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Old Thread: >>46042423
No, the actual thread is here. >>46047063
No, go here:
>>46042426
>>46047082
That's the cutest fucking mount and mountee.
Is it just me, or does that Summoner look a lot like Homura?
>>46049874
There's unmistakably some inspiration going on there.
>>46049874
>Magical child
>The magical child archetype covers the "magical girl" trope, with a transformation sequence ability (faster switch between identities, but with flashy lights and music), summoner spells, and an otherworldly buddy.
I see what you did there paizo
>>46048005
Which is which?
>>46052369
Well the one's clearly a girl.
>>46047082
>All-Vigilante Party
And thus did PF become M&M.
Holy shit that magical girl is the cutest thing ever.
>>46049874
She looks a little too happy and friendly to be Homura.
>>46047082
I'm genuinely surprised there are people working at Paizo who are aware of, and seemingly support, magical girls.
>>46052554
Better?
>>46052579
Nice try Homerun but I know that deep down, you're just an evil bitch.
>>46052567
My money is that is was either Mark, or one of the Editing Staff who sneaked it in.
>>46049874
It's undoubtedly homura.
Just look at the stockings.
>>46052590
You just don't understand AI YO
What kind of items, armor and weapons were included in Ultimate Intrigue?
I want to know if my dreams of playing a suave merchant with a hidden arsenal of effective implements is possible.
>>46052567
At the very least, their PR department definitely knew what was going on. Every post advertising UI lately explicitly mentioned the magical girl... erm... I mean magical child archetype.
>>46052590
>evil
Have you ever loved someone so much you borked the universe for them?
I didn't think so.
>>46052729
The road to Hell is paved with goodor selfishintentions.
I should know, given who my favorite meguca is.
>>46052671
And sadly everything I was looking forward to in that book has been a disappointment
>>46052749
Pfft. Mami stands head and shoulders over all the others.
>>46052753
What you don't like the spontaneous casting druid archetype* they promised?
* warning: contains no actual spontaneous casting.
>>46047082
So... besides the thematics, what's the magical child supposed to do in general, with 1pp only?
Let's pick say, level 7.
Combat:
>Haste the party
>Grease/Glitterdust/Summon Monster all adventuring day (all five minutes of it)
>Make fairly mediocre weapon attacks for maybe 1d8+5, unless you want to be a STR magical girl which kind of misses the point of the archetype
Out of combat
>Do the CHA face stuff
>I'm really not sure what else the social talents help with that any other CHA character can't do
>You'll probably end up with a low WIS and getting tricked by a bunch of suspicious old men
>>46052778
I thought it wasn't awful at first, because CHA casters are all spontaneous according to paizo.And then it was pointed out to me that they actually had no spontaneous casting at all, alongside delayed wildshape, nerfed wildshape, and half bab.
>>46052729
>Have you ever loved someone so much you borked the universe for them?
What, like so many Neutral Evils that fall in love? Like Greta, that Elf girl that posts here, andTamamo-no-Mae?
>>46052580
>Anon who said she's just a girl? It's possible she's stuck with a bulge in addition to a baby bump
But she's not stuck in a specific form, just stuck with a certain gender. Since having a bady is the whole reason she's stuck, if she can be a futa in the first place then she should continue being able to take any female or futa form while pregnant.
>>46052786
>You'll probably end up with a low WIS and getting tricked by a bunch of suspicious old men
Thus the true purpose of the MC becomes apparent.
>>46052729
Being willing to sacrifice everything for the person you love is not unique to one meguca,exchange student
I've heard there's a Cardinal archetype for Pathfinder, what are the details?
>>46052809
Oh, but you get 8 spells from the illusion or enchantment schools. And ALL THREE social skills (CAN YOU EVEN CONTAIN THAT MUCH OVERPOWERED GARBAGE IN ONE CHARACTER?).
>>46052786
>>46052828
Magical girls are not for sexual, leave that to the wizards.
Like Tohsaka Rin, she already pleases old men for money.
>>46052862
It's a crapier version of the 3.5 Cloistered Cleric
Which makes it a better version of the PF Cloistered Cleric Archetype
>>46052862
Light armor, half bab, one domain, 6 skill points per level. 10/10 it's ok, would become a scheming cardinal looking to usurup power from some kind of pontific figure.
>>46052862
>>46045259
6+int skills per level
Light armor proficiency
half bab
no spontaneous casting
only one domain.
>>46052862
Over here: >>46045259
Is the full leak somewhere?
>>46052773
Mami became meguca for selfish reasons, but in the end she was willing to stick her neck out for her friends.
>>46052862
>Implying the student didn't supplant the master
>>46052809
>>46052877
Sadly Paizo shows once again that they can come up with a really great concepts that were already done and fuck them up.
>but in the end she was willing to stick her neck out for her friends.
>stick her neck out
Oh you
>>46052921
Not yet, but a kindly anon leaked the vigilante and a bunch of archetypes last night starting at >>46044249
>>46052934
>>46052862
>mfw I'm filled with inspiration to build a Cardinal dedicated to climbing the political ladder
>mfw I realize absolutely none of the Golarion deities really have a hierarchy besides Aroden and Asmodeus
>mfw I realize Aroden is dead and his church along with him
>>46052942
>a really great concepts that were already done
Is there a good sneaky druid-type class out there, other than the unsatisfying urban druid?
>>46052880
I keep seeing this meme
Please explain
>>46052965
thanks also kindly anon
>>46053056
Gem magic is very expensive, and money doesn't grow on trees, you know.google Tohsaka-ke no Kakei Jijou
>>46053020
Iomedae crusade hierarchy
Torag church hierarchy
Pharasman Penitence hierarchy
>>46053056
Rin is the Reimu of the Nasuverse.
She'll do anything for a quick buck, and she *needs* those bucks.
>>46047082
>totally not Homura,jpg
>>46053020
It's because they mostly lack centralization. With the exception of Asmodeus and Zon-Kuthon there's no place with such a specific state religion, and there's no supreme religious head. It's a pretty Lawful-alignment thing, so if you wanted to do it and don't want to be flat evilevilevil, maybe a cleric of Abadar in Taldor?
>>46053110
>Implying Iomedae isn't run by Paladins > Clerics
>Implying you should let anyone play a Dwarf
>>46053118
>implying Reimu does not first need to be taught about those things before she does them for donations
Clerics are not high on the Int.
>>46052749
>the homuhater is a sayakafag
why I'm not surprised
>>46053125
Is there a reason Paizo designed their world this way? I mean we've already learned through the Silver Flame and Sovereign Host that highly centralized religions are not only possible, but they can work in the context of a fantasy setting.
They're leaving out something that could be a campaign unto itself.
>>46053172
Do they self-insert into one-sided love or something? I think I never saw a sayakafag before.
>>46052786
Use familiar. Depending on its archetype Mauler,Mascot,Protector can be pretty useful in combat. Especially since MC can have archetype improved familiar.
DR/Magic isn't too good but it is nifty against creatures with natural attack.
I guess you can go with Archery route since you can pick up combat feat via talent and you are proficient with longbow? Personally I might go with power attack Estoc though. That should be around 2d4+12 with 14 STR, power attack and lethal grace.
>>46053172
I already pointed out my terrible decision, but I, like Sayaka, am consumed by a sense of justiceand probably jealousy.
>>46053045
The Elusive Wildling archetype for the Beguiler does a pretty good job flavorwise. It's not great compared to a vanilla Druid from an optimization standpoint (no wildshape and while the arcane spell selection is better than Fey Speaker, the Beguiler spell list is way worse than the Druid spell list on the whole).
>>46053163
>Clerics are not high on the Int.
>Implying Reimu did not learn all those things in shrine maiden school
There's a doujin of this, you know.
>>46053172
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of Homura getting schooled and too proud to admit she done fucked up.
>>46052786
Okay, looking over the list, some actually useful social talents:
>Quick Change
This is pretty much a tax.
>Mockingbird
Imitate any voice, and throw your voice at will, as if using similar spells. Good utility.
>Renown
Not sure about this one. Useless on its own except for how it creates a mechanical imperative for the GM to give you something that should be a roleplay reward. However, is a tax for a number of other things.
>Feign Innocence
Constant Innocence spell effect. Just a flat +10 to bluffs about innocence. Not bad, but needs renown.
>In Vogue
All items you make with a chosen craft skill are worth 1/3 more. I doubt any GM will actually let you get away with this, but while one of its prereqs only applies to mundane items, nothing in RAW explicitly stops this talent from doing that. Take master craftsman, craft expensive magic items, reap huge profits. Tax heavily and will probably get errata'd.
>Many Guises
+20 to disguise as an ordinary NPC.
Ehhh, maybe useful if your campaign is investigation-heavy. (Unlike a bunch of the other social talents which are useless even then)
If the rest of your party isn't vigilante I hope you like solo infiltration missions.
>Subjective Truth
Lies count as truth for any magic that interacts with truth and lies, as long as they're true for your current identity. You probably want this. Feels kind of taxlike. Your dual identities already beat divinations, they should have this built-in too.
>Safe House
Fun. Not sure how useful it is, but you get a batcave. Foil divinations. Can't be moved without Renown.
Almost everything else seems kind of useless.
>>46053215
They are quite rare. At anime conventions I see fat Mami, thick Madoka, the occasional round Kyoko and... dammit are the Homura cosplayers seriously fit?! But nobody even cosplays Sayaka. Nobody cares about justice.
>>46053217
>sayaka
>justice
ayy
>>46053231
She literally did nothing wrong
>>46053210
It's because organized religion is Lawful, and a Pure and Good religion can never Lawful since Lawful can never be good.
I hate myself for writing this
>>46053215
They like sluts
>>46053210
Well, for one thing, that would probably be geared towards more lawful characters, which Paizo does not like. For another, right after we've seen the results of Ultimate Intrigue, do you really want to see what Paizo would do to yet another interesting concept?
What are some good hard-and-fast blanket rules for allowing Sudden Metamagic versions of EVERY metamagic feat?
Hello PFG! Super excited to let you know that the full PDF of Path of War: Expanded is finally available for sale on our website. Have a link:
http://dreamscarred.com/product/path-of-war-expanded/Y'all can call me super shill now
>She literally did nothing wrong
You mean besides railroading the entire universe to what she thinks is correct, overriding the will of her best friend because she couldn't face facts?
>>46053216
>Depending on its archetype Mauler,Mascot,Protector can be pretty useful in combat.
Except.
You are forced to upgrade the familiar to an improved familiar and it's stuck in that new form in vigilante mode until level 9.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/improved-familiar
>improved familiars do not gain the ability to speak with other creatures of their kind
This makes Mauler, Mascot and Protector incompatible with any Improved Familiars.
>>46053210
>Is there a reason Paizo designed their world this way? I mean we've already learned through the Silver Flame and Sovereign Host that highly centralized religions are not only possible, but they can work in the context of a fantasy setting.
>Implying the Not!Catholic Church would make for a fun organization to work with, deal with, or fight with in a fantasy setting.
>>46053045
>>46053229
I just wanted to point out that the elusive wildling is getting a bit of a face lift right now. You can find the playtest updated version at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6bKY5cuGjh9SENNYUhDRF90S2M/
>>46053301
I-Is it finally here?
Is the eternal wait finally over after we were said 'to expect it around christmas'?
Not complaining at all, the hype for this blows Ultimate Intrigue completely out of the water.
>>46053273
>he hasn't seen Rebellion!
>>46053301
>>46047082
>Ultimate Intrigue and PoW:E in the same week
>Armor Master's Handbook scheduled at the end of the month
I have mucho boner
>>46053323
But the Magical Child doesn't actually get the Improved Familiar feat with its limitation-the Animal Guide merely chooses a form from the IF creature list as its vigilante identity.
Sure, Paizo will probably errata that, but until then, I'mma call this loophole canon.
>>46053375
It's here. It'll be a couple more weeks before the Print version is ready to go but the full PDF is, in fact, here.
>>46053388
How much is that in 'Murican boners?
>>46053350
>Not fighting for the Catholic Church in all of its forms
>>46053301I bet you're Elric pretending to be an anon by taking his trip off pretending to be Elric by putting his trip back on, you shill.
>>46053301
Yo Elric I bought the PoW:E subscription but I don't think I actually registered for your website because I'm an idiot, how do I get this PDF?
>>46053301
>Martial style feats for all the different disciplines, including those originally found in Path of War like Iron Tortouise and Steel Wind
Oh boy I sure love Steel Wind and its synergy with Solar Serpent to make a stealthy long-poisoned ranger.
>>46053388
>Armor Master's Handbook
Implying it would be good.
>>46053404
>It'll be a couple more weeks before the Print version is ready to go
I though it would take at least couple of months to catch all the bugs in pdf release.
>>46053382
I did
AI YO
>>46053323
Read MC ability again anon. The familiar just change into creature on improved familiar list.
This is different from becoming improved familiar by RAW.
>>46053419
Nevermind I'm an idiot it did in fact update
Aw yesss.
>>46053474
Ah, ok good.
>>46053435
>Implying it would be good.
Why wouldn't it be? the Weapon Master's Handbook was pretty good; lots of really, really nice feats in there for martials, among other things. The only real stinker was the weapon creation system.
>>46053392
>>46053462
Huh.
So the Magical Child's niche is having the unique ability to get an improved mauler familiar?
That's... mechanically acceptable, but thematically counterintuitive.
And really does just make it 'Unchained Summoner: Intriguey Version'.
>>46047082
All this hate for the magical girl
I'm just here thinking it looks fun, if not especially unique
>>46053435
>I though it would take at least couple of months to catch all the bugs in pdf release.
It certainly could be longer than that. I'm just communicating what I was told by our layout guy.
>>46053210
Venomously I can just say that current Paizo hasn't done anything because they're terrible at setting design and so avidly against law/order/organization that a centralized church of any kind would be anathema to their ideals. But it comes from before the trifecta of terrible, and it's really at the core of the pantheon, being that there is a pantheon. One thing the Catholic Church has over the other religions of medieval Europe is that it is so adamantly against the other religions of medieval Europe. While Gozreh's clergy are rollicking in rain storms and Erastil's are getting more in touch with nature, the clergy of Abadar should be mobilizing the militant arm to drive them out and show them what a more organized religion can do for them (and to them). Abadar's the best choice in this regard, because a Lawful Good religion would not want to trample on others' beliefs in this way, and a Lawful Evil religion would not be so concerned with helping the people as to get entire multiple nations to convert to one religion. Such a religion is so highly organized it kind of necessitates the backing of a Lawful deity, though. However, the deities that would be driven out and their followers converted are real, as real as Abadar, and would likely fight back. You don't just have shirtless barbarians doing human sacrifice to vague ideas being beaten and baptized by skilled knights, you have powerful druids uprooting the very earth below the justicars invading their territory. Adding that most nations have multiple deities like this and it's little wonder no one has made such a church. Aroden gets special mention because he was the God of Humanity, giving the most prominent race a sense of unity the other deities cannot clone.
That's my two cents, back to Sayaka posting.
>>46053507
Never claimed it made the Magical Child amazing, but hey, Paizo were the ones who made it a pet class, we're just trying to do what we can with what we've got.
>>46053210
Probably "organised religion is bad" or something, knowing Paizo.
1st for best UI Archetype being Cabalist
>>46053507
Mascot is probably better thematically.
>>46053525
It's not a bad thing in itself - I mean, it's a caster, so it'll be at least tier 3.
Just didn't live up to the hype.
As >>46053507 mentioned, it's a vigilante summoner archetype with magical girl flavoring.
It's not the magical girl class people wanted.
Especially since it has to spend half its class features' design space on getting the Vigilante's social talents which are really underwhelming.
>>46053298
I was thinking about doing this. Generally it works with two simple rules (and an exception for Heighten):
>Once per day, you use the metamagic feat at the time of casting any spell, without adjusting its level.
The feat's prerequisite was loosely correlated to its spell level increase before. So the blanket rule for this is
>This feat has no prerequisite (even its original feat is not required) if it increases spell level by 2 or less. The prerequisite is 1 other metamagic feat for increases of 3, and 3 other metamagic feats for 4.
>For heighten spell and any other metamagic feats with variable spell level increases, you can use up to 2 level increases with its Sudden version.
>>46053590
It doesn't get any abberration summoning though and no "summon Cthulhu"
>>46053578
Yup. I'll exploit any loophole I found to make Magical Girl archetype viable.
>>46053590
You are so far from 1st I don't think you even know what that means.
>>46053619
Yeah, but it is close to the RL version of Gille, and its one of the closest we've gotten to a class themed around Blood Sacrifice
>>46053615
I dunno, it's.. pretty much exactly what I wanted, and better than I expected! The Unchained Summoner casting in particular is a bit odd, but what can you do!
>mfw Cardinal Cleric
Is there any reason to use this archetype over Herald Caller?
>>46053676
Paizo really, really want people to use the Unchained Summoner. They've even said that they consider it to be what the Summoner SHOULD be.
>>46053616
>>46053676
I just wish it stack with warlock... doesn't feel like a magical girl without a flashy finisher...
oh well...
>>46053649
What class would Prelati be then?
>>46053616
I'm sorry anon I just realized I'm not well enough to read rules text and asked for something I couldn't use. Please keep it for later.
>>46053698
The unchained summoner fucking sucks though because they flavor locked the eidolon. If they wanted people to use the Unchained Summoner then they shouldn't have made it infinitely less interesting than the summoner.
>>46053020
>>46053110
>>46053125
Don't forget Achaekek and his little satrap on Mediogalti Island!
>>46053698
Hate the flavor-locking. Hate it
Why can't I be aStand user?
Why would anyone play Metamorph over Fleshshaper? They got similar ability but one retain it 9th casting.
>>46053702
I will not. It's too small to feel like writing down,and no matter what I show and allow for my group including all manner of cool archetypes or PoW or homebrew, they will just show up with a bunch of rogues, fighters and sorcerers and ask what the basic rules are during play.
>>46053689
No. It just evokes really cool themes.
Hey, quick Rubato question.
Accelerando affects all allies who can perceive me with 'the effects of a haste spell as if cast by a bard of the rubato's class level'
Does that include duration?
>>46053576
Hey Elric, I'm looking to buy DSP's print books, but I noticed that you do large collections occasionally (Ultimate Psionics, Path of War Expanded). Is this a standard practice you guys do, make a large collection after you complete a line or individual releases? For example, should I wait until you publish a "Psionics Augmented" to buy the Augmented Psionics line rather than the individual books as they're released if I don't need the physical copies immediately? Or if I'm completely misunderstanding the publishing model, please let me know.
>>46053301
Out of curiosity, do you know when Akashic Mysteries will go to PDF?
>>46053525
If I wanted to play a magical girl, I'd go to F-list not Paizo.
>>46053902
It's meant to last for as long as the Rubato's performance lasts.
>>46053946
Ultimate Psionics includes everything printed up to the date that it was published for our Psionics product line.
Path of War: Expanded is Path of War 2 and is not a compilation, but an addition of new material.
The Augmented lines are all separate releases, though those released before Ult. Psi are included in Ult. Psi.
We're actually trying to move away from large compilation books because they have an unpleasant price point both for us as a publisher and for our customers. So I can't say for sure when/if we'll do another book like Ultimate Psionics.
>>46053954
I don't have anything close to an exact date. I know it's being worked on currently.
>>46053726
How can I forget that loveable guy whose poison does negative levels and can open a gate to any plane as a fucking move action and immediately bullrush you through it, then cease concentrating to close it. He has so much potential for fuckery that 'kek' is in his name.
>>46053301
Have you got a different link? This one doesn't seem to let me download it unless I've purchased it.
>>46054080
I don't follow.
Captcha, empty cups are not "coffee." They are the opposite of coffee.
>>46054023
Do you want us to post errors we find in the PoW:E PDF?
>>46054080
Anon, I...
>>46053946
>>46054023
To expand on what Elric's said - when we do a larger book, like Lords of the Mists, we often release it in pieces over the course of the playtest. Those pieces are for customers who might want a small preview before comitting to a subscription or a print copy, or who were only interested in one particular thing (such as just one class, or just the supplemental material) rather than the entire release.
Ultimate Psionics is a move that has yet to be repeated, partially because its shadow still lays heavy on us. Any theoretical "Ultimate Augmentation" or "Ultimate Path of War" would require a Kickstarter to do and be a fairly major move; you shouldn't bank on such a thing happening.
>>46054162
It looks like there's still some they missed, so I'd imagine yeah.
>>46054023
>>46054203
Okay, thanks for the info.
>>46054203
I don't know how this works but will POW:E be put in the SRD?
>>46054232
That'll be something you'll have to take up with the guy who runs the PFSRD. We'd like it to be put up, but it's his call when and how it's done.
>>46054232
When someone working for the srd people puts it up.
>>46047082
At last, I can become meguca.
>>46054232
Someone still needs to go and clean up the PoW:1 disciplines.
>>46054232
It will if you BELIVE IN YOURSELF~
No, really. PoW 1 isn't even fully/correctly in the PFSRD yet, and the big reason is that PFSRD is run by two guys, a truck, and whatever volunteers he can trust. We had an anon a few generals back, for instance, who added what was left from UltPsi to it - for which I remain extremely grateful, incidentally - but we here at Dreamscarred Press have no control over that. If you'd like to see it happen, you may have to do it yourself, or tag a friend who can.
If, ah, if such a thing does happen, we'd also be deeply grateful for the PoW 1 content getting updated and cleaned up.
>>46053946
It would be a pretty terrible business move for a publisher basically living hand-to-mouth. Think how many sales they'd lose on their piecemeal PDFs, sales that fund the writing of each next part, if everyone knew they could just wait for the final edition?
>>46049880
That goes a little past inspiration there, dangerously close to ripoff.
>>46054304
Pretty sure the word you're looking for is "deliberate homage".
>>46054302
That makes sense, I just wanted to confirm what their publishing model was before I dropped a hundred some-odd dollars on books.
>>46054321
Don't you mean Homurage?
>>46054321
The word is "lawsuit". God, I hope Paizo gets sued and shuts down.
>>46054339
CARLOS!
>>46054364
Nah, references are fair use.
>>46054364
Yeah, someone get ahold of John Q. Magicalgirl, patenter of the Magical Girl
>>46054364
Paizo getting shut down isn't good for our hobby. Paizo changing their outlook and approach is apotentiallymuch better hope.
Does a Magical Child stop being a Magical Child after 15? Do their class levels convert to Sorceress or Witch?
>>46054364
There's a thing called "fair use", anon. Tabletop games are fueled by this.
Also, if Paizo is shut down, who do we then shitpost about? DSP? I LIKE them.
>>46054389
Paizo is already dangerously close to shutting down, they're already operating on a skeleton crew.
>>46054393
White Wolf, Obsidian Path, whoever.
>>46054385
Speaking.
>>46054393
DSP is only liked because they're present in the generals, I can guarantee if they weren't here we'd find their setting and stories absolutely insufferable (because they're pretty much Paizo-quality.)
>>46054431
Maybe they need to go back to their original focus on "fun" rather than being so butthurt about social crap and MUH REVOLUTIONS all the time.
>>46054393
>Also, if Paizo is shut down, who do we then shitpost about?
5E?
>>46054447
DSP has a setting?No, third dawn doesn't count. Golarion was better.
>>46054447
Now there's an idea. Bring the Paizo people here. Maybe then they'll actually get some good criticism.
>>46054453
Pretty sure they need to go back to their original focus on "quality" senpai.
>>46054431
Has Paizo actually been dying these past years? I could've sworn they blasted record sales a while ago.
>>46054447
>>46054472
>They think Paizo isn't present in the thread
How fucking new.
>>46054390
Nah.
See, for most of them (Nanoha's tech excepted) the outfit doesn't actually... ya know
Change.
Now, these are all asian girls, mind, so they tend to age much more slowly in appearance until that strange threshold around 50 where one day there's a sudden explosion and all of a sudden there's a 4ft granny.
So while they'll still just stay magical girls 'round the end of highschool, by the time they're in their mid 20s, early 30s, it's really starting to stick out embarassingly sometimes...
Magical girls don't ACTUALLY lose their powers in adulthood or anything. But you try convincing a 40 year old woman to transform 10 years after she finally saw herself in the mirror wearing that.
>>46054472
They'd leave if they weren't allowed to ban people for being problematic.
>>46054390
>>46054497
>A 30-40 year old mother who is incredibly embarrassed by her Magical Child uniform, but is constantly forced to transform to fight monsters who attack her village
This actually sounds kind of funny.
>>46054445
John, what do you feel on the direction the magical girl genre has taken as a whole post-Madoka?
Which lesser-known show do you feel has best encapsulated your vision of the Magical Girl?
Do you think that magical girls suffer to an extent from Ivory Tower Design where some of the nuances of the genre aren't accessible as you'd like to newer fans?
>>46054508
>problematic
Tabletop gaming was invented by deviants, for deviants. How can you have fun telling stories and improving if everyone's walking on glass afraid to offend some triggered harpy's delicate sensibilities?
>>46054445
Which Meguca do you think is best?
>>46054497
What about Golarion's Magical Child?
Is there anything in the class that says they remain a child, or they lose their powers when they become old and busted?
Because I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Magical Child being a 28 yr old MILF.
>>46054547
And the flipside is 'how can the hobby get more popular if its community doesn't care about outsiders?'
I think Paizo's a mess too, but it's not like they're chaotic evil.
>>46054547
Don't play with harpies. Minotaurs are like 300% more fun and bro.
>>46054576
>Because I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Magical Child being a 28 yr old MILF.
Better yet, a 63 yr old GILF.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RnvxfcyHuFN86Sj4dNn6SsX_8RxEuOMNS8JuY8OJZ3Y/edit?usp=sharing
New kineticist stuff. I mostly forget what I did exactly since the last time I posted this, but rest assured it is different. Also made a new archetype:
Elemental striker
>much shorter range blasts 30 feet, 60 feet max with some infusions.
>loses raw to-hit bonuses from precision blasting
>instead increases the DC on EXPLOSIOOONS and other AoE stuff
>much more Strength SAD to compensate, getting strength to AC and reflex, as well as their ranged to-hit with kinetic blasts.
something something muscle wizard
>>46054547
Now you understand why Pathfinder's been slowly dying since Wrath of the Righteous (which was the first AP and published book to really display their colors.)
>>46054481
Paizo peaked around 2011, their decline intensifies rapidly after the release e5. They're getting destroyed on roll20.
>>46054576
Well it was pretty hot when she was a 16 year old milf, and when she was an 18 year old milf, but another 6 "romantic subplots" later and she's really let herself go.
Nevertheless, I applaud you, sir, for you are one of the rare entities on this tube of the nets to have considered MILFs as below goddamn 50.
>>46054585
>it's not like they're chaotic evil.
What is the alignment of rigorous censorship, anyway?
>>46054660
Chaotic Good, duh.
>>46054533
>>A 30-40 year old mother who is incredibly embarrassed by her Magical Child uniform
>milfs in too small costumes/skirts
>>46054660
Depends if you think evil is defined by the person's intentions or by some universal scale.
Probably lawful something.
>>46054680
>>46054668
Lawful Evil pretending to be Chaotic Good, then.
>>46054669
>tfw no more MILF Force threads
>>46054620
Man, when I was in high school one of my classmates missed her finals because she was pregnant. I don't even think she was a senior, I think she was a junior.
>>46054660
>rigorous censorship
That would be Lawful Neutral to Lawful Evil
>>46054614
Much like a dying star, Paizo has steadily been bloating in an effort to fuse ever more inefficient elements to sustain itself. Their focus has moved away from the easily consumable hydrogen to the far more flighty helium, which has always been more interested in working with itself than working with others. Slowly, we're going to see Paizo appeal to ever more esoteric elements until they hit iron, and when that happens they'll either fade away into a white dwarf or explode.
I've never been so enchanted with such a character as I have with this silly idea. I present all of you with my next PF Character.
Kitsune Magical Girl Vigilante with Hierloom Weapon (Dwarven Maulaxe) and Startoss Style progression with Axe Slide. Perfect Disguise (1) and Fox Form (3) for maximum Kitsune, Fox (1) > Fire Elemental (3) > Pipefox (7) familiar progression.
Buffs and Heals the party. Trips enemies. Is as cute as a button.
Feat Progression:
1 - Realistic Likeness
2 - Sliding Axe Throw
3 - Fox Form
5 - Point Blank Shot
6 - Star Toss Style; Weapon Focus (Ioun Stone)
7 - Star Toss Comet
9 - Star Toss Shower
Or should I skip the style and just take Two-Weapon Fighting and Rapidshot?
>>46054754
Or they could actually release some martial classes that aren't total ASS.
>>46054588
>Better yet, a 63 yr old GILF.
>Kitsune GILF Magical Girls
>>46054768
That's what I'm trying to say, they're never going to release a good martial class because they've moved beyond trying to appeal towards the people who want good martial classes.
Is it possible to get into this autism without buying anything but a few dice?
>>46054447
>I am new
>>46054804
You don't even need to buy dice if you use an online die roller.
>>46054804
>Is it possible to get into this autism without buying anything but a few dice?
Yes, because most of the material is on the PFSRD.
All you need is dice, a working internet connection and some character sheets.
>>46054780
Age doesn't matter as long as she's got the ~Ara Ara down.
>>46054756
I'd protect that smile.
>>46054804
Use the PFSRD, all the rules are available freely there.
Hell, you don't even need to buy dice, you can try and find a game on roll 20, an online virtual tabletop.
>>46054723
Same happened here, year I graduated, but she was a senior. Rich, though, so she just spent 6 months out of school "due to an allergic reaction from going to the dentist's" during which time her mother mysteriously gave birth to a little brother.
Fuck, the year before some girl in junior got married and the kid "was born very prematurely", couldn't have been more than 14, but her folks were mighty religious. That is to say, they tried to quietly have her abort, but since most of the school (and thus parents) knew before they did, the only way to save face was if "they were married all along".
Had that kid in my class a few years back. That girl was *fucked up*.
>>46054576
>I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Magical Child being a 28 yr old MILF
Is it really that hard?
>>46054814
What? I've been here long before DSP ever came here.
Besides their work on PoW and psionics, the stories and characters they've been pumping out are lackluster at best, and downright JJ-tier at worst.
>>46054818
I was always more of a fan of the Ora Ora myself.
>>46054745
I don't think censorship goes on the Good/Evil axis, only the Lawful/Chaotic axis.
So I want to create a magical enhancement, call it Beam, that allows you to fire a ray of force from the enchanted weapon that deals the base weapon damage (so for a longsword, 1d8) plus the weapon enhancement value in force damage as an attack action. Does this make sense, mechanically, and if so, what would the appropriate enhancement amount be? +2? +3?
>>46054842
Is deeply religious getting abortions common? Seems they'd be against that quite a bit, maybe disown the daughter at least instead.
>>46054723
There was this pregnant Hispanic chick in my Spanish class during my junior year, but I think the chick was a senior.
>>46054818
>Age doesn't matter as long as she's got the ~Ara Ara down.
Kitsune are the master of ~Ara Ara, that's kinda their thing.
>>46054853
If you've got feedback on my writing, I'm always listening.
Hey DSP guys where should I report errors in the POW:E pdf? I already found 2:
p2 Polymath isn't listed in the table of contents.
p85 "Killer’s Implements (Ex): The stalker chooses a melee
weapon he is proficient with, and gains the benefits
of the Weapon Finesse and __Deadly__ feats when
using that weapon, even if that weapon could not
normally be used with those feats."
>>46054472
Paizo is too thin-skinned against criticism for that. They regularly disregard input from their own playtesting (when they actually do it) if the results are anything other than dickriding their original ideas. They regularly ban people from their site who speak up against status quo for being 'problematic'.
>Paladin (Chosen One)
>Vigilant (Magical Child)
>???
>???
What completes this?
>>46054603
I completely missed that AP since my group wasn't really on board with the whole mythic thing. What was the nature of the Paizoderp that happened in that one?
>>46054974
>Aegis (literally any of them)
>Anyone with a halfway decent disguise check and sleeves of many garments.
Wait, Unchained Summoner list for Magical Child instead of Witch or Wizard?! WTH? Isn't Unchained Summoner the worse of the 2 Summoners?
>>46054974
>Aegis (Base)
>Mystic (Knight-Chandler)
>>46054894
That is why they worship AraAra~stil.
>>46055018
Yep! You're welcome.
>>46054876
These things only ever apply to *other people*. That's the whole point. The louder someone screams out against something that really shouldn't be affecting them at all, the more skeletons are in that closet, usually.
Take Santorum's stance on gays, for example:
>“If people thought about gay sex as much as I do, they’d understand how disgusting it is.”
Think about that.
The point is, if pregnancy is a shameful punishment for horrific acts that go against god's will, it looks REALLY bad on your parenting skills if your little girl's the one caught in the family way. It's SO great when it happens to that bitch of a neighbor's kids though right? Well, we can't let some little... indiscretion let us look bad. Let's fix this little mistake before anyone else notices; we're special after all, not like those "ghetto moms"
All of these things, whether
>Fucking little boys
>Getting fucked by truckers in an airport bathroom
>Putting electrified slave collars on women
>Having any kind of privacy
>Having access to some kind of medical assistance
>Having access to Porn
>Getting education
All of these things such important aspects of your life, and yet, even though you claim you're one of God's chosen, if EVERYONE can get them, YOU. ARE. NOT. SPECIAL.
Only those above the law or able to get all of these delicious taboos are the true masters. Anyone can own a house or car, but only you, the CHOSEN ONES, can have doctors, altarboys, and can give your daughters abortions when it's yours.
Kind of like how the Pathfinder Society (in-game organization I mean) claims they're a force for good!
>>46055018
Unchained Summoner is the one allowed in PFS so it's the one they push from now on. Even though any Vigilante would probably be a poor option for PFS, since it's just battle simulator.
>>46054756
...Alternatively I could use the Combat Feat and Rogue Talent of the Vigilante to get Magical Tail feats and get all Nine-Tails for my Mahou Shoujo by level 10. I really like the idea of a vigilante Kitsune with Realistic Likeness, though. And if you have a fox-familiar you really should have Fox Form.
But throwing axes...
>>46054996
It was the first AP that really showed how Paizo's been rotting from the inside for a while now;
>Mythic was a bloated untested mess that was sloppily thrown into an AP that was designed for non-mythic play
>First AP to be rife with the social justice progressive bullshit we've come to associate with Paizo
>Also the first AP to really have a ham-fisted "fuck you" approach towards Lawful alignments, such as the debacle with Iomedae and the hyping of Chaotic Goods like Desna and Arueshalae.
>>46055061
And vigilante by raw would be silly in PFS.
>You try to talk your way past the guards
>Doesn't work, combat begins
>The vigilante runs off to change disguises for five minutes
>Returns pretending he wasn't who he used to be
I really hope they rule that your party members are allowed to know your disguise.
>>46054996
The big one is what I sometimes see people refer to as "Trumpetgate". At one point, the party is forcibly whisked away to an audience with Iomedae herself-she then proceeds to quiz the PCs on RIGHTEOUS TRIVIA FACTS, and if they get any wrong, they'll get blasted for increasingly high sonic damage (on the third failure, the damage is high enough to oneshot squishy classes). If anyone mouths off at this treatment, they'll be permanently cursed with blindness (I think; may have been deafness), and attacking her will result in your alignment turning CE. If you're nice and play along, she gives you a present you can use to fight evil. If you call her out on her violent insanity, you don't get the present, and you're still expected to fight evil.
>>46054867
An at-will source of force damage, likely as a touch attack, can be fairly powerful, +2 at least.
Is it a standard action to fire it once or can you fire it multiple times as a full-attack? If it just does base weapon damage, how does it interact with items/feats/spells that alter the effective weapon damage for an attack such as lead blades, gravity clip, vital strike, etc.?
>>46055115
It's amazing to me that they managed to fuck up "YO, HEROES! PLEASE GO RESCUE MY HERALD, KAY THANKS!"
We should at least be allowed to call in a mediator god for that encounter. Iomedae might be more patient if Shelyn's watching.
Hi /pfg/ I have a question about how to make something happen and how it would work.
I'm making a small gang of young punks as NPCs, one of which will be a gothic lolita with necromancy powers. She has a crow familiar, which is actually the spirit of a once-living person. One of their 'friends' is the now-mindless undead body that was the crow's former life, disguised to look mostly alive. Current tentative background is that the crow befriended her and later asked her and her pals (who aren't relevant here) to go retrieve his body to control, which maybe he didn't approve of being a monster that goes around biting people, I don't know.
>>46055115
Trumpets was the climax of all the bullshit that was going on in Wrath of the Righteous that most people would've put up with because complaining about it would be seen as "overreacting."
The reason people hate it so much isn't the lone act itself, but the entire AP built around it. Reign of Winter had a weird "Caves of Femininity" book but nobody complains about *that* because Reign of Winter is actually good.
>>46055087
>First AP to be rife with the social justice progressive bullshit we've come to associate with Paizo
Was Wrath of the Righteous the first AP to really highlight this stuff? I remember a transsexual in CotCT and a lesbian here and there in Kingmaker or Reign of Winter.
>>46055084
Nah, a kitsune who throws axes and feels self-conscious of how few tails she has sounds cuter.
And involuntarily *poof*-ing into a fox when frightened or embarrassed sounds adorable.
>tfw you can't be a mahou shoujo without eating shit with that terrible archetype
Why, Paizo? I trusted you!
Got ahold of PoW:E, and these are some of the thoughts so far.
-Entire Maneuvers section 100% lacks bookmarks for... some reason, despite every other section having them. It's incredibly annoying to browse as-is.
-Tempest Gale is still kinda crap. It's just overall disappointing, and nothing really stands out as all that useful. With how the system works, none of the options in it really give you a good reason to use them over just full-attacking the enemy with whatever weapon you have. This point has been brought up in the threads multiple times. Aint shit been done about it.
-Piercing Thunder is literally, aside from maybe Steel Serpent, the weakest discipline. The early strikes require a Charge, which means no strikes if you get in close and then need to hit people. Everything in it's just kinda shit. Oh hey, it gets ranged maneuvers! Too bad that none of them return your weapon natively, and it's therefore ass.
-Style feats are actually decent. Several of them got buffed. Primal Fury's capstone style is legit.
-Harbringer still nerfed from playtest without a lot of reason for it. It needs to go back to the full int scaling it had.
-Wording on a few feats might need work. Animus Healing might possibly allow you to heal for no cost at levels 1-3.
-Reverents of the Lance references Lords of the Wheel in it. Presumably an error.
-Sultanate of Beggers gives you a bonus to CMB against stuff. That's not how that works.
-Cirque de la Fume only ignores AoOs on Strikes. Given that 99% of all the Tempest Gale and Solar Wind strikes are complete fucking ass, that proooobably ought to be changed.
-Acolytes of the Arrow don't gain exotic proficiency because ???. Cmon here. We know that exotic weapon proficiency is a shit feat and that nobody in their right mind would take it except under some SERIOUSLY crazy circumstances, because it's awful. There's not really a reason for them to not get exotics.
>>46055191
Wrath of the Righteous wasn't the first ones to have these things, but it was the first AP to have them in a really ham-fisted, "fuck you, deal with it" sort of way.
Essentially every single character you run into with WotR are transsexual or some shade of queer, and the few that aren't are either *literally demons* or presented as tired assholes who are either too old and busted to show their sexuality, or too damn busy.
>>46055137
The way I've worded it, is its an attack action, meaning you can fire it multiple times based on your BAB. It uses the base weapon's crit range/multiplier. The damage is Base Damage + Magical Effects, so if it's also a Flaming weapon it does +1d6 fire damage as well, ect. You do not get STR bonus to damage, natch.
I would also treat it as a ranged attack for the purpose of feats, so Deadly Aim, Point-Blank Shot, ect would affect it.
>>46055213
>And involuntarily *poof*-ing into a fox when frightened or embarrassed sounds adorable.
>Magical Girl Kitsune who's terrified of dogs
>The Ranger has a wolf familiar
>>46055238
>Animus Healing might possibly allow you to heal for no cost at levels 1-3.
What?
>Once per encounter, you can spend up to one point of animus as a move action to heal 2d6 hit points.
That's not no cost, it's negligible cost, but hardly no cost.
>>46055275
>The ranger's wolf animal companion is in love with the fox form of the Kitsune Magical Girl
>>46054588
>>46054576
>>46054620
>>46054780
May I offer an argument for 28 year old+ magical child, granted she is also probably a Mythic character, but you get the idea.
She is certainly older than the proposed 28 year old MILF or 63 year old GILF.
>>46055115
There's several important other details to note there.
First, it breaks any non-interference covenants the pantheon may have. By Iomedae doing this, what's to stop any other god from doing so? Why haven't they telefragged entire cultures of enemy religions or even just people they don't like already? Wouldn't it be JUST as okay for Zon-Kuthon to grab half a dozen here and there and give them a pop-quiz on pain with similar no-win conditions?
Second, It annihilates her alignment. This should be self-explanatory, but for those who were weaned on 24 and an old chimp telling them a bunch of weather balloons were weapons of mass destruction: Torture isn't just an evil act, it's also a VERY USELESS way of getting information, because people will take any bits you've fed them and find new ways to put them together just to make the pain stop just a bit. That means more bullshit to sift through, and often with not a shred of fact to show for it.
Third, the complete lack of divine intervention against this is flabbergasting. You could be a paladin of Torag, and because you tried to shield an ally from this angry bitch murdering him with sonic damage, you're blind, deaf, dumb, and somehow Chaotic Evil now? WHY THE FUCK would any god allow this to occur without immediate and massive, massive retribution? What does it mean to your standing if you just let yourself get trampled like that?
Finally, the questions themselves she asks are all fucking rigged. One requires specific knowledge of a goddess' history - one that may very well NOT BE YOURS, one requires you to be hesitant about something you've had literally an ENTIRE CAMPAIGN REVOLVING AROUND THIS TO DECIDE AND STEEL YOURSELF ABOUT, one requires you to be absolutely certain about something you shouldn't be sure at all about, and finally, unless you get everything just right, even though SOMEHOW this is a "test to see if you're ready", she forces you on the mission anyways but without materiel support.
>>46055287
I know how it's meant to be, but I could see someone attempting to go "You can totally just spend 0, since it's 'Spend 0-1 points of animus to heal 2d6'" and being an ass. It's negligible healing anyway so it isn't a huge deal, but still.
>>46055326
No, I didn't see that, my eyes just glazed right over the up to. I can actually see the argument now, even if it's dumb and not intended.
>>46055287
No, scratch all this, I'm dumb and can't read.
>>46055191
I don't remember a tranny in CotCT, or anything about the characters in Kingmaker. Reign of Winter has a lesbian couple (or just a lesbian, it might have been one-sided?) and the whole dungeon of femininity where a half-elf dude fell in love with a changeling and after being there just decided to become a girl. And while the lesbo cleric is of Milani (the trend begins?) these two are more on the CN scale of things, if I remember correctly. All the SJW-type characters in WotR are Good and pure. And dumb. There's a drug addict and the kind Shelynite cleric that helps him get clean and get reamed, and the female Half-Orc Paladin who sold her family's demon-killing sword (RIGHT NEXT TO THE WORLDWOUND) to buy an overpriced gender-swap potion for her sexually confused boyfriend so that he could become her wife. What romance options are left? The risen Succubus? She'll still drain you down. The traitorous Halfling bard you can redeem? Can't romance her, that'd be problematic! Queen Galfry? Queen Galfry is not for sexual. Sorry, just sit back and bask in the purity of all this gay trans love.
And mythic sucks dick.
>>46055115
Anon you're responding to here, thank you for the answer. So basically they had Iomedae sabotage her own case? Holy fuck that's some shit right there.
Damn, and I really liked Iomedae as well. She seemed a little less one-dimensional with the whole angle of trying to fill a big pair of godly shoes and live up to an image while simultaneously smiting all the evil. Do I have to find a new god now? Because that seems highly unworthy of deserving paladin-ship. Sarenrae ain't so bad, I guess.
>>46055303
Pipefox Familiar gets jealous
>>46055387
Just ignore her appearance in WotR and it'll probably be fine. I've heard little complaints about her other than that appearance.
>>46054974
Noble Scion
>>46047082
NOTHING WRONG!
>>46055387
Sabotage is throwing a wrench in the works so the ship's engine stalls at a critical moment.
This is more like a character supernova, and suddenly her entire personality matches her bitchface.
And bitch face she does have, I mean look at that mug.
Woof.
>>46055387
I'd advise just ignoring the shittily-written AP encounter; that's on the writer, not the god, in my view.
WoTR had issues, but there were some things my GM just skipped entirely. I didn't know about this encounter until after the fact, and when he ran it the half-orc paladin's sword was stolen, not sold.
>>46055387
She's Lawful aligned, which in James Jacobs' book is tantamount to being pure Evil.
>>46055434
Nah, she just looks stern. It doesn't capture the crazy fucking narcissism, just the meanness.
>>46055442
You have a good GM
>>46055442
there's also the editors, the devs actively defending it online for a while afterwards, the army of forumgoers claiming it's everyone else that doesn't understand alignment...
Much like the BP oilspill, or the VW emissions stuff, despite claims that some lone "rogue agent" causes everything, it's always, *ALWAYS* from the very top down that everything went bad.
>>46055459
Well he's right, his record IS quite self-evident on the matter........
>>46055378
pic related
>>46054974
Sorcerer (mage armor, alter self)
>>46054754
>or explode.
Aka release Pathfinder 2nd edition, based on DnD 4th.
>>46055459
I've reread this about 10 times and I still don't get what the fuck he's talking about, this is some stream of conscious shit.
>>46055459
that guy really needs to learn to seperate his own moral views with the moral views of the pathfinder universe.
Wait, Unchained Summoner spell list? WTF?
How will I ever achieve my dreams of being a magical girl and making people my friends by firing LAZERS into their face? UC Summ gets, like, fucking no offensive spells of that ilk...
>>46055602
He's the creative director senpai, his moral views are the moral views of the Pathfinder universe. And that's the worst part.
>>46055459
Neutral anything mustard race
>>46054756
How would you stat this with a 20 or 25 point buy? I'm interested.
>>46055602
Well he WRITES the universe
>>46053411
>tfw personally could fall anywhere from Heresy-Tier to Absolutely Bananas-Tier
But enough blogging on my part.
>>46054860
>pic
Wot.
>>46055325
That's a good point, especially if Torag-Din is a Dwarf. I /really/ do not see Torag ignoring a champion of both his faith AND his people getting re-shuffled by a goddess who played glorified secretary most of her life to someone who was STILL a baby compared to himself before that guy died.
>>46053577
You, I like you - and with there being a lot of settings this applies to, I shall have to remember it.
>>46055582
He's saying that Mengkare doesn't click as "good" for him because Mengkare practices eugenics and "breeding a master race" which, to him, is creepy and vaguely fascist.
He's also saying that he refuses to portray Mengkare (the Mengele Dragon) as Lawful Good because it will mean Paizo is "supporting" eugenics.
His comments are inane but they reveal some very important thought processes that goes through JJ's head, and by extension Paizo's, "what we support or condemn in Golarion is a direct reflection of what we support or condemn in the real world." It's why Jessica is so rabidly anti-patriarchy in her works, or Crystal always tries to put a transsexual in her books, or JJ insists on spunky rebel underdogs overthrowing Lawful society. It's because if they condemn their personal opinions in their setting, people might think they actually condemn those things IRL.
>>46055690
Personally, from what little I've heard of Mengkare here, I don't think they're LG either.
>>46055325
>she forces you on the mission anyways but without materiel support.
And then you discover the Herald could've freed himself any time he felt like it, and while you were freeing the Herald that didn't need help another party was busy stealing the single most important item in the entire AP.
>>46055687
Exactly. It's basically a complete bitchslap to any god she's grabbed the followers of.
By RAW, the change in alignment basically ends one's career as a paladin, monk or other "non-chaotic-required" classes as well as many Clerics (who need to be within one step of their deity). By RAW, not only does she mega-curse you for something as simple as trying to protect your companions, but your own god apparently gives up on you as well.
It seems there's a reason she spends so much time chatting with Asmodeus.
He's obviously trying to return her to the light. Mysoginistically of course. So she can patriarchally-oppressed do her own damn job like she's supposed to once again.
>>46055659
If I know that I have enough gold to get a Belt of Mighty Hurling, I'd be tempted to dump Dex in favor of Str, except Kitsune get -2 Str. So I'd probably go with 10 STR and see from there...
25 Point Buy:
STR: 10 DEX: 18 CON: 12 INT: 10 WIS: 8 CHA: 19
20 Point Buy:
STR: 10 DEX: 17 CON: 10 INT: 10 WIS: 8 CHA: 19
Alternative:
STR: 10 DEX: 17 CON: 12 INT: 8 WIS: 8 CHA: 19
>>46055728
In Soviet Russia, Twilight still a better love story than Wrath of the Righteous.
>Half-Orc Warder Racial FCB from +1/4 to Aegis AC to +1/4 of a PF/BB maneuver
Darn, nerfed to the ground.
>Human Racial Warlord bonus feat to 1/6, Half-Orc remaining at 1/5.
Well, I guess this makes Humans not the absolute best Warlords of them all, but still significantly stronger.
>>46055387
There's some speculation that it wasn't actually Iomedae. Canonically, it totally was, but it's easier to write it off as a pretender trying to shake the faith.
>>46055690
>>46055719
What is Dragon Mengele doing to people that is actually Evil? He gives them a kickass resort island to live on with a bunch of hotties to bang for the purpose of having hot, genius kids, and all of this far away from awful places like Nidal, Galt and Rahadoum. The end goal? Really awesome Humans.
>>46055778
PoW:E is honestly feeling like it's a disappointment a bit. There's a few decent things in it, yeah, but overall a lot of shit got nerfed for no real clear reason, or just left to be shit becase "We don't want to scare away shitty PFS GMs and paizodrones"
>>46055802
>no clear reason
You were paying attention to the playtests, right?
>>46055787
I think it has something to do with how people who disagree with his practices disappear, and then people coincidentally find a dead body charred to a crisp on the shore soon afterwards
>>46055802
I think it's because of how there's about two people here who keep trying to whine about things being "overPoWered"
>>46055690
>what we support or condemn in Golarion is a direct reflection of what we support or condemn in the real world
If you don't believe every single company in the world practices this because people are completely asinine idiots who will jump on every bandwagon to fuck over a company, you're an idiot who hasn't been paying attention to the last 10 years of political bullshit that's been heaped upon every company in the world.
>>46055261
Sorry for the long reply, I'm just trying to be thorough in the approach in thinking as a player might.
If it is worded as an "attack action" then that is a specific type of standard action, meaning it can't be used with a full attack action. Attack action =/= attack or attack roll. It's the same reason vital strike can't be used with charge or full attack.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/vital-strike-combat---final
Since both are not mutually exclusive (you can use multiple attack action feats for a single action), that means your beam can be used with vital strike which multiplies the weapon damage. Vital strike does not specify melee attacks. It is also likely it be subject to lead blades which increases the base damage of the melee weapon (since that what it runs off of despite being a ranged touch attack), then multiplied by vital strike.
So it looks like you have two options. One is where you can use it in place of any attack, in which you can use it with a full attack but not attack actions like vital strike OR you can use it as above. The difference being a whole bunch of smaller pew pew in a round or giving up a full attack for a giant modifiable ZAP plus a move action.
As a player I'd prefer the second one, even at higher levels. Being able to output a high degree of force damage might actually be worth giving up a valuable full attack. It gets around energy resistance and DR/hardness isn't much of a problem since it is all one attack and it can blast ghosts/incorporeal creatures like crazy. There isn't much else that can do that, so it would have a niche to fill. Making it a +3 seems to be in line.
All in all, that's not a bad idea. Would it be subject to the feat Improved Critical (Ray) since it is beam-like? If not, I'd rename it something like 'blast' to avoid confusion.
>>46055787
>>46055829
Alright, where can I read up on Mengkare's magical realm.
>>46055787
>What is Dragon Mengele doing to people that is actually Evil?
I think Jacobs actually addresses what he doesn't like about Mengkare directly in another post, it has to do with Mengkare involving himself in the lives of Hermea's citizenry. To James Jacobs, a giant fire-breathing lizard acting as a father figure and (legally) requiring you to fuck a specific woman at a specific time of the month just rubs him the wrong way.
It's part of his Chaotic fetish, he hates the very concept of people ordering other people around.
>>46055829
>I think it has something to do with how people who disagree with his practices disappear, and then people coincidentally find a dead body charred to a crisp on the shore soon afterwards
See above, JJ thinks Mengkare can be Lawful but not Good because "good people don't tell other people how they should run their lives."
>>46055652
a writer doesn't have to force his own morality on a setting. the same guy who wrote dogs in the vineyard, an RPG about mormon-ish paladins, also wrote kill puppies for satan. i don't think he's a mormon, but dogs in the vineyard was representing a certain period and culture, not his own opinions.
IMO, the alignment system should first and foremost cover a range of typical fantasy archetypes. 'good' needs to cover the wise, righteous king as well as the rogue-with-a-heart-of-gold. it doesn't matter if the writer is a staunch anti-monarchist because the idea of monarchy being a good thing is well established in fantasy and that's the kind of thing pathfinder should cover. likewise, even if you think thievery is a horrible, unforgivable crime, the idea of a 'good thief' is too well established to ignore.
>>46055867
It seems to me JJ never had a good, loving, and strong father figure in his life.
That would explain a lot actually
>>46055877
>is well established in fantasy and that's the kind of thing pathfinder should cover
How many good monarchies are in Pathfinder, anyway?
Nightmare Mode:It's a monarchy ruled by a king.
Why is elemental strike not a prerequisite for elemental fist?
>>46055911
Nightmate Mode: Brevoy
>>46055802
Is God of the Hourglass nerfed? Beat the Clock? Time Skitter?
Oh and I saved copies of playtest docs just in case.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5fttZ3EUghAWDh1SFVIN1N3Rkk
I hope I managed to properly share it.
>>46055325
Thank you, this is exactly the clarification I was looking for to explain why the ball was dropped so hard.
>>46053301
>>46053301
>Riven Hourglass still so broken it makes Broken Blade look repaired.
Well at least Omen Rider got kicked in its jiblies.
>>46054576
>Because I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Magical Child being a 28 yr old MILF.
It's not that hard to imagine.>http://g e-hentai org/g/876354/ac284ad036/
>>46055964
Not really. Its major problem strikes got nerfed and the cool stuff remained.
>>46055828
You were paying attention to the playtests when people said that Piercing Thunder, Solar Wind, and Tempest Gale were all 100% ass and not worth taking basically ever, yet all still remain as complete fucking ass in print, right?
You were paying attention when the devs literally outright told people "Oh, we don't want to do that, we can't print anything that might be controversial or go against Paizo's ideas, don't want to scare away those PFS and paizodrone dollars~", right?
You were here when bitching happened for months that shit needed buffs, and it recieved either nothing or nerfs, right?
You were here when the DSP guys started ignoring the very feedback that they CAME here for, once all you faggots started sucking their dicks, right? And how people started going "I dunno man, maybe they really ARE starting to let it go to their heads" and everyone shouted the people who said that down? And how they'd been RIGHT about DSP?
Unless the errata got PoW1 and PoW:E comes out quick, and is amazingly fucking good, not just "Lol nerf everything that wasn't Steel Serpent", then fuck them.
>>46055755
>tfw GM was going to approve my Tiefling Abyssal Sorc for his RotW campaign until he saw that scene
A Paladin or Cavalier or what have you might be able to reconcile with that eventually, but I doubt anyone else could.
>>46055783
Well, which other divinity do we know who was once a mortal paladin, has a martial focus, and favors the sword? Someone who might want to turn the gods away from their greatest servants, drive men to rage and madness, and steal millions of souls from right under the noses of both the gods and Deskari? Someone who fears no retribution, for no-one would dare chase her back to her native plane?
>>46055191
It was sort of hidden off to the side but there was a gay paladin/bard couple in the very first AP in Sandpoint.
>>46055946
GOD OF THE HOURGLASS STANCE
Discipline: Riven Hourglass (Stance)
Level: 8
Prerequisite: Three Riven Hourglass maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: Stance
Your control over your own time-stuff allows you
to isolate your Hourglass from reality, causing you to
move with unparalleled speed and grace and affording
you protection from those who would manipulate your
quintessence. While you maintain this stance, you are
immune to the slow spell and similar effects, and you
cannot become fatigued or exhausted. You can always
act during a surprise round, even if you’re caught
unaware, and if an ally or opponent uses a time stop
spell or similar effect while you are within 50 feet of
them you can take a single standard action during the
duration of that spell or effect. In addition, you may take
an additional move or standard action during your turn.
BEAT THE CLOCK
Discipline: Riven Hourglass (Counter)
Level: 7
Prerequisite: Two Riven Hourglass maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 immediate action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: Instantaneous
You briefly accelerate your personal timeframe, acting
so fast that you appear to be a blur. You can initiate this
counter to immediately take a standard action, as if you
had readied an action. You cannot gain more than one
standard action per round this way.
>>46056001
I've been using Tempest Gale just fine in my games. You use full attacks when you need a full attack or soft control abilities when you need those.
Initiators full attack too.
>>46055946
TIME SKITTER
Discipline: Riven Hourglass (Boost)
Level: 3
Prerequisite: One Riven Hourglass maneuver
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: See text
By accelerating your personal time-stream, you speed
up your movements and accelerate your blows for a
few moments. After initiating this boost, you gain the
benefits of a haste spell for a number of rounds equal
to your initiation modifier (+1 to attack rolls, initiative,
and Reflex saves, a +30-foot enhancement bonus to
movement speeds, and one extra attack when making a
full attack).
>>46055966
See, stuff like that is why people should be fiscally responsible.
>>46056036
Nope, every single discipline has to be about more power, and more and more! There's no way to actually take two disciplines at once so you can switch between power and control abilities when needed.
>>46056039
...What, so, starting at 5th level, you can just Haste forever?
>>46055907
Paizo's mindset is built around the belief that feelings and opinion should have as much weight as legal precedent and tradition. This has always been part of their design philosophy and has been the subject of many APs or modules related to the passionate, righteous underdogs overthrowing the tyrannical but otherwise legally-recognized king.
What this creates is a society where persuasiveness and the manipulation of feelings holds more weight, and is held to a higher standard, than crumbly old set-in-stone beliefs that are often shown as quaint at best or draconian at worst. It becomes a shouting match between crying snowflakes trying to one-up each other more than a legal debate. For people like Crystal and JJ, who by all accounts would be seen poorly in "lawful" society, the concept of their societal worth being tied to their ability to cry and blabber is a very appealing one.
An anon from an earlier thread said it best, it's the societal equivalent of those pictures featuring baby-faced, skinny dweebs who lament how "I don't have muscles or money, but I have *heart.*" They're shifting their value from something others control to something they control, and when they're controlling the value than they can make themselves as important as they want to be.
>>46056024
>>46056039
Looks like it wasn't changed, thanks.
>>46056039
>initiative
Holy shit, I pointed that out on gitp like three times during playtest. It should be AC.
>>46055867
But isn't going and living on Hermea a choice?
>>46055238
We appreciate the catches, anon. As before (assuming you're the same anon, mind), we have disagreements about the overall value of Tempest Gale.
On a pair of things relevant to my personal work:
> Harbinger
Anon, that scaling got nerfed a bit more than a /year back/. The overwhelming feeling was that Harbinger was too SAD and that I'd gone too far trying to make them easy to build. Their current state was the compromise to keep their attack math working the way I wanted/needed it to work, and it's /still/ a point of contention. At some point, I had to pick the hill I was willing to die on.
> Cirque AoOs
Aside from aforementioned disagreement on the value of Tempest Gale, Wind & Gale are not the only source of range-enabled maneuvers. You'll find some of those in Goddess, Hourglass, and Dragon, as well as Silver Crane and even Black Seraph if my immediate memory doesn't fail me.
> Arrow proficiencies
The feature had to end at some point, anon.
>>46055802
>>46056001
...No. The nerfs got made after a few /years straight/ of data gathering, interaction with our testers, hard number crunching, and feedback from players /including the ones here/. Yes, we've had lessons learned between PoW 1 and Expanded, and also over the course of Expanded since that development hell was neverending, but c'mon anon. Do you think dedicated PFS players are a target market for /any/ 3pp, given that they literally can't use our material?
I can see you're upset here. Take a breath, talk to me about what, precisely, you think went wrong. You've given an indication on Piercing Thunder already. We're here to listen.
>>46056036
The thing is, none of the maneuvers are ever WORTH not full-attacking. There isn't a better condition to inflict on an enemy than Dead, and inflicting Dead on an enemy is something that archers are pretty much THE best at.
Haste+Rapid Shot+Manyshot+Bow-specific items+Feats and shit means anything you shoot dies.
>>46056066
You can haste for [Initiation Mod] rounds, and to keep it up you'd need to be continually refreshing counters during that duration.
That said, yes, if you were something like a Bushi, you could effectively permahaste yourself at the cost of a Swift action every few rounds.
>>46056078
One does not choose Hermea, one is chosen.
>>46056066
I mean, it only affects you, you don't get the extra attack on strikes, and other spell casters were practically able to haste every combat as well.
Is there a splatbook dedicated to (elemental) planes?
I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a civilization/society of elemental beings, such as an Earth king, or a Water bureaucracy.
Pic somewhat related.I want my character to acquire the dunesage template and I figure the best way would be to negotiate with the Earth people.
>>46056068
So they're some kind of warped shounen protagonists!?
I understand everything now.
>PoW:E
>Daisho Expertise feat
This actually solves my Dexiger problems thanks DSP!
>>46056104
One is chosen but then they are given the choice whether they want to agree to the terms or not - remember, only 5 people are chosen every year in all of Golarion (yes, that includes Tian Xia, Garund and Casmaron.)
The thing that miffs JJ is there are *terms* to signing up, that's the thing JJ hates; you can go and live in the tropical paradise with 10/10 geniuses... But in doing so you're legally obligated to provide your dick/womb at a moment's notice. Imagine what would happen if a lesbian was chosen, or a homosexual, or a transsexual.Before you mention it, the thought that those people have never been chosen due to their sexual orientations in the first place likely never crossed JJ's mind.
>>46056103
By that logic, you shouldn't be playing an archer at all, but a spellcaster.
>>46056152
You're welcome. Let me know how it goes, every time I try to play a bushi or some other samurai type, the game falls apart or I get rejected.
>>46055844
>As a player I'd prefer the second one
I guess I'll go with that, then. It would make it more interesting.
>Would it be subject to the feat Improved Critical (Ray) since it is beam-like?
No, since the idea was to base the critical threat range/multiplier on the base weapon's. I could make that more clear in my description, I guess.
>Making it a +3
Originally I had it pegged as a +2, but the more I think about how useful it actually is, the more I'm leaning towards +3 as well.
Thanks for the input, it's been very helpful. Part of this was I've come to find most of the base PF magical item enhancements to be dull or useless, so I wanted to make something that, while coming at a higher enhancement cost, might actually be fun to use.
If anyone has concepts for fun magic weapon enhancements that I could play around with, I'd appreciate that as well.
>>46056083
Not the same anon, but as >>46056103 said, none of the Tempest Gale options are worth the trade-off of "not a full-attack". In a game where archer's entire roll is full-attack, and where even crossbows and guns can get full-attack with the right builds, the fact that Tempest Gale doesn't make a better option than it in practically every instance is a disgrace to people who want to do something OTHER than just full-attack every round.
As for a different complaint, Piercing Thunder is still hot-steaming-shit. None of the suggestions that were made to improve it (increasing reach by a ton to simulate lunges, allowing the spear to return after being thrown, having the ability to multi-hit a single large target) made it in, and so far as I can tell the benefit from the Reverents of the Lance got nerfed to the ground so hard that it's not even funny. Why do you guys hate purely-mundane disciplines so much? Sure, Broken Blade and Primal Fury need tuning-down, but that doesn't mean that the other (Ex) Disciplines need to be taken out-back and shot in the head (with a non-full-attack, at that).
>>46056068
Isn't that some straight "On the Genealogy of Morality" shit?
>>46056158
>spoiler
But of course, anon. See, that would imply that it's /wrong/ to be those things, and that's a thought JJ would hate himself for having even in a nightmare.Granted, that descriptor also applies to me but that's mostly because I learned to hate myself for /everything/ at a young age.It does give me at least some limited way of understanding what is and what isn't malicious in terms of the Paizo mindset, so I guess there's that?
>>46056222
What would it actually take to be worth not full attacking as an archer?
>>46056078
Not if you were born there.
>>46054756
Talked it over with my party. We were inspired by the Hierloom Weapon (Dwarven Maulaxe) and the default Vigilante backstory. We decided her family was killed by some axemurdering dwarves. She was taught by her familiar about Justice and all that, enough that she decided to train with the murder weapon until she could catch the one responsible. The familiar painted the axe pink to try to make it less scary, and since then she's kinda gone with it.
Axe Murderhobo Mahou Shoujo Vigilante Kitsune. And her fox, Justice.
>>46056235
Not necessarily more damage, per-se (although the maneuvers generally need more damage too), but actually doing things a full-attack can't do. Being able to loose a single arrow/bullet/throwable and hit a ton of enemies as it ricochets off of them. Being able to staple a foe to the wall/floor, with a DC high enough that it's actually worthwhile to use. Making use of the Called Shots rules and actually making them WORTH USING. Things like that.
>>46056158
What about the children born into such a society. Sure they could just leave, but is it really fair to them that they have to abandon their friends and family because they don't want to bone when an overgrown lizard says bone?
>>46056083
>Cirque AoOs
Strikes aren't the only way to attack. Normal full-attacks need something too.
>Harbringer
Your feeling was wrong. Characters being easy to build is not necessarily a bad thing. Re-enable the scaling, and delay it a bit, just like it originally was.
>Solar Wind and Tempest gale and Piercing Thunder nerfs were made after years of straight data collection
100% bullshit. Half the fucking content hasn't even existed for a year, and what HAS existed has damn well not been shown to be overpowered.
The issues are that Solar Wind and Tempest gale just... don't really do a lot. You get a few okayish boosts, some really high level stuff that you'll never get to actually put to use, and there's like maybe three strikes between them that are worth using. Anything other than those just falls way flat against full-attacking. Disarming an enemy doesn't matter if you can just outright kill it instead, Gareth. Archers excel at this. Any option given to replace "Kill it to death" needs to actually be good enough to merit not just killing it instead.
Piercing Thunder requires charges really heavily. Charges are great. Charges when you're already adjacent to an enemy aren't, because you can't really move to DO the charge. It tries to make Shield+Spear work, and that just aint gonna happen unless you're a Zweihander Sentinel. And if you ARE doing that, you're basically just a 2h frontliner as normal. The ranged maneuvers it gets to supplment melee are either lackluster, or pretty much require you to use your primary weapon, which does NOT return to you and thus kinda screws you. At least stuff like Black Seraph just fires a ray. The entire discipline, compared to the other options, just feels lackluster. There isn't really a big THING it does. Primal Fury already does charging, and all the new disciplines have some big, flashy thing that makes them unique. Either Piercing Thunder just lacks one, or it's real hidden, because it feels... boring.
>>46056158
Well, if a trans person was chosen I'd assume they've consumed the relatively cheap elixir of instantaneous, permanent, and perfect gender transition that clearly exists in the setting but for some reason isn't always used by wealthy trans NPCs, and therefore would be able to contribute to the dragon's gene pool, but yeah, no matter what the breeding experiment is FOR it's not something you would pick exclusively homosexual people for.
Which is exclusion, but on the other hand you don't pick deaf people when you're trying to build the perfect choir, either.
>>46056203
Will do, though my PoW focused game wont be for a couple more months, current campaign is level 4 and Zweihander Sentinel is doing pretty swell though.
>>46056277
Such is the nature of any social contract. Are you not forced to obey the laws of your own society, despite the fact you personally had no influence on the formation of those laws?
Whats the consensus on all the disciplines anons that have the pdf?
>>46056284
>Which is exclusion, but on the other hand you don't pick deaf people when you're trying to build the perfect choir, either.
Coincidentally, Shelyn is Neutral Good and the only requirement she has for her followers is that *everyone* needs to sing, regardless of how tone-deaf or shy they are.
>>46055973
It still has the Minute hand, Rapid Strike, its third level stance still does too much, and I still need to read its 4th level+ maneuvers, but I am not thrilled by what I've seen so far.
>>46056244
Give the Kitsune an adorable red scarf and she'll be the sweetest thing ever.
>>46056244
Byootiful. Best of luck to you.
>>46056304
Piercing Thunder is ass, Tempest Gale is ass, Shattered Mirror/Riven Hourglass/Cursed Razor/Eternal Guardian and the others are actually still pretty neat.
>>46056223
>Isn't that some straight "On the Genealogy of Morality" shit?
I don't even know what that is, anon. I was just typing up how I rationalized and processed Paizo's behavior.
>>46056279
Honest question: why should the Cirque's tradition benefit give you something that's basically the holy grail of ranged weapon builds, completely for free?
Ignoring strike AoOs encourages strikes and is comparable in strength to the other ones. A tradition shouldn't be mandatory for a build.
>>46056311
Well, Shelyn's got a whole thing that doing your best is also beautiful in its own way, which is why her following isn't 100% artistic supermodel pop stars who are also princesses.
>>46056361
It's a book by Nietzsche. concerning the evolution of modern morality, and you essentially described the phenomenon in the book.
>>46056381
Because most ranged strikes are completely ass, as mentioned repeatedly by several people. Because none of them really do all that much to help thrown weapons, an already pretty bad combat style. Because seriously, that's how it was before, and it was perfectly fine.
>>46056215
No problem. Do you mind if I borrow the idea for my own campaign? I'm in the 5th module of Iron Gods and it could be nice to have a really useful late-game ranged option I can work into a cool unique sword for our technophobe barbarian.
And you're right, most of the weapon/armor magic special qualities are shit for their enhancement cost, especially the new ones. Some might be worth it if they instead cost a base amount like others do instead of quadratically jacking up the cost.
Also, since the keen property would make your beam/blast weapon cost prohibitive, expect your players to take the Improved Critical feat for it once they realize the usefulness. Add that to all the other stuff it and that could make for a crazy big blast. I like it.
>>46056335
>>46056408
I don't know if that'sa good thing.
>>46056479
>Do you mind if I borrow the idea for my own campaign?
Go for it. No point in coming up with these ideas if people can't have fun with them, right?
>>46056493
Perfect.
>>46056274
>Being able to loose a single arrow/bullet/throwable and hit a ton of enemies as it ricochets off of them.
That's a thing in solar wind. Whole line of things iirc.
>>46056347
Is there anything big that wasn't present in playtest? Like silver crane and edgy seraph.
>>46054614
Source? I'm surprised if 5e has saved D&D, I thought 4e had basically killed it.
>>46056730
>releasing stuff without playtesting it first
Who do you think they are, Paizo?
>>46054944
>They regularly ban people from their site who speak up against status quo for being 'problematic'.
Examples?
This sort of thing needs to be recorded for posterity.
>>46054910
More:
p178 A Sultan of the Sultanate of
Beggars gains a +2 anarchic bonus to his _CMB_ against
bull rush and grapple attempts.
Should be CMD.
>>46056744
I mean, there's more than twice as many 5e games on roll20 than there are Pathfinder games. That doesn't need a source, that takes ten seconds to check (like I just did)
WotC doesn't release exact sales figures, but they said 5e actually started off with stronger sales than any other edition of D&D, and the PHB did actually top the New York Times' Bestseller list. Whether or not that success continued, I can't tell you, they won't tell us.
>>46054910
God, that must be embarrassing for Forrest.Still better than PoW 1.
>>46056744
I'm not surprised. 5e is a solid fucking edition. I mean yeah it has its own share of problems, but for one of the few people on /tg/ who likes dungeons and dragons but didn't like the clusterfuck of rules that was 3.pf, 5e is a breath of fresh air.
>>46055160
>Reign of Winter had a weird "Caves of Femininity" book but nobody complains about *that* because Reign of Winter is actually good.
What was actually stupid or SJW about said caves?
>>46057044
>Caves of Femininity
Tee hee
>>46057035
Pathfinder would be a much better game if a feat in PF had to be more like a feat in 5e.
Also, if they figured out like 5e did that it's fucking stupid that a badass warrior can't multi-attack something more than ten feet away from him.
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>>46056767
Mr. Bubbles got banned, though in retrospect that was more due to him trying to dank meme the developers by calling the Dawnflower "scum." I remember he triggered Crystal with that statement, at least.
>>46057035
>5e
>solid
lol
5e is basically just 3e Lite Edition. It's still got exactly the same fundamental problems like boring fighters and full spellcasters dominating.
And instead of doing "lite" rules properly (see Dungeon World for an example of that), they've done stuff like dicking around for months about whether monk unarmed strikes actually count as a "weapon" or not for interaction with feats/spells.
>>46056767
Fuck me if I can think of specifics off the top of my head. Some searching might yield results and /tg/'s collective memory should avail you, I'm sure something is archived. I know it seemed to happen most back when Sean K was mucking about with ruining monks, crossbows, and when people were vocal about calling bullshit on the arcanist. I know their AUP is strict and they seem to lock threads for going in directions they don't personally like. Plenty of rumors of censorship as well.
You could always ask for examples on Paizo's forums ... just be careful not to wind up as one of those examples.
>>46057133
>5e
>More boring than 4e
Nice meme
>>46057120
>Mr. Bubbles got banned
Really? That guy was amazing. Such a shame.
>>46055087
>>46055191
Interesting that /tg/ is full of people who fap to genderbending yet we still hate Paizo for its trans righteousness.
>>46057141
Didn't they ban a person for pointing out that duergar's are immune to poison?
>>46057205
Nobody likes it when somebody rubs their fetish in your face.
>>46057205
Oh, their hamfisted attempts at inclusiveness are only one of the reasons we hate them.
>>46056767
I essentially called their CEO a liar to her face, I'll post the screenshot later. Still not banned.
>>46057214
Aren't they, though?
>>46055690
>or JJ insists on spunky rebel underdogs overthrowing Lawful society.
So he's a literal revolutionary who wants to smash capitalism?
>>46057205
There's a difference between liking cheetos and having cheetos shoved down your pants and told you're a horrible, repulsive morally bankrupt person for not wanting cheetos there
>>46057214
Probably. It sounds like some of the dumb shit people have claimed to be banned over. I take it with a grain of salt but, from seeing so many screencaps of staff going off on people for questioning them or stepping on toes, I can believe it. They act more like autocrats than moderators over there.
Nerds always hate (popular) developers. Unless they pander to their base enough to make an intentionally and fundamentally flawed game with no sense of balance whatsoever, like almost anything AEG has ever made.
>>46057268
Are you not, comrade? Honestly though, over throwing empiresthough generally evil onesis a common trope in rpgs.
>>46057283
He's cute!
>>46057267
That's the point, they were pointing out factually wrong lore errors in a recently published material, I forget which though.
>>46057324
The Duergar antipaladin for Hell's Vengeance.
Who poisoned his family.
>>46057342
They weren't REAL duergar
If anything, he should be Lawful Good for killing such nefarious imposters
>>46056226
Self hate is important for everyone, Anon. The moment we start thinking highly of ourselves is the moment we get careless.
>>46057304
I haven't seen bans, but the editors certainly do tone-police a lot in that they carpet-bomb any discussion that gets a little heated, regardless of what it's about.
Mostly I've seen that happen in Martial-Caster threads, although I lost quite a few posts when I felt the need to weigh in on a thread that was convinced the Slayer was OP as fuck.
>>46057356
"They were holograms."
>>46056303
NOPE! NOPE NOPE! TOTALLY BAD AND WRONG! I SHOULD GET TO DO WHATEVER I WANT WHENEVER I WANT. FUCKING LAWFUL TYRANTS.
>>46057342
That's easy.
You just need a poison that ignores poison immunity.
>>46056303
JJ believes the only social contract that should exist is the absence of a social contract, he genuinely believes that a society that ascribes to "let people do whatever as long as it don't hurt others" is going to be happier and more successful than one that doesn't.
>>46057364
They actually do ban and censor people for problematic views.
There once was a guy who was asking for advice because his Hells Rebels players became basically the IS.
First Paizo censored his post removing all references to islamist terrorists.
Then they locked down the thread.
Then they purged it.
We have screenshots somewhere.
>>46047082
Is this shit real? If yes, then what book is it?
>>46057120
>trying to dank meme the developers by calling the Dawnflower "scum."
What's the story here? Why would that trigger Crystal?
>>46057429
I remember that thread.
It was great.
>>46056382
But to Shelyn, they are.
>>46056408
>>46056495
It's odd. I have a friend who has never read Nietzsche (or any philosophers. Or any books that aren't technical manuals) but on his own developed a life philosophy that lines up with Nietzsche's principles.
>>46056495
It's very good, the Genealogy of Morality is one of the few universally acclaimed books Nietzsche wrote.
>>46057429
>There once was a guy who was asking for advice because his Hells Rebels players became basically the IS.
You mean they banned an obvious troll? I mean, yeah they don't want people shitting up their forums, even if that thread was hilarious.
>>46057387
>>46057425
It's odd that they do appear to hold that sort of worldview to some extent but ALSO seem like people who would be very annoyed at the idea of CG super-libertarians.
>>46057425
Well, ideally, it would be.
>>46057462
>anything I dont like is trolling
>>46057437
It is, yeah. It's a leak of Ultimate Intrigue, which some kindly soul provided to us a couple threads back.
Here's the start:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/46042423/#q46044249
>>46057403
So would it be legit to have an ability that grants poison immunity that explicitly works against poisons that ignore poison immunity?
>>46057462
His post wasn't written super troll-like.
Just a DM asking what to do.
>>46057441
Bubbles had already received some flak for posting like a little rascal in other threads, his assertion that Dawnflower = Scum and ISIS (which triggered some delicate booties in other threads) was the straw that broke their humpbacks.
I remember the extent of Crystal's triggering was constantly showing disdain towards the idea that Dawnflower could even be called "scum."
>>46057044
The Half-elf who fell in love with the time-shifting Changeling guarding the caves and, as he spent more time there, decided to magically become a girl because it felt more comfortable. It's otherwise a pretty cool place, with evil hags to battle and giant/centaur invaders to face off against.
>>46057429
>They actually do ban and censor people for problematic views.
They are very stealth at it.
Posts don't display warnings, so you can't tell when they've been removed except when you see a tone policing post by a mod saying so.
Locked threads aren't indicated with any icon, so you don't know they're locked unless you look for the reply button.
I didn't even know they banned people until this thread. Clearly they keep quiet about it and perhaps don't announce it, meaning we only know it happens when someone says they got banned here. People who keep quiet about their bans or only mention them elsewhere we won't be aware of.
>>46057518
As legit as it would be to have a poison that ignores poison immunity that works against poisons that ignore poison immunity.
>>46056767
I don't know about bans other than Mr. Bubbles and his dank memes, but they regularly close/lock threads and delete posts they feel are "problematic" while citing whatever loophole they can to claim it's not appropriate content for their forums, while still leaving up similar content that just happens to fall more in-line with their own political leanings. They also ban people from playtests for bringing in math, the thing that should be most important to a playtest.
>>46057485
I mean, the thread was purposely to piss people and paizo off. The initial comparison to IS, I think, started here and Mr. Bubbles chose to make a thread on Paizo the paizo saying they needed help. Also I said I found the thread hilarious, I don't know where you got the idea I didn't like it.
>>46057522
Whether or not it was written in that manner it was certainly intended to rile things up over there.
>>46057485
>anything Paizo SJWs don't like is trolling
FTFY
>>46057304
>They act more like autocrats than moderators over there.
That's a feature, not a bug.
Lots of people who play PF, especially society players and heavy subscribers, are involved in the Paizo forum community.
That community is part of the game they are selling. When you buy Pathfinder, participation in that community, a forum where you can readily talk to the makers of the game you play, is part of the product.
And that product, from the publications to the forums, is one with a clear political alignment.
>>46057313
Are you implying that pathfinder isn't an intentionally and fundamentally flawed game with no sense of balance whatsoever?
>>46056222
The Allegiance Benefit for Reverents of the Lance was broken as your mom.
So now that PoWE is out, what characters are you building using it?
>>46057648
>Detect all demons around you within 60 feet
Fair enough
>+2 to Knowledge checks and Perception checks about them
THAT is a really pitiful nerf, especially when you consider that The Quills gain a +2 to ALL Knowledges and to Will saves. At least make it a +4 bonus to each, or give them the same benefits as the Asmodean Demon Hunter trait (+3 to Knowledge against them, +3 to saves against their supernatural/spell-like abilities) without it being a Trait bonus.
>>46057677
None because I'm not a DSP shill
>>46057686
It looks to me like playing a Quill is significantly harder than playing a Reverent of the Lance.
>>46057700
The butt hurt is strong in this one.
>>46057133
>the same fundamental problems like boring fighters and full spellcasters dominating.
Not really. Champion is lame shit, but Battle Master not only gets a lot of fun combat maneuvers but some cool support moves for his party, like spending one of his attacks to have, say, the barbarian attack and finish off an opponent instead. And Eldritch Knight is a pretty clean combo of Fighter and Wizard (though it loses in fights to the Champion). As to full spellcaster dominance, it's not even remotely as severe as 3.5. An example, in the save-or-suck category, one of my favorites: Blindness/Deafness. In PF, a creature that fails it's save is blind or deaf. Permanently, unless they can get it magically removed. You're just stricken blind. In 5E, failing the CON save causes you to go blind or deaf for... a minute. And at the end of each of the stricken creature's turns they get a new save to remove it. How can I curse those who insult me with something so weak? Phantasmal Killer doesn't kill on a fail anymore, and spells like Color Spray and Sleep target HP worth of foes instead of HD, which is near to useless. There is still plenty of fun to be had with the Wizard (or other full casters) and Druid is the real broken class, but everyone gets a more equal* amount of fun in 5E.
*not to be confused with the "equal" fun of 4E where every class is just role+damage source so that you can mix and match on a chart. That game sucks.
>>46057677
None, because I'm a poor student and I'd rather not pirate it.
>Polymath doesn't stack with Empiricist
You had one job DSP.....
>>46057686
Dont forget you also get a free Haft Strike, Combine that with the broken Piercing Thunder Style and the previous strongest melee style loses all of its weaknesses.
>>46057677
A Mind's Eye Disciple Marksman/Wizard/Bladecaster
That is once I buy it. I'm going to wait a few weeks for the commentary to die down and my bank account interest is counted
>>46057775
What makes Piercing Thunder Style broken?
>>46057750
Just use the playtest docs, most stuff is unchanged.
>>46057463
They're like your modern Communist, who defends their terrible socio-economic worldview by declaring that all the previous incarnations were "not real Communists."
>>46057528
>which triggered some delicate booties in other threads
Oh Captain Yesterday, how do you manage to go outside of your house where triggers can just walk around?
So what are the differences between the Summoner and UC Summoner spell lists. I want to see if I can actually get so.e use out of it for a magical girl. If you can still use that one spell to summon magical cannons, then maybe one could play a feasible Mami, but I'd rather not get ahead of myself
>>46057794
It allows you to make an AoO against an enemy who enters your melee reach.
Aside from the fact that a fight between two characters with the feat would be boring as heck to watch since essentially the first person to get in range will lose the feat will generate a sifnificant number of attacks of opportunity, more so than any other feat.
Additionally reach denial builds were already arguably the strongest melee builds and here we are getting another feat to make them even better.
>>46057750
>I'd rather not pirate it
DSP doesn't care. Andreas (I think) was local pirate party representative for some time.
>>46057642
Compared to Smash Up or Legend of the Five Rings or the Doomtown TCG? AEG actively promotes "lets make one good thing, one complex good thing and three terrible but flavorful things" and then winds up failing at that. Yes, Paizo has balance problems and some things are objectively better than others. But it has a sense of balance. In most of their modules with most parties I've played with in actual (even PFS) games, everyone has had a chance to shine. Mind you, I haven't played above level 7 in over six years.
Meanwhile in L5R the Great Clan schools are fundamentally superior to the Minor Clan schools at all but the most niche options, and Shugenja will blow away legions of Samurai because "they are only one in a thousand".
>>46057283
I will use this quote later.
>>46057764
Nobody in the last 6 months to a year ever mentioned trying to stack Empiricist and Polymath to me. No one.
I'd have loved to do it if it was feasible and I'd known it was a thing people wanted but I've already spent many a sleepless night trying to fix the class templates and archetypes to be as friendly as possible, but I don't know you want something unless you tell me.
>>46057686
PETULANT MORTAL, YOU have made a pretty good point here, actually. We over-corrected for the initial benefit and are going to tentatively accept the suggestion to bump the Know/Percep bonus to +4, pending internal discussion. We've got a doc for the hot fixes up so we can get the PDFs updated quickly and not have these issues in the print version (this includes stuff like the typos, the CMB thing in the Sultanate, etc, etc).
>>46057677
Knight Chandler, Harbinger, Maybe a Bushi Warlord
>>46057677
A Magical Child, because I need to henshin.
Oh, sorry, I thought you asked about a REAL book.
Drakaina monster class when?
>>46057283
...is that a gender-flipped Waver and Rider?
Adorable.
>>46057933
And hitting Riven Hourglass with some nerfs? It's stronger thsn Primal Fury and Broken Blade.
>>46058020
Daikatana monster class when?
>>46058043
Do me a favor and expand on where you're seeing problems in the current state?
>>46057933
Gareth, out of curiosity, what's the reasoning behind the Half-Orc Warder racial FCB change? It's a functional nerf to his defensive capabilities (Save for FM, which doesn't have Aegis) for a relatively minor offensive boost. Half-Orcs don't got that much going for them in terms of Warder, at most a free +2 to ability score and a +2 to Diplo/Intimidate and situationaly-only Orc Ferocity.
>>46057677
I'm already playing a Harbinger and a Rubato
I don't think any of their moves even changed, since the Harbinger isn't going high enough to get Tenebrous Reach anyway (He's branching into Umbral Blade at 7). The only maneuver I saw that's changed is the nerf to Reflected Blade, and I wasn't using it for that anyway.
>>46058082
I can't build a tier 1 without my buddy Superfly!
>>46058083
Minute hand
Rapid Strike
Boost for Haste for Initiator mod rounds
Stance of the Riven Hourglass does too much stuff
I still need to get home and go over the rest of the discipline, but those are ones I remember being OP from playtest.
Wait, so do people hate Paizo for just trying to be inclusive of gays/trans/non-standard shit or is it that their execution of such things is shit tier? I wouldn't know given I've done mostly homebrewed settings.
>>46058164
The fact that their execution is shit tier.
>>46057886
The UC list is on the bottom of the Unchained Summoner class page in the SRD, if you want to compare. Just from a cursory glance, I'd say that it increases the levels of spells you got earlier, and offers fewer good ones at high levels. Summon Monster caps at VII instead of VIII, Mass Bull's Strength and the like are 6th instead of 4th-level spells, Greater Heroism and Mass Invisibility get kicked up to 6th as well, Teleport is now 5th instead of 4th. Stuff like that.
>>46058164
So shit tier it's insulting to the groups they're including.
>>46058164
Setting out to be "inclusive" is what causes the execution to be wrong.
You can include gay/trans/etc themes without being inclusive, but you can't get a good execution while being inclusive.
>>46058164
All three
>>46058164
It's the execution mostly. It's often trite, hamfisted, and when shown its evident that the writers neither thought it through, or gave them any other character traits
Its really nice that a zen archer gets all of its "be good at archery" things as class features, but this means I have a 5th and 7th level feat I need to spend. Tips?
I'm also a bit low on skillpoints, but I need that wiz high for that AC, INIT, and +hit bonus, and the STR is my damage. Any tips on getting more skill points?
>>46058198
How so?
If you're gay or trans, why would you be offended by them?
What were the warlock's mystic bolts like during the playtest?
What else got nerfed/changed with the release?
>>46058164
mostly the execution, although I wouldn't put it past some basement-dwellers to actually be offended that those people exist.
They don't pay shit for writers, so the writers write shit stories and shit characters, and then we get entirely too upset about it.
>>46058164
Most people don't mind that stuff as long as the execution isn't bad.
Paizo's execution is usually really bad.
>>46058239
For example:
You're a black guy and you'rewatching a film. A Black side character shows up, acts like a stereotypical black man, then dies first.
Yes a black man was included, but his inclusion didn't add anything.
>>46058179
>>46058198
>>46058201
>>46058217
>>46058261
So are we talking 'Look at how gay I am' level shit tier, or worse? Like, 'OH THE ANIME DUDE IS ABOUT TO GROPE THE GIRL BUT HE DIDN'T AFTER ALL LOOK AT HOW META WE ARE HURR' shit tier?
>>46058239
My roommate is trans, and I mentioned to her once the story that Crystal told about how she refused to put a trans character in the first AP section she wrote because she didn't want to make a trans person into a villain.
My roommate's response was
>Why not? I can't make a good villain?
>>46058239
Because the writers are assholes who set tumblr withhunt mobs on people, have opinions that are frankly retarded, and write characters who are one-dimensional cardboard cutouts for the sake of progressiveness.
The trans characters are entirely defined by "they are trans." That's not good writing, and it's downright insulting to actual trans people.
It'd be like writing a character whose only defining trait is "they are black."
>>46058239
It's pandering, anon. Being pandered to is offensive.
>>46058294
It's essentially "look how Gay/Tranny this person is and how much better they are than you and you should check your privilege because these guys had to struggle despite us constantly stating that the world is QUILTBAG friendly and there's no real reason for them to have to deal with 'muh oppression'"
And that's the entirety of the character
>>46058294
More like "This character is so conflicted about being a man trapped in a womans body! Oh woe! It's a shame that despite being a wealthy and intelligent magical scholar they chose to perform dangerous alchemical experiments to attempt becoming a man despite a potion of sex change costing 2k gold"
Forcd drama
>>46058395
A Jewish man trapped in a woman's body?
>>46058338
>The trans characters are entirely defined by "they are trans."
People said that about Sharda, but when I read her iconic backstory (What little there was) it didn't seem that way. Yeah, the first paragraph or two focused on that, but it is relevant to her character. The rest was about being used and abused by two separate groups vying to use her and her abilities to gather even more power, and her just getting sick of it so she went off and became an adventurer because "fuck that noise"
>>46058142
Thank you. Just to make sure we're on the same page, current versions of these look like this:
MINUTE HAND
> You make an incredibly swift strike which sacrifices some accuracy for speed. Make a melee attack with a –2 penalty on the attack roll. If it hits, it deals weapon damage as normal.
RAPID STRIKE
> You compress the time needed to strike twice within the span of a single blow. Make two melee attacks against the same creature. If an attack hits, it deals weapon damage as normal.
RIVEN HOURGLASS STANCE
> By altering the flow of time around yourself, you flicker between potential time paths, slipping quietly between the grains that fall within your Hourglass. While you maintain this stance, you gain a +4 dodge bonus to your AC and a +4 bonus on Initiative checks. In addition, you become immune to the slow spell, and any power, psilike ability, spell, or spell-like ability that targets only you suffers a 20% miss chance.
Time Skitter does still last for rounds equal to your IM. For the others, see above and lemme know your thoughts there. I remember minute hand and rapid strike getting soft nerfs to bring 'em in line, creating the above.
>>46058164
When they handle it with the hamfistedness of a government PSA, then it is extremely off-putting.
>>46058335
Yeah, also this. Trans people are people. It's insulting to be excessively pandered to in this way. Exalting 'trans-ness' is not really what I need. Representation is good, awareness is good, but it's not something to be *aspired* to, it's an identity. Robbing trans characters of their character to focus on their trans-ness is bad writing and bad representation.
>>46058335
>you will never be a passing trans girl with a /tg/ browsing roommate
>>46058433
Yeah, those first 2 maneuvers have the same problem that near identicle maneuvers from Broken Blade have. Making multiple attacks using a low level maneuver is too much at low levels and destroys any tension in "boss fights" when you can walk up to the gang leader, kill him in one turn, then yell at his subordinates "whatcha gonna do about it?"
As for the stance, its a dodge bonus and PoW has too many instances of AC stacking to unhittable numbers for low and mid level play and the miss chance for spells is one of the strongest defensive buffs their is and you have +4 initiative to boot.
I'd lower the bonuses to +2 at least.
>>46058343
>Being pandered to is offensive.
Not according to the kinds of people Paizo and WotC want as their customers.
>>46058579
Uh no, but I guess my roommate is?
>>46058636
>she passes too
Why isn't she your gf?
>>46058660
I've known her for 7 years, long before she started her transition even if she wasn't married to my other roommate I don't think I could ever date her. Great friend but we want very different things from a relationship.
>>46058694
What different things?
Would you not date someone you knew from when they were a guy? I can understand it would make things weird.
>>46058449
But anon, don't you want to be reminded that you're shining and beautiful and precious and untouchable and just the best, like you're some kind of god damn fucking hybrid of a porcelain doll and a brain damaged child, too fragile and stupid to ever understand the real world, so you must be sheltered by a thick layer of reassurance about how perf you are and everyone else is just haters who could never understand why being trans is soooo much better?IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE WORST PART OF COMING OUT WAS THAT MY FRIENDS HAVEN'T SAID A NEGATIVE THING ABOUT ME IN MONTHS, EVEN IN JEST. I LEGITIMATELY MISS BEING CALLED FAGGOT AND SHITHEAD TO MY FACE, HOW SAD IS THIS?NOT THAT I'M FUCKING BITTER OR ANYTHING, BUT GO FUCK YOURSELF, TUMBLR
>>46058757
I have the emotive ability of a lump of rock. She has very low self esteem and requires frequent validation from her partners. And no, I don't think I could date a trans person. I support them and have some great friends who are trans but I am not attracted to them in any way.
>>46058759
Don't worry, I still think you're a shit-head<3<3
>>46058825
It's not the same, you baka fucker! IT'S NOT THE SAME!But thanks <3
>>46058853
Is a backa fucker someone who fucks stupid people or just a stupid person who fucks?Or both?
>>46058820
Sure is getting /lgbt/ in here.It's weird, maybe? I'm trans, but I'd never date a trans person. Well, no. I'd... I guess the easiest way to put it is I'd never date someone with a dick. I'm very dick-averse.
>>46058898
Something something feminine dick copy pastas
>>46058898I'm dick averse as well.
>>46058820
>She has very low self esteem and requires frequent validation from her partners.
What kind of validation? Sounds sad.
>but I am not attracted to them in any way.
But if they pass?
>>46058957
Hey man, I don't give a fuck if the dick is masculine or feminine, I don't want the dick. I also don't care if the veej is masculine or feminine. Love's great and necessary, but I ALSO want them to be someone I'm comfortable doing it with.
>>46058759
Tell us coming out stories.
>>46059275
Sir, this is /pfg/ on /tg/. The only reason I've gone on this long is because everyone already went to the new thread, but this is NOT the venue for that.Go join the IRC, maybe someone there has one for you.
>>46058898
It's lesbian if it's a feminine dick.
>>46059349
I don't like IRC. Can't you start a thread on /lgbt/ and link it here?
>>46059350
Well then I guess I'm not a lesbian. I'm a vaginasexual. We good?
>>46059247
What if you fell in love with a girl who's attractive and has a very compatible personality and then discover she's trans?
>>46059379
To be honest mate? I'm lazy. You're the one asking for my story, you put the effort in. Bring me a thread to post in and fuck it I'll do it.
>>46059497
It's still the same, isn't it? It's fine to not want someone based off a single attribute.
There's no reason they can't be friends.
>>46058759
It's cool. We can talk and I'll tell you what an awful person you are!no I won't, I'm habitually incapable of hating anyone but myself
>>46059443
/r/ing that webcomic that says it's transphobic to not date trans people.
>>46059497
Hey so, 1931 called, they've invented this crazy new surgery.This is just a joke, I recognize that not everyone is down for that. Some trans want their reproductive capacity intact, even if it's wrong for them. Others just don't want surgery. There's a myriad of reasons.
No, but for real, like... I ask? Not on the first fucking date or that kind of shit, I'm not an autist, but I'm not super subtle about the fact that I'm not into dicks. If I had any doubts, I'd ask, but it's not come up.
Let's be real, though. The odds aren't fantastically high. We're a tiny, TINY minority. Like.. Something like half a percent of people are trans, and I already had one trans boyfriend. If my 10th-grade math still holds up, I'd have to date about 199 people before that becomes a legitimate concern again.
>>46059626
/r/ing you go fuck yourself<3
>>46059350
Being trans doesn't make any other assumptions about your sexuality! You can recognize someone as of your preferred gender without wanting to have sex with them! It's not super complicated! I mean, do you wanna bang every man/woman/lizard you meet just because they're a man/woman/lizard?
>>46059609
It's okay to hate yourself, but remember to love yourself too! That's very important!
>>46058164
Paizo's attempts at inclusion of these non-standard things is as piss-poor and closed-minded as their game design.
>>46059650
>Like.. Something like half a percent of people are trans, and I already had one trans boyfriend. If my 10th-grade math still holds up, I'd have to date about 199 people before that becomes a legitimate concern again.
Yeah you need to read up on math.
>>46058395
That one right there. The entire crux of the damn Shaman iconic is that s/he is transitioning, and that's supposed to be inclusive. Now, I'm not too well versed in the whole trans culture/movement/whatever term you want to use, but I'm pretty sure they're not overly fond of the in-between process.
>>46059861
Alright I figured that since this wasn't el reddito, I wouldn't need this, but I guess it's time to deploy the: /s
Aka it was a joke, dude. I didn't account for my personal preferences, or bias in the sorts of social circles I move in, or hell, that's the rate in America, where I don't even live. I'm gay, not stupid.
>>46059946
>I'm gay, not stupid.
Here we value you as a person, on the inside and the outside. You can be two things.
>>46060009
Fucking sigh.
This too was intended to be a joke
I guess I'm just not the comedienne for you
>>46059946
>I didn't account for my personal preferences, or bias in the sorts of social circles I move in, or hell, that's the rate in America, where I don't even live.
You also didn't account for how math works.
>>46060056
Shit, you actually did it. Guess I gotta get off my lazy ass. Off we go, then.
>>46060084
Or maybe you didn't account for the fact that I lined up 200 people, one of whom was trans, and am dating them each sequentially. Did you think of that, you baka fucker?
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