What do you think of true scale space marines?
silly
they just create more scale problems
But that is not true scale
True scale would be another head/head and shoulders higher.
Other than that, in Warhammer I like True scale for decorative armies, I can't comment on the board game side though.
>>44262947
Silly. I really dislike the absurd gigantism every writer is obsessed with. Marines are about 7 feet tall and 3-4 feet wide in armor, which is already enormous. Their figurines were in scale, but plastic guard were too large, messing things up.
Besides, the game is in heroic scale anyway, making scale a thing of convenience anyway. Unless you think regular human hands are the size of a milk jug.
>>44262947
they are already in the game. Now, true scale guardsmen, that I would welcome
>>44263063
just buy forgeworld troops
or the old pewter guardsmen
>>44263063
Yeah, it surprises me that GW didn't use it as a pretext to sell you "kinda tiny Guardsmen, but at Spess Marine prices", or at the same price as previous guardsmen.
They were seemingly happy to sell relatively expensive kinda shrimpy Goblins, Grots, and Gnoblars, so why not Guardsmen, I wonder?
>>44263063
>hey are already in the game. Now, true scale guardsmen, that I would welcome
'Ey guys SM are not in the wrong scale, everybody else is!'
>>44262947
I like them, however converting an entire army of them is slow going...
>>44263157
>everybody
just regular humans, mate
plastic catachans and cadians are on some serious 'roids
>>44263202
SM shouldn't be smaller than Eldar or hunch backed orcs.
>>44263212
They aren't, though. Unless you think their heads go all the way up the helmets.
>>44262947
It creates something different that is intresting.
>>44262981
Space Marines vary in height from 6 to over 10 feet so why does think they are all 7.667788888767 feet exactly and anything else is wrong?
>>44263212
they aren't they're the size of a Ork if upright.
>>44262947
Missing the point, as it's not the marines that are out of scale. Find a marine model that's actually standing straight, instead of the bowlegged pose most of them have, and compare it to FW guarsmen, or the older metal IG models, and it's about as tall as it should be. The problem is that the plastic guardsmen are oversized and marines are usually squatting, which makes them appear smaller than they should be. Making all marines terminator-sized, however, just makes them look more out of scale with most things, especially the already undersized vehicles.
>>44262947
Looks definetely better than the originals
>>44263351
pic related
>>44262947
I've been waiting three decades for people to abandon the gross deformed scale that most miniatures seem to live with.
I understand it was a limitation of sculpting, but it's time to change and to improve.
People call it heroic scale but in art heroic proportions are more like 'true scale' and it grinds my gears.
>>44263339
Space Marines are 7 feet by GW's own admission.
Any major variance is BL not knowing shit like usual.
>>44262947
>true scale space marines
>true scale
>true
>scale
>Confirmed for not knowing shit
The only mini not in scale are guardsmen, who were made larger in their progression from metal to plastic.
Regardless, it's fucking Heroic Scale.
If you're going to complain about 'twu skal mahreens TM' in Heroic Scale then you might as well complain about the sky being blue and fire being hot.
>>44262947
I think that it's a very special kind of retarded to make a truescale space marine without straightening out the legs.
Most of the reason SM feel small is that A: they're standing like they just shat themselves, and B imperial guardsmen minis are absolutely HUGE.
If you convert space marines to stand more upright the immediately look way better, without having to make every vehicle and other mini in your army look tiny all of a sudden.
The biggest issue with the SM minis are the retarded pose, the way too thin thighs/wheedy legs in general and how having a head that's too big, like every other miniature does, make their bodies look tiny. I mean, look at this guy! He looks pretty alright, and it's mostly because he's actually standing up and because his thighs aren't as slim as his arms.
>>44263833
and the firstborns and the tanks
comes to think of it, the better scaled miniature lines are the xenos
even with the tyranids you have their drop pod actually big enough to carry the shit it should and the tervigon with enough scacs to contain the average number of gaunts spawned during a game
>>44262947
Hard to fit through the door.
>>44263023
Small hands spotted.
Marines at the size of Sigmarines would be awesome though.
New (better scaled) plastic guardsmen too.
>>44265395
sigmarines are 30-32mm, not 28 heroic scale
>>44265663
So?
>>44266207
So it's a totally different scale, you doofus. It works for sigmarines because they're forged blah blah blah and full of magic and shit. Space marines are augmented but human. You'd make rhinos look even more absurd if marines were that big.
>>44266395
not just rhinos, all the vehicles.
I love it when someone decides to make a "true scale dreadnought" that ends up the size of a fucking titan.
>>44262947
I like "true scale" in the sense that the model is more proportional in itself, not necessarily that it stacks up to other models. It's more of a cool factor thing than it is any sort attempt of realism.
I always file down my IG quite alot and give them helmets. It makes the SM pop out.
>>44262947
I like them, but they should only be played with the Movie Marines rules
>>44263803
Some marines are taller due to geneseed mutation. Sons of Antaeus are freaking huge.
>>44263023
So their really slightly built then? I'm like 5'6" and about 2 and a half feet wide. 7 feet tall and 3 feet wide would look like a pencil.
>>44266478
I agree with this. Proportionally scaled models would be much nicer.
>>44266601
Is this codex actually balanced and viable?
>Talking about scale in GW
>>44268266
No, its underpowered and shit.
>>44268266
No.
Apart from the laughable idea that GW does anything that can genuinely be called 'balanced', it's several editions out of date from when GW actually put useful articles in White Dwarf.
Viable? Well it'll work still if you use it.
>>44263892
I always thought he'd make a great looking Chaplain.
>>44268533
>"My, my, so much heresy, so little time..."
>>44268533
Thank you for this new conversion
>>44262947
True scale needs to be done properly for it to look right.
>>44263023
Bigger is better. Astartes are supposed to be legendary demigods that inspire awe in those mortals they pass- eight or nine feet fits this way better than a mere seven. Seven feet is only really impressive if you don't watch live basketball a lot.
Also three to four feet wide for a muscular seven foot tall guy makes zero sense.
>>44269286
Three foot wide torso, I mean
>>44263113
>Yeah, it surprises me that GW didn't use it as a pretext to sell you "kinda tiny Guardsmen, but at Spess Marine prices", or at the same price as previous guardsmen.
They do this, Elysians, Death Korps, Steel Legion and 2nd edition guard are all much closer to true scale.
Who cares they're little manlets compared to the new sigmarine poster boys. Maybe when after the 40k end times they'll have a growth spurt.
>>44269286
>Astartes are supposed to be legendary demigods that inspire awe in those mortals they pass
No, they're suppose to be genetically engineered weapons pumped full of chemicals and brainwashing and clad in ceramite to fight the Great Crusade for humanity and then get mothballed.
Everything else is propaganda and kool-aid.
>>44263892
I've always thought these standing Marine officers are the goofiest sculpts. Leg armor just looks made up as they went along instead of a straight version of what the other marines have.
>>44269379
How so?
>>44263386
>post one SM with absurdly elongated pose and a jump pack and one with a tall backpack
Bro, that ork isn't even standing up all the way
>>44269286
>Astartes are supposed to be legendary demigods that inspire awe in those mortals they pass- eight or nine feet fits this way better than a mere seven. Seven feet is only really impressive if you don't watch live basketball a lot.
You're confusing propaganda relating to spacemarines to the facts of Primarchs
>>44269350
No, that's oldhammer you're clinging to that went the way of the dinosaur several editions ago.
>>44263892
The other major problem Marines have is that their thighs and waists are too short in proportion to the rest of their bodies.
>>44268533
He looks like a grimdark santa
> lets have a look at the heresy and not heresy list.
> oh my looks like im going to have a very busy year.
I fucking wished that the "Heroic Scale" cancer hadn't spread to other manufacturers.
GW minis weren't intentionally "Heroic", they literally couldn't do better. In the old days, a properly scaled miniatured made by them would have looked awful. And then they had to kinda, sorta keep the look when they updated shit, for fear of breaking with the aesthetics. That's why scale is fucked up, everyone has baloonheads and ginormous hands, Marines look like they are shitting themselves and don't even start with vehicles.
But worst of all, this retarded shit poisons the well because all the little retards get used to the ridiculously oversized hands and weapons and think miniatures are supposed to look that way. And then amazing miniatures lines are left by the wayside because they look "stupid and off".
Fuck.
>>44269567
It's a lot more impressive when they're also insanely bulky.
>>44271248
1. It wasn't just GW. Plenty of companies had similar scales.
2. There's still companies out there that make even more terribly scaled minis. I just ordered some minis from Dixon and had to dump a few because the scale was so off they made Cadians look good in proportion.
3. It's not always about looks. Sometimes, for example, realistically scales weapons would be flimsy sticks with no detail on a mini.
4. When it's about looks, exaggerated proportions allow more detail to be put into a small model.
>>44271368
Marines weren't made to be impressive, they were made to fight. They were not made to be religious figures or impress plebs.
>>44271502
Look, what I'm saying is that I hate the fucking look of most "heroic" scale minis, GW as the biggest fish in the pond holds up that scale and I want more and better properaly scaled and proportioned minis. I'm mostly just venting and REEEEing about shit I'm frustrated with.
>>44271669
It's called "posting on an anonymous image board".
I'm merely saying GW isn't somehow alone in this, but they are the most notable.
>>44271521
No anon, they were made by Games Workshop to look cool.
Of course GW being fairly shitty modelers when they started out, this didn't work until the third edition when stuff stopped looking like it was made by a child.
>>44269286
>Seven feet is only really impressive if you don't watch live basketball a lot.
Or if the majority who see them are sickly, malnourished five feet even roman-tier manlets.
>>44263339
They should be almost double the height of a Fire Warrior, though.
>>44268266
>>44271920
>No anon, they were made by Games Workshop to look cool.
Just like all their models. Yet none of that calls for the models to be twice as tall as the rest just because fanon. 7 feet is the official number given by GW.
>>44272388
>Fanon
No matter how much you bitch, Black Library is just as canon as all the other stuff in 40K. The word of authors and editors is just as valid as Goodwin's.
The scale going all over the place with marines is so god dam retarded, they should just decide on one and stick with it.
Hell, I fucking remember one novel where one marine was like 10 feet tall.
>>44272388
7 feet feels way too short, I know way too many people who are nearly that tall, it's only impressive if you maybe live in Korea or something.
>>44272476
That's the Black Dragons anon. They're abnormally large and grow giant bone swords from their armors that can cleave (and smite) through power armor.
>>44272476
I like that art.
The location looks like it could be our earth.
>>44269286
>eight or nine feet fits this way better than a mere seven. Seven feet is only really impressive if you don't watch live basketball a lot.
True scale marines are like those crazy /fit/ memes, said without any irony
>"Only seven feet? Manlets. Everyone knows REAL super soldiers should be at least ten feet tall"
What makes marines impressive is their size in general, not just how tall they are Basketball players are tall, but lanky. Marines are broad shouldered and thickly built.
I don't get why people have such a hard time swallowing the fact that they're "merely" seven feet tall.
>>44272476
I like this image because it portrays the "bad guys" as good guys and "good guys" as bad guys.
>>44273153
Because seven feet tall was only impressive when normal humans weren't often reaching that height and being broadcasted on international TV with the extremes of modern Basketball in crystal clear HD. Seven feet is no longer impressive because now the public is extremely familiar with the height. Eight feet is the new seven feet, just like sixty is the new fifty.
>>44273215
But basketball players are hungry skeletons, not human beings.
>>44273273
Only some of them. Some of them have enough muscles to qualify as a shaved wookiee.
>>44273153
Also, that Space Marine isn't even 7', he's more like 7"6.
>>44273479
Yeah, if he stood up straight. Mind, might not be that much once you factor in the shoes and helmet.
>>44273520
Those would only add two inches anon, at most.
>>44273551
I dunno, those are some thick soles.
>>44273572
Swole sole?
>>44271669
Check out some Wrath of Kings minis. I'm assembling some deepmen now and their scale is bang on. Some of the factions have lots of long, thin spikes though, which I'm sure would be dreadfully flimsy.
This fella is 1 and 5/16 inches tall, for reference
>>44265395
Good enough?
>>44262981
>But that is not true scale
>>44275113
The problem with that dumb joke is that the marine in that image isn't even superhuman sized. He's just a tall person. He's smaller and less muscular than existing normal humans such as powerlifters and NBA players.
>>44277085
Generally speaking if you grabbed a bunch of kids from a stone/bronze age civilization prior to or at the beginning of puberty and pumped them full of steroids and HGH while sticking them with a harsh and extensive training regimen they'd wind up being on the short and weirdly proportioned side not only due to childhood nutritional factors but due to the drugs and exercise fucking up their growth patterns.
>>44269567
>propaganda relating to spacemarines
It's literally all over 40k. On the websites, in the advertisements, in every main rulebook, even in non-marine codexes.
>to the facts of Primarchs
As a 30k player, it sounds more to me like you're just some autistic HHfag elitist.
>>44277207
Except the process of creating a marine is repeatedly stated to generate massive muscles.
>>44262947
Meh, really. I hate the realistic look because they just seem so lanky and generally unimpressive compared to the normal miniatures. My favorite conversions is Artscale marines. These pictures were converted from terminators, into power armour. So artscale is amazingly expensive to get into.
>>44277085
Well think of it this way. Sure, a Space Marine is just a tall dude, and some NBA players would be taller and wider, but their bones aren't bullet resistant, and their muscles aren't augmented beyond belief by steroids and vitamins, able to heft weights that would qualify for World's Strongest Man competition finals. Also, if you're not an Imp Fist, you can just spit acid onto said taller person, teach him to be taller.
>>44263892
"LISTEN_HERE_YOU_LITTLE_SHITS.jpg"
>>44263892
>>44268533
So are we just going to ignore the nude flying S&M baby?
>>44277290
Unless you bought old terminators which were like $1 each.
>>44277598
Wolverine is all those things and he isn't imposing due to his small stature. He looks legitimately like one of the weakest mutants when standing next to Beast or Colossus.
>>44272500
Don't be ridiculous, a marine is over a foot taller than an average man.
That is plenty tall enough. Even a six foot six rugby player is going to be hugely imposing compared to normal adult men.
>>44277230
Calm down IMAX, no need to project when the theater's closed.
>>44272573
Nah man, that's tyberos, the carcharodon's chapter master.
>>44273928
what fabulous legs you have
>>44272432
Just keep telling yourself that. GW themselves has marked it as 7 feet not only at their HQ, but has used in other material like last years promotional Christmas ad.
>>44272500
Tall enough to be a genetically engineered soldier.
>>44273520
>if he stood up straight
I calculated it once how much he would gain height if his legs were straight and came to about 1.3 inches.
