WE END TIMES NOW!
WE AGE OF SIGMAR!
CRAWLING IN MY SKINNNN
Reminds me of the new aos khorne models
>>45109213
>WE AGE OF SIGMAR!
The fact that BL will busy with The Beast Rises for at least a year gives me hope we don't have to worry about Age of Emperor just yet.
Though whereas the Ultramarines and Grey Knights appeared to have leveled off, it seems the Space Woofs are just going to keep getting more speshul.
>>45109292
Where stand the Blood Angels?
>“It’s True the End Times Draw Near. The Wulfen can strike out of the Warp anywhere in the galaxy to fight alongside their brothers.
>Their savagery infects their Space Wolf Brothers….”
JUST
>>45109213
Why do they all have to be in a stupid one leg in the air running pose. I fucking hate those poses, they look so dumb.
>>45109352
you can thank modern gw for that
>>45109352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecSCaZ_XPlo&ab_channel=NikolaRamljak
>>45109213
>Alas, poor Yorick!
Remember when Space Wolves were aesthetically just marines with a few wolf decorations.
Wasn't that nice.
>>45109330
Wulfen vs Legion of the Damned..
Who would you like to support you in your time of dire need?
>>45109213
>You know, instead of keeping the feral werewolf faces and claws, we'll give them hairywolf legs. So they look like some kind of satyrs. And mohawks.
I'm not even angry any more. I feel nothing about this.
>>45109499
legion. they're total bros
>>45109499
Legion, because it don't have to be checked for fleas later on.
>>45109499
Wulfen are now warp infected instead of geneseed mutated dudes? The fuck?
>>45109527
But you would be smelling of sulfur and brimstone for weeks.
>>45109536
Who or what implied that?
>>45109504
You are just mad that you can't play furry marines.
>>45109506
What was your breaking point anon?
>>45109544
A real man is suppose to smell like a forge.
>>45109580
I dont know about the other anon but mine was Aos
it showed that gw is just suicidal at this point
>>45109580
let's be totally honest here.
That's exactly what the fucking Space Wolves would do, even the old hard core ones. furry legs versus scary man-wolves is worse than hover sled pulled by dire wolves.
>>45109591
So burnt hair? This is different to a dogman how?
>>45109579
But they are even more furry now.
0/10
>>45109316
Blood Angels have never been accused of being speshul snowflakes, as far as I'm aware.
At least not like the Ultras/Knights/Wolves
>>45109213
>Death Companies now go around with dracula capes and fanged helmets
JUST SIGN ME UP.
>>45109230
>that one nid warrior
>that look of horror as fabulous muscle werewolves are about to dance then murder his brood easily
>that look of horror as he'll never please the hivemind and murder these things
>>45109589
>they can strike out of the warp
Disappearing into the Warp was always part of their deal
>their savagery infects their brothers
The Warp is not the only thing that can infect people. In fact, lots of things can infect people.
Nothing implies that they are warp-infected.
>>45109499
Legion of the Damned is cooler.
>>45109580
I think it was somewhere around all the name changes - Astra Militarum and all that crap.
>Giving thunder hammers and shields to fucking warp-mutants
>Giving them unique guns. or any ranged weapon.
I gotta admit the TH/SS guy's pose looks cool.
The only hope here is that maybe this is a sign combat is back and possessed / mutilators will be halfway decent.
Wulfen are an elite choice right? I'll be tempted to just ally them to my traitor guard as Satyr's Dark wolves.
>>45109683
You mean totally unprotected, unexplained warp travel is not kind of a giveaway?
It's a shame that there'll probably only one of each weapon option in the kit, pack leader aside.
Because those S+3 AP2 axes for 8pts are way too good to not take by default.
>>45109213
Me on the right, between 3rd and 5th
>>45109213
holy fucking shit it is really happening
so fucking glad I soldall my 40k stuff when age of sigmar hit roflmao
![[Slapping and Clapping intensifies].jpg.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A1kWlRr.jpg "[Slapping and Clapping intensifies].jpg.jpg")
>>45109778
>S+3 AP2 axes for 8pts
>AP2 axes for 8pts
>AP2
>8pts
>>45109632
did you forgot when GW released all the nipple-plated blood angels and the Sanguinor
>>45109683
wait, wouldn't that make the wulfen infection more psychological? like yawning i guess
>>45109724
we all hope so.
>>45109330
The current era has been called the Time of Ending for some time already
According to naftka, the thunder hammer is helfrost, so it's an Eternal Warrior ignoring thunderhammer.
Why do the Yiffs have so much "Remove from play" bullshit. The Eldar and Necrons have like 1 each and they're the most advances races in the setting.
Also, I really hope the heads will be seperate bits or at least easy to remove. They're just begging to be replaced by those wolf's head helmets from the basic SW box.
>>45109800
I started browsing /tg/ with the 5e Dark Eldar dex dropped actually.
>>45109802
Yeah, for maybe 4 years now. They've never done anything with that concept, though.
>>45109778
Deutsch is a beautiful language really
>>45109808
well they didn't spend enough time in the warp and fuck xenos i suppose
>>45109808
Because the most speshul of all space marines has special donut steal helfrost(tm) technology.
>>45109778
"I am Bjorn SickBurnBruh, and I challenge you to a dance-off in the name of Emperor!"
>>45109213
utterly hideous. what the fuck happened to GW?
>>45109799
Unwieldy
>>45109799
That's totally okay. That's just five swings of S8 AP2 at I5 on the charge. No problem.
Same goes for the S+1 AP2 Shred weapon pair for 12pts.
>>45109316
They got a bit toned down with their new dex.
But 5e in general was the whole All Space Marines codexes suffered from special snowflake syndrome.
>>45109868
Their current designers have it in their heads that dancy poses and way too much detail are all they need
>>45109213
haha, really? the 20 years old wulfen are way better than these
>>45109877
Not on the charge.
>>45109877
Not on the charge
Plus everyone else pays at least 15 points for an unwieldy AP2
>>45109889
>But 5e in general was the whole All Space Marines codexes suffered from special snowflake syndrome.
Most of them have been toned down or leveled out.
When will the Space Yiff's wild ride end?
Nice flayer virus you got there.
>>45109877
Not on the charge, where it'll strike at I5. And given their speed, punch and potential transport, they'll be doing that a lot.
jesus christ, why the legs?
WHY???
these could have been good without that
>>45109824
>They're just begging to be replaced by those wolf's head helmets
If you're a fucking faggot. those wolfyMCwolf helmets are garbage.
And i'm not even someone who gets upset over the modern 'too much wolf' SW's, those heads just look shit on even basic marines, and will look terrible on hairy unarmored werewolf men. Get your shit together anon.
>>45109917
So long as their the studio's pet army. Never
>>45109799
>melee units
>40k
have fun dying to millions of shurikens, mon-keigh
>>45109915
>>45109916
>>45109931
Wait a Frost axe is just a power axe with 1+ S right?
You're telling me it loses unwieldy on the charge? and this shit costs 8 points? Fuck men i have not fought SW since the old dex but if this is true these dudes are going to be such a fire magnet.
>>45110025
Plus THREE strength
>Remove From Play Thunder Hammer
The power creep has no end does it?
>>45109977
>Warpstalkers: Wulfen can enter from reserves on turn 1. When deploying via deep-strike, don't roll for scatter.
>Wolfhunt: Wulfen units can assault in the same turn they arrive by deep-strike
>>45109923
>>45110025
Lightning Claws : S-User AP3 Shred
Wolf Claws : S-User+1 AP3 Shred
Frost Claws : S-User+2 AP2 Shred
Because having Wolfclaws wasn't special enough. They have to out snowflake their snowflake equipment. (Which is cheaper than before because REASONS)
>>45110077
>what is overwatch
>>45109230
THESE WOLVES THEY WILL NOT HEEEEL
>>45110025
A regular Frost Axe from the SW 'dex is S+2 AP2 Unwieldy. It costs 20pts.
A new Two-handed Frost Axe is S+3 AP2 Two-handded 'Merciless Strike' (which means it strikes at regular I on the charge and is Unwieldy otherwise). It costs 8pts.
>>45110095
not much of a threat unless you got flamers or play tau
>>45110088
>>45110117
One fucking day, every model that with a good save will be considered overpriced garbage because they charge points for a save they never get to use
>>45109580
5th edition GK codex
fuck Draigo
>>45110064
>>45109778
Helfrost Thunder Hammer with Stormshield 20 points.
>The regular dex, terminator armor with regular Thunderhammer + Stormshield 30 points.
>Outside of terminator plate a thunderhammer is 30 points alone
They're also keeping up the tradition of being vanilla marines +1
>>45110147
Hammernators are 45 points
>>45109213
Do they have actual wolf legs now? How long until they're full furry?
>>45110088
Lightning Claw pair: 30pts
Wolf Claw Pair: 30pts
Frost Claw pair: 12pts
Seems reasonable.
>>45109824
>S8 AP1 Helfrost pistols
>S+3 AP2 Axes with full Initiative at charge
ok
I like them
>>45110176
I was only looking at the armory. My mistake.
>>45110178
I think those are called Thunderwolves.
>>45110134
My Lion's Blade DA gunline with overwatch at full BS are laughing at melee armies. For that matter so do my Ravenwing.
>>45109778
My killa kanz were dropeed to str 7 for THIS shit?
>>45110088
>>45110181
I'm one of those guys who insists "the game is meant to be played casually with friends!" and GW is starting to tick even me off.
They literally do not give a shit.
>>45110204
This is what gets me, they ALREADY have fast durable models that can be tooled up to pack a punch in melee
>>45109808
>eternal warrior ignoring weaponry
It's official, GW has become Privateer Press
>>45110178
They are already way past that point. Look up "There are no wolves on Fenris."
>>45109683
No, the rune priest from the 13th company made the warp teleport thing. Not the wulfen by themself.
>>45109962
>Space Wolves
>pet army
>>45109213
>Bottom Right
He looks like fucking Grim Fandango with melting arms
>>45110212
i'll admit it; i don't play much but talk a lot of shit. my army doesn't even have a lot of 'regular' guns that can do overwatch and the last few times i charged into combat it did maybe a wound
>>45110183
>>45110077
The time of Tau is at an end already. RIP Riptides.
>>45109213
Those things are literally Distraction Carnifexes.
No fucking way anyone is going to let all that remove from play and AP1&2 come anywhere close.
>>45109580
GW has surpassed itself once again!
>>45110372
>now this is weird grimdark podracing
>>45110349
Except they can deep strike without scatter and assault the same turn. Your only chance to respond is overwatch.
>>45109213
i used to roll my eyes at those who cried 'wolfy wolfing wolf fuckers' at the Space wolves... There is no denying it. there just isn't.
>>45109778
>Die Iron Priests statten die Wulfen für den Kampf[...]
When will they stop with this stupid half-way translations?
>>45109800
>Sanguinor
fight me
>>45110349
These will either be run as a force multiplier in a huge pile of bloodclaws, TWC and assorted shit, or they will come via Stormwolf, i.e. hardly any chance to do much about them anyway.
>>45110349
They deep strike and can charge the same turn.
There wasn't even casual attempt at balance being made with these guys.
>>45109845
It is, I'm taking courses for it in college right now, though I'm just elementary level.
Ich heiße Herr Anon, Anon-san
>>45110386
They can't. >>45110077 is full of shit.
They are good, but that is nonsense.
>>45109580
>>45110386
>>45110408
Eurgh, really? That's real?
Why the fuck is GW undoing all the limitations they spent two editions enforcing with this one unit
>>45110372
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyooooooooooooom
>>45110386
>Except they can deep strike without scatter and assault the same turn. Your only chance to respond is overwatch
Hahaha wow they're not even trying anymore. Meanwhile Dark Eldar can't do shit after DS.
So glad I don't play anymore
>>45110431
Na, dann halte dich mal ran, damit du bald eine normale Unterhaltung mit dem Rest von uns führen kannst.
>>45110386
I don't see that rule anywhere on the 3 screenshots. Source?
>>45110440
No, they can't, unless that's a formation bonus I haven't seen yet. As is, they buff other SW via Curse of the Wulfen, can run and charge in the same turn via Far Leaps and attack again after dying via Death Frenzy.
>>45110143
... that already happens with MEQ.
>>45110440
Nah it's made up shit. Think about it for a second.
Super high S/AP melee with remove from play weaponry able to drop down and immediately kill anything in range. No way.
>>45110475
It's bullshit. Don't listen to >>45110077
>>45110512
>Super high S/AP melee with remove from play weaponry able to drop down and immediately kill anything in range. No way.
Well they are a collector's model company after all. The rules are just a bonus :v)
>>45110143
Welcome to roughly three editions ago, anon.
>>45110226
That has never been an excuse for shitty rules.
>>45110475
I think that was just a joke, it doesnt appear on the rules
How long until we start seeing weapons on elites that ignore invulnerable saves?
Goddamn those are shit models
>>45110558
At least one more Eldar/ Tau release cycle.
>>45110512
>no way
We live in a time where anybody will believe ANY rumour about GW. Because they have proved time and time again they are stupid enough to do most of it.
>>45109579
Yes, and? Some people want furry marines, not just furries.
>>45110558
This.
And then they'll introduce SUPER INVULNS that ignore invuln ignoring weapons.
And then Eternal warrior becomes as common as IC, but every power weapon or instant death becomes 'remove from play'
also by ths point every monster can Stomp and the table is now just a 3+ roll for Deathblow
And then the new rule 'Living Legend' becomes a thing, and it ignores remove from play and only Space wolves and maybe Calgar get it
>>45110558
>new chaos book
>the long neglected 1k sons have finally studied enough and had enough of the space wolves bullshit
>inferno rounds become ap1
>can take heavy bolters or autocannons
>got a new lv1 spell that also lets them ignore cover and invuls
>ahriman becomes lv6 with the ability to harness spells on 3s rerolling 1s and ignore perils
>preferred enemy space wolves
>>45110447
Ork hover-chariot pulled by grot-team when
>>45110646
Armor saves become irrelevant as everything is AP2 and AP1, AP existing purely as an anti-tank stat
>>45110653
>chaos getting op stuff
R u havin a giggle m8?
>>45110653
nah, just change to ap4 and +5 pts hike to compensate
>>45109213
Been a space wolf player since 2001. other than the master of the dance they look pretty great, better than the hairy mexicans we used to have.
>>45110653
Gotta be honest, Ahriman and maybe Eldrad deserve a bit more than ML4 seeing as ML3 are everywhere.
I'd love to be able to field my fluffy TSons again without getting stomped every time.
>>45110704
>Been a space wolf player since 2001
You have my condolences.
>>45110529
Being permitted to buy such finely casted collector's pieces and the specially formulated paints and glues required to finish them is a privilege, not a right
>>45110704
Shouldn't have painted their skin brown, m80.
>>45110704
You are a shame to every SW player. Hell, even every human being.
>>45110688
one day anon we'll burn down everything including ourselves to show how much we really hate ourselves. whoops that's a bit too personal but that's how i see the chaos marines
>>45110715
But getting stomped is the defining attribute of playing fluffy Thousand Sons.
Speaking of that, I need to start playing again and get my seasonal win in with them.
>>45110704
>Werewolves in power armor are bad
>Fauns with slayer hair are good
Well, there are people who are into scat, who am I to complain.
>>45110687
Don't forget all guns ignore cover, all flamers are torrent, and rending is just remove from play on a 4+And then everyone realizes in a world where your 400+ pts unit or model can be removed by a boltgun it is actually the 3 point Gretchin that reigns supremeAll armies replaced with various Grot factions, the Red Gobbo returns, and thus Grothamma 40k is born.
>>45110744
>tfw you will never get to tear down the sigmarine statue in front of GW hq by hitching it to an apc and then drape an American flag over its face while short, brown, hairy Bongladeshis swarm around it beating it with their shoes
>>45110704
Honestly, I am kinda warming up to them, too. Heads are not that great, but rest looks kinda cool and helmets exist for a reason...
Send help!
>>45110726
“The studio, the creative part of Games Workshop, had always been kept apart from the sales part of it. One thing Bryan said was that if the sales people got to be in charge of the studio, it would destroy the studio, and that’s exactly what happened.”
leik dis if u cry everyteim
>>45110796
Source on quote?
>>45110796
I was gonna post that but I was too lazy to find the exact quote.
>>45110831
http://unpluggedgames.co.uk/features/blood-dice-and-darkness-how-warhammer-defined-gaming-for-a-generation/
>>45109213
At least you're getting new models.
Oh look, a shitposting thread.
We saw this about 5 days ago, seen translated rules, had the shitposting about them already.
As for "End Times", you do realise it's been the Time of Ending for 40k for at least a decade and specifically mentioned as Time of Ending for 4 years at least?
Fuck off shitposting.
>>45110571
True. Give me back the 90's any day.
>>45110646
>AoS removes massive BRB rules and puts them 'depth' in each factions, giving them something unique
>OMFG AGE OF SHITMAR FUCKING GEE DUBBYA OMG GEE DUBBYA IS DEAD THIS IS IT FOR REALSIES THIS TIME!
>40k adds more rules
>OMFG FUCKING GW MAKING SO MANY RULES FUCKING GEE DUBBYA OMG GEE DUBBYA IS DEAD THIS IS IT FOR REALSIES THIS TIME!
>>45110831
Rick Priestly in an interview for a three-part piece on the rise and fall of GW by some boardgames website I forget what it was called
>>45110239
And so the serpent has bitten its own tail
>>45110857
The GWIDF has arrived
>>45110791
Queeners don't deserve to be liberated. They love a nice boot stamping over their face, be it the goverment, the monarchy or the evil overlords from GW.
>>45110779
Literally the reason why I shelved 4k points of Deathwing and now enjoy no-upgrade Greenwing.
>>45110842
>>45110796
Odd thing is... which is what makes me question the whole interview. Is, if I can remember correctly, it mentioned the end of specialist games and how that's a problem.
But... GW has literally just opened a brand new specialist game studio and we've already seen leaked new models and shit.
If it has 'destroyed the studio', why is it still going? Why hasn't it died yet?
>>45110372
Warhammrr racing speciality game when? Or better yet some sort of Warhammer themed twisted metal
>>45109438
Truly, it was a better time.
>>45110891
What the fuck you on about? How is anything I said defending GW? I literally attacked the shit new models, how is that me defending it?
Do you mean my point about, you know, pointing out exactly what happens no matter what GW does? How is that me defending them? That's me pointing shit out. That's like you go "OMG THE NAZI INTERNET DEFENCE FORCE IS HERE CAUSE YOU SAID THE NAZI PARTY WAS IN POWER IN 1940!!!"
>>45109504
Could you not just put the heads, arms and bodies on, say ASM legs?
>>45110907
Inertia
GW will never die, it will live on like a necrotic thunder ape-lich, hooting and flinging its shit at passers by, eternal thanks to its phylactory of liscenced IP
>>45110857
Are you such a blind GW fanboy you cannot realise that both too few and too many rules is a bad thing?
Age of Sigmar was a fucking stupid idea, the current direction of 40k is also fucking stupid.
>>45110891
Reminder that 16% of /tg/ is GWIDF
Something about the expression is just so fucking hilarious to me.
>>45110909
There is rules for that in one of the WD's. It's essentially Wacky Racers though. I'm sure somebody has them.
However, since the Specialist Game Division has been rebuilt, we might see a 40k racing game. I think the 'fluffy' way of doing that will have it set in Commorrgah.
>>45110907
The new specialist games studio will pump out stuff like dreadfleet and that assassin game, not continue battlefleet gothic or whatever.
>>45110372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1qe-778dUw
[Character selection intensifies]
>>45109438
>>45110915
Remember when the modelers and converters made them more Space Vikings and less yiffing faggots in fursuit?
>>45109800
To be fair; one or two silly kits doesn't put BA anywhere NEAR the realm of Wolf Wolf speshulness
>>45110941
>if you don't automatically attack everything GW does, you're GWIDF
Uh-huh.
>>45110940
Where is the cut off point? AoS doesn't have 'few rules', the base games does, true, but the individual units all have shit to remember which is a pain. Is it less complicated? Sure, but it isn't void of anything. As for 40k, you're right in that it's getting close to that, but I don't think it will. I think we're at the limit. New special rules? Maybe. But I don't think we'll see anything like Snap Shots added into the game any time soon.
I dunno, perhaps if you, or /tg/, wrote a detailed 'paper' on what needs to be fixed/changed, then sent it to GW, they'd listen or look over it. Hell, they have an email just for that, but I doubt anybody here uses it.
>>45109889
>>45109917
If only they had left the BA with some good rules/toys after the snowflake scrub was done.
>>45110935
They are just lucky they had such a large playerbase when AoS hit.
The loss of players that caused would kill most other companies immediately.
>>45110996
They would not even bother reading it, their current rules decisions are driven entirely by what they think will make them more money.
That is why they ditched point values and army restrictions entirely for AoS.
>>45110143
So, a lot like right now?
>>45110956
I dunno if you're shitposting or being ignorant on purpose, either way....
>>45110956
>>45111059
And another one.
Oh and I won't bother linking the, you know, leaked Blood Bowl minis and other models they're going to be selling... Don't want to do this, it's illegal after all, you know, owning niggers.
>>45111059
So where's the Necromunda or Battlefleet Gothic? That's right, not coming. At best they'll sell the remaining models under that label and put the rules up as free pdf's again.
>>45111091
calm down dude. you got shit on. it's okay.
>>45111082
>>45111059
>>45110956
You know what? I like a good beat down, so fuck it!
>>45110226
Yeah with every release since 7th hit, I've told myself "They're gonna pull their heads out of their asses soon, they'll try to make the game better next."
And with every subsequent release? Disbelief or disappointment. I sold my CSM. I sold my Daemons. I'm now going to sell my Nids. Which leaves me with IG, BA, and HH Night Lords. And a game thats damn near unplayable.
GW will go out of business before they make 40k a good game. In fact, everything theyve done for the past 15+ months suggests they will continue to make arbitrary, non-sensical decisions with regards to rules and balance. They just dont get it, or they are trying to squeeze out a few shekels while they tank the entire business.
Sales are shrinking for a reason. I'm done giving money to Games Workshop.
>>45111091
>b-b-but it'll only be pdf
>literally released pictures of new Bloodbowl minis
>b-b-b-b-ut it won't be BFG or Necromunda despite them saying so!!!!!!!
More new stuff.
Shame GW has their head so far up their own arse they will probably make the specialist games pointless by pricing themselves out of any sales.
The BFG stuff should be in the same price range as FSA for example but I half expect them to go twice that.
>>45111126
>"revamped" bloodbowl
Oh that's great, we are going to get a space dreadfleet called battlefleet gothic too
>>45110926
>That's like you go "OMG THE NAZI INTERNET DEFENCE FORCE IS HERE CAUSE YOU SAID THE NAZI PARTY WAS IN POWER IN 1940!!!"
aka exactly what happens in /hwg/ every day
>>45111174
A handful of ships would be nice for RT actually.
>>45110239
How so? Please explain I am ignorant of Privateer Press.
>>45111170
Overpriced boxed games, one would think GW has learned their lesson.
>>45111204
>weapons have a rule
>rule has a counter-rule that negates rule
>weapon that has rule has another rule that specifically counters said counter-rule
Eternal warrior shouldn't be negatable, period.
>>45111261
It was fine imo when it was on short range beam weapons of necrons, or on a single aspect's Exarch's sword.
But the fucking yiffs have got in on their thunder hammers and pistol, and giant fucking beam cannons with blast templates.
>>45111289
Necrons only had it on their monolith, and a 16" beam weapon from a forgeworld creature.
>>45111200
Yes, but only a few people bought dreadfleet for models.
GW fucked their old BFG up good too, the studio stopped updating rules and gave the mission to freelancers. They made the rules for Admech and Craftworld Eldar fleets for GW, and then moved on to Rogue Traders (which had GW models but no rules yet) Legion fleets and updating the original release but inbetween GW had decided that they wouldn't update BFG any more, even for free, and refused all updates, and eventually took down everything BFG-related.
>>45110907
>Why hasn't it died yet?
The strength of the 40k IP. And thats it.
But make no mistake, GW is slowly dying. Their yearly shareholders report has illustrated this for the past 5 years. They've pulled out all the tricks in attempts to stop the bleeding, yet it has continued. This years will be the worst yet, mark it.
>>45111132
I saw which way the wind was blowing in 2010 with Apocalypse and all that shit. "ppl luv baneblades let's make a million giant $200 vehicles and start stealing ideas from forgeworld"
Basically apocalypse made it apparent that rules were now intended solely to sell models (even more than each new codex being more op than the last, which really started with the tau and daemonhunters), this was also when the released the daemon horde army that you can use in both whfb amd 40k! They removed daemonettes tits, made new dark elves shitting, started charging $25/10 basic infantry, and I just had enough.
Let subscription to white dwarf run out, stopped buying their minis (only box I bought between 2010-now was empire huntsmen to kitbash into mordheim witch hunters).
I'm still keeping my armies because I like them and I can just play old editions with my similarly-disillusioned core group of gaming buddies, and I can use them as proxies (whfb for Kings of War for instance).
I played a 7,000 point 4-player game of whfb over the summer using 7th edition rules and had a blast, so even if I only do something like that twice a year I'd rather keep my collection than pawn it for a couple thousand bucks
But GW is dead to me, all new minis I'm interested in are historicals (bolt action and Hail Caesar/warhammer ancient battles)
>>45110907
You completely missed the point of his statement. The studio isn't doing anything creative anymore, this is the case with what is happening right now. They are reproducing the same products that they made decades ago. They are not inventing anything new, they are not trying anything new, they are recycling their old intellectual properties.
>>45111332
I haven't read a shareholder report in a while. Do they have any idea that people think their new fluff sucks? That their models are exorbitantly priced? That their game is horrifically balanced and only getting worse?
Any one of those things?
>>45110983
One set of nipple armor in the tactical box, and The Sanguinor? That makes BA special snowflakes?
Anon has over-committed to hating everything.
>>45111344
Age of Sigmar was something new, although no doubt driven by unprofitability of the WHFB mastodon.
>>45111334
I think the plastic Baneblade was the start of the end.
28mm is just the wrong scale for the size of games GW is pushing 40k into.
>>45111332
It is swiftly approaching the point of no return, where even if they pull their collective heads out of their assets, it'll be too late to save. Old fans are dropping like flies with each stupid decision, and prices prevent the vast majority of potential new players from investing. There's enough wealthy idiots out there to keep GW on life-support for a while, just like there will always be morons who pay $150 for a gun skin in CS:GO, but there's not enough of them to provide each other with opponents
>>45111374
All shareholder reports available on GW's site repeat Tom Kirby's mantra:
"We are a manufacturer, not a retailer"
"Our customers are driven by desire to collect and own miniatures alone"
Background and rules are not a concern in any investor report.
>>45111390
And its uninspired dreck that was released in perhaps the most incompetent way possible.
Also WHFB was still profitable and was one of the top 5 selling wargames when they started planning to get rid of it. Even with the poor rules of 8th edition and huge barrier it still made money.
>>45111379
It's Anon, hating everything is what he does.
>>45111436
How disheartening
>>45109213
>>45109230
PREMIUM MINIATURES FOR A PREMIUM PRICE
>>45111379
Sanguinary Guard. But to be fair it's very Greek, and Europe has always had a fascination with the Greek fascination of Heroic Nudity.
>>45111436
The question is, do they actually believe that.
>>45109364
HAHAA FUCK
>>45111436
Their corporate culture is nauseating.
but guys gw is too big to fall and then if it falls the fallout will be immense. though it'll probably be like heavy metal where the underground is live and well
>>45110907
Dude, it takes a blind man not to spot the complete death of creativity in GW. Their biggest new thing - AoS - has literally rehashed Space Marines. This is a company that has outright stated that they are not a gaming company but rather a collectible model producer. Everyone who did real creative work for them has left. Even back when Andy Chambers quit he stated outright that GW simply stopped being a creative place to work.
I like 40k, but GW has a serious problem with their priorities.
>>45111454
>>45111436
>The games are a key part of both our Hobby and our business model. Our games are played between people present in a room (a Hobby centre, a club, a school), not with a screen. They are truly social and build a real sense of community and comradeship. This again makes good business sense. The more fun and enjoyable we make our games, the more customers we attract and retain, and the more miniatures our customers want to buy. This in turn allows us to reinvest in making more and more exciting miniatures and games, which creates a virtuous circle for all.
According to their stated business model; better rules should in theory be a priority.
>>45111512
AoS was like a wrecking ball to the fantasy community, the level of spite and anger is crazy. And in many areas its killed 40k, let alone fantasy gaming.
But on the other hand thousands of wargamers are now investing in dozens of other games that are both cheaper and have better rules.
The ONLY thing 40k has going for it is its IP and they are doing their best to water down and butcher all the good stuff about it.
>>45110857
>le ebin shitposting
AoS dint do anything but water down fantasy so little jimmy can have a turn
we saw the same shit happen when geedubs released a bunch of large units and special characters. we wont see endtimes in 40k yet but were getting there
>>45111490
The suits probably do, Priestley didn't according to his interview:
>The current attitude in Games Workshop is that they’re not a games company, it’s that they’re a model company selling collectibles. That’s something I find wholly self-deceiving and couldn’t possibly agree with.
>>45111332
You mean the worst since 2005? This is the history of GW's stock value going back to July 2, 2004. As you can see, despite the constant cries of apocalypse from this board, the worst drop in price for GW in recent memory occured two years ago, and (I'm willing to guess) was the result of a market correction more than anything else. Although, if we look at short-term price fluctuations, it may seem like GW is suffering, I would assert that GW is merely experiencing a fall-off of sales after the initial wave of interest in AoS (one might note a massive jump in stock price around the time AoS came out, if one looked at the one-year data), rather than the result of a company facing insolvency. Combining this with patterns that clearly emerge at various scales (such as the fact that GW tends to experience a dip in stock value at the end of the year, likely due to people spending more money on presents than minis during the holiday season), I would predict that GW is a decent investment in the 5-to-10 year range. In other words: no, GW isn't slowly dying, its holding steady. This can be next to death if a company doesn't do anything about it: which GW is. The sky is not falling.
>>45111374
No, they seem to live by the phrase 'willful ignorance'.
It's so ridiculously over the top, that I have wondered if management is purposely trying to go out of business. A lot of the people I know who are 'sticking it out' in regards to 40k are even coming to the end of their ropes.
Even if they released a streamlined brb, and 16 perfectly balanced codexes, TODAY. I dont think it would be enough. The demise of 40k as we've known it for the past 20 years, is inevitable. Until the past few months I thought it was just a rough patch. But this isnt a rough patch. Its a fundamental disconnect with the players and the industry. And Id guess its got 5 years left at the most. Then GW will likely try to re-invent the game, whuch we've all seen how that goes.
>>45110857
Please tell me you're just pretending to be retarded.
>>45111444
>>45111630
Seeing that GW experienced an uptick in stock value after AoS, and even after correction, still appears to be slightly more valuable, I suspect you are wrong about WHFB making money, or, at least, as much money as you imply.
Linking to my previous post so that all interested can take a look at the 1-year data for themselves.
>>45111631
Wouldn't that be sad, a cabal desperately trying to drive a business into the ground but failing.
>>45111059
Why is White Dwarf STILL White Dwarf. Shouldn't it be White Duardin? I'm not even trying to shit post but why isn't it
>>45111582
Eh the problem with WHFB was that Kirby thought the solution was "make hordes so good that anybody who doesn't run them will get stomped, that means they'll buy more boxes, which means more money!", what he didn't realise, as he's a prick, was that little timmy comes in, wants to get into WHFB, gets told he needs 300 Clan Rats, 500 Skaven Slaves, 100 Storm Vermin and all the clobber to go with it, and the price tag baulks the parent. Then he sees 40k, where an army can be anything from 40 models to 400. Which made it the cheaper option (relatively, though in reality GW has increased their prices bout £2.50 in total, but added shit loads more stuff to sprues).
Anyway, WHFB was already struggling, Kirby just ended it with the rules idea. AoS, no matter what people say, is at least a way to get kids into it. Where 5 models is a legal army, for example. It's not great for old players, not supporting it, but I hope it means that more players join AoS and I can finally have games again.
My guess is it'll do a WHFB, couple of editions will be minor rules, then they'll get more complex.
It sucks, but, there we go.
>>45111714
>uplift in stock
>drove away their oldest fans, caused huge amounts of bad will with LGS's and blew a hole in sales so large the hugely popular Betrayal at Calth could not fill it even with all the WHFB fans panic buying models to finish their armies.
All that proves is that stock price does not seem to accurately represent what is going on.
And the only reason WHFB was getting less profitable was GW's own stupidity.
>>45111776
>I can finally have games again.
Why don't you play an actual good game.And they raised the prices to even more insane levels for AoS, its still going to drive people away.
I doubt AoS will even get a second edition, if they are willing to bin their oldest IP that casually why would they keep AoS around given its terrible performance?
>>45111630
No one mentioned share prices anon. Not sure why you decided to spaz out about them.
I mentioned sales have been shrinking every year for 5 (6?) years. Which actually is the proverbial sky falling. Cutting the fat and corporate trickery have kept profits flat for the past few years, but that doesnt work forever. Eventually you need sales to level off, or perhaps even increase. But the opposite is happening.
I get that you like 40k, I do too. And I want it to remain a successful game for a long time. But that isnt guaranteed.
Googling GW's share prices over the past decade isnt an argument. Its one piece of the discussion, and not a particularly relevant one. Shares are one metric used to measure the health of a company. If you think that picture you googled is impenetrable armor for GW - try googling Chrysler and GM's decade leading up to their total collapse. And they would not exist today had the Federal government not decided to bail them out with tax dollars.
GW is not special. If sales continue to shrink, or the shrink accelerates, you'll see.
>>45111695
In what respect, anon? What have I done wrong there?
I was pointing out the reaction of /tg/ and several other communities. I wasn't supporting, nor attacking anything. I also mentioned bringing back the 90's models, unless you think the CAD stuff we get is fantastic? I dunno. I think some is good, some is meh, some is not my cup of tea. The BA Chaplain recently released was cool. I liked the exclusive SM Captains. Ad Mech were cool. But these are meh.
Oh, and protip, I advise you to read up on Socratic Irony. It's part of Socratic Method. I forget I'm on 4chan sometimes and this has been dumbed down, or altered, into "pretending to be retarded".
>>45111742
Guess it's because White Dwarf is a copyrightable 'thing', while Dwarf is not. They copyright Grombrindal, but not Dwarf. Since Grombrindal is the "White Dwarf", that's protectable.
>>45111630
>>45111714
GW shill detected.
>>45111844
See, terrible performance, I've not seen anything to support this outside of claims that FLGS is selling it for 70% off and stuff.
I'm fine if it is, but I've not seen any solid evidence for it.
As for binning the IP. Well, the alternative was nothing at all. Not only was it losing money (though people deny it was) but it was not defensible from a legal point of view. Blame Chapter House for that.
As for raising the prices, when 5 models is a legal army, it's still going to be less than WHFB. I don't think GW cares as long as it makes more money than WHFB was.
Binning it casually is a bit harsh, they did spend over a year releasing novels and campaign books and models and shit for it, I don't think it was done casually, but that's my opinion.
But I would appreciate some actual evidence of AoS doing terrible, some financial statements or something. I know GW's profits dropped to £16m instead of £16.6m, but since the specialist games studio was set up, could be the culprit.
As I said, if you have any solid evidence, it'd be nice to see so I can discuss with people i talk/play with about it.
>>45111910
Nah, just a typical layman. People with no background or experience in how a public company runs usually gravitate to share prices as a simple black/white metric.
When someone posts a google image of a graph displaying market performance over a period - you can probably just ignore them.
>>45109802
Same in Fantasy, since 3e before 40k existed.
>>45109352
I wouldn't mind running poses, but they aren't even that, theyre literally one leg raised awkwardly or directly up, it looks weird and not fluid
>>45109834
Actually, they dumbed a lot of End Times lore and advanced and resolved a lot of End Time plotlines.
>>45111910
>>45111859
>>45111802
I'm not acting like I've made a foolproof argument: I'm simply saying that GW has SOMETHING going for them right now. Now, I'm willing to guess that "something" very well might be "clever economic legerdemain", but GW does appear to be taking honest steps to make the company more stable. That, and I'm a contrarian who gets tired of hearing "THIS IS THE END FOR GW" literally every single time a new piece of data comes to light, regardless of its nature. But this is a containment thread for that, so I really don't know what else I was expecting.
>>45111332
>>45111429
GW is dying? It has been for fucking years. This shit is getting boring, if it's dying, why isn't it dead yet?
If GW is dying "slowly", then, I guess you're right. Everybody is dying "slowly", it's called living. Call me when Hasbro or Mattel takes over like people have been claiming for the last 10 years will happen. I couldn't give a toss one way or another, but it's bollocks at this point, every year I read this and every year I go "do I sell my mins now, or do I wait?" and every year I don't, or I sell some, and nothing happens. GW isn't dead by the end of the year. I keep getting told it'll get worse yet the evidence seems to show improvement in stock prices, which is the mark of health in a company.
What the fuck is happening? Do you guys know something I don't? It's blowing my mind out seeing this every year, I don't want to dismiss it as 'shitposting;, as it happens every year and thus it's dedicated fucking shitposting if that's the case.
What is happening? I keep seeing GW is bleeding and dying, I was told this in 2004 as well, that Hasbro was coming to swoop in now GW had stopped being a "distributor" for WotC, it never happened. Just like SoB never got updated despite being told they would in 2006.
Driving me nuts, which is it? If they're dying, when is it going to drop dead? I need to know.
>>45112074
Confirmation bias. They want GW to fail, so they interpret all evidence they see as evidence that GW is dying.
>>45112074
>and thus it's dedicated fucking shitposting if that's the case
GW's popular and bullied anon when he was in grade school playing alternative games you've probably never heard of, like Confrontation or Urban War.
>>45111974
There is nothing on paper proving the success/failure of AoS.
But the general reaction online, anecdotal evidence from flgs', starter boxes going for 60% on Amazon, and stagnant sales (here on the west coast at least) are all we have. There are flgs' that refused to carry AoS, and dropped GW products altogether. So thats also not good.
When you take it all into account, it paints a pretty bleak picture of AoS. Which makes perfect sense doesnt it? How big do you think the market is for a tabletop wargame with few rules/guidelines for creating an engaging experience. And though the starter set was reasonably priced, the new kits are absurdly priced, even by GW standards.
The writing is on the wall anon, the ship isnt yet sinking - but itis definately taking on water. Its ok to acknowledge that, it doesnt mean you hate GW. It means you arent an obtuse retard.
>>45111802
It's most likely that speculation on a new brand drove up the value. To understand how well the stock price matches the health of the company you'd have to understand who the shareholders are and how well they know the market GW is in. My suspicion is that they probably don't understand very well, unless the shareholders are mostly level-headed fans.
>>45112104
nobody wants to see gw fail (well maybe some) we just like seeing gw get hurt for making stupid decisions
>>45112074
Its gibberish. GW is going through a rough patch, yes, but it doesn't yet look apocalyptic. /tg/ is just infested with contrarians who will trumpet Armageddon at a tile falling off of a house, and bitter grognards who want GW to die for making editions past Rogue Trader.
>>45112132
not to mention all the fantasy players who left are probbaly supporting other games
>>45112145
I definitely do want to see GW die. I just don't see it happening within the next 5, or even 10, years.
>>45111802
I don't think it was GW's stupidity, but Kirby. He is poisoning the company and he's still there under some special title despite being EVENTUALLY forced from his fucking tyranical position.
GW has done some stuff recently which has improved my opinion of them. Knight Titans came back, which was sweet. Cult Mechanicus and Skiitari was an amazing release and I can't wait for more. Forge World doing great models (Dread Saurian, Thanatar and so on). The novels were interesting, especially this new Beast Arises series.
As for AoS? Well, WHFB wasn't surviving and Kirby basically killed it. I saw a marked drop from about 5th onwards as 40k got more popular. Kirby just ended it with "le hordes to win" and letting Ward go fucking insane with his fucking Elf faggots. Who the fuck thought it was 'fair' to let Initiative 6 Elves get Always Strikes First (meaning re-rolls against everything lower than 6, so, 90% of all models) and Fights in Extra Rank (meaning a horde of Spearmen can go to 50 strong and all attack FIRST, meaning you need an equally strong horde to resist that, meaning on Chaos Warriors, Dwarfs or Lizardmen had a chance, while Elves vs Elves slaughtered each other) then allowing High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves have access to like 10 lores (oh and giving Lizardmen literally the same shit as High Elves, thanks!) coupled with all the extra bits and fucking bobs.
It was a nightmare to play Elves, it was bloated as fuck, just like 40k is getting.
Ah I've ranted enough.
>>45111871
>copyright
You mean trademark.
>>45112166
All 10 of them?
*rimshot*
Nah. Kidding. It's more like 20.
>>45111974
No the alternative was they reduce all plastic infantry to £1 a model, stop pushing huge games and units, get rid of the idiotic 8th edition rules and start interacting with their community again. Fantasy did fine before they drove people away.
>>45112104
No we want them to stop being grasping shitheads and go back to being the company we liked.
>>45112189
>knight titans
That is just emblematic of the horrible direction 40k is going in that started with Apocalypse.
They got rid of Epic and now they are selling huge kits they make a fortune off for regular 40k, a game in entirely the wrong scale.
>>45112132
See, all these people claiming to refuse to carry AoS, has anybody got evidence of this? Like, does anybody have names of these FLGS? Has anybody got contact emails so I can ask to confirm this? I'm going on what people say online. Which isn't unbiased, regardless of supporting ot attacking. I want to confirm what is being said. The starter boxes going for 60% on Amazon, can I have links to this? Proof of recipes? Proof of listing? There must be some evidence for this. Taking a picture of it isn't enough, since Inspect Element is great for editing shit. So I would like to see the actual page. Reaction online isn't anything to go on either, as I am sure that a lot of the negativity is from people who never played WHFB, let alone touched a model. Ever noticed how shit like "Ork weapons work cause they believe they work" got spread around despite no evidence that says this (though some implies it)? Or how "Orks don't get sick any more cause Nurgle got beat up by Gork and Mork"? I don't want to use this term, but the word "meme" is something that comes across. I've seen people say outright false things alongside saying AoS is bad and evil and whatever. It's hard to trust what is said online, especially /tg/, /v/, Dakkadakka, Whineseer, Heresy Online and loads of other sites.
Remember before AoS? We had people spouting shit like "Lizardmen have been squatted, it's going to be a 5 faction WHFB, humans + dwarfs + ogres as one, Elves as another, Chaos as another, Skaven as another, Undead as another"? It was all bollocks. It was stuff spread and taken as gospel truth.
I'm not supporting AoS, or GW, but if something is being stated, ergo, a claim, then the Burden of Proof is on the claimant. As such, is me asking for proof of these 60% off (I'd like to see and might buy them for bitzbox work), stagnant sales and the names of FLGS that refused to stock them, so I can check.
I dunno man. I just want evidence so I know to call it a day.
>>45112293
>got rid of Epic
You know that's coming back, right? It's been confirmed for months now, you do know that, right? The proof is literally in this thread, GW announced it around Xmas time.
>>45112317
>I'm not supporting AoS, or GW, but I will protect and shill for them
>>45112317
>I am sure that a lot of the negativity is from people who never played WHFB, let alone touched a model
It would help if you avoided absurd arguments only used by AoS fanboys trying to defend their game.
>>45110603
this guy speaks truth.
>>45112338
What does that have to do with my post? And why are you typing in a deliberately provocative manner?
Even when Epic comes out GW won't suddenly cease production of all the models that have no place in 40k and go back to when seeing a huge walker or a super heavy tank was a rare event.
Ah the days when you had to get permission to use that stuff.
>>45112317
If you cant find an AoS starter for 60% retail its because you dont want to. Believe whatever you want, no ones gonna do the bitchwork for you.
>>45112234
Funny, since AoS, the PPM of Saurus Warriors and Saurus Guard has FALLEN. Kinda odd.
As I said, hordes were the problem. Remove the hordes and WHFB would have shuffled along.
Thing is, anon, I don't know how much business acumen you have, you might run your own multimillion dollar business, I don't know, but without knowing a bit more detail, it's a bit hard to go "Do this and that would have solved everything", cause we don't know if it would have.
If we can use anedotal evidence to say AoS is failing, I can use it to say WHFB was barely alive. My area had 5-7 WHFB players. Two were Elves, one Skaven, one Ogre, one VC, and two Empire (and one also Dorf, he loved cannons). We played each other over and over. Kids weren't interested when we went into the bunkers, it was 40k. That was it. GW doesn't care about grognards, we have spent our money, they care about getting Timmy to make an impulse buy. WHFB wasn't doing it. I dunno if it was the rules, or the daunting task of making that many models, but it wasn't getting new blood.
If they had gone back to 5th edition with some modifications, maybe it would have worked. Hell, I thought they should have done a Lord of the Rings route, personally, but they didn't.
Now we are where we are. Either way, WHFB was failing and I don't think it could have been saved with minor changes.
Kinda irrelevant now, huh?
>>45112451
Hello GW.
>>45112449
Okay, I did say Burden of Proof, but I guess that's something that doesn't exist in these arguments? You made the claim, back it up... but I guess not.
>>45112349
How? I just want to see these evidence, have you ever possibly thought I want this evidence to prove shills wrong? Thought of that? Yet I've never seen any evidence posted, ever, along with this claims.
>>45112378
So, what you're saying is, the comments you can read on /v/ are from hard core WHFB players? Yet when I ask "post your army", they can't even post a list of their models, let alone a picture to prove it? You get the same old "I sold my army", which is real convenient. I didn't sell mine, I still play WHFB.
I'd like to know how it's absurd, I didn't state is as fact, I said "I am sure", which is a saying. I never said all of it, I said a lot of it. Which is true. Because, guess what, WHFB players have either ditched GW or have gone on to 9th. I know, cause I play both 8th and 9th (modified) with my groups. They don't moan about AoS, they just get on with what we've always got on with, playing models. One of them said he might get the new dorf models and make up some rules, do we care? Nope. You're literally going "if you ask for proof, you must be a fanboy, accept what I said, goy!"
