> Connecting to Schattennetz...
> Verifying Biometrics...
> Identity Verified...
> Opening /SRg/...
Books:
http://pastebin.com/SsWTY7qr
Chummer 5:
https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/releases/latest
Topic: 4chan in Shadowrun: Do you include it?
1st for Horizon a shit
New achievements have been posted for Hong Kong. DLC release when?
>>44899732
No, never.
Chummer5 update when?
Why is Desu serving Never Asked For This tea?
And why does this look like it was drawn by Doyora?
>>44900568
Because desu
>>44899732
Not specifically an anonymous image board run by moot2 at the address 4chan.org no, but anonymous image boards full of morons, dank memes, political extremists, and great content are absolutely part of the setting.
Places filled to the brim with corp children pretending they hate trogs and technomancers so god damn much, and playing at being hardcore American nationalists.
Places where autists and social rejects complain about how elves are all sluts too interested in troll dick to give them the time of day.
Places that create original content, everything from hand drawn art to sophisticated cracks for proprietary BTL chips.
Places that call you a filthy casual for playing Miracle Shooter, when Killing Floor is so obviously objectively better in every way. The same place will both hate Age of Atlantis, and have constant discussion about its fine minutia.
Likely even places discussing the History of Global Networks, and how Internet memes were much better than the Matrix memes of today.
>>44901173
I personally think that, much like gorillas, most trolls have tiny dicks desu.
>>44901173
>Not specifically an anonymous image board run by moot2 at the address 4chan.org no, but anonymous image boards full of morons, dank memes, political extremists, and great content are absolutely part of the setting.
basically this.
The matrix is dark and full ofDesu
>>44899732
Not 4chan in Shadowrun, but whenever I see something from /tg/ that I like I keep it for future sessions. My runners have already been to dinner at a Panzerwaffle, my "random Barrens encounter table" will feature a hobo with a shotgun mumbling about fuckin' gnomes stolen by those goddam' cultists and there's always a good chance to stumble upon the latest Adventures of America-san and Little Texas when watching the trids.
>>44899732
Chaos Engine is pretty close, I remember TwoDee altered their fluff a touch to make it more like 4chan
>>44900463
>>44900008
Probably never
So I'm fucking about with skill specialisations in order to make them localise better; currently the specialisation is whatever you type in, so if you're changing languages it can get messy. This is a rough-in of the creation mode UI; anything that leaps out to you guys as weird or wrong? Ignore the buy with karma label.
How stupid is a pixie mage with a video game theme to them and their spells, going with the Chaos Magician tradition? Came from the Black Forest area, most entertainment was handheld games he managed to acquire and influenced him, all the old classics and a bunch of newer stuff.
>>44902882
Eh, looks okay. Could you make a hotfix for magic/edge karma costs before doing all the long and hard work? Please?
>>44902895
Stupid enough to play it!
>>44902986
It's part of the other guy's fixes, unfortunately. I've been waiting on his fix for like forever, so I'll see if I can hotfix it but I don't think I've ever actually seen it in person. Can you upload an affected character file?
>>44903080
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7sa9ie6hrh44nan/helen%281%29.chum5?dl=0
One of my players from my ill-fated campaign had the issue with Edge.
>>44902895
That's retarded.
Play it to the hilt, and post storytime when you do.
>>44899732
It's never become relevant, but I guess it would still exist.
Psychotropic Black IC infecting people with memes.
>>44903009
>>44903460
I should clarify that this game also happens to be a mercenary campaign set in africa, and I'm meant to be our teams primary combat guy.
The choice is currently down to either the vidya-pixie as sort of Black Mage type character with blasting and some support spells. Also crafting/enchanting/foci creation.
The other option is some sort of Free Spirit thing that I'm not quite sure about yet.
>>44900568
How can one "lure" a decker into exposing their meatspace location without your own decker?
What's a good dice pool when they want to do stuff? Is 8 good enough or should I try to go higher?
>>44900568
In the actual manga/show, the Desu character is an artificial doll.
So there's a little bit of overlap there.
>>44905264
Cheetos?
>>44905303
12-14 dice (or more! it's very doable) is what you want for the things your character is supposed to be excellent at.
8-10 dice is solidly competent but not exceptional.
~6 dice is okay but not reliable.
less than 4 dice is something a character struggles with.
What would a good 5E adept power be for Adversary be? Also how would someone who follows Path of the Wheel interpret Adversary.
Do you guys think a setup like this would allow a van to function as a submersible?
>>44905264
Catfishing
>>44905461
12-14 dice? Sheesh, that seems high. 8 to 10 is still good enough so I guess that's cool.
>>44905525
As a Mentor Spirit, The 5e book Hard Targets has an entry for Adversary on page 136. It gives a free level of Iron Will and +2 dice to Demolitions.
>>44905611
I can't see why not, but do you need the extreme environment mod?
>>44905754
For a van, I theorized that underwater was definitely an extreme environment, though with the seals inherent in Life Support and Amphibious it might be redundant.
>>44905698
You get 12 dice from having 6 in an attribute and 6 in that skill. Adding a specialization gets another +2 for a specific use of that skill, so there's 14 dice without any cyberware or other gear.
Example: 6 Agility, 6 Skill Ranks in Pistols, a Specialization in Heavy Pistols, and a Laser Sight gets an un-augmented human to 15 dice to shoot things with his favorite gun. An implanted smartlink takes him to 16, and Rating 2 muscle toner buffs his Agility by 2 and gets him to 18 dice.
If you're struggling to build a character that can get those kinds of dice pools, you might want to reconsider your priority selection - you might not be taking enough skill points to do all the things you want to do. Also, high-edge (read, 5+ edge) characters can make do with smaller base dice pools, since they can dump 5+ extra dice into a roll when the chips are down.
>>44905525
It looks like there's a few different "Paths" in the wheel based on how you're reincarnated or whatever, so I'd work on a Path of the Bard. I doubt there's a lot of fluff for it, so you have free reign to make up whatever that entails.
Adversary as a Bard isn't too hard to imagine. A Loki type trickster who protects Tir interests...so long as it doesn't get in the way of having a little fun. Music would certainly be a part of it, but bards are also known for being glib, with wandering hands and a knack for stealth. If you want to bring in any of those into your build.
My group want to try out Shadowrun and our DM wants to know which edition he should read up on. What would you say is best for people first getting into the game?
>>44905850
That's what I would have thought.
I'd say that you could lose it unless you wanted extreme (deep water) to go further under than what it says in the propulsion mod
>>44906008
I play 4e but 5e might be the easiest
>>44906008
4e or 5e are great for getting into Shadowrun, I prefer 5e.
>>44905614
>you will never send your female street sam on awkward dates with your marks
feels bad man
>>44905698
you say that, but consider the average amount of hits with 12 dice: 3. then consider how many dice you're losing from penalties (shooting: range, vision, cover, first aid: awakened/cyber, location, situation, social: gender, relationship, situation). you're going to want to reliably roll at least 3-4 hits in your best skill. alternatively, rolling 10-12 dice in several skills might be acceptable for certain builds. it really depends if you only need to do one thing good, or many things decently.
>>44906633
>you say that, but consider the average amount of hits with 12 dice: 3.
4 is the average for 12 dice. 3 is, if your GM allows you to buy hits for the test, what you can buy.
Aside from that nitpick, the point is pretty vaild: You want 3-4 hits regularly, and 12-14 gets you that even in subotimal conditions. Having 16 dice (and starting to bump into your limits) or more lets you start doing fancy drek like called shot (vitals) to do more damage.
hey, how does the 6th world feel about Ware in sports (Besides urban brawl)
Like..... boxing?
>>44908153
There's an explanation for some of them in chrome flesh (see pic), but I don't think they say what happened with boxing.
>>44908233
>>44908153
Look through Attitude (4e) to see how sports have changed in the sixth world with all the magic and cyber running around.
For a different discussion topic, along with WHICH edition of SR you guys enjoy playing, and why do you prefer it to the other options?
>>44910017
>starting an edition war
shake my head to be honest familial peer
>mfw one of the players in my group rolled a fucking "jack of all trades"
>mfw it's just a human with 3s across the board
>mfw he chose priority A for nuyen and b for skills
>mfw he chose to do magic too
>mfw he won't survive his first encounter because he said it was a street sam
>mfw he will have to roll a useful character from then on
>>44911542
>Be me
>Make jack of all trades
>3's across the board
>Did a little magic too
>A nuyen, B skills
>Magic was being an Adept. Just enough for rank 3 reflexes
>Grabbed Narco and Nephritic Screen Max
>Also had some other general Bioware
>Used drugs to compensate for non-optimal stats
>Fucking drugs everywhere
>Purchased multiple copies of almost all gear in the standard rulebook
>Remained able to fill nearly any role that we needed extra support in, as well as having extra supplies and equipment for everything.
>mfw DM's think that being a jack of all trades means they're useless
>>44911542
>play 7-edge decker, advance non-decking dice pools to 8-10 in play -- this bit is trivial with JOAT quality
>use edge to make up difference
Remember, if you're human, you can just grok your way through everything.
>>44911698
>>44911744
>also have 3 edge and a bunch of karma
At least I have a big gun am I right.
>>44911829
Kermit here. Actually, I found I mostly used an AK, for the suppressive fire. I didn't need to do a lot of damage, just support the people who did.
>>44911888
I'm saying this is a noob who doesn't understand the mechanics of the game who is about to get a dose of reality shot into him after telling him that it's not a great idea to have a dragons hoard of guns, low stats, plus 2 in all skills he can put them in, and no cyber deck after being told that it's a shitty idea.
>>44911987
Well, that would be a more appropriate way to describe the situation than to give a pepe flipping the bird, as though you revel in the idea of just beating the shit out of newbies.
My suggestion, rather than just destroying him, and making it look like you're picking on him for what he probably thinks is just a creative idea, take him aside and do a practice game with him, just to show him WHY his current build is bad, and some suggestions on how to improve it.
He can still be a jack of all trades too, and help him work with being one! Just give him some advice (With some actual examples, and actually roll some dice) on how to improve (Hey, you don't have a cyberdeck, so why would you know anything about hacking? Did your character go to medical school? How would he know about surgery and stuff like that? Maybe it would be better to take these points and shift them over to... guns, something he probably has a lot more information about, or running and gymnastics, or perception, things like that.)
>>44912101
We already did fast food fight with some different character sheets. I already played with him before, and I outright told him that this is a bad idea because Jacks of all trades are not for him.
He wants to be a gun-toting badass street sam. I worked with him to give him a good build for it. Then he was like, hey let's do priority C attributes and I tell him its fine. Then he tells me his plan with the attributes. I'm like "thats a really shitty attribute set for a street sam" and he's like oh no I'm actually a jack of all trades. So I try to coax him into getting a more traditional build because it's easier for newbies but no. He wants his special snowflake build, so I say "as long as you come up with a good reason why you know all this by the time the game begins I'll allow it".
Then he then minmaxes his karma so he has like an extra 20 after qualities for God knows what (more money probably) in exchange for mild alcohol addiction, and a gold allergy or something. I ask him what he will do with all that karma, hoping he has at least an idea what to do with it and he was like "I dunno"
He also bought about an ass load of guns and a fucking leather jacket for armor despite me suggesting he actually get some real armor.
So yes, this is what I will do. I will let things take their natural course based on the path he chose in chargen. He can have all the guns he wants. He can be good at Tibetan throat singing. But when he is okay at everything he is not good at anything. Simple as that.
>>44905850
>>44905611
Are you planning on taking your van deeper than 100m? That's the depth of amphibious r2, so unless you're taking it deep sea exploring, it should be enough, right?
>>44912438
Okay, now I know more of your player, and he seems like a little shit.
So, feel free to wreck him, but afterwards, present it as a learning experience. Being a jack of all trades is fine, but there is also "spreading yourself too thin".
And yeah, some people can't play certain archetypes. My buddy is a great writer, but as much as he adore the archetype, he can NOT face to save his life.
I love the idea of brawlers, and even with the best of assistance, I'm mediocre at best with them.
So yeah, maybe he can't JoaT. But just make sure you present this as a learning experience, rather than just picking on him.
i'm going to be playing this with a group of guys from my school, never tried it before
anything I need to know?
>>44912709
Do you have ANY tabletop rpg experience?
>>44912483
Most likely not, it's just a concept I put together. Where was the depth for amph2 stated?
>>44913819
Rigger 5, p156.
I'm making a Mystic Adept build for sneaking, summoning, impersonation, and shooting things. Also some illusion and manipulation spells, since they tend to be handy. Could /tg/ take a look? Tradition is Black Magic.
Priorities:
Magic A (Spellcasting and Summoning)
Attributes B
Skills C
Metatype D (Elf)
Resources E
-Attributes-
BOD 2
AGI 4
REA 4
STR 2
CHA 7
INT 4
LOG 2
WIL 6
EDG 2 (1 point with Karma)
MAG 6
-Skill Groups-
Sorcery 2
-Skills-
Binding 10
Banishing 7
Counterspelling 8
Gymnastics 8
Impersonation 10
Pistols 9
Ritual Spellcasting 8
Running 8
Spellcasting 11
Sneaking 10
Summoning 12
-Adept Powers-
Light Body 4 (2 Free from Cat Spirit Mentor)
Astral Perception
Attribute Boost (AGI) 2
Traceless Walk
Wall Running
Voice Control 2
Combat Sense 3
-Spells-
Forced Defense
Increase Reflexes
Hot Potato
Physical Mask
Improved Invisibility
Trid Phantasm
Bind
Control Thoughts
Fashion
Levitate
>>44905525
>Also how would someone who follows Path of the Wheel interpret Adversary
Mab.
>SR4A
>Look up Enchanting
>Oh hey, you can make orichalcum
>You can refine raw reagents to Refined and then to Radical
>The thresholds to do this are like 2-3 and it takes a month
>You can, presumably, have multiple batches at once
>It costs 11,000 nuyen to make orichalcum, which is worth 50,000 nuyen and if you succeed you get units equal to your net hits over the test, which you can edge
>11,000 nuyen into a potential 400,000 profit
>Free Spirit, get yourself to Force 10
>Buy 11k worth of reagents
>Edge your tests
>Produce 400k of orichalcum every month
>Every time you do this, buy more materials
>Do it more
>Within a year you're, literally, got more money than GOD
Remind me why people said that the SR4A enchanting rules were weak? Because printing infinite money at basically zero cost doesn't seem weak.
>>44914631
Get some Etiquette and Con to sweettalk you way through shit when possible.
>>44914715
I mean yeah, but you have to sell the stuff, and you're flooding the market, causing orichalum inflation and that can't be good for anyone
Have they released an updated 5e with all the shit fixed yet?
>>44914886
Not him, but that doesn't have to do with the rules, anon. His point is sound.
But then, I wan't here whenever you guys were discussing 4e enchanting rules, so what do I know?
>>44914715
Because making a bunch of valueble metal doesn't make you rich in Shadowrun, it makes you someone's slave.
>>44914960
Fuck. I was pretty excited about 5, but every time I go back to re-read it I really want to see them redo it something like the 20th anniv. book they did for 4. As it stands it's a bit of a mess.
>>44915000
Yeah, 5th needs a lot of work. Wireless bonuses and noise still confuse the fuck out of everyone.
>>44915014
Isn't noise just background count for a decker without a datajack?
>>44915038
Nope. It shuts down all wireless functionality from devices lower then it's level. So you can't use a smartlink in the rain.
Trying to start. Is there an easiest edition of SR to start with?
>>44915443
4th edition by far.
>>44915443
5e is the newest, and is pretty close to 4e, the biggest change is a matrix overhaul. 4e also starts you at a higher level (navy seal tier) while 5e starts you at very good, but not godlike, closer to a good mafia soldier or marine.
>>44915443
Depends on whether someone wants to play a hacker or not.
how in fuck does the priority system work? I just got the 3e rulebook today and i don't understand jack shit about it. am i just retarded or is it written to confuse people?
>>44915443
5e, probably.2e is easier to actually play, and better, but that doesn't help anybody because people don't play 2e.
Hey Chummers. First time GM prepping for a campaign.
I have several plans for short runs, but they're standalone. How long should/can I go without an overarching plot or conspiracy?
>>44915753
What's not to understand? You pick one in each column, and you only get one at each level. So you need to pick A for something, B for something else, on down the line.
![aa2b6707f382b7faa083ec04ec278ce4[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IEZsXvA.png "aa2b6707f382b7faa083ec04ec278ce4[1].png")
>>44915767
this fucking picture man. Does the left relate to the right? If I pick Elf, does it cost 90,000 nuyen?
this book makes me feel like i have downs, but i know it can't be as complicated as i'm making it out to be
>>44915758
Generally you can go a while, but do remember to have arcs of things.
>>44915758
You can go as long as you want without having the players involved in a plot, but I would have the premises of a plot happening in the background of their adventures.
>>44915789
If you want to be an elf, you have to select Priority C for your Race. This prevents you from selecting any of the other C-ranked priority items for the other stuff. So you can't be an Elf with 34 skills and 90,000¥.
>>44902986
Try the latest nightly release. I spent about an hour staring at the block of code responsible for the mistake trying to figure out what it was supposed to do then just gutted it, now seems to work properly? Tag is 5.179.667.
>>44915038
Noise is fairly retarded in the way it's explained at the moment, and could do with a separation between static (jamming) and spam (slows things down, but still allows comms & basic wireless).
>>44915077
That should be read as modified Noise rating.
>>44915844
thanks. i think my dumbass gets it now.
>>44915949
All good, stupid questions are pretty much the foundation of Shadowrun.
On the subject of starting and 5th ed, is the street rules book on the alpha ware box just the quick start rules? I've heard many uncomplimentary things about the alpha ware set.
>>44916028
Nevermind, finally found the info online and it's something like a 90 page book that has everything you need to run a game but nothing about building a runner our equipping then.
>>44915860
>The way it's explained.
Rain literally says it causes a static zone. I'm not sure what your headcannon is but it seems pretty far away from what the book says.
I think it should be read as "Noise and Wireless Bonuses are promising concepts we fucked up in execution. Watch this space for the next edition to make it not suck or some crude rule patches in Not Unwired."
Hard to not question what the fuck they were thinking when they took a bunch of existing capabilities, including ones that made no sense, and made them Wireless Only.
>Chameleon Suit. Illegal thermo/optical camouflage.
>Turns on wireless to tell everyone exactly where you are.
>>44916270
> I'm not sure what your headcannon is but it seems pretty far away from what the book says.
... Yeah. Sorry to hear you had trouble with comprehension?
>Noise is fairly retarded in the way it's explained at the moment
>Noise () could do with a separation between static (jamming) and spam (slows things down, but still allows comms & basic wireless).
>A spam zone has so much traffic (often commercial in nature) that everything gets processed slower.
>Static zones are areas with either a lot of electromagnetic blockage (like an underground tunnel, labyrinth of sewers, or ruins of a steel office building) or far away from civilization (the middle of a desert, the north pole, adrift in the Pacific, etc.).
Try reading that without cherry picking / turning into a retard / whatever your prob was.
>>44914631
No perception is bad for you.
>>44914631
>Counterspelling 8
>Gymnastics 8
>Impersonation 10
Show skill ranks, not dice pools.
Hello. I'm new to shadowrun. My friend is gonna gm for me and some other friends next week. I don't know anything about it, though. He said we were gonna play 5th edition with some extra books (I don't remember which, but he's supposed to get them to me in a couple days).
The only thing I know that's similar to the setting is Ghost in the Shell. Does any of that translate well?
>>44917470
Not really; the major differences you'll note are that there's magic and fantastic races like orks and trolls. Cyberware is substantially less prevalent, with full-body cyborgs highly uncommon. Ghost in the Shell's design aesthetic is like what Shadowrun could be if it got its shit together, I guess?
>>44917470
Kinda. Take Ghost in the Shell, remove full body cyborgs, and add a bunch of generic D&D crap like wizards and shit. (Brains in jars still kinda exist, but they're very rare and prone to going on horrible destructive rampages)
>>44916865
Counterspelling is at 2
Banishing is at 1
Binding is at 4
Gymnastics is at 4
Impersonation is at 3
Pistols is at 5
Ritual Spellcasting is at 2
Runnng is at 6
Sneaking is at 4
Spellcasting is at 5
Summoning is at 6.
>>44916544
This is true. I'll have to find a way to drop a couple of points into it.
>>44914829
I'm scraped for skill points enough as it is.
>>44917753
Get a couple of spare points by dropping some skills down 2 but adding a specialisation.
For example you can go;
Pistols 3 (semi auto)
Etiquette 1
Also consider using karma for the 1 point skills
>>44917805
Good advice.
Here's what they are now...
Counterspelling is at 2, total 8
Banishing is at 1, total 7
Binding is at 4, total 10
Gymnastics is at 2 (Can't decide if Leaping or Parkour would be better for +2 since they're basically the same, but total would be 8 + 4 with Light Body)
Impersonation is at 3, total of 10
Pistols is at 3 (Semi-Automatics +2, total 9)
Perception is at 2, total 6
Ritual Spellcasting is at 2
Runnng is at 4 (Sprinting +2, total 8)
Sneaking is at 2 (Urban +2, total 10 from Mentor Spirit)
Spellcasting is at 5, total 11
Summoning is at 6, total 12
Con and Etiquette are both at 1, total 8
>>44901173
>Places where autists and social rejects complain about how elves are all sluts too interested in troll dick to give them the time of day.
This doesn't sound too far-fetched, to be honest.
>>44918031
Can you have a skill at 5 and a skill at 6 in SR5?
I seem to remember one at 6 or two at 5.
>>44918166
You can have as many as you want at 5, but only one can be at 6 or 7 before leaving chargen.
>>44918123
Wrong thread buddy.
>>44918298
Someone is literally going around and posting that in every thread. Report as spam.
>>44918193
I thought that rule only applied to Attributes?
>>44918298
>>44918358
What'd he post?
>>44919495
They're just trying to derail the thread with a wall of text accusing us of being weird, social outcast, misogynists.
Not linked to any post that even slightly mentions anything of the sort. The shittiest of b8s desu senpai.
How useful is alchemy, arcane and, ritual spellcasting? I'm still new to the system, but all of them seem like a waste.
>>44899732
New shadows in focus is out. They stick any crunch in?
>>44920264
alchemy is trash, ritual is sometimes useful but mostly you don't need it, don't know arcane
>>44918031
Drop banishing. At 1 it won't do anything for you anyway other than get you killed.
>>44908153
>>44908233
ware and adepts were banned for a while and then they were slowly lifted. It's in the 6th world almanac
>>44920264
>arcane
You mean Arcana? It's useful for background stuff (i.e. learning new spells and Initiation), but your GM may never ask you to roll it on a run, and most GMs just allow you to initiate or learn spells if you pay the karma with no roll there either. Ask your GM, but safe to ignore, I'd say.
Is it possible to actual get a game of this going, I can't find anyone in real life or online who wants to play.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jGaunrn.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>44908233
>>44908488
It's quite old, but Shadowbeat has a lot of neat info, too.
Is Fling a good alternative to Throwing Weapons? I want to use grenades but I'm wimpy and leveling the skill to a good level is so expensive
So I'm running a campaign where the players will be stars on a gameshow, running across north america, with multiple bounty hunters chasing them
I've got a few potential routes for the game to go, what does /srg/ think of them?
Also Sam if you're reading /srg/, don't look at this.
>>44921959
DESU, I think including south america via the pan-american highway would be cooler.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/PanAmericanHwy.png
>>44921959
Updated with a new potential route
>>44922044
I think for now I'm just going to keep things to north americaHorizon needs to save some material for the next season
>>44922194
>forgetting the image
>>44918166
>>44918193
SR5 doesn't have restrictions on maxing skills at chargen. You can have as many rank 5 or rank 6 skills as you want.
You can only have one Attribute raised to its natural maximum.
>>44914714
Mab?
>>44905703
>+2 dice to Demolitions.
lolwut
>>44922759
>Mab?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dresden_Files_characters#Queen_Mab
>>44920265
Far as I know there's not much crunch in there at all, aside from 'Here's how you do shit in SF'. Doesn't appeal to me too much and my game's on hiatus anyway so I won't be getting it.
>>44923491
Catalyst shoves crunch up the arsehole of things that you wouldn't think has crunch
>>44923529
Yeah but normally they're like 'Includes many new life modules!' as though anyone actually cares about them.
>>44923560
New life modules would be real nice if you could actually build a reasonable character using them.
>>44923560
And sometimes they're powers and mentor spirits. I don't want a curveball
>>44923658
It's a shame, because it makes such nicely fluffy characters but they're all mechanically terrible.
>>44923928
According to the forums there's a couple of guns, that's it.
If I have a gun with AP -1 and use gel rounds (AP +1), does that make the total AP 0 or AP +1. In other words, does the ammo AP add to the weapon AP or override it?
Looking Glass seems really tempting, but I wonder if it's one sided transparency or not
Since its +, it adds.
>>44924229
Merci, Merci
>>44924414
I always did it like that
>>44924707
Like what, I asked a or-or question.
>>44924858
I did it like math if it was a +1ap and the gun had -1 I made it 0
>>44924945
to follow up with this the only ammo this doesn't count for is S&S
>>44924858
Yes.
>>44902812
Has TwoDee made an appearance since the conclusion of Shadowrun Storytimes? I...really hope he does, if he hasn't already.
>>44921285
try gamefinder threads or le reddit.
>>44925620
He's been around once or twice; something something another campaign, something something flaky players.
>>44923658
>>44924229
When everyone is mechanically terrible ...
Not that that's always true. I have a pretty good LM decker. The trick is finding a group that wants to play LMs.
>>44926543
I can attest to this.
however, playing mages is really freaking tough in LM. Its hard to really do much, because 80% of them focus entirely on 'spellcasting' not anything else.
But, in general, yeah, LM can be fun if everyone is doing it.
And its also the responsibility of the GM to not throw encounters that are too powerful for the party level.
Hey all, new to Shadowrun, are there any android classes? Homebrewed or otherwise?
thanks
>>44927236
4th edition has jar-head androids, but they're not really playable.
>>44916415
So you just like now Noise works now, but want the rules more clear about how smartlinks don't work in Seattle?
>>44927281
my friends and I think android decker would be neato.
DM seems to think its a cool idea as well, I guess if done right it could have some unique strengths/ drawbacks
Can anyone answer a few questions to me about Riggers?
1) How intelligent would you say their pilot software is? Do you think they could track a target for blocks on blocks through a sprawl?
2) What is the range for a Drone? Can a drone track someone from one end of a city to another accounting for noise?
3) Can a Rigger control more than one drone at once? Do drones need to be switched between control or can he sort of multi task them?
Thanks!
>>44927316
alternitively, look into AI in data trails. they're far from optimal, but if you've got a good GM, they can be fun.
>>44927391
1) They can follow orders really well. But if something happens, they're about as smart as dogs.
2) Yeah, they can definitely do that. Probably even further.
3) Yes. He can control a shit load of drones at once (I don't remember the exact number, its related to the device rating of what you're using to control them). But, he can only JUMP INTO 1 drone/vehicle at a time. but, even jumped into a drone, he can control others.
>>44927432
cool thanks for the suggestion
>>44927301
>Noise () could do with a separation between static (jamming) and spam (slows things down, but still allows comms & basic wireless).
>>44927391
In the rigger book, there's a rigger who's driving 5+ vehicles cross country from the safety of his home.
>>44927316
Eh. You could make an AI that inhabits an anthroform, I guess. You'd need Data Trails and Rigger 5.0 for that.
>>44927391
1.Pilot 3 is canonically equivalent to a smart dog's intelligence. If you give it an image of a car and say 'follow this car and tell me where it stops' it'll do that as best it can. If it loses sight of the car for one reason or another, it'll have to make a Pilot test to determine how to interpret the orders. Basically as long as there's nothing to throw them off their ordered task they'll perform it to the letter.
2. Range is theoretically infinite, if you tell a drone to follow a guy until his car stops and it doesn't stop until he reaches New York, it'll follow him all that way. Noise is largely only relevant if you want to directly control the drone or it needs to load programs from your RCC, if it's operating on its own it doesn't need to worry about it.
3. A rigger can only personally control one drone at a time; using an RCC, he can issue orders to as many of his slaved drones as he wants with one Simple Action. You can have DR*3 devices slaved to an RCC, so potentially 18 drones at once.
>check roll20
>one GM-less game listing
>one play-by-post updated once a day
>one 4th edition game
>one ad for runnerhub with all its inherent autism
I'm just gonna go ahead and concede the fact that I'll never get to play a game of Shadowrun. RIP.
the enemy group has caught on to your wily ways, and has shut off their matrix devices completely. as a hacker, what do you have left to do?
>>44914976
And then when you have more money than them and can do literally anything you're sure a slave.
>>44908233
>that football blurb
i just imagined a fully chromed troll linebacker bearing down on me at 20 miles per hour
>>44928121
Shoot them because everybody should know how to pull triggers and kill niggers in meatspace
>looking over character sheets while doing GM prep
>look at equipment
>Everything seems normal
>Then I see it
>Foam explosives, 10kg
>Detonator caps, 20
>Aztechnology Striker
>Frag missile, 10
>>44928191
>get framed
>police arrest you on trumped up charges
>man in a suit offers you a deal you cant refuse
>chained to a max security prison, forced to create orichalcum for your captors
I dont think you understand how megacorps work. the money you could ever make is but a pittance.
>>44927981
stop bitching, become a GM. it's not that hard. in many respects, it's easier.
>>44928356
welp
Is it a bad idea to have quickened spells Increase Attribute spells on all the time? Apart from the glowing like a wildfire on the astral.
>>44928246
Nigga you lucky then. 20 miles an hour is his walking speed.
>>44928587
I've given GMing a shot. Hate it with a passion, and wasn't any good at doing it.
I've got a deep respect for those who can.
>>44928862
I dont know if there are rules for it, but I think you'd get an addiction similar to power foci addiction. you're so used to having increased [attribute] that you feel like shit when it's gone. also, somebody's going to counterspell your shit and waste your karma for you.
>>44929160
In 5e you don't have to spend extra karma based on force, so you can cast it at a high enough force that counterspelling will be a no.
![171637[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oJ1nV1g.jpg "171637[1].jpg")
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/171637/Shadowrun-Shadows-in-Focus-City-by-Shadow-San-Francisco-Metroplex
Anyone got it yet?
Can anyone explain how the "use drone arms to get extra limbs" thing works?
>>44929893
I second this query.
>>44929893
>>44929973
You could use the Drone Arm rules from Rigger 5 and then attach them onto a harness or suit of armor. However, 5e has no rules on them so its mostly up to homebrew. As a GM I probably wouldn't let a player do this without some serious Cybertechnology and Armorer dice pools.
>>44929893
Reloading rails are available as cybertorso mods in Hard Targets.
>this small articulated arm assists in reloading a magazine-fed irearm. A trained shooter can slam home a fresh clip into an empty irearm with one hand as a Free Action.
>The reloading rail can hold up to 4 clips. The reloading rail is not intended for stealth use and has a Concealability modiier of +2.
>>44930057
(also available to attach to a belt / backpack, fwiw)
>>44929893
Kinda doesn't. The general idea is that you mount a drone to your body or some kind of harness, then use Send Message via DNI to issue it orders. The problem with this is that it's still not 'your' arm, so it can't make tests using your own skills, and jumping into it means that your body would flop around like a pool noodle. There's a drone arm backpack thing in Hard Targets that's preprogrammed to reload your magazine for you, but CGL likes to steer away from the more transhumanist cyberware.
>>44929746
Nope. Might be a decent wait.
>>44930050
Doesn't seem like it should be THAT hard. Purchase a cyber limb, lose appropriate essence, just don't replace your old arm.
Why can't we just do that?
>>44930305
CGL disapproves of people gaining additional limbs through cyberware and I don't really care for the transhumanist cyberware stuff that makes your runner look like a Metal Gear Solid Boss. So, I don't homebrew that as an option for my players.
If a player wanted to use cyberlimbs and attach them externally, that'd be fine with appropriate crafting tests.
>>44930305
Mechanically it's simple. Fluff says it doesn't work. According to 4e's Augmentation, the metahuman brain simply can't handle additional inputs in a manner that can approximate a limb's true range of articulation. The only fluff that's ever shown it is Hatchetman (A cyberzombie). That said, if it's your game or your GM's cool with it, go nuts.
>>44930447
>Metal Gear Solid boss
Vulcan Raven was a goddamn Phys-Adept and you know it.
>>44930050
>>44930104
So basically if I want to have 4 directly usable arms (even temporarily), I need to be a Nartaki or SURGE with shiva arms. And if I want to be able to walk around the sprawl with only 2 arms to avoid unwanted attention, I need to replace two of those arms with modular connectors and cyberarms with the Modular modification. Well that's a bit disappointing.
>>44930916
Yup.
>>44930916
In theory, you could get two large smuggling compartments and slide your lower arms into those.
>>44930987
Well, I guess people are going to have to deal with a bit of snowflakeness with this character then, since there's no other way to get the mechanical side that I want.
>>44931072
You could just ask your GM to houserule in a quality letting you take bonus cyber arms rather than burn points on SURGE. Maybe their brain is fucked up in the right way to do more arms.
So thoughts on turning the tata hotspur into a mech?
What REAL advantages do you get for having 4 arms?
You get slightly better recoil reduction?
Dual wield two handed weapons?
Juggle better?
I mean, seriously, it's not like it let's you get free shots, you'll still have to split your dice. It won't make your melee attacks stronger, unless you make your real arms have 3 strength, and boost your spares to 9, but that's not even a game breaking mechanic.
I suppose MAYBE you would have an advantage in grappling, but that's hardly game breaking either.
>>44931771
My thoughts were turning the houseboat into a flying fortress. People didn't run with it.
>>44931771
5e? Mechs aren't much of an option.
>>44931814
You can hold more items at once.
>>44931814
Real advantages? You don't need to spend actions drawing your guns again after doing something else in combat. You can get more armored cyberbits to add to your armor rating. And... That's about it. No advantages to recoil reduction, dual wielding is shit, and for some reason there is no benefit to melee combat when you can block/attack nearly twice as much as your opponent.
>>44931814
you can buy more striking calluses for lods of unarmed damage, beaten only by someone with 6 arms
>>44931877
>dual wielding is shit
Not really. SR just doesn't tell you it's not a real combat option out of the gate. It's for taking down surprised NPCs, or for when you have a dice pool so high you need to split it.
>>44929746
When/if anyone does, stick it in the Mediafire via the upload links and give me a shout so I can send it over to the Mega.
Is there any houseboats in Shadowrun?
>>44932053
Evo Aquavida
R5 p90-91
>>44932153
NOT IN CHUMMER
REE
>>44932179
Get the nightly, and harden the fuck up.
>>44932223
>based beating me to the reply anon
>>44931932
But just doing a double-tap, burst, or full auto lets you split your attacks just as well, gives the opponent a penalty to their defense roll, and doesn't require a second gun.
>>44932258
Isn't it RAW that if you go full auto, and attack multiple targets, that they ALL get the same defense penalty?
>>44932357
RAW, yeah. Though a GM could easily rule that the "Not enough bullets" rule applies, in that each of two targets is getting 5 bullets instead of 10, and so each one only gets -4 to their defense instead of both getting -9.
>>44932258
>double-tap
Nope.
>burst
Nope; "If a character has one weapon in each hand, he may fire once with each weapon by adding a Multiple Attacks Free Action".
>full auto
Nope; "If a character has one weapon in each hand, he may fire once with each weapon by adding a Multiple Attacks Free Action".
>Fire Long Burst (splits 2 ways) or Semi-Auto Burst (splits 3 ways).
>A character may attack multiple targets within Short or Medium range by adding a Multiple Attacks Free Action
This is what you're looking for.
>>44931841
5e seems to have a very specific idea on what a Shadowrunner should be, and if you're not following this idea, you're having BADWRONGFUN.
Look at all the Jackpointers talking about the Milspec armor. They all say stuff like "No thanks, this is impractical" and "If you're in a firefight, you're doing it wrong".
Also, milspec armor in 5e halves your movement speed, which seems to defeat the purpose of power armor.
>>44932616
You talking SR4 or SR5? SR5 says:
>Semi-automatic weapons can take advantage of the Multiple Attacks Free Action if the shooter has two semi-automatic weapons.
>Semi-Automatic bursts can take advantage of the Multiple Attacks Free Action to fire at multiple targets with the same burst.
>Burst Fire weapons can take advantage of the Multiple Attacks Free Action to fire at multiple targets with the same burst.
>Long Burst weapons can take advantage of the Multiple Attacks Free Action to fire at multiple targets with the same burst.
>Full-auto weapons can take advantage of the Multiple Attacks Free Action to fire at multiple targets with the same burst.
And the full text of the multiple attacks action:
>Characters sometimes want to really put on the hurting in a single Action Phase and can choose to attack more than once in a single Action Phase by using the Multiple Attacks Free Action. This action represents both attacking multiple times from a single melee weapon and attacking with two different weapons (firearms or melee). The attacker’s dice pool is calculated with all modifiers (Wound, Environmental, Situational, and the full recoil of all attacks if it’s a ranged attack) and then split as evenly as possible between all attacks, and each attack is handled separately. (Keep in mind as the dice pool gets smaller the chances of a glitch rise.)
>Dice gained by spending Edge applies before the pool is split, while dice from both pools can be re-rolled with a single use of Edge.
>The total number of attacks you can make in a single Action Phase is limited to one-half the attacker’s Combat Skill.
>>44932766
As has been discussed at length before, the rules for multiple attacks in 5e are at best woefully incomplete.
>>44932671
There's one poster that dumps on milspec without question, and that's Ma'fan; a stealthy cat burglar adept type.
>>44932766
SR5, 165-167.
>>44932870
So the book contradicts itself between the p165&p167 entries and the p178-179 entries. Why am I not at all surprised that CGL can't fucking proofread.
>>44932812
/srg/ knows FUCKING NOTHING about Shadowrun mechanics actually.
>>44932948
165-167 are specifics on how it can be done. 178-179 are essentially filler, but for the fact that it tells you how you can split semi-auto and long bursts.
>>44914320
SR4, Chummer
>>44933105
Then you need to specify, because it's not the default.
>>44908153
Shadowbeat from 1e has a ton of information on this.
so ozzy osbourne is a vampire in the 6th world, right? if not, I figure he should be.
I understand there are a couple new Chicago missions up? Ten Fifty Seven and Amber Waves of Grain? They're not in the HateFish files; does anyone know anything about them?
>>44899732
>> Connecting to Schattennetz...
>tfw your GM running black trenchcoat style and your team involves catgirl ears, wizard robes and a deep-seated hatred of attack helicopters
>>44934888
>swastika
Sweet, free guns
>>44937252
Planning on stealing from a gun dealer with a Hindu or Buddhist leaning?
>>44937480
I'll just pay them back in my next life, s'cool
Would ten million nuyen in assets be too much for a ~300 man (~200 combat personnel, ~100 pilots, mechanics, etc) mercenary company to have?
I'm making a Mystic Adept mostly as a party support. It's a street level game. Any advices, /srg/?
Metatype: E - Human
Attributes: C - 16 Attributes
Special: A - Magician or Technomancer
Skills: B - 36 Skills/5 Skill Groups
Resources: D - 15,000¥
== Attributes ==
BOD: 2
AGI: 3
REA: 1 (4)
STR: 2
CHA: 2
INT: 4
LOG: 6
WIL: 4
EDG: 3
MAG: 6
== Active Skills ==
Clubs : 4 Pool: 7
Computer : 1 [Matrix Search] Pool: 7 (9)
Counterspelling : 5 Pool: 11
Etiquette : 4 Pool: 6
First Aid : 6 Pool: 12
Gymnastics : 5 Pool: 8
Perception : 6 [Visual] Pool: 10 (12)
Pistols : 6 [Semi-Automatics] Pool: 9 (11)
Running : 5 Pool: 7
Sneaking : 4 Pool: 7
Spellcasting : 6 [Health] Pool: 12 (14)
Swimming : 5 Pool: 7
== Spells == Tradition: Hermetic
Analyze Truth
Armor
Detect Life
Heal
Increase [Attribute] (AGI)
Increase Reflexes
Levitate
Manabolt
Physical Barrier
Stunbolt
== Powers ==
Astral Perception
Combat Sense Rating: 1
Danger Sense Rating: 1
Improved Reflexes 3
Improved Sense (Termographic vision)
Mystic Armor Rating: 1
Traceless Walk
Voice Control Rating: 1
== Armor ==
Armor Clothing
Armor Jacket
Clothing
Helmet
== Weapons ==
Ares Predator V
+Smartgun System, Internal
Colt America L36
Extendable Baton
Telescoping Staff
== Commlink ==
Hermes Ikon
+Trodes
+Trid Projector
+Biometric Reader
+AR Gloves
So Movement works by multiplying the speed of object it's worked on by the spirit's/critter's force, right?
What happens if two spirits, Spirit 1 with Force F_1 and Spirit 2 with Force F_2, both use Movement on the same Object simultaneously?
Is it:
1) v_end = v_0 * (F_1 + F_2) or
2) v_end = v_0 * F_1 * F_2
>>44938552
Only the higher force one applies
So wait, with the new vehicle mod rules you get (body) modslots for each catagory?
So for example if my Body is 10, I could have say, two manual heavy weapon mounts (10 slots) which would max out weapons, and then get extra seating in the body section?
>>44899732
Some friends of mine made a version called Shadowchan for where we RP. Fun times.
How do vehicle mounted weapons work?
I assume for a manual one it takes Agility+Gunnery of whoever is manually in control.
What about something like a turreted weapon on the top of a truck? Would it use the pilots Agility+Gunnery or some mental attribute like Int or Log? Or would it use the vehicles pilot rating and the drivers gunnery?
What would be the mechanical difference between a fixed and flexible mount, or is it only range of fire with nothing else changed?
I'm confus.
>>44936985
>after many weeks of running black trenchcoat with friends, they ignore repeated warnings and sneak weaponless onto a mob boss's barge during a gang war
I still haven't decided how badly they've fucked up.
Guess I have until Sunday.
>>44938967
Gunnery uses Agi, whether you are directly behind the weapon or controlling it with a comlink (see control device matrix action)
Pilot+eventual gunnery program is only used when the gun act autonomously like a drone.
>>44939295
But that's wrong. You use Logic for remote-controlled gunnery.
>>44939375
Would a fixed weapon attached to the nose of a helicopter count as remote controlled or manual for the purposes of this?
An argument could be made for both.
Had anyone used Winternight in their campaigns? How do you all feel about them?
Also, I hear tell that they became widely known after the second crash, but just how much? After some 12 years, does everyone still know who they are?
>>44939398
Is the gunner in the helicopter? Manual.
Also, who the fuck puts a fixed weapon in the nose of a helicopter, that's retarded
Hey, I've just picked up the 5th Edition Shadowrun corebook. What sort of house rules does /tg/ use for this edition? I'm thinking about running this for some friends and I'm curious to hear what people have come up with.
>>44939375
Have you read the matrix action?
>>44939963
A better example would be rocket pods on the sides.
Also rate the fleet of a smallish PMC I'm making made up of former VDV members
Transport Helo (HUGHES STALLION WK-4s) (x4)
Hand 5 Speed 5 Accel 4 Bod 16 Arm 16 Pilot 4 Sens 4 Seats 12
Mods:
Protection (16 slots):
PPS Rating 6 (2 slots)
(+6 soak for passengers when crashing)
Weapons (16 slots):
Thermal Smoke Projector (2 slots)
Heavy Manual Flex Weapon Mount, door (6 slots)
(RPK HMG)
Body (16 slots):
Increased Seating (2 Slots)
Winch x2 (2 slots)
Valkyrie Module (4 slots)
Searchlight (1 slot)
Combat Helo (AGULAR GX-2) (x2)
Hand 5 Speed 7 Accel 5 Bod 20 Arm 20 Pilot 4 Sens 4 Seats 2
Mods:
Protection (16 slots):
Extra Armour 4 (8 slots)
Weapons (16 slots):
Turreted Heavy Weapon mount (nose) (6 slots)
(Vindicator minigun)
Fixed Heavy Weapon mount x2 (wings) (8 slots)
(Aztechnology strikers w/ HE rockets)
Cargo Plane (Fed-Boing Commuter) (x1)
Hand 3 Speed 5 Accel 3 Bod 16 Arm 8 Pilot 3 Sens 3 Seats 45
Mods:
Protection:
PPS Rating 6 (2 slots)
Power Train:
Speed enhancer 2 (14 slots)
Body:
Extra Seating (2 slots)
>>44939965
Don't play a technomancer before you've played a decker.
Don't play a decker as your first character ever.
>>44930092
So Tomb Raider
>>44899732
Talk to me about starting a campaign, /srg/. I've talked myself into running a game for a few people at work, 5e, no one else has played it, some familiarity with the setting from the vidya. I'm expecting this to be a bit of a mess, and I think that's the right attitude to have when attempting to play Shadowrun.
I ran a 20-odd session campaign before and started with a milk run (In Cold Blood, I think is what it was called; swap out a vial of blood in a corp factory's on-site med bay). Seems like an approach that makes sense, but I'm wondering if any of you guys have alternative Milk Runs in mind. I was a player for Shattered State, so that's pretty decent as well. I've also heard of Food Fight, but I'm not sure where to find it or how good it is.
I'm also wondering about having an actual plot thread through the campaign this time. My previous "campaign" was actually a series of unrelated missions, with side-plots for each of the characters whose players actually roleplayed but no main story. I have a feeling that players more familiar with Shadowrun: Dragonfall than rolling a bucket of d6s will expect an actual plot.
So:
>How would/do/did you start a Shadowrun campaign?
>Is Food Fight any good?
>Should I bother with a main plot, or just stick to "And here's today's mission"?
>>44941180
>How would/do/did you start a Shadowrun campaign?
>Is Food Fight any good?
Always start with Food Fight.
>Should I bother with a main plot, or just stick to "And here's today's mission"?
Generally I like to follow the style of having the beginning be random missions with a few plot related ones thrown in too, and then the more things develop the less random missions they go on the closer they get to the climax.
>>44941252
>Always start with Food Fight.
Strong answer.
http://cdn.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/E-CAT27QSR_SR5-Quick-Start-Rules.pdf
Is that what Food Fight always is? I thought it involved that Stuffer Shack from TwoDee's story about the infamous trout player who thought he was playing cyberDiablo.
>>44940131
Oh boy, ANOTHER instance of CGL contradicting themselves. What a fucking surprise.
I'm starting to think that no matter what rule I'm looking at, there's always another rule that directly says something else. Personally, I'd keep it as Log+Gunnery for remote, because how in the fuck does your physical agility determine mental control of a drone or turret?
>>44941354
The SR5 is a different version, but you should probably use the quickstart rules for new players.
You can probably find the old foodfight rules in the pastbin, but here's the table for things getting messy:
Die Roll / Result
1 Nothing Breaks
2-3 Glop splashes all over the target and anyone within 2 meters of him. The floor in that area becomes Difficult Terrain.
4-5 So much glop splashes over the target that his face and arms are completely covered. He now suffers a +2 modifier to all actions as a result of impaired visibility.
6 Pyrotechnics! Not only does stuff explode all over the target character(s) and anyone else in the vicinity, but the damage causes a secondary effect: falling cans, exploding light fixtures, chemical reactions/let your imagination run wild. The target rolls Body (4) to resist Light Stun damage from this effect.
Roll 2D6 for each column and use the results to describe the mess.
Die Roll / Color / Consistency / Type
2 Black / Chunky / Powder
3 Blue / Fizzy / Plastic
4 Green / Lumpy / Metal
5 Orange / Smelly / Meat
6 Pink / Soft / Liquid
7 Purple / Spngy / Powder
8 Red / Sticky / Liquid
9 White / Sudsy / Meat
10 Yellow / Syrupy / Metal
11 Clear / Thick / Plastic
12 Multicolored / Choose 2 / Vegetable
>>44941354
Fast Food Fight (The McHugh's) is different from Food Fight (The Stuffer Shack).
Both are worth playing. You can find Food Fight for 5e in the Alphaware Runner's Toolkit.
What are some random encounters I can toss at my players when they are driving across continental north america?
>>44942033
Go gangers, paracritters (I think there are massive armadillos in Texas...like, bus sized), native americans maybe looking to hire someone for a small quest (finding reagents, catching a white buffalo, wrangling a free spirit, needing a sacrifice for some sweet sweet blood magic...it's not only Aztecs, remember the GGD was blood magic)
>>44940277
Hear, hear!
>>44941387
Could be a toss-up. Remote control doesn't automatically imply DNI, and controlling a gun remotely with, you know, an actual remote WOULD land closer to Agility than Logic, I think.
>>44942123
>catching a white buffalo
Never again.
As an adept are the different ways worth 20 karma to spend at character creation in 5e?
>>44941478
>Alphaware Runner's Toolkit.
Got a source for that? Google's a dead end and I'm not seeing it in the pastebin, but I might be being dense.
>>44944046
Pastebin -> Mediafire -> Digital Toolkit, Alphaware -> Plots and Paydata -> Page 12
>>44944118
Dense it is, then. Thanks.
>>44938706
Yes
Is anyone else really impressed with Rigger 5?
Things are actually easy to understand, I haven't found many editing errors, and the huge variety of stuff is really nice.
>>44944466
It's of a higher standard than a lot of their other recent books for sure. Still a couple of problems, but overall pretty happy.
