That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Lightsaber" bullshit that's going on in the Star Wars system right now. Shock Batons deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine First Order Riot Control Stormtrooper's Shock Baton in Imperial Space for 2,400,000 Galactic Credits (that's about $2) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my Shock Baton.
First Order smiths spend years working on a single shock baton and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Shock Batons are thrice as sharp as a Jedi's swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a lightsaber can cut through, a shock baton can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Shock Baton could easily bisect a Mandalorian wearing full plate Cortosis Weave with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why the Galactic Republic never bothered conquering The First Order? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Stormtroopers and their shock batons of destruction. Even in the Clone Wars, Kaminoan Clone soldiers targeted the men with the shock batons first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Shock batons are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Shock Batons:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Shock Batons in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Shock Batons need to do more damage in Star Wars, see my new stat block.
>>44405417
>two-handed
you dun goofed, m8
if TR8R had tried spinning, which is a good trick, would he have beaten Finn?
>>44405436
The weapon was spinning- was it as good as a trick as having the wielder spin?
>>44405436
He was going to beat Finn like the minority he is until Han saved the traitors life.
>>44405444
Spinning is a good trick but the high ground is far more important.
While TR-8R had the high ground, Han Solo was wielding a bowcaster, a weapon associated with Wookies, who have the high ground against humans. Normally humans cannot wield a wookie's bowcaster, but Chewbacca is a good friend. This is why TR-8R won against Finn but lost to Han.
>>44405444
TR8R was obviously the chosen one, of course he would have won. Of course, the power of multiculturalism defeated him because he's white. Get with the times, it is the current year.
>>4405491
Tell me about Chewbacca, is he a big guy? Who paid him to arm Han Solo?
>>44405496
It was merely a set back, we all know that TR8R is still alive and will be back in second film with dual shock baton
Well don't disclude TR-8R had a bad feeling about this, but he charged and defeated the TRAITOR anyway, he is the true hero in all of this.
>>44405491
Not to mention the fact that Han shot first, before TR-8R could ready himself.
Which brings us to another point. Han's ability to shoot first allowed him to get some cheap wins by catching his opponent off guard. In EsB, when in Cloud City, Han attempts to shoot Vader first, but Vader blocks the shot with his bare hands.
Is it because Han lost the moral high ground by shooting first, thus confirming the power of the high ground?
>>44405611
By Jove, I think you're on to something old chap.
>>44405611
Nah, Vader was just a superior villain and neu sith lite will never be as strong as Darth Vader.
>>44405668
But when General Grievous had the high ground Obi-Wan won
>>44405688
While Grievous had the high ground, and was a master of spinning, Obi-Wan shot first.
>>44405611
It's because Vader was standing some feet away from Han, which due to distance made Han appear smaller than he actually is. Vader had the high ground in that situation.
It's why Vader was so eager to get Luke into the carbonite pit; the only way Vader can remove Luke's moral high ground is freeze him into a horizontal slab of carbonite, which is naturally on the low ground.
>>44405710
Obi-Wan had the high ground from a certain point of view, but he was also using a brutish laser rifle, which are cowardly weapons by nature and allow low ground advantage over high ground opponents.
>>44405688
Maul ALSO had the high ground against Obi-Wan, but that didn't mean anything there.
Obi-wan must have character specced for low-ground advantage.
>>44405751
It's quite simple. Obi-Wan's ability of having a Certain Point of View allows him to mentally reverse the high and low ground, thus granting him the advantage. He utilizes this in his fight against Anakin. When Anakin attempts spinning in order to gain the high ground, Obi-Wan maintains his High Ground advantage and defeats him.
>>44405688
Grievous never had the high ground.
Obi-wan had the high ground. From a certain point of view,
>>44405417
>>44405444
>>44405491
All these dank memes.
If Obi-Wan is unstoppable on the high ground, why did he fall when Sheev initiated Order 66?
>>44405798
Because the troopers shot first, so he couldn't utilise the High ground properly.
Also, the Troopers thought they had the moral high ground from a certain point of view
>>44405798
Because humanity fuck yeah
>>44405773
>>Obi-wan had the high ground. From a certain point of view,
But at that point Obi-Wan has become so uncivilized that he shot first!
>>44405417
Do not mistake him for being a conjurer of cheap spins.
>>44405843
A more elegant weapon for a more Civilized Time? Well, times have changed.
>>44405417
>(that's about $2)
I shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did.
>>44405843
And Cody acquired Obi-Wan's elegant weapon from a more civilized age.
Lightsabers are a Jedi's life, which means Obi's life was in Cody's hands, which gave him the moral high ground to shoot a good friend when Sheev ordered the fight plan.
>>44405843
But from a certain point of view, shooting first is the morally correct thing to do, thus giving him the high ground.
>>44405745
Anyone remember the thread where people theorized how Force manifests with different powers for different people, and Obi-Wan's was that he always has the high ground?
>>44405903
No, but please, tell me more.
>>44405903
Didn't Mace Windu have an ability called Shatterpoint and he could find weaknesses in everything
>>44405971
Yes. Incidentally, Sheev's was his trust in Anikin.
>>44406060
>Anikin
Clearly this must be the true name of Darth Plagueis
I knew this shitty meme was going to blow up all over the place.
Fucker wasn't even that good, seeing as he was beating up a guy who had literally never used a lightsaber in his life.
>>44405870
>>44406117
There's probably some clone out there called Anikin that has a 50 page article on Wookiepedia.
>>44405922
I would if I remembered.
>>44406117
Or autocorrect being dumb. Still I though that the guy who wrote the novelization of episode 3 did a good job with what he had to work with. Probably helps that standing and talking works much better in a book, and you can imagine semi-compitent actors for Anaken and Padme.
>>44406192
Pity the prose was so purple that it started smoking on the water.
>>44405903
Well, it's not really that he always has the high ground, but rather that he has the ability to look at things from a certain point of view.
Obi-Wan's ability to look at things from a certain point of view allows him to put himself on the high ground, securing him victory over many opponents. Consider that he managed to completely reverse the Maul and Grievous duels from the low ground, by using his ability to make his position the high ground, from a certain point of view.
That said, the power of spinning is extremely potent; the rapid changes in perspective granted by spinning means that establishing the high ground is difficult. Spinning works because you strike when you have the high ground, and failed spin attacks occur because of mistiming causing the strike to be from the low ground.
As a master practitioner of spinning, Anakin/Vader was nearly unstoppable both in space and on the ground, but Obi-Wan's greater understanding of the high ground advantage and his use of a certain point of view gave him an advantage in the Mustafar duel, allowing him to counter Anakin's spinning and strike him down.
Anakin learnt from his mistakes and in ANH, Vader refused to spin against Obi-Wan and fought him on a flat, level surface in a fair duel. Because of this, as well as his advancing age, Obi-Wan could not use a certain point of view to maintain the high ground advantage for long, so instead he goaded Vader into striking him down after he had basically given up and surrendered.
Attacking a defenceless person is something only the lowest of the low would do and in doing so, Vader lost the moral high ground. By accepting his death, Obi-Wan obtained the moral high ground and became more powerful than Vader could possibly imagine, ascending to another plane of existence as a Force ghost, but became unable to interact with the physical plane in ways other than communication.
>>44406212
I think he made some edits for the more egregious crap, though its admittedly been years.
>>44405855
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>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405855
Traitor
>>44406179
Turns out that this "Anikin" fellow is not canon according to Disney, and that in the comics he was the cause for the Vong's invasion.
>>44405855
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>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405417
A first class revival of an old meme. Well done.
>>44405855
TRAITOR!
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405855
TRATTORIA
I bet TR-8R was actually hungry.
>>44405855
TRATOR
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405417
>high ground
>spinning
>certain point of view
>barbarism
Are we going to stat the interactions between these memes?
>>44405855
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>>44405855
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>>44405417
>the finest blades
>thrice as sharp
>a shock baton can cut through
>bisect a Mandalorian
>vertical slash.
>Shock batons are simply the best sword
>cutting power of Shock Batons
I have something to tell you, Anon...
>>44407922
I hope you know that this is pasta, and merely think that he should have changed the bits about cutting.
>>44405855
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>>44407922
>He doesn't recognize a classic pasta
newfag
>>44408018
>>44408028
Katana. I find your lack of faith disturbing. He should have changed those bits as well.
>>44407922
>you share a board with these traitors
>>44405855
BETRAYER
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44406192
Natalie Portman is good, the character was just terrible
>>44405611
Isn't doing somthing first a sort of chronological high ground?
>>44405855
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>>44405496
> black people didn't exist in starwars until episode 7
>>44408547
bustin...
>>44408284
Portman is only good at being retarded or dry.
>>44406161
Well he's better than Captain-in-the-trash, I guess.
>>44408767
Watch Leon, the Professional. She makes that kid hot af
>>44409076
That's one thing she was somewhat good at. She could cry as a child because that's what children do. Now if she's crying it just looks stupid.
>>44405855
TRAITOR!
>>44406161
Watch it again.
TR-8R utterly dominated that fight.
Good compared to a jedi, maybe not, but he beat the everliving shit out of Finn.
>>44406161
Its not that he beat FIn but he beat a main character in Star Wars as a fucking mook. Not just anyone can overcome Plotarmour of that magnitude.
>>44406117
Traitor please, it's clearly Snoke.
>>44405855
Sleep tight, TR-8R.
>>44405855
That guy was the only good thing in this entire movie.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
This is the most meme-dense thread on /tg/ right now.
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44412360
I dunno, the Stormtroopers deciding to fuck off when Nu-Vader was throwing a hissy fit were pretty funny.
>>44412360
poe baby was alright
I have a feeling he was part of a much better story after crashing on not-tatooine.
>>44412684
Yeah.
Unfortunately the movie focused on the other one.
Stats for TR-8R
http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/24742/tr-8r--hero-of-the-first-order
>>44405855
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>>44412360
>>44412662
Stormtroopers in general were the best parts of the movie.
>>44405855
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>>44406117
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405855
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>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405855
traitor
>>44405855
Goddamn I hate this kind of posts but I really need those movies to be any good if I don't want to lose more Sanity points so...
TRAITOR
>>44405611
this post
>>44405855
TRAITOR!
>>44408797
What a let down for a figure with so much merch.
It's like she is Boba Fett or something.
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405855
TRAITOR!
>>44412684
poe's story involved an awful lot more suckin' dick to get from point A to point B than our heroes' did
right call by JJ imo
>>44405417
excellent pasta matey
>>44405855
TRAITOR!!
>>44415296
>>44408797
I don't get this 'she is boba fett' meme.
Like, what the hell.
I do think her voice was way too sexy for the part she played in the movie. But why is 'she has unique armor' supposed to be 'boba fett pt 2'?
Like, by that logic, shouldn't ace fighter pilot guy be C3P0 part two, because he has an astromech buddy at the start of the movie?
>>44406229
>but became unable to interact with the physical plane in ways other than communication.
That's it!
Gentlemen.
We finally have a solution to RAM and harddisk limitations.
What if I told you... you could have more memory and drivespace than you do now... with zero heat or weight..?
>>44416842
I knew nothing about the characters going into the film, and she was still garbage. Couldn't really explain why Fett seemed so much more competent with less dialog, but she was just worthless.
I was expecting at least some "I'll die before betraying my order" what with all the brainwashing.
>>44417108
If she's in the next movies I'll shit myself laughing. Locked in a dumpster while the planet explodes, but gotta save the marketable silver lady
>>44415296
>>44416842
>>44417108
I've heard shegoes turncoat and becomes a good friend in the next movie.
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44405855
TRAITOR
On a side note, I was listening to this song when I saw your image. It terrifies me to realize that he was swinging the baton to this song's tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aB6CPyO0Ww
>>44412982
It's kind of a shame we didn't see more scenes like the one where Finn went to his dying implied friend's side at the beginning of the movie. In fact I find it strange that they never even bring up or make any mention of this throughout the rest of the movie.
>>44412662
I agree, this was my favourite part of the movie by far.
>>44405855
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>>44405436
He did spin and he did beat Finn.
>>44405491
>who have the high ground against humans.
No, its because you have to let the Wookie win.
>>44412360
I think Finn was pretty good, and Han and Chewie were great of course. I'm hopeful for 8, because we get less JJ, more Luke, and hopefully something new instead of a complete fucking rehash of 4.
>>44418217
>and hopefully something new instead of a complete fucking rehash of 4.
Anon, that's all JJ does and you know it.
>>44405903
Here's the /tg/ one:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43411095
>>44418300
True, but he's only executive producer next time so there's hope.
>>44417676
A book, a children's book mind you, expanded on that. Guy's name was Slip. Finn was always looking out for him.
>>44405417
>solid steel
>not solid durasteel
>>44412662
I love that scene.
Throughout the movie you have dumb shit like a stolen tie fighter managing to blow up the control room as its running away, and a bleeding to death guy and barely dressed girl fighting each other while the planet literally freezes. But the stormtroopers acting like reasonable human beings and lolnoping out was a really good change of pace.
>>44418947
>you have dumb shit like a stolen tie fighter managing to blow up the control room as its running away
I thought the TIE taking out a Star Destroyer's turbolasers was more unbelievable.
>>44418217
Finn was a gigantic action movie ham. Han had so many cheesy lines. If Chewie had actual lines, I'm sure they'd be just as cheesy.
>>44417286
Bitches got out of the Death Star trash compactor in episode 4, so why couldn't she?
>>44418217
>>44419103
Finn was one of the better characters, but I think his character progression from coward who doesn't want to fight for the First Order, to Rebel action hero was too sudden.
Mainly I thought it was odd at how quickly and effectively he started killing the people he used to work with for several years. I mean, while he did hate the First Order I find it strange he apparently had no attachment to any of his fellow Stormtroopers. You'd think he'd make more than one buddy among them during his time as a Stromtrooper.
>>44419244
Everything about the movie was sudden.
Why should we care about Starkiller Base? It's 10x the size of the Death Star with 1/10th of the tension.
>>44419272
Well it did blow up a few planets and in the process destroy the largest fleet opposed to the First Order, which in turn removed the possibility for any cool larger scale spaceship fights. So it kind of had that going against it.
>>44407195
>MisreadtheCR.webm
>>44419325
Yeah but we hardly got any sort of build-up for Starkiller Base, it just sort of showed up, shot its thing, and got destroyed.
>>44419393
Just like the Death Star.
>>44419420
And the Death Star II.
>>44419420
>>44419431
The Death Stars got plenty of build-up, though. They were introduced early and shown as the obstacle the heroes will have to surmount when they're strong enough.
Starkiller was just sort of... There, it was never hyped up as an unstoppable battle station, the weakness was displayed immediately and the assault on it went on almost without a hitch.
>>44419481
WITH THIS BATTLESTATION WE WILL STOP THE REPUBLIC FROM MEDDLING WITH US FOREVER! CHARGE THE WEAPON!
>Targetting Corruscant, sir!
WHAT, NO, WE WILL CAUSE A LESSON THAT WILL ECHO THROUGH HISTORY. SHOOT THOSE GUYS THE NEXT SYSTEM OVER FROM US!
>>44417676
Yeah, and dude becomes a coldblooded killer like two days later.
I would have loved the idea of a guy raised in a warrior culture who pledges a life of nonviolence, even when swept up into a galactic war.
>>44419570
But anon, the Hosnian System is the capital of the New Republic!
Also the Republic fleets were destroyed slightly off-screen, so just take our word for it when their naval power was annihilated.For real though, I heard Coruscant is still in Imperial hands. The Empire didn't just go away, they made peace with the New Republic, the New Order in this case being extremists that refused to recognize the treaty.
>>44419658
I thought they just relocated to the Hosnian system for reasons.
>>44418983
>I thought the TIE taking out a Star Destroyer's turbolasers was more unbelievable.
I'm more astounded by security cameras not existing. Half of what the heroes did wouldn't have been possible if the empire-remnant had security cameras in logical places, such as facilities that house their only chance at winning the war.
>mind-controlled guard to let her out
>uh hey look she's escaping, but we can literally see where she is going
>ok now she's surrounded by troopers
>hey let's sneak through the base
>hey look, an asshole in a rebellion jacket is running through the base with a wookie and a known rebel
>they're shooting people, tampering with door controls, and not responding to calls for identification
>ok now they're hounded at every turn by mobs of incompetent troopers
>yay we got the mean boss-lady to turn off the shields, then left
>wtf, why are the shields down? Why isn't there anyone in that room? Let's send someone to the room and turn the shields back on
>ok now the whole plan fails because the shield came back on
Security cameras clearly aren't beyond them. They have extremely-intelligent autonomous droids that rely on sophisticated processing of real-time visual input. If it was a question of manpower, they could have easily made the cameras watch themselves and tell people when something suspicious comes up.
Not to mention trackers or other basic safeguards.
>hey look a fighter is escaping and somehow confounded our defenses. Where'd it go?
>good thing we put trackers on our own goddamn spacecraft
>wow we know precisely where it is because we aren't retarded
>>44412684He's a deep-cover double agent for the First Order, answering only to Generic CG Not-Palpatine..
>>44419639
I wouldn't go so far as non-violence. But certainly reluctance to actually kill the people he spent most of his life training and living with. More of a case where he hates the First Order, but he still empathizes with the common soldiers he grew up with.
>>44419704
Eh, it's completely possible that when they shut down the shields, they also sabotaged the controls so that the shields couldn't be easily reactivated without repairing the console first.
>>44419701
Good thing they explained none of this to us and assumed we knew about it.
>>44419704
What I want to know is why Captain Phasma was willing to turn off the shields when she's supposed to be a loyal captain of the First Order, and fully realizes that turning off the shields opens their base up for attack.
>>44419780
>What I want to know is why Captain Phasma was willing to turn off the shields when she's supposed to be a loyal captain of the First Order, and fully realizes that turning off the shields opens their base up for attack.
It was at that point that I began to think she's not as loyal to the First Order as she lets off. Which might also mean Finn's psych evaluation with her actually turned up some issues she chose not to report. Of course this is all speculation, but it would make her more interesting/relevant.
>>44419780
I have a feeling it will be in some comic book coming soon. Just like fucking C3P0's red arm. I loved that little gem of dialogue.
>>44419780
I have a feeling the explanation will be "I meant for them to blow up that useless station! All according to plans... wheels within wheels..." from our new generic ugly overlord.
So how will they one-up the Star Killer in the next movie? By the third one I'm expecting some Gurren Lagann bullshit.
>>44419904
If JJ was running the show I'd say just look at Empire Strikes Back and scale everything up by 10x (because that makes it betterer than the original), but since he isn't it's kind of in the air.
I want Poe and Finn to finally announce their feelings and become an item, though.
>>44405855
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>>44405855
Traitoris Extremis
>>44419927
>>44419904
I just figured they looked around for random stuff in the series, found that there is a star killer idea in a vehicle compendium that was basically a smaller vehicle that would have shot bombs that induced a black hole in a star, and decided to redesign it to something that would be more threatening looking and less likely to get a squadron that took it out by just flying at it and laying the fire on. There was also a super star destroyer design in there, so maybe, after this setback, they might settle for a grandiose fleet instead with super vessels as the big guns of their battle fleet. Although I would certainly hope that they are pissed about the loss of a god damn planet super weapon. Or at least pleased that, despite the loss of the station, they can now more fully mold Ren into a more useful tool as he embraced the Dark Side even further. Or perhaps they will use Ren to show a Sith training facility where he was the first one useful for the field.
>>44407195
I love how he just tosses his shit to the ground.
>>44419927
>I want Poe and Finn to finally announce their feelings and become an item, though.
why
They were great
a relationship would wreck their dynamic though
bromance needs the b
>>44419927
They'll go inverse
suitcasenuke
It'll be something small and bizarrely practical for star wars
>>44405855
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>>44405477
HE WAS NOT IN THE RIGHT MAN. That video showed that Fin was just protecting himself!
That Stormtrooper was a racist looking for trouble and abusing his authority
>>44419904
They could just rip off some EU superweapons. Like Galaxy Gun or Sun Crusher.
>>44419704
Literally the only place shown to have security cameras in the movies is the Jedi temple.
>>44405855
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>>44405855
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>>44417368
You mean she becomes a traitor ?
>>44421380
>>44417286
With the help of droids who weren't being bothered by the planet exploding, who also didn't have to deal with a planet exploding right after hauling themselves out.
Plus, it stands to reason that the garbage chute is much bigger and longer than the Death Star's, meaning more time taken.
Her living through that would be absolutely ridiculous.
LIGHTSABERS CANT MELT BLAST DOORS
>>44405855
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>>44405417
It's not a Batton, it's a Tonfa.
>>44423173
Yeah, they dumped her into a garbage cute like an hour before the planet turned into a star and it's Star Wars. If a person didn't die on camera they aren't dead.
>>44422676
>Galaxy Gun
They already ripped that one off. They called it Starkiller Base.
>>44423173
>Her living through that would be absolutely ridiculous.
She's confirmed back for Episode 8, dude.
>>44418983
>I thought the TIE taking out a Star Destroyer's turbolasers was more unbelievable.
Well, if they're inside the shields/shields aren't up, I'd presume that the First Order wouldn't arm their primary starfighter with lasers that can't hurt capital ships, if they want these fighters to be able to hurt Republic Star Cruisers/Star Destroyers.
I believe Poe also mentioned that the TIE they stole was equipped with missiles? Funny that they didn't use those, since missiles are a starfighter's best method of seriously damaging capital ships.
>>44423254
Starkiller Base has more of Centerpoint Station about it than Galaxy Gun, I think. With some Star Forge in there.
>>44405855
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>>44419780
It's because she'sRey's mother.
>>44405855
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>>44422708
>Literally the only place shown to have security cameras in the movies is the Jedi temple.
Death Star had security cameras.
>>44419904
They won't.
This one had a Death Star because Disney thought that SW needs a Death Star.
Many people complain about Starkiller. They won't use another one.
Rogue One will have the original Death Star instead.
>>44422708
there were a bunch of cameras on the freighter full of shoggoths
>>44419244
My problem was that not only was it sudden, it had no weight.
They immediately established that Finn, like all stormtroopers, was a literal blank slate. Him not wanting to commit atrocities was basically just a fluke in the system.
If he had committed atrocities, then he could have said "you don't know the things I've DONE" which carries way more emotional weight than "you don't know the things I've SEEN". But he didn't, so his guilt over being a trooper is only by association. It's still pretty heavy shit to be sure, but it's not nearly as heavy as it could be.
>>44412360
The best line in the movie is when Hux and Ren are arguing about Finn. Hux asserts the effectiveness of his troopers.
>Ren: They're obviously effective at committing high treason.
That one line is full of so much petty venom, it's palpable.
>>44405417
I love how this guy had a tonfa AND a shield
>>44405491
Man that shit was the dumbest fanservice I've seen in a while.
I'm supposed to believe that in 40+ years Han has never used Chewbacca's bowcaster? That's the only way he could not have known it had such a knockback. All he really needed to say to make it not retarded was "wow, a lot better than the old one" and it would have been fine, this isn't the same one he'd been toting around for DECADES, this is just a new model
>>44406212
>Pity the prose was so purple that it started smoking on the water.
kek
>>44423266
Lasers, missiles/trops, and 'magnapulse' something, iirc.
Along with >disposable one-man fighter you have to wear a lifesupport suit in because it doesn't have its own life support
to >two man, shields, an array of weapons, and theyintend to use it to leave the system, so it has a hyperdrive too
>>44407195
>Finn constantly has the shit beaten out of him
>constantly on the backfoot
>constantly knocked down
Meanwhile, in Rey's plotline...
>>44425315
Well it's been a while. They made upgrades.
>>44425346
What plotline?
my m8 was arguing she was a mary sue. TBF, she doesn't fuck up anything except the circuit breakers, iirc, and that turns out to be alright... but she's also completely irrelevant to the plot of the movie.
Like, replace her with Po and his astromech. And everything not only goes the same way, it goes BETTER without her. Sure, they skip the lightsaber and little bartender that could, but they wind up going straight to the rebellion base instead. Sure, she's some powerful force user who'll be important next time or whatever, but she doesn't DO anything this time other than follow the boys around.
>hyperdrive small enough to fit in a backpack
>shield generator to match
it's like they really developed something new!
>>44425400
Upgrades that look just like normal ties with slightly different paint jobs.
>>44410786
Tusken Raiders beat the shit out of Luke.
A wild animal beat the shit out of Luke.
>>44425429
>mass effect
Yo what the fuck
>>44425415
Finn doesn't get off Jakku without Rey. Though maybe it would have been better to have him get captured by the First Order
>>44425429
Just another way they're shitting on canon as an excuse to make new toys.
Technology is meant to be stagnant in the star wars universe.
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44425468
Poe got off jakku without rey. Finn could have as well.
The only reason they got off jakku was because the millennium plot contrivance was there with the keys still in it and the door wide open. How it hadn't been stolen weeks before is anyone's guess.
>>44415296
>It's like she is a woman or something.
FTFY.
Considering the size and value of her role, the only reason they hyped her up was because she was a woman and they could say they had multiple Strong Female Character.
I could count her lines on one hand.
>Po doesn't have the plans
>get your goddamned cover back on, devil dog *knifehands aggresively*
>FN2817 hasn't acted up before
>fine I'll lower the shields
>>44425520
The only reason they hyped her up was to sell a standard stormtrooper mold with a silver redeco and a cheap cloth cape.
It's marketing.
>>44425468
Nah, brah.
Finn finds Poe at the wreck. The walk back to the town like Finn did on his own, they grab Poe's droid. Poe recognizes the Falcon, they swipe that just like they did with Rey. Have some trouble keeping it going but get hijacked by Han the same way Rey/Finn did. There's no drama about the resistance base because Poe is with them. Han delivers them straight there; First Order doesn't get the location of the resistance base or the map.
She does literally nothing that can't be replaced by the astromech, assuming it's halfway as competent as R2-D2.
>>44425505
>Poe got off jakku without rey. Finn could have as well.
Except in the scene directly preceding it, they established that while defecting and helping Po escape was the right thing to do, Finn needed a pilot because he couldn't fly shit.
>>44425559
Right. So let him find Poe at the crash sight and they're fine.
>>44425553
>She does literally nothing that can't be replaced by the astromech,
and a pilot. Itty-bitty little error.
>>44425553
All they really had to do was make Po a woman, remove Rey and they'd have accomplished what they wanted with less clutter.
>>44425576
This. Or he goes into a cantina and finds a freighter, like you can do at any spaceport in the galaxy.
How does he get money? Bounty hunting/being a merc for a short while. It wouldn't be a rehash of a new hope though, so they had to axe that.
>>44405855
TRAITOR
>>44425600
>make Po a woman
No. We fucking need Po in the movie because he embodies the 80s.
>>44425637
Give FemPo a headband and legwarmers
Doneso
>>44425600
All they really had to do was make Finn a woman, remove Rey and they'd have accomplished what they wanted with less clutter.
>>44425642
It could have been done.
>>44425659
>Finn
>Female
>A stormtrooper
>Female
>>44425692
I would say
>Captain Phasma
But there's no fucking way they'd ever make a bad guy mook female. Gotta be in a position of power.
>>44425659
All they really had to do was rerelease the theatrical cut of ANH and they'd have accomplished what they wanted with less clutter.
>>44405513
Would pay money to see.
>>44408547
>Mace Dindu
>>44425619
It's amazing how JJ was able to shamelessly rip from A New Hope and yet come out with a tasteless bowl of gray gruel.
The movie lacked any sort of weight, your emotions at the start of the movie were probably the same as they were at the end of the movie. Why should we give a fuck about Rey? Finn? Poe? All these characters felt more like talking plot conveniences than people, and the only person that showed a hint of depth was the Vader wannabe.
Seriously, I'm calling out the Plinkett Test on this one;
Describe the character without saying what she looks like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their profession or role in the movies was. Describe this character to your friends like they ain't never seen Star Wars.
>>44425704
>>44425692
>But there's no fucking way they'd ever make a bad guy mook female
There was a female Storm Trooper on Starkiller Base, though. I don't remember the exact shot, but Hux was given an update on the prisoner/attack situation and the Storm Trooper had a distinctly feminine voice.
There was also an ambiguously brown woman bridge officer and a couple white officers too.
In the next movie:
Rey will be training with Luke
The First Order will attack the Resistance's main base
Rey will realize she needs to cut training short to help them
First order will crush Resistance base, but important people will escape
The bad guy ruler will consider turning rey to dark side
There will be a dramatic reveal as to rey's origin and her relation to bad guy
So, am I the only one convinced that the reason for the shock baton-trained troopers is in case of Kylo Ren throwing a fit and randomly breaking shit and killing troopers?
>>44425830
Where's the equivalent to the entire hoth segment? Or the part with the rest of the main characters hiding from the empire in the Falcon.
>>44425795
To be fair, A New Hope was already a rehash of a much better movie, The Hidden Fortress, with the last third or so of the movie being a rehash of The Dam Busters.
>>44425830
Protip: the relation is cousins.
>>44425886
That crest does look familiar indeed.
>>44425886
Was that guy in Harikiri?
>>44425785
oh fuck off with the whole "empire did nuffin wrong" garbage. They rule via terror and just annihilated a peaceful planet.
>b-b-b-but muh death star staff
shut up. They're working on a military weapon system and are presumably enlisted. Your argument is like saying 007 is evil for blowing up that soviet base in Goldeneye because he also killed some scientists and a private with a mop.
>>44405855
Traitor
>>44425886
True, but ANH drawing from various movies and wrapping it up in sci-fi is still more imaginative. FA is only working with what previous star wars movies had, so it's anemic and dull.
>>44425795
He's a badguy who, when it came down to it, couldn't quite stomach being a badguy. For some reason he's totally okay with murdering his former m80s, but that's just how it goes, apparently. He's pragmatic enough to team up with a former enemy if he thinks that will help him bail from Team Badguy.
He's pretty hardy. Most of his skillset is "thug", but he clearly wishes he had some other things he could do. He's inexperienced and kind of novice in terms of living on his own/in the galaxy at large, without his original organization, but he did receive some training in life. (Mostly related to his previous muscle skillset.) He wants to run away and not be found, but his cowardice is relatively easily overcome when he has a good reason to do so.
>>44425952
>peaceful planet
>royalty was actively supporting and subverting the rule of the empire for decades
Rebel scum spotted
>>44425952
Starting a war for aggression, as the rebels did, is why people were hung at nuremberg.
Justice is decided by the victors.
>>44425920
Toshiro Mifune? Yes. Also Sanjuro and Ran and one other that's escaping me, the one with where one story is told from different perspectives.
>>44425986
>and wrapping it up in sci-fi is still more imaginative
That's subjective at best. Calling a sword a laser sword does not by itself make a work more creative.
>>44425795
A young person with a mysterious past. Has a knack for droids and piloting. Eventually leaves their desert home planet in search of something greater than themselves, with people they've only just met, but for some reason trust completely. Loses one of these people along the way, but proves to be a chosen one, capable of saving the day when all hope seems lost.
>>44426109
>>44426091
Toshiro Mifune wasn't in Ran, I don't think.
>>44426023
Half of that was you describing his skills or the organization he works or worked for, though.
>>44425432
People do this all the time with real military equipment, with massive alteration in capability or even role occurring without significant external change. The only change that is hard to hand wave away with decades of time is the second seat. Which can easily enough be dealt by staying its not based on the original TIE Fighter, but the 2 seat TIE Trainer version, used to teach pilots how to fly one.
>>44426136
Yeah my bad. I was thinking of Rashomon, the movie i couldn't name.
>>44426091
Mifune wasn't in Ran.
Actually it was Tatsuya Nakadai in Harakiri and Ran. They look kind of similar to be honest.
>>44425795
She's frustrated and wants something more but is bound by obligations and the promise of her family returning to her.
She's had to live her life in harsh conditions without much help or support so has grown up self-reliant and multi-talented.
...
That's it.
You know what would have made her better? Had it be established that she loved stories about the Jedi and the Rebellion and stuff. That would give her much more impetus to go rollicking around because a droid turned up and also feed into the 'new generation inspired by the old' 'theme' that's weak as shit in the film. Also make her act as a good counterpoint to Darth Emo.
>>44426125
Han and Chewie didn't find them until they had already escaped the desert planet
>>44426179
This. Many Armies use equipment that dates back to the 50s and 60s that's been upgraded and renovated.
>>44425432
Tech gets easier to make smaller with every advance. The X Wing showed there was already small fighter ship tech out there, and I think Vader actually had a prototype of this as his personal TIE Fighter, just with a wing variant. They just built further upon that foundation and used standard wings.
>>44405798
Because it was treason then.
>>44425821
>I don't remember the exact shot, but Hux was given an update on the prisoner/attack situation and the Storm Trooper had a distinctly feminine voice.
I'd need the clip
>There was also an ambiguously brown woman bridge officer and a couple white officers too.
>officers
By definition, not mooks.
>>44425795
>Rey
She's attached to this stupid junkyard shithole of a planet because she says she's waiting for her family to come back.
>Finn
He's a literal blank slate. He sort of wants to do the right thing, but he also really wants to just be left alone and not deal with anything.
>Po
UHHH
>Kylo Ren
He wants to be hardcore, but his self-doubt won't let himdammit JJ, show don't tell
Since this is sort of a Star Wars weapons thread: what is the canon colour of Wookie bowcasters projectiles? I remembered them as green, yet in TFA they were red.
>>44426437
>I'd need the clip
Don't have it, but it was the trooper giving the update to the officer guy after they've searched the hangar.
>>44425886
Word is Lucas originally wanted Toshiro Mifune himself to be Obi-Wan.
>>44426360
They were going to die until H&C showed up. Some escape.
>>44405855
TR-8R
>>44426351
>Had it be established that she loved stories about the Jedi and the Rebellion and stuff. That would give her much more impetus to go rollicking around because a droid turned up and also feed into the 'new generation inspired by the old' 'theme' that's weak as shit in the film. Also make her act as a good counterpoint to Darth Emo.
That would just make her even more like Luke.
>holy shit you were a Jedi, Ben?! I thought those guys were a myth
>holy shit you're part of the Rebellion, Threepio and R2?! That's nuts, I've heard a lot about you guys
>>44426557
mother of god
can you imagine?
>>44426543
in all the dark forces/jedi knight/battlefront games, they were green. Don't worry, you're not going crazy.
>>44426437
Bride officers in Star Wars are mooks, remember how Vader burned through them like tic-tacs?
>>44426606
Yeah, I remembered them distinctively from Jedi Academysuch a shit weapon
What colour were they in original trilogy?
>>44425553
True and trough, but what about the debt collectors attacking Solo, and getting back FN in one peace?
>>44426543
>that pose
Does nobody in these movies do an Isoceles stance? Everyone but the stormtroopers just kind of holds their arms out noncommittally
>>44426621
They were also all addressed by name, which makes them not mooks. They're not expendable because of who they are, but because of who Vader is. Troopers are grunts. Infantry. Expendable is their middle name. Officers are not.
And now that Kylo Ren's the resident dark-side-using lightsaber-toting Imperial leader, we don't actually see him kill any of his own personnel. We just see him grab that one guy by his throat and then we don't see him again. Way to neuter your bad guy by implying he's abusive towards his underlings but not showing it, gg JJ.
Just in time to have female bridge officers too, wouldn't want people to think he's completely irredeemable.
>>44426603
When he turned the role down (because it sounded like some shitty kids flick) Lucas offered Darth Vader.
