About to play my first game in a week or so and wanting to start out small. How would this list work out for a beginner?

Points: 15/15
The Butcher of Khardov (*6pts)
* Spriggan (10pts)
* War dog (1pts)
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts)
* Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard (2pts)
* 2 Winter Guard Infantry Rocketeers (2pts)

>>44532210
Look legit. I mean, I don't play Khador, but I know cracking Spriggan in 15pts game would be pain in the ass.

>>44532210
looks fine to me, although it may be worth it to drop the infantry for another jack, or try to get kovnik joe in there.

>>44532444
Shit, I originally had him in there. Maybe I'm a dumbass, but I'm not seeing the difference between that list and this one other than Joe, what's the discrepancy?

Points: 15/15
The Butcher of Khardov (*6pts)
* Spriggan (10pts)
* War dog (1pts)
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts)
* Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard (2pts)
* 2 Winter Guard Infantry Rocketeers (2pts)
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich (2pts)

>>44532743
I dig it, man. Have fun.

Just played a game where my friends ghetorax was just barely with in charge range and 2 shot my mauler. 1.3 centimeters back and it would have been a different game.

>>44532743
Well as long as you're not going over points, there's no reason not to take him. He'll give your infantry staying power with tough and fearless and the bonus to hit isnt bad either.

>>44532847
>1.3 centimeters back and it would have been a different game.
Estimating the ranges corectly is key part of gitting gud.
Just remember that you can check you Control distance at any time and what's size of each base. Everything else can be somehow guesstimated based on those. Perfection comes with practice.

Are flamebringers GOAT with ToM?
>fast as fuck to abuse incorporeal
>solid defence stats to combine with ashen veil
>good revive targets

>>44533104
>No reason not to take it

Warmachine Lesson 1.

Good to see some discussion. The rumblings of an errata have stoked the fires in my local area and the coal engine has begun to turniver again! Everyone is more hype for change than hobos in front of a liqour store.

I can finally say live gaem

>>44536458
hits like pussies though. Vengers would do better for reviving

Hey /wmg/, design a reasonable Llaelese heavy.

>>44537537
Vanguard with -1 def + 1 arm. 6 more boxes +2 str, +1 pow on guisarme.

7pts? lol I dunno. It isn't good, but merc jacks really never were

>>44537832
I'd put a better gun on it, maybe get rid of the shield.

>>44537865
Honestly we don't know what Llaelese design philosophy was beyond the vanguard. At no point in any of the fluff does Khador record instances of Llaellese jack force resisting them and Llaelese military itself just crumpled into oblivion because nobles never invested heavily into military.

Honestly speaking, Cygnar's Ironclads with swords and halberds would be my best guess with Llaelese brand jacks and most military actually using nomads and mules. Never in fluff does Ashyln rolls her eyes at having to control a nomad or a mule.

>>44537924
Human merc 'jacks are either Ordic or decommissioned Cygnaran. Before Llael fell, it got most of its military strength from Cygnar, so I have no doubt that Ashlynn and other warcasters from her country are comfortable with Cygnaran hardware. The only exception I think is the Vanguard, and it is supposed to be one of their very few successful designs, built with exacting quality for the specific purpose of shield-guarding.

So really, we could make a Llaelese heavy into anything we wanted, although I would assume it to be a little lighter than even Cygnar's stuff, while still being great in the MAT and RAT department and built to work with warcasters who focus on speed and def.

>>44538042
I figure while the vanguard is mat rat 6, having mat 7 as default for heavies wouldn't surprise me. Llael was a fount of alchemical research, which results in good cortex manufacture ( something khador really wanted)

>>44537537
SPD6, STR11, MAT7, RAT6, DEF13, ARM18

Weapon 1 (P+S 16, Reach)
Weapon 2 (P+S 13, Buckler)

Grid: 4, 5, 6, 6, 5, 4

Side Step, Rapid Strike, 8pts

Might want to increase the POW in the Reach weapon by 1 and make it 9pts. And I just realized that this sounds a lot like a worse but cheaper Molik Karn.

>>44540452
Or slightly modified:

SPD6, STR11, MAT7, RAT6, DEF13, ARM18

Weapon 1 (P+S 16, Reach)
Weapon 2 (RNG10, P14, ROF1)

Grid: 4, 5, 6, 6, 5, 4

Side Step, Rapid Strike, Quick Work, 9pts

Lots of attacks, but sort of pillow-fisted and with terrible ARM.

>>44537537

2 Moderate pow guns mounted on 2 open fists.

Gunfighter and Quick Draw.

Rat 7, Mat 6, Def 14, Arm 17

An exacting and rarely produced before Lhael fell jack designed for it's gunmage officers and warcasters to command. A giant metal gunslinger that moves with grace and unnatural speed when under fire.

Decided to go with something tied to their existing military order.