Sweet dreams edition
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http://www.mtgcommander.net
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>Use this instead of posting your giant ass list in the thread for the love of god.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
First for prime time dindu nuffin. He jus need mo mana fo dem programs
2nd for stax
>>43966010
Here's mine. It does well against non-tryhard decks.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sigarda-auratron/
>>43965863
I made a really amusing RUG spellslinger sort of deck based around Willbreaker/Dack Fayden's ultimate. The deck doesn't work at all if I don't find either of them, but it's absolutely hilarious when it goes off. It's just a million draw spells and all the cheapest targeting spells I could find, or spells that target multiple creatures/permanents. It's not a good deck by any means, but pinging their commander, eldrazi, etc for 1 damage and taking it is just too fun not to play it.
>>43966511
Staxbro reporting in!
Nothing gets my dick harder than watching my opponents slowly bled out while my gorgeous waifu and her plant horde ravage their slutty life totals.
>>43966842
I'm running a meren list right now, establish a lock and entomb/buried alive/survival for kokusho/sheoldred/gravy train.
Or bloodchief ascension to win through grave hate.
So I want to make a sygg, river cutthroat deck. I figure I can use black life loss cards like profane command and exsangunate to trigger him, but what would be a decent wincon to go for with him?
>>43966984
Are you going to build it casually orCUTTHROAT XD
Question of the day!
How many of you have tried to make a deck with fun cards and find yourself cutting those cards because there's more powerful things that would do better in the spots?
>>43967431
My Lazav deck. I try not to look at it unless I'm pulling it out to play, because I want to fix it. Right now it's themed around crime, and all the creatures are rogues and shapeshifters.
>>43967431
I've done it with both my decks so far. Nahiri went from having a bunch of fun sword holders to figuring out who stays in and who gets cut because I plan on running humility and fucking up anyone else who runs creature based decks.
Ran endrek in meren and cut him because all I needed was Gisa. Might cut Jugan and put Overgoat back in. That deck still needs a lot of attention.
>>43966332
No. Prime time needs to stay banned, he's fucking obnoxious as Hell.
>>43966984
Someone at my LGS has rogue tribal with him.
>>43966990
Casual. I'm considering rogue tribal, but I'm not totally sure yet.
>>43967841
>Prime Time and Sylvan P. are banned
>Survival of the Fittest and Tooth and Nail are fine though
>>43966332
>Prime Time ETBs
>Search out Vesuva and Dark Depths
Yeah he's staying on the banlist.
>>43967431
I'm in the process of doing it right now.
I really, really want to keep this in Crosis, but I need a card or two more that works with Squee and isn't garbage on its own.
>>43968031
...and then I forgot the image. Fuck me.
>>43967968
I don't understand the non-banning of Tooth and Nail. It's literally a 9-mana "Win the Game" card in this format.
>>43968132
Yeah, my lgs is rampant with U/G decks that all run the same shit.
"I'm gonna cast tooth and nail and win, thanks for playing."
>>43968132
RC argument for not banning it:
>it costs 9 mana
>you're not supposed to use it that way anyway
>stop being a bully!
This is the same RC that based their tuck change on the feels of a 7 year old.
The very same RC who's argument for not banning Prosh was that he took a random jund deck, made prosh the commander and said "look, he's not broken. stop abusing him."
The same RC that refuses to do anything because "lol just house rule it because it's not my problem"
The word on the street is that the big commander event opened his eyes when he saw UGx Ramp decks shitstomping casuals.
>>43967431
tfw Ive only got one deck
tfw dont have the money to fix it up
tfw its not bad just not good
>>43967431
I tried. I really did, but it they get cut anyway because it winds up not being fun because I get shrekt.
>>43968451
>RC argument for not banning Tooth and Nail
It costs 9 mana!
You're not supposed to use it that way!
>RC argument for banning Worldfire
It only costs 9 mana!
Nothing good can happen when it's cast!
>>43968451
>The word on the street is that the big commander event opened his eyes when he saw UGx Ramp decks shitstomping casuals.
Source me on this.
>>43969016
NE 5th and Lombard.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sandbox-3/
I would appreciate some help fine tuning this deck, as it is my first one completely from scratch. My other deck is just a Eternal Bargain that I swapped stuff around in.
The main theme is to put stuff into play that has triggers for creatures entering the battlefield, and to bounce Hazezon before the next turn. Mana ramp might be lacking, I'm not sure on that. I think it could also do with some more red stuff. I tried to include a decent ammount of removal for everyone elses stuff, and partially my commander, and bounce for my commander. The bounce I think might be a little one sided because it mostly is just for my own permenants. If there are alternatives that would be better for bouncing both mine and enemy stuff that would be great. I am also trying to be slightly budget friendly, so things like Doubling Season are not included just because of the price.
>>43968006
Vesuva is a Nonbo with dark depths, you want thespians's stage
Reminder that the provided reason for Primeval Titan's banning in EDH was "he's the best ramp spell in the format". There's your fucking reason. It's not because of Marit Lage popping out of his ass, it's because Sol Ring is fucking shit compared to him.
RIGHT GUYS?
>>43968997
But anon, worldfire does only one unfun thing. Tooth and Nail can be used to search out your Sakura-Tribe Elder and Dryad Arbor instead of all those unfun broken things.
tl;dr tooth and nail is balanced blame the players
>>43969585
But Anon, Worldfire can be used to punish all of those ramp players! ;^)
>>43967431
I built fun Mogis minotaur tribal with removal to make sure Mogis as active.
It's the least fun I've ever had playing magic.
Then I made him cutthroat stax, damage multipliers, hand cleaning, board snuffing Mogis and it's the most fun I've had in a while.
>>43969659
Good decks are generally more fun than bad decks.
>>43969659
>>43969274
Mana ramp is definitely lacking here, you have hardly any, and 3 of your ramp spells are signets, which are pretty underwhelming as far as ramp options in a green deck
You also have some creatures that are pretty suspect:
>primal force Mage and court street denizen
You don't have enough haste enabling to run these cards, as it stands they are pretty worthless for you (7 sand Warriors etb, they all become 8/8 until end of turn, Then you .....pass? Lol, and they go back to being 1/1s.) Add fires of yavimaya, mass hysteria, concordant crossroads, etc
>hamlet back Goliath
This card is bad, cut it
>all the life gain stuff
I mean it's cool and all and synergizes with tokens, but life gain doesn't actually do anything for you, after they board wipe your tokens, you're sitting at 100 life and they combo out on you, literally regardless of your life total
>erase, Ray of revelation, shattering blow
You're using very very suboptimal removal here, 1 mana stuff is cool but only hitting enchantments OR artifacts doesn't really cut it in edh when you are in the most glorious colors for removal ever, you have exactly none of the staple removal spells in your colors, and I don't mean money cards here, I'm talking $3 or less cards (path to exile is like $7 tho):
Decimate
Hull breach
Krosan grip
Beast within
Swords to Plowshares
Etc
Also you're missing some key cards for your strat like Boros charm and assemble the legion
>>43969585
>>43968997
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
http://www.mtgcommander.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17973
>If you are in an environment where Tooth and Nail is winning games on the spot, you probably aren't in the type of group to whom the banlist is directed.
>T&N CAN win the game, thats for sure. But if it does you are playing against combo, and that person will just run a different combo, and it will probably be faster than T&N.
>To add on to what UK said, an important philosophy of the banned list is that it tries to keep people from accidentally ruining games. If someone has the mindset that leads to using T&N for Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, and Triskelion (or whatever their combo of choice is), getting rid of it won't change that mindset. They are intentionally playing a sort of game that is outside of the Rules Committee's vision of the format.
Want to see the voice of the people on the EDH hugbox forums?
>The worst T&N my regular group has ever seen was someone getting Avacyn + Vorinclex...once. He proceeded to win that game in short order and was told to pack it in.
I couldn't even make is past the second page.
>>43969697
Thanks for the suggestions m8. I will be swapping out cards later based on them. Any good ramp cards I should include since I am so low on them. I put in stuff like the signets just because my other deck has no mana rocks, and my playgroup tends to play a bunch of them, so I assumed they were good, but I am more than willing to switch them out. Also I am worried about flying, so I was wondering if you had any more suggestions in ya for that. As for removal, yeah I was going for low cost, but you're right. I guess I forgot to always try to include utility where you can.
>>43969795
>If you are in an environment where Tooth and Nail is winning games on the spot, you probably aren't in the type of group to whom the banlist is directed.
In other words, if you plan to play anything other than casual decks then the banlist shouldn't apply to you.
>T&N CAN win the game
T&n WILL win the game, the only time it won't is if the person intentionally decides to not win.
People are stupid as shit as sometimes.
>>43969961
Read the thread about Sol Ring. It's atrocious.
>>43969961
T&N doesn't always win the game on the spot because sometimes you've nothing left in your deck that can win on the spot. Sometimes you've already drawn Deadeye or Hoof.
>>43970528
So you use TnN fetch the other half of your DEN combo AND Mystic Snake, and drop your combo with counter backup.
>>43966984
Notorious Throng and Knowledge Exploitation are good wincons. You could also add some control elements so your little evasive dudes can keep chipping away. Psychosis Crawler is handy and so is Ob Nixilis Reignited's ultimate.
What kind of playmats does EDH general use?
>>43971405
Plain red ultra pro one.
>>43971405
Ultra-pro Banished Priest.
>>43969948
Ramp spells you can use:
(note that skyshroud claim and natures lore are the most optimal, but only if you run shocklands and other white and red forests, otherwise they are about equal with other options like cultivate/kodama's reach)
-skyshroud claim
-wood elves
-natures lore
-cultivate/kodama's reach
-frontier siege
-mirari's wake
-birds of paradise
-bloom tender
-Avacyn's pilgrim
-carpet of flowers (only if you play multiplayer vs blue decks)
-keeper of progenitus
-Sakura-tribe elder
-Karametra, God of harvests
Some of these that are high cmc (Mirari) are less "ramp" and more mid game mana explosions, you want lots of ramp so that your ramp chains together for highly efficient early turns
>>43971405
I want to either get a Sensei's Divining Top mat, or get a Bitterblossom mat custom printed. Like fuck man, it's criminal that there isn't a Bitterblossom mat.
>>43971405
I have many. Arguably too many.
Emeria Shepherd
Flames of the Firebrand
Fires of Undeath
Spirit Token by Jason A Engle, signed
Force of Will (amazing quality), signed
Custom from Inked (both Ashlings)
Custom mat LGS gave out for free
I usually only take 2 or 3 with me.
>>43971700
How are custom ones quality-wise?
>>43969948
Good ramp:
>early game
-nature's lore (better with dual lands, schock lands and bofa lands)
-skyshroud claim (same thing)
-cultivate/kodama's reach (good with budget mana base, remember to save land drop for after you cast)
-wood elves
-birds of paradise
-Avacyn's pilgrim
-bloom tender
-exploration
>mid game
-mirari's wake
-frontier siege
-garruk, wild speaker
-oracle of mul daya
Some of these are more expensive than others but none of them is extreme (>$15)
>>43971713
They're both great. I would snap a picture of mine, but unfortunately, I'm at work. I was pleasantly surprised with Inked. My only complaint is that they're a little thin, thinner than the ultra pro, but it doesn't feel cheap. If you do get Inked, the professional touch up is beyond worth the extra cash if you're doing something custom.
>>43971937
Thanks, I'm trying to get a decent quality mat of pic related.
>>43971984
Is that from always sunny?
>>43972073
Gay porn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Darkholme
Holy shit. This is the most autistic thing I've ever read.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/31893_The-Commander-Dating-Game.html
>(Ruhan, to the Control Booth): holy crap this guy is boring. We could have had Avenger of freaking Zendikar. Jimmy why didn't we get Avenger of Zendikar? Or the new Goat? Why didn't we get the damn Goat?)
>(Control booth) The network wouldn't allow it. They said Avenger of Zendikar and Blade of Selves together was too obscene. And the Goat wasn't available yet.
>(Ruhan) More obscene than Gray Merchant of Asphodel?
>(Control Booth) Obviously not, although they were really adamant about not having Ashen Rider. The VP of Standards and Practices said he'd fire everyone if we even thought about it.
This is the guy in charge of EDH everyone.
>>43970528
Nigger, read the card.
Favorite Timmy tier 'combos' teeg?
Ive been loving Vigor and Chain Reaction.
>>43972095
Kek
>>43972174
Nigger think outside the box senpai
You already drew it AND discarded it, or it was countered, or it died, etc
>>43972298
Vigor is the bees knees, especially when you clone it, and then make the clones fight
>>43972157
>>43969659
List?
>>43972157
he also semifrequently posts articles where he "interviews" his decks
the dude clearly has a vision, unfortunately it's close to craw wurm EDH than any could have imagined.
dude unironically thinks Kalemne's Captain is a good card
>>43972564
Umm kalemne's captain is pretty strong depending on your meta
We have a lot of gods in our meta and we also have a couple serious artifact decks so it's pretty decent
>>43972564
>Green gets a Fracturing Gust on a body that grows depending on how much shit it destroys for 6 fucking mana
>White gets a 12 mana 8/8 Vigilance that exiles instead
White just can't catch a break
>>43972603
I was saying more to make a point about his often wildly outrageous card evaluation
perhaps mardu woe-reaper being the gravehate to unban recurring nightmare, because he plays fair with his graveyard guys :^)
>>43972640
Okay fair enough, bane of progress is in a different league
Deadbridge Chant in Meren?
Already got Grisly Salvage, Mulch, Scout the Borders, and Commune with the Gods for graveyard dumps
>>43972815
Feels kinda slow.
>>43972815
It's ok
>>43972864
Yeah the most attractive thing about it is the mill 10 desu senpai
>>43972884
I think I would rather just abuse Buried Alive with Eternal Witness but I guess the dump is good.
>>43972864
>>43972868
>>43972884
Yeah, it was in the 3 for 2 bin at my store so I figured why not grab it
Right now I'm throwing in some combination of Worldly Tutor, Sylvan Ranger, Attrition, Mortician Beetle, Shadowborn Demon, Woodfall Primus, Deadbridge Chant, Tainted Aether, and Hornet Queen.
Tutor's automatically making it, and I think Hornet Queen and Woodfall Primus are pretty easy includes.
>>43972298
Vigor, Marath, and doubling season
Just start pinging marath by his own ability for more counters
It was dumb
>>43972298
I like gray merchant of asphodel + rite of replication mwuahahahha
>>43972540
Don't have it in tappedout but it contains stuff such as:
>Maralen of the Mornsong + Stranglehold
>Megrim+Pain Magnification+Furnace of Rath
>Mycosynth Lattice+Null Rod
>LotV/Bottomless Pit/Necrogen Mists+Megrim
>AEther Flash+Repercussion/Death Pits of Rath
>Uba Mask+Painful Quandary
>Palace Siege/Polluted Bond/Exquisite Blood+Sanguine Bond
>War's Toll+Price of Glory+Rishadan Port/Mana Leech.
>Cursed Totem+Kormus Bell+Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
And lots of lesser asshole stuff like Torpor Orb, Night's Dealings, Black Market, Magus of the Moon, Blood Moon, Magus of the Abyss, Leyline of the Void, Sulfuric Vortex, Ruination, Boil, Boiling Seas, Flashfires, Vandalblast, Shattering Spree, Praetor's Grasp, Sadistic Sacrament, Infinite Obliterarion, mass discard, and wraths.
Just play Mogis and make sure no one else gets to play until they're all dead.
>>43973193
You're a bad person.but I would do it too if I had Rite in my Thrax deck
>>43972157
>(Ruhan) Okay, let's get on with the Dating Game! Pick one of the bachelors at random.
>(Blade of Selves) That's not how I understand the game works.
>(Ruhan) Right, sorry. Force of habit.
it's autismo, but I laughed
>>43973264
You know that rishadan port + price of glory doesn't blow up the land right ??
And that port + wars toll doesn't tap all their lands
Your deck sounds fun it would be sad if it turned out you were cheating
if you put blade of selves on avenger of zendikar and attack, does each copy get its token generation?
>>43973583
Yep, any ETB would trigger which is which it makes something like Gary extra terrifying.
>>43973583
Yessir
>>43973611
>>43973612
fuck thats grossI love it
>>43972603
>depending on your meta
This can justify anything in any direction.
>>43973583
Now put it on Zegana.
>>43973633
>mfw blade of selves is useless in my meta because everyone just plays 1v1
>>43973662
make them play multiplayerits more fununless all your people play control decks and get salty when they cant prevent something
>>43973662
>1v1 EDH
why
>>43973636
Sure but was I not specific in my post?
>>43973679
I don't know why. I think they just hate long games.They refuse to use the French banlist, though, so every game devolves into 'who has the T1 Sol Ring' 90% of the time.They use partial paris.
why dont we make a skype group and play on cockatrice
>>43973753
>1v1 EDH without French rules
WHY
>>43973905
Because sol ring is a fair and balanced card, and his group clearly can't liven function under the tyranny of it being banned.
whats a good T&N combo for G/W? I need something to win the game better than avacyn + vigor or elesh norn + AoZ because none of that gets around fucking cyclonic rift
>>43974186
You're not really going to be getting around Cyclonic Rift, I can't actually think of any way to other than a counterspell.
As for T&N, the most common is Craterhoof and Avenger with a haste enabler out, typically game ending. You could potentially do Craterhoof and the new OverGoat if you have enough creatures out at the time of casting.
>>43974186
kamahal, fist of krosa + crovax, ascendant hero.
snipe the blue player's lands and lmao @ his life.
>>43974351
actually elesh norn would do better than crovax, just stick with nornie
>>43974186
It depends on what you have out on the board and who your commander is. My GW is Saffi, and I can easily get a recursion loop off of TaN.
Boonweaver and something is a pretty good combo.
>>43974314
well I know most things don't get around rift but I would like something that wins the turn I cast T&N, because if I have to wait a turn to attack (theres like 1 haste enabler in green and it's global so that's bad) then every other player digs for answers to fuck me over.
>>43974351
I have norn but never considered kamahl. might just do that. also gonna add living plane for more LMAO. thx
>>43971937
I gotten 2 with inked. but have never used the professional touch up. what does it do?
>>43973566
Port and Leech are for utility lands ie: you don't get to Maze Mogis, you sword him and lose your lands or you take 7.
Put them on + with Toll/Glory cause it's the land-messing package.
>>43974480
Oh I gotcha
Very cool idea
>>43974186
The perfect tooth and nail targets for truly sealing the deal is Iona + Avacyn, naming blue (for rift) or black (for deluge)
Ideally you want avacyn + Iona + sigarda + 8 1/2 tails for maximum security
>>43974472
It's exactly what it sounds like, though its really just someone who knows how to use photoshop. They make it look professional. I have both Ashling pictures side by side with some text. All I did was send the guy the pics with a shitty mockup and he did the rest. It looks amazing. I'll put a pic up when I'm home from work in 3 hours.
What are y'all putting into your Eternal Pilgrim decks?
Here is what I've pulled together
http://www.mtgvault.com/yamazaki/decks/1137420/
>>43974471
>there's like 1 haste enabler for green and its global so it's bad
Actually concordant crossroads is quite playable, because it's only 1 mana, you can wait to play it until the turn you need it, and not worry about givin anybody hasted creatures, because hopefully they'll all be dead
>>43974314
>I can't actually think of a way around cyclonic rift
>>43974186
Avacyn + Iona name blue gg no re
>>43974618
Should run a pristine talisman. Should be able to gain a decent amount of life off it.
There's also that enchantment that gives you an angel if you gain 4 life during your turn which shouldn't be that hardeither
Anybody else get crazy lag spikes when using xmage? It's not just my end since all my opponents experience it as well.
On a more related note, I need a good green commander, thus far it's the only color I haven't experimented with. I don't want to play meren or ezuri (just because I play one every game) or anything group hug. Anything you'd recommend?
>>43974573
>Ideally you want avacyn + Iona + sigarda + 8 1/2 tails for maximum security
I did something similar once in Mayael
>Field is Seedborn, Chandra the Firebrand and Grand Abolisher, 17 mana.
>Fork with Chandra, entrine T&N. Entwined T&N gets Iona naming blue and Avacyn. T&N Copy gets Sigarda and Melira.
My shit couldn't be bounced, sacrificed, destroyed or -1/-1d to death and I was the only one running path/swords.
I'm currently working on a Vela deck, and need a little help. The deck is exactly what you'd expect - flickering, bouncing, ninjas and ETB/on-hit draw out the ass. However, I have one problem - the deck really doesn't do much without Vela on the field. I have the usual kit of boots and cloaks to protect her, but she still has trouble sticking. So, some alternate things to do on the turns she is dead would be good. Any ideas / help?
hi it's me
i play Rakdos, Lord of Riots
then they play Avacyn (for example dropped for free with Kaalia)
what the heck am I supposed to do with that? From that point on I just have zero interaction with the game. i'm not a guy that likes to scoop but every time I see Avacyn i want to die
she's the second worst, behind Iona. Iona says 'black' and from there I can't hit her with removal and can't play ~60% of my deck
fucking
white gives me the shits
Doran EDH, good, bad or ugly?
>>43973753
>EDH games
>long
If your 4 man games take more than an hour you should all seriously reevaluate your critical thinking skills
>>43975389
black sun's zenith kills avacyn
blasphemous act kills iona naming black
whether you'll have those in hand when you need them is up to luck
>>43975389
Toxic Deluge, Black Suns Zenith, Mutilate (prob need an urborg out), All is Dust, Perilous Vault
If you're up for fuck everyone then any of the red board wipes that exile everything.
>>43975389
Silence the Believers, Gild. Targeted exile in black is rare, so even the sub-par options are better than nothing.
>>43975492
Fun as hell, and one of the stronger tribals if you go treefolk and have the dosh.
I love him, have a foil and about half his old deck sitting, waiting for the day I pick him back up again. Only downside is his line of play can be extremely linear, and for some reason people get salty af when you play him and mess with their combat math. Overall 8/10 for fun, but 2/10 for any sort of creativity.
>>43975532
>>43975585
>>43975630
thanks for the tips friends
will track down some of those, especially Black Sun. I've only ever seen Green Sun before
>>43975630
Silence the Believers isn't even that bad in EDH
There's gotta be at least two targets you want to murder for good at any one time for you to strive for
>>43975389
>What is Grab the Reins and why are you not using reds biggest strength in edh?
Steal. Their. Shit.
RB is one of the best color combinations for skirting around Iona and even dealing with Avacyn. Black has exile, edicts, and plenty of -x/-x to go around, red has threaten and even a super tech bounce spell: Dead//Gone (thank you Planar Chaos). Name black? Word of Seizing her and sac her to your, Goblin Bombardment. Name red? Fucking Murder or something.
If you're having trouble with shit coming in off of Kaalia, then you need to run more instant spot removal. Fuck, Kaalia dies to fucking Lightning Bolt, which isn't exactly terrible in Rakdos because it allows you to cast your commander.
>>43975666
And most of those are just the board wipe variety. I'm sure there's plenty of single target -x/-x shit in black
>>43975666
all of the [color] sun's zeniths were pretty good except red. HURRDURR MORE BURN JUST WHAT RED NEEDED
>>43975666
Ritual of the Machine is great, too. Make Avacyn play for team Rakdos. Act of Treason effects + a sac outlet are also good ways of getting rid of tough threats, and squeezing some value out of them, too. Insurrection wins games.
>>43975189
Why do you need her? Is it the intimidate that you need? Run more unblockable dudes/effects
Are you triggering of her life loss thing?
In my experience vela is just kinda icing on the cake, you expect to get value from just flickering and drawing lots of cards regardless of her presence
>>43975666
You're already a demon
>>43975500
Idk man, it happens in my playgroup
We all try to win asap but sometimes there are games where nobody can gain any lasting advantage and everybody runs out of gas, because whoever is lording gets focused down and they can't recover from the combined card disadvantage of all the removal and board wipes and hand disruption that hit them
But yeah 1 hour is nothing, some of our games go 2 hours (1 in 9 maybe), 45 min is average probably, though occasionally somebody will stomp out in 15 min
Any cool etb effects that I could abuse for my meren deck? I have merciless executioner, reclamation sage, and nekrataal and they seem pretty cool
>1st game with new deck, never had chance to test it out
>Nahiri (me) vs Teferi vs Drana Bloodchief
>Teferi is L2 judge
>noideawhatimdoing.jpg, I have no idea what's in their decks
>3 plains and Rule of Law in opening hand
>lock them out form turn 3 on and shit all over them
Am I an asshole?
>>43975661
What if I want to be competitive doran? I realize there's better junk colors for that but I love Doran...he's a cool guy.
>>43975762
Yeah, I've kinda built with her pinging ability in mind. Are there other routes to go? I have a whole slew of unblockable dudes, reanimate abilities to keep them coming back, and card draw off the unblockable stuff. Is there anything solid with that sort of setup to clinch a game? I have the obligatory Gary/rite of replication combo, among other small cute interactions, but nothing Infinite as of yet (avoiding the bloods combo, it just seems so anti-climactic). Do you suggest I just stick to my guns with the unblockable weenie and ninja style? Hopefully just whittle the opponent to death?
>>43976025
Goodstuff.
>>43976025
I honestly don't know, I never tried him outside tribal, and that was definitely pretty strong for what it was. I'd say even that was competitive with him at the helm.
i honestly think that Commander should never be competitive
i view it as a 'for fun' format
>>43976123
>Not only playing a card game for fun
>>43975741
I am in complete agreement. Red gets gypped so much.
>>43976013
Good choices, also, ltb can be as good as etb with meren
Disciple of bolas
Thragtusk
Eternal witness
Wood elves
Shriekmaw
Kokusho
Sidisi, undead vizier
>>43976022
>lock them out
>can still cast one spell
>there's a blue player
>>43976139
red is such a straightforward playstyle though
wotcy's issue on this is that they can't do exciting things without bending the colour pie
>>43975389
All is Dust for Iona, Toxic Deluge for Avacyn.
Chaos Warp also deals with both, and then there's the Eldrazi annihilators you should be running.
>>43976022
No, mono blue and mono black are ill prepared to deal with resolved hate echantments like rule of law, it happens
You won fair and square, they had plenty of time to figure out an answer
I won my first game ever in edh as well, and I was playing mono white
I locked my opponents from damaging me with Darksteel plate + palisade giant, then I played angel of jubilation which stopped the prossh player cold
Mono white just surprises people sometimes, mainly because when you deckbuild you're thinking about how you're gonna beat U, G, B and U/G and U/B, you're not gonna spend a lot of card slots trying to deal with the mono white deck
>>43976123
>i view it as a 'for fun' format
Thanks for that, I had no idea the sole qualification for something being fun is that you like it.
>>43975500
This guy's never played Augustin vs Brago vs Merieke vs Oloro.
>>43975389
What the fuck man!? And you seriously call yourself a Rakdos player!? Plebian
>DUPLICANT
>ULAMOG THE CEASELESS HUNGER
>WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DEAL WITH IT
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
>>43976196
Well ya he was still drawing and casting stuff, but he was clearly frustrated, like his deck was only half working the way it should
>>43976220
I was debating taking it out because spirit of the format, but I also worry that my deck is becoming more whitegooidstuff control than equipment aggro. The Teferi player even said its not everyday the white player out controls the blue and black
![95307[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mBeRe9z.jpg "95307[1].jpg")
Is he full control or dredge?
How hard should you mill yourself to keep casting him?
What's the wincon?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/birdwomen/
R8 my commander please, Land Tax and mystical tutor will be added when i feel like it.
>>43976417
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/birdwomen/
looks fun but you need lightning greves
>>43976392
But anon, white goodstuff/control and equipment go hand in hand, just look at the eternal formats
>>43976560
This. White has the best fuck you shit. Hallowed Moonlight gets people so buttmad. People caught on that they could just kill Containment Priest in response and then they printed Hallowed Moonlight, which is not only BETTER because it eats tokens, it fucking cantrips.
Hushwing Gryph for that flash Torpor.
Angel of Jubilation because fuck you.
Aven Mindcensor because FUCK YOU.
Eidolon of Rhetoric/Rule of Law because eat a dick.
Spirit of the Labyrinth because eat a bag of dicks.
Silence/Orim's Chant because fuck off Narset/Wanderer/Prosh/Animar.
Fuck. I need to adjust my Narset deck. Why am I not doing this?
>>43976417
Pretty cool, I would take out some of the weaker Angels and put in some Equipment, I think it's better to have some board remaining after a toxic deluge
>>43975047
If you're still around, I'd recommend Kamahl, fist of Krosa. Straightforward but also makes up for being monocolored by giving you a way to mess with board wipes.
There's also Titania if you want to go for a land themed deck.
Here's my MonoB Vampire and Stax deck. Works fairly well so far.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/offerings-of-blood/
>>43971405
The MM1 Tarmogoyf
If Gisa is equipped with Illusionist's Bracers she puts twice the ammount of zombies into the battlefield sacing only one creature, right?
>>43976857
Yes. Saccing the creature is part of the cost.
So how many of you guys just want to splinter off with me to form a consistent, coherent multiplayer banned list with decent rules(i.e. tuck returns) for our own multiplayer EDH format?
>>43968607
Literally me. Not alone, guy
>>43976965
My friend was talking about making his own website tondo just that.
>>43976688
Slowly replacing any bad angels on the lower curve with stuff i find more useful. Any recommendations? I only trade really when it comes to this deck which is why there isnt much big name stuff.
What cards in mono blue benefit from self mill? Aside from lab maniac that is
I want to get a baller-ass card for one of my decks, but I'm not sure what deck to invest it in. Any suggestions? Already own a Crucible for Titania.
>>43977310
Gauntlet of might for Matron.
Or ravages of war for Zurgo.
>>43977432
Maybe not that baller.
>>43977432
>>43977310
2nd for gauntlet for matron go big or go home!
not to open this can of worms again but why is sylvan primordial banned but cyclonic rift is A-OK? I fully know why prime time is banned but sylvan P doesn't seem nearly as oppressive as some other cards that are "fine" in this format
>>43977538
If its blue, it's good for you!End of turn, I cast Sunder :^)
>>43977476
>Maybe not that baller.
>ImmortanJoe.jpg
>>43977041
People at my LGS were thinking about this.
>Competitive multiplayer banlist
>We vote to keep the format fun but free of degeneracy
>People who win tournaments get voting rights
>The list updates bi-montly
But it never took off.
>>43976259
>mfw playgroup use to consist of Oloro player(control), Ezuri(aggro), and Marchesa(me, monster/combo)
>mfw some games would take 2-3 hours and the Oloro player, who honestly is not a bad player, but doesn't understand some rules just cause he thinks that its bullshit, like tapping for an ability on a vigilance creature after its attacked takes it out of combat(doesn't), and other small gimmicks like that, causing the game to go longer
>mfw it was honestly the most fun I've had in my recent years.
>>43976965
It'd be nice to see the RC get dropped. Sheldon "Prophet of Kruphix Ain't Nothing to Fix" Menery has got his head up his ass.
I've got some web developer skills, you wanna do this? I'm game.
>>43977807
Shit you bet I do! I think this is something that many people want they just haven't done anything yet. Once we jump-start something I just have the feeling it will catch on like worldfire. Besides, finals are almost over and I need something to do between applying to transfer to a non-shit college and playing edh non-stop.
>>43976965
i still think tuck can fuck off, but im game to listen to hear what you would have banned
Anyone here try Archenemy thingy with EDH?
Was looking for ways to change things up and was initially gonna get some Conspiracy cards but some of them are just so half-assed and favor Modern more.
>>43977990
>>43977974
>>43977041
>>43977699
If you wanna brainstorm something like this shoot me an email at [email protected]. I'd like to talk about it more with you guys. (web dev here)
>>43977990
well it's not like I have a solid list yet. I was gonna leave it up to discussion with whoever I splinter off with(probably a bad idea if opinions are too different but anything is better than the RC's discussions). Tbh its really more of what I'd like to see unbanned (and to find some way to balance UG. Even though I enjoy playing with PoK I think its a big reason as to why UG is such a problem. But I may be wrong)
>>43978062
Hey man, OP here(>>43976965, >>43977974, and >>43978065). I just emailed you.
>>43977990
All we'd need to do is be sincere and separate cards that 99.9% of times win or completely warp the game when they ressolve.
>Biorythm
>Balance
>Channel
>Erayo
>Fastbond
>Karakas
>Limited Resources
>Painter's Servant
>Panoptic Mirror
>Primeval Titan
>Protean Hulk
>Recurring Nightmare
>Shahrazad
>Sundering Titan
>Sway of the Stars
>Tinker
>Tolarian Academy
>Upheaval
>Worldfire
>Yawgmoth's Bargain
>Ante Cards
>Manual dexterity cards
>The Power Nine
Plus:
>Cyclonic Rift
>Deadeye Navigator
>Tooth and Nail
>Prophet of Kruphix
>>43978201
i was about to ask why deadeye. but then i remembered acidic slime.
though why not palch?
>>43978201
guys if we're gonna do it we ARE gonna need to do two things
1) Have a vision and be consistent in what we want our format to look like, which leads into
2) Discussing the consequences of banning certain cards.
We can't just choose wily-nilly which cards to ban, though it may seem easy. We really need to ask, what will happen once they are banned? how will the format be changed? Will it really be for the better? And when we do ban something, what, if anything, will take its place, and should we ban that too?
>>43978234
Not a complete list, I also forgot Library of Alexandria.
>>43978279start a skype group
>>43978201
i second the rift and navigator banning but kruphix is fine just like seedborn muse, yes i've seen degeneracy but there's worse things out there
i move to unban sylvan p though and to ban survival of the fittest and scoop and nail....also iona
I want to hear opinions of why Cyclonic Rift shouldn't be banned.
>>43978292
My skype account doesn't work anymore, its 2:30 AM, and I have an organic chemistry final in 8 hours
I emailed the web dev guy, maybe we can start discussing tomorrow and I'll have a new skype set up by then
>>43976965
>>43978296
I'd go soft on Iona just because most decks are 2+ colors and 4 of the 5 colors can deal with her.
>>43978316good luck on your final
>>43976965
This attempt is going to ultimately fail. You think no one has tried this before? What it comes down to is that if you create a new banlist to use for your decks, you have no guarantee that the people you're playing with are going to use the same banlist. Essentially, you're just gimping your own decks.
It's a complete waste of time. No one is going to adhere to a ruleset that isn't set forth by Sheldon and friends because they have no way to trust others to adhere to that same standard.
>>43978201
Consecrated Sphinx fits your bill exactly, also trade secrets needs to be banned by your criteria
>>43978300
I've never meant anyone who wasn't an asshole mono-blue that would defend Cyclonic Rift.
>>43978344
dont be such a debbie downer
>>43978300
OP here just playing devils advocate, but Cyclonic Rift, while incredibly powerful and format-warping, is useful against strategies that consist of accumulating one or many hard to remove permanents, such as pillow-fort or voltron. Not to mention Cyclonic Rift can still be rebuilt from to an extent. I know there are other similar answers to such strategies, such as Perilous Vault, but will those answers be worth running and will pillowfort/voltron/etc end up running wild in our new format?
Seeing as our format is new and we're basically nobodies in the mtg scene(at least some of us) they're gonna try to break our format wide open and we should try to keep things balanced.
What say you?
>>43978327
haha thanks. I fucking hate this class.
>>43978300
It's not that difficult to come back from, and it is a necessary part of the edh metagame to punish greedy board states
>>43978437
The fact that it's instant speed and one sided is what pushes the card to being too powerful.
It's incredibly hard to win once an opponent has resolved rift.
>>43978364
Austere Command and friends do that more fairly. See, Cyclonic Rift isn't really a wrath, it's a "let me clear the board first before I just win." It would be fine if it returned your shit too, which would mean you'd have to rebuild your winning boardstate too, but as is, it's a 7 mana "I win" combo.
>In a format about playing big dumb world shaking spells/creatures
>ban all the good ones
Wow great idea guys.
The only change I would make to the format is to unban everything, do away with commander damage, and hold Maro's family hostage until he prints good cards for red and white.
Instead of reigning in the big guns, match them. Power creep be damned, this is edh.
People need to stop throwing around the concept of automatically winning when a spell resolved so lightly
Tooth and nail in my playgroup is not a sure victory on its own by any means, unless the rest of the table tapped out, in which case, that's a well deserved victory
In my playgroup, every deck has some way of interacting at instant speed with a combo going off, whether that's counterspells or doom blading deadeye navigator in response to soulbound or flashing in Hushwing Gryff, etc
>>43978471
I whole-heartedly agree, but we still have to think about whether certain decks will become more powerful or if that's a good thing. In this case that's an easy thing to decide, but we still must encourage this discussion on ALL CARDS that we decide to ban.
>>43978477
>do away with commander damage
Do you have any idea how fucking annoying Oloro would be? Or any other sort of infinite lifegain strategy, of which there are dozens?
>>43978477
>Unban everything
Boy you sure thought this through
>>43968132
should have used some MLD bitchboi. If you cant compete with the ramp dont play against green :^)
>>43978516
Okay how about anyone that gets to a high amount of life automatically wins?
I guess I see your point, it makes games too long and tedious. I just want lifegain to matter again damnit.
Wait, what if we make it so that you can heal commander damage? Then they have to one shot you with a 21 power commander. No, then voltron is the only viable solution. Fuck.
Is commander supposed to be nothing but salt and bitching? I have to tip toe around with my deck building as to avoid massive spaz attacks.
No matter what I end up playing, someone in my group will moan about it.
>>43969961
The only time T&N doesnt win is when a blue player is anticipating it being played, or if there is a boardwipe with flash followed by a graveyard exile.
>>43978322
as someone who had iona in an mono white control edh (linvala) iona is really antifun for the people playing against it and for the person playing it unless you're a soul less spike
>>43978535
>>43978516
>>43978477
>>43978471
>>43978458
>>43978437
>>43978363
>>43978348
>>43978347
>>43978344
>>43978327
>>43978322
>>43978300
>>43978296
>>43978292
>>43978283
>>43978234
>>43978201
>>43978062
>>43977990
>>43977807
Wow having this many people discuss this is really making me excited! I will be back in probably about 14 hours or so to start a skype group and get organized. Contact this guy if you want to join us: >>43978062
Goodnight guys!
>>43971405
Ginyu Force
>>43978591
For the majority of generals, it isn't that easy to just 21 someone.
Assuming you're playing multiplayer, there're more removal spells flying around, and they can be swept in wraths.
General damage isn't that big of a deal unless their deck is built specifically around it. In which case, their strategy's brittle.
Adapt to your playgroups, and shit like this won't be such a big deal.
>>43978642
Forgot to attach.
Quick rules question, do token copies of creatures have mana costs for the purposes of devotion? If I copy Gray Merchant, will the clone count its own 2 devotion?
>>43978937
yes
>>43978937
>>43978944
whoa what? that's awesome so mimic vat totally just became even more awesome
>>43978944
Great, thank you.
>>43978300
it stops somebody who ramped way harder than anyone else, and it doesnt have any winmore capabilities without also having a castable counterspell in hand. If anything you should ban pact of negation because it turns cyclonic rift into the jewiest spot removal.
Is it possible to Tooth and Nail Kozilek and Ulamog?
>>43979317
No, they're not creatures.
>>43979317
Yes but they don't do anything since they weren't cast.
That's why in Modern T&N goes for Emrakul & Xenagod.
>>43979317
etb is different than cast.
>>43971700
I have several that I use, it's almost an even split between using western and anime art.
>>43971937
What does the custom touch-up do precisely?
>>43979623
I think it just cleans it up just in case it might have jaggies or something
>>43979640
If the art i'm using is hand-drawn will that alter it in any way?
>>43979650
I think that will depend on the resolution of the art being used
>>43979662
I downloaded their template
>>43979682
you should be fine then
>>43979686
bitchin
>>43979623
>>43974472
The professional touch up option essentially made this. They edited the pictures, picked out a good font, made it fit the frame, ect.
>>43979490
I actually forgot about 2. There was a random freebie I got at my LGS and the SCG river panda mat.
>>43978613
Id they complain and never win they're just sore losers
>>43976045
Run as many tutors as possible to get her equipped with hexproof/shroud equipment as soon as she hits the field. Run aboshans desire if you use lots of instants/sorceries as well. Oh, I'm talking HARDCORE tutors like pic related as well as diabolic tutor/fabricate/ beseech the queen/etc. You want that bitch dug in like a tick as soon as she hits the field.
>>43980841
I can imagine someone removing the named card from the top six and then milling out themselves...
>>43975389
USE THIS ANON! TARGET AVACYN TO EXILE AND A WEENIE TO GET THE COUNTERS! THANK ME LATER .
oh, and for iona, the best option is probably toscoop
>>43975741
That being said the recyclable burn was nice. Lacking, but nice.
>>43980860
That's the risk! And in all my use with the card I've never had more fun. Only bit me in the ass once. The feeling of revealing the top 6 and praying it's not there is invigorating
>>43980957
That sounds pretty damn fun. Now I'm tempted to make a high risk high reward deck.
>>43980841
Might have to add this to my Dralnu deck as a secondary Doomsday like effect.
>>43976411
...anyone?
>>43981196
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/search/?q=tasigur&format=edh&cards=&general=&price_0=&price_1=&o=date_updated&d=desc&submit=Filter+results
your welcome
>>43979739
How do you find pictures of high enough resolution? It's difficult to find much beyond 1080p
is killing the whole table, including yourself, a legitimate strategy?
>tasigur gets infinite colorless mana with rings/monolith
>he diabolic revelations for his entire deck
>exsanguinate's for lethal but it gets countered by a greedy douche bag's plasm capture who said he wanted to wait until the guy played a really big spell for the best pay off
>tasigur looks through his cards, plays a sickening dreams dumping his whole deck
>each creature and player takes ~90 damage
>tasigur says game was technically game was draw but we all know who really won *smug face*
what say you, EDHG?
>>43981470
It's a "go for broke" strategy and I have nothing against it and it can be pretty funny, too.
>>43981470
>guy plasm capture's the exsanguinate
>not the diabolic revelation
I want to call BS but I've met people stupid enough to play like this. the "hold my counter until the last second" mentality affects those with poor threat assessment and they let the really bad stuff slip by
>>43976411
My current list is control into doomsday combo. Don't currently have it in tapped out, will get it up soon and link later
>>43981470
As a RX player I would biasly say, yes.
>>43981470
Tasigur drew his entire deck and didn't have a counterspell of his own? No force or pact or even a damn foil? Everyone at your table must be bad
Best general for this girl?
>>43982170
Oloro
What's the best commander for a mass polymorph deck? I looked at Jalira but I don't own many blue token makers so I'd rather add one or more colours.
>>43982304
roon probably since you're already going to be a whore with etbs
or Horde of Notions for XTRA confusion
>>43982341
Actually I was going for more of a token mass into huge fatties style deck, I'll probably add red for cards like Warp World and Hellion Eruption with all the haste enablers red has. Maybe I'll try Riku or Jhiora.
So now that the dust has settled,
How's Daxos the Returned as a commander?
>>43982418
Not good, unfortunately.
>>43982418
Dont play him personally but as I understand hes too slow to be on the upper end of competitive but is a fun mid tier commander that can occasionally do some crazy shit.this is all hearsay from other anons so take it with a grain of salt
>>43982418
He's way too slow. By the time he can do anything impressive you've already been steamrolled by the UGx pain train.
