The Finals for the playoffs are locked in! One Night Rack and Animeted Clothing couldn't hack it past the semifinals last season, but they've both trumped their rivals (or surrogate rivals) to face off this Monday at 20:00 server time! Don't miss it!
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>>45994610
Why are blitzers always depicted as having claws when they don't have claws?
>>45995389
I think it's just a visual shortcut meant to make them stand out as more aggressive than regular players.
Useful for the races which simply making them bigger and beefier doesn't work, like elves or Orcs (because the blitzers can't be bigger than the Black Orcs).
>>45994610
no cuck jokes/10
>>45994610
>see Finals announcement
>monday 2000 server time
>still at work until 2200 server time
Fuuuuuuuuck. Please someone keep this thread updated about the game for poor souls like me.
>>45997938
I'm sure whenever something crazy happens someone will post about it.
>>45994610
Scalia will always be remembered. Someone make a character of an old dwarf who beats pansy elves in debates and rulings. It's what he would've wanted.
How do i into nurgle? i've basically only played dark elves and i want to do something more brute force-y and nurgle looks like fun, and also a change from doing everything on a 2+
>>46002242
Have your Beast mark as many players as he can (preferably those with high mobility), sacrifice Rotters to keep your other players safe if you need to, maximize the use of Disturbing Presence against teams that like to pass, and I suppose you can make Pestigors the ball carrier after a level up or two since your ball-handling skills kinda suck at the beginning.
Hey /bbg/, theheterick here.
I've been reading guides and such, but after only six games i feel like i still haven't got Pacts playstyle down.
I'm loosely following a guide for leveling them, but does anyone who saw my matches have any advice?
>>46002242
Depending on your starting Roster very differently.
Nurgle doesn't have the go to roster like orcs or Dark Elves.
Some start with 3 rerolls because Nurgle really needs a lot of rerolls
Some start with Beast of Nurgle because the Beast is really important
Some start with all Chaos Warriors because they are reliably
Some start with all Pestigors because they are fast.
>>46004672
If you want to play competive Chaos pact
Drop the Troll the Goblin and the Skaven
Develop the Elf into the ball carrier and focus on developing your marauders they are the most important players on your team.
>>46002242
>>46004882
as anon said, the problem at the beginning is you can't get all your positionals. so the aim in the first few games is just build up cash to do that. once you have beast, 4 warriors and 4 pesti, you can develop the team.
ultimately you want a ball carrier pesti, at least 1 clawpomb pesti, a smattering of guard, mb and claw on the warriors (maybe some extra tentacles), and at least 1 dirty player rotter
that's the goal, obviously nuffle will intervene to some extent
nurgle are pretty much the definitive high tv team. at lower tv you will have to play a conservative control-type game, because you will be outskilled and outmanoeuvred by most opponents
#dwarf4life
>>46005309
guess the race, bonus points for team
>>46005604
Woodies, Buddhist Elves to be exact.
Rolled 3 (1d6)
When your dude gfis
Had to go to hospital late last night, possibly my appendix playing up. Hope I can scrounge a laptop for the final.
>>46006387
take care you glorious bastard
Is it worth buying a thrower for orcs if my goblin rolled ag+ to add a passing threat along with a cage?
>>46005228
I think dark elves might be the only roster more expensive.
But yeah the needs are at least one killer pest, one ball carrier, and to develop the Warriors so they have some combo of block, guard, mb, claw, po, tackle, and tents
A lot of people like sidestep or stand firm. There is an argument as to if you take the BoN or not (Jimmy fantastic says not to). If you should build the Warriors to be block guard or block, mb, claw. If you should have a wrestle/tackle pest or if all pests get block. And the last one is if you go block first. I know a guy in orca cola who goes 2 block 1 guard, 1 block and on his warriors then fills in block and guard tor the second level. Jimmy fantastic likes making 1 warrior and 1 pest go mb, po, claw, block, tackle in that order because he thinks mb is more valuable than block on one piece early
>>46007586
its always worth having a thrower for leader + accurate for shenanagins IMO
>>46007586
Why do you even have a gobbo? I would say sure because you are already playing less than efficient.
Ideal orc teams are 4 bob, 4 blitzer, 3-4 lino, 0-1 thrower
>>46007675
Im doing a Troll 4BO 4Blitz 2gobbo plus one benched for the NAF on BB2 along side my super serious orcs.
>>46007651
>There is an argument as to if you take the BoN or not (Jimmy fantastic says not to).
Do you (he) mean at low tv? I think the only application of that argument is for starter Nurgle.
>>46007675
for anything other than min maxed low tv it's worth having the troll gobbo combo for the ots threat. 40 tv is worth the punt when you're at 1800 anyway
>>46007665
leader maybe. accurate, never.
>>46004909
Pact does want to have the Troll and the Goblin for at least a while and he's already bought them.
His main problem is that yes, he's been neglecting the marauders too much.
>>46008735
>He doesnt do epig 4+ catch plays
get gud
>>46009101
Shame orc catchers were erased from history. Would have been a nice option as a physical receiver type rather than all the low str low armour ones.
Also:
>Last season's record for the Best Individual Single Game Catching (paces) was made at the Vynheim Valkyries' Longship Stadium. Unfortunately for the Valkyries, the record was made by the albino Osgar Vilechuck, star Catcher of the visiting Gouged Eye, with an amazing 241 paces (the NAF record). Vilechuck caught 6 bombs of 30 or more paces in this outstanding performance, particularly impressive as the Longship Stadium was knee-deep in snow.
>Valkyries' coach Mad Jake McDead disupted the record, complaining that his players couldn't see the albino Orc after he stripped off his uniform! The record stands but, alas, Vilechuck got frostbite waiting for a seventh bomb and caught only 1 more ball all season.
Half an hour until the finals!
>>46011223
/stomp
https://fumbbl.com/ffblive.jnlp?spectate=833318
'ERE WE GO
For the unfortunate people stuck at work, a brief update:
Chorfs receive, Kickoff event was a Blitz. Poundinator KO's Polo's Bizarre Adventure, leaving the Animeted Clothing down a Bull Centaur, and the ONR flood the Clothing's half of the pitch for a steal attempt.
ONR takes the first touchdown, courtesy of Sneaky Pete. Chorfs managed to turn what was looking like a full half stall into a forced touchdown, however, so we are 4 turns in leaving Animeted Clothing plenty of time to even the difference.
Despite a riot causing the clock to turn back and giving Animeted even more time to score, a series of KOs and stuns left them stalled once again in their own half. An attempt to remove the Poundinator with a magic card-assisted foul nearly left him badly hurt, but the indomitable werewolf regenerated the wound and returned to the reserves.
The ONR continued to remove Clothing players as Snappy Pat stalled until the 8th turn for a second touchdown!
The Animeted Clothing, down two touchdowns, shift strategies by playing the Exploding Runes card on No Game No Laces in an attempt to cripple the key players of One Night Rack. However the first attempt is a long "bomb", which of course is fumbled and explodes in his face.
The Poundinator meanwhile makes an unopposed run up the entire field, making the third score of the game.
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>the city of anime
>>46012781
anime is cool
~Sneaky Pete
>ONR in the run
/howl and nerf wolves when?
>crab's face
Ladies and Gentlemen, there is little left to say about this game at this point.
The ONR have scored yet again, making the game 4-0.
Instead, I would just like to take a moment to bring to everyone's attention the real tragedy here:
Domestic violence.
If you're listening, Crab, you need to know you didn't have to hit her. She was only trying to be supportive.
>>46013023
>>46012978
Nah, after Ashenvale the pain doesn't hurt anymore
what a shitshow
/crickets
ONR is the winner of the second annual bloodb owl
Animated Clothing is the winner of the second annual cuck trophy
Jesus what a slaughter
>>46013464
>werwolves
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>>46013523
I don't see why Crabs stats for the season are so relevant.
>>46013569
I guess because the only 2 non-wins are me.
>>46013569
Go on /sp/ and type >18-1 and see what happens
Congratulations Tooby!
>>46013569
It's an American Football meme
>>46013633
>>46013651
Grats on staying alive.
>>46013651
Make sure you win your games in the reddit cup, I want to face you in the finals.
>>46013676
Still in hospital, I'll watch the replay when I get home.
One Night Rack will take on the winners of the 2nd Reddit FUMBBL League, which should be sorted within a week or so hopefully. Their commissioner was also really up for it.
Now the boring stuff outta way, when we starting the next season?
>>46013758
>One Night Rack will take on the winners of the 2nd Reddit FUMBBL League
Shit, responsibilities
Well shit, The Poundinator hos Mighty Blow now.
>>46013758
woot? We are playing vs reddit?
Pizzapocalypse here, I will get to work on updating the league page later since I have work in about 6 and a half hours and I want to get some sleep before then.
>>46013758
And here thought Animeted Clothing was cucked, but it was One Night Rack being hotwifed by Mauled all along.
>>46013758
Will preparation for season 3 be on hold until the cross-league game?
>>46015201
It is the start of the winter pause. You should start contract negotiations with your players.
>>46004672
You've been playing the Pact alright; generally you make pushes with the Big Guys and tend to lose if they decide not to cooperate.
The key thing is to position in such a way that your Marauders can screen off parts of the field if your Big Guys decide to be ornery. Since Marauders are low AV you don't want to screen with them unless you can help it.
In the long term you need to build the Marauders - they are the core of your team. Your Big Guys will inevitably level up from casualties and your Dark Elf and Skaven will get TDs, but you need Marauders that can be reliable Blitzers.
>>46017019
>you don't want to screen with them unless you can help it.
Typo - you don't want to *mark* with your Marauders. Screening is just fine and what you want to do.
>>46017019
>>46017043
AV 8 isn't terrible to mark with. I'd rather not mark with a developed marauder, but the rookie ones are the same as human linos
>mfw after the game sunk in
>>46017123
I'm talking more about marking as a primary strategy - it's a bad idea with AV8 since you don't want your Marauders to go off the field. Losing one of your reliable players means you have fewer members able to cover for your 3 unreliable Big Guys.
>>46016619
10/10
So, that was a pretty great season, how long until season II starts?
>>46020232
You probably mean season III
I'd guess around 1-2 weeks prep time for new coaches to apply and old coach to reconsider their teams and alike.
>>46021523
Nigga you don't understand I am so ready for next season and if I win it all with my shitty team I may have a chance to unleash on reddit? All these doubles I rolled are a sign, and if I have to go extreme try hard to unleash the beast that is ludacrispytreats so help me god. Of course im fine with losing it all too but what a way to end this team's career before hiatus.
What win percentage should I get with undead before I try necro?
>>46022403
72%
Rolled 1, 6 = 7 (2d6)
GFI TWICE TO THE ENDZONE
>>46025478
Never GFI into endzone!
Rolled 2, 5, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 2, 3 = 29 (9d6)
>>46025478
You gotta believe more anon
2+ Dodge 2+ Leap 5+ Pickup 2+ Dodge 2+ Pass 2+ Catch Gfi Gfi
Reroll included
Rolled 2, 5 = 7 (2d6)
>>46027511
And thats an armour roll for you
>>46028416
Pickup failed sadly. So no armor roll.
>>46028597
What if it was a Spiked ball?
>>46029412
Fair enuff
>>46013890
Ok, this should be the final version of the post-Season II version of the league page barring any changes to the rules. https://fumbbl.com/p/notes?op=view&id=2724
If you see any errors, please notify me about them (preferably by PM).
>>46030437
>Froggy Fractions rolls so badly and takes so many risks that the top interceptor is two intercepts in one game vs Froggy Fractions and no other intercepts in the season
>>46030437
Most completions, suck it elves
Question,
I've got a relatively new team on fumbble, only played one game, with only one player with 5 spp and none leveled up. Would I be able to enter that team to rookie league III, or should I just scrap that team and make a new one?
>>46032634
First of all it has to be a League team.
>>46032649
It's a league team. The rules say they need to be fresh teams, and that's fair, I can just make a new one.
>>46032721
Well I kind of assumed it could be Ranked since it's weird for a League team to only have a single game played. But yeah, there's probably no way unless it's a fresh team.
So I've been interested in this game ever since my father rented it a long time ago by accident and then immediately took it back because it was a strategy game, where's the best place to start?
>>46033030
Watch BB2 on twitch for a while to get an idea of how the game looks, jumping into Fumbbl after that is a good idea if you can wrap your head around it. You can ask if someone will do a tutorial game for you or something if you don't want to look it up on youtube.
>>46033030
>>46033058
Also try watching some of cKnoor, the man linked in the OP.
>>46033030
I wish my friends were interested in the game.
>>46032634
If its just 1 game, why not just re-create the team though?
I really hope GW dosent screw up Blood bowl when they remake next year.
The leaked minis look ok. But they have a track record of fucking up their games.
I own most of the teams already but i got a felling they will add, remove or mod poistion players to force vets to buy more.
>>46033921
>when one of your players get killed you must bury the mini in an official mini graveyard on your nearest GW shop and buy a new mini to replace it
>despite the graveyard being a tiny box full of sand, there always seems to be room for more minis
>>46033974
>not taking the cremated remains and dumping them over their replacement to appease nuffle.
>>46033974
Honestly the only thing i would change about the current rule set it tackle.
Tackle is OP as fucking shit making some teams worthless at higher TV's.
Tackle should work when that player is throwing a block and only then. it should not have any effect when i am dodging away. If you want to make it suck to dodge away then get take mother fucking diving tackle.
But as far as team balance goes the game is very well balanced. There are teams that are harder to play like vamps, halflings and ogres. and there are teams that are a little tougher like lizzards. But there is not 1 team so good its a win button team.
My main concern is that they will 40k it up with blood bowl and make a few new team that is stupid strong to the point where every other team struggles when playing it. It will be like all the tau / eldar players 40k saw pop up overnight.
>>46034085
>Spot the elf player.
>>46034134
But thats wrong.
I like playing amazons and halfings.
>>46034085
I kind of agree, maybe Tackle shouldn't completely nullify both blocking dodge and dodging out dodge, maybe have tackle just nullify blocking dodge and make diving tackle nullify dodging out dodge
tackle is ridiculous value to be honest
>>46034308
I did suggest it a while back but just add a skill that nullifies tackle and it's solved. Masterful game design.
>>46034332
why add a skill to nullify a skill that nullifies a skill?
no skill should just nullify another skill outright like tackle dose. amazons are ok to srart with but once the other teams start getting tackle spread around the ladies are nothing more then CAS points.
No, tackle should just apply when the tackle player is throwing a block. Diving tackle is fine as it is. having a player on the ground is a fair price to pay for a -2 to a dodge roll.
its a gamble. you risk putting one of your players on the ground in order to cause a turnover.
And if you are taking dodge on your elves you are doing it wrong. Provided you are playing in a long term league TONS of players end up with tackle. in my old everlasting league i dident ever bother taking dodge as a skill up because i knew long term it was a wasted skill.
I explanied this to our wood elf player and he saw a drastic change in his win loss ratio. instead of building players up with dodge as a 1st skill he started taking block and would rely on the 2+ roll to make his dodges. then give a few side step. guard on doubles. mighty blow if a war dancer got doubles.
By the time that elf team hit a TV of 2mill it hit like chaos while still being able to run and throw like poncy elves. After winning our chaos cup he gave claws to a wardancer that was already sitting with tackle, mighty blow and +1 S.
>>46034570
Yeah you might as well also never take block since everybody takes wrestle
>>46034308
>>46034085
>Tackle should only work when player throws a block.
>It's ok for dodge to work both in block results and dodging away.
>>46033030
I don't know what's up with the other tips on getting started, but just read the rules,there should be a link in the op
>>46035046
Reading and watching are both valid ways of learning.
>>46032634
I think this is a question worth talking about though for the future if we're eventually going to do a TV split.
If the limit is going to be TV1000 to TV1300, do people have any objections to entering League teams that have played games elsewhere? For example it's conceivable that you might enter with a former 145 Cup team.
>>46035433
I think they should be brand new
>>46035433
Yeah, i prefer the idea of a /tg/-only league, with no outsider teams. Team has games outside of /tg/ league - it cant play in /tg/ anymore. Maybe with the rare exceptions like the current ONR vs Reddit event.
Taking in an outsider team sets a precedent. And any kind of barrier, TV-based or otherwise, can be gamed.
>>46033030
There are several ways to play:
1. Tabletop
Pros:
+miniatures
+real life interaction
+easy houserules
Cons:
-miniatures
-real life interaction
-can screw up the rules
2. FUMBBL
Pros:
+free
+most complete implementation of the rules online (all 21 teams, star players, inducements, etc.)
+Not hard to find a league and community is fairly friendly
+Leagues allow for some custom houseruling
+default turn timer is 4 min, giving you plenty of time to think (some might have this as a con)
Cons:
-graphics are just serviceable (it's not bad - see pic, but hardly 3d stuff)
-houseruling never as
-matchmaking services are not "full auto" in the same way as the Cyanide games (Box requires activation and Ranked gamefinder only suggests matchups.)
Probably the easiest way to try the game if you're sitting on the fence. /tg/'s running a league too - just finished the last season, so you can jump in on the next one.
Blood Bowl: Chaos Edition
+nicer graphics
+has most team rosters (not as comprehensive as FUMBBL and lacking Star players/inducements)
+auto-matchmaking
+has one roster exclusive to the game - Khorne
-no longer supported
-old
-some rules implementation is buggy
-Khorne kind of sucks and the game doesn't have some of the TT rosters like Slann or Chaos Pact
Blood Bowl 2:
+nice graphics
+has Bretonnians
+that's about it.
-expensive: only 8-12 teams at present
-future teams will be 5-7$
-lacks Star players and inducements
-very buggy at the moment
-some fiddly implementation of the rules (mostly in terms of skills that should be optional)
-controversial balance changes
-no penalty for conceding matches so public matchmaking is dominated by ragequits (may be a pro)
-Bretonnian roster is kind of meh, and the game is still missing a ton of rosters that should be in.
>>46035433
>Go to some fast league
>Farm with your team until it reaches 1300 TV
>No doubles or +stats on key players? Scrap team, go again
>When team is in perfect 1300TV condition, join /tg/ league
>Enjoy destroying the 1000TV rookies.
>>46034332
Tackle: Nullifies the Dodge Skill
Slippery: Nullifies the Tackle Skill
Grip: Nullifies the Slippery Skill
Lubricant: Nullifies the Grip skill
>>46034570
>wardancer with ClawMBtackle+st
FOUL
>tfw no gay wrestle skill that stuns both players
>>46037541
>Tfw no wrestle skill that has both players make an armor roll without causing a turnover
>>46037541
>tfw no jabroni outfits for dark elves
Invent new skills by replacing one word in an existing skill with another skill
Example: Diving Tackle becomes Diving Stab
>>46037714
very smart
fuck teammate
extra penis
Hypnotic penis
Strip clothes
secret penis
very long penis
two penises
>>46034085
You mean OP like lizards?
>>46034308
Tackle is a 20K tv sink whenever you take it but don't play vs dodge teams.
>>46035661
>that madman
>>46037835
I don't remember any skills that have "penis" or "fuck" in them.
>>46038264
How do you think Stab works? Or Dirty Player and Piling On.
>>46038264
oh my bad, completely missed that part
>>46038075
unless you're playing in a league exclusive to khemri, there's always bound to be a bunch of players with dodge, especially ball carriers, and having tackle is a huge asset against them, so tackle is never a waste
Alright d00ds, it's time for me to choose a new team for my local league
It's either going to be nurgle with terrible disease joke names, or a goblin team with a bombardier that I'll make doctors without borders jokes every time I use him
Now that Bloodbowl is being re-released in the middle/end of this year, how different do we expect GW to make the new version? I want to build a stadium board for it, but if it's going to suck, I don't know if I should bother.
>>46039547
goblins for the real life games
>>46040315
Blood Bowl has a 2017 date.
>>46040818
My LGS said late summer/fall of this year, but they may have meant next year. Either way...
>>46040315
Rumor has it the bases are wider. That's just based on other anons looking at the current models but I wouldn't doubt GW doing it to encourage buying the new model line (I would encourage it to continue GW support). All speculation but take it for what it's worth.
>>46040315
>Now that Bloodbowl is being re-released in the middle/end of this year, how different do we expect GW to make the new version? I want to build a stadium board for it, but if it's going to suck, I don't know if I should bother.
>if it's going to suck
That is the question indeed. You should still build a stadium though, for the "old" version that is.
>>46041874
Rumors were placing it by the end of the summer but I think it was at Warhammer World that they had a poster confirming release with just a 2017 date on it.
Are there any fumbbl majors with an actual tv range rather than just >highest TV gets in
Like a tournament where you can't start above a tv
added this to my team and i cant believe i forgot the laughing elf. i let you down /bbg/
>>46042408
>>46042357
The stadium I'm planning has 1.5" squares, not only to fit the larger Big Guy models, but to make the pitch looks a bit more scale and less like backyard football.
>>46046068
>The stadium I'm planning has 1.5" squares, not only to fit the larger Big Guy models, but to make the pitch looks a bit more scale and less like backyard football.
Good to hear it! So, what are you waiting for? Get building. No matter how the "new edition" will look/play you will always have the "older" one, correct? And, if, and that is a big if, the new edition will replace the "older" one, just build another one.
I've been in your shoes before. I spent a long time planning on building a modular Space Hulk board, and the rumors of a new edition made me push that date forward. After waiting for a quite a while the new edition finally materialized. And I realized that I could have created that particular board, a long time a go, and had some fun, instead of waiting on the new edition (which did not change much).
>>46034085
The thing with Tackle is that things just end up in this sort of cyclical meta in a league. Coaches get Dodge on their players, others start taking Tackle to counter turning dodge into bloat; coaches stop taking dodge which turns Tackle into bloat; and so on and so forth.
Having a single Tackler is fine and good. Two is good redundancy. But an extra 20k for each additional Tackler eventually does add up, and that's not accounting for the opportunity cost of taking another useful skill.
Getting tackle on 11 players is a whopping 220k TV; that's a Wizard and a Babe, to say nothing of how it delays skills you would otherwise want.
Now if you want to complain about Dwarves or CDs which get it for "free" that's another argument entirely; both are essentially what make those teams so good in the first place (CDs might be able to still compete if they lost Tackle on the Blockers but they'd definitely drop down to more of a long-term team).
>>46047455
On the Dwarf side of "too many players with Tackle", it's tough to come up with a free skill that really helps them without being too underpowered or overpowered.
The issue is that Dwarves rely a lot on massing up and throwing a few tactical 1d blocks to free up enough assists and Guards to outstrength the remaining opponents for 2dice knockdowns (sort of the reverse of elf teams, who rely on 1d dodges to get assists for 2dice knockdowns). Tackle is in the right spot of "just situationally helpful enough" for a free skill.
The only possible alternative that I can think of that sort of occupies the same power level is to give Fend on all the linemen instead of Tackle, but this really kills Dwarven offensive potential (although it makes them a champion defensive team).
Swapping Block for Wrestle on Tackle pieces makes them gentler but also is an outright nerf given Dwarf movement, and something like Grab on linemen or CDs would be hideously strong en masse.
Something like a Juggernaut skill that works on normal Blocks would be great, but that would necessitate a whole new skill in the rulebook (and this skill would be hideously strong on non-Dwarf teams).
>>46045043
These are mostly the province of the Minors, like the Royal Rookie Rumble or the like - just because they're called "Minors" doesn't mean the skill level is any lower.
The whole reason they're called "Majors" is because they're meant for huge TV teams - they're meant to represent the "big time" tournaments, not small salary-restricted ones. The point of having them is the sheer spectacle of watching these high-TV titans duke it out. If you want a display of low TV coaching finesse you watch/enter the Minors instead.
>>46047612
>The only possible alternative that I can think of that sort of occupies the same power level is to give Fend on all the linemen instead of Tackle, but this really kills Dwarven offensive potential (although it makes them a champion defensive team).
Take Tackle off all Blockers in favor of Fend, give the Blitzers Tackle.
Though that might be too much of a buff for the Dwarfs.
>>46034793
Indead it is.
Because dodge dosent flat our cancel a skill.
dodge is a 20,000 GP sink and %100 worthless if the other guys has tackle. add that up over a few guys and now all the sudden i have 100k or more flushed down the tubes.
>>46034671
I would not give block to a player with wrestle no. redundant and pointless. you gave him wrestle to deal with block on the other teams.
but wrestle dosent drag them down and roll for armor break like smacking someone with dodge using a player who has anti dodge.
>>46037412
If memory serves me that is exactly what happend. a nurgle player fouled him, killed him then raised him as a rotter.
He bought an entire team to get the ONE mini the WE player used as his war dancer and greenstuffed him into a zombie.
>>46048056
>Sure hands cancels strip ball.
>Wrestle cancels block.
>Juggernaut cancels standfirm and wrestle.
>Fend cancels frenzy and piling on.
>>46048365
Sure hands and strip ball are not common skills taken. a handfull of players start with them. but i cant ever recall taking sure hands with anyone on a skill up. maybe strip ball on one or 2 players as a 4th or 5th skill.
wrestle dose not cancel block.
juggernaut and fend are hardly ever taken unless you A. have block, tackle, guard and mighty blow or are a big guy who skilled up and already has guard and sadly did not roll doubles.
The most common skills taken by vet players are block, dodge, tackle, guard and mighty blow.
anyone you intend to hit / blit with you give tackle. anyone you intend to throw blocks with you want tackle on when you can get it (IE after block and assuming you dident roll doubles)
>>46048552
How does wrestle not cancel block?
>>46048056
>tackle is a 20,000 GP sink and %100 worthless if the other guys have no dodge. add that up over a few guys and now all the sudden i have 100k or more flushed down the tubes.
>>46048726
Block is as much as if not more than a defensive skill than an offensive skill. You take it on players that you want protected from armor rolls from other Block players or even just the Both Down result. A wrestler does not hurt that player, so the goal of protecting them is still achieved.
And then on the offensive side of things, since all Wrestle does is keep both players on the ground, a player with Block has often still accomplished what they set out to do by blocking a player - put them on the ground and removed their tackle zones. If they didn't have Block, it's likely the opposing player wouldn't have wrestled and settled for the turnover from a Both Down.
>>46048769
Why are you taking tackle if your league has no dodge heavy teams?
If you are going to a tourny why are you taking tackle as part of a skill package before block?
>>46048726
If i hit you with a wrestle player and roll both down do i cancle your block and put you on the ground, keep myself up and roll armor on your guy? No, We both go down and neither rolls armor.
Tackle is a raging pain in the dick in the hands on someone who knows when to take it and where to use it.
>>46048926
Wrestle is a raging pain*
stupid beer.
>>46048926
>>46048850
>My good player is on the ground and can now easily be fouled
>He is safe
Yeah you are a retard.
>>46048056
But if the player doesn't have tackle you get to reroll your 83% dodge /AND/ counter a 5 on the blocking dice.
Risk vs Reward
>>46048926
>Tfw I played against a team of 16 peasants with wrestle on a bunch of core pieces and a bunch of DPs
Is wrestle the new epic meme of /bbg/ after lizards?
>>46050114
How about them lizards with wrestle?
>>46050178
>Yfw +ag +ag wrestle stripball skink
>>46050268
The second +agi is pointless.
>>46050314
>Not 67% dodging into a cage
Anon pls
>>46050325
>67% dodging into a cage instead of 83% dodging into a cage with agi 4 stunty
>>46050325
The skink has stunty so 4 agi is all they would need to get the ball loose picking it up in all those tackle zones may require that 5 agi.
>>46050350
>>46050365
I forgot dodge has a +1 built in I guess? 3 + 2 + 1 - 3 is what i thought it was
>>46050374
Stunty gets to dodge anywhere on a 3+ getting 4 agi makes it a 2+.
>>46050402
I thought stunty just effectively added a +1 in the form of removing a TZ
>>46050474
Stunty as of now allows the player to ignore tackle zones when dodging and they suffer a -1 on the roll to pass. The CRB added that when they roll an injury they add a 1 to the roll if they roll 1 under a stun or K.O. making them easier to hurt.
>>46050564
Oh. Is that new or am I just really blind and misunderstood it the entire time?
>>46050575
Jesus i'm just retarded. They ignore all TZ, i always ALWAYS thought it was they ignore 1 tz and additional apply seperately.
>>46049024
>I block wrestle players with my valuable players and then spend the rest of my uninterrupted turn leaving them unprotected on the ground
I think I spotted the actual retard here.
>higher tv lizards in bb2 against my high elves
>oh boy here we go.png
>tv is so high because his 5 skinks all have 3-4 skills while only 3 Saurus have block.
>grab a reroll and smoke him 2-1 due to screens and having 2 guard players.
>catcher rolls +st after game.
Best feel of drinking sweet lizard tears.
>>46052060
>I will not Blitz with my good players so I do less damage to the opponent
Good your opponent easily wins
>>46052760
#1800tvdream
>>46053376
Now you're just pretending to be retarded.
>turn 8, just after I scored the first TD
>enemy tries very hard to hurt somebody on my team
>blocks with his chaos warrior that has mighty blow and claw but no block at lvl 3
>mfw this happens
>he concedes instantly
>>46056480
>Be mighty chaos warrior
>Throw a punch to skinny faggot on the LOS
>Trip and fall on your claws, impaling yourself
>Apothecary called in to treat you
>Your final moments are him laughing at you and calling you fag
>>46056888
It was actually aSaurus
APO
Rolled 1, 6 = 7 (2d6)
>>46058560
>not even rolling for the new injury result
![1457943490019[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ShMFrlD.jpg "1457943490019[1].jpg")
Anyone wanna make a Confederate slann team? Or a rare pepe slan team?
>>46062640
I was actually thinking of making an undead team with names based on dead rock stars
>>46062869
29 club?
>>46062896
I was thinking of calling it either Beating on a dead Horse, but that works.
>>46062640
a pepe slann team was on my mind in case i dropped my current team, I'm surprised no one has done it yet
>>46035661
>-real life interaction
>a con
>>46033921
From what was said by FW of them having plans for future teams but it all depending on sales, that doesn't sound like anyone is going to be forced to buy anything.
If people buy the new version it will continue to get support, if they don't then once the inventory is sold out they'll scrap the project.
>>46064643
It's also in the "pro" column also; I list it as a "con" not because it's a bad thing but because it requires lining up schedules, having players in your area, etc.
A videogame version like FUMBBL or BB2 doesn't require nearly as much commitment to arranging a match and isn't restricted by geographic proximity.
So, any idea on the date of new seasons starting?
>>46072203
I assume One Night Rack will be playing Reddit Cup champions this weekend.
Then there'll probably be a week or two of new season registration and thinking of the season's format.
This means it should kick off somewhere in early April.
>>46074135
ONR has the most stressful job right now, we can't let reddit win
>>46075163
Tendril fucked it.
>>46004672
Well you can only really start playing Chaos Pact properly once they have been developed because your Marauders start with no skills and the rest of your team barely has any as well.
>>46075163
As i understand, this is the team ONR will be up against:
https://fumbbl.com/p/team?op=view&showmatches=1&team_id=821077
14-(wo)man Amazon team. 1450 TV, no +stats on anyone, 3 guard across entire team, including one on a linewoman. 6 Players with block. Of the 4 blitzers, 2 provide guard, one is a Frenzy+MB, the other is POMBTackle. One kicker, one fouler, one ball carrier. No passing skills to speak of, no block on Sure Hands linewoman either.
Animeted clothing would certainly have a better chance against this team, but even ONR should not have too much trouble. Even without tackle, there's always a 1/9 chance for an instant turnover every time they dodge.
>>46075251
Too many Badly Hurt elves I'm afraid. I also played kinda badly, but hey.
>>46075339
The amazons still need to win the final, and the second semi hasn't been played yet.
>tfw you realize just how much more fun GW specialist games are as opposed to their flagship games
>tfw you had the opportunity to play them years ago but hardly knew they existed and now it's too late
I swear to god if GW wasn't stupid and had shilled their other games more they would've had more profit out of them, hopefully they shill the relaunch hard and don't kill them through judaism
>>46077173
Always wanted to buy BB, never did, why was i so stupid? I could have that sweet morg n thorg art box right now
>>46048552
> The most common skills taken by vet players are block, dodge, tackle, guard and mighty blow.
this is broadly true
the rest of it is not
but you do not want to spam tackle, it's a waste of time
you do want a sure hands ball carrier
lots of teams take fend as a second skill on cheap linos
most ag4 teams will want a strip ball player, most ag3 will not
>>46048056
>dodge is a 20,000 GP sink and %100 worthless if the other guys has tackle
this is not true. it would only be true if every opposition player has tackle. no teams run like that. your worst case scenario is dwarves, and even then most developed dwarf teams will still never have more than about 75% tackle. most other teams will be at 40% max.
>>46034085
>Tackle is OP as fucking shit making some teams worthless at higher TV's.
this is just not true. the only team that could make this case are zons and zons are actually fine at higher tv
>it should not have any effect when i am dodging away. If you want to make it suck to dodge away
it's only denying you free rr's from dodge, it's not making dodging any harder. tackle spam has virtually no effect on elf gameplay from that perspective. i can guarantee that good elf players fear tackle far more for it's ability to get knockdowns and form part of nasty combos like tacklepomb than they do for its effect on dodging. DT does actually require more planning around for elves by far.
>>46048056
>I would not give block to a player with wrestle no. redundant and pointless.
I would agree but there is a notable exception which is wardancers. there is a good case for a strip ball/tackle wardancer to also take wrestle. for 20 tv on a developed team it's worth it. that kind of leaping ball hawking threat is outrageous, and the key thing about the wrestle bit is it makes -2d's much more palatable. and the fact is that you can very easily turn games on -2d's when you have the right skills. (gutter runners are a case in point as they tend to need those more often)
>>46079050
Block and Wrestle is just a little bloaty, Its very good to be able to choose whether you want them both on the ground, neither of them on the ground, or potentially just the enemy on the ground.
