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Ultimate Intrigue leak edition
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Old Thread: >>46042423
No, the actual thread is here. >>46047063
No, go here:
>>46042426
>>46047082
That's the cutest fucking mount and mountee.
Is it just me, or does that Summoner look a lot like Homura?
>>46049874
There's unmistakably some inspiration going on there.
>>46049874
>Magical child
>The magical child archetype covers the "magical girl" trope, with a transformation sequence ability (faster switch between identities, but with flashy lights and music), summoner spells, and an otherworldly buddy.
I see what you did there paizo
>>46048005
Which is which?
>>46052369
Well the one's clearly a girl.
>>46047082
>All-Vigilante Party
And thus did PF become M&M.
Holy shit that magical girl is the cutest thing ever.
>>46049874
She looks a little too happy and friendly to be Homura.
>>46047082
I'm genuinely surprised there are people working at Paizo who are aware of, and seemingly support, magical girls.
>>46052554
Better?
>>46052579
Nice try Homerun but I know that deep down, you're just an evil bitch.
>>46052567
My money is that is was either Mark, or one of the Editing Staff who sneaked it in.
>>46049874
It's undoubtedly homura.
Just look at the stockings.
>>46052590
You just don't understand AI YO
What kind of items, armor and weapons were included in Ultimate Intrigue?
I want to know if my dreams of playing a suave merchant with a hidden arsenal of effective implements is possible.
>>46052567
At the very least, their PR department definitely knew what was going on. Every post advertising UI lately explicitly mentioned the magical girl... erm... I mean magical child archetype.
>>46052590
>evil
Have you ever loved someone so much you borked the universe for them?
I didn't think so.
>>46052729
The road to Hell is paved with goodor selfishintentions.
I should know, given who my favorite meguca is.
>>46052671
And sadly everything I was looking forward to in that book has been a disappointment
>>46052749
Pfft. Mami stands head and shoulders over all the others.
>>46052753
What you don't like the spontaneous casting druid archetype* they promised?
* warning: contains no actual spontaneous casting.
>>46047082
So... besides the thematics, what's the magical child supposed to do in general, with 1pp only?
Let's pick say, level 7.
Combat:
>Haste the party
>Grease/Glitterdust/Summon Monster all adventuring day (all five minutes of it)
>Make fairly mediocre weapon attacks for maybe 1d8+5, unless you want to be a STR magical girl which kind of misses the point of the archetype
Out of combat
>Do the CHA face stuff
>I'm really not sure what else the social talents help with that any other CHA character can't do
>You'll probably end up with a low WIS and getting tricked by a bunch of suspicious old men
>>46052778
I thought it wasn't awful at first, because CHA casters are all spontaneous according to paizo.And then it was pointed out to me that they actually had no spontaneous casting at all, alongside delayed wildshape, nerfed wildshape, and half bab.
>>46052729
>Have you ever loved someone so much you borked the universe for them?
What, like so many Neutral Evils that fall in love? Like Greta, that Elf girl that posts here, andTamamo-no-Mae?
>>46052580
>Anon who said she's just a girl? It's possible she's stuck with a bulge in addition to a baby bump
But she's not stuck in a specific form, just stuck with a certain gender. Since having a bady is the whole reason she's stuck, if she can be a futa in the first place then she should continue being able to take any female or futa form while pregnant.
>>46052786
>You'll probably end up with a low WIS and getting tricked by a bunch of suspicious old men
Thus the true purpose of the MC becomes apparent.
>>46052729
Being willing to sacrifice everything for the person you love is not unique to one meguca,exchange student
I've heard there's a Cardinal archetype for Pathfinder, what are the details?
>>46052809
Oh, but you get 8 spells from the illusion or enchantment schools. And ALL THREE social skills (CAN YOU EVEN CONTAIN THAT MUCH OVERPOWERED GARBAGE IN ONE CHARACTER?).
>>46052786
>>46052828
Magical girls are not for sexual, leave that to the wizards.
Like Tohsaka Rin, she already pleases old men for money.
>>46052862
It's a crapier version of the 3.5 Cloistered Cleric
Which makes it a better version of the PF Cloistered Cleric Archetype
>>46052862
Light armor, half bab, one domain, 6 skill points per level. 10/10 it's ok, would become a scheming cardinal looking to usurup power from some kind of pontific figure.
>>46052862
>>46045259
6+int skills per level
Light armor proficiency
half bab
no spontaneous casting
only one domain.
>>46052862
Over here: >>46045259
Is the full leak somewhere?
>>46052773
Mami became meguca for selfish reasons, but in the end she was willing to stick her neck out for her friends.
>>46052862
>Implying the student didn't supplant the master
>>46052809
>>46052877
Sadly Paizo shows once again that they can come up with a really great concepts that were already done and fuck them up.
>but in the end she was willing to stick her neck out for her friends.
>stick her neck out
Oh you
>>46052921
Not yet, but a kindly anon leaked the vigilante and a bunch of archetypes last night starting at >>46044249
>>46052934
>>46052862
>mfw I'm filled with inspiration to build a Cardinal dedicated to climbing the political ladder
>mfw I realize absolutely none of the Golarion deities really have a hierarchy besides Aroden and Asmodeus
>mfw I realize Aroden is dead and his church along with him
>>46052942
>a really great concepts that were already done
Is there a good sneaky druid-type class out there, other than the unsatisfying urban druid?
>>46052880
I keep seeing this meme
Please explain
>>46052965
thanks also kindly anon
>>46053056
Gem magic is very expensive, and money doesn't grow on trees, you know.google Tohsaka-ke no Kakei Jijou
>>46053020
Iomedae crusade hierarchy
Torag church hierarchy
Pharasman Penitence hierarchy
>>46053056
Rin is the Reimu of the Nasuverse.
She'll do anything for a quick buck, and she *needs* those bucks.
>>46047082
>totally not Homura,jpg
>>46053020
It's because they mostly lack centralization. With the exception of Asmodeus and Zon-Kuthon there's no place with such a specific state religion, and there's no supreme religious head. It's a pretty Lawful-alignment thing, so if you wanted to do it and don't want to be flat evilevilevil, maybe a cleric of Abadar in Taldor?
>>46053110
>Implying Iomedae isn't run by Paladins > Clerics
>Implying you should let anyone play a Dwarf
>>46053118
>implying Reimu does not first need to be taught about those things before she does them for donations
Clerics are not high on the Int.
>>46052749
>the homuhater is a sayakafag
why I'm not surprised
>>46053125
Is there a reason Paizo designed their world this way? I mean we've already learned through the Silver Flame and Sovereign Host that highly centralized religions are not only possible, but they can work in the context of a fantasy setting.
They're leaving out something that could be a campaign unto itself.
>>46053172
Do they self-insert into one-sided love or something? I think I never saw a sayakafag before.
>>46052786
Use familiar. Depending on its archetype Mauler,Mascot,Protector can be pretty useful in combat. Especially since MC can have archetype improved familiar.
DR/Magic isn't too good but it is nifty against creatures with natural attack.
I guess you can go with Archery route since you can pick up combat feat via talent and you are proficient with longbow? Personally I might go with power attack Estoc though. That should be around 2d4+12 with 14 STR, power attack and lethal grace.
>>46053172
I already pointed out my terrible decision, but I, like Sayaka, am consumed by a sense of justiceand probably jealousy.
>>46053045
The Elusive Wildling archetype for the Beguiler does a pretty good job flavorwise. It's not great compared to a vanilla Druid from an optimization standpoint (no wildshape and while the arcane spell selection is better than Fey Speaker, the Beguiler spell list is way worse than the Druid spell list on the whole).
>>46053163
>Clerics are not high on the Int.
>Implying Reimu did not learn all those things in shrine maiden school
There's a doujin of this, you know.
>>46053172
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of Homura getting schooled and too proud to admit she done fucked up.
>>46052786
Okay, looking over the list, some actually useful social talents:
>Quick Change
This is pretty much a tax.
>Mockingbird
Imitate any voice, and throw your voice at will, as if using similar spells. Good utility.
>Renown
Not sure about this one. Useless on its own except for how it creates a mechanical imperative for the GM to give you something that should be a roleplay reward. However, is a tax for a number of other things.
>Feign Innocence
Constant Innocence spell effect. Just a flat +10 to bluffs about innocence. Not bad, but needs renown.
>In Vogue
All items you make with a chosen craft skill are worth 1/3 more. I doubt any GM will actually let you get away with this, but while one of its prereqs only applies to mundane items, nothing in RAW explicitly stops this talent from doing that. Take master craftsman, craft expensive magic items, reap huge profits. Tax heavily and will probably get errata'd.
>Many Guises
+20 to disguise as an ordinary NPC.
Ehhh, maybe useful if your campaign is investigation-heavy. (Unlike a bunch of the other social talents which are useless even then)
If the rest of your party isn't vigilante I hope you like solo infiltration missions.
>Subjective Truth
Lies count as truth for any magic that interacts with truth and lies, as long as they're true for your current identity. You probably want this. Feels kind of taxlike. Your dual identities already beat divinations, they should have this built-in too.
>Safe House
Fun. Not sure how useful it is, but you get a batcave. Foil divinations. Can't be moved without Renown.
Almost everything else seems kind of useless.
>>46053215
They are quite rare. At anime conventions I see fat Mami, thick Madoka, the occasional round Kyoko and... dammit are the Homura cosplayers seriously fit?! But nobody even cosplays Sayaka. Nobody cares about justice.
>>46053217
>sayaka
>justice
ayy
>>46053231
She literally did nothing wrong
>>46053210
It's because organized religion is Lawful, and a Pure and Good religion can never Lawful since Lawful can never be good.
I hate myself for writing this
>>46053215
They like sluts
>>46053210
Well, for one thing, that would probably be geared towards more lawful characters, which Paizo does not like. For another, right after we've seen the results of Ultimate Intrigue, do you really want to see what Paizo would do to yet another interesting concept?
What are some good hard-and-fast blanket rules for allowing Sudden Metamagic versions of EVERY metamagic feat?
Hello PFG! Super excited to let you know that the full PDF of Path of War: Expanded is finally available for sale on our website. Have a link:
http://dreamscarred.com/product/path-of-war-expanded/Y'all can call me super shill now
>She literally did nothing wrong
You mean besides railroading the entire universe to what she thinks is correct, overriding the will of her best friend because she couldn't face facts?
>>46053216
>Depending on its archetype Mauler,Mascot,Protector can be pretty useful in combat.
Except.
You are forced to upgrade the familiar to an improved familiar and it's stuck in that new form in vigilante mode until level 9.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/improved-familiar
>improved familiars do not gain the ability to speak with other creatures of their kind
This makes Mauler, Mascot and Protector incompatible with any Improved Familiars.
>>46053210
>Is there a reason Paizo designed their world this way? I mean we've already learned through the Silver Flame and Sovereign Host that highly centralized religions are not only possible, but they can work in the context of a fantasy setting.
>Implying the Not!Catholic Church would make for a fun organization to work with, deal with, or fight with in a fantasy setting.
>>46053301
>>46053045
>>46053229
I just wanted to point out that the elusive wildling is getting a bit of a face lift right now. You can find the playtest updated version at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6bKY5cuGjh9SENNYUhDRF90S2M/
>>46053301
I-Is it finally here?
Is the eternal wait finally over after we were said 'to expect it around christmas'?
Not complaining at all, the hype for this blows Ultimate Intrigue completely out of the water.
>>46053273
>he hasn't seen Rebellion!
>>46053301
>>46047082
>Ultimate Intrigue and PoW:E in the same week
>Armor Master's Handbook scheduled at the end of the month
I have mucho boner
>>46053323
But the Magical Child doesn't actually get the Improved Familiar feat with its limitation-the Animal Guide merely chooses a form from the IF creature list as its vigilante identity.
Sure, Paizo will probably errata that, but until then, I'mma call this loophole canon.
>>46053375
It's here. It'll be a couple more weeks before the Print version is ready to go but the full PDF is, in fact, here.
>>46053388
How much is that in 'Murican boners?
>>46053350
>Not fighting for the Catholic Church in all of its forms
>>46053301I bet you're Elric pretending to be an anon by taking his trip off pretending to be Elric by putting his trip back on, you shill.
>>46053301
Yo Elric I bought the PoW:E subscription but I don't think I actually registered for your website because I'm an idiot, how do I get this PDF?
>>46053301
>Martial style feats for all the different disciplines, including those originally found in Path of War like Iron Tortouise and Steel Wind
Oh boy I sure love Steel Wind and its synergy with Solar Serpent to make a stealthy long-poisoned ranger.
>>46053388
>Armor Master's Handbook
Implying it would be good.
>>46053404
>It'll be a couple more weeks before the Print version is ready to go
I though it would take at least couple of months to catch all the bugs in pdf release.
>>46053382
I did
AI YO
>>46053323
Read MC ability again anon. The familiar just change into creature on improved familiar list.
This is different from becoming improved familiar by RAW.
>>46053419
Nevermind I'm an idiot it did in fact update
Aw yesss.
>>46053474
Ah, ok good.
>>46053435
>Implying it would be good.
Why wouldn't it be? the Weapon Master's Handbook was pretty good; lots of really, really nice feats in there for martials, among other things. The only real stinker was the weapon creation system.
>>46053392
>>46053462
Huh.
So the Magical Child's niche is having the unique ability to get an improved mauler familiar?
That's... mechanically acceptable, but thematically counterintuitive.
And really does just make it 'Unchained Summoner: Intriguey Version'.
>>46047082
All this hate for the magical girl
I'm just here thinking it looks fun, if not especially unique
>>46053435
>I though it would take at least couple of months to catch all the bugs in pdf release.
It certainly could be longer than that. I'm just communicating what I was told by our layout guy.
>>46053210
Venomously I can just say that current Paizo hasn't done anything because they're terrible at setting design and so avidly against law/order/organization that a centralized church of any kind would be anathema to their ideals. But it comes from before the trifecta of terrible, and it's really at the core of the pantheon, being that there is a pantheon. One thing the Catholic Church has over the other religions of medieval Europe is that it is so adamantly against the other religions of medieval Europe. While Gozreh's clergy are rollicking in rain storms and Erastil's are getting more in touch with nature, the clergy of Abadar should be mobilizing the militant arm to drive them out and show them what a more organized religion can do for them (and to them). Abadar's the best choice in this regard, because a Lawful Good religion would not want to trample on others' beliefs in this way, and a Lawful Evil religion would not be so concerned with helping the people as to get entire multiple nations to convert to one religion. Such a religion is so highly organized it kind of necessitates the backing of a Lawful deity, though. However, the deities that would be driven out and their followers converted are real, as real as Abadar, and would likely fight back. You don't just have shirtless barbarians doing human sacrifice to vague ideas being beaten and baptized by skilled knights, you have powerful druids uprooting the very earth below the justicars invading their territory. Adding that most nations have multiple deities like this and it's little wonder no one has made such a church. Aroden gets special mention because he was the God of Humanity, giving the most prominent race a sense of unity the other deities cannot clone.
That's my two cents, back to Sayaka posting.
>>46053507
Never claimed it made the Magical Child amazing, but hey, Paizo were the ones who made it a pet class, we're just trying to do what we can with what we've got.
>>46053210
Probably "organised religion is bad" or something, knowing Paizo.
1st for best UI Archetype being Cabalist
>>46053507
Mascot is probably better thematically.
>>46053525
It's not a bad thing in itself - I mean, it's a caster, so it'll be at least tier 3.
Just didn't live up to the hype.
As >>46053507 mentioned, it's a vigilante summoner archetype with magical girl flavoring.
It's not the magical girl class people wanted.
Especially since it has to spend half its class features' design space on getting the Vigilante's social talents which are really underwhelming.
>>46053298
I was thinking about doing this. Generally it works with two simple rules (and an exception for Heighten):
>Once per day, you use the metamagic feat at the time of casting any spell, without adjusting its level.
The feat's prerequisite was loosely correlated to its spell level increase before. So the blanket rule for this is
>This feat has no prerequisite (even its original feat is not required) if it increases spell level by 2 or less. The prerequisite is 1 other metamagic feat for increases of 3, and 3 other metamagic feats for 4.
>For heighten spell and any other metamagic feats with variable spell level increases, you can use up to 2 level increases with its Sudden version.
>>46053590
It doesn't get any abberration summoning though and no "summon Cthulhu"
>>46053578
Yup. I'll exploit any loophole I found to make Magical Girl archetype viable.
>>46053590
You are so far from 1st I don't think you even know what that means.
>>46053619
Yeah, but it is close to the RL version of Gille, and its one of the closest we've gotten to a class themed around Blood Sacrifice
>>46053615
I dunno, it's.. pretty much exactly what I wanted, and better than I expected! The Unchained Summoner casting in particular is a bit odd, but what can you do!
>mfw Cardinal Cleric
Is there any reason to use this archetype over Herald Caller?
>>46053676
Paizo really, really want people to use the Unchained Summoner. They've even said that they consider it to be what the Summoner SHOULD be.
>>46053616
>>46053676
I just wish it stack with warlock... doesn't feel like a magical girl without a flashy finisher...
oh well...
>>46053649
What class would Prelati be then?
>>46053616
I'm sorry anon I just realized I'm not well enough to read rules text and asked for something I couldn't use. Please keep it for later.
>>46053698
The unchained summoner fucking sucks though because they flavor locked the eidolon. If they wanted people to use the Unchained Summoner then they shouldn't have made it infinitely less interesting than the summoner.
>>46053020
>>46053110
>>46053125
Don't forget Achaekek and his little satrap on Mediogalti Island!
>>46053698
Hate the flavor-locking. Hate it
Why can't I be aStand user?
Why would anyone play Metamorph over Fleshshaper? They got similar ability but one retain it 9th casting.
>>46053702
I will not. It's too small to feel like writing down,and no matter what I show and allow for my group including all manner of cool archetypes or PoW or homebrew, they will just show up with a bunch of rogues, fighters and sorcerers and ask what the basic rules are during play.
>>46053689
No. It just evokes really cool themes.
Hey, quick Rubato question.
Accelerando affects all allies who can perceive me with 'the effects of a haste spell as if cast by a bard of the rubato's class level'
Does that include duration?
>>46053576
Hey Elric, I'm looking to buy DSP's print books, but I noticed that you do large collections occasionally (Ultimate Psionics, Path of War Expanded). Is this a standard practice you guys do, make a large collection after you complete a line or individual releases? For example, should I wait until you publish a "Psionics Augmented" to buy the Augmented Psionics line rather than the individual books as they're released if I don't need the physical copies immediately? Or if I'm completely misunderstanding the publishing model, please let me know.
>>46053301
Out of curiosity, do you know when Akashic Mysteries will go to PDF?
>>46053525
If I wanted to play a magical girl, I'd go to F-list not Paizo.
>>46053902
It's meant to last for as long as the Rubato's performance lasts.
>>46053946
Ultimate Psionics includes everything printed up to the date that it was published for our Psionics product line.
Path of War: Expanded is Path of War 2 and is not a compilation, but an addition of new material.
The Augmented lines are all separate releases, though those released before Ult. Psi are included in Ult. Psi.
We're actually trying to move away from large compilation books because they have an unpleasant price point both for us as a publisher and for our customers. So I can't say for sure when/if we'll do another book like Ultimate Psionics.
>>46053954
I don't have anything close to an exact date. I know it's being worked on currently.
>>46053726
How can I forget that loveable guy whose poison does negative levels and can open a gate to any plane as a fucking move action and immediately bullrush you through it, then cease concentrating to close it. He has so much potential for fuckery that 'kek' is in his name.
>>46053301
Have you got a different link? This one doesn't seem to let me download it unless I've purchased it.
>>46054080
I don't follow.
Captcha, empty cups are not "coffee." They are the opposite of coffee.
>>46054023
Do you want us to post errors we find in the PoW:E PDF?
>>46054080
Rude.
>>46054080
Anon, I...
>>46053946
>>46054023
To expand on what Elric's said - when we do a larger book, like Lords of the Mists, we often release it in pieces over the course of the playtest. Those pieces are for customers who might want a small preview before comitting to a subscription or a print copy, or who were only interested in one particular thing (such as just one class, or just the supplemental material) rather than the entire release.
Ultimate Psionics is a move that has yet to be repeated, partially because its shadow still lays heavy on us. Any theoretical "Ultimate Augmentation" or "Ultimate Path of War" would require a Kickstarter to do and be a fairly major move; you shouldn't bank on such a thing happening.
>>46054162
It looks like there's still some they missed, so I'd imagine yeah.
>>46054080
>>46054023
>>46054203
Okay, thanks for the info.
>>46054203
I don't know how this works but will POW:E be put in the SRD?
>>46054232
That'll be something you'll have to take up with the guy who runs the PFSRD. We'd like it to be put up, but it's his call when and how it's done.
>>46054232
When someone working for the srd people puts it up.
>>46047082
At last, I can become meguca.
>>46054232
Someone still needs to go and clean up the PoW:1 disciplines.
>>46054232
It will if you BELIVE IN YOURSELF~
No, really. PoW 1 isn't even fully/correctly in the PFSRD yet, and the big reason is that PFSRD is run by two guys, a truck, and whatever volunteers he can trust. We had an anon a few generals back, for instance, who added what was left from UltPsi to it - for which I remain extremely grateful, incidentally - but we here at Dreamscarred Press have no control over that. If you'd like to see it happen, you may have to do it yourself, or tag a friend who can.
If, ah, if such a thing does happen, we'd also be deeply grateful for the PoW 1 content getting updated and cleaned up.
>>46053946
It would be a pretty terrible business move for a publisher basically living hand-to-mouth. Think how many sales they'd lose on their piecemeal PDFs, sales that fund the writing of each next part, if everyone knew they could just wait for the final edition?
>>46049880
That goes a little past inspiration there, dangerously close to ripoff.
>>46054304
Pretty sure the word you're looking for is "deliberate homage".
>>46054302
That makes sense, I just wanted to confirm what their publishing model was before I dropped a hundred some-odd dollars on books.
>>46054321
Don't you mean Homurage?
>>46054321
The word is "lawsuit". God, I hope Paizo gets sued and shuts down.
>>46054339
CARLOS!
>>46054364
Nah, references are fair use.
>>46054364
Yeah, someone get ahold of John Q. Magicalgirl, patenter of the Magical Girl
>>46054364
Paizo getting shut down isn't good for our hobby. Paizo changing their outlook and approach is apotentiallymuch better hope.
Does a Magical Child stop being a Magical Child after 15? Do their class levels convert to Sorceress or Witch?
>>46054364
There's a thing called "fair use", anon. Tabletop games are fueled by this.
Also, if Paizo is shut down, who do we then shitpost about? DSP? I LIKE them.
>>46054389
Paizo is already dangerously close to shutting down, they're already operating on a skeleton crew.
>>46054393
White Wolf, Obsidian Path, whoever.
>>46054385
Speaking.
>>46054393
DSP is only liked because they're present in the generals, I can guarantee if they weren't here we'd find their setting and stories absolutely insufferable (because they're pretty much Paizo-quality.)
>>46054431
Maybe they need to go back to their original focus on "fun" rather than being so butthurt about social crap and MUH REVOLUTIONS all the time.
>>46054393
>Also, if Paizo is shut down, who do we then shitpost about?
5E?
>>46054447
DSP has a setting?No, third dawn doesn't count. Golarion was better.
>>46054447
Now there's an idea. Bring the Paizo people here. Maybe then they'll actually get some good criticism.
>>46054453
Pretty sure they need to go back to their original focus on "quality" senpai.
>>46054431
Has Paizo actually been dying these past years? I could've sworn they blasted record sales a while ago.
>>46054447
>>46054472
>They think Paizo isn't present in the thread
How fucking new.
>>46054390
Nah.
See, for most of them (Nanoha's tech excepted) the outfit doesn't actually... ya know
Change.
Now, these are all asian girls, mind, so they tend to age much more slowly in appearance until that strange threshold around 50 where one day there's a sudden explosion and all of a sudden there's a 4ft granny.
So while they'll still just stay magical girls 'round the end of highschool, by the time they're in their mid 20s, early 30s, it's really starting to stick out embarassingly sometimes...
Magical girls don't ACTUALLY lose their powers in adulthood or anything. But you try convincing a 40 year old woman to transform 10 years after she finally saw herself in the mirror wearing that.
>>46054472
They'd leave if they weren't allowed to ban people for being problematic.
>>46054390
>>46054497
>A 30-40 year old mother who is incredibly embarrassed by her Magical Child uniform, but is constantly forced to transform to fight monsters who attack her village
This actually sounds kind of funny.
>>46054445
John, what do you feel on the direction the magical girl genre has taken as a whole post-Madoka?
Which lesser-known show do you feel has best encapsulated your vision of the Magical Girl?
Do you think that magical girls suffer to an extent from Ivory Tower Design where some of the nuances of the genre aren't accessible as you'd like to newer fans?
>>46054508
>problematic
Tabletop gaming was invented by deviants, for deviants. How can you have fun telling stories and improving if everyone's walking on glass afraid to offend some triggered harpy's delicate sensibilities?
>>46054445
Which Meguca do you think is best?
>>46054497
What about Golarion's Magical Child?
Is there anything in the class that says they remain a child, or they lose their powers when they become old and busted?
Because I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Magical Child being a 28 yr old MILF.
>>46054547
And the flipside is 'how can the hobby get more popular if its community doesn't care about outsiders?'
I think Paizo's a mess too, but it's not like they're chaotic evil.
>>46054547
Don't play with harpies. Minotaurs are like 300% more fun and bro.
>>46054576
>Because I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Magical Child being a 28 yr old MILF.
Better yet, a 63 yr old GILF.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RnvxfcyHuFN86Sj4dNn6SsX_8RxEuOMNS8JuY8OJZ3Y/edit?usp=sharing
New kineticist stuff. I mostly forget what I did exactly since the last time I posted this, but rest assured it is different. Also made a new archetype:
Elemental striker
>much shorter range blasts 30 feet, 60 feet max with some infusions.
>loses raw to-hit bonuses from precision blasting
>instead increases the DC on EXPLOSIOOONS and other AoE stuff
>much more Strength SAD to compensate, getting strength to AC and reflex, as well as their ranged to-hit with kinetic blasts.
something something muscle wizard
>>46054547
Now you understand why Pathfinder's been slowly dying since Wrath of the Righteous (which was the first AP and published book to really display their colors.)
>>46054481
Paizo peaked around 2011, their decline intensifies rapidly after the release e5. They're getting destroyed on roll20.
>>46054576
Well it was pretty hot when she was a 16 year old milf, and when she was an 18 year old milf, but another 6 "romantic subplots" later and she's really let herself go.
Nevertheless, I applaud you, sir, for you are one of the rare entities on this tube of the nets to have considered MILFs as below goddamn 50.
>>46054585
>it's not like they're chaotic evil.
What is the alignment of rigorous censorship, anyway?
>>46054660
Chaotic Good, duh.
>>46054533
>>A 30-40 year old mother who is incredibly embarrassed by her Magical Child uniform
>milfs in too small costumes/skirts
>>46054660
Depends if you think evil is defined by the person's intentions or by some universal scale.
Probably lawful something.
>>46054680
>>46054668
Lawful Evil pretending to be Chaotic Good, then.
>>46054669
>tfw no more MILF Force threads
>>46054620
Man, when I was in high school one of my classmates missed her finals because she was pregnant. I don't even think she was a senior, I think she was a junior.
>>46054660
>rigorous censorship
That would be Lawful Neutral to Lawful Evil
>>46054614
Much like a dying star, Paizo has steadily been bloating in an effort to fuse ever more inefficient elements to sustain itself. Their focus has moved away from the easily consumable hydrogen to the far more flighty helium, which has always been more interested in working with itself than working with others. Slowly, we're going to see Paizo appeal to ever more esoteric elements until they hit iron, and when that happens they'll either fade away into a white dwarf or explode.
I've never been so enchanted with such a character as I have with this silly idea. I present all of you with my next PF Character.
Kitsune Magical Girl Vigilante with Hierloom Weapon (Dwarven Maulaxe) and Startoss Style progression with Axe Slide. Perfect Disguise (1) and Fox Form (3) for maximum Kitsune, Fox (1) > Fire Elemental (3) > Pipefox (7) familiar progression.
Buffs and Heals the party. Trips enemies. Is as cute as a button.
Feat Progression:
1 - Realistic Likeness
2 - Sliding Axe Throw
3 - Fox Form
5 - Point Blank Shot
6 - Star Toss Style; Weapon Focus (Ioun Stone)
7 - Star Toss Comet
9 - Star Toss Shower
Or should I skip the style and just take Two-Weapon Fighting and Rapidshot?
>>46054754
Or they could actually release some martial classes that aren't total ASS.
>>46054588
>Better yet, a 63 yr old GILF.
>Kitsune GILF Magical Girls
>>46054768
That's what I'm trying to say, they're never going to release a good martial class because they've moved beyond trying to appeal towards the people who want good martial classes.
Is it possible to get into this autism without buying anything but a few dice?
>>46054447
>I am new
>>46054804
You don't even need to buy dice if you use an online die roller.
>>46054804
>Is it possible to get into this autism without buying anything but a few dice?
Yes, because most of the material is on the PFSRD.
All you need is dice, a working internet connection and some character sheets.
>>46054780
Age doesn't matter as long as she's got the ~Ara Ara down.
>>46054756
I'd protect that smile.
>>46054804
Use the PFSRD, all the rules are available freely there.
Hell, you don't even need to buy dice, you can try and find a game on roll 20, an online virtual tabletop.
>>46054723
Same happened here, year I graduated, but she was a senior. Rich, though, so she just spent 6 months out of school "due to an allergic reaction from going to the dentist's" during which time her mother mysteriously gave birth to a little brother.
Fuck, the year before some girl in junior got married and the kid "was born very prematurely", couldn't have been more than 14, but her folks were mighty religious. That is to say, they tried to quietly have her abort, but since most of the school (and thus parents) knew before they did, the only way to save face was if "they were married all along".
Had that kid in my class a few years back. That girl was *fucked up*.
>>46054576
>I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Magical Child being a 28 yr old MILF
Is it really that hard?
>>46054814
What? I've been here long before DSP ever came here.
Besides their work on PoW and psionics, the stories and characters they've been pumping out are lackluster at best, and downright JJ-tier at worst.
>>46054818
I was always more of a fan of the Ora Ora myself.
>>46054745
I don't think censorship goes on the Good/Evil axis, only the Lawful/Chaotic axis.
So I want to create a magical enhancement, call it Beam, that allows you to fire a ray of force from the enchanted weapon that deals the base weapon damage (so for a longsword, 1d8) plus the weapon enhancement value in force damage as an attack action. Does this make sense, mechanically, and if so, what would the appropriate enhancement amount be? +2? +3?
>>46054842
Is deeply religious getting abortions common? Seems they'd be against that quite a bit, maybe disown the daughter at least instead.
>>46054723
There was this pregnant Hispanic chick in my Spanish class during my junior year, but I think the chick was a senior.
>>46054818
>Age doesn't matter as long as she's got the ~Ara Ara down.
Kitsune are the master of ~Ara Ara, that's kinda their thing.
>>46054853
If you've got feedback on my writing, I'm always listening.
Hey DSP guys where should I report errors in the POW:E pdf? I already found 2:
p2 Polymath isn't listed in the table of contents.
p85 "Killer’s Implements (Ex): The stalker chooses a melee
weapon he is proficient with, and gains the benefits
of the Weapon Finesse and __Deadly__ feats when
using that weapon, even if that weapon could not
normally be used with those feats."
>>46054472
Paizo is too thin-skinned against criticism for that. They regularly disregard input from their own playtesting (when they actually do it) if the results are anything other than dickriding their original ideas. They regularly ban people from their site who speak up against status quo for being 'problematic'.
>Paladin (Chosen One)
>Vigilant (Magical Child)
>???
>???
What completes this?
>>46054603
I completely missed that AP since my group wasn't really on board with the whole mythic thing. What was the nature of the Paizoderp that happened in that one?
>>46054974
>Aegis (literally any of them)
>Anyone with a halfway decent disguise check and sleeves of many garments.
Wait, Unchained Summoner list for Magical Child instead of Witch or Wizard?! WTH? Isn't Unchained Summoner the worse of the 2 Summoners?
>>46054974
>Aegis (Base)
>Mystic (Knight-Chandler)
>>46054894
That is why they worship AraAra~stil.
>>46055018
Yep! You're welcome.
>>46054876
These things only ever apply to *other people*. That's the whole point. The louder someone screams out against something that really shouldn't be affecting them at all, the more skeletons are in that closet, usually.
Take Santorum's stance on gays, for example:
>“If people thought about gay sex as much as I do, they’d understand how disgusting it is.”
Think about that.
The point is, if pregnancy is a shameful punishment for horrific acts that go against god's will, it looks REALLY bad on your parenting skills if your little girl's the one caught in the family way. It's SO great when it happens to that bitch of a neighbor's kids though right? Well, we can't let some little... indiscretion let us look bad. Let's fix this little mistake before anyone else notices; we're special after all, not like those "ghetto moms"
All of these things, whether
>Fucking little boys
>Getting fucked by truckers in an airport bathroom
>Putting electrified slave collars on women
>Having any kind of privacy
>Having access to some kind of medical assistance
>Having access to Porn
>Getting education
All of these things such important aspects of your life, and yet, even though you claim you're one of God's chosen, if EVERYONE can get them, YOU. ARE. NOT. SPECIAL.
Only those above the law or able to get all of these delicious taboos are the true masters. Anyone can own a house or car, but only you, the CHOSEN ONES, can have doctors, altarboys, and can give your daughters abortions when it's yours.
Kind of like how the Pathfinder Society (in-game organization I mean) claims they're a force for good!
>>46055018
Unchained Summoner is the one allowed in PFS so it's the one they push from now on. Even though any Vigilante would probably be a poor option for PFS, since it's just battle simulator.
>>46054756
...Alternatively I could use the Combat Feat and Rogue Talent of the Vigilante to get Magical Tail feats and get all Nine-Tails for my Mahou Shoujo by level 10. I really like the idea of a vigilante Kitsune with Realistic Likeness, though. And if you have a fox-familiar you really should have Fox Form.
But throwing axes...
>>46054996
It was the first AP that really showed how Paizo's been rotting from the inside for a while now;
>Mythic was a bloated untested mess that was sloppily thrown into an AP that was designed for non-mythic play
>First AP to be rife with the social justice progressive bullshit we've come to associate with Paizo
>Also the first AP to really have a ham-fisted "fuck you" approach towards Lawful alignments, such as the debacle with Iomedae and the hyping of Chaotic Goods like Desna and Arueshalae.
>>46055061
And vigilante by raw would be silly in PFS.
>You try to talk your way past the guards
>Doesn't work, combat begins
>The vigilante runs off to change disguises for five minutes
>Returns pretending he wasn't who he used to be
I really hope they rule that your party members are allowed to know your disguise.
>>46054996
The big one is what I sometimes see people refer to as "Trumpetgate". At one point, the party is forcibly whisked away to an audience with Iomedae herself-she then proceeds to quiz the PCs on RIGHTEOUS TRIVIA FACTS, and if they get any wrong, they'll get blasted for increasingly high sonic damage (on the third failure, the damage is high enough to oneshot squishy classes). If anyone mouths off at this treatment, they'll be permanently cursed with blindness (I think; may have been deafness), and attacking her will result in your alignment turning CE. If you're nice and play along, she gives you a present you can use to fight evil. If you call her out on her violent insanity, you don't get the present, and you're still expected to fight evil.
>>46054867
An at-will source of force damage, likely as a touch attack, can be fairly powerful, +2 at least.
Is it a standard action to fire it once or can you fire it multiple times as a full-attack? If it just does base weapon damage, how does it interact with items/feats/spells that alter the effective weapon damage for an attack such as lead blades, gravity clip, vital strike, etc.?
>>46055115
It's amazing to me that they managed to fuck up "YO, HEROES! PLEASE GO RESCUE MY HERALD, KAY THANKS!"
We should at least be allowed to call in a mediator god for that encounter. Iomedae might be more patient if Shelyn's watching.
Hi /pfg/ I have a question about how to make something happen and how it would work.
I'm making a small gang of young punks as NPCs, one of which will be a gothic lolita with necromancy powers. She has a crow familiar, which is actually the spirit of a once-living person. One of their 'friends' is the now-mindless undead body that was the crow's former life, disguised to look mostly alive. Current tentative background is that the crow befriended her and later asked her and her pals (who aren't relevant here) to go retrieve his body to control, which maybe he didn't approve of being a monster that goes around biting people, I don't know.
>>46055115
Trumpets was the climax of all the bullshit that was going on in Wrath of the Righteous that most people would've put up with because complaining about it would be seen as "overreacting."
The reason people hate it so much isn't the lone act itself, but the entire AP built around it. Reign of Winter had a weird "Caves of Femininity" book but nobody complains about *that* because Reign of Winter is actually good.
>>46055087
>First AP to be rife with the social justice progressive bullshit we've come to associate with Paizo
Was Wrath of the Righteous the first AP to really highlight this stuff? I remember a transsexual in CotCT and a lesbian here and there in Kingmaker or Reign of Winter.
>>46055084
Nah, a kitsune who throws axes and feels self-conscious of how few tails she has sounds cuter.
And involuntarily *poof*-ing into a fox when frightened or embarrassed sounds adorable.
>tfw you can't be a mahou shoujo without eating shit with that terrible archetype
Why, Paizo? I trusted you!
Got ahold of PoW:E, and these are some of the thoughts so far.
-Entire Maneuvers section 100% lacks bookmarks for... some reason, despite every other section having them. It's incredibly annoying to browse as-is.
-Tempest Gale is still kinda crap. It's just overall disappointing, and nothing really stands out as all that useful. With how the system works, none of the options in it really give you a good reason to use them over just full-attacking the enemy with whatever weapon you have. This point has been brought up in the threads multiple times. Aint shit been done about it.
-Piercing Thunder is literally, aside from maybe Steel Serpent, the weakest discipline. The early strikes require a Charge, which means no strikes if you get in close and then need to hit people. Everything in it's just kinda shit. Oh hey, it gets ranged maneuvers! Too bad that none of them return your weapon natively, and it's therefore ass.
-Style feats are actually decent. Several of them got buffed. Primal Fury's capstone style is legit.
-Harbringer still nerfed from playtest without a lot of reason for it. It needs to go back to the full int scaling it had.
-Wording on a few feats might need work. Animus Healing might possibly allow you to heal for no cost at levels 1-3.
-Reverents of the Lance references Lords of the Wheel in it. Presumably an error.
-Sultanate of Beggers gives you a bonus to CMB against stuff. That's not how that works.
-Cirque de la Fume only ignores AoOs on Strikes. Given that 99% of all the Tempest Gale and Solar Wind strikes are complete fucking ass, that proooobably ought to be changed.
-Acolytes of the Arrow don't gain exotic proficiency because ???. Cmon here. We know that exotic weapon proficiency is a shit feat and that nobody in their right mind would take it except under some SERIOUSLY crazy circumstances, because it's awful. There's not really a reason for them to not get exotics.
>>46055191
Wrath of the Righteous wasn't the first ones to have these things, but it was the first AP to have them in a really ham-fisted, "fuck you, deal with it" sort of way.
Essentially every single character you run into with WotR are transsexual or some shade of queer, and the few that aren't are either *literally demons* or presented as tired assholes who are either too old and busted to show their sexuality, or too damn busy.
>>46055137
The way I've worded it, is its an attack action, meaning you can fire it multiple times based on your BAB. It uses the base weapon's crit range/multiplier. The damage is Base Damage + Magical Effects, so if it's also a Flaming weapon it does +1d6 fire damage as well, ect. You do not get STR bonus to damage, natch.
I would also treat it as a ranged attack for the purpose of feats, so Deadly Aim, Point-Blank Shot, ect would affect it.
>>46055213
>And involuntarily *poof*-ing into a fox when frightened or embarrassed sounds adorable.
>Magical Girl Kitsune who's terrified of dogs
>The Ranger has a wolf familiar
>>46055238
>Animus Healing might possibly allow you to heal for no cost at levels 1-3.
What?
>Once per encounter, you can spend up to one point of animus as a move action to heal 2d6 hit points.
That's not no cost, it's negligible cost, but hardly no cost.
>>46055275
>The ranger's wolf animal companion is in love with the fox form of the Kitsune Magical Girl
>>46054588
>>46054576
>>46054620
>>46054780
May I offer an argument for 28 year old+ magical child, granted she is also probably a Mythic character, but you get the idea.
She is certainly older than the proposed 28 year old MILF or 63 year old GILF.
>>46055115
There's several important other details to note there.
First, it breaks any non-interference covenants the pantheon may have. By Iomedae doing this, what's to stop any other god from doing so? Why haven't they telefragged entire cultures of enemy religions or even just people they don't like already? Wouldn't it be JUST as okay for Zon-Kuthon to grab half a dozen here and there and give them a pop-quiz on pain with similar no-win conditions?
Second, It annihilates her alignment. This should be self-explanatory, but for those who were weaned on 24 and an old chimp telling them a bunch of weather balloons were weapons of mass destruction: Torture isn't just an evil act, it's also a VERY USELESS way of getting information, because people will take any bits you've fed them and find new ways to put them together just to make the pain stop just a bit. That means more bullshit to sift through, and often with not a shred of fact to show for it.
Third, the complete lack of divine intervention against this is flabbergasting. You could be a paladin of Torag, and because you tried to shield an ally from this angry bitch murdering him with sonic damage, you're blind, deaf, dumb, and somehow Chaotic Evil now? WHY THE FUCK would any god allow this to occur without immediate and massive, massive retribution? What does it mean to your standing if you just let yourself get trampled like that?
Finally, the questions themselves she asks are all fucking rigged. One requires specific knowledge of a goddess' history - one that may very well NOT BE YOURS, one requires you to be hesitant about something you've had literally an ENTIRE CAMPAIGN REVOLVING AROUND THIS TO DECIDE AND STEEL YOURSELF ABOUT, one requires you to be absolutely certain about something you shouldn't be sure at all about, and finally, unless you get everything just right, even though SOMEHOW this is a "test to see if you're ready", she forces you on the mission anyways but without materiel support.
>>46055287
I know how it's meant to be, but I could see someone attempting to go "You can totally just spend 0, since it's 'Spend 0-1 points of animus to heal 2d6'" and being an ass. It's negligible healing anyway so it isn't a huge deal, but still.
>>46055326
No, I didn't see that, my eyes just glazed right over the up to. I can actually see the argument now, even if it's dumb and not intended.
>>46055287
No, scratch all this, I'm dumb and can't read.
>>46055191
I don't remember a tranny in CotCT, or anything about the characters in Kingmaker. Reign of Winter has a lesbian couple (or just a lesbian, it might have been one-sided?) and the whole dungeon of femininity where a half-elf dude fell in love with a changeling and after being there just decided to become a girl. And while the lesbo cleric is of Milani (the trend begins?) these two are more on the CN scale of things, if I remember correctly. All the SJW-type characters in WotR are Good and pure. And dumb. There's a drug addict and the kind Shelynite cleric that helps him get clean and get reamed, and the female Half-Orc Paladin who sold her family's demon-killing sword (RIGHT NEXT TO THE WORLDWOUND) to buy an overpriced gender-swap potion for her sexually confused boyfriend so that he could become her wife. What romance options are left? The risen Succubus? She'll still drain you down. The traitorous Halfling bard you can redeem? Can't romance her, that'd be problematic! Queen Galfry? Queen Galfry is not for sexual. Sorry, just sit back and bask in the purity of all this gay trans love.
And mythic sucks dick.
>>46055115
Anon you're responding to here, thank you for the answer. So basically they had Iomedae sabotage her own case? Holy fuck that's some shit right there.
Damn, and I really liked Iomedae as well. She seemed a little less one-dimensional with the whole angle of trying to fill a big pair of godly shoes and live up to an image while simultaneously smiting all the evil. Do I have to find a new god now? Because that seems highly unworthy of deserving paladin-ship. Sarenrae ain't so bad, I guess.
>>46055303
Pipefox Familiar gets jealous
>>46055387
Just ignore her appearance in WotR and it'll probably be fine. I've heard little complaints about her other than that appearance.
>>46054974
Noble Scion
>>46047082
NOTHING WRONG!
>>46055387
Sabotage is throwing a wrench in the works so the ship's engine stalls at a critical moment.
This is more like a character supernova, and suddenly her entire personality matches her bitchface.
And bitch face she does have, I mean look at that mug.
Woof.
>>46055387
I'd advise just ignoring the shittily-written AP encounter; that's on the writer, not the god, in my view.
WoTR had issues, but there were some things my GM just skipped entirely. I didn't know about this encounter until after the fact, and when he ran it the half-orc paladin's sword was stolen, not sold.
>>46055387
She's Lawful aligned, which in James Jacobs' book is tantamount to being pure Evil.
>>46055434
Nah, she just looks stern. It doesn't capture the crazy fucking narcissism, just the meanness.
>>46055442
You have a good GM
>>46055442
there's also the editors, the devs actively defending it online for a while afterwards, the army of forumgoers claiming it's everyone else that doesn't understand alignment...
Much like the BP oilspill, or the VW emissions stuff, despite claims that some lone "rogue agent" causes everything, it's always, *ALWAYS* from the very top down that everything went bad.
>>46055459
Well he's right, his record IS quite self-evident on the matter........
>>46055378
pic related
>>46054974
Sorcerer (mage armor, alter self)
>>46054754
>or explode.
Aka release Pathfinder 2nd edition, based on DnD 4th.
>>46055459
I've reread this about 10 times and I still don't get what the fuck he's talking about, this is some stream of conscious shit.
>>46055459
that guy really needs to learn to seperate his own moral views with the moral views of the pathfinder universe.
Wait, Unchained Summoner spell list? WTF?
How will I ever achieve my dreams of being a magical girl and making people my friends by firing LAZERS into their face? UC Summ gets, like, fucking no offensive spells of that ilk...
>>46055602
He's the creative director senpai, his moral views are the moral views of the Pathfinder universe. And that's the worst part.
>>46055459
Neutral anything mustard race
>>46054756
How would you stat this with a 20 or 25 point buy? I'm interested.
