Why are western orcs Big Green Muscle dudes and Japanese Orcs Porcs?
Why are western Kobolds tiny dragon rat people and japanese Kobolds dogs?
>>46087063
the telephone game.
>>46087063
Because the Japanese operate on a different level
Not a higher level
Just different
>>46087063
Early D&D orcs were pig men. Green muscle dudes came much later.
The dog kobolds come from fan translations of D&D, where it said they had "dog-like faces" it got misunderstood as "dog people."
Pic related, the changing face of D&D kobolds over the years. (the 2e goblin-like ones should be their own entry, though)
>>46087176
Thanks, anon, that's interesting.
>>46087176
>too much fetish fuel so we go back to the more "dog faced" look
Has this guy ever heard of furries?
>>46087216
I know, right? That 5e kobold is way too muscley to pretend otherwise. But it's a useful pic despite its problems.
>>46087176
Anything like this for Porcs?
>>46087063
>86 presumably centimeters
>D cup
Bullshit, Hitomi Tanaka is a J cup and she's only 14 cm bigger. In fact I remember seeing this pic before and comparing the measurements. Kobold girl is almost exactly the same size as Hitomi.
>>46087397
She's not Japanese so she's not wearing lilliputian -scaled japanese bras.
>>46087414
It's a japanese picture book, the measurements are most likely in metric. Hitomi has huge tits by any standard.
>>46087447
They are in metric, it's just that jap bras work on a different scale
Like the japanese b cup is the western a-cup.
>>46087464
So that would make her an I cup then? That's still a bigger size than most people think exists, as the majority of men, and women, think the scale stops at DD.
>>46087176
>D&D 3, 4, 5, and Pathfinder Kobolds
>different
How much of an autist was the person who made this?
They're the 'same' except for some minor aesthetic differences.
>>46087551
>How much of an autist was the person who made this?
Enough of an autist to put together a handy picture, but too much of an autist to not do some dumb stuff, like putting bug-eyed 2e kobolds in with the dog-faced ones, saying 5e was a move away from "furry bait", etc.
>>46087551
Can't just call them WotC Kobolds... That negelcts all the creativity and innovation Paizo put into Pathfinder.
>>46087612
Yea as a furry I'd much rather fuck the 5e kobolds than the 3ed and 4th ones.
>>46087063
see >>46087084
Essentially, Japanese fantasy is constantly riffing US fantasy;
however, they're always 30 years behind us.
>>46087397
Cup shapes (and they *are* shapes, not sizes) are fairly arbitrary and vary by country.
Generally though, you go up a category (but no necessarily a letter) every inch.
>14 cm bigger
To things to point out here, that's ~5.5 inches and that difference isn't the only number that effects bra lettering.
Bra fitting is done by subtracting the band size (the diameter above the tits) from the bust size (the diameter across the tits).
>>46087551
Autistic people don't understand sarcasm, so who's the autist now?
>>46087176
>cutebolds
The only Kobolds I ever allow.They are cute. Cute!
>>46087063
Western orcs come from GW and Blizzard making bulky green skinned men at the same time, shaping the view of most people. But there is hardly a concensus on the matter. Early Citadel orcs had orange skin, japanese pigmen came from the d&d illustrations of pig/dragonlike snouted orcs, and other settings have different representations, like might & magic semi-demons or black moon chronicles hairy apes.
On a sidenote, why is it that so many japanese monstergirls have giant hands and feet ? Is it because they have their roots in cosplay ?
>>46087325
>Here comes the diversity
>You're about to be culturally enriched!
>>46087176
What did the Japanese do with Gnolls?
>>46087084
>>46087176
Both of these.
Ya all niggers need to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgoonTyjKoc
While he mainly talks about the history of D&D in games in touches upon the differences between WRPGs and JRPGs and Fantasy in general came to be.
Orcs are a substitute for blacks, elves are a substitute for white women.
>>46089658
They kinda fused with the Kobolds, which >>46087176 omitted.
Depending on the setting and the interpretation the Kobolds might be bigger and more feral or not.
More interesting is how they treat Goblins and Hobgoblins to be the same race just a bigger, meaner version of Goblins.
ALL HAIL KING TORG!
why does the welsh dragon not look like what my local chinese takeaway has on its menu
>>46087063
Isn't this a local thing. For example in my race group orcs look like humanoid headhogs and not pigs. And we have something that looks like a kobold, or to be more precise 3 things. One have rat faces, others [the good ones] dog faces and third look like owl bears, but are inteligent and live in the mountains.
>>46087063
Because two atom bombs were not enough.
This is an American Orc.
It's also worth pointing out that LOTR cartoons had pig-orcs too.
>>46087063
Porcs were closer to the original Orcs who were goblinoids.
Warhammer40k introduced big brute Orcs.
Before that they were trash mobs.
Later people kept the big ugly green brute stuff and started to make them into idolized niggers after half-Orcs and the like became playable races.
ITT. Orcs should have stayed goblinoid pork faced trash mobs instead of becoming culturally appropriated niggers and "noble savages".
Dog kobolds became a thing thanks to a mistranslation.
Original they are draconic humanoids with dog-like facial features.
Someone translated it into dog-headed people instead.
>>46090451
They're not pig-orcs; they're... I dunno what they are. But they're good singers.
>>46090597
>Later people kept the big ugly green brute stuff and started to make them into idolized niggers after half-Orcs and the like became playable races.
Half-Orcs have been playable since 1978.
>>46090611
WE DON'T WANNA GO TO WAR TODAY
>>46090633
BUT THE LORD OF THE LASH SAYS NAY, NAY, NAY!
>>46090597
the original kobolds were protective if mischievous house spirits that could take a variety of forms
D&D cartoon orcs, 1983
>>46090673
Gamorrean guard
>>46090673
That looks kind of canine to me.
>>46090714
You're late.
>>46090722
I'm deletin' it.
Hildebrandt orcs
>>46087063
Subtle evolution.
When D&D was introduced to Japan Orcs were more piggish in the west too.
Warhammer Orcs came about and although they had distinctly piggish qualities - tusks, flat nose, pig pets - their more hulking brutish nature was played up. I think originally they were painted green by accident.
Warhammer Orcs of course spawned Warcraft Orcs, who're more human and who now directly inspire most modern depiction of Orcs in the west.
>>46087063
>Western orcs Green
In Germany, the orcs are black.
>>46087063
Why do you care so much about the output of one sort of media from a particular country that you would compare it against whatever the hell you're defining as "the west"?
>>46087063
>Why are western orcs Big Green Muscle dudes and Japanese Orcs Porcs?
>Why are western Kobolds tiny dragon rat people and japanese Kobolds dogs?
Short answer: it's D&Ds fault.
Long answer: By "western" style kobolds, what you're actually referring to are Dungeons and Dragons style kobolds. Up until 3rd editon, the D&D monster manual portrayed kobolds as something rat-like or dog-like. Past 3rd edition, they were lizard-like.
Western perception of kobolds outside of D&D are much less specific. They're roughly synonymous with orcs, dwarves, trolls, gnomes, fairies, and so on. They're all mostly the same type of fairy tale monster, whose physical descriptions shift between regions, cultures, and even individual stories. Outside strictly codified RPG bestiaries, western kobolds can take damn near any form.
Early western CRPGs, such as the Wizardry series series, were heavily inspired by D&D. They were also tremendously popular in Japan, and influenced the Japanese perception of western monsters, such as kobolds.
As such, the Japanese kobolds, are based on early western CRPG kobolds (and their low-resolution graphics), which are based on early edition D&D kobolds, which are based on very specific depictions of kobolds which aren't totally truthful to the larger cultural tradition of western fairy tale monsters.
The same is true with orcs. Early D&D orcs had pig like features, early western CRPGs shared this portrayal, and later Japan CRPGs exaggerated those features.
>>46089672
>Ya all niggers need to watch this:
>a fucking two hour plus video
Yeah, sure, I'll get right on that.
>>46091328
Why are you getting all pissy about what's obviously just a flimsy excuse to have a thread about evolutionary fantasy?
>>46087063
>Why are western orcs Big Green Muscle dudes and Japanese Orcs Porcs?
Originally Orc depictions were non-unified. "Orc" was basically a catch all for most low level bad guy humanoids. Common traits were upturned "pig-like" noses with tusked teeth and sickly "green" skin.
Since most early RPG monster depictions were in monotone black and white, the Japanese whom imported D&D books focused on the Pig-like noses developing them in often greenish Pigman and Boarman directions.
Citadel miniatures in Britain created a series of Orc miniatures in the early 80s. These minis with their upturned noses and large tusked jaws were commonly painted green to the point where that because the depiction used in Gamesworkshop's Warhammer Fantasy Battle wargame. Warhammer got popular enough that Blizzard started working with Gamesworkshop on making an RTS game, but things fell through. Blizzard opted to continue development of the game, now named Warcraft, toning down the orc jaws and making other adjustments so GW couldn't sue for infringement. After the game and later series became a success Blizzard opted to make their Orcs noble savages in their third game. When the Warcraft was developed into a wildly popular MMO, Blizzard's depiction of orcs as burly greenskined tusked humans became the default depiction of Orc's in the mind of the west.
>Why are western Kobolds tiny dragon rat people and japanese Kobolds dogs?
Early D&D depictions of Kobolds had them as having rat-like and dog-like faces. After a mistranslation that focused on the dog faced part, the Japanese merged them with the Hyena-headed (which can be hard to distinguish from a dog's head) Gnolls and calling this new composite race Kobolds.
When 3rd edition D&D was in development, the desiners of the game wanted to make Kobolds more distinct for Goblins. They opted to do this by making the Kobolds the default dragon slave/servant race and making them more dragon/lizard like.
>>46091602
>Up until 3rd editon, the D&D monster manual portrayed kobolds as something rat-like or dog-like.
Correction: They had rat-like tails and dog-like snouts, but were covered in scales from head to toe. So they were just as "lizard-like" as they were anything else, right from the start. Take a closer look at pic related, that's not chainmail.
>>46087063
You know it's really annoying that you use "western" as a synonym for "D&D".
>>46087063
Because japan is hideous.
>>46095156
And, you know...
Warcraft, Warhammer, Elder Scrolls, etc. etc.
>>46095216
Yes, it includes everything that ever copied D&D, your point?
Kobolds have none of that in western mythology. You can just use the word goblin and it won't make any real difference.
>>46094509
That's factually wrong, and you are a faggot for perpetrating the lie.
Your image and description is of their GOD who was a kobold made divine by living in Tiamat's poop.
>>46095156
D&D is western fantasy now. Get over it.
>>46095251
>Yes, it includes everything that ever copied D&D, your point?
That by and large the predominant western kind of orc is the hulking green savage. Even when they're not green they're still majorly the same.
As such, it's no exaggeration to call that the "Western Orc".
Kobold comes from German, Colbalt, which is a mine-dwelling goblin who fucked shit up for miners. They were depicted as little people with black /fur/, pointed ears, and large noses. They could talk to rats and dogs, and were why mines would cave in. Later versions of the myths say they're immune to explosions and they can talk with each other by barking like dogs.
>>46095254
>Your image and description is of their GOD who was a kobold made divine by living in Tiamat's poop.
Horseshit. It's directly from the AD&D 1e monster manual's entry for Kobold.
>>46089512
>At the same time
Yeah, no. Warhammer is a hell of a lot older than Warcraft.
Blizzard did pick a good race to steal, though.
>>46095277
Only in the context of tolkienian fantasy. There's a lot more out there, especially once you leave tabletop.
>>46095298
The orc as a trope was codified by tolkien, and it's not commonly used outside of that, so it can sort of fit. But a kobold certainly can't, since it's really just a type of fairy.
>>46095254
Taken from AD&D Monster Manual 1st edition.
>>46095363
Funny though that the Tolkien Orc is really more of a Goblin for the most part, they seem to have subspecies which fit the "Western Orc" class.
>>46095363
The moment you leave medieval fantasy you're not in western fantasy anymore. You're in one of the hundreds of kinds of "genre-punk" cesspools.
>>46095393
That's because they're all just a sort of fairy, anon. There isn't a single type of orc, even though orcs tend to follow the trend tolkien set closely.
>>46095404
I think you're talking about mythology, not fantasy.
>>46095363
>>46095393
The modern Orc is tolkien's Uruk-Hai (which is closer to the D&D Hoblgoblin), and Tolkien's Orc is the D&D Goblin. The modern goblin outside of D&D, is a gremlin.
>>46095363
You realise Tolkienian fantasy and D&D fantasy are not very similar at all right?
The orcs in Tolkien are nothing like DnD orcs.
>>46094509
For some reason, I read that as 'covered in snails'. Now wouldn't that make a nice fantasy monster?
>>46095417
Why does mythology matter here? Mythology exists only to be a source of names and descriptions as far as tabletop games matter.
>>46095427
DnD Orcs are not really anything like Uruk-Hai either.
>>46095435
On the whole they are very similar. Which means they have a lot of commonalities and could be A LOT more different than they are, while still being no stranger than any other fairy.
>>46095443
>Why does mythology matter here?
You're the one talking about it when you say "medieval fantasy". At least that's what I see.
>as far as tabletop games matter
They don't matter very far.
>>46095435
Tolkien's Goblin/Orc (same thing) is the source for D&D's Goblin.
Tolkien's Uruk-hai is the source for both D&D Orc and Hobgoblin.
I know you drank Gary's "No, it's Conan not tolkine" Kool-Aid, but stop lying to yourself. Tolkien was a huge influence on D&D's aesthetic.
>>46095493
>They don't matter very far.
On /tg/ they are the be all end all, you ignorant slut. What are you, some niggerschan reject?
>>46095442
Now I'm picturing a weird kobold tribe that lives symbiotically with hundreds of snails.
>>46095526
That's no excuse to use faulty terminology.
>>46095363
>The orc as a trope was codified by tolkien, and it's not commonly used outside of that, so it can sort of fit.
Tolkien created orcs but was very vague in his description of them. The evolution of the western orc is that of a creature chronicled by Tolkien which was transmutated by D&D that was then sculpted by Warhammer and then widely rendered in Warcraft.
>But a kobold certainly can't, since it's really just a type of fairy.
Kobolds started out as earth sprites/fairies just like Gnomes, but their name was co-oped by D&D for a small humanoid monster since the name Goblin was already taken.
>>46087063
Because concepts change as they are translated across cultures and just with the passage of time.
>>46087176
>Early D&D orcs were pig men.
NO, THEY WEREN'T.
Orcs have never been pig-people, that conception came much later and really only in Japan. Orcs were never described in detail in the Lord of the Rings but they were often rendered as ape-like tusked humanoids. Interestingly, Orc skin was originally grey or black in color. This is the closest thing we actually get to a description in Lord of the Rings.
Green orcs were created by Games Workshop completely by accident.
White Dwarf is one of the longest running gaming publications in the world. In the early days, WD wasn't a GW exclusive publication. They also covered the UK releases of AD&D and Runequest. Early editions of White Dwarf were black and white only but in the mid 80's GW finally got the funding to print color sections in WD.
At this time, Orcs and Goblins had black skin.
Unfortunately, when saving the files for the first print run of the color magazine to send the publisher, an unnamed staff member turned the file compression all the way up in order to fit the publisher documents onto a floppy disk. This over-compression lead to a great deal of color-shifting in the first full-color painting guide for Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Rogue Trader W40k. This color-shifting, among other things, caused the color black to instead appear as dark green.
By the time Games Workshop were aware of the error, it was too late to do anything about it and game stores were filling up with green orcs and green Dark Angels. So GW just rolled with it rather than publishing a correction.
>>46095936
>tusked
>not pig-people
Even that much feels piggish.
>>46095156
Orcs being big green musclemen hasn't actually that much to do with DnD. As stated, the original DnD Orcs were the "P'Orc" variant, which still exists as the common desciption in Japan but is virtually extinct in the west. The common modern western Orc desciption is more based on Warcraft and Warhammer Orcs, with later editions of DnD adopting cues from their appearance (although DnD Orcs are still more grayish or sickly pale greenish in skin colour, rather than the bright green of WH/WC orcs).
The desciptions of originally western fantasy monsters in Japanese media is pretty interesting, really. For many creatures you can sort of see them either "evolving" by combining with Japanese tropes or due to later artists being influenced by a desciption of a particular artist and imitating their style, or remain relatively unchanged while the western deciption changes (which interestingly parallels the way some actual animal species might be preserved in an isolated enviroment while in the mainland they're replaced by their descendants or unrelated but similar species). Other examples include:
>Japanse Elves: commonly have extremely long ears due to the western-style pointed "elf ears" already being associated with demons/yokai. Also commonly seem to be more busty than the lithely built western elves, which might be to make them more exotic looking or because fanservice in anime.
>Japanese Dark Elves: Brown skin instead of coal black or dark grey. Can probably be traced to the "Record of Lodoss War" manga and anime (itself based on session recaps of a DnD campaign published in some Japanese RPG magazine), where they coloured the Dark Elves brown because that was easier to shade with the limited colour palette they were working with.
>Japanese Succubi: often descipted with a mouth or other orifice at the end of their tail. Most likely related, through a very specific fetish and a few mental hoops, to Cell in Dragonball Z (really, this one is kind of confusing).
>>46095936
>NO, THEY WEREN'T.
Yes they were, precisely by an artist misinterpreting Gygax's descriptions. What was just a piggish-nose became a boarfaced creature.
The Japanese. They don't need much reason to mess with things.
>>46095936
The art from one of the earliest desciptions of Orcs in DnD (see >>46090451) has them with distinctively pig-like faces. Admittably that isn't somethign that was really a consistent feature for them, and probably just the artist taking the desciption of them having tusked faces with upturned "piggish" noses and running with it.
Intresting about the colour error in early WD, though. I know that Dark Angels used to have black armour in some of the older desciptions, and that in-universe they changed their colour to dark green after Horus Heresy, but was never aware what the real life reason for the colour change was (the fluff for the Heresy was created considerably after the fact).
>>46096089
>Japanese Succubi: often descipted with a mouth or other orifice at the end of their tail
That's new to me, I've only seen that in MGQ.
And I may misremember it but I thinkit was associated with a vore scene.
Elf Milfs are more interesting when they're fucked by pig orcs vs. rip and tear orcs
>>46095443
>Why does mythology matter here?
This is a thread about different cultural depictions of mythological monsters. It's inherently about mythology.
>>46095936
>NO, THEY WEREN'T.
Yes, they very clearly were.
>>46096089
>Japanese Succubi: often descipted with a mouth or other orifice at the end of their tail.
I don't think that's very common at all. I haven't seen that at all outside of MGQ.
>>46096428
>That's new to me, I've only seen that in MGQ.
>And I may misremember it but I think it was associated with a vore scene.
There's a reason people sometimes call those kinds of tails "vore-tails" (although I've seen them in other contexts as well).
It's by no means universal; most Japanese succubi still have the classic "devil-tail" (you know, the one with a pointy triangular tip). In MGQ most succubi ahd that kind of tail and only one boss had the "vore-tail". But it is prelevant enough that I've seen it multiple times in unrelated sources. Mostly hentai manga (where they may or may not be used for vore), but also some non-hentai art. Disgaea videogames (at least the first one, which is the only one I've played due to not owning a Sony console newer than PS2) gave the succubi a tail-bite attack as well, and I think I've seen it in a few other videogames as well.
I'd like to know exactly where it came from, since it's not something you see in any western desciption of succubi. DBZ's Cell is the likeliest suspect, as he had an orifice on the end of his tail he used to absorb people, but Cell had nothing to do with succubi either so how exactly it got associated with succubi is still a mystery.
>>46096428
>>46096831
I've seen it pretty often, mostly in hentia with a heavy amount of tail play and/or vore
>>46095936
>Orcs have never been pig-people, that conception came much later and really only in Japan. Orcs were never described in detail in the Lord of the Rings but they were often rendered as ape-like tusked humanoids. Interestingly, Orc skin was originally grey or black in color. This is the closest thing we actually get to a description in Lord of the Rings.
Upturned pig-like nose with tusked mouths were a common enough design that the 1979 AD&D Monster Manual uses that as their appearance.
>Green orcs were created by Games Workshop completely by accident.
>White Dwarf is one of the longest running gaming publications in the world. In the early days, WD wasn't a GW exclusive publication. They also covered the UK releases of AD&D and Runequest. Early editions of White Dwarf were black and white only but in the mid 80's GW finally got the funding to print color sections in WD.
>At this time, Orcs and Goblins had black skin.
That tale seems to be apocryphal. There is a 1980's box of Grenadier AD&D Orc miniatures with Green skinned Orcs (my pick) and Orcs have green skin in the 1983 AD&D cartoon.
>>46096881
Well, I don't read vore beyond Ishimura's stuff so I'll have to trust you.
>>46096841
I do know that many people into vore hentai were influenced by Cell.
>>46095971
Walrus? Elephant? Narwhal?
>>46096985
You're making those up.
>>46096954
Yeah, the best I can figure Cell in DBZ ended up giving a significant amount of people a tail-vore fetish, and later one of those people noticed that succubi
a) are sexy demons that prey on men
b) have tails
and put two and two together. Some other people presumably copied him and it ende dup becoming prelevent enough that significant minority of Japanese succubi have mouht-tails.
I'd still like to know what was the first appearance of a mouth-tailed succubus.
>>46092399
Fuck, what was the name of this webcomic?
>>46087325
>Oi what's is up wiff des boyz?
>All des does is goings on and on bouts dem squishy humies and how perdy they's is sted'of fokusin' on da right n'propa tin FIGHT'IN
>Down right disgraceful dat tis'
>I's bets you a deffwagon full'la teefs that dey don even krumpses da humies dey finds
>Wut des needs sis a real right n'propa WAAAGH ta get dum reeel Orky.
>So grab ya coppa and ya dakka and let's give des pansy knights a fight'in des's neva' gonna forget.
>Orkz's made for fight'in und da winning.
>WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!
>>46089608
>See des humie git's got da right idea brinin' da dakka
>>46087063
Kobolds as dog earth spirit people that killed miners I think was some more closely related to the myth as well as orcs having porcine features (even though they didn't look like actual pigs).
For the japanese is both "trying to stick to original myth" then "twisting this myth as much as necessary in order to make them fit with manga stereotypes". So basically instead of drawing a huge dude with a weird nose you draw a pig to make the character seem lustful, lazy and dirty; and you go for the dogpeople because they can be turned very easily into girls with animal ears for example.
Also I don't think Orcs were green ever, methinks it was an invention of this era that somehow stuck and too many grimdark jokes that made them poplar.
>porcs
I'm in love with this word to describe pig-snouted orcs.
>>46090689
Something about those green porcs really attract me. It's like a nice middle ground between pure old school wankery and the modern day ones.
>>46098448
Very aptly named 'elf comic'. There's a link at your closest google.
>>46099955
God elf comic is the fucking raddest thing.
>>46098772
>Poplar
I thought they were descended from mold, not trees.
>>46087176
Huh. They obviously don't know how fetish fuel works, cause 5e kobolds pretty hot.
That being said, German folk tale kobolds are much more interesting, I think I'll be using those from now on.
>>46099928
They're Jabba's guards from Return of the Jedi, if you didn't recognize them.
>>46096841
Some Greek monsters with serpent tails were depicted with literal snake heads on the end of them (like the Chimera or those snake-legged giants). This motif was later used in Christian art with certain demons having snake-headed tails. Usually named ones featured in demon dictionaries. I suspect that's where the tail-mouth thing comes from.
>>46100579
Thinking about this some more a simplified snake head or (tassle, like on a lions tail) might be where the idea of spaded tails comes from since no actual animal has one.
>>46100763
That actually makes a lot of sense. I've always figured the pointy bit might represent some kind of stinger or something, but being derived from a heavily stylished snake head makes more sense, as that's something that shows up in medieval demon artwork pretty often (along with eyes on the butt, a feature for some reason dropped from modern illustrations of demons).
Although I kind of doubt some Japanese porn writers got the idea to give their succubi mouth-tails from medieval demonology books. Plus those tails usually have either just a round orifice or a bunch of fleshy appendages (like pic related) at the end, rather than proper jaws.
>>46087063
Why are Japanese female characters rape/waifu bait and western ones SJW fodder? Different cultures anon
>>46089608
I haven't watched the series yet but goddamn that ms smith lady takes my vote over the monstergirls.
Except for oni-girl.
And, despite normally loving tittymonsters, that shapeshifter brown one is really pretty.
>>46100012
It's also done by the guy who did the character designs for Metalocalypse.
Shame it updates so goddamn slow and infrequently.
>>46101576
Ghosts and Goblins has demons with medieval inspired demons what with the chest faces and such so I don't think it would be too much of a stretch.
That tail in your pic looks more like something found on various tentacle monsters though, so it might just be that they're mixing western sex demons with eastern sex monsters.
>>46098772
>you draw a pig to make the character seem lustful, lazy and dirty
I think this is why I like female Porcs...
>>46095527
I might use this, if you don't mind.
>>46087397
>>46087532
The number represents the circumference around the breast, not the breast volume. The band size is unlisted, and cup size is is a dependent on band size - not circumference around the breast.
You cant determine the bra size by circumference alone.
>>46088060
What becomes somewhat complicated is how sister sizes work. Related quick read on that: brasizecalculator tk/sistersizes html (add .'s where appropriate)
Bra's are fucking weird. There's a reason the vast majority of people are wearing the wrong size.
Because Japs aren't cool enough for the Ork Boyz. Fact.
>>46098449
underrated post.
>>46101590
>Why are Japanese female characters rape/waifu bait and western ones SJW fodder?
Please, western ones are waifubait as well no matter how much the minority of SJW's tries to change that, it won't.
>>46102364
>>46104519
Japanse Orc meets Western orc. What happens?
>>46098772
>"twisting this myth as much as necessary in order to make them fit with manga stereotypes"
I don' know, that seems more like confusing cause and effect. Sure, designs are twisted by manga norms, but the base concepts they ripped were already fully piglike etc.
>>46102182
>Liking a girl who unironically uses BAE.Primest Wench though.
>>46102182
>Except for oni-girl.
>>46102182
You really should watch it. It's trash, but it's fun trash.
>>46104876
Two situations:
A) Westie Orcs take over Jap Orcs through better weapons, battle tactics, and maybe shamanism. Disregard if Tolkein's Orcs. Jap Orcs slowly go extinct but luckily don't have to suffer Chris Metzen's constant dinduism.
B) Jap Orcs take over Westie Orcs just because. With the help of their Powerful Dark Magic-userlikely a plate-bikini'd Dark Elf Dom, they turn all the orcs in cock-loving Elf girls. Rape and Orc-Elf babies ensue. This is literally every representation of Orcs I've seen in Japanese media.
>>46102182
>shapeshifter brown one is really pretty
That's not her real form though.
>>46102182
>I haven't watched the series yet but goddamn that ms smith lady takes my vote over the monstergirls.She's a succubus...
>>46108439
>shapeshifter
>"real" form
>>46100763
Manticores and wyverns where depicted with spade tails so i always assumed it was shorthand for a spike or a stinger
>>46102182
>And, despite normally loving tittymonsters, that shapeshifter brown one is really pretty.
sure is
>>46108414
It is now the age of elves raping orcs.
>>46102364
Those ones are also hardcore BDSM fetishists.
>>46104876
Japanese orcs are only good at raping elves and female knights, they are absolute bottom-barrel jobbers beyond that. Whereas the Western orc, while also usually a jobber, tends to congregate in numbers large enough to pose a threat to somebody.
Based on this, I'd have to say the western ones win.
>>46108764
Tolkien orcs are actually corrupted elves, so it could be the rape instinct of the porcs covers them.
>>46108668
PRIMEST WENCH
>>46108933
Doppel may be the best wench but Centorea is no wench, she is a proper lady and best girl.
>>46090611
Bulldog/bullfrog/cats, probably my favourite depiction of orcs even though they are so different from others
>>46109209
>Centorea is no wench, she is a proper lady and best girl.
That's not how you spell Suu...
Look, there's no point arguing.
We already know which girl wins.
>>46109358
None of them win. There can't be a best girl in a monstergirl harem. The best girl concept only makes sense when the girls are comparable. If they're as wildly different as various species of monstergirl then basically all of them are the best girl on their own terms.
>>46108585
Well we did get this last chapter
>All these people not knowing who best girl really is
>>46109613
Spider's a qt, but Horse is best.
Anyway how come we hardly ever see girl P'orcs? That monster girl setting is the only one I've seen them in.
>>46109664
The artist drew one it's on his twitter.
>>46104876
Tolkien: Porcs get genocided.
TES: are seen as an insult to Malacath and are genocided.
Warcraft: Warcraft Orcs are initially confused, but later don't give a shit, and maybe try to integrate Jap Orcs into the Horde.
Warhammer: Jap Orcs drown in the dakka and are genocided.
>>46110022
>implying jap orks aren't a type of squig
>>46110101
>implying squigs rape elves
>>46110122
well, now that you mention it, I have some reading material that strongly indicates this.
It is not safe for the board.
>>46109664
>Anyway how come we hardly ever see girl P'orcs?
>>46109734
>The artist drew one it's on his twitter.
LINK, NOW!!!
>>46109313
ND once again proves that he has shit taste.
>>46110181
>ND once again proves that he has shit taste.
Hey, Horse Pussy is pretty good, but she has nothing on Superior Suu...
>>46110223
She has everything on slimeshit. She is more pure, more wholesome, and more honorable. And her tits are bigger.
>>46110130
>>46110271
Only downside ishorse pussy
>>46110271
>She has everything on slimeshit. She is more pure, more wholesome, and more honorable. And her tits are bigger.
I don't know if purity or honor are real selling points, but Suu is both more wholesome AND a way better home maker than Centorea AND can change her size and shape!
>>46110592
>Plump pig-earred MILF
YES!!!
>>46110271
>And her tits are bigger.
Unless you give Suu enough water.
>>46110668
>but Suu is both more wholesome AND a way better home maker than Centorea
Suu is a borderline retarded rapist that literally eats shit off the floor.Yet the only one smart enough to know the Harem end in the only logical end.
>>46109664
Horse is also an acceptable answer. I just want Rachnee so I can get plastic surgery so I can slowly convert myself into a Drow.
>>46110601
>implying that's a downside
>>46109664
4 LEGS GOOD
8 LEGS BETTER
>>46111047
That chapter was terrible. QT farm animal girls ruined by musclegirl milking scenes. I'm sure it was somebody's fetish but it's sure not mine.
Sheepgirl was cute though.
>>46110787
>Suu is a borderline retarded rapist that literally eats shit off the floor.
>Yet the only one smart enough to know the Harem end in the only logical end.
See that's the thing, Suu actually isn't mentally crippled like Papi, by the time she's discussing the harem end with Darling she's already been able to converse and discuss normally for quite a while.
Put this into perspective: Suu, at first a standard slime, has learned enough from observing sapients that she can interact, converse, and fully integrate into their society, all in under the length of a YEAR!
From giant protozoa to home maker in UNDER A YEAR!
Girl has mental plasticity that makes humans look like trained chickens in comparison!
>>46111064
The only bad thing about it was the cow's disproportionately small nipples.
>>46090656
We are talking fantasy RPG not actual world lore.
Original kobolds are like the domovoj of slavic myths.
Orcs are originally large goblins.
And so on...
>>46087063
Blame Warhammer 40k who made them green and Blizzard who made them ''noble savages''.
I like Porcs more.
All that talk about who's best monstergirl, and not a single mention of the lamia... I'm surprised, I thought she was a favorite, alongside the spidergirl.
>>46110128
They're fungi, they don't have sexual organs or instincts.
>>46111208
Snek is usually in the middle of the rankings. Her being "first girl" and the one who stands the best chance of actually getting Darling contributes too.
Cuckfish is the one that nobody likes.
>>46096089
>>46104876
Being a biology nerd I'd really like to see a "bestiary" describing different countries versions of fantasy creatures and how they're related to eachother. Like Japanese Orcs being relict species descendent from one of the most primitive Orc species that has survived in Japan but elsewere replaced by the Western Orc, or Japanese Dark Elves developing brown skin for whatever reason and eventually becoming a completely different subspecies (Brown Elf, aka. "Chocolate Elf"), with appearance and habits completely different from their Dark Elf ancestors.
OBJECTIVE BEST GIRL RANKLIST COMING THROUGH
0. Darling
Literally perfect
1. Miia
Pure and devoted best girl, perfect balance between loving personality and huggable body.
2. Rachnera
Pretty scary because she's a FUCKING SPIDER and her six eyes could be disturbing to some, but despite being a femme fatale bondage queen she's also 2pure. Gap moe is best moe.
2a. Zombina
Who doesn't love tomboys? People with shit taste, that's who.
2b. Tio
Big, protective yet cute girl. She'll wreck your doors and porches but that's worth the giant hugsand snu snu. Strictly inferior to Centorea personalitywise though.
3. Centorea
Ladyknights are my fetish. She's loyal, brave, and protective. Her only faults arebeing a fingerlocking slutandHORSE PUSSY
4. Mero
Cuckfish is worst fish, but if you can look past that she's a sophisticated cute. 4/10 would take her to the beach.
5. Suu
Not really into goo girls but she's a cute and a useful. Salt water personality best personality.
5a. Manako
Not really into uguu moeblobs, but she's kinda cute.
6. Papi
She'd be cute if she weren't literally retarded, along with the rest of her species.
LITERALLY WHO: Lala
Prove me wrong faggots.Doppel is the superior girl, because she can turn into any other girl
>>46111566
I'd prefer a bestiary with information on creatures and detailed history on each of their variations and origins and evolutions.
>>46111647
I like Zombina and I can accept your opinion on TIO, but putting her higher than Centorea is kinda pants on head retarded. Also
>Horse Pussy
>Bad
Otherwise pretty solid list.
>>46104876
Better question; Japanese Orc meets Western Orc meets Orks. What happens?
>>46087920
>furry
>>46087063
That isn't a kobold, that's a child with dog ears stapled on.
Because Western stuff is superior to asian shit.
>>46112182
Fantasy Orks or 40k Orks?
>>46112182
Lots of dakka happens, followed by a lot of dead orcs. Warhammer orcs would probably count as feral orks and get absorbed into the Waagh! but p'orcs and green niggas would get krumped.
>>46108663
Thing is I can't think of any demon that has a stinger tail. But the real point is the spade isn't a spade, it's a simple version of something else.
>>46102182
You have excellent taste.
>>46102199
Holy shit. I can totally see that.
>>46111090
Holy shit. ND said something intelligent.
>>46112242
>that
>a child
How many hundreds of pounds of fat rolls must a girl have to satisfy normalfags?
>>46087063
>1.58 m
>51 kg
shouldnt the muscle mass on this one actually add up to at least a total weight of 60 kg? she is a /fit/ girl after all
>>46111647
>Doppel offers Darling a no-strings attached fuck in whatever form he wants, up to an including celebrities or harem members.
>He asks her to wear clothes
That's the point Darling got a little silly.
>>46095936
D&D, not Tolkien, and even then it was technically a misinterpretation of Gygaxian intent... that became official artwork and was published.
So, yes, "early D&D orcs were pig men." Or pig orcs.
GW orcs are an entirely different kettle of wtf.
>>46111647
I can't even disagree, this is pretty solid reasoning. I still want Rachnera to win, because gap moe is my fetish.
>>46096985
Pig-seal. Pig-horror. Unicorn.
>>46113526
she's more towards cardio than towards gainz
>>46113744
assuming she has low bodyfat , she must have a lot of musclemass to achieve the physical volume depicted in the OP , and since muscle is far heavier than fat , you would get a weight around 60 kg with 1.6m
otherwise , she could be very skinny actually and it is only the fur which is thick , like a spitz
>>46113724
Lala has the cutest gap moe in the series.
Also Yukio would be Best Girl if she hasn't already won the game, she's already engaged (Luz is best ara ara~ and the Barometz twins are biggest perverts.)
>>46113798
>Low body fat
>Solid D cups
>>46113878
they are either fake or balls of floof
>>46113878
>>46113897
>flat-chested genki action girl
God dammit, Polt would've been great without the boobs.
>>46113798
>like a spitz
I need a picture of a spitz doggirl , NOW
>>46113948
>Genki fluffy action flat chested
i like this idea
>tfw Bike Cop will never be partnered with an over-eager wolfgirl fresh out of the academy.
>>46113439
>Holy shit. ND said something intelligent.
IT HAPPENS SOME TIMES!!!
![134147126323[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a5xjm7L.jpg "134147126323[1].jpg")
>>46113948
>He's more worried about the boobs than the fact that she's a furry
>>46113866
I'm holding out for a Dark Horse agent Smith win.
>>46087063
not sure if puffy vulva or fluffy vulva
>>46114097
My dad works for Nintendo and he has told me how Monster Musume will end.
>The law is changed so monster girls can go outside unattended
>One day Miia comes back from doing groceries and finds that most of the harem girls are dead and darling is missing
>Rachnera descends from the ceiling and explains that in the end, only one girl can win the darlingbowl and only one girl can be best girl
>She wants to fight Miia in the open, one on one, in a clean match because she believes Miia has the most potential to become best girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b-7tP7IW5Q
>>46114062
She ain't got the snout and the fur looks downright pleasant in color.
It's like you don't even want to give her belly scratches and ask who's the good girl.
>>46114062
maybe it is because we know what kind of "furries" are to be classified as cancer and which ones are not to be purged
we dont look through hatred-tainted glasses like you hive-minds
>>46114097
Harem end seems the most likely, but I'd love it if Smith won, it would pretty much be the best thing for the series.
>>46114125
Why not both? Why not ALWAYS both?
>>46087063All I want is a polt to have passionate cuddlesex with.
>>46114393
All she wants is DOGGYSTYLE.
>>46114454Implying it's impossible to rut like dogs but still be cuddly and passionate
>>46098449
>Oi iz a funny knuckle fucka who can't stop makin' 40k references to unrelated shit cuz I think iz funneh
>>46104569
>Oi I repliez to me own postz because no one givez mez attention that I crave
Please try to contain your GW fanboyism to threads that talk about it. Don't you have parents to go beg money from to buy your new $50 model kit that gives you 3 jet bikes?
>>46110022
>TES: are seen as an insult to Malacath and are genocided.
I dunno, Malacath likes outsiders and the ugly. He'd probably love the oinky bastards.
(I think the biggest sin of Skyrim's visual direction was while they were making everyone look all pretty in response to all the "potato head" complaints about the previous games, they went and made the orcs pretty, too, as if they'd forgotten their own lore)
>>46087063
Because two nukes wasn't enough.
>>46114773
> 3 Jet Bikes
> Only $50
Holy Hell! Where are you finding these amazing discounts at?
>>46111647Cuckfish is da best
>>46114154
>whatever I fap to doesn't count
Keep telling deluding yourself.
>>46114097
Came here to post this.
Smith is best girl.
Nonhumans go and stay go.
>>46090451
I think it's interesting how the Japanese probably absorbed American culture on that point, but didn't really shift when things shifted towards green men.
>>46114097
>anything but a harem end
Don't hold your breath, the author likes his following too much to do that.
>>46115287
>Implying Smith is human
>>46095936
That sounds like a bit of a bullshitty story, considering how crazy GW was going with Space Marine colors at times.
I wish I could track it down, but there was one issue where it showed Dark Angels that were orange and black.
>>46115007
I didn't find most races particularly pretty. I honestly thought most of the elves became more alien and strange, set apart from normal people.
Dunmer still sexy though.
>>46115298
Probably because the subsequent desciptions of Orc were based on the earlier Japanese desciptions, which were based on the 1st edition Monster Manual art.
Although you do sometimes see green or/and non-pork orcs in Japanese media as well.
>>46115364
RT had Marines with differnt colour schemes a lot more often. Back then they actually wore camo and stuff. DA did at some poitn change from black to green, though: them being black pre-Heresy is a nod to their original colourscheme, but I'm not sure what led to the change.
>>46115621
isn't that a dude?
>>46115640
Probably realizing they had three chapters with black colors, and they needed to mix things up.
Or it might have been because of the Angels of Death codex - the Dark Angels and the Blood Angels used to be rolled in one codex, so it might have been confusing for there to be Death Company marines with their black armor and red saltires, and for there to be Dark Angels with black armor and red markings.
>>46115698
I have no idea, but I'm going to say girl anyway.
>>46115797
I'm gunna say dude cause that's what gets my dick hard
>>46115128
There are literally people out there who do not appreciate Mero's enormous growth as a character.
From cuckfish to murderfish to kind, gentle maidenfish.
>>46117260
Not exactly been following the manga, so I don't really know anything about the characters they kept introducing as it went on. Why do people call her cuckfish and murderfish?
>>46115698
Who cares? If it's pretty, fuck it.
Besides, it's not gay if it's an elf.
>>46117454
Mero, like most of her species, are enamored with the concept of "tragic love." This can mean anything from falling in love with someone you could never have, or falling in love with someone who dies or becomes sickly.
For Mero, she initially wanted nothing more than to hook Darling up with Miia and be the side-girl, yearning for his affection as a mistress. Eventually, Mero realized she hated this because, surprise surprise, watching someone you love be with someone else *hurts*, so she goes from cuckolding herself to "tragedy", which had Mero constantly (either intentionally or not) putting Darling in deadly situations, often at risk of drowning.
This aspect of her changed when we met her mother, who actually tried to kill Darling for real. During the rescue, Mero sacrificed herself to save Darling (but was saved at the last second) which made Mero realize The Little Mermaid wasn't about tragic love, it was about true love.
Now Mero's totally on-board with the harem end, because she understands many girls loving Darling does not diminish or cheapen her own love for him.
>>46114062
>>46111647
>No mention of Ms. Smith
From Orc Thread to Monsume thread. Impressive /tg/ I approve
Who is the best non-harem non-MON girl and why is it Luz?
>>46118300
it's the yuki onna girl
>>46089608
All greenskins must be purged
>>46118271
We used to go from furry waifu threads to intricacies of astrophysics and fine tea. Now we go from monstrous race to a bunch of monstrous race waifus. And someone is actually impressed by this. How the mighty have fallen...
>>46118530
Hey, not much survived the mod purges. Gotta be impressed where we can.
>>46118585
Sad thing is that kind of thing kept happening long after mod purges. Fact is that the reason this place changed so much is the new generation of anons isn't up to the old standards.
>>46118658
>Anonymous site where things can be discussed
>Has a reputation for shitposting
>Other forums provide better discussion areas for high-level concepts
Is it really any surprise?
>>46118693
>Other forums provide better discussion areas for high-level concepts
But they don't. The only thing other places provide is more moderation and lack of anonymity.
>>46111224
Should that be 'cucklefish' or am I trying too hard?
>>46118817
If you yourself have doubts then it's pretty much certain that you are.
>>46118658
That's because the new generation is a bunch of off-site normalfags.
>>46118741
>More moderation
>lack of anonymity
As much as I enjoy being able to speak my opinion without being ostracized if the mods don't agree with it, being put on a platform where they can be held accountable for your statements encourages people to consider and source their statements, as well as speak on the level demanded of the forum (which can vary widely). It's also harder to change the subject in such a forum, leading to slightly better focus in some situations and unnecessary stifling in others.
Here, it's easy for some sixteen-year-old to come online and decide he's going to join the 'cool kids club' and shitpost because he's anonymous and he heard about 4chan online, even more so because the amount of people who can surf the web has expanded greatly.
Excuse my armchair sociology, that's just my thought process on it.
>>46118988
With the issue of having a name also has the issue of a reputation or being favored on that forum.
>>46118988
>being put on a platform where they can be held accountable for your statements encourages people to consider and source their statements, as well as speak on the level demanded of the forum
Toplel
Being named encourages ass-kissing, walking on eggshells and holding on to completely wrong opinions just to save face. Normalfaggotry and social conformism are cyanide to honest discussion and creativity.
And that's not even going into moderators abusing their powers, moderating based on opinions, and hordes of radical leftists and faggots with soccermom-level ideals chasing everyone else out (numerous examples like rpgnet, SA,..)
>>46111647
Absolutely correct.
I would have personally marked Tio as 3a instead and given an extra shake of my fist at Lala for wasted potential.Also Draco a qt.
>>46114062
She's like 5%-10% more furry than normal monster girls. Annoying, but not insurmountable.
>>46119178
You're right on a lot of points, even though I don't think that holds on all forums.
Being anonymous encourages shitposting and randumbdry, to be perfectly honest, which is about as or less poisonous than conformity.
I suppose the real issue is a double-edged sword.
>Anonymous sites let anyone who can speak speak whatever they want to- lowest common denominator included
>Named sites leave the group heavily subservient to the moderators and their abuses.
Even though I'm acting as the devil's advocate for named sites, I come here because I enjoy discussing things without having to bother about someone quoting me and tearing me a new anus or kicking me off the site if I'm not a complete jackass.
Which is the whole point, I guess.
>>46119603
>Even though I'm acting as the devil's advocate for named sites, I come here because I enjoy discussing things without having to bother about someone quoting me and tearing me a new anus or kicking me off the site if I'm not a complete jackass.
I'm with you on this. One of the biggest flaws of name-using sites is that it's harder to offer any legitimate critique because even if you phrase it well, people will think you're an asshole, think you're trolling and the like and will try and get you banned.
The greatest advantages of being anon is the ability to post truths rather than just avoiding the subject.also seriously why is there not more actual porn of this chinese cartoon? not here I mean just in general
Plus the ability to post things like that, shame-free.
The original comics where every single comic depicted the dude living with a different girl and it turned out he was a set of sextuplets or something like that, was a more elegant solution, I thought.
Also they had porn
Oh jesus I just realized it's just a matter of time before they make an anime out of the Orc and slutty elf comic
>>46119603
Yeah, both ahve their pros and con.
On an anynymous board you can speak more freely, since you don't have to worry about people associating your comments with you or dragging them up later to use against you, and every comment must be judged by its own merits. On the other hand, same anonymity means everybody can shitpost as much as they want.
Meanwhile on a non-anomymous boards you can't shitpost without getting banned and people can connects the things you say to you, which should foster a more polite and on-topic discussion. Also posts tend to stay around for a longer time than on 4chan where anything not archived falls off the board and disappears forever pretty quickly. On the other hand, such forums were easily turn into circlejerks where the mods ban people they don't like, people suck up to "famous" posters who have been around for a long time, and perfectly good opinions may be ignored or met with hostility because the person presenting them has only recently joined and therefore their opinion have less value than those of somebody with thousands of posts.
Personally I prefer the freedom granted by anonymity.
>>46119835
>>46119909
Good points.
The biggest appeal for me of a named site is the ability to know who you're talking to, as well as their 'site cred'.
Easier to keep track of good posters and ignore bad ones.
>>46111647
>1. Miia
Opinion discarded.
