
>>46107048
Dragonkin, Dragonborn, Humanoid Dragons, Dragonpeople, etc. anything turning a dragon into a playable character pisses me off(as a DM).
Dragons are huge events in a campaign, not a guy walking around, imo.
>>46107250
Gonna have to second this.
>>46107048
People who play them are tryhards and shitty roleplayers.
They're hot though.
More interesting in concept than in practice. Also I can't put in an army of half dragons without feeling like I've gone magical realm.
>>46107250
I'll agree half dragons should be rare as fuck, what do you feel about 4e dragonborn? None at all, rare NPC, justifiable PC race? They're sort of draconic tieflings in a way.
>>46107048
I'm okay with half-dragons as a super rare thing (more common than proper dragons) and dragonborn as the survivors of a war where they were mass produced magically, turned to have their own cultures and ideals.
But other than that nah, dragonblooded sorcerers are enough.
Dragons should not be able to breed with non-dragons.
I'm okay with half-dragons, but I hate dragonborn.
how do half dragons even happen like wouldnt a dragon tear a poor human female in half
unless a dude banged a female dragon...
I'm using Dragonborn as lizardfolk experimented on a long-ass time ago for use in war. It's working pretty well.
>>46107503
Polymorph. Magic insemination. Cloaca grinding. Small dragon. Stretching.
I hate half-dragons, yet I like dragonborn. The 4e lore sold me on them. Also hated tieflings until then too.
My rule of thumb is, if you have to describe anything as rare, then just don't include it as a possible PC race. That ends up attracting mary-sues, people looking for min-maxing opportunities, or people who can't make an interesting character beyond race.
If you have to include what are basically dragon-men, find a way to make them fairly common. And it can be pretty hard to to that, considering that they aren't some fantasy staple like dwarves or elves. Even tieflings are supposed to be around in the shadows. Dragonborn are either from some vague other place that doesn't give players much context, or are made as evil armies for dragons, which wouldn't be good for a PC.
>>46107048
Too many varieties.
Choose ONE for your setting. And discard all the others. And make sure it's the one that goes best with your setting's flavor and dragons.
>>46107048
I enjoy them tremendously.
>>46107576
>Dragonborn are either from some vague other place that doesn't give players much context, or are made as evil armies for dragons, which wouldn't be good for a PC.
Or, Arkhosia
Oh look, an excuse to post sexy dragon girls
But anyway, no one in my group ever wants to play a dragonborn in any D&D edition. Not even the group's dragonophile, and she'll always try to play/ride/become/stalk dragons whenever possible. Something about Dragonborn just seems really lame to us. The only time we ever had one is back in 3rd when it was a template and the guy just really wanted to toss aside his humanity and get a breath weapon.
>>46107638
Yay!
When I play I tend to play the dragon-like races or something dragon related because, not gonna lie, dragons are cool as fuck. But at the same time I understand the power that can come with this.
As a DM I want my players to play very grounded characters that don't get ultra powered until the higher levels, it only makes sense. So when I roll up a dragonborn or a dragon disciple I take those ideals with me. Sometimes I even nerf myself to keep at the same pace with the rest of the characters and the campaign.
Almost any character concept can work if the player isn't a fuck about it and has an understanding with their DM about what they want in their campaign. I mean if a dragon aint gonna work for the setting then tough shit, but my group rarely strays from DnD.
Now if I were DMing and a player were to want to play a straight up half-dragon and not just a dragon-like race that's in the handbooks or some other weird concept, I'd really need to sit with them and go over how the fuck it would work. It's my philosophy that the players can have whatever they want, they just gotta make it work and work for it, and sometimes they get it, and sometimes not.
Dragongirls somehow manage to be the least attractive "girl with cheap halloween accessories" monstergirl
>>46107613
Good thing about them is they're common enough they're just lizardmen with a breath attack. No longer innately special.
>>46107537
What, all at the same time?
Does 5e have half dragon stats yet? As a monster, not as a PC.
>>46107930
As many as it takes
>>46107935
Its in the MM
>>46107935
It's in the MM, bro.
>>46107048
I've never liked "half dragons". I've never allowed them in a game. I disliked them in Dragonlance.
Dragons are epic monsters. When they take human form, it's monstrous in and of itself, but I have never accepted there is a race of half-dragons. Not cool.
>>46107048
When they appear in my games they're usually a magically created servitor race for true dragons.
>>46107048
I'm a fan of them, though I've never liked the rules that go along with them. Dragonborn work out okay from a rules perspective, but I don't like the fluff and they feel a bit weak to me to represent a proper half dragon. I feel like in a D&D type of game with classes and levels, something like a half dragon is a good argument for a race-as-a-class arrangement, where you would simply level up as a half dragon instead of as a sorcerer or whatever but with a bunch of difficult-to-quantify racial bonuses piled on top.
>>46107250
My group once wandered into an isolated village of healthy, cheery people in the mountains.
Literally everyone there was some form of Dragon-blood.
The reason? The local Dragon had a HUGE incest fetish, liked variety, and knew enough magical fuckery to solve any problems their natural Dragon-genetics and dragon-magic didn't solve.
He was a direct child of Tiamat, but generally got sick of her shit after all but two of his egg-mates were killed off in her plans, didn't stop him from enjoying it when she wanted the survivors to reproduce with each other and her in some half-assed form of Draconic-Divine eugenics.
Aside from ALL OF THAT, and being kind of an asshole, he was a pretty swell guy, just wanted to be left alone in his mountain-town fucking his half-crazy wyvern pseudo-sister and the children and grand-children of his various dalliances with lesser beings.
Surprisingly, none of this was the DM's magical realm, he rolled for it and got "Faffing about with his harem." "Spending time with offspring" and "Secretly plotting to do absolutely fucking nothing." and it legitimately seemed like the thing a fucking Elder Wyrm would do after he got tired of plotting.
>>46108782
I dig it.
Nice tables your GM has though.
>>46108826
He rolled like, thirty times for that entire town development, it was a filler session.
>>46108857
Eh, sounds neat.
Honestly, I just wanted a chance to post that screencap and have it be related.
>>46108857
Did he make that table himself?
>>46109066
I summarized the FUCK out of the tables he used, but he generally just looks around or writes some shit out when he doesn't have anything really planned in advance, or we are between major sessions and he isn't finished with the next "Arc"
Running a game where the pcs are half-dragons that were sent a quest to bring Tiamat back into existence in Forgotten Realms.
They work for some games, are horrible for others.
>>46107048
I like them as monsters, but hate them as PCs.
I usually use them as the elite members of a dragon cult whose goal is to serve their progenitor in achieving their goals and influencing/interacting with mortals.
It's usually kobold tribes<cultists< dragon priests/mages < half dragons< dragons. Nobility sometimes offer their children as tribute to cement loyalty and for blood ties to the cult (depending on how powerful the dragon in question is).
There's no way this thread wasn't going to degenerate into lewdposting almost immediately.
Anyway, half-dragons can make decent villains - a lieutenant to its dragon parent, who can show up much earlier in the campaign. Maybe there's a whole tribe of them guarding their parent's lair. Good guy half-dragons are special snowflake territory, though, avoid like the plague.
>>46109215
A Half-dragon can be a good guy.
..in the "Enlightened Self-Interest" way.
They can be cool if done right.
>>46109215
chromatic dragons are the only ones worth fucking anyway, desu senpai
>>46109242
Trogdor was a man... I mean... He was a dragon man...
>>46109215
>not having morally ambiguous half dragon blacksmiths that have seen it all before and really wish their mom would move out so that they could have a relationship without her scaring the poor girl off.
>>46107048
I quite like Half-dragons. As long as they are rare.
Then again, my homebrew setting is a bit dragon-heavy. I had one of the good ole' Mighty Empires Of Old be ruled by dragons. Dragonborn were basically the low nobility, all of the high nobility were dragons. There weren't many of them, even then.
Since those days, there are a few lines where the dragonblood runs strong. Most are just sorcerers, or have small draconic signs, but some rare few manage to unlock the power and transform into Half-Dragons.
>>46107503
Profane rituals done while bathing in dragon's blood.
>>46109242
Fuck you, that meme was stale a decade ago.
tieflings, dragonborn, god-touched, all those special snowflake races are shit and solely attract gary/mary stus
>>46110029
No not really
See >>46107796
>>46110029
Elves and dwarves too. Nobody needs to be anything other than a human or a halfling, really.
And watch the halflings.
>>46110055
>>46110059
butthurt scale-ies detected, yiff (sciff?) in hell
>>46110065
What? I was agreeing with you.
>>46110065
Dude chill out. Christ
>>46110029
I know, just like fucking elves.
Don't even get me started on the kind of angsty wanker who goes for the oh so tragic and special spawn of miscegenation.
They are ok.
Of course they are a massive Mary Sue-bait, especially if rare setting-wise. In that case, they probably shouldn't be playable.
No one just ever considers different kind of half-dragons.
I always wanted to play as a dragonborn or halfdragon kobold. Because I think it would be hilarious
>>46107048
Whole races of half-dragons are bad imho - takes away the rarity and therefore badassery of dragons.
But I'm positive about "become dragon class" in high fantasy settings which, over a very long time, gives dragon traits step by step until - for the most advanced and legendary heroes/villains - they can take voer a dragon's form permanently.
>>46110029
ITT: don't you ever dare play anything but a regular old human
Why even bother with RPGs then? I'm already a damned human and being a damned human with a pointy stick or pointy hat isn't appealing to me in the slightest.
I have only played 1 Dragonbonr character, and even then i was a "geek"
Basically was a huge lorefag and spent most of my time collecting rare books and spells - didn't really like violence
Of course you can play the whole macho Dragon PC, but i like giving it a twist
>>46112801
you're not limited to just human
You can also play a-
short human
shorter human
other shorter but different human
gay human
half-gay human
rape child human
>>46107048
Usually just as bad as half-vampyres, half-demon and half-angels: popular but powerful theme hamfisted in a smaller human frame for the enjoyment of PCs who can't be creative without being unique.
Upper-tier monstergirls.
Potentially interesting if the nature of dragons and draconic blood is explored more in depth.
>>46107048
Should have been something like the werewolf half-beast form only for dragonblooded sorcerrers.
>>46107638
>the group's dragonophile, and she'll always try to play/ride/become/stalk dragons whenever possible.
>she
PLEASE ELABORATE
I hate how D&D Dragonborn look. It's also a stupid thing to have as a player race. Having a bit of draconic ancestry can be done well, like Matthew from Magician, but is more often than not just feels out of place in an adventuring party.
And this is coming from a guy whos players are a crab, a pirate, and a slimegirl.
>>46113850
Can I play a tall human or is that too special snowflake?
>>46107048
I'd like to make one.
For me, Dragonborns are just bulky komododragon like lizardfolks. No actual dragon ancestry.
Also I think its stupid dragons can mate with anything outside their biological family. So no, half dragons dont fly with me.
>>46115651
I just don't think they look recognizably human enough. Even tieflings at least are fairly recognizably human, and could become another staple race in their own right. But Dragonborn are in that awkward area where they're too strange to be human, but not strange enough to be really something you'd want for being exotic.
>>46107048
I think calling a girl with a scale bikini and wings a "half-dragon" is a tad stupid.
They should look more like OP's pic.
>>46116923
How strange is the minimum for being what you'd want for being exotic? Because dragonborn seem mostly weird looking enough to me. I personally like them for that, because it seems like it's oddly rare in fantasy that a species can be nonhuman-looking and not also irrevocably-antagonistic-by-default and thus awkward to use in more interesting ways.
>>46116945
I broadly agree with you, but fucking artists are a bunch of casuals.
>>46110632
ed-ward?
>>46117055
Not that guy, but for me it's not about looking human-ish, but more about not looking really weird and stupid. Dragonborn in 5e look like retarded toad alligators with dreadlocks.
Take these crab people for example - they are clearly far from human, but they don't have weird fleshy dreadlocks.
I always liked how Siegfried became a super badass after bathing in dragon's blood.
Depending on the campaign, giving the party a huge boost after slaying a dragon is pretty reasonable way to increase the power level of the game without having to base it solely on leveling up.
While I'm on the fence on half-dragons, dragon-blessed humanoids or intelligent dragonoids are fine by be.
>>46110632
Only acceptable in a high magic setting, and then it's a privilege that should be earned through good roleplaying.
i think they're half not-dragons
>>46107048
Yes
>>46118141
That just seems like the kind of plan that ends with an angry dragon spirit living inside your head.
>>46119162
That sounds like you aren't good enough at killing things. If it's spirit is still bothering you, you didn't kill it hard enough in the first place.
>>46119338
If you killed it so hard even it's spirit is dead, what are you getting power from?
>>46119451
The GM's bloodplay fetish.
>>46119451
Residual magic, just because the spirit is dead doesn't mean it's power went anywhere. In fact in my setting that's part of how you can intentionally make werewolves, find a magically powerful wolf, kill it and destroy it's spirit, bind the remains of it's magic and spirit to you in a ritual on the full moon. I should note bathing in blood is not actually part of this ritual.
>>46107048
In muh setting:
Half-dragons cannot breed naturally, which makes them flat-out ABSURDLY rare, even moreso than.true dragons, which are basically going extinct as it is.
Two of them existed in the last hundred years, one of them is dead and the other one is the BBEG.
>>46119615
>halfdragon bbeg
>>46119646
My time as a DM has basically been me pulling out all the stops as far as cliches go, putting twists on it, and seeing how far I can take it.
Apparently my players love it for some reason.
I think they're pretty cool, though sometimes bad things happen to them.Or with my GM, bad things happen to make them halfdragons.
>>46120996
What kind of things does your GM do to them for that, and is there a benefit for them being a half dragon or is it still mostly bad?Also is the floor sticky?
>>46119451
Sucking its spirit into you, of course. How else would you become Dovakiin?
>>46121105
My GM has a thing for turning my characters into some variant of 'halfdragon'. It's become a running joke at this point.
>>46109242
Has anyone tried roleplaying a character inspired by Trogdor?
My favorite and most longeve character was an half white dragon barb.
nothing sophisticated, it was just a glorified meat grinder lizardman.
i even traded the wings for a tail attack
but that was highschool, so it was ok to be stupid.
Half-Dragons are never elegantly put together. It's a mutation and always looks unnatural.
The best you'll get is maybe this >>46120996
Otherwise mutations are uneven and inconvenient.
>>46123834
I was part of a dragonborn band named trogdor. Not much trogdor inspiration besides the obvious dragon men thing, but we did go on adventures looking for a vocalist, finding siren guts to replace broken strings and playing concerts in gith villages
>>46126519
pretty metal m8
7.5/10, would play
