40k newbie here, why don't any of the races just leave the galaxy and find a new one to fuck up?
>>44557402
Tyranids did, orcs too, probably.
>>44557402
Orks have never mastered space travel. Besides there is too much good fighting going on the galaxy to leave it.
Eldar will not leave their legacy and a galaxy that rightfully belongs to them behind.
Humans are the dominant force in the galaxy. Why leave that position of power?
Necrons are the same as the Eldar. This galaxy belongs to them by right, and, by gauss and blood, they will take it back.
The Tau just started to get to know the galaxy.
Chaos is a multidimensional and multiversal force. Wherever life exists, Chaos will find it.
orks have, eldar and necrons (now) use the webway which only exists in the milky way, the imperium probably has some belief about going too far from the emperor and they wouldn't spare the resources anyway, tau are too small, daemons have no reason to and tyranids obviously do regularly.
>>44557493
>>44557493
>orks have
There is zero proof that Orks have left the galaxy. Fucking Orkfags are at it again with their lying.
>>44557402
Do you know just how far apart galaxies are, you moron?
>>44557614
This is a universe where people can blow shit up with their minds, and one of the races came from another galaxy already, it's not that much of a stretch ya dickhead
>>44557402
The only race that has left the Galaxy is the Necrons. And the only race that came from outside/could leave again is the tyranids.
Why is this?
They travel in real space at FTL speeds.
No other races can do this. Not the Orks, no matter how hard they WHAAG. Not the Eldar no matter how much they 'muh lost empire' and nor can the imperium or chaos no matter how hard they pray to their gods.
Why?
The warp. The warp is why. The reason a Warp Drive works is because it travels through the warp like an ocean. It follows currents and tides. Navigators avoid warp eddies and squalls.
The warp only extends to the edge of the Galaxy. At the edges, warp travel becomes nigh impossible (see: macharius crusade, Lords/Gods of Mars, etc) because the warp ceases to exist.
While the Immaterium exists outside the Galaxy, it is important to note that the immaterium and the warp are not the same thing. The immaterium is the natural state. Is is the raw psychic sea which exists next to our own dimension. The warp is the corruption of the immaterium after it was churned up by the war in heaven and perpetuated by the constant strife and misuse of psychic powers by mortals since then.
Warp Drives only work because he'll has currents. Around the Galaxy is a doldrum which you can't move through.
And before you morons try to use that one single example of maybe Orks existing outside the Galaxy because the mechanicus sent a probe out into the halp region. Remember that the next sentence describes the regions massive gravity storms which reflect signals back into the Galaxy. And that at 99.99999999% the speed of light, it would take about 3 million years to get to the closest Galaxy (andromeda).
And since Orks have never ever once demonstrated to move at 99.99999999% the speed of light. We can assume that if they did leave the Galaxy (possible) that they are still enroute and very bored.
As for Necron's and Tyranids? Phase drive and gravity wormhole manipulation.
>>44557642
It kind of is if you have any idea of how FTL travel works in 40k. There's a reason the Great Crusade didn't extend past the galactic rim. There's a reason Macharius had to stop his golden crusade. There's a reason the Astronomicon must stay lit.
>>44557642
With that kind of reductio ad absurdum idiot logic why the fuck even ask the question to begin with?
>>44557643
Thanks!
>>44557552
Are you the same guy that sperged right the fuck out over a Sisters thread a while back?
>>44557552
They can do really anything plus calm down faggoo
>>44557840
No.
>>44557840
They can't. For example, they cannot master space travel, wanker.
I'm also a newbie and only looked into the actual 40k lore because my friend said all my modern characters/settings look like "Death Korps of Krieg"
Then I brought regicide on steam and now im disinterested.
Help?
>>44557840
See.
>>44557643
>>44557787
No problem.
>>44557643
It is the 51st millenium... the Milky Way Galaxy has plummeted into a dark state of perpetual war between the Necrons and the ever numerous Tyranids who arrive from outside the galaxy's edge.As well as a few orks here and there.
Between our galaxy, and Andromeda, there lies a single space hulk, roughly the size of a small moon, many pieces appearing to have been grafted on mid-travel. Upon its surface, countless Orks have establish camps and bases. Towering examples of DAKKA and CHOPPA. Countless Orks and Warbosses wage endless war within and without the space hulk on its way to the Andromeda galaxy, the Orks upon it growing more CLEVER and more BRUTAL the longer it drifts. Soon, it crash lands upon a hapless world in the Andromeda galaxy, its noblebright denizens approaching it in captivated awe, only to be drowned in an endless tide of green and DAKKA.
In the farther, grimmer, darker future of the noblebright Andromeda galaxy... there is only WAAAAGH!!!
>>44557500
All of these points are wrong you fucking idiot.
The long and short of it is that all FTL travel in 40k is warp based or webway based.
The webway can only connect to already built webwaygates.
The warp though was created by the psychic forces of the beings the lived in our galaxy and as sentient life has formed has gotten more unstable ect ect.
The thing about that though is that the warp literally ends, full stop, at the furthest rings of our galaxy. So while other galaxies presumably would have their own version of the warp the only way to actually get to them would require traveling through realspace meaning at sublight speeds. It would take an uncountable number of generations to travel that far, and creating a fully self sustaining starship to make the journey is also far beyond any race save the necrons and they actively have no reason to do so, besides in the new fuluff the silent king already did dick around by flying around to other galaxies and shit and came back cause it was all shit.
The only race that could make the journey is tyranids and guess what? THEY ALREADY FUCKING DID
>>44558040
>The thing about that though is that the warp literally ends, full stop, at the furthest rings of our galaxy. So while other galaxies presumably would have their own version of the warp the only way to actually get to them would require traveling through realspace meaning at sublight speeds. It would take an uncountable number of generations to travel that far, and creating a fully self sustaining starship to make the journey is also far beyond any race save the necrons and they actively have no reason to do so, besides in the new fuluff the silent king already did dick around by flying around to other galaxies and shit and came back cause it was all shit.
Wrong, you bloody moron.
The fact the the Tyranid Hivemind can function in the void between galaxies means there is Warp in there. Travelling through it might be dangerous and slower but it can be done.
>>44558091
>The fact the the Tyranid Hivemind can function in the void between galaxies means there is Warp in there.
holy fuck are you retarded or do you not actually know anything about 40k lore? Tyranid psychic bullshittery has nothing to do with the warp and actually blacks out parts of it when they are in great enough numbers. Seriously just kill yourself senpai
>>44558187
>tyranid pychic powers have nothing to do with the warp
this is wrong. if what you claim was true, then there would be no reason they black out the warp.
the hive mind just generates enough psychic chatter, that it's essentially filled with psychic static that renders all psychic communication impossible.
the chief librarian of the ultras even managed to tap into the hive mind, which all but confirms that it's warp based.
>why don't anyone leave the galaxy
because galaxies are so far apart that the time to it would take to travel to the closest to them makes it futile.
only the tyranids managed to take that journey, but they are essentially a swarm of bugs that breed and eat and breed and eat - and even they probably spent most of it in hibernation.
>orks never left the galaxy
they most likely have
most likely by accident
most likely they'll never get anywhere though, so whatever
>>44557939
Funny shit man. Good stuff
>>44557402
Because they expect everyone else to get the fuck out, they were here first.
Fuck. So much butthurt in this thread.
you know what is a distinct possibility? That the Hive Fleets have already eaten everything around this galaxy, we are the last bastion of non-Tyranid life.
>>44558326
>this thread
>>44558187
>Tyranid psychic bullshittery has nothing to do with the warp and actually blacks out parts of it when they are in great enough numbers.
You idiot.
The Hivemind is warp based and have interacted with Warp based entities like the Chaos Gods and the Emperor. Slaanesh slapped the Hivemind aside to drink Eldar souls in Valedor and the Emperor scared it away with the light of the Golden Throne.
That's all besides the fact that the Hivemind draws so much energy from THE WARP and causes so much traffic IN THE WARP, that it makes it nearly impossible for non-tyranid psykers to tap into the Warp.
Also Necron anti-warp technologies, which strengthens the walls of reality, wreak havoc of the Hivemind.
Because if folks had even that much common sense, half the conflict would stop because they could come to a reasonable compromise. Hell, with the way new Necrons work, they might team up with the Eldar, Imperium, and Tau to cleanse the galaxy of the other major factions, then acquire non-genocidal means of transplanting their minds into fleshy bodies, and maybe, just maybe, stop their "get off my lawn" attitude towards everyone else. They could even give pylons to the eldar, so they can go back to their orgies without fucking another god into existence. Or maybe the pylon would calm them down, I don't know.
>>44557642
this
>>44557899
A common mistake people often make is that they try to play the games, don't.
No Faggit
>>44558326
/tg/ does tend to get butthurt when newfags and retards act like idiots.
>>44558040
Idiot. That stupid explanation is rubbish.
>>44557899
That's because you are playing a version of chess, not 40k.
If you want 40k vidya, go play Dawn of War with all expansions and the Ultimate Apocalypse mod.
You should also just read through a lot of stuff on the Lexicanum.
If reading is too boring for you, watch 'the vaults of terra' on youtube. That guy explains almost anything 40k on a rough basis and has just begun explaining the Horus Heresy.
Maybe those gargantuan Tyranid fleets not yet reached our galaxy are so large and numerous and teeming with life that they create their own warp currents in the immaterium, and thus can travel in the void between Galaxies. Like driving on a road you're paving yourself, an inch at a time.
>>44557643
>The warp only extends to the edge of the Galaxy
No. It just becomes very calm and empty without emotional things churning it up.
>>44558525
Imperium views itself as the rightful heir to the galaxy. They know from experience that Xenos can't be trusted. And if they achieve their psychic evolution and get into the Webway they will pretty much weaken Chaos to a non threat. Maybe the Emperor reborn can even destroy it.
Eldar have only temporarily lost control of the galaxy and want it back. They view themselves superior to everyone else and think only they can be trusted to live without empowering Chaos, now that they learned from their mistakes. With Ynnead and their rebirth powers back, they can weaken Chaos to a non threat.
Necrons mostly just want to rule specific species while getting their bodies back. As it once has been. Their technology allows them to weaken Chaos, maybe even destroy it. They are also huge assholes, going to war against the Old Ones just because they were butthurt.
Tau are an upstart race that want to claim the galaxy as their own, delegating everyone else to second class citizens in everything but name. They also have no way of dealing with Chaos.
So all 4 of them think themselves superior to everybody else and won't bow to anyone else. Eldar and Imperium and maybe a few Necrons want to genocide everyone else, because that's the safest way for them to survive. Besides, Tau are too weak and small to bring anything to the table, so there is really no reason for anyone to ally themselves with them. There is no way something like that is possible.
>pic related
>>44558508
That is because the IMMATERIUM exists outside of the Galaxy.
The warp is corrupted immaterial space.
Warp=immaterium
Immaterium=/=warp
>>44565066
The fluff in the books makes no distinction between the Warp and the Immaterium, anon.
If you have a source that does, provide it.
>>44565340
I think you're right. But we can still all agree that the warp is calm beyond the Galaxy and the violent churned up bit that is required for warp travel is limited to the Galaxy.
>>44557402
Races don't have the tech, Necrons silent king has left the galaxy and floated around the void for a bit but hasn't reached another galaxy
Most likely most races cant make the trip (except nids)
>>44557402
>40k "lore"
>making any sense
>>44558508
The hivemind doesn't seem to be a physical presence in the warp like others though, it interacts weirdly with the warp
>>44569388
>Necrons silent king has left the galaxy and floated around the void for a bit but hasn't reached another galaxy
And it's a good thing he had 60 million years to do it too.
>As a race bereft of psykers, the Necrons are incapable of Warp travel, and without access to the webway, they would be forced to rely once more on slow-voyaging stasis-ships, dooming them to isolation.
Fukken aliens should leave.
Hopefully they will all die in the endless void.
>>44557402
We were here before you mon-keigh, now fuck off.
>>44557402
I have questions too!
1)If the Emperor dies, is he dead for good?
2)Who is the best Primarch? Are any lost primarchs, like, babys that werent recovered?
3)Are there girl primarchs?
4) Whats up with Orks? Can they fuck chaos if they band together?
>>44570359
1) No one's sure, and there are theories for just about every possibility from humanity going extinct to the Emperor being reborn, to Chaos getting destroyed forever, etc.
2) Horus, beck when he existed.
3) Not officially, but Living Saints of the Sisters of Battle fill basically the same niche, and look just as sexy.
4) Orks can fuck everything in the milky way if they band together. But they never will.
>>44570453
Thanks!
>>44558187
Haven't several psykers been able to fuck with the hive mind synapse before though? That pretty much means it's warp based
So I feel like there's two different schools of thought on this, and that basically boils down to an argument over whether the warp exists outside our galaxy or not. In my opinion, I feel like it very well could, it would just be very calm, which is ideal for space travel, but there's a very big but.
What with the war in heaven fucking up the warp and basically turning it into an ass blasted maelstrom, the walls between the warp and reality have worn thin, which allow daemons and shit to leak out, and psychic presences and ships to sneak in. It might be assumed that outside the galaxy, where the war never touched, the warp hasn't been disturbed, so reality might hold more sway, and the warp harder to slip into and out of. Therefore, if a ship dipped into the warp in our galaxy, flipped the finger at the light of the emperor, and went on its merry way, it might find that it couldn't resurface because the navigators couldn't force their way into reality again. And if they're beyond any psychic beacon, they're basically doomed to wander in a becalmed warp forever.
If, however, it doesn't exist because there's no life and therefore no psychic presence outside our galaxy, then you're shit out of luck. Unless you're the tyranids or the Necrons, the tyranids because as I recall their space travel relies on weird gravity bending bullshit and the Necrons because they probably have a way to overcome that obstacle.
I'm not saying this is fact, I'm saying this just makes the most sense to me
>>44567556
>You idiot!
>You moron!
>You shitter!
>You retard!
>You cunt!
>Hey, let's all agree to disagree and engage in a civil discussion.
This was a fun read.
>>44557402
The galaxy is literally so huge there's no point. There are entire xenos empire inside of Imperial space, in between imperial systems.
If someone wanted to fuck off they'd just choose some backwater world which nobody cares about instead of boating out billions of lightyears.
>>44570359
>1)If the Emperor dies, is he dead for good?
If he dies every human becomes a portal to hell and daemons bring on the end of everything. Or he might come back to life and start up a new Great Crusade.
>2)Who is the best Primarch? Are any lost primarchs, like, babys that werent recovered?
Horus was the best but the second best has a better chance of coming back to life.
>3)Are there girl primarchs?
No.
>4) Whats up with Orks? Can they fuck chaos if they band together?
If the Orks truly united they would crush everything in a WAAAAGGGHHH to end all WAAAGGGHHHs.
>>44567556
The Warp and the galaxy aren't the same plane. I'm pretty sure the Warp overlaps everywhere, including intergalactic space, even though in the Materium, intergalactic space is completely calm.
This is the entire basis of Warp travel. The two dimensions don't line up.
>>44570359
1) depends who you ask. Some believe he'll be reborn.
2) Horus I guess but he's dead. The only lost primarchs are presumed dead. And there are only 2.
3) You are aware the word 'primarch' implies male right? All the primarchs, and all space marines are male.
4) Yes. But Orks would never be able to band together like that unless an individual as powerful as the emperor led a WAAAAGGGGHHH to end all WAAAAAGGGGGHHH's.
I have to imagine that there's some other galaxy where the immaterium formed something far different and more interesting than the warp. Of course that wouldn't be one the local tyranids got to so who knows how far it would be.
Another newb. What exactly ended up happening with the Fire Hawks/ Legion Of the Damned? Did they reveal why they got lost in the warp?
>>44557552
except that in the 3rd and 5th ed ork codex it talks about the eldar everywhere they went the common theme was orks, no matter how far they travelled. And it even says in the tyranid book that the only single force that could ever stand up to the full might of the hive mind is the orks, if in some impossible miracle happened and they allll banded together specifically to fight them.
>>44574415
Niggers
>>44557642
They can't use FTL outside of the galaxy though
Do you even Warp bro?
>>44560128
That's called the Immaterium, ya shit
>>44574621
The reason why warp travel can't be used outside the galaxy is that the astronomican isn't a strong enough beacon for that.
I am pretty sure that it is technically possible to enter and exit the immaterium outside the galaxy, because humans started using the warp drive before Slaanesh was born. The birth of Slaanesh is what caused everything to go to hell in the warp in the first place.
Also, the old ones had to have been able to enter the immaterium in order to create the webway itself and it should have been pretty damn calm before they began fighting against the necrons.
>>44574740
No, the Immaterium is just another name for the Warp, ya dingaling.
>>44575615
The warp is the specific Immaterium in the milky way that got fucked up and corrupted.
I don't know shit and even I know more than you.
>>44574455
You seem to be a bit mixed up there m8.
>except that in the 3rd and 5th ed ork codex it talks about the eldar everywhere they went the common theme was orks, no matter how far they travelled.
First off, the previous codex was 4th edition, not 5th, and the "Orks everywhere, goddamn" fluff (pic related) is from the perspective of humans, in this codex and the other ones in which it turned up. Not that it really matters since the Eldar haven't made much extragalactic progress either; even Lugganath's plan to leave the galaxy just means relocating to the webway.
I think the 3rd edition codex was actually the only one to skip the "Wherever humans may travel/have travelled" line, although it did have this:
>Orks are the most widespread and warlike race of aliens in the bloodstained galaxy of the 41st millennium. From the depths of the core to the distant ghost stars beyond the galactic rim burgeoning Ork empires rise and fall. In terms of sheer numbers and planets Orks occupy more of the galaxy than any other single race and were they unified they would soon crush all opposition.
>And it even says in the tyranid book that the only single force that could ever stand up to the full might of the hive mind is the orks, if in some impossible miracle happened and they allll banded together specifically to fight them.
Kryptman decided to lure Leviathan towards Octarius after observing battles between Tyranids and Orks, but I don't recall that being said specifically with regard to the nids. However, it has been stated in too many sources to name that united Orks would beat everything - the above quote is only one example.
>>44557402
Do you have any idea how fucking big the distance between galaxies are?
I mean really, do you?
