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This is just getting sad edition
>>44488966
I don't see why it's so bad
It seems pretty nice late game in my opinion
I can't wait to play this in Black White Warriors :^)
>people will never know if I am serious or not
It's ok. Better than the RW at least. None of the new manlands have even approached the usefulness of the old UW or even RG.
>limited player
>this set
>>44489302
Aren't you excited about the probably 5 rares that will only work when you get a mythic rare?
Now you can draft your very own superfriends wow!
>>44489302
Remember!
Drafting will be OotG - OotG - BfZ
>>44489302
But anon, it's ally-color focused set with big huge creatures that everyone loves and has waiting to see for years. Surely there is no example where such a formula for a set had failed to produce a worthwhile set and certainly not in recent memory.
Especially because the gimmick is that there are tons of cards that care about these super rare cards that you'll never have in your deck and thus make half the text in the block irrelevant.
This would be a 60 dollar card if it had flash.
>>44489804
Still very good I think.
>>44489804
>if it had flash.
If it had flash and was rare.
People will still be opening *some* packs, after all.
>>44489186
This card just screams "Please equip me on your EDH Khemba."
>>44489199
>people comparing a attrition card with beatdown cards
It's obviously designed around a different purpose. Too bad it's in the 'kill dudes play big dude' colors.
>>44489804
It makes HBW look like a joke, I like it.
>>44488966
anybody else feel like the spoilers for this set are better than BFZ?
I feel like this set has been better than BFZ overall
>>44490079
Only because most of the good stuff was already spoiled so people had more time to handle the disappointment without all the sycophants raving about how great the piece of shit cards were.
But the story, art and lore directions is still in the shitter.
>>44489909
Might just end up doing that.
>>44490079
>>anybody else feel like the spoilers for this set are better than BFZ?
You are quite literally saying nothing here. Like saying "Getting punched in the face is better than getting punched in the balls.", you are still getting a face full of fist m8.
>>44489804
I'll probably have fun with this in Modern D&T, but I don't know if it'll make UW any better or more fun than flickering all of the Eternal Witnesses to get back Paths and Ghost Quarters.
>>44490211
Goddammit, that flavor text
>>44490243
I honestly think getting punched in the balls is probably better than getting punched in the face
>>44489186
This could work as a substitute for Ghostblade when it rotates in the B/R eldrazi I'm working on.
>>44490243
I really liked the spoilers for Theros
God hype
>>44488966
I feel like this may have been a 3/2 or even a 3/3 and was changed once wizards saw the popularity of shambling vent.
Wizards doesn't really want decent manlands anymore, they're basically too strong.
>>44489804
Scout's Warning for flash
>>44489909
I'll definitely be doing that.
>>44489186
gideon players dicks got so hard at that armor
>>44491714
Dunno... Gideon never seems to stay much time at the table.
>>44491741
kor tribe might be really strong this block. Hell that sfm reprint bullshit could he true
>>44491438
These were completed long before the product was on the shelves. A more accurate statement might be "Wizards doesn't want strong enemy colored manlands."
>>44491830
Yeah, kor might be a good candidade. Or goblins. Hell we got some nice goblins this time around.
>>44489909
Gisa likes it more.
Exponentially multiplying zombies go.
>>44490211
>Most of the good stuf was already spoiled
>Implying BZF or this has anything of fucking value.
This set deserves to be flushed down the toilet.
>>44489909
I like how you think gentleman. Also, happy new year.
>>44489156
It's not the worst of the new manlands. The main problem that people have with them, I suspect, is that they are very underwhelming when compared to the manlands of original Zendikar.
In fact, this return compares very poorly to the original as far as power level goes, and generally I don't think that would be a problem, but Zendikar was a very powerful block that came out in a time when stuff like Ponder and Lightning Bolt were in Standard. So powerful, in fact, that I'd say that powerful cards became somewhat of a trademark for the plane.
>>44488966
Someone here did guess/knew BG manland stats like a week ago, he even said "mark my words".
> 2/2
> Deathtouch
C'mon judges, show us the rest of spoiler pl0x.
>>44493189
Has there ever been a "return" block that was more powerful than the original? I can't think of any.
>MRD --> SOM
>RAV --> RTR
>ZEN --> BFZ
>ISD --> SOI?
>>44493276
What was in RAV that's better than the uncounterable cycle in RTR?
>>44493320
Are you shitting me?
>>44493335
>dredge
>dark confidant
>>44493320
Really?
Helix
DREDGE
Infernal Tutor
Electrolize
Motherfucking D R E D G E
>>44493462
>>44493459
How could I forget bob.
>>44493276
None of those blocks, with the probable exception of Mirrodin, became particularly associated with powerful cards though, and in the case of SOM it would probably have been more of a problem if it had been full of obviously powerful cards as people still remembered Affinity.
>>44493462
>>44493505
To be fair, deathrite shaman is more powerful than any single card on that list.
>>44493988
Bait or stupidity, can't tell which.
>>44489186
warriors bitches.
warriors.
>>44494027
Bait? What's batter on that list than deathrite? I mean you can make arguments for bob, but they're different cards with different roles. Just from a quick look, deathrite sees more play in legacy and is banned in modern, obviously that's not the only metric, but seems pretty telling.
>>44489302
Fuck Wizards for putting in shitty Constructed cards in my Limited environment!Seriously, fuck them!
>>44489804
Brago needs this!!!
OATH OF THE GATEWATCH official spoiler
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/oathofthegatewatch
2015-12-28 ~ The day colors officially died.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/packaging-oath-gatewatch-2015-12-28
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/oath-gatewatch-mechanics-2015-12-28
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/first-time-everything-2015-12-28
>>44488966
That's the most boring thing they could have done with the BG mandland and they did it
Fuck
>>44496719
It's as boring as all the others this block.
>>44496737
I know
I just had my hopes up because I really like BG colors
Any guesses for what UR is gonna be? I'd bet when it does combat damage you can loot
Obligatory
>Magic is dead!
>>44496767
I like BGx, too. I was actually expecting it to be a 1/2 deathtoucher.
I expect RB to be "RB: ~becomes a 1/1 creature with 'whenever this creature deals damage draw a card'."
>>44496973
Fuck, I meant UR.
>>44496973
UR will be a 2/1 flier. literally worse faerie conclave.
>>44494027
Hardly bait, when deathrite shaman is the best one drop in the game. People laso seem to forget Abrupt decay, one of the game's best on the spot removal. RtR also upgraded sweeps and introduced RiP, which is one of the stronger hate cards. Pithing needle, counterflux, slaughter games, dryad militant, ethereal armor are all kind of relevant also, right? right?!
>>44493988
He literally listed one of the most consistently powerful and busted archetypes of all time, which was birthed from RAV. What the fuck are you smoking?
>>44496767
>>44496973
>>44497036
You're all missing the most obvious choice, RU man land will have prowess, no idea on P/T
>>44489186
thats a pretty good card.
>>44489186
Slivers EDH gets ANOTHER fucking card.
>>44496737
Honestly I wish that we just didn't have enemy manlands. They're all so shitty except for possibly the Green/Blue one. I would rather have waited for a set where Wizards had some fucking balls and wasn't too scared to push a card.
>>44497310
Depends, either prowess or loot. Although I'm sure that a lot of people would want a looter.
>>44497287
>He literally listed one of the most consistently powerful and busted archetypes of all time, which was birthed from RAV. What the fuck are you smoking?
I guess coldsnap was just one of the strongest sets in all of magic because it had counterbalance, which has dominated legacy since it was printed, not to mention dark depths.
Oh wait, that's incredibly stupid.
>>44497401
As if Shared Animosity wasn't naughty enough...
>>44488966
Why do decent man lands require more than 3+ mana to activate them.
>Seriously Wizards of the Coast?
>GB receive all the great man lands...
>When is grixis going to get a man land
>Creeping Tar Pit is too slow to count...
>>44497558
>Grixis
>Speed
>>44497577
Grixis Thieves (Vintage) - You can take all the turns via Yawg Will, Time + Key, Time Walk + PW
Grixis Delver (Modern) - Delver into flip, bolt snap bolt, + other damage sources.
>LEARN TO MAGIC ASS HAT
>>44497617
>Delver is Good
>Vintage is worth a damn
>>44490211
That flavor text is like something out of a /v/ thread.
It'll stand proudly next to pic related, I'm sure.
>>44490211
>>44497678
If there's anything the Gatewatch hates, it's the breaking of oaths--especially the oath of the Gatewatch, which the Gatewatch swore at Seagate
>>44497764
If there's anything Modern hates, it's the using of cards--especially the cards of Modern, which the Modern players use.
>>44490211
Christ that is some incredibly bad flavor text.
>>44490211
Hello, fellow Ally. Need a boost?
Return to Ravnica had its moments, but on the whole, City of Guilds had more good cards.
hiss hiss
this is quagmire
>>44497042
...Pithing Needle is from Kamigawa.
>>44498062
oh look, EDH fodder
>>44497495
Still waiting for an Infect Sliver
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-62-24-tix-standard-gb-value-leap
has anyone tried it? I'm going to buy it soon-ish, so I could use some advice.
>>44490211
>"Truly this is the battle for Zendikar."
>>44499993
sounds like a good earmark for jumping the shark
>>44500037
I literally built the full version of this deck for standard this rotation. It plays just like a grindy control deck. You'll struggle to win without Liliana though. I've never lost once after getting her emblem, because Fleshbag Marauder works so well with it that it's just retarded.
>>44500470
you mean liliana, heretical healer or ob nixilis? what is your matchup vs abzan? dromoka's command seems really hard to beat.
>>44500520
Cards that are always a 2 for 1 are always hard to beat. As well as a mainboard 4/4 for 3 that accidentally hoses half of your deck AS WELL AS HAVING AN UPSIDE ON TOP OF THAT.
>New set
>omg different, gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
>Strong set
>omg everyhting is op, mtg dead
>power scaled down set
>omg weak ass bull shit
>multicolor set
>omg fucking money grab set
>set X 2:electric boogaloo
>mtg stale, mtg dead
I'm always glad to see who I assume is the same person, in the top half of the thread pop in to take a quick shit during spoilers, and not actually see how the set plays out.
>>44500529
4c rally is literally raping abzan even though they're running 4x anafenza in main :^)
idk you can just edict her and you'll lose like one or two creature decks anyway. i don't think it's that big deal.
>>44500554
Can't edict her through the Hangarback Wanker.
>>44500548
I really do hate cards with 3+ colors. They lose their identity and rarely, if ever, fully represent their base colors accurately.
I guess without OP dynawhoppin' do it all multicolored cards they wouldn't have any excuse to keep shitting out worthless cards in the weak colors. And don't forget the non-basic land cash grab.
I have a theory that we're returning to two popular sets back to back in the new way of doing things right out of the gate because WotC is tuning down the power level and simplifying things to a stupid degree and as a result are pumping out somewhat interesting things, but mostly trash and need to rely on the power of popular planes to hel smooth out sales while they force this transition.
>>44500625
Definitely. I thought that was a given. Why do you think no one is pumped for Innistrad? We know they're gonna ruin it.
>>44500652
>No Snapcaster Mage or Lilly reprints
>Emrakul trapped inside the moon/Helvault
>Vengeful Rhino
>4/5 vigilance
>1BWR
>When it enters, get a 2/2 zombie token and deal 3 damage to a creature
Better then Jace?
>>44500742
>You may spend mana as though it were mana of an color to cast planeswalker spells
>>44500742
That's a very strong card draw effect for green. The effect is kind of stupid.
>>44500767
i thought it would be a viable green cards to flicker for drawing, considering its only G to cast
>>44500742
This card is an automatic 4 of in every green deck.
>>44500742
Anticipate for a creature land or pw is pretty cool for green
Effect is dumb
>>44500742
green cantrip with an upside
i like the card
what I don't like, however, is the superfriends theme wizards are pushing right now, or the next standard season will be even more expensive than ths one.
>>44500742
Damn, now thats a good card for sealed. Good card for constructed too.
Weird ass card
>>44500742
Weird ass card
>>44500742
i can have surprise narset transcendent in monogreen deck? noice
There's the last manland. Surprisingly, it doesn't loot.
>>44500808
yeah this definitely not what people thought UR would be
>>44500808
Worst UR ability, I honestly don't know why they even bothered to make it.
Oath of Nissa is good- single green cantrip? Into every deck it goes.
UR land is another disappointment. Switching P/T is cute but stupid when you look at the P/T of other manlands. Stirring wildwood activates for less and is a 3/4 with a keyword. If you want to stay current, lumbering falls has the same cost and is a 3/3 with a keyword. A vanilla 4/1 or 1/4 is just bad for a 4-CMC activation.
>>44500808
Legitimately pleasantly surprised at this.
>>44500817
This is just straight shit, the 4 mana activation is just ridiculous.
>>44500742
Why the heck is it legendary? IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
hiss hiss
the quagmire is me
that's the sound i make
hiss
>>44500808
I... think it's okay. Maybe good enough for Modern? I would rather have either a 2/1 first strike flier for 2UR or a 1/1 prowess flier for UR, but that's cool too.
>>44500864
Less devotion to green for Return to Theros ;^)
>>44500875
It's trash though. Won't help any deck in modern, the activation cost is way too high and the stats themselves don't help either.
>>44500742
And thus ends the reign of Creatures: The Tappening. Long live Planeswalkers: The Happening.
>>44497678
found the better version for you
>>44500893
Fucking bendis
>>44489186
Your favourite Coat of Arms now comes in easy-to-assemble parts!
>>44500742
It's good.
>>44500875
>Good enough for modern
KEK
>>44492268
Thinking too small. Put it on an Eldrazi Scion.
>>44500808
This nigga doesn't even have flying
Literally the worst man-land that exists.
>>44489804
I just can't get over the fact that they've turned Ainsley into an MtG creature. I'll never take it seriously now.
>>44489186
sounds like an ally booster to me.
>>44500808
so its a 4/1 or 1/4 depending on what you need it for.
eh? I suppose that's somewhat useful? Its nice to have options.
Or swing, then change things up at the last second if you thought he wasn't gonna block, but he did, or thought he was and still wanted to try anyways, but he didn't.
>>44501954
>Swing thinking he won't block
>He doesn't block
>Decide to switch it up
>Get Bolted
I think its shit desu m8
>>44500808
Is there any card whose effects depend on the number of activated abilities? I'm not very knowledgeable but I have a feeling this might break something.
>>44502032
Good thing you can switch it up again for the absolutely tremedous cost of 0, heh?!
>>44502032
>Respond to bolt by changing it back.
>>44502064
It's the double bluff. Swing, swap if it's not blocked, swap again if they waste burn on it.
>>44500808
Just to put things into perspective: just for 1 more mana, Celestial Colonnade gets a proper 4/4 body without any switcheroos, as well as not one, but two relevant keywords.
>>44502064
>>44502074
You bolt in response to the first switch
But of course you'd know that if you weren't a shit player.
>>44502032
so you switch it again and make him waste a perfectly good bolt he could have used on something better.
>>44502032
You're right but there is a way to protect the thing in combat
Use the ability to turn it into a creature outside of combat, then immediately do his p/t swap so he's 4/1 before combat
Your opponent can respond to the p/t swap with removal but at least you got that out of the way before combat instead of during
And if they don't respond, you can move to combat and swing safely knowing they can't remove it without giving you a chance to swap p/t back
>>44502057
Nothing you couldnt also do with the zendikar manland. theres a 2/4 which gets +1P for each time a elemental activated an ability but thats about it
>>44502081
And you can switch in response. Two times if necessary to obtain the 1/4.
Idiot.
>>44502080
but then you can't make them accidentally waste burn spells trying to kill it.
>>44502101
>Literally being this retarded
Pull this shit and you bet that I'm calling a judge and getting your ass DQ'ed
>>44502101
>>44502085
>>44502076
guys.
You switch to 4/1. Opponents bolt. You switch again.
its a 1/4, it gets 3 damage marked, it switches to 4/1 and oh my god who would have guessed it, it dies.
>>44501843
>>44502101
You're not understanding the situation
They bolt with a switch on the stack
No matter what when all the abilities resolve, you will have 3 damage marked and 1 toughness
>>44502117
Well, desu it's legit. But it's going to die because at some point it's going to be a 4/1 with 3 damage on it.
>>44502101
Yes and then the bolt deals 3 damage to the 1/4 and then the switch trigger that is on the stack resolves and it turns into a 4/1 with 3 damage on it and it dies.
Congrats retard. Get good.
>>44502101
>You activate switch to turn it into 4/1
>In response, before that resolves, I Bolt it
>Bolt resolves, then it switches to a 4/1 and dies because it has 1 toughness and 3 damage
>You activate switch to turn it into 4/1
>In response, before that resolves, I Bolt it
>You activate switch again in response
>It becomes 4/1, Bolt resolves and kills it
You can't save it if it's damaged in response to becoming a 4/1.
>>44502032
>bolted
>switch again
Who are you to call things shit?
>>44502121
so you don't switch it back after he tries to burn.
you do the 1 damage then wait til end of turn when it stops being a creature and damage goes away.
then rinse and repeat the next turn until he either learns to stop trying to burn it or wastes all his burn on a manland.
>>44502194
what? if he burns it in response to you making it a 4/1 it will die
>>44502194
>so you don't switch it back after he tries to burn.
The burn is in responce to the switch trigger, the thing is going to switch like it or not.
Wow this whole "/tg/ is bad at magic" thing really isn't a meme.
>>44502211
>>44502223
You swing as a 1/4 because you think he'll block.
He doesn't, switch to 4/1.
He Bolts.
Switch to 1/4 in response.
takes 3 damage from bolt.
finish attack he didn't block, deal 1 damage.
manland turns back into rock at end of turn, damage goes away.
>>44502194
>switch to 4/1 goes on stack
>bolt goes on stack
>bolt resolves
>switch resolves, creature dies as state based action
Sometimes I remember exactly why Wizards dumbed down Magic.
>>44502194
A creature taking lethal damage is a State Based Action, as in it happens automatically and immediately, not using the stack.
Your manland is a 1/4, you go to switch it, your opponent bolts it, you switch it in response.
Now we go down the stack.
Switch to a 4/1
Bolt
Manland is dead and removed, does not get to switch back
Now as stated earlier some one said switching it twice would work so let's go down the list
Switch to a 4/1
Switch to a 1/4
Bolt, dealing 3 damage
Switch to a 4/1, manland dies
>>44502279
well if he bolts it as a 1/4 obviously you don't switch it.
>>44502270
You're missing something
He doesn't block, you ACTIVATE your pt swap
He RESPONDS with bolt
Before your p/t swap happens, it takes 3 damage, now you're fucked unless you have a stifle because your p/t swap will resolve and kill the land
>>44502270
You are either baiting or you don't know how the stack works. The bolt is IN RESPONSE to the switch, or are you not aware what responses and priority are?
>>44502270
>You swing as a 1/4 because you think he'll block.
>He doesn't, switch to 4/1.
>He Bolts.
This is the part you have wrong. He doesn't bolt AFTER you switch, he bolts WHILE the switch trigger is on the stack. You can't not switch once it's on the stack, so it will always have 1 toughness for some length of time after the bolt resolves.
Now I wish it was a 4/1 by default, just so all this rules retardation could've been avoided.
>>44502327
Would've been a more viable mainland but still shit
>>44502327
It would be much better if it was a 4/1 honestly, then it really would be Boltproof
>>44502346
No, it still would die to bolt.
>>44502270
What kind of moron would you need to be playing against in order for them to try and bolt that card?
>>44502359
Does damage cleanup before or after EOT effects resolve?
>>44500864
That's for dramatic plot reasons, there's only so many times you can swear an Oath to Nissa.
That said, it really doesn't change anything. Just drop another Oath of Nissa, sac the old one because of how the legend's rule works, then benefit from the new one's ETB effect.
>>44502389
Yup. The legendary type is completely irrelevant there, unless you really want to be able to use whichever colors to cast Planeswalkers for some reason.
>>44502415
Wait, no, it's not actually irrelevant since it can feed your graveyard for sweet delve and Den Protector value.
>>44502379
>Killing a land for 1 mana is a bad idea
5-Color Oath/Superfriends deck ahoy!
>>44502383
After
>>44502415
The best way to look at this cycle seems to be as sorceries that go to the battlefield instead of the graveyard.
They do help with constellation, devotion, and everything that worries about counting permanents though.
>>44493988
>DRS more powerful than the archetype to which around 8 of the 15 sideboard cards available in the format with the highest powerlevel are dedicated to stopping in every single deck.
Haha, okay m8.
>>44502536
He said any single card, and he's right
Dredge decks aren't good because of any single card that has the dredge keyword, although life from the loam is amazing
>>44502561
So perhaps he is right, but the point he is making is irrelevant. A single powerful card does not make a set powerful.
>>44502575
Sure
>>44500142
>"Thank you, Jace, that's all I can really say right now."
>>44500808
>>44500817
>combat, swing
>block by 3/3
>switch to 4/1, combat damage on stack, switch back to 1/4 for protection
>kill 3/3 keep 1/4
Pretty solid desu senpai
>>44502715
i thought they closed the "damage on the stack" window so things like mogg fanatic and sakura tribe-elder lost all value?
>>44502715
dude, damage doesnt use the stack anymore since ages
>>44502715
Being this much of a fogy
>>44502715
Stuff like this is why they changed combat damage to not use the stack
>>44502715
Please anon. Don't remind me about damage on the stack
>>44502746
They're still useful cards, you just can't have your cake and eat it anymore. I imagine that's also the reason they were willing to print Aetherling.
>>44502715
Oh God, that was horrible.
Let's not forget the totally awesome finisher, guys. Another strong mythic that folks everywhere will just love opening ;^)
>>44500808
This is strictly worse than turning into a 4/4. I'm usually pretty easygoing on card evaluations, but this is awful. So is the 2/1 double strike. Then again, the one in BFZ (in relevant colours, anyway) saw play, and was actually fine, so these ones might still be usable.
>>44500742
This, on the other hand, is actually a kind of nifty card.
It's a pretty good finisher though. Dies to mass removal, but well, not everybody can be Aetherling.
>>44502980
Damage on the stack was great. Sure, it wasn't intuitive, but it lent itself to some really sick plays and it sure felt good when you got a two-for-one out of your Tribe Elders and four-for-ones out of your Yavimaya Elders.
>>44503116
I like the RW land. I mean, it's no Celestial Colonnade or even a Raging Ravine, but at least it can eat through X/2s.I was hoping the RW Manland had Menace and 'Prevent all noncombat damage'
The UR had looting when it connected
The WB had lifelink AND deathtouch
Needless to say, this cycle of manlands is a utter disappointment. Almost as much as the commands.
>>44503116
Gonna grab a few foils of those for edh. They seem sick
>>44503252
>Needless to say, this cycle of manlands is a utter disappointment. Almost as much as the commands
3/5 of the new commands were modern playable. That's even more than the original command cycle. None of these new manlands are playable in modern or any other format outside standard
>>44489186
goblins
>>44503300
I know Kolaghan's, but what other is seeing play?
>>44503186
I know it was sick. I still miss it man.
>>44503354
Atarka's command in burn. Dromoka's command sees play in zoo and sometimes junk.
>>44500820
This is exactly what I thought UR would be.
>>44503379
yeah atarka burn is probably the best burn imo because while your mana base can fuck you hard you get a lot of redundancy and lateral play with the command as well as other pieces that open up. i personally and building naya/atarka burn right now in modern for funsies
>>44502223
To be fair, this time around I'd say the confusion is justified, this is one of the more complex situations possible in the game.
>>44503685
2-3 triggers/spells on the stack is "one of the more complex situations possible in the game"? Then you must either be playing a different game or have no clue what complex situations actually entail.
>>44503116
>>44503252
RW one might be playable with Awaken.
Better buy your Kozilek's Return guys, they are running out of stock in many stores.
>>44505024
it's not even out you cuckster
>>44502715
Combat hasn't worked like that for about six years. Stay terrible at Magic /tg/.
>>44503379
Atarka's Command should've had artifact destruction imo since it fits the color combination more than dropping an extra land.
>>44505125
> Not knowing about preorders
kek
>>44505177
The command modes in the cycle are color A color A color B color B, not things both colors can do.
>>44505479
Hmm, never thought of it like that.
Eh, still would've been better than dropping an extra land.
>>44500808
>>44500817
At least, give it flying. WotC, did you even try?
>>44505580
Are you seriously saying Atarka's Command should have been stronger?
>>44506171
Yes.
And the +1/+1 pump should have been +2/+2 with Reach and Trample
And it should have had Split Second
ANd it should've costed G/R G/R
>>44506119
>None of the manlands had evasion
They knew how to make them strong, but they just didn't, it's great.
>>44500742
>Green most powerful color now.
>>44500783
I seriously doubt that.
>>44500808
I love this card for grixis delver.
so which of these new cards would you want to fit into the already existing archetypes for draft/sealed?
>>44506963
One super-Sylvan Library makes green strong? Not quite there yet.
>>44506963
Green has been the second most powerful color for a long time.
They need to reprint the original oath cycle
>>44509132
Mirri's guile more like
>>44500742
Seriously?
>We can't print cantrips any more, they're too good and bad for the game
>oh, but a 1 mana anticipate + permanent value is fine if it makes people want more mythic creatures and planeswalkers :^)
Thanks Acquisition Plan. I hope Abzan gets to 50% of the meta soon.
>>44505479
Well, green has lots of artifact destruction just by itself (Naturalize, Acidic Slime, Reclamation Sage, Viridian Corrupter, Creeping Corrosion, Nature's Claim, and many more), and that's just from Modern. It wouldn't be out of place for one of the green abilities to interact with artifacts. They probably didn't because Kolaghan's Command ended up doing that.
>>44505399
They literally have no stock yet is the point.
>>44488966
I wish it was a 2/3, but still not bad. I think this manland in particular is underrated at this point.
>>44514679
Manlands are at their best when they can mop up the game after your hands and draw steps have butted heads. This does a worse job than Colonnade or Tar Pit.
>>44515134
Eh, I like it, but I'm biased toward Deathtouch. Still, getting a 2/2 with DT for 3 is a fantastic rattlesnake in most scenarios. I'll get one for my Pharika EDH for sure. Would be nice to get a promo to go with my Shambling Vents.
Why were ALL of the Worldwake lands so much better???
>>44516768
>Why were ALL of the Worldwake lands so much better???
Lumbering Falls is better than Lavaclaw Reaches.
>>44516941
I dunno, I would prefer having Lavaclaw Reaches in current standard.
>>44517045
But anon, dies to remo- Oh hold on, I forgot we're not allowed even fucking Murder in standard, it has to be sorcery speed because "Muh mythics".
Fuck the acquisition strategy.
>>44517087
You could use "dies to burn" seems to be the "on" thing right now, I mean the RU one dies to bolt right?
>>44500808
FML, them stealing my card ideas again.
>>44517087
But anon, if someone is new to Magic and their creature dies that might make them sad. Then they might not think Magic is fun, spend their money on something else, and Wizards can't milk every last cent out of them with promises of super ultra rare foil lands. Then what is Mark Rosewater supposed to fill his money bin with? His tears? For shame, anon.
>>44517390
>But anon, if someone is new to Magic and their creature dies that might make them sad.
>Not bringing new players into the game with proxy legacy decks
For shame, anon.
>>44489186
equip to a changeling, dump tokens
fling changeling for lulz
>>44517390
I've long stopped blaming Wizards for their decisions.
They know exactly what they're doing. They are appealing to new players who join the game and know that they only stick around for a couple years. That means they don't have to expend that much effort into making interesting cards - they only need to cater to the big flashy craving in the heart of every new player.
It's the veteran players' fault. They don't help new players and they don't call Wizards out on their shit. They just keep paying the idiot tax whereas new players simply quit after a while. There's no real community. In 10 years the same "pros" will still be around as today but the proportion of players who are still playing this game after 10 years will be much much smaller than it is now.
Proxies should have galvanized Wizards to fix their own fucking game. Except for some fucking reason everyone i.e. the veterans, decided to maintain the bullshit that is the secondary market, the source for all the game's problems. I don't have a problem with stores making money, my problem is that all new players just get priced out of the game. Why the fuck would I spend $300 on a Standard deck that will fucking rotate when I could buy a PS4.
You can love people like LSV all you want - he's just as much a marketing tool of Wizards as MaRo is.
>>44517428
I'm trying a new strategy, where you teach the game through some precons, then hand them vintage dredge. This teaches fundamentals, and also advanced shit like sideboarding, timing and stacking triggers
>>44517475
The entire pro tour is marketing. This is not hidden information. It doesn't stop the game from being fun, just find a better format
>>44517620
>just find a better format
No. This is never the fucking answer. Let me tell you what billions of formats is like, it means that the player base cannibalizes itself for players for that format. If there are only 50 players playing the game in a community, it is bullshit that events don't fire because those 50 people are distracted by 5 different formats. A 25-player event is way more fun than a 10-player event.
The price of cards doesn't stop the game from being fun. The price of cards stops the game from fucking FUNCTIONING. It would be fine if people could just adopt a format on a whim, but the retarded price of cards just makes that impossible.
When you have "new craze" formats cannibalizing player attention combined with card pricing forcing players to commit to formats, the game is utterly fucked. I'm not opposed to many different formats, I'm just sick of the idea that it makes it easier to find people to play with.
Draft, Sealed, Standard, EDH, Duel EDH, Modern, Legacy, Pauper - there's too goddamn much.
is this a terrible time to get into mtg again?
>>44510203
that was only one printed in Tempest remastered.
>>44489875
For the expedition lottery?
>>44517681
I for one think that multiple formats isn't quite as bad as you think, both for players and for WotC.
Multiple formats helps players not burn out on the game entirely. If a non-MtG game I like playing has a degenerate metagame or if other people at my LGS aren't as interested in playing it, I'm at risk of putting that game on the backburner or just straight up quitting. Whereas when that happens in Magic, I can just look into other formats, which means WotC still has me as a customer, I don't necessarily have to start over from the absolute beginning WRT my collection, and I'm still working with familiar gameplay and interactions.
>winner of the online designer search
>lead designer of journey into nyx
>now this boring shit
How do you make a set with a functional sixth color and all this character presence this fucking boring?
>>44517798
If you're bored of a format, you pick up a new deck archetype and tackle the same format from a different angle. That way, the community retains you as a player in that format and you don't have to peel away other players from that format therefore making it harder for new players to play that format.
You're playing Standard, you peel off 5 people to play EDH. That's 5 people who may not pay as much attention to Standard, which means 5 less players for new players to play with - in some cases, this actually prevents Standard from running well in both senses of the phrase - events can't run without 8 people and even if there are as low as 15 people playing Standard, it means new players play against the same players frequently and then they get bored of seeing BOTH the same decks or losing to the same players. This is why it is important for experienced players to stick around a format and try new decks instead of being sick of an entire format when there is more than enough variation within a format simply by switching decks and testing new matchups.
I think burning out of a format is a poor excuse. There is no way anybody can burn out of Standard given how often it changes and EDH is just a matter of buying a new deck. And I'm going to mention again the fact that with card prices the way they are it is unreasonable to expect anybody to just pick up a new format. Especially of new players - you start by telling them to play Standard then tell them to buy these 100-card singleton decks for EDH that are utterly worthless in Standard. There's no overlap and they have difficulty getting cards because everyone is stingy with their cards because prices are retarded. And this is my beef with EDH - 100 singletons is completely unreasonable for new players to transition to. And everyone and their mother knows those precons are quickly revealed to be worthless when most players are Tooth and Nailing for bullshit.
>>44517475
>Why the fuck would I spend $300 on a Standard deck that will fucking rotate when I could buy a PS4.
This is what particularly pisses me off about the faster Standard rotations. Faster rotations means one thing - having to spend more money on cards more often to keep up with Standard. The new rotation schedule is what killed any lingering interest I had in the format.
>Proxies should have galvanized Wizards to fix their own fucking game. Except for some fucking reason everyone i.e. the veterans, decided to maintain the bullshit that is the secondary market, the source for all the game's problems.
The secondary market and price manipulation is the biggest fucking number one problem in Magic and Wizards seems content to just let it roll. For Modern/EDH, I just buy high quality proxies of the format money cards now. Like hell I'm going to help perpetuate secondary market price gouging.
>>44517860
Maybe they're saving all the good shit for Innistrad. People are going to buy this set for more full art lands anyways, might as well not even try.
>>44517681
>The price of cards doesn't stop the game from being fun. The price of cards stops the game from fucking FUNCTIONING. It would be fine if people could just adopt a format on a whim, but the retarded price of cards just makes that impossible.
The inability to try out a format without committing hundreds of dollars to a single it on the off chance you'll enjoy it is the single biggest reason Magic has the turnover it does. But Wizards doesn't care. As long as new wallets come in to replace them and the secondary market sellers/hoarders are happy, Wizards don't give two shits.
>>44517693
>is this a terrible time to get into MtG again?
For standard? Yes. Right now standard effectively has greedier mana bases than modern because it lacks key hate cards like Blood Moon to keep greed in check. Color identity of decks has blurred together as people play 4-5 color goodstuff because the manabase readily supports it without missing a beat.
Consequently if you want to compete in standard, your landbase alone is going to command a triple digit pricetag because it needs to be absolutely dripping with fetchlands.
If you want to get into standard, wait until Shadows over Innistraad. The fetchlands will rotate out of standard at that point and take their rainbow degeneracy with them. It will also be an entirely brand new format since essentially all the pre-existing decks will collapse overnight since essentially all of them require fetchlands to operate.
>>44517979
Ownership of a comprehensive mana base (every dual land available) has always put a player back around $300 since Zendikar, which is as long as I can remember. The rotation of the Fetches will just mean the current lands will become expensive as they become the dominant lands.
Shadows will not change anything. Standard will still be whatever it is today, expensive. I don't even play Standard, but I can pull up some lists and see that Origins Liliana is not seeing any play anywhere and yet it still commands a $20+ pricetag.
Commons and Uncommons will never make up the bulk (50%+) of a deck again. Standard decks will always cost $400 or more for the foreseeable future, that is the pattern of the quality of commons and uncommons they're printing right now.
Jund, fucking top-tier JUND was over 50% commons and uncommons, which meant it cost nothing to make and there were substitutes aplenty if you couldn't afford the Rares. Putrid Leech, Sprouting Thrinax. There were 4-5 Rares in the deck: Verdant Catacombs, Maelstrom Pulse, Raging Ravine, and Siege Gang/Broodmate. It was like $100 for all the Rares you needed making the deck cost a total of $150 maybe. RDW was like $100 maybe. Mythic - another deck at the time, put you back somewhere like $600.
It's never getting better.
>>44502715
>damage on the stack
fucking what?
>>44500742
Poder and Preordain were commons.
>>44489186
Would Modern Elves run this? Merfolk?
>>44503186
Mtg was such a great gane back then.
>>44518566
used to be a mechanic in Magic, where shit like >>44502715 happened. Not at kitchen tables, but at tournaments stupid shit like that happened to milk every inch of mileage out of creatures
>>44518566
Damage used to be on the stack, then they changed it so it doesn't use the stack. You can blame Arcbound Ravager for this.
>>44519217
More like mogg fanatic. There was even an article covering it.
On an unrelated note, time fuckery.
>>44519330
That's just brilliant. I'd say he'd be Red-Black though, as he only ever looks out for himself and obeys his emotions (fear).
>>44519519
Sadly, I didn't make the template, I'm just posting it here. Also I had one idea for the card of Vol the Coward, it being that he shuffles himself back into your library if anyone controls a creature with flying.
the point about him being RB fits perfectly though.
> izards fucking ruining the game
> Meanwhile, pic related is getting popular in most LGS i go.Fuck, even my sister and friends are playing it. I guess its time to say good bye to magic
>>44517979
As many anons said, wait for Shadows of Innistrad. Buy Origins Painlands since they are cheap as fuck. Most T1 decks will die after fetch rotation. You better have your manabase ready for the next standard season before they rise in price again.
>>44520129
> Choosing le weeb shit game over mtg.
Fucking shame on you anon. You simply disgust me.
>>44520129
>like watching anime
>read a ton of manga
>this is still a metric fuckton above my powerlevel
I don't even know how an aesthetic can look so fucking weeaboo.
>>44520275
The only thing "weeb" related I watched was Space Dandy and that was because it was on adult swim.
I'm not a fan of japanese anime anymore after leavgin high school, but somehow this tcg works on my LGS because:
> Its cheap (for now because its kind of new in the market)
> Friends play it
> Have similar mechanics from Magic.
I still dont play it (friends showed me how to play) but with how epensive standard it, I might play a season of this weeb tcg and have some fun while waiting for Shadows of Innistrad.
>>44520129
>FoW
>looking weeb
Man, how fucking low does your power level need to be to even think that, like half the art is the same boring "realistic" high-fantasy nonsense mtg peddles you while the other is garbage art like Vlad.
>>44520335
I saw a tournet of this game the other day at my lgs too. What makes this weeb game diferent from yu-gay-oh or cardfight vanfaggot?
Space dandy while it was not as I expected, was cool to watch.
>>44520129
There's YGO, which is weeb tcg, then there's this rubbish. 'LOOK I LIKE ANIMU IM UNIQUE' tier.
>>44520415
What? the FoW being popular in most LGS i go or wizards ruining mtg?
For the first one it is what I see. People playing this fucking game at some LGS i go. They are running FNM like events on par with MtG players for the love of god..
For the second, let me say it in this way. We'll never have things like snapcaster mage back in SoI block because NWO MaRo would never accept it (we probably have snapy back, but as a 5cmc creature like those goblin guys from Oath).
Fuck there is no cheap RDW deck in this standard this season for fucks sake. How they want new players when there is no RDW deck to start playing.
>>44520483
Dunno, I havent played the FoW game (yet), but the art looks better than yugioh.
Some yugioh art seems to be drawn by a 5 y/o children.
>>44520505
Isnt atarka red the new RDW deck?
> Yeh its expensive as fuck.
>>44520505
>wizards ruining mtg?
when haven't they
>>44520536
Silly anon dont you know warriors deck is the new rdw deck?
No seriously, why we dont have cheap burn anymore? I remember newbies played always a rdw deck in each season.
>>44489804
An actual card for UW in cube
>>44502302
>TAPPED 5 LAND FOR 1 DAMAGE
>GIT GUD
>>44507321
>delver
>getting to 5 lands without winning or getting anally buttraped by decent decks
give me whatever you're smoking senpai
Commanderfag here.
Havent played standard since theros but how is that there is no red deck wins anymore?
>>44519283
Mogg Fanatic was a given example but really not the biggest offender, at worse all you do is ping an extra 1 damage with Mogg Fanatic.
Arcbound Ravager was worse in this regard, you could block a whole bunch of shit with a bunch of artifact creatures, then sac them to Ravager while damage was on the stack. Then throw it all on a Triskelion if it's in play and machine gun everything down.
>>44520129
I just can't get past the power/toughness being measured in hundreds. Needlessly big numbers like that look so goddamn ugly.
>>44520505
>We'll never have things like snapcaster mage back in SoI block because NWO MaRo would never accept it
You do know that original Innistrad is part of the NWO era, right?
And yes, the card was designed by an outsider, that doesn't mean that they couldn't adjust it to whatever power level they wanted, like they did with Wrath of Leknif and many others.
>>44520602
>Newbies
>implying it isn't also poorfags like me who pick up RDW
Sorry anon, I don't want to spend $200+ for 4 Jaces like you did.
>>44495119
Can't tell if stupid or just mentally ill.
>>44497526
Counterbalance is A CARD. One busted card does not a good set make.
To reiterate:
D R E D G E.
>>44521203
you have atarka red which has the lulzy swiftspear + become immense + temur battle rage that can usually kill people in one shot, but it's still expensive because you'll need fetches and atarka's command
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11214&d=263704&f=ST
>>44520505
>Snapcaster back in a format with Ojutai's Command
Anon, please. My dick can only get so erect.
>>44521321
The reason for that was that the creators of FoW tried using 40 life and The izards went "On hell no bro" and told them to change it or be sued.
>>44521203
Because Wizards decided that Red shouldn't have any cards in BFZ.
>>44502715
Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8
Made me laugh.
>>44521482
Welp, so no more cheap and eficient RDW in stardard. Well thats weird since everytime i was on standard, there was ALWAYS a RDW (monored burn deck).
Whats next? a 3cmc sorcery 4 damage burn and next turn welp im dead?
>>44505177
Then it's strictly better than Destructive Revelry and frees up sideboard slots in Burn from here to eternity.
>>44517087
>what the fuck is Murderous Cut
>>44521568
nah, rev would still be played since it hits enchantments.
>>44521607
Revelry isn't played because it hits enchantments, anon. It's played because it hits a) artifacts and b) their face.
>>44521634
Nah its due to enchantments. (Leylines, Boggles, etc.)
Otherwise we would just use Smash (your face) to Smithereens
>>44521689
>>44521634
Also used against:
Twin
Merfolk
Any other matches where Enchantments may show up
Really its an excellent card thats worth splashing into for Red, even if you aren't running Atarka's Command.
>>44520415
Have you just never consumed media outside of Animu ? I can't think of any other reason you would think that FoW doesn't look like weeb trash
>>44521863
Nobody is denying FoW doesnt look weeb. It is almost like cardfight vanguard.
However it has similar mechanics as magic.
>>44521407
Dredge is A MECHANIC. One busted mechanic (that wasn't even particularly good in block constructed or in standard before future sight) does not a good set make.
Judging the power-level that wizards was willing to print by pointing to dredge doesn't even make any sense in the first place as the power that dredge had was mostly unintentional (and impossible when it came out save for loam). Countertop in any case is more powerful than all of dredge put together without bazaar of Baghdad (which would be banned in legacy without dredge anyway).
>>44522030
How expensive is FoW? Price would be the only thing holding me back from getting into the game.
>>44522092
Box is like 30 to 40 bucks so seems relatively cheap
>>44522117
Well not a box of course, but an actual competitive deck.
Or are decks already competitive right out of the box?
>>44522129
According to my friend, you can get like 4 competitive decks from a Jeskai black deck (700$+ for 4 good decks).
The rotation works like actual MtG. Blocks are called clusters. They work with the recent 2 clusters.
>>44522187
How often do clusters come out then?
>>44521689
>>44521768
Huh. I need to watch more Modern.
Our meta has no Bogles, Twin's only player never ever casts Twin unless you're tapped out and he's comboing off, and the only other enchantments belong to Enchantress. So, TIL I guess.
>>44522225
Depends on the meta I guess.
Lots of Twin players in my area as well as some Bogles players. Also at least a few people play Merfolk. Also keep in mind that Twin sometimes runs Blood Moon against Burn, so having mana up for a Destructive Revelry is very useful.
Its not that I have to run that card, but I like to keep my bases covered. Otherwise I may as well just run Smash to Smithereens like I stated earlier.
>>44489186
>relentless rats
>>44517360
Your's is too good.
Although pretty much every manland (from both Zendikar blocks) could have used a -(1) from their cost.
>>44520129
>tfw no one plays Pokémon tcg
>>44489302
>any player
>this set
>>44523753
Been thinking of getting into it because my lgs has a scene for it. Full art cards are pretty rad in it too. I just dunno what is good and what I want to use. Is that kyogre good?
>>44521322
We could say that the NWO philosophy has been getting more strict as sets go. There is no way that they would print a set as Shards of Alara or Rise of the Eldrazi (both sets were NWO, too, although they had both good and interesting cards across every rarity) with the current Super NWO.
>>44520129
this game is so bad its almost failed in japan multiple times, and they have multiple tcg that are outright terrible doing well. Whoever decided to bring this over, and how such a blatant mtg clone got popular, I can only imagine has to do with yugioh and vanguard players dropping ship to another weeb game thinking it will be any different.
Wait for 2 years when another japanese tcg comes out, and you see the exact same posts. Fuck, you saw them with kaijudo, vanguard, buddy fight.and I play/played all of them, because I like tcg's, but the people who think some unbalanced nip game will be any better triggers my autism hard by this point
>>44525968
The thing I don't understand about FoW is, how did they get away with naming their game after one of the most prominent MtG cards without getting sued into bankruptcy by Wizards/Hasbro?
>>44526065
Because Wizards doesn't own the rights to a generic term that is not unique to magic?
>>44523459
Did you miss the part where it has defender?
>>44492575
Don't forget the coat of arms and numerous zombie lords and an unending ranks of the dead. This is how you loose friends
>>44526065
wizards doesnt own that name, also international IP and copy write law is hazy. Its more about how the game design is so damn similar, but lots of games do that. Plenty of great japanese games that will never come over, and they bring over shitty ones.
>>44522212
Probably not very often since the designers just killed the game by introducing a bunch of dumb shit
>>44525821
Legendary isn't a type it's a supertype
>>44525853
MaRo said on his podcast that Rise of the Eldrazi was designed without any regard to NWO.
>>44518148
Owning a comprehensive manabase yes. Owning the manabase for a single deck? FUCK NO. In most standards, you'll generally see most decks having 2-3 colors and play playsets of a small handful of dual lands. Maybe 2-3 playsets of dual lands at the most for a deck. The majority of your lands are still going to be basic lands in most standards.
Right now standard encourages 4-5 color monstrosities and your might have 3 or 4 basic lands and the other 20+ lands is an ungodly mix of fetchlands and battlelands.
>>44527280
And maybe that's why is so great. I'm still sad that we won't see levelers again a rarities below Mythic. (Monstruosity doesn't count.)
>>44527280
>RoE was designed without regard to NWO
I don't believe that when they're giving us "mechanics" like Devoid that literally are irrelevant and do nothing more often than they are relevant.
>>44527799
>>44527280
Wait, I fucked up. You said Rise of Eldrazi and I read Return to Zendikar for some reason. My bad.
>>44525853
Shards was only retro-fitted into NWO. Zendikar was the first set that was actually designed under it, and ROE's design team didn't like NWO and ignored it.
>>44517860
It might've been less boring before Development got its hands on it.
Everyone forgets that Development are the ones setting power level and whatnot, not Design.
>>44527925
You can actually see that Shards followed many clues of the NWO.
Activated abilities were not too common and usually expensive and many creatures were fit to the removal of damage on the stack. Also land destruction and bounce was expensive.
But yes, NWO was not complete yet. There were tappers, pingers, cheap removal,card advantage and archetype enablers at common, playable cards below rare and instant tricks. They hadn't destroyed the game yet.
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