>called "White Death"
>505 kills at LEAST within 100 days
>all during winter
>shot in face
>got better lived to 96
>HAS A METAL SONG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5CaQ37VYvw
WHy the fuck does he not have a cameo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4
>>44256003
>shot in face
I think you meant
>Artillery barraged to the face.
You forgot that the Ruskis dragged his body to their camp, where he got better, then gunned down a fuckload of them with a stolen submachine gun.
Or the fact that he didn't use a scope.
Or the fact that he was a fucking farmer
>>44256003
>He was picked up by fellow soldiers who said "half his face was missing", but he did not die
Holy fuck
>>44256069
nah he took a bullet to the face and it took off a good chunk of his jaw and cheek
nigga survived and didnt give a shit
>>44256069
Several artillery barrages and then shot in the face with an exploding bullet.
He killed the Russian that shot him, fell into a coma for about a week. The day after he woke up the war ended.
He's got a song in his honour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5CaQ37VYvw
Also notable: Didn't use a scope because it would have fogged up
>>44256138
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5CaQ37VYvw [Embed]
look at op silly anon
Because White Feather was cooler
>>44256168
That and it made him a bigger target.
You know what this means anons?
We must get writefags to write the 40k version as op stated
>>44256183
Them's fightin' wordsthat I completely agree with
I'll just leave this here.
>>44256319
>anime
>>fucker put snow in his mouth to avoid breath fog
This guy was just insanly awesome
>>44256319
>tanned
>girl
>generic, cutesy art
Japan ruins everything, news at 11.
>>44256244
Lone vindicare assassin sent to thwart a waaaagh on an ice planet. 50 years has passed since his extraction mission failed, 50 years fighting orks with a sniper rifle. The greenskins call him "Da White gitkilla", "Mork's Grot reaper", "BANG!".
>>44256003
Word won't recognize a midget
>>44256003
This guy would be one hell of an Archer in the Holy Grail War.
>>44256544
>GW won't make a squat model
FTFY
>>44256394
>killing the messenger
Anonymous immunity!
>>44256572
>A master sniper is virtually the same thing as a master bowman, they both use long range weapon item slot!
>>44256572
Except for having a mediocre at best NP.
It's just a moist nugget. Good luck against dudes who are immune to attacks below a certain rank like Herakles.
>>44256650
despite the moral dilemma, killing all the junkies in the word WILL actually end the drug problem.
>>44256168
>He was also known to keep snow in his mouth whilst sniping, to prevent steamy breaths giving away his position in the cold air.
Damn.
>>44256003
Oh hi there, /k/
>>44256572
You seem to forget that guns took out the artistry of combat, and therefore took out 90% of the effort people used to put into it. This White Death was a gunfighter, plain and simple, but otherwise he might have enough of a legend to qualify for the Archer slot
>>44256876
>What people actually believe
Guns, if anything, made combat far more complicated.
No longer could your tactics amount to "Get together with a bunch of dudes and just walk forward"
If anything, modern combat is far more artistic than anything to come before.
>>44256719
I think you're lost >>>/pol/
>>44256319
Yet again Japan ruins something that was awesome.
>>44256980
On a grand scale, yes I would have to agree. Tactics have become infinitely more complex than they were in the past. But only on a grand scale. Warfare is no longer about the individual. A man no longer has to look the person he's killing in the eye, no longer has to see the life leave your opponents eyes. It has become much less personal, less a dance and more of a response. But I have a heavily romanticized vision of war in my head, so take that as you will.
>>44256003
>505 kills AT LEAST
A pittance in 40k terms you gotta be on Genhis Khan's level to make it into 40k.
Though I'm surprised he isn't mentioned in Godlike at all.
>>44256980
This. There's only so many ways you can Hammer & Anvil before you've seen them all
>>44257215
You think war should be like your Japaneese Animes got it.
>>44257215
>But only on a grand scale.
So, squad combat is "grand scale"? Hell, even individual combat is a complicated matter. Have you ever seen Enemy at the Gates? Cause watch Enemy at the Gates, it's a good ass movie.
>Warfare is no longer about the individual.
It never was. Wars were not won or lost on the battlefield performance of a single man.
>But I have a heavily romanticized vision of war in my head, so take that as you will.
What you have is a factually incorrect vision of war in your head.
>>44257284
>watch Enemy at the Gates, it's a good ass movie.
No, it's really not.
It's a hollywood as fuck pile of steaming dogshit.
>>44256669
Tell that to the dude chasing swallows.
>>44257215
You've watched too many movies and listened to too many dumb people.
>>44256727
>enemy at the gate stole this trick for bitch boy zaytsev
>>44257215
Do you think that pre firearm warfare was a bunch of duels happening around a vast area like in Spartacus? Or that behind the helmets, shieldwalls and general fast pace of combat you were somehow staring into your enemies eyes?
>>44256003
I heard that he has the most personal kills of any single human in history.
>>44257357
That would be the guys who dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It isn't fair to use them, but it should still count.
>>44256532
I'd buy it!
>>44256003
Because he sniped at frozen raw recruits with shitty gear commanded by the moronic officers who were left after Stalin had all intelligent officers killed. Who confirmed those kills, anyway? All I can find is that Finnish supposedly authorities did. He had no spotter, and no-one else with him most of the time. The whole thing sounds like propaganda, especially since he didn't like to talk about it himself.
>>44257357
The actual claims are hard to verify, but even if you divide his claimed kills in half The Beast of Omaha has him beat.
>>44257403
Butthurt slavshit detected
>>44257403
Few veterans like to talk about killing lots of people.
>>44257403
Same as anything else, impossible to tell.
Point is that even if he killed a fifth of the men everyone claims he did, he's still pretty much a badass.
>>44257398
That doesn't count. Might as well say guys ordering artillery barrages have high kill counts.
>>44257417
never heard of this guy. Guess it makes sense.
>>44256129
His family was informed of his death, he had to call them and tell them otherwise. From a payphone.
The guy is straight out of a Coen's Brothers movie.
>>44257403
Considering Russians were calling in artillery strikes and sending out sniper teams specifically to kill one man he was probably killing lots of their boys.
>>44257469
That's different, the pilots had to manually press the button to drop the bombs
Though even they didn't expect the level of devastation they were about to cause, they were just following orders
>>44256003
>has a metal song
>Sabaton
Nigger Sabaton gave EVERYTHING in WWII a song.
>>44257469
He's a real dude, manned a machinegun on Omaha Beach that had pretty clear lines of fire on landing soldiers.
It's impossible to tell how many people he personally killed, but it is a fact that he was one of the last gunners to keep firing.
>>44257417
Except that Severloh was lying like a persian rug about his kill count.
>>44257469
You've never heard of him because he's a liar.
The grand total Allied casualties on Omaha beach were fewer than 4,000, and Severloh claims to have killed over 2,000 dudes.
>>44257505
Nah I wouldn't count it. big difference dropping bombs and personally shooting hundreds of people.
>>44256532
>"BANG!"
>>44257403
In fairness he was also a farmer with a Russian gun.
>>44257533
Did they actually discredit him? I'd be interested to see if they did.
>>44257422
>>44257435
>>44257436
Nowadays sniper kills are confirmed by spotters, and the spotters have to be quite certain they were kills. This guy was on his own, yet Finnish authorities, which weren't present, claim to have confirmed over 500 kills. That's pretty goddamn suspicious.
>>44257503
It's not like they had his photo and fingerprints or anything, they may well have been chasing a rumour the Finns created to terrorize the Soviet soldiers to fuck with their morale while creating a heroic figure to improve the morale of their own soldiers. It's not exactly unheard of in war.
>>44257544
It's less personal but would you still feel something when you pulled the switch and you saw a city turn to ashes in an instant? That must count for something
>>44257576
>pystykorva
>russian gun
>>44257215
The opponent's eye is the last place you need to be looking with a melee weapon.
>>44257577
The ability to do basic math discredits him.
The 2,000 casualties figure he claims would have him inflicting MORE THAN HALF of the casualties on the entire beach.
It's not even worth consideration as a realistic claim.
>>44257586
Its claimed by some he killed an additional 200 with a machine gun. But do you think the Russian army of all people would care enough about a made up rumor bothering their lads to divert artillery and sniper teams after him?
>>44257621
Oh, most certainly. I do really doubt the whole 2000 kills thing, but if the rest of his story is correct and based on what others have said, it's entirely possible he killed several hundred people, possibly as many as a thousand himself.
I mean, his position was perfect and his bunker was one of the last to be taken out. He was part of a shooting gallery.
>>44257612
Oh really? Then where should you look, o brilliant master of martial combat?
>>44257576
So was Hathcock, and he wasn't shooting at Russian conscripts.
>>44257607
Didnt they give that to him after they heard about all the shit he was pulling?
>>44256003
that guy was on primarch level.
>>44257661
>>44257586
Pretty much every army also paid for confirmed kills those days as a motivator, which also meant that they indeed needed to be confirmed some way or another (in the case of the soviets it was extremely hard for them since their leaders didn't want to give them money, where as american pilots would often all claim the same planes to increase the monetary gains)
>>44257680
I find when I am sparring with people that around the neck works best but I'm not that guy.
>>44257722
No?
He'd be a good Vindicare Assassin.
>>44257763
You sure? I heard he had some crappy gun and they gave him a fancier one at some point.
>>44257674
Oh he likely had a rather high number of inflicted casualties, but it's not impressive. He was sitting in a bunker atop a cliff shooting at dudes getting out of boats with a GPMG. It's like fishing with dynamite. It doesn't matter how many fish you bring home, it doesn't make you a good fisherman.
>>44257680
Roughly upper torso, gives you the best view of their arms and weapon hand and any vital locations you might intend to strike.
>>44257710
Yeah he was a marine shooting rice farmers instead of a random farmer getting his country invaded.
What about this guy? Someone should write a story about a imperial navy pilot inspired by him.
>>44257787
Yes I'm sure
>Häyhä käytti tarkka-ampujan tehtävässään suojeluskunta-asettaan, M/28-30 ”Pystykorva” -kivääriä (sarjanumero 60974)
>>44257680
When Ive gotten into fights I've watched the rest of the body even in the mosh pit at metal shows. Why look at the eyes? Watch his feet,his hands, and the way he moves eyes arent always the biggest tell especially in dimly lit shitty metal/punk bars.
>>44257792
You are correct. But I brought him up only in response to someone saying Sima had the highest kill count of any human in history.
Because 40k is shit, and the need to shove it into everything/everything into it is annoying as all hell.
>>44257792
But you still have a shit ton of fish.
>>44257661
The Soviet army in Finland at the time was like a headless chicken running in circles. Very few competent officers. According to who did they divert artillery after him specifically, anyway? Finnish authorities again? I haven't found any credible sources. How would they recognize him, anyway? "Oh that shot out of nowhere wasn't him, don't aim the artillery. Whoops, this time it's that guy we're looking for, shell away at him". Shit makes no sense to me.
>>44256244
>>44257818
This actually could be a nice project for /tg/.
making 40K characters based on famous war heroes that haven't get their reference in the franchise yet.
We could make a google doc. for it. I just need a name for the project.
>>44256319
>>44257809
NVA regulars were actually a pretty solid fighting force, although their equipment was kinda mediocre. Arguably more of a respectable fighting force than the Russian military during the Winter War when you consider how much of a shit show the Russians were running at the time.
>>44257864
It's okay Ivan, it's all in the past now, no tears tonight
>>44257903
Project: Immortalize
>>44257864
I dont know man maybe its the way every single record of him mentions the soviets tried to do him in with artillery barrages? I cant read russian, maybe they have it in some reports somewhere.
I dont see why its so hard to believe, you yourself say they had shitty leadership and the Russians are known for numbers in their army. Simo probably wasnt even the only guy out there with a three figure death count.
>>44257940
MAKE IT
>>44257909
>Arguably more of a respectable fighting force than the Russian military during the Winter War
You shouldn't eat shrooms and then try to engage in a debate m8. Or perhaps you consider small yellow men in pajamas as more threatening than a whole shit-ton of tanks and planes coming at you.
>>44257909
The marines are are arguably a more respectable fighting force than Finnish moose farmers too.
>>44257963
You do know the NVA were being supplied by the Russian army with tanks and planes, right?
And they were pretty good with them?
Hell, the NVA's airforce kicked the shit out of the USA's force.
>>44256183
So that's why the snipers in X-COM do that gay-ass arm pose with each shot.
>>44257963
>NVA
>pajamas
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
>>44257940
>>44257958
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14tGFnsZ6RvjRbZmjPHSgTEvlVPuvTCZZRj7JbZ-C3oE/edit?usp=sharing
go nuts.
>>44258035
It's an effective way of stabilizing the rifle, yes.
Hell, it's a common position taught to hunters.
>>44257963
>NVA regulars
>men in pajamas
I know reading comprehension is hard, but really?
The actual North Vietnamese military (not the fucking VC, their regular military) was actually quite competent, and had tanks and planes that they got from guess where. Russia.
The North Vietnamese Air Force kicked the shit out of the USAF and USN during the early days of the war. It's why Fighter Weapons School exists, because somebody in the Navy command wised up and realized "we're losing pilots like crazy 'cause our missiles suck dogshit but our pilots don't know how to dogfight when the missile doesn't work" and set about fixing it.
The NVA regulars were actually pretty god damn good.
>>44258029
>Hell, the NVA's airforce kicked the shit out of the USA's force
Sorta. They had the advantage early in the war, but the US started teaching pilots to rely less on missiles. Tho the NV AAA systems were a big problem throughout the war.
>>44258029
>>44258128
>argues with memes
>gets mad when memes are used against him
ayyyy
>>44258128
>The NVA regulars were actually pretty god damn good.
I think you're kinda overselling them. Were they a semi-competent, disciplined fighting force? Absolutely. But they weren't anything special.Hathcock is still the best
>>44258207
Must be pretty bad to have lost to nothing special.
Also plenty of people managed more kills than that. In Vietnam even.
>>44257953
Doesn't matter how many are repeating something if it all originates from one or a few untrustworthy sources. The only source I've found is one that couldn't logically know what it claims to know. Simo was alone. Nobody could have confirmed his kills. The Finnish authorities still claimed they had over 500 conformed kills. The only way it could be true is if Simo had accurate knowledge of time, location, number, and where the bullet hit, and Russian sources corroborated his claims. I haven't found anything about that, maybe such sources exist but until I or someone else find them there is no reason to believe in Simo's legend.
>>44257403
>>44257586
>>44257864
Christ Ivan chill
>>44258282
>Must be pretty bad to have lost to nothing special.
We could discuss the socio-political factors that made the US withdraw from Vietnam, but it's late and I'm tired. Rest assured however, it is not because the PAVN was particularly oper8er.
>>44258280
PROJECT IMMORTALIZE
>>44256003
sounds like the vindicare
>>44258282
>muh kill count
Kill count does not a sniper make. It's about the fieldcraft. The ability to disappear into the bush, to make yourself invisible. The patience to sit in one spot for days at a time, waiting for the perfect shot. Hathcock is acknowledged as having been a MASTER of that shit.
And if we wanna talk about "sick 360 quickscope bruh" bullshit, he's the only confirmed real world instance of somebody actually killing another sniper through their scope that I'm aware of. Saw the glint off the other guy's glass, shot at it, put it through the scope.
>>44258450
Pretty much exactly this.
You can teach anyone to shoot well, but real sniper work is insane.
Hathcock's most famous moment involved him killing a single dude, but by god was that kill insane.
>>44256876
While getting a lot of kills with a gun is easier than getting the same number of kills with a sword, at a certain point you just hit the same level of legendary status regardless of what you were using.
>>44258314
When you consider the numbers of soviet soldiers there were its not really that hard to believe one man killed so many. Whats off about it? He killed a lot of guys? They were poorly trained and led along with not being used to the climate, they would have been easy picking. Plenty of people have kill counts in the hundreds.
>>44258450
>>44258491
it should be noted that when people tried to replicate shooting through a scope they weren't able to pull it off. As far as I know the bullet gets sent off away from the guy or something i dont know.
>>44258533
It should also be noted that it's not something he did on purpose. He just saw the glint and fired, it was absolute luck that it went through the scope.
But that's not the kill I was talking about anyways.
>>44258506
It's one of the highest cpunts in history, of course it's hard to believe in the face of dubious evidence. I'm not saying it didn't or couldn't have happened, just that I can't find any good source. If I find pne it'd be another mattee.
>>44258491
>Hathcock's most famous moment involved him killing a single dude, but by god was that kill insane.
What kill was that? The down-the-scope?
>>44258584
No.
>During a volunteer mission days before the end of his first deployment, he crawled over 1,500 yards of field to shoot a high-ranking NVA officer. This effort took four days and three nights, without sleep, of constant inch-by-inch crawling. Hathcock said he was almost stepped on as he lay camouflaged with grass and vegetation in a meadow shortly after sunset. At one point he was nearly bitten by a bamboo viper, but had the presence of mind to avoid moving and giving up his position. As the officer exited his encampment, Hathcock fired a single shot that struck the officer in the chest, killing him.
He then crawled back out the same way while the NVA was running patrols to find him.
>>44258580
I still think the sniper teams and artillery should be all the proof anyone needs. As for how the Russians knew it was him, I haven't a clue. How did the NVA know Hathcock was the one fucking them up all the time?
>>44258533
That's not actually his most impressive kill, it's just one of those things that happened, a one in a billion lucky shot combined with being a bit faster on the shot than the other guy.
>>44258584
His most impressive kill is generally agreed to be the one a few days before the end of his first deployment, and the only time he took the white feather out of his hat.
A high-ranking NVA officer was known to be in a certain location. To get in position for the shot, Hathcock had to cross around 1,500 yards of open meadow, with only high grass for concealment. Over the course of four days and three nights of constant, slow crawling, pulling himself along with his fingertips. At one point during the crossing, he was nearly stepped on by a hostile patrol shortly after sunset. At another point he was nearly bitten by a bamboo viper. But he reached his position, the officer stepped outside, the officer caught a round of 7.62 real fuckin' nato in the chest, and Hathcock crawled back out the same way.
>>44258635
that's some Big Boss shit right there
>>44258649
Not that Anon, but counter-snipers and artillery are par the course when it comes to the average sniper, the same as a 300 kill god of death. So the Ruskies trying to take him out doesn't mean anything.
>>44258649
Hathcock wore a white feather pretty much the entire time he was in the field, and he was pretty famous for his tactics(such as shooting the second man in a patrol).
There's also the fact that locals would have supplied them with intelligence about Hathcock.
>>44258649
That in no way lends credence to his kill count.
>>44258635
>>44258450
Let's not forget that Hathcock also directly lead to the development of the modern heavy sniper rifle, by building this thing and knocking motherfuckers over at 1500 yards with it.
>>44258978
I don't think putting a big scope on an anti-materiel/anti-tank rifle is a huge innovation.
>>44256003
Go home mongolian, you are drunk
>>44260137
Using it to shoot people at a longer distance than possible with conventional rounds kinda was, actually.
>>44257680
collarbone
>>44256003
Fluff writers thought it would be too over the top and ridiculous for the 40k universe.
>people still thinking that his exploits weren't exaggerated at all
>people still thinking that it isn't basically propaganda
>>44257215
>I have no clue what the fuck I'm talking about on any front
A basic training E-1 in the Air Force could disprove you.
>>44256003
Give that man a Purity Seal!
>>44256572
Assassin would be a better fit.
>>44260881
Not really. Hayha was a "sow chaos" sniper, not a "pick off HVTs" snipers.
>>44260812
I didn't know Russians watched Steven Universe.
It's just been revoked!
>>44256102
>You forgot that the Ruskis dragged his body to their camp, where he got better, then gunned down a fuckload of them with a stolen submachine gun.
Damn I never heard about that part.
>>44257680
People who don't leave their basements really shouldn't get snarky about what to do in a fight.
Häyhä operated the entire Winter War in a very small sector of the Karelian Isthmus in the Kollaa Front. It was only like 30 km wide and finns had bit over one division there so not exactly hordes of Finnish snipers running around.
>>44261000
this. people don't know what the fighting was like
>>44256572
>>44256876
>>44257215
Oh boy it's this debate again that comes up every time Type-Moon is brought up. It's pretty much copypasta bait at this point.
See, the creator of Fate/Stay has said that people famous for using guns cannot become heroic spirits. This doesn;t mean that Heroic Spirits cannot use guns, or that people who used guns cannot be heroic spirits (William Teach is a Rider for instance, his 'mount' is his goddamn ship). But people who are famous FOR the gun, cannot become Heroic Spirits. They can at best, be the gun itself, IE a Weapon with a spirit. So floating out there somewhere is a Moist Nugget that is literally the embodiment of Simo Haya and it probably never misses. But Simo Haya himself cannot be a Heroic Spirit.
This of course makes people MASSIVELY BUTTHURT, and devolves every thread into people arguing "but thats stupid" vs "but thats what the creator said" vs "BUT THATS STUPID" vs "YES BUT THATS WHAT THE CREATOR SAID"
>>44261120
It is pretty stupid.
>>44261131
Okay, let's have an HGW.
I summon Paul Tibbets as Rider.
Nuke the city, then go in with hazmat suits to get the Grail.
GG.
It exists entirely to prevent every fan discussion from devolving into "lel Simo Hayha/Carlos Hathcock/insert sniper of choice here as Archer, I win".
Of course it's irrelevant anyway, since the "thinning" of magic across the greater human populace essentially prevents new Heroic Spirits from happening anyways (Counter Guardians are a completely different beast).
>>44261160
>Paul Tibbets as Rider.
The B-29 and the nuke it carried are different devices. I don't think he would get to have both.
>>44256003
Because most non-/k/ people don't know or care about him.
>>44261131
Yeah, it is, but it's probably because of Japanese censorship rules and culture. Things are kinda reversed in the rest of the world from the US, where GUNS and violence are AOK but sex is verboten. Meanwhile in Nipnongland, guns are verboten but sex is AOK. Especially if it's a loli whose totally 18 guys.
>>44261160
Except ironically Heroic Spirits can come from the Far Future too. So basically it's just the NOW that sucks, apparently.
Anyway you want Heroic spirits with guns, go for people like James Bowie or Magoichi Saika
>>44261182
Even a B-29 without a nuke would be pretty strong, those things had mounted underwing ball guns right?
>>44261182
That doesn't follow at all.
Excalibur and Avalon are different items, and yet under normal circumstances Saber would have them both.
>>44260833
>A basic training E-1 in the Air Force
I think anon already can sit on his ass all day.
>>>/cracked/
>>44256003
>doodz look at this guy he's liek so badass and stuff why isn't he in muh 40k!
School holidays already?
>>44261195
>Far Future
Ato Em as Saber when?
>>44257496
How did that went? His jaw was removed.
*ring*ring*
Hello
*gurgle**gurgle**cack!*
What?
>>44261300
Who?
>>44257496
>from a payphone
The dude sacrificed his jaw for his country and they can't even let him use the phone for 5 minutes.
Also from the wiki :
>Nonetheless, he made a full recovery and became a successful moose hunter and dog breeder after World War II, and hunted with the Finnish President Urho Kekkonen.
>Kekkonen
kek
>>44256653
You could not miss the point any harder.
>>44257680
Everything but his face. You can't stab someone with an angry glare can you?
>>44260661
[citation needed]
>>44261120
>japs still mad their katanas couldn't defeat machine guns and rifles
Stay mad, nips, stay forever mad.
>>44260935
I dont think that part append but the rest is true, he killed about 1/10th of Russians army in Finland.
>>44262645
Nobody but Jews and Americans are butthurt about WW2. "Remember Pearl Harbour" has no Japanese equivalent.
>>44256069
no he was artillery barraged and then shot in the fact
the artillery missed
>>44262689
>WW2
I'm talking about the end of the shogunate as the medieval Japan was forced to open up to foreign trade and influence by 19th century militaries. But thanks for participating.
>>44262689
>Nobody but Jews and Americans are butthurt about WW2. "Remember Pearl Harbour" has no Japanese equivalent.
No, the Japanese equivalent is "Remember Pearl Harbor" followed by lots of laughter.
>>44262689
>"Remember Pearl Harbour" has no Japanese equivalent.
I mean, aside from all those not!nukes in their fiction.
>>44257284
>Have you ever seen Enemy at the Gates? Cause watch Enemy at the Gates, it's a good ass movie.
Opinion discarded
>>44262689
True, that's because Europe is to busy being butthurt over WW1.
>>44261120
>"YES BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CREATOR SAID"
That's nice but he's a fucking idiot and I see no reason to care what he thinks.
>>44262689
>don't even acknowledge WW2
>nukes are worse than Hitler in fiction
>denial of war crimes and just general bullshit they did
>not butthurt at all
>>44262836
Take your plebe taste to /tv/, there's some baneposting going on there for you.
Patricians are discussing things here.
>>44256003
He does.
>>44260812
>>people still thinking that it isn't basically propaganda
You're thinking Zaytsev(sp?)
>>44262689
The japanese cultural identity was so fucked up after ww2 that their cultural form of animation is almost exclusively about white people pretending to be japanese. There are nuke references everywhere.
The japanese government is still denying japanese war crimes.
>>44256003
Because few things are as lame as 40k cameos
>>44262909
I rest my case.
>>44262892
>>44262937
Everybody and their mother are denying war crimes. Well, except Germany
>>44261131
You're forgetting where this is the universe where King Arthur is a woman. Not only him, though.
>Mordred
>Nero
>ODA NOBUNAGA
>DaVinci
How did King Arthur have Mordred with her sister? Merlin gave her a futa penis. I wish I was joking.
Also Gilgamesh was a white and blond haired without so as much as a beard and Enkidu is a trap.
The entire Fate Series is a fucking joke. Enjoy the setting and the concept, but not the actual lore. Especially since the entire concept of the story is setting up all these rules, just for one motherfucker to come and ruin them.
>>44263025
Epic meems
>>44263084
This. Fate is pure , undiluted cancer
>>44257284
>Wars were not won or lost on the battlefield performance of a single man.
Hm.
No.
>>44256319
This thing made me so mad when i read it
>Genderbent Häyhä
>Called "White Witch" instead of "Death" for no good reason
>Doesn't even focus on the character, but on some random girlyboi that tags along with her
>For some fucking reason a high ranking officer is a dark skinned spiky haired brat with a cross scar on his face
>Doesn't even closely follow what actually happened
>And as a pet peeve none of the soldiers, Russian or Finnish, wear proper gear
>>44263084
This. Does nobody remember that this was a porn VN where "magical power" was provided through hot dickings?
Fate is retarded, and that its fans take it so goddamn seriously make itpretty much the closest thing /a/ has to 40k.
>>44263329
Oh and how Attila the Hun is also a woman. Yknow. The guy who has a major population of Asia related to him.
>>44263402
That just requires one extra step for a woman: Have some promiscuous sons.
Attila the Hun's mum has even more people related to her.
>>44263402
She must have a vagina the size of the Grand Canyon.
>>44256572
Or not, because Japan Hates Guns Reasons that have retarded in-universe explanations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni
What about Larry, nobody hates communist more than him, joining 3 armys just to kill more reds.
>>44256876
Anyone who talks about the "artistry" of combat is a weeaboo, or simply has never been in an actual fight in their lives.
There were no "epic heroes that could kill ten men alone and surrounded", and combat has always been bloody, messy, and vicious, even in Japan.
Japan started to romanticize close combat after centuries of samurai NOT fighting in actual wars during the Edo Period, whereas when they did we have records of them using dirty tricks like leaving a sword or spear or arrow in a warcamp latrine over night so the blade would become covered in shit and piss, then turning all soldiers wounded in the fight the next morning highly likely to get tetanus and slow down the enemy.
>>44263402
That would be Genghis Khan. Attila was mostly in Europe.
>>44261120
It makes people butt hurt because it's basically the author saying "guns aren't cool, Japan likes melee weapons only", and then going and deliberately devaluing the heroism of people who accomplish a lot with them even though in real life they probably accomplished a lot more then most historical war heroes,
Japan masturbates the FUCK out of melee combat as a culture, which is fairly ironic since up until the Edo Period they were incredible pragmatists about it.
>>44257864
They probably realized there was an area where their soldiers dropped dead ir went missing and came to the sensible conclusion of snipers in the area. Then came the barrage fire.
>>44256183
"I like shooting, and I love hunting. But I never did enjoy killing anybody. It's my job. If I don't get those bastards, then they're gonna kill a lot of these kids dressed up like Marines. That's the way I look at it."
>>44263505
>Anyone who talks about the "artistry" of combat is a weeaboo
>>44263603
Usually front line soldiers don't come up with good quotes (they can be funny all the time, but quotable? not so much), but this is a great one.
>>44263607
Glad you agree.
>>44263634
Why would someone talking about "artistic combat" be a weeaboo?
If they talked about grorious nippon steel, now...
Lvl 100 bard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Millin
>>44263714
I find weeaboos tend to think actual fights are/were artistic somehow.
I don't think it's actually inherent to the type of fan; it's basically just inherited from anime that extol the virtues of melee over the gun or bow.
If more anime were like City Hunter I'm sure they'd talk about guns the same way, but though Japan has a modern weapons fandom it's culture fetishizes melee combat (especially fencing) quite a bit over firearms, partially due to the near-lack of them in the country and partially because of stuff like the Hagakure published centuries ago.
There's nothing wrong with being completely wrong about something though; everyone is at some point (arguably at EVERY point) in their lives. The only wrong part is when you're wrong and refuse to admit or re-address your incorrectness because you're stubborn and/or don't want to appear stupid.
>>44257232
The khan became a daemon prince.
Your overshooting bud
>>44263505
>Anyone who talks about the "artistry" of combat is a weeaboo
>Japan started to romanticize close combat after centuries of samurai NOT fighting in actual wars
Yurup did the same thing, surely you remember that Don Quixote was a parody.
The very term "art of war" is from a book of the same title by Machiavelli ya dingus.
The Sun Tzu translation was named after it.
>>44263132
Hm. YES.
One man cannot win a war. I reference Simo himself, who, in spite of being the single deadliest soldier in history, with a confirmed kill record almost THREE TIMES that of the next best (a Russian named Klaudia Kalugina, also a sniper, with a kill record of 257), was on the LOSING SIDE.
Finland lost. They surrendered, and lost 10% of their land and about 30% of their economic power.
Hell, take Simo out of the equation and the picture is the same. Russia invades, gets bogged down in the snow due to excellent defense-in-depth and horrible leadership but acquits themselves with sheer material and manpower advantage, and accepts a treaty of surrender over finishing the invasion to save their hides.
No war, perhaps even no BATTLE, has ever hinged upon the combat prowess of a single human being. War is too big for one man.
>>44263981
Wasn't arguing that Europeans didn't, because they did, totally. They under the "never been in a real fight" part of my original post, which you can re-read for clarification since you seem to need it.
Just saying that weeaboos (not Asians, specifically weeaboos) nearly ALWAYS do, mostly because of the nature of the anime culture they fetishize.
It's less common then it used to be these days; guns are getting more popular in anime again thanks to the notable success of a few series that feature them heavily.
>>44264175
Well, maybe strategic prowess can heavily influence something one way or another.
But yeah, not pure physical strength and skill; the gradient of difference between even very strong and fast human beings and normal ones versus how easy we are to kill just isn't large enough.
You can be the strongest, fastest man alive and you'll still be vulnerable to having your skin torn open and bleeding out and your physical build still leaves you vulnerable to being surrounded.
He always reminds me of a shitty Cracked article about cool soldiers. There was a black American soldier who showed bravery in combat, and killed many enemies. The papers dubbed him "Black Death", for obvious reasons, and probably also because the Black Death is already a known concept. Yeah, who would have thought?
Of course, the Cracked SJW's complained about the racially motivated nickname, and stated that no-one would ever call a white guy "White Death".
You know, unless you remember the most well known sniper in the world.
>>44264175
Lost, but got to keep their independence. Actual goal was to invade the whole country under under the guise of securing St. Petersburg. Also, the the payment of war reparations boosted the economy, as new industry had to be built.
>>44258450
I think I should mention that the quickscope thing was complete dumb luck (he himself described it as dumb luck). He saw a glint, fired a snap shot in his opponents direction and shot through his opponents scope. Of course, that meant that if his lucky shot didn't work he would have been dead because to hit someone through the scope they have to be looking directly at you through said scope.
>>44264307
Indeed, Finland acquitted themselves amazingly well. However, my point was that this would have happened regardless of the presence of Simo Häyhä.
>>44264300
His nickname came from his camosuit rather than his skin color, but i see the point.
'sides who gives a fuck if a black guy is called Black Death when the game is given in fear and respect rather than mockery. And even then who gives a fuck, the guy probably won't lose a night's sleep or become a worse soldier for it.
>>44262645
But actual samurai fucking loved guns.
See everyone's reaction to the Takeda cavalry getting fucking slaughtered.
>>44264371
There WERE ones who didn't like them.
But they all got killed by the ones who did.
Because being "mosuto honoraburu!" doesn't win you wars.
>>44257985
Moose farmers are better educated for starters
>>44264367
The thing is, if he were sniping in Africa among blacks, the name definitely would have been because of his skin colour. That's sort of how being a minority works.
Hell, how many SJW's do you see complaining about the word "Mzungu" being offensive? I'd bet my left nut most of them have never even heard of it.
>>44264422
Samurai were a LOT less concerned with that stuff during that time period.
In fact the term "Bushido" wouldn't even be a thing for almost three centuries AFTER the samurai stopped fighting wars, and while there was a "warrior code" it was vague and undefined and mostly revolved around being obedient to your lord and valorous in combat, which aren't particularly unique virtues since it's found in every culture with professional soldiers ever in human history.
The near-suicidal (or literally suicidcal in some cases) obsession with honor and face came during the centuries-long peace of the Edo Period when samurai were increasingly useless since there were no wars and frequently had no other job skills but combat, leading to obsession with personal honor and face and a desire to die in combat because a lot of them felt they had nothing left to look forward too since many didn't have the skills the military government needed and so were kinda useless.
There's even a word for samurai who went around literally attacking random armed passerby ("tsuji-giri"), effectively committing serial murders in the hopes of testing their skills and dying in bloody combat as they were taught they were supposed to do.
>>44264484
You don't because the loud parts of SJWs will scream bloody murder how you can't be racist towards white people which they should see in hindsight how it would be turned against by saying either "So you recognize white people to be above this whole race debate" or "So you see white people to be lesser humans and thus more akin to animals, making it even more racist".
>>44257787
They gave him a proper sniper rifle taken from a dead soviet sniper as a reward, he took it, still continued to use his own rifle.
>>44264557
Not surprising. For one, it was the gun he knew, and why in the fuck would he STOP using something that worked so well? For two, it had a scope, and he didn't like scopes. They prevent you from reloading as quickly, they have that annoying glint thing that gives away your position, and they need to be cleaned, cared for...nah.
>>44263981
>The very term "art of war" is from a book of the same title by Machiavelli ya dingus.
You realize that the Art of War is primarily about winning wars, and doesn't even touch on combat, right?
As in, it's all logistics and politics.
It's an "art" as in the art of cheesemaking, a craft to be learned and mastered.
And yes. Don Quixote is a parody, meanwhile most weeaboo shit is completely serious...
Himo Säyhä
Slot: Elite, Point cost: 75p,
WS2 BS5 S2 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7 Sv5+
Wargear
Sniper Rifle, Turbo Penetrator Rounds
Special Rules
Stealth, Shrouded, Move Through Cover, Fearless, Loner, Killer Unseen
Loner
This unit can not join or be joined by other models.
Killer Unseen
At the start of the game, instead of placing Himo Säyhä on the board, place up to three markers in different pieces of terrain using Infiltration rules, then write down which of the markers is the real position of Himo Säyhä. All markers must be able to draw LOS to the same enemy unit. Keep the markers in play until Himo Säyhä moves. When Himo Säyhä moves, replace the chosen marker with his model and remove the other markers from play.
Himo Säyhä has a cover save of 2+ (this includes bonuses for Stealth and Shrouded) until he moves.
>>44261239
But the airman can actually pass a PT test.
>>44257215
Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics.
>>44256003
Marlon Brando, he's lumped in with all the other badasses.
>>44256319
Tau player detected.
>>44256102
>You forgot that the Ruskis dragged his body to their camp, where he got better, then gunned down a fuckload of them with a stolen submachine gun.
Goddamn, what did the Russians do do him to make him so angry?
>>44257606
Seeing the person you just shot and killed is pretty gnarly. Especially if they are still gurgling or sucking in their last minute of breaths.
Ive never dropped a bomb before, but as long as you dont see the persons body, or god forbid get to them while theyre still alive, it cant be that bad.
>>44258533
Most of the attempts to replicate the feat don't use the correct fixed magnification POSP style scope, substituting a more mechanically complex modern optic.
A POSP has two lenses, and a flat plane of glass for a reticle, the Bushnell 3-9 that Mythbusters used for their attempt had 5 lenses and an adjuster mechanism to change their physical relationship in the tube.
It's no wonder they had trouble replicating the shot.
>>44265287
Invaded his country?
People do nasty stuff to defend their countries
>>44257818
I see your Hartmann and raise with a Carius.
>>44265231
>knowing that there's a girl Hayha manga, because you saw it at a store one time makes you a tau player
This sort of leaps in logic must make you an Eldar player then.
>>44265287
They invaded his country.
What he accomplished was pretty impressive but as a person his motivations were pretty boring; he just wanted to serve his country.
He just happened to be really good at killing people in his favored environment.
>>44265323
>Seeing the person you just shot and killed is pretty gnarly. Especially if they are still gurgling or sucking in their last minute of breaths.
I actually work as forensic's analyst for my city's local PD; shot corpses are fucking gross as hell most of the time and Hollywood tends to underplay just how messy gunshot injuries are, especially since hollow-points are fairly common.
With larger-caliber rounds they can look REALLY fucking chewed up too, it's pretty gross stuff.
>>44265417
>He just happened to be really good at killing people in his favored environment.
It also helped that during the time he was actively serving, the Russians didn't have snow camouflage. They stood out really well against the environment, which makes things a hell of a lot easier for a sniper.
>>44263505
>There were no "epic heroes that could kill ten men alone and surrounded"
There were, you just dont see them much. And usually you find them on bridges.
>>44265383
His autobiography is one of the worst ive read , its all "oh hey guys i never saw any atrocities so they didnt happen, and hey we were the good guys!"
aside from that, its also just really dull. Rudel's and von Luck's are , for example, far superior
>>44264300
And you live in the snow.
>>44262645
In fairness in that same series people use guns to ruin face. Lancelot show how OP machine guns would be if they were just able to hurt spirits.
>>44262689
The Chinese sure still are, but mostly for when the government needs something to fan the flames of discontent away from them.
To a lesser extent, also both Koreas.
>>44261120
Isn't Billy the Kid a possibility for Archer, canonically?
>>44265697
Cowboy guns are probably old enough. Fate magic shit is chock full of loopholes. I'm pretty sure one of the stories has a magical robot thing that is basically full of guns.
>>44256003
Because 40k isn't really about accurate historical references.
>>44265681
The Koreas are a lot less asshurt then the PROC is about it.
Except the PROC isn't REALLY hurt about it at all; in fact, once Chairman Mao himself spoke publicly and he thanked the Japanese Empire for invading, because the Democratic forces that now occupy Taiwan exhausted themselves fighting the Japanese and allowed what became the PROC to swoop in and defeat them after mostly sitting out the war, establishing China's current government.
>>44256669
>Good luck against dudes who are immune to attacks below a certain rank like Herakles.
Archers tend to get past that limitation pretty easily if they have that range advantage.
>>44265795
>Archers tend to get past that limitation pretty easily
By having some crazy legendary OP ranged weapon as an NP.
Simo would have... a moist nugget. Nothing special or amazing about it. One of the cheapest, most common rifles on the planet. The only legend they have around them is that they're cheap, fun, and god damn near indestructible.
>>44261195
>So basically it's just the NOW that sucks, apparently.
To be precise, what sucks is what we know because it's demystified. The past you can explain with magic and miracles, the future with technology and unknown developments. The future you can't. You have the worst of both worlds.
>>44265832
Fake assassin didn't even have a NP and he managed fine.
>>44261411
>>Kekkonen
>kek
He was one of the best presidents we had. This fucker diplomatized the shit out of russia to never attack us again. We still don't know how.
>>44261216
>yet under normal circumstances Saber would have them
Avalon was found by the Einzberns in Cornwall(?) and didn't pop out of nowhere nor would it if it wasn't.
>>44265868
He probably just looked at them and pointed at simo's ugly face.
>>44265868
wasn't it by making Finland a soviet satellite state in all but name? Not being a dick, I just legitimately thought that's what happened.
>>44258978
>Hathcock eventually picked up the hobby of shark fishing, which helped him overcome his depression.
>shark fishing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock#Career
>>44265938
He had good taste, some shark taste really good.
>>44263084
>>44263099
>>44263329Real spoilers in tags.
The thing with Fate is that the music, the setting idea, the aesthetics, the characters themselves are good enough to make it worth it to read. The story, altough at times nonsensical, is carried well enough by emotion alone. When I played through the Fate route, I was in tears because ofSaber dying, not because it made sense, but because of the way it was done. At the end of it, in the epilogue, the same thing happened because ofSaber and Shirou reuniting because I genuinely thought Nasu would just leave it at them never seeing eachother again, but Shirou would still remember, like Archer says in the UBW route..
Sure, the rules are cancer and so are the people who argue that they're not.
>>44257985
>arguably
Anon, I'm Finnish.
Moose farmers are weird as fuck.
>>44261120
Most of the time it's just some butthurt /k/ommando. Hell, they were super butthurt abou Heavy Object
this thread in a nutshell:
>this Finnish guy could not have done all this, it's propaganda
>this American sniper totally did all this stuff because he's American, I believe it all
>>44263329
You know that magic sex is old as fuck as a concept right?
>>44266181
>everyone who doesn't think hayha is da greatest ever because of "muh kill count" is one person
>>44263402
>Attila the Hun
>The guy who has a major population of Asia related to him
That's Genghis Khan, dipshit.
