So this guy has come to help you fight the elder horrors. Do you accept him?
>>44356649
Let him on the front lines, but be wary of him: I'll have to have a long talk with him... get to know him better, his motives for being with us.
Can't have any traitors among us.
That would be inconvenient.
To fight the abyss, one must know it.
>>44356649
this guy is the broest of bros. Only being slightly edged out by the Man-at-Arms.
>>44356649
SEND THIS ONE TO JOURNEY ELSEWHERE, FOR WE HAVE NEED OF STERNER STOCK
>>44356649
Is he actually in the game yet?
>>44356780
How quickly...
>>44357707
Yes, as of the 30th of November.
>>44356649
I love this guy, but the direction they're taking the game is really alienating me.
>>44358988
>the direction they're taking the game
why? I've not played it in a while
>>44356649
Clearly, he is part of the elder horrors. Let him go firt, everytime. Then, on the end, purge him.
>>44357384
HOW QUICKLY THE TIDE TURNS
>>44356649
Maybe, but right now I'm more interested in that monster thing behind him. Why are they wearing matching chains? Are they in a gang? My mother warned me to be wary of gang activity.
>>44359352
Heart attacks and corpses, I guess. Even though you. Can turn those off
>ITT: Turning tides
I join him, and we proceed to EXECUTE WITH IMPUNITY
Whatever happened to the DD tabletop game? Thought the company was talking about something like that.
>>44357384
HOW QUICKLY THE TIDE TURNS
>>44356649
>this guy has come to help you fight the elder horrors
>looks like a cultist
>has a demon chained to him
>literally an abomination
I purge him like the rest of the monsters
THE WALLS CLOSE IN
THE SHADOWS WHISPER OF CONSPIRACY
>>44361356
>Demon chained to him
>chained to him
Yeah, no. Go actually play the game.
OVER CONFIDENCE IS A SLOW AND INSIDIOUS KILLER.
>>44362059
THAT'S SOMETHING A FUCKING SKELETON WOULD SAY
What's this? Reverse image search isn't working for some reason.
No he may be a traitor but he can betray none in the front line.
FOR MANY FALL IN THE FACE OF CHAOS, BUT NOT THIS ONE, NOT TODAY
>>44362093
Dimmest Catacomb.
>>44359405
>finally found fellow outcasts willing to share a campfire with an accursed freak like me
>for weeks, we fight and bleed together. I save their lives a dozen times
>find a semblance of peace.. friendship. Even family?
>start getting close with the ferocious barbarian woman. She too has rage in her heart.
>finally, we vanquish the ultimate evil. We will be met as heroes! I have never been happier than to finally be.. home.
>suddenly sharp pain, steel piercing my chest.
>turn, see our Crusader. Start to lose consciousness, taste blood in my mouth.
>he leans close and whispers..
>"psshh.. nothin personnel.. kid.."
>>44362093
Poorly-lit cellar
>>44362093
Tenebrous oubliette.
>>44362093
Dingiest Vault
>>44356649
I would accept him.
IF MY FUCKING JESTER STOPS TALKING ABOUT STALLING THE FIGHT.
Continue the onslaught! DESTROY! THEM! ALL!
>>44362093
Shady Bunker
>>44359352
Their latest mechanic, the stalling mechanic.
Really does limit the amount of tactics you can pull during dungeon roaming. The longer you stall a fight by healing your team mates, or buffing your allies.
Someone will complain. Complaining causes stress, and if people complain for at least three times, you get ambushed.
>>44362093
Lightless Labyrinths
>>44362367
>latest
I distinctly remember that being a thing since at least early summer.
>>44362367
...
At least that's not as retarded as corpses.
>>44362380
Well the most updated mechanic then, since I believe they brought that corpse one in autumn.
Seriously, fuck that mechanic.
>>44362410
To their credit, they took the reactions to heart and made it optional.
>>44362093
Darkest Dungeon. On sale on Steam right now.
>>44362392
You can at least turn corpses off, and you can use corpses in your strategy's to mess with melee enemies. The stalling one is just a major fuck you if you ever want more than strategy than, attack, attack, attack.
>>44356649
Poor fellow, he must be freezing! Highwayman, give him your coat. It's not like you have any real claim to it, anyways.
>>44362093
Crepescular Vault
>>44362367
You mean, reinforcements? Because I got two more enemies into the fight after a single round of my highwayman complaining about stalling the fight.
>>44359352
In my opinion, they aren't really making the game "hard" with the latest update. I'll steamroll through a dungeon everytime unless the RNG fucks me over. They need something new.
>>44362673
You fucked up. Somebody already used vault.
>>44362280
>>44362093
el calabozo más oscuro
>>44362452
>>44362461
The problem here is that you either balance for it being on, or it being off. You can't just say "this mechanic that entirely changes the flow of combat is actually totally optional" without basically having two sets of powers.
Having it on a toggle is amateurish and even worse than just it being always on, even if I think that corpses were a shit solution to an existing problem.
But w/e it's not like I actually play the game so...
>>44356780
MORTALITY CLARIFIED IN A SINGLE STRIKE
>>44362691
>reinforcements
>After a single round of complaining
Either they made the mechanic even more unbearable, or that might've happened because some enemies can call for back up
>>44362805
True. it's like a game known for being hard that sometimes advise you to lower your difficulty.
It's downright insulting, both to the devs and the player in the case of optional difficulty, instead of fixing the problem they give the player the option to turn it off, which is rather insulting.
>>44362093
Dingiest Grotto
>>44361356
>This isn't my shield
>>44363345
>his faith isn't his shield
>being this plebian
>>44363345
"The LORD is my strength and my shield"
psalm 28:7
![1430939414058[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0MhLdTW.jpg "1430939414058[1].jpg")
Darkest Dungeon got worse when it went all Long War, went beyond trying to be difficult in a reasonable manner straight into MAGNIFICENT DESIGN!
>>44362093
Dankest Cellar
>>44362805
>>44362850
Multiple difficulties settings in games are not a new thing.
Just because playing on easy would hurt your pride because you're a pathetic manchild, doesn't actually mean that it's insulting to have an easy option.
>>44361356
>>44362087
>>44363391
>>44362093
Ill illuminated gaol
>>443633922ndbest girl. Right afterHelion.
>>44362093
Most Unlumenous Cave
>>44359842
Guy in the foreground can turn into the beast in the background.
>Waaah stalling
Better thyself.
>Waaah corpses
Better thyself.
>Waaah
Better thyself.
>>44356649
Just as long as he keeps to his role of stupid-tanky stunbot.
>people whining incessantly about heart attacks
Do any of you seriously get 200 stress? Ive got the party full of level 6, fully upgraded hamlet, etc and NEVER gotten 200 stress. Acquire fucking expertise.
>>44364631
>abomination
>stun bot
>demoting the strongest character in the game to stun bot
Hell if you load him up with buffs at camp even his stun his fucking lethal.
>>44362093
Blackest Prison.
>>443642812ndbest plague girl. Right afterMona
>>44364705
But he's icky.
>>44364877
Mona is too pure for this world
>>44362093
Gloomiest Gulag
>>44364675
I also have only ever lost one character to heart attack, but I don't like the mechanic simply because it is unnecessary.
When a character goes and becomes afflicted from reaching 100 stress, your combat efficiency goes down by a lot. Sometimes that character ignore your orders or ignores healing, sometimes they even hurt themselves. And no matter how they are afflicted they may waste turns and worse stress out your other companions, which will make them become afflicted eventually too.
Then, rarely, you get a time where the first guy who goes instead of being afflicted becomes heroic instead and saves everything. Now he might just die anyway because he had 200 stress. It's not a good mechanic and cheapens the experience.
>>44362093
Shadowy Sepulcher
>>44365246
Well they have changed the Heart attack mechanic. now it just puts you on deaths door, rather thank insta-killing you.
>>44365246
Also nigga, when they become heroic because of virtuousness, they generally drop something like 60 stress.
>>44366023
Not to mention that Virtuous characters literally cannot go above 100 stress. Guy's talking out of his ass.
The delicious tears of the casual players as the game nerfs every exploitable mechanic in the game.
>>44365246
>virtuous heart attack
Possible never ever.
>>44362093
Scary Town
>>44366080
>casuals
>actually bothering to find / learn abut exploitable mechanics
Try again.
>>44366342
It didn't take a genius or autist to see you could easily just heal up as fights came to a close. Casuals will meta game hard if the mechanics are simple enough to figure out easy loopholes, hence why it got nerfed in the first place and a large number of fans are crying.
>>44366342
It's not about finding and learning, they'll just google that shit after a few party wipes and they realize they're shit.
Most interesting boss fights? I like the Necromancer boss fights for their ancestor memoirs, but the Hag fight is cool because she literally cooks your heroes alive. I'd say the prophet has been the most challenging for me so far.
>>44366531
Strange, Prophet has always been a joke to me, although I've always prioritized teams that can strike all 4 positions. Hag on the other hand has always been a brutal trial for me where I lose at least 1 adventurer
>>44366531
>>44366579
Hardest fight if unprepared is formless flesh by a mile
Whats the strategy to the brigand pounder? Obviously you murder the shit out of matchstick guy but beating the pounder for 2-4 points of damage a turn while you take actual damage is both tedious andstressful
>>44357384
HOW QUICKLY THE TIDES TURN
>>44366609
Bring your beefiest beat-stick. Crusader, MaA, Leper, Rage-Mode Abomination, Hellion, Bounty-hunter paired with someone who can mark, whatever. Then, make sure the rest of your party is reasonably competent at offence, so they can kill and re-kill the match-man while Blast Hardcheese out in front goes ham on the war machine.
>>44367274
Doesn't this still mean that you are banking on letting stabbity and shooter punch you in the dick turn after turn until you lose, because you can only afford to focus on matchstick and the cannon? The cannon has protection way too high for you to kill it in a reasonable amount of time, and the bandits never stay dead. Killing them is just an objectively worse version of stunning them.
Even if you went into that fight with full health, its not hard to see that ending in some dead adventurers. Which fucks you, because ANYTHING that interrupts your finely oiled grind machine means that your chances of the matchstick man surviving a turn goes up, and it only takes one KABOOM to flush the entire mission down the toilet.
>>44356649
Depends, does he have what it takes to put up with the insanity that is an ADD Pseudocatman with railgun powers and an AMAZING horse, a 16-year-old !Scottish pseudoangel who swings a hammer of legend, fears spiders, and has a snek, and a bookish nobleman whose defining characteristic is how much the universe, the dice, and the GM shit on him?
If so, he's golden, if not, he gets wished luck.
>>44367274
>>44369092
Best combo I have found is Houndmaster, Occultist, Highwayman, Hellion. Hellion and Highwayman are match-murderers. Occultist runs mark and heals, and houndmaster is only used to attack the 'pounder. It helps to have the rare spiked collar +33% damage for the houndmaster, he ends up doing something like 10-15 damage per turn on a marked pounder.
EXECUTED WITH IMPUNITY
>>44369991
I'm fairly sure the guy would put up with anyone whit enough common decency to not be openly disgusted by his presence.
So how much content is in this game right now? How long could you play it before beating it you think?
>>44357384
HOW QUICKLY THE TIDE TURNS
>>44356649
If I can accept the Towelhead summoning tentacles and shit, I can accept this sinner too. After all, is it not the sick who need a doctor, not the healthy?I still think making him unable to party with "religious" classes is pointless.
AMBUSHED BY FOUL INVENTION
>>44370165
Then the only one of that bunch who would be a problem is ADD von Railcat. He tends to get a little freaked out by facial deformities, and usually blindfolds himself if Baron LifeSucks removes his mask at any point in time.
Acidic steam does bad things to one's complexion, after all.
Scotch Angel would keep her cool, but probably be not so trusting of him, as her province's human population has had something of a problem with tribes of shapeshifting nomadic assholes before, and old wounds are slow to heal.
>mfw his damage on his fucking stun
That chain whip ain't nothing to fuck with, god damn.
>>44357384
HOW QUICKLY THE TIDE TURNS
>>44364675
Because the heart attack mechanic is fairly binary.
Even after they recently changed it to just put them on DD.
Every adventurer will get a heart attack at 200 stress.
They will never go catatonic.
They will never flee battle, either to the hamlet or possibly to the last room.
They will never do anything just completely out there in accordance with the kind of shit you might expect their character to do.
No.
They just stress out so much that their heart fucks up even though there's numerous ways high stress might impact your character.
Fuck your collector! You ruined my perfectly good dungeon crawl!
>>44370659
this. fucking this. that chain is the best.
>>44356649
god damn i love this game, shame i can never find the general on vg anymore.
>>44370475
>I still think making him unable to party with "religious" classes is pointless.
Jesus christ this. I love only ever being able to use a cultist as a healer, even though he doesn't need it all that much by himself - I like the abomination a lot, the guy is damn solid. Sometimes dat RNG though...
>Level 6 party, with my very favorite Abomination
>Run into group of human bandits, two rifleman and two shankers
>RNG decides that I miss or they dodge all of my attacks for six rounds in a row
>RNG decides that my Occultist never rolls higher than 2 for healing
>He 0 heals then bleeds my Arbalest who was on death's door, who then dies
>Abom with bitchin trinkets dies
>Hellion dies
>Occultist goes insane
That was not a good night.
>>44371536
What's wrong, you don't like an enemy with a ton of health who spawns allies that heal him, Protect him, or apply stupidly dangerous bleeds on your party, all while stressing you the fuck out? That's very silly anon.
>>44371471
>200 stress
>character breaks and legs it, never to be seen again
>turns up in town 2+ days later, with a bunch of drawbacks, maybe some diseases or such from being lost in the weald/cove/etc
I really like the idea
>>44364281
I respect your inferior taste, means more graverobber for me.
>>44372086
>me when stacking them blights with graverobber and doc
>>44364281
Exquisite taste, anon.
>>44362093
Une grotte peu claire
>>44357384
HOW QUICKLY THE TIDE TURNS
>>44372476
Since when did yawp start doing damage again? Or was that an older build?
When I was still playing , best-girl's stun didn't do damage. That made it really easy to drag on fights for 40 turns to get everyone's stress down to zero.
>>44374255
That's an old build, like around the time MaA came out old.
>>44362093
Pitch-black Promenade
>>44364877
who
>>44356649
I'm not sure if I just suck, the new material is unbalanced, or if I just need to run a new file, but the game seems to be just getting harder and harder for me with each new update. I liked the corpse update. I can handle heart attacks. But the intro of the Abomination seems to have royally fucked how I play the game. Namely I feel the new DD penalty is the straw that's breaking my back here. I feel like a Vestal is mandatory part of every run now, which is a shame because I REALLY want to give the Abomination a field test.
I dunno, maybe I just need to git gud.
>>44362367
>>44362410
>>44362461
>>44362730
>>44362805
>>44362850
The stalling change was completely necessary as a means of preventing players from dragging out fights for dozens of turns to exploit easy health and stress healing. It rendered many of the out-of-combat (camp, especially) methods for healing redundant and inferior, and it essentially became an optimal means of playing the game that was also incredibly boring. An optimal method of play that involves clicking on heal buttons for a dozen turns as you ignore a pitiful skeleton slapping your crusader for a few damage is absolutely horrendous and was deservedly dismantled as an exploit. Now it involves some risk in trying to squeeze in a bit more health or stress healing, entirely in line with the decision making the game encourages. The fact that they included it as an option is disappointing solely because it indicates they had so much pressure from casuals that they had to cave in.
>>44366080
\O/
>>44366342
It could barely have been called an exploit simply for how easy it was to discover -- literally the obvious course of action as soon as you learn about healing stress and health in-combat. It trivialised the game to a terrible extent, and takes away from actual decision-making present in the rest of the game's systems dealing with health and stress; it was absolutely a "casual" thing.
>>44362367
This was removed or heavily nerfed a week or so after the inhuman bandage update.
Now you have to actually stall instead of just hitting turn 4
>>44374814
One thing you can do is bring other characters who have smallish heals along with the Abom and Occultist - the Arbalest is great, so is the Houndmaster. My default run is Occultist -> Houndmaster/Arbalest -> Abomination -> Hellion/Bounty Hunter. With that group you've got bleeds or blights depending on need, and the ability to heal multiple times per turn.
The problem with using the abomination is that if you use one, you'll never ever get a group heal of any type - and that's fucking rough when it comes to certain bosses.
Speaking of bosses, that Brigand 12 pounder was a joke of a fight. Kill matchmen, bang on cannon. I think I healed twice the whole fight.
>>44375252
That said, it's shitty and unintuitive that you instantly lose access to healing and stress removal powers because LOL NOT COMBAT. Taking a bunch of poison damage because of a trap when you have someone in the party that can cure posion really hammers home the point.
That's structural though. It's unfixable without going back and rethinking how Stress, Heath and Combat work* and when approaching a release candidate that isn't going to happen. So all you will get is shitty countermeasures to keep people from dragging out fights to spam combat-only heals.
*If I was doing it? I'd cut Stress and Health down a lot and only have them kill if you already have a flaw that puts you at risk of death.
Every time you fill on stress or health track you take a flaw related to the wounds, like a broken wrist, sprained ankle, vicious paranoia, terrified, coughing up blood, ect. Some flaws put you on Death's Door. If your health runs out when you have them you can die.
They can only be healed in camp or town. Health and Stress automatically heal after combat, so you always want to end a fight as quickly as you can.
>>44362093
Murkiest Mortuary
>>44378179
I'd have had healing (in or out of combat) raise stress and then only resting lower stress.
Also, out of combat healing could proc random encounters/surprises.
>>44371799
I fucking hate the collector. especially when he shows up in apprentice level dungeons
>>44375252
>>44378179
If Darkest Dungeon were to be undergo a large overhaul, I'd just remove healing as a whole. I'd replace healing abilities with damage reduction/negation, and buff starting health.
Come to think of it, I'd remove ability-based resource replenishment as a whole. It just takes away from the whole "gradually worn down by sundry horrors until you're a quivering mass of gristle and trauma".
And you get weird conclusions like sending a bunch of dudes to camp briefly in the dungeon to blow off steam, because that's cheaper and faster at relieving stress than letting them drink at a bar for a week.
>>44362367
Stalling has been a thing in the game for a long ass time though I don't know if its been updated recently but, it was always if you took too long on a regular encounter you would get stressed that you couldn't take some regular ass dudes.
>>44362093
Opaque Outhouse.
>>44365246
False, virtuous heroes cannot rise over 100 stress.
