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Old Thread: >>44977253
Making a human fighter, first time playing
What should my two feats be?
>>44987597
pai-finder
YOHOHOHO I MADE A PUN kill me
How big is too big chest wise for an adventurer in Pathfinder?
>>44987623
1) power attack and 2) rolling a new character
>>44987597
It's in Faerun, so to look down or seduce humans. Except for the sea elves, who will help the PCs fight sea monsters.
>>44987623
What type of combat style or feat chain are you going for?
>>44987643
Does not exist
>>44987597
They're a progenitor race in my setting, along with dwarves and humans. All the other races are descended somewhere down the line from those three races interbreeding with each other or monsters. Elf + Dragon led to a custom race called the Dracor, which in turn are the forebearers of Kobolds. Gnomes are distant descendants of Dwarves interbred with fae and Halflings come from Humans.
>>44987684
Why are Drow such manlets?
Well I'm playing an elf magus in my game, and I don't think anyone else has played an elf. Suppose we'll find out as the game goes on.
>>44987597
Ancient civilization that got purged when they tried to go Dwemer route, and all the survivors were either changed into what are now the Fey, or became the first Azata if they followed Elf Jesus during the rebellion.
>>44987643
Look for the "d20 Female Asset Generator Table." It goes to DDD+. I can't post it here because this is a blue board.
>>44987623
>>44987647
Be fair, it could be decent if he gets the right archetypes. Mutation warrior, myrmidarch, lore warden, and so on are good.
>>44986982
Not that Anon, but it sounds pretty dope.
1) How viable is it to run characters that aren't local yokels? Does it encourage or discourage being a dirty Garundi?
2) "chesty girls" implies plural. Are their multiple chesty waifus?
>>44987597
Being DEX-based qts or guardians of an ancient civilization's powerful magic
>>44987684
Literally don't know, I wanted to make something along the lines of Medieval Germanic Free-blade selling his services teaching swordfighting
>>44987722
Tunnels in the Underdark have low ceilings. The taller drow kept getting injured or killed by them, leaving the shorter ones to spread their genes.
>>44987597Orc rape fetishists
>>44987597
You know, I just found a great image to answer your question with, but this is a blue board.
>tfw its 6 days until your next session
>>44987785
You may be better off with a Cavelier.
However there are some options if you are deadset on being a Fighter. Is 3pp allowed? If not, then go Lore Warden and buy a copy of the Weapon Master's Handbook and use stuff in there
What is an elf?
>>44987825
>tfw you don't know how many days until your next session because you might not be able to attend Pathfinder anymore
I mean, like, it would suck to not be able to play anymore. But it would really suck to not be able to play the game you've been playing for years anymore.
>>44987785
Follow the links:
>http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html
>>44987820
/thread
I want to multiclass to a divine class for flavor
Is there any oracle flaw that does not get in the way of normal combat?
>>44987932
Tongues, Haunted, Legalistic. If you are Cavelier, lame is basically a non-problem
>>44987932
You mean curse? Depends on what you mean by normal combat. Clouded vision is pretty good if you focus in melee.
>took so many knowledge and craft skills that there isn't enough space on my sheet to mark them all down
>>44987698
Of course it exists.
>>44987643
Anon it depends on the type of character you create and the body type you're inclined to give them.
For example, a bard can go up to Sona-tier boobs without much problem, while I'd be hard-pressed to believe the Rogue should have anything larger than Taki from Soul Caliber. Paladins and the more knightly classes are much more individual, same with sorcerers.
But, ultimately, one must take the advice of Court Justice Potter Stewart and just remember, "I know it when I see it."
>>44988182
>Of course it exists.
Not in my games.
>>44988182
>a bard can go up to Sona-tier boobs without much problem, while I'd be hard-pressed to believe the Rogue should have anything larger than Taki from Soul Caliber.
Taki's breasts are not appreciably smaller than Sona's.
>>44987823
Post links, nerd
>>44988236
>Doesn't post lady with boobs bigger than a golden retriever.
Casual.
I mean, it's okay to have limits, but it's important to know that you are using them.
>>44987643
Basically if your breasts are a larger size category than you they're too big. For example, ogre sized breasts on a human. Not "breasts the size of ogre breasts", "breasts the size of literal ogres, 9' tall and 450 lbs each". Likewise, a halfling with breasts that are 6' tall and 250 pounds each are too much. They can be halfling sized (3' tall and abour 50 lbs each) though.
>>44988284
It's on 1d4chan, fag.
>>44988236
Her breasts aren't oversized, anon. They're large but nothing you'd start to question.
>>44988280
I always thought Taki's tits looked larger than they are due to the bodysuit. Not saying they're small, but I'm not convinced they're as big as Sona's.
Dammit, where's that chart of LoL tits so we could have an accurate ranking of which girl is the "max" a class should go.
>>44988236
>denies a limit exists
>posts moderately large boobs as evidence
So how's Shadowdancer?
Trying to get into a level 5 campaign as an archer fighter (first-timer and I don't really want to fuck around with spell lists).
Thinking of dipping a few levels into shadowdancer for the companion, slap a bow on him, boom a still somewhat effective bow wielding butt buddy for the price of 1bab and whatever feats I would've taken instead
>>44988634
It's not very good.
Use Eldritch Guardian instead, you get a familiar that shares your feats. With the right familiar archetypes, they can wield a bow too.
Hey /pfg/ I'm rolling a Psychic (occult one) for the next campaign. Have only skimmed past the spell list. Any new spells in there that are good and perhaps easily missed?
What are good spells to pick up with the Rebirth discipline? Probably entangle at the start?
I've been invited to join a Wrath of the Righteous game, and I'm told that are into the second book. Party is a monk, pally, wizard/cleric going into mystic theurge, and the summoner that wears/is his eidolan. Party level is nine and I don't know what I'd want to play. Ideas?
>>44988881
Skald, since the party seems heavy on melee. Bard if you want to be a bit more utility focused instead.
>>44988881
Hellknight
>>44988881
Something fairly weak, with that party. The synthesist summoner is almost-certainly the most powerful character there, and they're pretty strong but distinctly worse than the base version.
If this party chose mystic theurge and synthesist on purpose, to nerf those classes to not overshadow the monk and pally, kudos to them. That's not a bad play, and probably fits the expected power level of an AP.
But if they thought those were good choices, oh boy.
My guess is that the party could use something defender-y. Something that can keep fire off the others, provide decent in-the-thick-of-it battlefield control, and take hits.
Unfortunately, Pathfinder sucks at that. What material do you have available?
As this guy >>44988967, want to also say that >>44988950 is not a bad idea by any means.
>>44988967
I have access to what's on the SRD with the caveat that third party stuff is unlikely to be approved.
Are golarion orcs the stereotypical raping/pallaging kind?
>>44988967
>synthesist summoner is almost-certainly the most powerful character
>paladin
>WotR
>being this fucking stupid
>>44988967
Won't WotR basically end up with everyone being invincible soon enough because of Mythic bullshit anyway?
>>44989097
Yes, very yes.
>>44989074
I'll never understand why DMs are paranoid of 3PP--though, specifically, I'm referring to Dreamscarred's stuff. DSP does Pathfinder better than Paizo ever has, and probably ever will, and yet the last time I tried to get a DM to approve it, all he allowed were the Martial Training feats and only the tiniest access to maneuvers. Not even psionics or the base-class archetypes that give initiating.
What is it about that stuff that makes DMs unwilling to even read it? It's like a phobia.
>>44988686
There a way to add str bonuses to attack rolls with thrown weapons? The mauler archetype can go up twice in size category indefinitely but iirc doing so shits on dex scores.
>>44989154
Sturgeon's law.
For every DSP there's like 50 Black Tokyo supplement books, for example.
What's the best threat your players have used while interrogating a captured mook?
>>44988529
Taki had the biggest tits in Soul Calibur until Sophitia's constantly-ballooning breasts finally overtook them.
>>44989177
Belt of Mighty Hurler.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/belt-of-mighty-hurling
IIRC, Weapon Master's handbook also has a style that does it, but don't quote me on that.
>>44989261
>Whatever, I have speak with dead prepared.
>>44987722
No sunlight stunts growth. Why do you think Dwarves are short despite being Medium creatures?
>>44989177
> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/belt-of-mighty-hurling
>>44989272
Does this mean the ceiling for rogue tits should be based on Taki, or a rogue-like character from League of Legends?
Because the suggestion in >>44988529 that the "max size" for a class should be based on their LoL or Soul Caliber equivalent (both games infamous for their different chest sizes) is starting to make an awful lot of sense.
>>44989261
My sorcerer once pulled out his wand of magic missile and mused "I wonder what this would do if I shoved it up your ass and then fired it off" at the orc he had captured.
>>44989350
>Because the suggestion in >>44988529 that the "max size" for a class should be based on their LoL or Soul Caliber equivalent (both games infamous for their different chest sizes) is starting to make an awful lot of sense.
Hey now, Soul Calibur isn't Dead or Alive. Characters like Cassandra had entirely reasonable chests, at least back in SC2 or so.
>>44989369
That would probably break him in half-orc.
>>44988307
>>44988529
>>44988556
How big do we want then, like, legoman's style size or 'just smother me to death' tier of tits?
>>44989154
Experience I think. This Gm and I have been playing together since 2000. He introduced me to D&D with the 2nd Ed based Icewind Dale, and 3.0 on tabletop. If you recall 3.0 and 3.5 had WILDLY varying powerlevels for third party stuff.
I'll ask about third party stuff if a suggestion is made that I think will be fun to play, but if like to have something to fall back on just in case.
>>44989386
Anon, that was [s]bestcalibur[/s] 3 games ago.
Sophitia is now only wearing a transparent gown and has boobs the size of her head.
>>44989154
I'll look over anything my players bring to me, but the big problem I run into with 3PP is that they don't understand the difference between fluff and crunch. The game rules are written with a very particular jargon, but half the time shitty 3PPs just use whatever terms they want and confuse crunch and fluff. Obviously there are good houses like DSP that actually understand what they're doing, but so often the shitty ones just say "hey you know what would be cool..." and don't really think about the words they use, leaving the door open to conflicts when the players and I having a different interpretation of abilities.
>>44989191
Oh gods, don't remind me.
>>44989436
Sadly we never got to find out.
>>44989453
>How big do we want then, like, legoman's style size or 'just smother me to death' tier of tits?
It should fit the character, and for me the general rule would be "can I see a woman in this profession having breasts this large and still operate at her best?"
I'm digging the idea that the general LoL analogue for a class should be the maximum they should go, which is to say Nidalee is the largest a Barbarian should be, Sona is the biggest a barbarian should be, Ahri fits with any spellcaster, Sejuani is for fighters or paladins and Riven works with the trash like rogue or ninja.
>>44987643
If you have to describe the size of your characters breasts then you're already going too far in my book.
>>44989586
>"can I see a woman in this profession having breasts this large and still operate at her best?"
So, large breasts for large amounts of economy and macro management.
>>44987643
When it hurts my back just looking at the character.
>>44989191
>>44989458
>>44989496
Yeah, I get that most third-party publishers aren't worth the paper they ink up, but it's the unwillingness to even have a look that gets me.
I mean, I guess I can understand the "I've been burned before" mentality, but...eh. I dunno, I'm probably thinking too hard about it.
>>44987643
>>44989154
The common trap new GMs make, and one I used to fall into, is the very reasonable but very wrong assumption 'Paizo is the main company so they should be best at balance and design; if 3pp stuff was so good then why aren't they working directly for paizo? They're probably second-rate'
Acceptance of 3pp comes with the realisation that paizo has no real clue what it's doing either.
>>44989819
That image has the right of it, just say the character is "busty" or "flat" and find character art that reflects this, there isn't any need to describe the measurements or constantly bring up how tight her shirt is during a session.
>>44988529
This one?
>>44989819
So what happens if the male player also starts describing in detail how packing his male characters are?
>>44989911
Same applies.
Unless you are erping, I guess. Then the rules are reversed.
>>44989911
He can only play genderless characters.
>>44989954
But anon, what happens if the player then gets banned from playing both male and female characters and then goes to describe genderless characters with the same level of deta-
Oh yeah, I guess you kick them out.
>>44989453
It depends on the character.
I'd probably just steal an existing bit of art and use the dimensions there.
Note, while I do enjoy the huge tits, I also enjoy them other sizes.
>>44989911
What would be the point of mentioning genitalia anyways unless you're fighting with it.
>>44990004
>unless you're fighting with it.
It's not fun for Kharn
>>44987874
A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF MAGIC
>>44989911
Why the fuck is penis = boobs a thing?
Vags exist, guys?
Honestly, if they start going into glistening abs and pecs in the same degree, I would also be weirded out.
>>44990055
Because they both stick out?
>>44989994
Said like a true lover of breasts.
I want to be a Dex character who wields a rapier.
My friend is playing a Wizard.
I don't want to be made irrelevant, as it seems that Swashbucklers and Wizards are a bit far apart on the tier list.
Thoughts?
Finding the right character to make is so difficult...
>>44990004
>Intimidate checks
>Escape artist checks
>Perform(Dance)
>Disguise
>Ride
Are all skill checks where it might be relevant.And more seriously it does kind of affect perception of the character even if it doesn't change how they act
Hey /pfg/, at what point does a custom race get to ridiculousness, or is the general rule to disallow them on the outset?
I remembering somewhere hearing a general rule of "as long as they don't get more than Dwarves," can someone elaborate further? I've got a race I've concocted, but am curious what about Dwarves makes them super strong.
>>44990092
Assuming 1pp only, unchained rogue is pretty solid.
But unless your friend is quite a bit more experienced than you sound (Or they also lurk pfg and other forums), the first wizard they build will probably make a lot of mistakes and won't outclass noncasters by that much - especially if they focus on direct damage.
>responding to foron
Srsly /pfg/? This guy is even worse than ND. At least ND occasionally has ideas and wierd Biology information. Foron is just a shitty namefag with no purpose.
He's just as bad as chandere on mtg threads.
>>44990133
Dwarves are surprisingly-powerful for a core race, and their alternate racial traits can make them actually really good for some character options.
>>44990092
Magus.
Frankly, nothing you make that uses a weapon will compare favorably to a wizard. The best you can do is a caster with a rapier, or possibly a 3rd party martial using PoW classes/options.
>>44990092
What >>44990160 said.
I *like* Paizo's swashbuckler, because that is my most favorite archetype ever, and I think the class pulls it off to a non-zero degree.
But /pfg/ almost universally considers the swashbuckler to be bargain-basement shit tier.
The general notion is to go Unchained Rogue or one of the other hybrid classes, like Slayer.
>>44990172
Who?
>>44990214
Some guy who's been talking about tits that anon apparently has a hateboner for.
>>44990214
Ancient namefag with no purpose, and who only exists to be a shittier version of NiceDaemonette.
>>44989261
Confabulation Powder, just said "Remember how we performed the worst torture you can imagine? Tell us what we want to know or we'll do worse."
>>44990179
But what in particular makes them that way?
Because as it stands, this custom race I have gets the Human bonus feat, Improved Initiative, +2 STR & INT (or +2 DEX & INT), +3 AC, and +2 to disease, poison, and mind-affecting effects (17 RP). They were made for a setting that botched, and I'm employing it in another friend's game as a Magus. At Lv3, he had a bit going for him. I suspect though, that once enemies start swinging harder than +5, his AC buffs will start to fall off a lot. They're basically sapient constructs, with magic having turned clockwork/steam machinery into something so innately magical as to be its own life-form, complete with the need to eat/drink and susceptibility to disease and poison.
Ironically (for this discussion), they were made by dwarves in this game I'm playing in. Would they be qualifying as "stronger than dwarves" or just on the upper end of the races?
>>44990212
Why does /pfg/ hate swashbuckler?
>>44990577
It's locked into doing one thing (attack with one handed finesse weapons), that one thing isn't exceptionally useful (it does good damage compared to other melee characters, but that's it), and it doesn't gain any abilities that are useful besides that, and the ones it does get he gets at level 1.
It's basically gunslinger 2.0.
Best way to do drow? How to make them interesting yet genuinely terrifying?
>>44985114
>project
Well I've got the names down.
>>44990649
Oh, also, Daring Champion is superior in almost all ways, even after the nerf.
>The most expensive wine listed in the pfsrd is only 15 gp
>Linnorm Mead helps with singing, Ulfen fucking love to sing (should Perform Singing be a class skill for Ulfen characters?)
>Powdered Mummy Skin is an actual drug that gives you Mummy's Rot
>Harlot Sweets give +1d4 to Charisma, +1 to Dex, and 1d2 damage to Intelligence, mfw it's literally a bimbo drug
>mfw Harlot Sweets are 60 gp, how is a Harlot supposed to afford these?
>>44990577
Because it's a pointless and weak class.
It can never out damage a Fighter, its own abilities are choked out by action economy and resource budgeting, it forced you to use one of the weakest combat styles in the game, only works with a small group of weapons unless you either waste feats ornpic equally shitty archetypes, and Charmed Life is a fucking joke.
It is almost explicitly worse at its job than a Fighter, and the Daring Champion Cavalier does its entire job except better.
>>44990717
>The most expensive wine listed in the pfsrd is only 15 gp
Elven Absinthe is 500 gp.
It also gives you +1d4 Charisma and -1d4 Constitution.
That constitution damage, on a drink that's meant for Elves. Two glasses could theoretically kill the average Elf.
>>44990133
RP is a pretty shitty system for judging the balance of a race since some abilities are way undervalued and others are way overvalued.
That said, anything over 15 is typically shit tier OP.
>>44988236
Is left the official Americanized art? Fucking sjw neopuritans
>>44990718
>It can never out damage a Fighter
Actually, I think someone ran the numbers and it keeps between +/-5% of Falchion Fred.
Then again, if Fred instead was a smart guy like Archer Archie, he'd probably outdamage them both.
>>44990855
>Is left the official Americanized art?
No, it's a shop someone made.
Chill the fuck out, man.
>>44990664
Avoid using art like that for a drow PC. I'm on the fence about whether it's acceptable for a drow BBEG, since villains are allowed to be sexier than the heroes.
>>44990664
I would like to see a version of Drow who, instead of just being evil elves, are the servants of Cthulhu-esque beings.
>>44990855
Naw, it's a fan-made censorship to rile the minds.
As far as we know, the only censorship (AFAIK, fine) is to dialogue and to one of the underage characters getting married and having a kid.
>>44990949
That and the one where you turn a lesbian character into making her think you're a woman so she marries you.
>>44990828
So fifteen is the "shit-tier OP" level?
What about a race like >>44990511 ? Is that OP, or just really potent? I chose AC bumps over DR because of how AC's usefulness plummets after a certain point of the game.
Considering I want to run that race's source-setting soon, I want a race that's cool and unique to the setting/campaign but isn't "jesus christ" broken. I'm aiming for a Warforged-esque race with it.
>>44990855
It's more of a practical armor modification.
If it was sjw neopuritans, she would have a penis under that armor.
>>44990981
>you get into the bed
>prepare to consummate the mairrage
>but then
>COCK SURPRISE!
>this love is no longer forbiden
>>44990949
>>44990981
Oh my God, that sounds amazing. What game?
>>44990981
The original plot line for that just gives me the bad feels.
>>44991069
>>44991085
>>44991095
http://nichegamer.com/2015/07/the-story-behind-fire-emblem-fates-completely-falsified-gay-conversion/
>>44987643
Well somewhere around DD, diving and swimming speeds get impaired, but you'd get an equivalent bonus to staying afloat to avoid drowning.
Running with those things starts getting quite painful the larger they are, and it throws your balance off quite a bit depending on what you try to do. Giant tits CAN exist on very athletic bodies (not that I'm a living example of either) but are a hindrance in pretty much every way.
>>44991039
What it is, anon, is a player made race clearly designed to be optimal, with fluff justifying optimizing, and that is clear from a mile off.
Dwarves, for example, are an outlier among the pc races, and that is not a GOOD thing to compare them to.
>>44988686
Wait, do familiars get any kind of BAB or hp progression?
>>44990577
A couple problems, really.
>A class billed as a "mobile fighter" falls into the exact same stand still or suck syndrome all melee martials do.
>Its save array is awful, having a weak fort AND will save despite both its parent classes having strong fort saves
>Charmed Life, its way to counteract its terrible saves, requires an immediate action to use. Meaning if you boost a save with it, you can't use deeds on your following turn, so your class features are fighting EACH OTHER instead of the enemy. Additionally, your Charmed Life runs out pretty fast, so you have a martial class that runs out of its non-regenerating resource faster than the casters do, which defeats the point of being a martial.
>It's very pidgeonholed. The class is designed around dex-based one-handed melee combat, which is paradoxically more difficult to do property than two-handed melee AND considerably weaker damage-wise.
>The class has extremely limited capabilities as a ranged fighter, which means it hates flying enemies even more than other melee specialists do.
>Prior to some errata, the Daring Champion Cavalier, an archetype introduced in the same book, is superior in basically every way.
>>44991340
Familiars use 1/2 your HP.
>>44991345
>using greentext like this
Disgusting.
>>44991219
What would a better comparison be, then? I ask because I'm wanting to be able to sit down and stat out races for people in my campaigns, should they want to play something besides the core.
Like I said, the only thing I had heard (and been able to find) prior to this was "as long as they don't outdo dwarves" without any real explanation as to what that meant. If there's a better rule of thumb, I'd be ecstatic to know so that I can base it by that.
Also, is this a bad kind of optimization? Or is it all dependent on in-game actions from there?
>>44991340
>>44991358
And your full BAB.
>>44988327
Would attacking with them be using an improvised weapon or a normal unarmed strike?
>>44991141
>conversion camps
What the shit? I have never heard of this at all in my life. This sounds like something made up by tumblr in order to inflate rapists into some kind of Heterosexual conspiracy!
Why am I hemoraging right now?
>>44991358
Maulers can gain abit more
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/familiar-feats/mauler-s-endurance-familiar
>>44987771
Boobs.
And asses.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/D20_female_asset_generator
>>44991141
It's still odd as fuck.
I'm not sure you can do the "straight guy ends up marrying a lesbian" in a way that doesn't make me vomit a bit, and having mind-altering substances involved makes it impossible.
>>44991417
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy
>>44991474
Marriage has historically never been about sexual attraction, you fucking retard. It's either for the benefit of the family, for money, or for social reasons, like keeping up appearances. Marrying for love is a recent thing.
>>44990664
The biggest trap people fall into with fantasy races is to let the "schtick" overshadow everything else, making their culture rigid and one dimensional. In the real world there's pretty much no aspect of a culture that is both absolute and capable of being summed up in 1 or 2 sentences (inasmuch as any aspect of culture can be either of those things individual to begin with). Always make exceptions to the "rules" and leave room for individual agency. Also, if you aren't intimately familiar with BDSM culture (watching the porn doesn't count) it might be worthwhile to do a bit of research on that.
>>44991378
Use Elves/Half-Elves/Half Orcs as a baseline.
>>44991625
The gist basically being 'dwarves like mining and booze, but that's a tendency, not a racial trait or requirement.'
>>44991614
As a heterosexual male I'd marry a (nonoffensive) man right now if I got some sort of benefit out of it and didn't feel so alone anymore ;_;
>>44991614
Yes, but it's explicitly about love in FE, so I'm not sure what your point is.
>>44991641
Sweet, thank you.
Is anything out of the In The Company of Dragons book worth playing?
>>44991711
>I'm not sure you can do the "straight guy ends up marrying a lesbian" in a way that doesn't make me vomit a bit
That, specifically.
>>44991703
Anon, if you're not going to be happy it's not going to work.
>>44991711
>a lesbian can't ever love a man
Nice hateful world view you have
>>44991784
It happens all the time in my chinese cartoons
>>44991711
Love =/= Sexual Attraction.
Has anyone read Age of Electrotech? Does it have anything useful in it?
It's a book about Tesla-esque technology and abilities, it better have some good gear.
>>44991474
Nothing actually suggest she is a lesbian, she just gets weak in the knees at cute girls.
I have the same problem but I'm not a lesbian.
>>44991835
This is relevant to my interests. I was not aware such a thing existed.
>>44991835
>Archetypes such as the cyborg, electromedic, esotechnic, necrotech, and transmoglomaniac. Plus new feats
>Twenty-eight pages of electrotech gear: armaments, batteries, household goods, toolkits, vehicles for all terrains, and "wonders of madness" from the cosmitron and hypnogogue to the pleasure orb and zealotron.
>Rules to craft and augment characters with bizarre and practical gadgets such as the cricket for your feet, an electromechanical grappling hook, and a life scanner. Every gadget comes with multiple upgrade options to keep gadgets close to one's heart over a career.
>Symbionts: rules for growing and implanting biological augments.
>Two new races, the mutamorph and nashi, plus a character history generator, traits, downtime and kingdom building options.
>>44991835
>>44991881
>>44991940
It will suck because JJ demands it will.
And we all know it.
Yeah, it hurts, mang.
>>44991053
If there was a penis under there i wouldn't see that as a negative desu,
>>44991954
>It will suck because JJ demands it will.
It's third party, anon.
>>44991954
I think it's 3pp.
>>44990577
>>44990649
>>44990718
>>44991345
This is why I really liked what the one Swashbuckler Anon posted 5-6 threads back. Not sure if he ever came back to /pfg/ threads after that.
Or why I favor adding martial maneuvers to the class--at the very least, they incentivize NOT standing there full attacking.
>>44991960
Depends if the penis is attacked to an actual women or if it's just a guy who claims to be one.
>>44991962
>>44991972
OH?
Word?
Alright, lemme see this shit then.
>>44991960
>draw a girl
>give it a penis
>call it a girl
Vs
>draw a man
>give it a penis
>call it a woman
Tbqh
>>44991437
>mauler
Wow, that's insanely good. Pick a clockwork familiar and in combat form it will have 21 strength +1 for every 2 levels over 3.
>>44992034
Where are clockwork familiars from?
>>44991940
>>44991835
>Electroplants, hydroworks, MONORAIL TRACKS, radiation sickness, airfields, broadcasting towers
>Better yet, new rooms and buildings for my beloved downtime system are also provided for - including airfields, factories etc.
>mfw It includes a chair that allows you to extend the reach of your magic to miles
>>44992055
d20pfsrd says bestiary 5, you need improved familiar to take it of course. But the 10 strength as as a tiny construct optimizes the gains from the mauler archetype (you get size bonuses to strength to, which is +8 going from tiny to medium).
>>44992106
Share pdf.
Naoh.
>>44988182
>insinuating Sona is nearly as busty as Elsbeth
>>44992120
Improved and mauler familiars don't stack iirc, and technically, by RAW Eldritch Guardian can't even get improved familiar cause he doesn't have caster levels.
Also, >you get size bonuses to strength to, which is +8 going from tiny to medium
This was FAQ'd and the dev said that you don't, so you only get (I think) +2 for going medium.
>>44991477
So its literally fucking nothing and is just unsupported counseling groups, meaning it was pointless for the writer of the article to mention them at all.
That somehow makes me angrier
>>44992137
It's in the Trove under Radiance House
With the katana expertise feat, it says I need proficiency with a katana. Is martial weapon proficiency qualifying for it since it's martial when two-handed?
>>44992356
If you're using it two-handed, but not when one-handed, I suppose.
>>44991474
Being a homo doesn't mean you are physically and biologically of learning to like members of the opposite sex. It can be learned like any other form of attraction or desire, even without the usage of mind altering chems.
The me of 5 years ago would have found Dragons to not be sexually attractive. Now, after so many years on /tg/ and the internet in general, I've basically become a full-fledged xenophile.
It all just depends on how much the individual is open to the idea of new ideas and change.
>>44987623
Make sure you get Combat Expertise, everything else is up to your playstyle.
For level 1, the Noble Scion feat never fails to work for me no matter what I'm playing, unless you specifically want to fluff otherwise.
>>44992356
If you don't have EWP, you still meet the requirements as long as you wield the weapon two handed. The final version of the feat has a "special:" section that makes this explicit.
Is the dragon rider third party class as fucking absurd as it seems at first glance /pfg/?
>>44992453
>physically and biologically incapable
I hate posting on phone
>>44992470
Ehh. It's strong, sure, but you aren't raping the action economy because you're using your turn to make the dragon's turn.
>>44992470
Is it on the SRD? If so, I will give it a glance, but if it does give you a magical companion at 1st level, then its automatically strong due to action economy
>>44992467
Hey Elric, got a question for you about the Ruby Zenith line of strikes in Scarlet Throne. Do those count as crits? Also, do bonus dice from stuff like weapon enchantments or sneak attack multiply on the hit? Flat bonuses to attack damage?
>>44991039
> the Human bonus feat
Yeah, that alone qualifies as shit-tier OP. Humans get that, +2 to one stat and a skill point per level. FULL STOP. Any time one of my players throws a custom race at me with a free feat I know they're pulling shit.
>>44992524
>Bonus die
>Multiplying
>>44992524
>Also, do bonus dice from stuff like weapon enchantments or sneak attack multiply on the hit?
No, dice bonuses never multiply
>Flat bonuses to attack damage?
Those do.
>>44992381
>>44992467
Thanks fellas.
>>44992524
Pretty sure no crits, since you're substituting a skill check for an attack roll.
But we'll let the Big Boys answer.
How do I become a blaster caster without bleeding through spells per day in a single encounter? I want some capacity to provide helpful out of combat utility but mostly I want to blow shit up.
>>44992508
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/dragonrider
here you go senpai
>>44992609
Never mind me, I misunderstood your question.
>>44992572
>>44992585
They don't multiply on a crit, but this is some weird situation where the damage just gets flat multiplied.
>>44992572
>>44992585
>dice bonuses never multiply
No, dice bonuses don't multiply on crits.
>>44992646
I thought that line also said you don't add other damage modifiers.
>>44992667
>The disciple makes a Sense Motive check in place of his normal attack roll (he may add any enhancement bonus from his weapon or feats that apply from the use of his weapon to this Sense Motive check as well), and if this Sense Motive check equals or exceeds the target's armor class, the attack deals triple damage.
Nothing in there about damage modifiers.
>>44992524
They are not crits. They actually can't crit, but they also don't auto-fail on a 1.
You multiply all the damage you normally would in a crit. So no bonus dice, just flat bonuses.
What is your favorite PoW stance?
I like time bullshit extra standard action.
>>44992508
>>44992642
That's the one, yeah
>>44992737
So you can't also use them to trigger Crit Feats and the like. Cool, got it.
>>44992737
>not crits
>works like crits
I hope the errata's coming soon
>>44992739
The stance that lets you fly and shoot energy beams with your strikes.
>>44992739
The stance that gives you unlimited healing. Back to full power after a minute? Sounds good.
>>44992739
I like Stance of the Crane Knight.
>>44992804
He just means that you multiply the damage the same way you multiply the damage on a crit, because that's just the rule for multiplying damage.
>>44992908
could have sworn the rule for multiplying damage was "doubling means +100%, tripling +200% and so on"
>>44992896
That's the level 5 that gives you a fly speed with giant silver wings, right?
That one is my favorite, too...even more than Riven Hourglass' level 6 "oh by the way you're permanently hasted."
Because I *love* the thought of having wings and flying.
>>44992959
Yes, exactly that one. You get flight, DR and glowing pants.
Black Seraph has a similar flight stance. I really like stances that add new options for the player.
>>44992767
>>44992642
>>44992470
Alright, I have read it, and I have this to say.
It seems pretty powerful at first, and overall I say it might be more potent than a Cavelier
However, due to the Focus mechanic, and the fact the Dragons are often too big and lack most of thier magical capabilities, I'd say it's not too OP. Plus as a Martial with both limited Weapon choices and very little skill points, its hardly the most powerful thing.
Overall, due to its progressive nature, ability to cast, and the companion, I'd say that it's probably in the limbo space between Tier 4 and 3. At early levels your action economy will screw you, but at higher levels you become a combat monster, but are still limited by both your massive size and skill points.
As long as your game takes big companions into account, and your DM plays your Companion fairly, you should be fine.
Plus, you are now essentially Ash Ketchum and Charizard
>>44992935
That's the other rule.
For a comparison, look at Lances and their double damage on a charge.
Buildin' me a Changeling Skald, Level 5, no archetype. Taking Hag Magic instead of Claws+Natural Armor, but should I go with Green Widow or Hulking Changeling?
>>44992013
Well obviously futa isthe bestPeople seem to forget that irl trannys=/=arent futas.
>>44991784
>>44991802
>>44991820
Wow, okay then.
I was saying that the MUH HISTORICAL MARRIAGES argument was pointless in this specific debate because we're talking about an entirely different situation. I said nothing about my personal views on the subject (which, if you must know, is that the drugging the lesbian thing is pretty tasteless and I am fine with it being rewritten because I don't think there's a tasteful way to handle the subject).
>>44993140
>Extra damage over and above a weapon’s normal damage is not multiplied when you score a critical hit.
>×2: The weapon deals double damage on a critical hit.
>×3: The weapon deals triple damage on a critical hit.
This rule seems to apply only to critical hits.
Meanwhile, some pages later, the lance entry:
>Lance: A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount.
FAQ offers no clarification.
>>44993140
>>44993267
Further, page 12 has this only to say:
>Multiplying: When you are asked to apply more than one multiplier to a roll, the multipliers are not multiplied by one another. Instead, you combine them into a single multiplier, with each extra multiple adding 1 less than its value to the first multiple. For example, if you are asked to apply a ×2 multiplier twice, the result would be ×3, not ×4.
>The DM agrees that your interpretation of the rules is correct, but doesn't go along with it anyway because he feels the official way is still broken in some manner
>The DM disagrees with your interpretation of the rules, and insists on playing with his "correct" interpretation
Which of these is more frustrating? Assume in this situation you're very confident that your interpretation of the rules is both the correct interpretation and the more balanced/appropriate way of playing. How do you handle these disagreements with your DM, will you just argue and argue about it or eventually decide to give up and let your DM do it the way he wants, even if it makes you cringe every time the ruling is brought up?
>>44992935
I don't think there is any actual "multiplying" rule.
>>44992935
Bonus dice are never multiplied. Ever. It's stated in another section of the combat rules.
>>44993401
It was for 3.5, I assume it's carried over.
>>44993368
in the first case, the GM knows what he's doing, in theory. that softens the blow.
>>44993368
"Well that's right but no fuck you anyway" Is so damn infuriating.
I took Excruciating Deformation for a reason goddamnit, don't nerf it out from under me.
>>44993425
Well fuck me with a rake, page 179.
>Multiplying Damage: Sometimes you multiply damage by some factor, such as on a critical hit. Roll the damage (with all modifiers) multiple times and total the results.
>Note: When you multiply damage more than once, each multiplier works off the original, unmultiplied damage. So if you are asked to double the damage twice, the end result is three times the normal damage.
>Exception: Extra damage dice over and above a weapon’s normal damage are never multiplied.
>>44993267
>That image
>Implying Alain isn't wise enough to know it could be the map of ANY marketplace.
>>44993495
>"This marketplace layout is TERRIBLE."
>>44993447
Did he rule that saving against it initially prevented the need to roll saves in the following rounds?
>>44993368
I told my players that I didn't like the ability to use SLAs while paralyzed when one of them tried to use it. I told them no because I could feasibly kill them with 'paralyzed creatures.' They tell me they don't even paralyze things, come on anon. I eventually relented.
The oracle picks up hold person using her FCB.
I'm still not sure wether should I try to use Eidolon Str cheese to get Power Attack, or just put 13 in Str and be done with it for my Synth Summoner. Partially because I feel like it is a bit cheap trick, and partially because I do not know how should I convince my DM about that cheat. What would you guys do, and what justification would you guys give to DM?
>>44993560
SLAs are simply a mental standard action that provokes... but that brings up a curious thought. if a creature's already paralyzed, how the fuck does it provoke if what it does makes no difference in how it's positioned?
>>44993100
Hmmmm. Might have to try one out if it's not that bad.
>>44993670
Well, I'm just one anon, so I'd warn against trusting just me.
I know I wouldn't trust me.
Elves in my setting inhabit a forest way to the north, protected by the cold temperatures of the forest, and the myriad illusions protecting the forest, as well as the strange, deadly creatures that are hostile to anyone not an elf. They are highly technologically advances, and spend their days living in cities suspended from the trees by magic and mithril, and kidnap children from the cities near to the forest to turn into more creatures to defend the forest.
>>44993557
Yep.
>>44993670
Oh, almost forgot.
The super good saves. Those definitely push them into T3.
>>44993827
>saves
>related to tiers
Fucking kill yourself, idiot.
>>44993633
Purely mental actions provoking makes no sense anyway.
Hell, if you're paralyzed you should be provoking constantly since you're totally defenseless. The provoking rules aren't really intuitive.
How powerful would a class feature that gives you a free move action per turn be? What level should a pure martial class get that?
>>44993891
It's purely mental but takes so much mental effort that you can no longer devote resources to defending yourself from free hits, I think is how it's meant to be justified.
>>44993883
It helps (though not much) against having Magic or other environmental effects completely buttfuck a character over.
It's a really small thing, but the class was already teatering on the edge of 4/3, and that was the last bit to push it over.
>>44993447
IMO it's more annoying when you know you're right but the DM thinks you're wrong. For starters, it just makes you feel like your DM is a dumbass if he can't understand the plain-as-day rules text. But more than that, you can't try and present your case to the DM without him thinking you're either stupid or trying to break the rules to be more powerful.
>>44993560
Wait, so, you use to say paralyzed creatures could not use SLAs and then when your players convinced you to let paralyzed creatures use SLAs, one of them took Hold Person? Did you type that out wrong? It sounds like they took Hold Person after you nerfed it. If you meant they took it after you buffed it... Well that's kinda shitty but I wouldn't expect otherwise. They shouldn't have been misleading about what they wanted, though.
>>44993896
A free move ACTION, or a free movement? There's a difference.
>>44994081
I'm trying to think what you'd use a second move action for that free movement wouldn't be able to do.
>>44994109
use abilities like Animus Healing. stand up from prone. draw an item. finish off a full attack.
>>44994109
Plenty. Reloading guns, feinting, class features that use a Move...
>>44994109
A lot, if you can combine it with a standard to make a full-round action.
>>44994196
You could use your normal move action for all of those, then/before use your extra move.
>>44994224
The first two suck, I was thinking about the rest
>>44994225
You can use the "extra move" that's not a move action, and then just use your full attack with your normal move action. So having an extra move that is a move action there isn't a noticable advantage over having an "extra move".
One of my players is playing a level 10 Master Chymist (alchemist with focus on mutagens) and another player is playing a Brown Furred Transmuter Arcanist (specialises in polymorphing other people)
I'm really confused about how polymorphing works because it's never come up.
What happens if the Master Chymist is Large and has two claw attacks, and the arcanist tries to turn him into a medium octopus? Does he lose his claws? What if he has scent?
>>44994434
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Transmutation-Polymorph
Does wild arcana let you use paragon surge without being a half elf?
>>44994277
>You could use your normal move action for all of those, then/before use your extra move.
alright, but what about doing two or more in the same turn?
>>44994109
Take God of the Hourglass Stance, get two full-round actions per turn.
>>44994512
Thanks, I thought there was a section like that but I couldn't find it when I searched past all the spells.
Are item creation feats a waste for my wizard? It's a campaign where we will be unlikely to buy much magical. I also want to play my wizard as a buffer and controller where save or die spells aren't my number one choice. Should take I spell focus type stuff instead and raise my dcs?
>>44993368
Definitely the second.
Had a DM tell me I can't cast Hold Person on a troll, even through it works on any and all humanoids. This really tussled my jimbos since I'd picked the spell for that exact fucking reason, and then dutifully saved it for when it would have saved me rerolling two characters, but no.
In an earlier instance, he had some extremely questionable ideas on how mummy rot is cured (wanted out lvl 6 cleric to make a DC20 CL check to even cast remove curse, which is in fact, not a conjuration (healing) spell at all.
Hey guys
http://johnwickpresents.com/updates/the-worst-adventure-of-all-times/
Thoughts?
>>44994992
Wow. What justification, if any, did he give for either of those situations? Was it just "Because I say so?"
>>44992636
Go 3.5 and play a Warlock for unlimited Eldritch Blasts per day and the occasionally useful Invocation.
Otherwise, just accept that casting spells to blast shit is, well, going to cost you spells. If you feel that you absolutely need blasting power and your spell slots free for utility, invest in crafting Wands and scrolls.
>>44995110
>John Wick
Fuck Wick;dr
