So if there was an End Times for 40k how could GW do it well. Who would you be happy with winning even if is not your favorite faction. what if everyone lost some how.
>>44405351
Massive hive fleet consumes nearly everything in the galaxy.
Warp storms and the EoT protect a score of worlds (mostly full of chaos worshippers). The galaxy is drained of all easily obtainable bio-mass and the hive fleets move on.
The Necrons awaken from their slumber en-mass, destroy the final chaos holdouts, and then return to their slumber.
The galaxy is quiet and empty until sentient life evolves again.
>>44405390
would they destroy the Warp this way
>>44405411
Unlikely, it would be incredibly difficult to destroy the warp entirely, near impossible.
The warp would be much calmer without local sentient beings to feed in emotions, so I doubt the cron would bother.
>>44405455
there would not be any souls for there to be a warp right? unless i am completely wrong and then i am sorry about my head cannon bullshit
>>44405469
The warp is just a dimension, it is literally part of the fabric of the universe itself. It will always be there. However, the entities we call Chaos would be lacking any high-density food sources (which souls essentially are) locally. But they can still feed on each other, just not as efficiently, and besides, if there is life in other galaxies they can influence that too, they are literally everywhere at once after all.
>>44405390
Newcrons don't wnt to purge all life tho.
>>44405532
wait what i thought that was there thing
>>44405503
what is making the warp a hellish realm. how did it get fucked up in the war in heaven?
>>44405351
>So if there was an End Times for 40k how could GW do it well.
I think they've proven by now that they can't.
>>44405601
yes, they don't have the ability but how could it have been done better or well at all.
>>44405351
>be aun'va
>see that the galaxy is greater bad
>I don't like bad
>Farsight, I need you to...
>GODDAMNIT FARSIGHT
>PUT THAT FUCKING SWORD DOWN ONLY WE CAN HAVE SWORDS
>YOUR SENSEI oh I mean SHAS'O PURETIDE WILL BE EXTREMELY PISSED
aaaaand the nids invade
>>44405579
It is hellish to us, because we don't belong there, but it's a decent way to achieve FTL-travel.
To the entities themselves the Warp is like a desert.
Devoid of food sources (other than others of their kind), however the interfacing of potentially psychic entities of our dimension with theirs present quite the cornucopia of food stuff, without it, it would simply go back to its desert state.
The emotions of life make them stronger, not sure how the Chaos Gods as such came into being, but it might simply be an evolutionary divergence, feeding on different things for the same ends. Specialisation if you will.
>>44405680
so the Gods are very powerful Daemons?
>>44405690
To a certain extent.
They are however so powerful that they can literally shape reality around themselves, and can create more like-minded entities at will.
I doubt they could ever concentrate themselves enough to take physical form, that's why they created Greater Daemons, entities with a significant amount of a Gods power, but much more compact in structure.
>>44405690
Not him but yes. More like emotions and nature made manifest. Look like Slanesh. She was literally killfucked into existence. So many hedonistic thoughts in a single concentrated area pushed itself into the warp and made Slanesh, the daemon princ(ess) of pleasure, pain, and pleasure in pain.
All of humanity is armed with whatever they can find, literally every human who can goes on a massive crusade, including the marines.
Terra implodes
More stuff happens
>>44405351
I would actually go full anticlimactic and de-escalate everything. But I guess that doesn't fit for what you asked.
>>44405390
The new necron fluff removes them as a threat to all life in the galaxy. At the present the only threat to the galaxy as a whole is the nids.
>>44405532
What do the Newcrons wanna do?
>>44406123
Conquer the galaxy and enslave everyone.
>>44405503
>The warp is just a dimension, it is literally part of the fabric of the universe itself.
Bullshit.
The Oldcrons Great Work was about cutting off the Warp from the material universe forever.
Also the C'tan are fundamental parts of the fabric of reality. They are in no way Warp related.
>>44406097
>At the present the only threat to the galaxy as a whole is the nids.
And Chaos.
Hive Fleet arrives. Reduces every race to a few planets.
In response to the arrival of the Tyranids, Tau Etherals use their secret psychic powers to meld together and form Tau Emperor, who makes Tau Space marines. They survive the hive fleet better than any other race.
Because humanity is almost completely wiped out, chaos starves and fades to an insignificant spec of warp.
Tau go on massive expansion campaign to wipe out all remaining Tyranid left behind by fleet.
expand so big and quickly, and Tau have equivalent of Horus Heresy.
Tau is new humanity.
>>44406220
>emperor dies
>humanity falls
>Even less ressotace against the nids
>nids overrun the Galaxy
>chaos is kill
Thanks chaos
>>44406220
except that without humanity basically creating chaos with their dreams and shit, chaos would die out without them.
If humanity dies, chaos is reduced to a harmless blip until some other race over populates.
>>44406250
>Emperor dies
>Entire Galaxy turns into one massive Warp Storm.
>Nids gtfo before they all mutate and starve on warp stuff they can't deal with
The Emperor is the only thing holding Chaos at bay from tearing the galaxy a gigantic new one.
>>44406250
Are you stupid? There would be no galaxy. It would be a vortex of pure Chaos. Can you not read?
>>44406258
There is no except in this. It's actual fluff.
All life, time, and space will be destroyed. There would be no galaxy, there will will be eternal Chaos. My god you guys can't read for shit.
>>44406320
How can chaos mutate nids?
Also tau and orks would probably still be a thing as well as chaos followers
>>44406346
No one cares, Carnac.
We're talking about a GOOD way to send off 40k.
>>44406346
damage control chaos fag
>muh chaos wins every time
Might I ask what this fluff is from? It's pretty shit seeing as it ignores everything else besides humans and chaos.
>>44406361
The retardation is real.
There will be nothing left. What part of all life, space, and time will destroyed do you not understand?
The Tyranids would be swimming in a sea of pure Chaos where no biomass exists. Just more and more Chaos. As shown in many cases, Tyranids have been horribly mutated by the raw energies of the Warp.
>>44406361
Chaos can mutate anything both soul and flesh. Its a natural side effect to getting caught in the warp. Hive Fleets that have gotten caught in the warp and semi separated from the greater hivemind come back out all fucked.
Tau and Orks can both get mutated. Daemons don't pay attention to Tau since they have tiny souls and Tau haven't actually entered the Warp yet. Orks instinctively kill everyone "Un-orky". Which includes those among them who have been tainted by Chaos.
>>44406394
Its not Chaos wins every time its Chaos wins if the Emperor dies, which has been the case for a long time. If you kill the Anathema to Chaos, Chaos gets free reign.
>>44406367
>>44406394
Morons. I am just telling the fluff. The other anon which first replied said the nids are the only threat to life and I corrected him. Then you idiots came in and misunderstood what's in the picture . I did not even say that Chaos is going to win and I did not say that you are forced to shoehorn this into your headcanon, you strawmanning illiterate numbnuts.
The source for this text are all main rulebooks from 4th ED to 7th ED. It's a copypasta from all of them.
>>44406398
How does eliminating one faction destroy the entire galaxy? Also can you give me some examples of chaos tyranid mutation?
>>44406437
>>44406398
>>44406346
>Begins every single post with an ad hominem.
I'm arguing for the same point as you but could you be any bigger of an asshat about telling people fluff based on what happens when the Emperor dies?
>>44406440
It's confirmed that you cannot read. Now go back to this post (>>44406220) and read it slowly.
>chaos tyranid mutation?
Hive Fleet Ouroboros.
The Hiveship that was infected with the taint of Chaos by the Iron Warriors and used as a titan transport in "Storm of Iron
>>44406483
It's not not an ad hom. It's an insult directed at people who cannot read. Consider it something like a drill sergeant verbally castrating you for being a fuckwit. This is what is happening.
>>44406512
>It's not not an ad hom. It's an insult
>>44406183
Reinforcing the barrier between real-space and the warp to the point where there is no more interaction doesn't mean the warp isn't a dimension.
C'Tan are gods of Real-space, real-space =/= warp. They are not actual space-time, just vast entities that can manipulate space-time and reality very easily when condensed into a form compact enough to interact with life as we know it in our dimension.
Again, the Warp is a dimension, you know, those things are for the most part just touching our universe and can be interfaced with in the right circumstances, see Sub-space in Star Trek or Hyperspace in Babylon 5.
That is something very different from being a part of what the 40k universe perceives as real-space.
TLDR, both your arguments are incorrect, please read up on the nature of dimensions and space-time sometime, you might learn a thing or two.
>>44405351
>So if there was an End Times for 40k how could GW do it well. Who would you be happy with winning even if is not your favorite faction. what if everyone lost some how.
Someone re-unites the C'tan. Cue Collective OH SHIT. Cue Old One artefacts waking up as an emergency protocol. Cue second war in heaven.
>>44406484
>humanity died
>all life dies
That's some good in depth fluff there
Also I noticed there's a nice "cannon conflict" attached to the hive fleet Ouroboros page on lexicanum
Why are you all even bothering to argue with Carnac? He's a confirmed troll who uses grossly out of context or outdated quotations to derail threads.
>>44406528
Not him but ad hom isnt the same as an insult. Get your shit together
>>44406528
An ad hom would imply we are in debate. This not a debate. This is an education.
As an educator I am obligated to slap around my students in whatever way I please, especially students who have shown themselves to be consistently dumb. In whatever way I think would make the information stick.
It's an efficient method of education.
>>44406558
You're wrong though ;^)
>>44406546
Now look at this post? I told him to read it carefully and yet he continues to fail.
Humanity isn't just going to die, moron. ALL HUMANS IN THE GALAXY WILL BE TRANSFORMED TO WARP SPEWING CHAS GATES. Trillions upon trillions of Warp gates all over the galaxy. The galaxy will drown in pure unmatter.
>Also I noticed there's a nice "cannon conflict" attached to the hive fleet Ouroboros page on lexicanum
How about you open the 4th ED Nid codex. Oh...wait. Don't waste your time. You are illiterate.
>>44406573
Except I am not. The fluff is right there for all to see.
I am sorry that you have a 5 year old's reading comprehension.
>>44406552
>out of context or outdated quotations to derail threads.
That quote is from 7th ED as well. Please show how this is outdated and out of context.
>>44406624
Nah ;^)
>>44406599
I said humanity dies as I it dies out via chaos
Also you didn't disprove my point about the cannon conflict just because it's started somewhere in fluff doesn't mean it can't come into conflict with something later on.
>>44406556
He's mocking you instead of just educating or arguing against you. That is exactly what ad hominem is.
>>44406558
>Mocking your students
>Students who have no obligation to listen to anything you say
>A good way to make info stick
No
>>44406535
>Reinforcing the barrier between real-space and the warp to the point where there is no more interaction doesn't mean the warp isn't a dimension.
The argument was about whether the Warp is an essential part of reality, not if the Warp is a dimension.
Seeing as the Warp can be totally cut off from reality with no consequences and seeing how the C'tan who are fundamental parts of the fabric of reality are not warp users at all, it disproves that claim.
>>44406658
I don't think anyone said that there would be no consequences... Not for the crons and the C'tan no, but I imagine it would do a pretty good job and just about killing any species that does interact with the warp.
>>44406656
Except I am educating you and providing explanation and evidence while mocking you. So it's not an ad him, moron.
>>44406655
Dude, what happens to it if it dies from Chaos? The whole Chaos portal thing? Do you from enter sentence as you read?
The think about the canon is that Tyranids in 4th ED used the Warp to travel and in 5th ED they no longer do so, However, we have examples of Tyranids fleets being sucked into the Warp so it balances out.
>>44406656
Calling someone a moron while disagreeing with him is not the same as ad hom. Ad hom is you saying he is wrong because he is a moron and not because his arguments arent valid.
>>44406694
See (>>44406183)
Humanity (and other non-warp sensitive species) and reality will not be affected. Warp sensitive races will most likely die out. All and all, reality will continue like nothing happened.
>>44406698
Thats still ad hominem. What you do alongside it is irrelevant. If you provided a whole essay on the subject in perfect structure but randomly tacked on "You drooling retards" at the end, that is still an ad hominem and serves no purpose but to make you unnecessarily antagonistic.
>>44406698
>The whole Chaos portal thing? Do you from enter sentence as you read?
>>44406656
>>A good way to make info stick
Yes, it's a good way. That's why PAIN and fear are proven to the effective tools of management and education.
>>44406698
What other hive fleets have been sucked into the warp?
>>44405351
I wish they added a ton more races and human successor factions.
Like all the Old One races, some machine ones, and some from outside the galaxy like the Tyranids or some lost human expedition.
>>44406744
You
see
>>44406706
No, it's not.
It serves a purpose by slapping the other guy in the face and making him pay attention. Look at the morons in this thread. They are so ADD they can't read straight.
>>44406698
Do you drop sentences*
>>44406758
>insults people on an anonymous image board
>"I'm educating them"
Don't cut yourself now
>>44406768
Splinter Fleets of Kraken.
Also in the novel "Daemon World, IIRC, there were enslaved Tyranids.
>>44406787
Yes it is.
>>44406798
(picture related)
>>44406835
It's not. You are focusing too much on something trivial instead of focusing on what's being discussed. Unless you bring something worth something into the discussion, then this discussion is over.Moron
>>44406730
>What is FTL travel?
>>44405351
Go read 50 or 60k. 60k is the storyline wrap up, 50k is the move to a new setting.
>>44406867
Do you mean Warp travel? The method of travel that is about opening a vortex into the Warp and then traveling around in the Warp?
It's warp related thing. The universe will not be affected by its disappearance..
The Eldar killed their own deities I'd say having them win should include them returning. And seeing as space marines are imperial guard + technology it plays into the above mentioned scheme.
>>44406866
Theres nothing to discuss. You're right and they are wrong. But you're displaying your rightness in a way that encourages them to ignore you and look for exceptions.
>>44405351
I would like at least one chaos god killed. Preferably Khorne since he's the more powerful. No one is safe.
>>44406962
Are you me?
>>44406962
How would that be possible? Even if you "Killed" Khorne everyone urge to fight and kill each other would cause him to be reborn or ressurected. After all he's the war god of the setting, and in the grim future of 40k there is only war.
>>44406919
Khaine, Isha, and the Laughing God are still alive though.
I wouldn't do something like end times, just do some major scenarios that will lead to significant change of balance, for example a massive invasion of tau empire by tyranids, that will wipe away tau as a nation. Then they can become an auxillary eldar force, or some remnant armies gone mercenary.
>>44406993
Unless another being takes hiss throne.
If we are talking AoS lore into consideration, you can always imprison a Chaos God. Without the Chaos God leadership, his armies will be weakened and directionless (more so than usual).
>>44407066
taking*
>>44406993
So, Slaanesh v2?
You realize that doesn't actually change anything, and he'll just pop back up later.
Would Emperor wake up and save a handful of space marines and take them into hiding with him
>>44407162
He would try to save as many people as he could.
>>44407066
Eh maybe. But who could take the most powerful Chaos God's throne? His most powerful daemon could barely dent his armour. I forget how Slaanesh was captured in AoS but I recall a lot of chaos folks being right pissed about it, both players and character in the setting.
>>44406993
>everyone urge to fight and kill each other would cause him to be reborn or ressurected.
Maybe. Or maybe those "feelings" or whatever rearrange in another way, forming other entities. Anyway I think even a god can (theoretical) be "broken" (return to a dormant state) for quite a while.
>>44407154
That's exactly what I said?
>>44407170
That was Skarbrand who did that. Ang'grath is Skarbrand on steroids after using the Hyperbolic time chamber. He could do far more than what Skarbrand could do. Maybe Doombreed could take his boss's place.
>>44407175
They can be but it depends on whats going on in the galaxy. 40k is nothing but war and violence all the time. It's why Khorne has been the undisputed strongest ever since 30k when the Horus Heresy happened.
How could he be broken in the first place?
>>44407218
Maybe he becomes too powerful for his own good?
>>44407202
They're rivals on equal footing. I don't recall one being stated to be blatantly stronger then the other. Ang'rath is just favored over Skarbrand now so he wield more of Khorne's power
>The end times happen
>The emperor is dead
>Chaos is gone
>other races on the verge of extinction
>Imperium is non-existant
>on the ruins of Terra, a green gauntleted hand thrusts out of the debris
>Vulkan
>Lives
>>44407185
Yeah, sorry, meant to hit this guy:
>>44406962
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7350111/5/45th-Millennium
Tbh if they blew it all up, I would want a resurgent Imperium under a reformed emperor. Theyd still fail in the end, but its a hell of alot cooler than just 'the imperium falls.'
>>44405503
No it isn't. The Warp is described as an entire different universe.
>>44407275
You would be wrong.
Skarbrand is statedto be the most powerful and greatest of his kind in Bloodoath and other pieces of fluff. Ang'grath was specifically created by Khorne to be the better of Skarbrand in every way.
>>44407277
There's a fanfic that covers that in the 50k and 60k version of the warhammer 40k universe?
Its not bad by fanfic standards, very epic battlely.
>>44407463
An'ggrath was never made to simply be better than Skarbrand, he's just the one who took his place after his exile. He was also defeated by Lorgar in single combat.
>>44407484
Link?
>>44407591
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Story:The_Shape_Of_The_Nightmare_To_Come_50k
its kinda odd but reall cool.
>>44406798
There were not enslaved tryanids in Deamon world, their were extra galactic aliens enslaved working in the flesh mines, but they most certainly were not tryanids
>>44407591
This is the 50k one, and the 60k one is still being updated on and off (last update was like 2 weeks ago).
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Story:The_Shape_Of_The_Nightmare_To_Come_50k#The_Shape_of_the_Nightmare_to_Come:_Section_Navigation
And the 60k
http://www.thebolthole.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=231
>>44407607
>>44407642
Much obliged.
>>44407607
I like how the 60k one is more uplifting and epic while still feeling really tense and having that air of imminent doom.
50k was just kinda depressing until the end. But that was the point and it made an excellent setup for Age of Dusk. I hope it has more of a spinoff and its own "Age of Sigmar" concept but not shitty instead.
Maybe with a ton of additional new concepts and factions along with surviving remnants from the old 40k universe as it were. And really taking advantage of the temporal shenanigans/alternate dimensions/universes that the previous cataclysmic battles and rebuilding has unleashed to expand the scale dramatically.
>>44407682
I liked the scene in my head about the 50k ork vs. locust battle. That's a fucking huge amount of dakka
>>44407549
Dude, read his lore in Siege of Vraks.
> He was also defeated by Lorgar in single combat.
Utterly irrelevant.
>>44407803
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/An'ggrath
>Among the ranks of Khorne's daemons, An'ggrath is one of the greatest and most revered. After the treachery of his once-favoured champion Skarbrand, Khorne created An'ggrath to be the ultimate expression of war and destruction
>Although greater than Skarbrand in almost every respect, the two daemons do have a furious rivalry and hatred of one another
I normally don't use the Lexi for my citation but I don't have the book on me at the moment
>>44405351
I'd like the Tyrant Star ending myself, so NONE will survive in any form resembling the current one, chaos included. But that's just my opinion.
>>44406599
Hive fleet ouroboros part 1
>>44406599
>>44410288
And part 2 note the lack of any Chaos corruption beyond mistaking them for Chaos which is understandable since this is 4000 year before behemoth
>>44409259
Edgelord detected
I really, really shouldn't be talking about this but according to an illustrator friend that does work for GW there is a reboot of 40k scheduled for 2017. According to said friend 30k and the Horus Heresy is just building up to an event which will reboot the fluff for 40k.
>>44406320
As we learnt from GW attempt at the End Times and AoS, that plot line is incredibly boring and just results in everybody being mad at GW for shitty writing.
>>44410344
Just curious... What in that post makes me an edgelord? As nihilistic as I am, I don't like to think of myself as dark or brooding, and certainly not cool, nor do I want to falsely claim to be someone like that.
>Emperor dies
>True Omnissiah returns and buttfucks pathetic fleshy beings
>all hail the machine
Aren't Tyranids inmune to the Warp due the whole Shadow of the Warp? Makes me wonder if Chaos or its Daemons can fight the Tyranids at all in the long run. Have the forces of Chaos ever considered, or faced, the Tyranids in any meaningful way?
>>44406220
From which book does that come from? It could be simple Ecclesiastical/Chaos propaganda. All the BS of Chaos and the Imperial Cult originates in the books that Lorgar wrote.
>>44406758
Found the Sith Lord
>>44405351
Hiigarans show up, shitstomp everyone.
>>44410828
It's from the 5th ED, 6th ED, and 7th ED main rulebooks.
No, it's not an in-verse thing. It's from the fluff section talking about he imminent psychic evolution of mankind and how the Emperor is guiding this evolution.
Imperium or Chaos
>Omnicopaeia STC proves to be untainted and working
>humanity is jumpstart evolved into incorruptible psyker mastery
>it also provides locations to a few other STC fragments
>Imperium starts gearing up
>the Emperor allows himself to finally die
>Imperium desperately holds against the frenzied hordes that assail it, now that the Astronomican is weaker
>manage to hold the line and the Emperor reappears on Terra
>leads a massive crusade against Chaos and Tyranids, managing to drive both back
>brings back Guiliman, Lion, Khan, Corrax and Rus in the process
>after securing the borders returns to Terra to finish the human webway
>Imperium now invades Commoragh and destroys it, at the same time wipes out any concentrated Ork, Eldar and Tau forces
>to finally achieve their birthright, Imperium now scours the galaxy looking for dormant Tomb Worlds and destroys them
>the Emperor uses his powers to lure the main Tyranid fleet away
AVE IMPERATOR
>>44410902
Isn't the main core book pro-imperial propaganda anyway? I'm skeptic about the notion of humanity evolving into psykers so quickly. The setting is so maleable with disinformation, propaganda and lies, that I can't trust anything of it with complete certainty.
>>44410952
And the Chaos version
>Abaddon is pouring everything he has into the last Black Crusade
>gains more and more ground towards Terra
>all of this spawn countless Daemons that help in the push
>Imperium is desperately retreating, abandoning or destroying whole systems in the process
>every abandoned system provides more troops for the shrinking Imperial defense
>Orks are raiding all over, Necrons and Eldar are trying to stop Chaos, but at the same time aren't willing to completely dedicate themselves to saving the Imperium
>despite all of this, more and more systems fall to Chaos, some willingly
>Abaddon finally makes near the Sol system
>literally everything that the Imperium can muster has been withdrawn here
>both sides employ things that have never been seen on a massive scale
>Abaddon now commands such a massive army that they can easily defend their flanks from other invading factions and races, who try to thwart him or secure the kill
>after years of unfathomable slaughter for every centimeter of space and later ground in the system the palace finally falls
>Abaddon proclaims himself the new Emperor
>before he can ascend the Throne a Daemon appears before the Emperor and slaughters him
>everything is ChaosAnd I want the Tau to suffer in the most horrible ways while they get steamrolled in both versions
There will be an End of Times,but Chaos players will still be waiting for their new codex.
>>44410987
It's not.
Humanity have been evolving into a psychic race ever since they crawled from the mud. Now at the end of the 41K, humanity is entering a stage of their evolution as a species. It will either end in a golden age of wonderment or you know Chaos forever.
>>44406162
No, what they really want to do is become living again. Conquer the shit out of everything, then return to fleshy bodies and reforge their civilization with actual life this time.
>>44411067
Evolution does not work that way.
>>44410952
The Emperor wouldn't destroy the Eldar anon- only the Dark Eldar. The Craftworlders are united in purpose against Chaos, and the victory of the "good" forces (Imperium, Craftworld Eldar) would involve the Eldar sacrificing themselves to create Ynnead, destroying/subduing Slaanesh, and saving Isha from Nurgle.
Craftworlder Eldar would then fuckoff to the Webway when reincarnated by their gods.
>>44411075
It does in 40K.
Age ofUltramar.
I tend to have a soft spot for the eldar winning. Their God of dead comes into being and absorbs Slaanesh and becomes the most powerful God ruling over the others and bringing order to the warp.
>>44411167
You know...I think that they should launch a joke campaign with the orks doing exactly that, even if all it only happens in the head of an derranged ork.
>>44405351
>Chaos wins
>Emperor saves the world
>bubble dimensions in the warp
>nothing of value was lost
>everything's shit now
>Tau become good daemons
>Eldar are one army
>new army of super-marines
>everything gets more expensive
Would the Tyranids go straight into the Eye of Terror once Terra falls? It's the next big psyker becon in the galaxy.
>>44406658
>seeing how the C'tan who are fundamental parts of the fabric of reality are not warp users at all, it disproves that claim.
... what? Just because they're fundamental parts of reality doesn't mean they have to interact with all parts of reality.
Wheels (or treads or some other, similar thing) are fundamental parts of a car, but that doesn't mean they have anything to do with the doors or the windshield.
>>44405351
The Emperor awakens and notcing how much he FAILED, uses his remaining power to cut his losses teleport the Sol system to another galaxy (sans Mars cause' lolno not taking the Void Dragon). Continues on with plan of transforming humanity into a psychic race that makes the Eldar look primitive, ascends to a higher plane of existance uneventfully, and if any humans remain in the galaxy he left, goes on to rescue them one man at a time until humanity is evacuated from this crappy universe.
>>44411271
You're forgetting "Getting rid of any sense balance by taking out the point system" and "Making farting noises to get bonuses to attack."
>>44410728
>Aren't Tyranids inmune to the Warp due the whole Shadow of the Warp?
Nope
I think the Imperium will be ripped apart with so many fronts open at the same time long before Terra falls. Necrons, Tyranids, Orks, Chaos...whole segments are probably going to become isolated as the Imperium concentrates more resources with all the threats coming straight to Terra.
>>44410987
>>44406250
>>44406258
>>44406394
>>44406552
>>44411075
>Emperor dies before humanity is evolved - every human explodes into Chaos
>humanity evolves and the Emperor is safely reborn - Chaos is fucked
40k is centered around the fight between the Emperor/Imperium and Chaos Gods/heretics. Everyone else is just a NPC, except if they manage to steamroll the galaxy while the Emperor is still alive. With the exception of Tau of course.
>>44411119
Well the thread is how you want it to end. And I want it to end with complete Imperial domination or Chaos fucking Abaddon in his moment of victory. But if GW does it and they decide the Imperium wins, I'm pretty sure the Eldar prophecy about them fighting alongside the Imperium in one last battle would happen.
>>44405351
>what if everyone lost some how.
That one is pretty easy
>Abaddon succeeds in his quest, actually becomes the Dark Emperor
>but the galaxy was so fucked that once the main Tyranid fleet arrives nobody can muster an effective defense
>so Tyranids eat almost everything
>but glorious last stands, Daemons and Necrons force them to eat everything but the Sol system to prepare to invade it
>they manage to do it, but once the Emperor is killed everything explodes into Chaos
>problem is that there is so little to power Chaos that it's actually just a mortis cry of Chaos
>Tyranids try to fuck off to a new galaxy, but lack of biomass kills them all before they can leave
>the few remaining Necrons that were left for later now rule a few planets in a barren and literally lifeless galaxy
>all go crazy and die
>>44411363
Chaos vs the Imperium is just boring at this point.
>>44411363
You forgot the hook to start a new line of miniatures called the Age of Emperor.
>>44411347
Chaos can't taint the Tyranids. They don't even understand the Hivemind at all.
Salamanders raid Commorough for Pancea
Nurgle Gets really weak
Ishia Gets free heals the emperor
Eldar Suicide pact
3 gods in the warp fucking up chaos
Tau have no idea what the fuck is going on
Massive Imperium reforms
Then thing tyranids were Running from shows up enter warhammer 50K
>>44411430
It can.
Warp energies mutate the flesh, so I guess the population of chaos spawns is going to expand like a sailor's dong in a sluthouse.
>>44411471
Tyranids have no souls. The Hivemind is also too alien for even the Chaos gods to understand it. It is completely alien without any kind of human-like thought or emotion. It is the complete antithesis of Chaos, even more so than the Necrons.
>>44411567
Yeah, and?
First, it's not complete antithesis to Chaos, it's just a different kind of presence. Chaos works not only off humans, alienas are fine too.
Second, you don't need to understand thing to fuck it up.
Third, even if the tyranids don't have souls they have bodies, which will go pop just like every other piece of flesh if subjected to the warp energies.
>>44405351
Just read Warhammer 50 the shape of the nightmare to come on 1d4chan.
>>44411567
They do. The Hive Mind is actually a giant psychic gestalt mind.
>>44405532
I wasn't talking about all life, just that tinged with Chaos, which they should hate.
The new fluff is shit imo.
>>44411651
Warp travel and communications ceases to work when the Tyranid fleets are around. All psykers that have attempted to read the Hivermind have been killed or driven insane. It's too powerful and alien.
>>44411693
Chaos can't seduce an alien intelligence that doesn't even have concepts of martial pride, pleasure and excess, hope or despair. In fact, I suspect the Hivermind overrides anything within the Warp in any given area. The Hivemind could be an alien Chaos god.
>>44411881
>All psykers that have attempted to read the Hivermind have been killed or driven insane. It's too powerful and alien.
Except for that Librarian. And the Emperor who bitchslapped it through some other Librarian. And Slaanesh fucking with it. And arguably all those psykers in the novels who could survive it's onslaught of hunger.
>>44405351
Something something Malal.
>>44412041
"He doesn't exist, shut up about it". (c)
The Chaos Gods get tired of Failabaddon repeated failures and find someone else more suitable to get the shit done. Probably someone with the Imperium,or they bring Archaon to do it.
>>44412088
Aaaww.
Are the Chaos gods inherently corrupt, or was it Mankind and the Elder the ones who make it demonic with their thoughts?
>>44406242
I...actually kinda like the idea of a cycle, although I know some people will immediately explode for the mention of Tau. As all the Ethereals are merged into the...I dunno, Ethereal Enlightened (a repeat purposely done by the Old One who I like to thing are manipulating the Tau), they are capable of enforcing their will on damn near every Tau in the galaxy, imbuing their collective might into them. Farsight's lot, however, are mostly unaffected, because of the lack of Ethereal contact; Tau evolve fast, and have already been "weaned" off of Ethereal control.
As humanity wanes and the Tau wax strong, they pull in the races weathering the storm into their collective, willingly or no, they start to develop such devestatingly powerful weapons that even the Tyranid can't keep up. Massive psychic reflectors installed in space baffle the Hive Mind and splinter the fleets more and more, cut down by the combined weight of the Greater Good with impunity.
Eventually...peace. For now at least, the Tyranid fleets have been blunted, forced to withdraw and consolidate their losses before attacking the galaxy again. Humanity is at its knees, Chaos taking the chance in the crusade to decimate Cadia and plow towards Terra, only to be stopped by the Greater Good. The Eldar are still unhappy, seeing even now the coming storm. What remains of the races in the galaxy are allied to the Tau Empire, a single galaxy-spanning society. Chaos is subdued for now; the great reaping of life, while very profitable for the gods, put a huge dent in their numbers, the Imperium dealing a savage blow in retaliation.
Everything looks great...except Farsight, supposedly forgiven by the Ethereal Enlightened, has the whispers of the Dawn Blade still within his mind. Perhaps it really is a C'tan weapon, and they want to take the fight back against the Old Ones. They've wormed into his body and soul utterly, and he works to make a rebellion.
>>44412268
They're inherently like that. They only became conscious/aware because of the Old Ones vs. the Necrontyr, and were powered up by humanity and other races' violence.
>>44412292
(Cont.)
All the Tau descended from the Enclaves are not directly controlled by the Ethereal Enlightened, and still hold loyalties ultimately to O'Shovah. Emboldened by the whispers of the C'tan, and the gifting of their power and technology, they all rise up as one, looking to strike down the Ethereal to "liberate" the Empire. Cue your Horus Heresy/Farsight Schism which is an event monumental enough to pull everything back down; worlds burn as Tau superweapons purge them of life, Orks and straggler Tyranid are allowed to flourish as all resources go into the civil war, Chaos grows fat on the slaughter once more. The Ethereal is left mortally wounded, which causes all that latent psychic power to leak out, instantaneously causing psychic potential to develop in the Ethereal-aligned Tau. Stabilized only by the technology of the Tau, they become a husk, more of a figurehead than the power they once were. With no Ethereals left and their power scattered through the Empire, yet more doubt and mistrust builds, and so on and so forth.
Of the Emperor? Humanity had to flee Terra in the dying days of the Tyrannic Crusade as Chaos descended on it, and the Empire managed to (mostly) turn the Imperium to their ideals. But even now, within the tarnished and corroded halls of the Golden Throne, servitors enact their sacred duties, and loyal servants fulfill their roles. Nobody knows what's happening on Terra, as the Tau Empire quarantined the whole planet. Perhaps humanity's greatest saivour is poised to reach out and once again bring humanity to the fold...
Well, that's all my spiel. I just got carried away from the idea.
>>44412401
could they be made back to the way they were before that war
>>44412921
That's probably what the Emperor was trying to do by making everyone atheist and killing all the xenos.
>>44412921
Other than killing off all sentient life to cull the source of negative emotions...
The Dimension Forge could placate the Warp on a local (read - only several light years) radius, do we know how exactly it worked?
>>44412981
wait does this mean the Gods in Warhammer were also caused by the war in heaven sense they are the same gods
>>44406411
Yeah but doesn't chaos only corrupt those who could be corrupted? Humans can succumb to temptation but orks and nids don't really give a shit
>>44411430
Chaos can mutate objects and places, not just sentient beings. It's like B movie radiation. Too much exposure and bad things happen.
>>44405411
No, but the Chaos Gods would fade away.
>>44405390
>The galaxy is quiet and empty until sentient life evolves again.
How, with no organic matter to form proteins? No more atmospheres or oceans, either. That would be the Bad End.
>>44406083
That's kind of hilarious actually. Everyone just decides that war sucks and settles down.
Base a whole section of the event around this and I'm happy
>>44405351
The Necrons awaken en mass at the same time the main Tyranid hive fleet begins flooding into the galaxy. Realizing that reigning eternally over a dead galaxy is no fun, the Necrons mobilize to stop the Tyranids. Necrons and Nids neutralize each other.
The Eldar are caught in the middle of the fight as Necrons flood the web-way in their war against the Nids. Cegorach tricks Slaanesh into forcing her way into the web-way via Khaine's gate, to save the race which birthed her and still provides her most satisfying meals. Ancient psionic defenses around the gate rip Slaanesh apart, and the Ancient Eldar gods are released/reborn from her fragments.
Despite the power provided by their reborn gods, the Eldar are still no match for the Necrons. They withdraw from the web way almost entirely, fleeing to Exodite worlds and the Craftworlds. Under the guidance of their reborn Gods the Eldar begin rebuilding their civilization in real-space.
Cipher, guided by desperate fragments of the Emperor's consciousness, infiltrates the Imperial palace via the warp portal in the basement. He sneaks into the throne room and kills the Emperor with the cursed Blade of Luther. This snuffs out the last of the Emperor's life force peacefully, preventing a new Eye of Terror from being created focused on Terra.
This saves trillions of lives, but the Astronomicon goes out, and the Astropaths are now unable to communicate over interstellar distances and are all vulnerable to Chaos. Countless vessels, and thousands of worlds, are lost to the warp as a consequence. Long range warp travel and communications are crippled. Each Imperial sector is now cut-off from all external support. Humanity is at the weakest it has been since the Age of Strife.
>>44418570
The forces of Chaos are shocked and unbalanced by the sudden loss of Slaanesh. Abaddon takes advantage of the confusion to rally the forces of Chaos undivided and declares the Final Black Crusade. He pledges to take Terra and seat himself on the Golden Throne, making himself the Dark Emperor and a new God of Chaos. Cadia falls to his forces and his fleet surges south into the Segmentum Solar. Soon Abaddon's forces are engaged with the Battle Fleet Solar in mankind's home system itself.
However, Chaos is nothing if not treacherous and self-defeating. No sooner are Abbadon;s forces fully committed to the sieges of Mars and Terra than word reaches him that his holdings in the Eye of Terror are being raided by the Red Corsairs of Huron Black Heart. With his supply lines about to collapse behind him, Abaddon must withdraw from the Solar system having gained nothing. Abaddon swears vengeance against Huron, and the Dark Gods delight at the prospect of an eternal war between their two favorite pawns.
While the forces of Chaos fight themselves to a stand still, humanity rallies. Covens of radical Inquisitors have long anticipated the death of the Emperor and the failure of the Astronomicon. Daemons bound to navigation systems and communications arrays are used by some. Others have operated psyker breeding programs for centuries to provide psychic choirs capable of providing warp beacons and communications. These choirs are useful only over a few thousand light years, but it is enough to begin re-uniting Imperial sectors with their neighbors.
>>44418924
With the Emperor gone the Imperium is lost and humanity fragments into smaller empires. Space Marine Chapters, Forge Worlds, Fleet bases; all become the power bases of new empires as the defenders of humanity rally around them. Many radical Inquisitors find their ability to travel and communicate over long distances makes them valuable to many regimes, while their methods cost them the support of others. Without the authority of the Imperium to back them up Inquisitors must play politics very carefully to survive.
In the Ultima Segmentum the baleful glow of the Hadex Anomaly provides a reference point for navigators to guide their ships by, but it slowly eats away at their sanity as they contemplate it. Ultramar becomes the basis of a major human empire, while it's Tau neighbors rapidly assimilates isolated human worlds into the Greater Good. The Fourth Sphere Expansion will double the number of Human worlds under Tau rule, but the defenders of mankind find this vastly preferable to leaving those worlds to the mercy of an Emperor-less galaxy. In time, The Ultramar Imperium and the Tau Empire will even negotiate a formal alliance.
The End Times for 40K simply kicks off an age of high adventure. Humanity is fragmented but surviving. Freed from the oppression of the Imperium mankind can embrace the power of the Warp, continue evolving into a psychic race, and finally update it's technology. New empires are being built and new alliances are being forged. Some worlds will fall to Crusades by fanatical Astartes who refuse to admit the Imperium is gone. Others will make allies of Xenos, or other darker powers, to ensure their survival. The Emperor's final sacrifice will open infinite possibilities for humanity's future.
Also, the Orks keep fighting everyone, so for them this is a win.
>>44405351
>How could GW do it well
They couldn't. It was dumb for Fantasy and would be dumb for 40k.
