Is a Necron Tomb Ship one of the most powerful spaceships in modern science fiction ?
>>44649276
Probably not, there's a large number of settings/fictions (often video games, but whatever) that simply do not realise how incredibly OP their shit is, and is only prevented from being OP as fuck by it's plot getting in the way/the OP as shitness never really coming up.
But what do you mean by 'one of'? How big a group are you talking about here, and by extension what do you consider modern science fiction?
>>44649276
Nah.
I also I just read some shit where clouds of nanobots terraformed absolutefuckingly everything they found in the galaxy to Earth-standard.
>>44649655
Revelation Space series?
Because humanity ended the fucking universe by doing that.
>>44649276
HA
HA HA HA HA
Not even fucking close. Can it destroy universes? Can it travel through time and space? Can it tank the destruction of an entire galaxy with no issue?
>>44649276
No, not at all, look up just how many different spaceships there are in modern scifi, you'll find at least 1 ship that outclasses it in any of its major categories.
>>44649751
How about a Super Star Destroyer versus a Tomb Ship for example.
>pic not related.
>>44649276
Nope. It doesn't even get anywhere quickly.
>>44649688
Yep.
Also pic unrelated btw, those are Xeele nightfighters.
Blame! is set on a mega structure so vast it extends out past the orbit of Neptune.
The insane ability for it to merely exist is enough to fuck up the necros.
>>44649858
The Outsider and the Oort cloud-sized prison the Necrons put her in would like a word.
>>44649421
>only prevented from being OP as fuck by it's plot getting in the way
I hate how often this comes up, in every scifi/fantasy. You'd think writers would take five minutes to think of future plot implications of super weapons like time travel or teleportation
>>44649858
Blame! has some Tomorrow War levels of high-tech fuckery. Pistols with ranges measured in millions of kilometers. Individuals moving in relativistic speeds. Cities the size of solar systems. Holy shit.
>>44649918
The Gravity Forge builders would like a word with the Lyrixia architect.
They can pull matter from alternate universes to use as building material. I'm sure they could build their way out of it. Or dismantle it for building material like they did to to the Earth and the Moon and everything else they come in contact with.
>>44649980
>super weapons like time travel or teleportation
They can be a bit hard to envision. What COULD a General do with the elemental forces of the Universe at his command? Telefragging, paradoxing or loop-trapping something is just the start.
>>44649821
Utterly annihilated. Necrons use neutron star matter as munitions for their cannons. They also completely ignore armor and can bypass shielding.
A single Tomb Ship is capable of solo'ing or almost solo'ing a Sector Fleet, which is comprised of hundreds of ships that would all individually beat the shit out of a Super Star Destroyer.
>>44650072
You get in a Xeelee vs. Photino Bird situation.
>985.M41 Conqueror’s Fall
>The Stormlord’s Tomb Ship Inevitable Conqueror comes under attack by a Black Templars fleet whilst en route to the Sautekh coreworld of Davatas. The architect of the assault is none other than Marshal Helbrecht, come searching for a long anticipated revenge upon the warlord who humbled him on Schrödinger VII. A broadside from the battle barge Sigismund strips away the Conqueror’s shields an instant before the Black Templars’ boarding torpedoes strike home and, within moments, the decks of the Inevitable Conqueror are swarming with vengeful Space Marines. Pride compels Imotekh to stand and fight, but his forces are in disarray and so logic wins out, dictating withdrawal. The Stormlord therefore teleports to an escort vessel and makes his escape. Helbrecht is incandescent with fury at this foe’s retreat, but consoles himself by personally setting Imotekh’s beloved flagship on a collision course with a nearby star, and blasting to smithereens those other Necron craft too slow to flee.
>>44650215
Well that puts it into perspective.
>>44649276
Maybe "one of" in the sense of "possibly within the top hundred." But you have shit like the Culture and the Xeelee, which are so horrifyingly powerful that it's practically impossible to compete outside of omnipotence.
>>44650308
O Lord, the days of the CulturexXeelee fights on SpaceBattles.com. Good memories.
>>44650308
And then there's the Time Lords.
>>44650403
So, who won?
>>44650468
xeelee are way more powerful then the culture so I assume them
>>44650468
Depends on relative faggotry levels of the individual threads. Culture has a lot more fanboys who will taut Minds and Effectors as the end-all solution to everything, but the few Xeelee fans out there did make some points about time travel and black holes. There's also the issue of the Culture series being significantly lighter on the physics. A lot of their technology is basically plot magic, so the fans can always just say "it works" and it's impossible to disprove them.
>>44650462
Time Lords require a TARDIS
Johnny and Mrs Tachyon needed only a shopping trolley.
In the end Johnny didn't even need that.
>>44650552
Yeah... no. I'm sorry, but every masturbatory space fantasy has to end somewhere, and that's with the Xeelee. I don't give a shit about how fast Minds can think, I don't give a shit about how Gridfire can destroy planets. The Xeelee are several times older than the universe. They have MASTERED time travel. They can traverse galaxies in an instant, use the fabric of spacetime as construction material, and produce hanguns that can blow up stars. With the scales they operate on, it's quite likely they won't even NOTICE the Culture. Like, at all. Throughout its entire existence. More raw material for the Ring, alognside its galaxy and everything in it.
This is a level of bullshittery where the only way to really have "fights" is by bringing in virtually omnipotent, pan-universal civilizations like Q or the Time Lords. Or the Photino Birds.
Nah there are some crazy powerful ships in modern scifi.
That said Necron ships were a lot more powerful when they still had their FTL drives rather than using the webway or whatever stupid shit the Newcrons do.
>>44650644
They don't just need a TARDIS anon, their minds alone are a weapon.
Remember in the beginning, there were magic and gods. The Time Lords didn't like them. So they killed them all and re-wrote the fabric of the universe to their liking.
How about one of >>44649276 with a full crew appears in the Mass Effect universe? >inb4 "ah yes Necrons".
>>44650657
Yeah... Xeelee only noticed the humans of their universe only when the whole galaxy united against the local garrison.
>>44650851
At what point in time?
Just before or after or during the Reaper War?
Before? Everyone gets raped and the people left are the living servants of their new undead overlords.
The reapers will jump into a meat grinder. They will be fighting the Necrons at their height, an Empire reborn. Immunity to Indoctrination, immunity to fear, weapons like they don't understand, FTL they can't predict, teleportation, immortal warriors.
If it was just one ship and it landed in the midst of the Reaper war it might get taken down if they can ambush it in great numbers. It will take a heavy toll with it.
If after then the same as before but easier.
>>44650961
Reaper weapons are only in the kilotons anon.
There could be thousands, a Tomb Ship would still win.
>>44650468
The trolls.
>>44650733
goddamnit
time lords are fun police?
>>44651076
Yes.
That's one of the reasons the Doctor hated his people. It's also why they hated him.
>>44650733
Daleks must have been pretty powerful if it took the entire Time Lord civilization to stop them (and even that didn't work very well)
>>44650997
Reaper weapons are significantly worse than ones that humanity possessed 50 years ago?
>>44649655
You missed the part where greenfly did this by making self contained habitation spheres filled with flora and fauna rather than actual worlds.
It used everything else in the galaxy to make these. People included.
>>44651135
They believed they were unassailable. By the time they realized they should stop wanking off and actually do something the Darleks had time travel and it was always too late to have done something.
One of my favorite quotes.
In all my travelling throughout the universe, I have battled against evil, against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here. The oldest civilisation: decadent, degenerate, and rotten to the core. Power-mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen — they're still in the nursery compared to us. Ten million years of absolute power. That's what it takes to be really corrupt.
>>44651135
The problem with the Daleks was that the Time Lords didn't consider them a threat. They thought they were just another one of those silly little races poking the Time Lords with sticks.
Suddenly Daleks have time machines and reality destroying weapons, and BAM the Time War starts.
>>44651076
Yes. Time Lords don't fuck around. Remember this is the species that was about to destroy all existence itself- every single universe in the multi-verse, infinity itself, to beat the Daleks once and for all with the Ultimate Sanction.
>>44649276
Not even close to being the best in 40k. Nigger your ship aint even lightspeed.
>>44651187
There were suvivors, I read.
>>44651185
Sci-fi writers can't into numbers.
>>44649276
If you ignore Cosmic level stuff like the Culture, the Time Lords and Xeelee
>>44651185
IIRC, Reapers use streams of liquid metal that have kiloton yields. Mind you it stacks fast because it's a beam, but it's not that useful against a Necron ship that curbstomped shit at Orpheus. The only reason the Necron's don't kill the Imperium is due to a combination of jobbing and the Necrons actually wanting humanity to stay alive.
>>44650140
Actually it was already shown the GE can rival ships of the IOM but please continue to blind yourself in your 40kum.
>>44651208
Dr Who does have some neat names
>Ultimate Sanction
>The Moment
>Skaro Degradations
etc
>>44651208
On the other side, the Doctor has to prevent the end of existence like what, every season or so?
>>44651215
survivors, but the greenfly left nothing resembling human civilisation.
>>44651185
Thing is, it's a beam weapon. It's so and so kilotons PER A PERIOD OF TIME, which the game conveniently leaves out. It's clearly better than what we have today, since it can carve battleships in two like a laser through so much wet tissue paper and make thousand kilometer long, dozens of kilometers deep canyons in planets when it grazes them from twenty million kilometers away. .
>>44649276
No. Only in the frame of reference of 40k is it powerful. One of the biggest fallacies to comparing something across multiple references in the same genre, is that there is no common baseline. You can't tell if a Necron Tomb Ship could adequately take on an Imperial Star Destroyer, or Starship Enterprise, or any of a multitude of ships from science fiction, for the same reason you can't adequately gauge whether or not Smaug could take on Qutezecotl, or Akatosh, or Bahamut, or any reasonably intelligent flying lizard monster. There are simply too many variables, with no common badeline, which is what makes genre arguments like this so stupid.
>>44651215
For a time.
The mind of one at least.
Reaching back in time to try and persuade, convince, threaten, bribe or manipulate humanity in some way from going down the path it went down.
But the thing is that it wasn't until decades or centuries later that they realized that that voice even was some post human plea.
From the point of view of that mind and the society that spawned it the existence of a home world, being one species of flesh creatures, and the entirety of human history as we are now only theoretically existed in some unknowable prehistoric past. It would be like asking us who it was that invented fire. That times about a thousand.
They were billions of years ahead of us and the universe was running out of places to hide in. The chemical make up of the observable universe had been altered to the point that it was now theoretically impossible for any life to ever evolve ever again.
At the end of the last book we see the first stars to get poisoned.
>>44651271
No they can't. Star Wars ships have megaton yields as what we've seen in The Clone Wars show (3d). Imperial ships meanwhile have hundreds of gigatons to teratons when it comes to firepower yields. Necrons are esoteric given that they use beam weapons that ignore armor completely by dissolving whatever they hit and neutron star matter to crumple enemies with sheer gravity force.
Then there's other shit, like Necrons solidifying time.
>>44651359
No, more often then not it's -just- our universe or our timestream. For comparison, not even the Daleks went as far as to annihilate infinity itself and end literally everything. The Time Lords became worse than the Daleks in the end, the true monsters.
>>44651493
what does it taste like?
>>44651525
Possibly similar to C'tan
>>44651525
Your tears? Delicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oblLwxbtP_4
Star Wars is well in the megaton range. We only see the super-duper firepower coming from the Death Star or Starkiller Base. Otherwise there's no sign of double digit gigaton fireballs anywhere. The ICS was retconned with the rest of the EU.
Just wait until Supreme Commander gets a space spin off. Then it'll be up there with the Culture in terms of powerwanking autism fights and it'll be among the last words in them
>>44649715
If it got loaded up with the Celestial Orrery it could destroy the universe. Yes, Necrons can travel through time, slow it down and can teleport short or unfathomable distances. And they have the tech to become incorporeal, so yeah, they could survive the universe exploding.
>>44649918
Wow. "Her"? Source?
I take it that's post retcron? (although it doesn't even matter if I think about it)
>>44655023
I recall hearing something about feminine pronouns being used for the Outsider in a foreign language version of the Oldcron codex, but in English the C'tan have always been either genderless or male.
>>44649980
Fun fact: Dante in DMC3 after his awakening is strong enough tomake small supernovas with Beowulf
>>44651213
At least when we die we aren't raped and tortured for eternity or turned into war potatoes.
>>44650468
>So, who won?
The posters not involved.
>>44654833
The Celestial Orrery only targets the stars in the Milky Way Galaxy you twit, and we have no evidence to suggest it can be weaponized.
>>44651525
CHIM
>>44654790
You mean Planetary Annihilation: Titans?
>>44656243
Because you are already war potatoes.
>>44649276
No. The Suncrusher is.
>>44651208
I will never accept how the Time War ends in the post-RTD Whoniverse. It's just so full of nonsense. Like,now that Gallifrey is sent back to the Time Lock Rassilon and the High Council don't try to enact the Ultimate Sanction anyway?And the Time War is literally fought with lasers and guys in cheap foam armor? Come on.
>>44658963
Yeah, Moffatt fucked everything up. Even Davies wasn't THAT bad.
>>44657526
That doesn't have space ships beyond transports, does it? I thought everything was orbital only.
>>44660591
He has some brilliant moments, and his ability to create mascots is amazing. But goddamn, all the moral weight is gone.
>>44660618
There are giant Experimental starships when your space fighters and space bombers aren't enough.
>>44660680
>>44660591
>THE CHILDREN
God, that was the worst moment of Moffat-Who ever.
>40K
>science fiction
>not science fantasy
>>44650215
It was just one Tomb Ships with escorts versus a Chapter Fleet.
Not a good example. I think I am going to upload some Necron fleet action
>>44660761
>>44660793
>>44660807
>>44660822
>>44660835
>>44656373
It can be weaponized.
It's just that the Royal Court of Thanatos don't want to use it as a weapon.
>>44658963
>>44660591
>>44660710
>>44660680
my ex fucking loved doctor who and got me to watch it, and i guess my capacity for critical thought was somehow blinded by hormones, but i really enjoyed all the current doctor who stuff
then after we broke up i gave it another watch and realized how sub-par it is
>>44660680
The only good thing Moffat did was his changes to the Cybermen, like Nightmare in Silver turning the Cybermen into a SUPER SERIOUS THREAT, which makes sense with the EU. The Cybermen become powerful, rivaling the Daleks if not even surpassing them- but they redeem themselves, and that is why the Doctor never purges the Cyberiad. In the distant future, the Cybermen ascend, becoming disembodied consciousness with god-like powers who renounce their old ways and dedicate themselves to peace.
All that blood, all that death, in the end leads to something wonderful.
Downstreamers were here.
Everyone in this thread is fags.
You can have your little tiff, just don't break anything important.
>>44660924
Nah, it's more like on the first watch it's really fun, on the second watch it's okay, then as you go back you notice plot holes and really weak writing in some of the bad episodes. Like Love and Monsters.
>>44660793
>>44660807
>>44660822
>>44660835
>>44660848
Boy, the minotaurs are obnoxious prats.
>>44660848
How come FW is so good at writing fluff while GW sucks at it?
>>44660618
>>44660702
Doesn't the Titans expansion include space warships?
>>44649276
Nah. 40k is actually very, very, very low key compared to some of the settings out there.
A culture ship could kill everything in 40k combined for example.
>>44651493
"Teraton yields"
And yet EoM ships are literally made of steel. (As several Feudal Worlds are tithed for resources to their orbital shipyards) This is impossible to quantify, they would be completely obliterated by single macrocannon hits.
>>44660848
Could there BE more pretentious writing?
>>44662486
What DO you mean?
>>44662417
No they aren't. Imperium ships are made out of a combination of plasteel, adamantium, ceramite, and some other unknown alloys. Not that 40k runs on logic either, hence how Tyranids and Space Marines break thermodynamics completely.
>>44662502
Overuse of adjectives, I'd imagine.
>>44662502
Shit like "The lethal energy field that enwrapped it churning soundlessly in the now airless vault" is painful to read.
It's pretty much, "He hit him with a powerfist, in vaccuum." slammed into a thesaurus within the LHC.
>>44651213
Necron tech bends reality so much,they actually move at FTL levels
But without the Warp fuckery involved
>>44662723
Not since the new codex they don't.
>>44662820
So they no longer can move FTL?
Does this makes them tau level slow?
>>44662900
They use the webway.
>>44662938
If we calculate the World Engine route across the Vidar sector or Anrakyr's fleet speeds in Shield of Baal, it's clear that they have FTL.
>>44662417
Can you cite any of your sources?
>>44650215
But Tomb Ships don't have shields. No Necron ships do.
>>44658889
>The Suncrusher
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>>44663007
The webway is FTL, they don't bend reality with their tech they just plow straight through the Eldar's FTL system..
>>44658889
Not even close.
>>44658889
>Spaceship with capabilities significantly worse than a single Xeelee fighter
>This thread
Well, Doctor is now shit, this power creep makes it unawatchable for me.
>>44662417
because imperium mostly use void shield to tank most thing even adamantium hull cant tank more than a few mins without shield
>>44651193
Trial of a Time-Lord.
Poor Colin. He really wanted to be one of the best doctors. But the Directors wanted to fuck with the show.
>>44657526
>>44660618
>>44660702
>planetary annihilation
I wish that game was good
>>44663062
Oldcron ships didn't, Newcron ships evidently do.
>>44666467
Gained shields, lost their FTL drives. Which ones were better?
>>44666542
>Dodging versus blocking
Hmmm, tough choice.
>>44650657
>and that's with the Xeelee
Actually ends with Downstreamers, but Xeelee are an acceptable second place.
>>44662552
Maybe you should read this book first
>>44667523
Finding bloated, adjective-bombarded sentences unsightly isn't a mark of illiteracy. Quite the opposite, actually. Any idiot with a keyboard and a thesaurus can shit out a big mass of purple. The mark of a good writer is being able to say much with little, and express complicated ideas with simple words.
>>44650468
>>44650552
>>44650657
Time travel is a trump card to the Culture full stop. I think the issue with the Culture vs. Xeelee fights is that Culture ships are a lot faster in terms of reactions, IIRC.
>>44667661
Is it still an issue if the Xeelee know about Minds aeons before they were first invented, and have made sure to kill anyone who might be involved in inventing them long before that (and compress their galaxy into some bricks while they're at it)?
It's always been too late to stop an enemy that controls time.
>>44649821
Star Destroyer gets wrecked, heck 10 star destroyers get wrecked
>>44667697
That is why I said at the start of my post "Time travel is a trump card to the Culture full stop."
>>44649276
>Is a Necron Tomb Ship one of the most powerful spaceships in modern science fiction?
Necrons Tomb Ships are ridiculous, but they're not the Culture.
I'm pretty sure that thing Galactus cruises around in would fare pretty well considering it was made by a god older than the universe and is as large as a solar system.
>>44651343
The Would be King and his army of Never weres
>>44651343
>>44667878
Don't forget the Nightmare Child. (whatever the fuck it is)
>>44667622
No, the mark of a good writer is skating the line between prose and description. It's easy to convey a complicated scene with simple sentences, but it's boring.
Somewhere between 'churning soundlessly in an empty vault' and 'it made no sound bcuz space' is a good piece of writing and its not at either extreme.
>>44663186
They probably have a giant doleman gate somewhere. They do have true ftl and non webway or warp teleportation, but they don't really seem to use it for huge things.
>>44661221
That sounds fucking awful
>>44667846
That was actually just an incubator but Galactus woke up too early. Black Panther fixed it and now Galactus flies around regenerating dead worlds rather than consuming life. Happened just last month!
>>44667933
>doctor who
>awful
Yeah, that sounds about right.
>>44667944
I'm pretty sure it'd still win.
>cross-setting comparisons
For what purpose? I mean, Power-man can take anything anyway, and he doesn't need any ship to do it.
>>44666581
Newcrons ships can dodge and block.
Newcrons ships can acculturate to near-light speeds in an instant.
>>44668033
And Newcron ships can get captured by Space Marines and driven by them into suns.
>>44668069
Isn't it fun when the writers completely disregard in-'verse logic because the Space Marines need to go do some cool shit in case we forget who they are?
I mean, the Black Templars spearheaded a successful assault against a giant psychic robot that had control of thirteen hundred systems simultaneously in the new AdMech Codex. Apparently god-beings are allergic to Boltguns or something.
>>44668069
Shit happen.
Oldcrons didn't have much lore so you didn't see much stuff like this. However, Newcron fluff has stuff such as a handful of Newcron ships devastating a sector fleet royally.
Or a Newcron fleet laying waste to a huge Eldar fleet many times its size.
>>44668069
>And Newcron ships can get captured by Space Marines and driven by them into suns.
If a ship can be steered via crude physical means - it's possible. Orks could similarly capture an Imperial shit and send it into a sun by crudely overtaking maneuvering jets.
>>44668137
>Black Templars spearheaded a successful assault against a giant psychic robot that had control of thirteen hundred systems simultaneously in the new AdMech Codex
And that was a blatant reference to Foundation series. You gonna diss Ol' Master Asimov? His protagonists weren't even space marines and they pulled it off.
>>44668421
>If a ship can be steered via crude physical means - it's possible.
Well, whatever the method, Helbrecht "personally" did it.
>Orks could similarly capture an Imperial shit
Why would they need to when they have plenty of their own?
>>44667661
It's impossible.
Xeelee had their first civilizations rise and fall in the first seconds of the universe.
>>44660761
I notice apparently a single battle barge was able to strip the tomb ship's shields with a single broadside, so apparently they're not all that tough (at least not in that writer's hands).
>>44649858
Fuck man, totally forgot about Blame! Gunny was the shit.
>>44651208
>the Time Lords didn't consider them a threat.
I thought the Time Lords dispatched the Doctor to eliminate the Daleks from the time line... and he decided not to.
