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>>43931050
I never noticed this, but Bane REALLY looks like a clown.
>>43931050
>Sizable Fellow Edition
Supposedly, Snokes is abig guy.
>sizable fellow
>not Vader, or any other Sith who actually wears a mask
>>43931108
>mfw Darth Bane is the new front man for ICP
>>43931132
He's the biggest guy, apparently.
>>43931220
The Almighty Tallest!
So are we going to see new Capitol Ships in the new movie?
>>43931416
Capitol ships? Unlikely. Capital ships? Definitely
>>43931235
>he became more and more strong and big
My god, backstroke of the west is the key! Plagueis is Snoke confirmed!
>>43931443
>>43931416
Fuck.
Gonna be running the Force and Destiny beginner game soon (and the Lure of the Lost bonus campaign if all goes well.) Any tips for GMing it? I've only got experience of GMing from a lot of playing (ie, I don't.) but I've read through it all and feel reasonably confident.
Only thing is, heard a lot about giving players lightsabers that early being pretty OP, and the final baddies being pushovers. Advice?
>>43931155
scans for Strongholds of Resistance or at least Chronicles of the Gatekeeper when?
>>43931870
This may well depend on the players' tastes, but lightsabers need not be the most interesting part of playing Jedi. These budding Force-users are negotiating an ancient tradition which has nearly been stamped out-- theirs are the moral and philosophical questions which, by dint of the nature of the Force, can have real and tangible consequence.
>>43932126
That's entirely true, I suppose. I was just more worrying about it from a balance / pacing point of view but I see there are so many parts to pimp sabers with anyway. I might start them with training lightsabers, or we'll, when they're supposed to get sabers, give them training ones instead. Thanks for the input.
My players want me to run a star wars game and I've read that the FFG versions are the best, but what are the differences between Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion, and Force & Destiny?
Are they different games or are they
all supplements to the same game?
The only one I've ever heard about is EotE.
>>43931982
>You merely adopted the darkside
Isn't it actually sort of an unspoken narrative rule that fallen Jedi become better sith than sith who might have been born into some kind of sith order? Or just in general a jedi or sith who understands their opposite tends to be stronger in their chosen side?
Or does it only tend to seem that way just because a former jedi can recognize how other jedi would think and can plan accordingly?
>>43932249
Sheev is arguably one of the most powerful Sith ever and was never a Jedi. Fallen Jedi keep coming up because the fall of a Jedi often leads to a resurgence of the Sith after a period of decline or near extinction.
>>43932222
They're all the same game pretty much.
My groups using them all pretty much to play.
EotE is for playing Smugglers, Pirates, etc...
AoR is for playing as Rebels
F&D is for playing full on force users, more importantly, Jedi.
Would it be weird for a jedi to actually attend officer training when the clone wars start? Seems like they really took to flinging themselves into the role of general none of them were trained for.
>>43932066
january at the earliest
>>43932395
It wouldn't be too far-fetched, though given how the Clone-era OJO acted, they would probably bring officer training to the students rather than sending students to an academy to mingle with the muggles. It would probably also be a way for older Jedi to ensure that the rookies are taught to not act on carnal instincts at the first sighting of Gilad Pellaeon's mustache.
>>43932609
Was the GP rocking the 'stache during the Clone Wars?
>>43932395
the order probably wouldn't like it because it makes the jedi too "militaristic" or some shit like that
>campaign set just over a decade after Ruusan
>be "blind swordsman" Miraluka Jedi
>start falling for the group's qt mando girl
Is this forbidden love, /tg/?
>>43932653
The GP rocked his mustache since he was 14.
>>43932653
If the images on the Wook are any indication, yes, the 'stache was around even then. Unsurprising, since it's the source of his powers. I'm convinced that he was born with the 'stache or that the 'stache is the real Pellaeon and the meatbag is just the host organism.
>>43932785
not for a few hundred more years
>>43932785
But Miraluka are blind.
How do you know she's a qt?
>>43932785
Weren't the Mandos on the side of the Jedi in the Ruusan Campaign?
>>43932982
Same way daredevil can always tell he's always banging 10/10 girls. The Force is a powerful ally.
>>43932785
Hi Fred.
If Rennek has a thing for Eha, stop worrying about what your Order or her Clan will think, and just make a move. You'd be surprised how far a little confidence and some decent timing will get you. Especially with a Mando girl.
>>43932982
>>43933102
Who says you need eyes to be badass?
>>43933154
>You'd be surprised how far a little confidence and some decent timing will get you. Especially with a Mando girl.
>decent timing
"Hey Eha, I got you a present."
"Oh my god, is that-?"
"It is! The countdown timer for the bomb that I planted on Darth Thingy's flagship. And it has ten seconds left."
"Oh Rennek, come here you man you."
[Makeout Ensues]
>>43933154
Oh.
Hi Jen.
>that awkward moment when you find out another member of your group posts on /tg/
>>43933245
We're probably not gonna meet any Sith.
It's post-Ruusan, so while our GM promised us dark siders to fight, it's doubtful they'll actually be Sith, since the Sith went into hiding for the next 1,000 years after Ruusan.
>>43932785
No. But a Mando and Cathar dating, that's entirely different.
On an unrelated note, Mando autocorrected to Lando, and there's nothing forbidden about that.
>>43932416
Okay.
>>43933308
Doesn't mean you can't get her a bomb.
Mandos love bombs.
>>43933400
What about canons? Bitches love canon.
>>43933355
>Khajiit has seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. Khajiit watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die.
>>43933154
>>43933270
I ship it like FedEx
>>43931870
It's supposed to be about being a good person despite the odds, and making the right decision when faced with a hard choice.
How soon the players get (or don't get) their sabers has nothing to do with it.
>>43932249
Sheev had first-hand experience in witnessing the most incompetent jedi council ever and making note of all of their mistakes.
It's flat-out stated in Darth Bane that you need both sides of the coin to really be good at it. Note how all biker gang leaders are ex cops and how ex cons can make great special forces or shock troops.
>>43933448
Sure, if she's into that.
>>43931416
http://www.starwars.com/databank/first-order-star-destroyer-finalizer
>>43933270
>>43933154
>>43932785
You guys need to just fuck and get it over with.
>>43933817
He should at least buy her dinner first.Or go see TFA together.
>>43929788
Check one of the past few threads, or the archives, posted the stats for from Strongholds of Resistance.
>>43933893
I think it was actually in Mask of the Pirate Queen.
>>43933914
Yeah, you're right, my tiredness knows no bounds. I was mixing up posting the stats from the cloaking ship from Strongholds and the stuff from Mask for some reason.
In any case, if anyone wants spoilers from Strongholds, I can post them for another hour or so before I have ship it back for being defective. Will still have Masks and Chronicles if any questions on those.
>>43933977
Uhh, I think we've talked about guns, gear, ships and species... and a little about adversaries. I don't think there's much else to talk about broadly. There any new Armor in it?
Also, heard there's a new Force Power in Chronicles, what's up with that?
>>43933914
>Mask of the Pirate Queen.
Why does she wear the mask?
>>43934233
No one cared who she was til she put on the mask
>>43934011
Poliss Massan Bodysuit - 0D - 1S - 300cr - 1 Enc - 1 HP - 6 Rarity - Built-in multidirectional glow rod; integrated utility belt; usually made for Polis massans, but can be commissioned for other species
Leviathan Power Armor - 2D - 2S - 15k cr - 8Enc - 1 HP - 8 Rarity - Made for Mon Calamari, can be adjusted for any species; Suit not modified to fit that specific character upgrades difficulties of Agility and Brawn checks once; fully sealed and contains a respirator, heating system, enhanced optics suite, and strength enhancement system; Mini tropedo launcher and Salus DF-D1 duo-flechette Rifle.
Verpine Fiber Ultramesh Armor - 0D - 1S - 3k cr - 3 Enc - 2 HP - 5 Rariry - Not species specific; mauever to power up/down suit; powered up, gains +2 Defense; 2 Adv or Triumph against character wearing suit may spend to cause suit to run out of power and not be able to be used for rest of encounter.
And for the power, tree is to the left, minor spoilers:Basic gist is that you find a holocron in an attacked ship, and have to go around grabbing crystals with stored knowledge of the power on it, basically accessing more of the power's tree as you go. Crystals can also be turned into lightsaber crystals when the players are done with them if they chose, I think it didn't specify any specific stats unlike when it gives recommendations for other characters if you use knight level play, so they're just meant to be Ilum by default I guess.
>>43933893
>>43933914
Assuming I'm in something of a hurry and can't seem to find any of the /swg/ threads on the archive, anybody got a link or the image saved?
>>43933154
DON'T DO IT.
PIC RELATED
>>43933977
I'm sure someone has already posted it at some point but what's the new race from chronicle's stats/background?
>>43934776
>Mando Girl
>It's a Trap
This means something totally different to me that I've been on 4chan. Fuck my life.
>>43934876
Sathari
1/3/2/2/2/2
WT: 8+Brawn
ST: 10+Willpower
XP: 100
Special Abilities: One rank in Coordination, can't train beyond 2 ranks during character creation
Glider: Can fall safely from any height, can glide over small gaps/distances while falling. While conscious, cannot take falling damage.
4 eyes, 4 finger claws, one is opposable, 3 claw typical-looking bird feet, 1.7 - 2 meters, light skeleton that makes them much less heavy compared to humans.
I decided to repaint one of my TIE interceptors and my TIE Fighters. I took some crappy pics with my phone. Gonna get some better pics next week when i get my good camera.
The cockpit & struts aren't as dark IRL, i blame my shitty phone camera.
Got any feedback on this except get better pics?
>>43935284
And one of my TIEs. didn't have time to get more pics. Will snap more next week
>>43935284
That's not where the engines are, bro.
>>43935455
Yes it is.
>>43935507
No, it's not. The nodule to either side of the read windows are the ion engines. There are two of them. Hence, twin ion engines. Your schematic is pointing at one of them.
>>43935543
well chucks, you're right. Oh well, I'll fix that tomorrow. at least that's easy to fix.
>>43935048
Oh, and here's the battle droid stats. Got to admit, was hoping there'd be a little bit more Clone Wars era stuff, but besidesan old Clone Trooper, there really isn't anything else stat-wise.
BX Commando Droid - Minion
3/3/1/2/1/1
5 Soak - 5 WT - 0/0 Def
Skills: Cool, Melee, Ranged (Heavy), Ranged (Light), Stealth
Abilities: Droid (no food, etc.)
Equipment: Blaster Carbine (Rng Heavy, Dmg 9, crit 3, Med Rng, Stun setting), Vibrosword (Melee, Dmg 5, Crit 2, Rng Engaged, Defnsive 1, Pierce 2, Vicious 1), frag grenade (Rng light, Dmg 6, Crit 4, Rng short, blast 6, limited ammo 1), Stun grenade (Rng light, Dmg 8, Cit -, Rng Short, Blast 8, Disorient 3, Limited Ammo 1, Stun Dmg)
Droideka (Destroyer Droid) - Rival
5/3/1/1/1/1
8 Soak - 18 WT - 0/0 Def
Skills: Gunnery 2; Perception 3; Resilience 3
Abilities: Droid (no food, etc.), Fire Sweep (action to make a Hard Difficulty Gunnery check, on success inflicts base damage on up to two targets with built-in twin heavy blasters, plus one extra target for 1 Adv; can only hit each target once this way), Shield Projector (maneuver to activate/de-activate; while active, gains defense 2 and upgrades difficulty of checks targeting Droideka once, but cannot use Move maneuver)
Equipment: Two built-in twin droideka heavy blaster rifles (Gunnery, Dmg 12, Crit 3, Rng Long, Auto-fire, Linked, Pierce 1, Vicious 1), Stomping mechanical leg (brawl, Dmg 5, crit 5, Rng Engaged, Knockdown 1)
>>43933914
>>43934233
>>43934262
>Mask of the pirate queen
Who is she? Does she have a secret identity?
>>43931050
If I took off that weird bug armor, would you die?
>>43935694I'd need to check again, but I think it has only really basic attachments on it, some sort of face distorter, and a vocal changer that makes the user sound like the first Pirate Queen. Mask itself is just a crown essentially and gets passed down to candidates deemed worthy by her and the council that know that the Pirate Queen isn't an immortal being. So the rest of the people in the gang don't know the truth. And use of decoy masks is used to throw PCs off on finding the Queen the first time.The character isn't really anything really big or special outside of just being pirate gang ruler.
>>43935898
Oh that's a shame, I hoped it was some kind of surprise character appearance.
>>43936324
>muh dick
>>43936324
>Help, my ship is falling apart around me!
>>43936324
No Curtis Saxton text, no deal.
>I don't know what it is about Ackbar that tends to quash arguments. He has a kind of moist charisma, I guess, that no one wants to challenge. I know I don't want to dispute him, anyway.
Only a few pages in but I'm already liking Heir to the Jedi.
>>43936324
>48 pages
So that means like... ~22 ships/vehicles? Maybe more if some vehicle don't get 2 pages each? Not bad, even if something like 1/4 end up being older ships that are re-used.
>>43936435
I wouldn't wanna argue with a fish man who has moist charisma either
So what the hell possessed Shaak Ti to go from the most modest Jedi master to this? Insanity from grief? Long-suppressed nudist urges?
>>43936787
It's very hot and wet on Felucia
>>43936787
What's she up to in canon post-66?
>>43936787
Greasy writers
>>43936901
She's certainly making me both hot and wet.
>>43936901
Yes, but what about before she got there?
>>43936971
Being dead, like all the other Jedi.
>>43937145
You forget the first rule of storytelling...
No body, not dead, and about to ruin/make your day in the sequel.
>>43937145
>>43937359
Also remember there were about 500 Jedi at the time of RotS, and about 3000 survived.
>it's a troop transport
Well that's just dumb.
>>43937359
Yeah, but no fucking way are they gonna keep another Jedi council fucker alive for long. There's a point to them all being dead, to show that the old Jedi are gone.
>>43937402
Why is it dumb? Its a gunship/troop transport. Its like a Space Hind, look at that weapon's array and ungodly size!
>>43929240
>I do and don't understand how anyone who likes Star Wars can hate Jedi.
I want to field this question, because I do.
My two reasons are simple.
1) When I watched star wars as a kid, the magic and lightsticks were not what appealed to me. It was the ships! X-Wings, TIE Fighters, the Millenium Falcon - the Ep4 death star battle was the coolest shit I had ever seen. I built scale models of every star wars ship, and had multiples of X-Wings, and Y-Wings, specifically so I could mock each up with kill flags, battle damage, squadron markings. I was a kid who loved military things, and I was enthralled with WW2 air combat - star wars was that for me, but in space. The force, jedi, and lightsabers was cool, but never as cool as the other things.
2) Jedi were, in my opinion, at thier best when you didn't know what they were. They got ruined by the prequel trilogy. Alluva sudden, they went from being Knights, guardians of peace and order, to being emotionaless buddhist monks with no humanity, and an complete inability to relate to people on any kind of emotional level. Different portrayals have gone to fix this - TCW for instance - but they became really insufferable in the PT.
Tales of the Jedi did a much better job of rep'ing Jedi as knights, and its one of the portrayals I like the most - it also did something the Jedi NEEDED - that being, a much more diverse philosophy based on who was doing the training. By making Jedi stuck in a single temple, subject to a single code, they became a stagnant group. But, from what I gather, Yoda is the most the blame for that (as is Odan-Urr).
But the one thing that makes me HATE Jedi, is that the Force\Jedi is a plot point that is at the center of EVERY star wars story. Only in the EU can you really escape that, but most of the time, its still there, if only tangentially. Both X-Wing series had a force sensitive - one became a Jedi, and bless Allston, because his FS barely ever did anything force related.
>>43937458
To be fair, most of the jedi council are unaccounted for, we only had the ones we actually cared about verified as dead.
>That feel when the only emotion you had in episode III was when Ki-adi, Plo, and Fisto bought it.That boner kill when Secura bought it
>>43937523
Continued...
I hate the way Jedi a dn The Force are either forced or shoehorned.
And the last thing - everyone in a star wars RPG ALWAYS wants to be Jedi, or Force Sensitive. And why? Because Powers and Lightsaber - it has nothing to do with code, discipline, or public service - its always about being a space wizard with a mary sue glowing sword.
Or worse, they want to be Dark Jedi or Sith, and being even more mary sue
Or the absolute worst, they want to be grey jedi and use both, and the mary sue'st of them all.
There is also this disgusting idea that only Jedi\Force Sensitives can do anything heroic, because this is how the media portrays them. Only the Jedi\FS matter in the plot.
So yes, I hate this.
>>43937613
>mary sue glowing sword.
This word has officially lost ALL meaning and become code for "thing I don't like".
>>43937659
Dude, it's been that way for a long time now.
>>43937659
You mean you DON'T insert yourself pretending you're a lightsaber?
Shit, I must be doing something wrong.
>>43936787
>Long-suppressed nudist urges?
Kind of. Togruta evolved from a pretty badass predatory species so in a way she went primal since felucia is also a pretty wild planet.Who doesn't love red space babe cheesecake though?
>>43937659
Maybe I shouldnt have used it.
But really, I'm explaining some valid issues as to why someone could not like something.
This isn't "i hate everyone who likes jedi"
Its "i dislike jedi, here are my reasons"
Anger comes out when I have to remember all the really awful character pitches and tantrums when I didn't ok "super original charatcer donut steel" jedi\sith\grey jedi with some absolutely crazy lightsaber design
Someone once wanted lightsaber chakrams.
>>43937720
Why are lightsaber chakram so weird? They'd work like the Identity disks in Tron: Legacy. There's way worse canon designs. Like the light whip.
>>43937792
>canon
>>43937402
No, it seems like a good ship for PCs to use actually.
>>43937613
>And the last thing - everyone in a star wars RPG ALWAYS wants to be Jedi, or Force Sensitive. And why? Because Powers and Lightsaber - it has nothing to do with code, discipline, or public service - its always about being a space wizard with a mary sue glowing sword.
>tfw you want to play a Jedi so you can be in the Space Watch. Equipment: helmet, breastplate, truncheon, lantern, bell, (laser) sword.Join the Watch! Be a MAN in the Watch!
>>43931235
>mfw i will never invade planets for the might tall ones
>mfw i will never be an irkin
>>43937613
I've personally always wanted to be the scoundrel dude a la Hanprobably because in real life I'm a lonely neckbeardso I totally get where you are coming from. Hell even when I play a force sensitive I want to be gun guy who doesn't understand what these weird powers he sometimes has rather than a full on Jedi. That being said I don't really get full-on hating Jedi: there's more than enough room in Star Wars to have non-Jedi heroes and stories.
>>43937699
>Who doesn't love red space babe cheesecake though?
More jedi chicks should trade in their space burkas for some practical and comfy space swimsuits, in my opinion.
>>43937720
sabrechucks!
>>43937792
IMOPH, Lightsabers become that much harder to take seriously, the more you fuck with the basic formula.
Also, a character should be happy and satisfied to even have a basic lightsaber - and if they are a Jedi, a basic lightsaber should be all they need - Sith can be much more creative, but I dont allow Sith PC's, so there is that.
A lightsaber should be special. A player who has one should be very respectful of it. The more you treat it like a tool that you SHOULD have, the less important it becomes. A lightsaber is not owed to a PC, even if they are a Jedi. Therefore, respect one when you have it, and stop trying to improve upon the design just to stand out.
Taken to an extreme, you eventually get bullshit like pic related. In my opinion, innovation, if it leads to tech heresy, should be countered and fought at all costs.
>>43935898
>>43936335
>Being disappointed in Star Wars Dread Pirate Roberts
>>43937936
>In my opinion, innovation, if it leads to tech heresy, should be countered and fought at all costs.
You are in the wrong universe, son
>>43937936
So you hate fun. Just say it.
>>43937986
I seriously dislike Jedi. So, if I have any in my game, I make sure that the people playing one have a serious respect of what they are playing, and dont fuck it up with edgehog bullshit. Of my experience, most players are not mature enough to take all that power seriously. The last PC I had who was just a force sensitive (in an EotE game), bitched the entire game "am i ever gonna get my lightsaber?" and proceeded to use force powers to make every combat completly meaningless. Keep in mind, he spent all his start exp on buffing move object, and then spent all his in-game exp to buff move object, specifically so he could do 50 damage every turn. He made every character combat irrelevant, and openly didn't give a single fuck about dark side points - he only stopped being flagrantly retarded about when i started crimping everyones destiny points.
I hate fun if that fun is derived through purely fucktarded methods, at my expense, and everyone elses
>wow, you have sucky players
yes i know, but they aren't all bad. it just reinforces what i said earlier - not everyone should be allowed to play jedi, and therefore i dont allow everyone to play jedi
>>43938108
I can't believe people actually play games with a fun hater like you.
>>43938108
>can't deal with a Move Object nig
Stop giving him objects.
Alternatively, blast him.
>>43938108
So you hate fun, and you hate Star Wars. Got it.
>>43938108
>Letting somebody lob around, presumably Silhouette 2 objects numerous times without sending in the Inquisitors or even Vader to put him down or least put the fear of god in him
>>43938144
>>43938169
Not the anon you're talking to, but holy shit, learn the value of subtlety.
>>43938144
>>43938169
Why are you attacking me when I'm just stating my opinions?
Do you disagree with them?
Why do you disagree with them?
I swear sometimes, this general gets really uptight if someone has a personal opinion that isn't "i love everything about star wars".
>>43938108
heres an idea
stop playing star wars
play firefly or mass effect or something
>>43938108
Hate to say it but you're not helping your case.
I have only one thing to say to people who hate Jedi: deal with it. Jedi and the Force are and always have been the heart of the mythology and if you don't like that tough. Yes the PT and the EU didn't do us any favors with how they were presented. But Star Wars is not a tacticool military sci Fi franchise. It isn't Ace Combat in space. There's stuff that can scratch that itch but if you want that to be the soul of SW and want to force it on others then you should just not run Star Wars games
Post more alien chicks.
>>43938239
I didn't specifically do that because the players moved around way too much - they never spent more then a day on any particular world. Also, despite assertions otherwise, I didn't want to punish a player for using the game and the RAW to have fun.
>>43938302
>then you should just not run Star Wars games
Wow, thanks dad.
why dont a jedi use 10000 lisabers n use force to chuck them?
gg sit lordsss!
>>43938358
Because they're Jedi.
>>43937720
Right there with you buddy. I don't hate jedi but god dammit there are way nore interesting things going on in the star wars universe then space wizards.
And from a fluff point of view i don't understand why everyone doesn't hate the jedi. They are a militant religous cult that is intertwined with the ruling power to a retarded level. They bullshit about peace but a major part of there faith revolves around using a specific, and over powered weapon.
To top that of, nearly every major war is jedi vs sith. And i really wouldn't blame the general public for not veing able to tell the two apart. Billions and billions of innocent people dying because of some religious conlfict that has nothing to do with them.
How could any republic citizen see these people as good guys?
Looking deeper into the fluff, you see numerous felony assualts and murders, based soley of the "feelings" of these manics. They are accountable only to themsleves and even then that barely has any effect.
>>43938266
Not those anon(s), but it seems like you jump straight from one guy being an asshat in one game to hating all Jedi and hating people being creative with their Jedi. Did you ever try just talking to him about how his shenanigans were ruining the game? Or try sending scary Imperial shit down on his ass for being so openly wizardly?
>>43938304
>tfw can't play as a Twi'lek Sith Warrior in TOR
>>43938350
>doesn't punish shit behavior
>gets mad when it continues to happen
Gee, I wonder what the problem is
>>43938358
>>43938429
Oh fuck off pal, we ain't falling for this shit again
>>43938350
>I didn't want to punish a player for using the game and the RAW to have fun.
Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD do something. This is actually a huge crux of the Jedi philosophy and important to the Morality system. RAW you can murder people real good with Autofire weapons, should you answer all your problems with "more gun"? No, that causes problems. Obligation racks up, you get a bad rep. There's FTL comms in Star Wars, people who do bad shit will end up with the Death Mark in 16 systems. People start talking about "Jedi" and bad things happen.
You're mad at a guy for doing crazy actions a lot and minmaxing something, but you're not using the proper consequences for actions, you're here bitching about "man, I sure do hate jedi"
>>43938429
Got back to ruining Halo, Traviss.
>>43938302
>It isn't Ace Combat in space
Not exactly a good example outside of Assault Horizon. The main Ace Combat series throws tacticool out the window and piles on the mythology, fantasy, trench runs, WVR combat, and batshit crazy superweapons. It's basically Star Wars with Eagles and Flankers in place of X-wings and TIEs.
>>43938429
Jedi are evil
Mandos are our saviors
>>43938350
>I didn't want to punish a player for using the game and the RAW to have fun
It's fine if you're okay with min/max-ing, but somebody freely roaming around doing things that'd get them as high-value targets amongst the Empire, is an entirely different thing. Throwing out consequences for continuous reckless bad actions is a good reason why the player continued to do what he was doing.
>>43938304
>>43938302
>It isn't Ace Combat in space
yes it is
>>43938304
bestterroristcoming through
>>43938451
I had to make sacrifices. Either I have to put up with shit behavior IN GAME, or I put a stop to it, and deal with shit behavior OUT OF GAME.
If it goes out of game, player throws a shitfit, and the game ends.
>>43938431
Its not the first time, that was just the most recent time.
>>43938473
>Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD do something.
I know this. That player does not. He's also mental, and on anti-depressants, so there is that, too.
GM's sometimes don't have much of a choice in their players, when you live in a small town
>>43938559
You seem to have forgotten the age-old rule of /tg/:
No game is better than bad game.
>>43938304
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>>43938559
Internet age, baby.
New, harder challenge: post alien chicks in non-cheesecake outfits
are most elite pilot upgrades not that good?
or is push the limit (and a select few others like predator) just TOO good?
>>43938558
>you will never see Barriss in a slutty sith outfit in canon
>>43938601
I fucking love stormtrooper girlsI think it was implied in an episode of How I met Your Mother than one couple had sex, with the woman of the pair in stormtrooper armor
>>43938471
>>43938471
And what shit is that? I feel that i raised a valid point. I just don't get why they are tolerated at all in universe. They are an organisation who hold the power it has based on its history of being a reliable force for good, despite having an equally long tradition of its members going rogue and then trying to conquer the galaxy.
Doesn't mean I don't enjoy stories with jedi and sith in them.
>>43938622
Most of them are situational. But Push the Limit is almost never bad.
This is some serious JIDF shit guys, what the hell?
>>43938559
>Its not the first time, that was just the most recent time.
I might as well go into detail about this...
>old star wars d20 game
>guy wanted to be a jedi teras-kasi\echani master
>Great!
>wants lightsaber knuckles
>great...
>star wars west end game
>player wants to be a dark jedi, on his way to being sith
>was gonna be a hard no, but he was new, and other player really wanted him and his GF in the group
>fine...
>he acts openly evil all the time
>another player, playing a former imperial, frags him with a grenade, and then laughs about it
>campaign ends in the first session
>im to blame, apparently.
>star wars EotE game
>player wants to play jedi survivor of 66
>goes into detail of several lightsaber designs
>one of which was a lightsaber mace
>its all light-whip until the end, which is x shaped
>my hair is turning grey
Thats all i can remember. I have had a few jedi\FS characters that were cool though. One guy played an Antarian Ranger who was jedi dropout, and had a bit of force powers, but was basically a paladin commando. Another guy was a wookie jedi during a clone wars campaign who was pretty much party healer - dude did the voice and everything - and in the end, sacrificed himself against a dark jedi so the party of clones could escape.
In my upcoming AoR campaign, I'm letting two people play Jedi - notably an Apprentice of Rahm Kota, and a Jensaraai.
>>43938604
Nah, but thanks for the suggestion.
>>43938584
>work and game
>no game
>work and nothing
I dont see how thats better
>>43938622
It's more that they're situational.
PTL and Predator are good because they have stupendously good duty cycles.
>>43938674
>equally long tradition of its members going rogue and then trying to conquer the galaxy
They had twenty masters leave the order.
Twenty. Over the course of the thousands of years the Jedi had occupied the Jedi Temple, just twenty left.
Even accounting for stuff prior to that and whatever knights occasionally go rogue... it's extremely fucking rare. Like, once every couple hundred years type of rare. And very few of those get beyond the point of being able to take over a single planet.
>play jedi
>use force to use a dozen blasters like a friggin japanese space fighter video game
the only way to play!
>>43938727
>That face when my campaign had a similar character, except he was basically a mix of major armstrong/Patrick Swayze from Roadhouse determined to use his force-enhanced fisticuffs to protect the innocent
Someday your good group will come, and all the salt you've gained will be washed away
>>43938773
It's not like the Jedi are the only organization to ever have traitors, either. There are numerous stories of Sith being redeemed, Mandalorians fighting one another, and Republic personnel defecting to the bad guy of the week. Every organization in the galaxy has bad eggs.
>>43938804
>Someday your good group will come
I have a good group, they just get dumb when it comes to star wars.
And its not even really the group - its always usually just one guy, even if it isnt the same guy. Everyone plays perfectly normal awesome characters, and one guy tries to push the limit of acceptable concepts, by adding things that dont belong.
Now, with F&D, I can just say "if it aint in the RAW, you cant have it" as far as lightsabers are concerned. And even then, whats presented in RAW F&D isn't even things I have any issue with.
My upcoming campaign, I;m nervous as fuck about, because everyone is basically EotE\AoR characters, except for the two jedi. I worry that they are going to make everyone else completly irrelevant - although I did my best to sidestep that, by having everyone do a specific job aboard their Corvette - one Jedi leads the marines, and the other hasn't decided - but the other characters are all pilot, engineer, quartermaster, etc. So, everyone is relevant, and likely the Jedi wont have much to do during space combat (which is a problem in and of itself, but I havent figured out how to fix that)
>>43938915
>I worry that they are going to make everyone else completely irrelevant
Even min-maxed Jedi end up being extremely specialized. Changing up the encounters and giving out varied non-combat scenarios will keep the rest of the party relevant throughout the campaign, especially since muggles will usually spend XP to branch out into other trees.
>>43938915
You've had a hard star wars life and I hope this one goes well. o7
Where'd you find / how'd you make the image?
And perhaps look into some forms of battle meditation or something to buff the crew? No idea, that'd probably be just as boring.
>read star wars fan fiction (I was felling masochistic ok)
>its either harry potter is a jedi, or mandolorian wank
this is why TCW fanfics are better!
>>43937385
>500 jedi
>3000 of those survived
wat
>>43939134
It's not all bad, anon.
Just don't ever read Star Wars crossovers. Ever.
And develop your 'this is gone be shit' sense. It could save your life.
>but what about a crossover wi-
No, not even that one. Trust me on this. There's a guy who I actually respect and everything and I found out he wrote a Star Trek/Star Wars crossover that.... look, I read the synopsis and I NOPED the fuck out.
>>43939134
>TCW
Still Star Wars fanfic, still full of Jedi wank. Christ, Ahsoka fans are cancerous.
>>43939121
Well thats good. I noticed Inquisitor Stats are hilarious, and fighting one is apparently suicide (3 reds!)
>>43939123
Its concept art image from Rebels, heres another
As for Battle Med - it requires Force Rating of 2, and force rating doesn't go up until you've maxed a tree, apparently. So something for much later.
I had considered just giving it for free\making available at the start - after all, Bastila had it, and she was basically a young padawan ranked up early because of her battle meditation
Ooh, questanon, Emily Asher-Perrin put up her ESB movie article.
>now we wait for the book article
At least she seems to get new articles out about twice a week.
>>43939292
I just finished reading that, actually.
It's interesting how she points out that Empire is mostly about Han, even though the meta-narrative is Luke's journey. I hadn't noticed that before and I actually like that interpretation.
>tfw you can't wait for someone to talk about Jedi
>>43939286
Ah, very nice art, thanks.
Bastila was where I got the thought. Perhaps a star fighter and encourage one to try star fighter ace or something?
>>43938773
True. Its rare. But when they do get away with it they fuck shit up royally. The original "sith" where cross breeds of jedi and the sith race.
Ulic Qel Droma and Exar Kun.
Revan.
Count Dooku.
Darth Vader.
Darth Caedus.
Darth Krayt.
All ex-jedi and all of them threw the entire galaxy into chaos everytime they rose up.
And everytime it happens the Jedi Militarise and smack them down, killing millions and billions in the process.
And the 20 jedi masters thing is rubbish. The jedi made a habit of suppressing knowledge of the sith, especially from themselves so know knows how many fell to the darkside and carved out there own little empires.
The jedi sith war before Ruusan went on for 1000 years. Sure a fair few fell then as well.
>>43937613
See, I really like Jedi, but I like Jedi BECAUSE of their philosophy. Done right, it's a really interesting examination of Buddhist ideals in a goofy space opera universe with a very distinct morality which is really fun because it basically guarantees conflict and conflict makes for interesting storytelling. I like stories about powerful characters where a big part of the limitation that's placed on them is that it's difficult/inappropriate to use their power and Jedi do that really well
I will agree that anyone who says 'Grey Jedi' and thinks 'uses both sides of the Force' should be shot
Also
Anyone who says 'both sides of the Force' or 'Light Side' should be shot.
>>43939134
Welcome to the shallow end of the shitfic pool. It's only worse from here on out
>>43939152
He was making a joke about how more jedi survived than were actually in the order at the time.
>>43939396
Notice something that all of those have in common, besides being former Jedi?
It's that they became Sith.
They didn't commit the atrocities they did because they were former Jedi, they did it because they were Sith, a culture full of assholes who think only to shit on others.
>>43939396
>And the 20 jedi masters thing is rubbish. The jedi made a habit of suppressing knowledge of the sith, especially from themselves so know knows how many fell to the darkside and carved out there own little empires.
Ah, so now we're fully into "making shit up to justify my hateboner" territory. I didn't think you did star wars, Mr. Pryde
>>43939396
Dont forget that with the 20 masters thing, they were
1. Jedi who left peacefully
2. Masters, as opposed to knights or padawans
>>43939379
I convinced one of the players to pick up "pilot ground" so he could fly the speeders. He was cool with that.
Also, have another
>>43939408
>Anyone who says 'both sides of the Force' or 'Light Side' should be shot.
Are you implying that there is no sides of the force, and that the force is simply The Force?
That sounds like heresy...
>>43939466
There's definitely a Dark Side of the Force
But there is no Light Side of the Force
There's just The Force, and then Doing It Wrong.
>>43939466
>Le ebin herasy maymay
Firstly, fuck off
Second, there's no "light side", nor is there " two sides of the force". There is the force, and there is abusing the force to be a dildo, which is the dark side
>>43939396
>killing millions and billions in the process.
>Implying the entire goddamn Order is to blame for the faults of the few
>Implying that's a worse alternative than a galaxy controlled by the Sith
>Implying Sith aren't the true cause of everything wrong with this twisted galaxy
>>43939479
Why Qui-Gon will never be on the council, the post.I disagree. I feel like the force responds to emotion. If you power it with positive emotion, you get generally "light side" effects - if you power it with negative, you get "dark side" effects - if you power it with no emotion, you get...stuff. But the Force can siren call from either side. Its all relative to the person
>>43939502
Whose meme'ing now?
Besides, I was referring to the Potentium Heresy, dude
>>43939466
>>43939479
I hate this shit. If there's a Dark Side subset of The Force, what do you refer to the subset that is not the Dark Side if not its logical opposite, the Light Side, if "The Force" refers to the entire thing? What do you say for "The Force except not the Dark Side"?I actually don't give a shit, I think it's childish and stupid that something like shooting lightning or choking someone or screaming really loud is somehow a "Dark Side technique" while force fields, stunning droids or precognition are inherently "Light Side techniques". The Force grants you telekinetic powers and choking someone with that is an immoral abuse of that power but it's not a video game with a "Force Choke" skill. There is simply The Force and how you use it, no Dark Side, no Light Side. DS/LS are just terms used in Jedi/Sith philosophy for different understandings of how to use your power.
>>43939547
>>43939574
The Force is not a dualistic force
The Force is a single, unified power. Like Obi-Wan said - it's the energy that binds us all together
The Jedi way is about detaching yourself, so that you don't interfere with that pattern, but get to share in it and understand it to a greater degree than the normal person, which makes you wise.
The Sith way is about cockslapping the rest of the universe to get your way. It's about giving into desire at the expense of everyone else in the universe and, ultimately, at your own expense. Because the universe will, without fail, right itself and continue downstream with or without you, but if you rock the boat you're gonna get wet.
>>43939574
The term "light side" was never used once in the films. That's entirely an EU creation.
In the films, at least in the first six because fuck you JJ for adding The Light Side as a thing, there is just the Force, and the dark side.
The closest you get to there being a "light side" in the films is Yoda telling Luke that they're luminous beings, not crude matter.
>>43939574
Force "lightning" is a bit of a special case, though. It's not actually *electricity*, but more of the user thinking "I wish I could hate this guy to a slow and painful death" and the dark side obliging. It's not "call lightning", it's beams of hate radiation
>>43939574
>something like shooting lightning or choking someone or screaming really loud is somehow a "Dark Side technique"
Your intentionally using the force to hurt and kill people - negativity begets negativity. Also, and this is where I disagree with general interpretations of the force - you need to channel hate and negativity to even get the force to do those things - the ends do not justify the means in this case. The means are what you live with, and what ultimately fucks you up. And, you will always have more ends to justify your fall.
>>43939597
>The Jedi way is about detaching yourself, so that you don't interfere with that pattern, but get to share in it and understand it to a greater degree than the normal person, which makes you wise.
I argue that doing this completely removes your humanity, and you really stop caring about things.
>>43939643
So all Buddhist monks are inhuman? It's not that they don't still feel, it's that they understand that acting on those feelings is irresponsible.
>>43939643
>I argue that doing this completely removes your humanity, and you really stop caring about things.
The ideal Jedi isn't detached. The prequel OJO is far from a good representation of what a Jedi should be. Look at Luke instead. He had friends, family, and bonds. He and his loved ones would fight and die for one another, but he never let his emotions get in the way of doing what was right. He redeemed Vader through compassion, not through stoicism.
It's not about giving up your emotions. It's about not being a slave to them.
>>43939612
>The closest you get to there being a "light side" in the films is Yoda telling Luke that they're luminous beings, not crude matter.
I'd argue that's not even what he's saying. He's not even really commenting on the nature of the Force, he's saying..... okay, let me bring in John Darnielle for this:
>And I won't get better but someday I'll be free
>'Cause I am not this body that imprisons me
(from Isaiah 45:23)
So yeah, he's saying that you ARE a soul, you HAVE a body and that Luke should stop just thinking in the here and now of meatspace and think about more than just what's in front of him.
>>43939643
>I argue that doing this completely removes your humanity, and you really stop caring about things.
Yeah, that was kind of the OJO's downfall.
The NJO sees things kind of different; if you desire to good, the force will help you along and allow you to do otherwise impossible things
>>43939445
>>43939508
You are both 100% correct. When a jedi goes sith its all bad. My argument definitely wasn't pro sith. They are so much worse but at least they aren't pretending to be the high and mighty good guys.
The argument is that by giving powerful force users free reign with minimal oversight is always going to end badly. The failure to punish those who transgress against the galaxy. Kyp Durron destroyes an inhabited solor system. Ben Skywalker assassinates an innocent man.
But its okay because they learnt there lesson.
On top of that is fact that you are allowing this group to literally change people minds as they see fit.
"You want to go home and rethink your life" is a massive violation of that beings free will. Im pretty sure no one here would like some so called good guy to walk in an literally mind rape you for your own good.
Jedi should just fade from politics and go sit in a monestry worshiping the force and leave the galaxy alone.
Either thay ir they submit to authority that can actually control them
>>43939665
I didn't say "inhuman" - I said "lacking humanity" - I really should have said "lacking empathy"
With no emotion, you stop caring about other people.
As for Buddhist Monks, its a bad analogy. Buddhist Monks have both been terrorists in the past, and worked for peace - the famous image of the Monk burning himself to protect Vietnam, had nothing to do with the war, but the fact that the South Vietnam regime was putting native buddhists to death (the president of RVN was a hardcore catholic)
>>43939699
Luke is a special case, and he made plenty of mistakes because of it. I still admire Like a lot as to what Jedi can aspire to.
>>43939739
>protect
PROTEST
damnit
>>43939458
Very true. Ihave nothing to back that up. Except for the the fact that those are the 20 masters that left, masters alone, not padawan and not knights. Since the last time the temple was destroyed. Which was 3600 bby ish.
>>43939739
Luke literally is the ideal Jedi
He's capable of detachment but still feels compassion. He understands that others are worthy of respect and love. THAT'S the ideal Jedi - observing and understanding without allowing desire to rule you but still acting when you need to.
>>43939705
Oh absolutely - and that's the point; there's no such thing as the light side when it comes to George's creations.
>>43939734
Kyp Durron's situation was all sorts of fucked and it doesn't make sense that he wasn't really punished, I'll agree. Can't speak about Ben Skywalker, because I don't even want to try and venture beyond Vector Prime.
But you're also fundamentally misunderstanding the Jedi Mind Trick. It's not mind control. It's suggestions. "Hey, dude, selling drugs? Not the best life plan. Why don't you go think about this and see if you can try and change it" is basically all Obi-Wan said. It's not mind-rape at all, until they make it so (and there's even a scene depicting this in a very worrying way in TCW).
And yes, it's a huge issue that the Jedi got themselves too wrapped up in the politics of the Republic. That's a significant part of Dooku's backstory, that he's fed up with the Jedi playing politicians.
>he's saying that you ARE a soul, you HAVE a body
One of my favorite lines from the Dresden Files.
>>43939739
>Luke is a special case, and he made plenty of mistakes because of it
To be fair, his mistakes in Empire were due to him being a hothead who did let his emotions get in the way of the job.
>>43939810
But the problem is, hes still an individual.
There is no ideal jedi method that creates perfect jedi, 100% of the time.
>>43939881
For sure. Jedi are individuals and an individual's approach to enlightenment is going to be different every time, in the same way that no two Buddhists are likely to have the exact same approach. That's how Buddhism is supposed to work. Obviously, not all Buddhists are good at being Buddhists, just like not all Jedi are good at being Jedi, but ideal behaviors do still exist.
>>43939794
It is true that a bunch of knights and padiwans also leave. Your assertion that a bunch of them were going all lowkey Hitler all over the damn place is still bullshit hate speculation
>>43939881
>There is no ideal jedi method that creates perfect jedi, 100% of the time.
It's simple. We teach Luke Skywalker and Kyle Katarn the fusion dance.
>>43939810
I imagine that talking to older Luke would involve him listening to everything you say as if it's the most interesting thing he's ever heard.
Also, he'd be able to do that thing where he's just no longer where you thought he was when you try to hit him. Like the Silver Horde.
>>43939881
>He's still an individual
So were the members of the OJO, if you remember. They're all emotionally stunted, but they're still individuals.
And notice how the stories of Star Wars work, no matter who it's about, Jedi, smugglers, pilots, Imperials; it is individuals who make the difference, not interchangeable, faceless automatons.
That's why the clones, despite being identical, all have characterization.
>>43939739
>With no emotion, you stop caring about other people.
And that's not what the Jedi are about. Anakin says it himself, that the Jedi are all about compassion, unconditional love for others.
You're looking at the Jedi Code and interpreting it far too strictly even for how ridiculous the revised code is.
The original is "X, yet Y."
>Emotion, yet peace.
Acknowledging that emotions exist, that they affect the way you think and act, but also admitting that you can step back, take a breath, and try and work things through as neutrally as possible, not letting your emotions cloud your judgment.
Odan-Urr's rewrite is the one that takes it to the extreme, "there is no emotion, there is peace," but even still in context it's not "you are an unfeeling robot."
>>43939986
TCW does a good job of portraying Jedi as actually giving a shit about people
ffs, I hate TCW so much, but ive begun watching it recently, and its really really good
>>43939852
I don't think im misinterpereting the Mind Trick. And its not just the mind trick. The council completely mind wiped Revan and built him a new personality that they liked more. But back to the mind trick.
If you are using force to make someone think something, aldo making them think it was there own idea, then that os a massive violation of that being free will. You have free will so you can make mistakes and if you make mistakes you will most likely pay for them. In the deathstick dealer case, all he had to say was "you don't want to sell ke deathsticks" and the dude would have gone of on his merry way to suffer the consequences of being adrug dealer. Instead Obiwan took away his choice. Because Obiwan though he knew better. He was a drug dealer and no one cared but truthfully it was a massive violation of his being.
And the Dresden reference is good because The Dresden Files always harps on about how important choice is. That its i what makes mortals special because they can actually choose their fate, and no one should take that away from them.
>>43940074
>The council completely mind wiped Revan and built him a new personality that they liked more.
And he still had the free-will to go right back to being a sith master.
Nothing about Revan changed after the Jedi were done with him. He was still charismatic, a great leader, and deeply invested in doing things because reasons.
>>43940074
Technically, he didn't force that guy to stop being a drug dealer
He just forced the guy to go home and think things over
Sleazebaggano's free to decide 'You know what, I DO like being a drug dealer. Fuck that old dude.'
>>43940122
I completly wiped your mind and made you a new one that is subservient to me (republic soldier) but thats okay because now you can make your own choices, right?
>>43940074
>I don't think im misinterpereting the Mind Trick.
Yeah, you really are.
The mind trick is just that - it's just a trick. It's not possessing someone, it's not mind control. It's stronger persuasion - and that's it.
It's not Obi-Wan saying "go home and do something besides sell deathsticks," it's him saying "don't sell me deathsticks. Think about what you're doing, is it really what you want to be doing?" And you know what? In Legends, he went right back to selling death sticks after that.
>The council completely mind wiped Revan and built him a new personality that they liked more. But back to the mind trick.
They mindwiped Revan but that's it. They didn't rebuild his personality, they just wiped his memories of who he was and what he'd done. They didn't alter him otherwise, and it was a last-ditch effort for them to do so and something they likely wouldn't have done if it was in any other situation.
>>43940074
You are, though. The mind trick is described as basically making the individual using it seem extremely charismatic, not literally commanding someone's mind (though the sith do occasionally do literally that, but that's the sith)
This thread is bullshit. Post blasters.
>>43936787
Fooking hot and humid jungle planet. That's what did it.
>>43940134
Thats a ridiculously fine line. I don't think any person would be comfortable with that intrusion.
>>43940184
>>43940179
They mind wiped him, made him think he was a republic soldier and then put him on a warship.
>dat feel when theres a Jedi Force Lightning
>>43938444
Can if you unlock it by getting a Twi'lek to 50 or paying 600 cartel coins.
>>43940172
Not necessarily okay from the wiped person's POV, but given how badly Revan could have fucked over the galaxy, it still comes out as a net good action for the rest of the galaxy. Revan is no longer a Sith Lord and the probability that he'll work for the good of the galaxy is theoretically increased.
>>43940216
>E-15
>Not gloriously based E-5
>"Incredibly disappointing, cadet. What's your identification number?"
>>43940239
Thats implying that Revan wasn't of a soldier mindset to begin with.
Your basically stating that Revan, was a genuinly nice guy who solved all his problems with words.
And ya know what? Your right - that kinda Revan was probably a Jedi Consular, and then after the wipe, was a Smuggler on the Endar Spire.
Your forgetting the point that Revan was basically whatever the player wanted him to be
>>43940288merr-sonn is better then blastech
>>43940074
The reven thing IS pretty indefensible, I agree, but the normal mind trick doesn't work even remotely like that; it just makes whatever you're saying sound like a really good idea
>>43940288
So fucking sexy
all this jedi talk reminds me
whos yer favorite obi wan OTP?
>>43940199
It's not an intrusion. That's where your misunderstanding is.
The Jedi aren't poking about in your brain, hotwiring it and making it so you are more accepting of commands they give you. It's a temporary boost to their charisma, and it doesn't even work on everyone anyway.
>>43940239
They only mindwiped him and put him on a Republic ship, he's the one who drew the conclusion that he was a soldier. The other guys in the prologue don't know you, despite being stationed on the same ship.
>>43932222
>>43932342
more importantly, you can pretty easily mix and match at your discretion.
>>43938515
AC7 in altverse when
>>43940326
Ventress. Satine's a more realistic close second, though.
>>43940326
Siri. First girl best girl
Help, I just found out about this movie and I just KNOW there's going to be so much fucking porn of this shit. There's already a fetish picture within the first ten pictures of a google search for the lady character. Actual porn within twenty just for "Zootopia"
>>43940216
>>43940288
See? There you go, they took off the folding stock.
>>43940286
I'm going to step in and say that it's STILL a big 'What the fuck, you guys' moment for the Jedi. I mean, yeah they needed to stop Revan, but they crossed the line so hard that it's now a hyperbola.
And it only goes to playing to Carth's distrust of the Jedi, when they can make you think you're someone else anytime they want to.
>>43940376Didn't even know it existed until now. Which is your problem right there. Don't think about it, look into it, or complain about it. Don't give it free advertising if it pains you so much. Just ignore it.
>>43940376
>but they crossed the line so hard that it's now a hyperbola.
Really, you might as well take this argument to Casey and Drew
>>43940317yfw merr-sonn and blastech merged in disney canon
>>43940423I'll do my best
>>43940432
I have no idea who those people are.
Westar-34 Master Race
>>43940376
True, but what other choice did the KOTOR-era Jedi have?
>Kill him
Doesn't change much, and it still leaves Malak and his army at large. It's likely that the Jedi were drained by so many members siding with Revan and Malak, as well as the Mandalorian War casualties. Given Malak's magical ability to stun you without fail as long as you enter a cutscene, the Jedi would have been hard-pressed to stop him.
>Put him on trial
Revan's charisma makes that a risky proposition at best and keeping him detained and powerless would likely be tough.
>Redeem him the usual way
Not guaranteed to work, and the memory of his past would likely still haunt or tempt Revan. The time this would take and the lack of Sith being carved up in the process would also probably make this cost-ineffective.
Revan's competence and player character status made him too valuable an asset to destroy or put at moral risk. The mind wipe was the Jedi Order's best shot at taking down Malak and retaining one of their most competent members. It's not a pretty choice by any means, but shit happens sometimes.
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>>43940317
who czerka here
>>43940477
>I have no idea who those people are.
Casey Hudson and Drew Karpyshyn
Director and Writer of KotOR
>>43940499
I headcanon these as Czerka Products, hence the filename
>>43940499
i remember in star wars galaxy (like really long time ago) I was chilling on corellia and playing my space flute
someone knew where I got my screenname from and liked my entertaining skills so he gave me free tusken shit
>>43940499
czerka a shit
>>43940486
Even more, they didn't completely erase all of his memories (if they had that capability at all). His homeworld was the same as Revans IIRC, and he kept getting those convenient memories of the Star Forge, which was the most important reason for keeping him alive. The Jedi had no clue how the Sith remained so powerful and well-supplied despite coming from out of nowhere. Letting the ever-curious Revan rediscover his own memories and retrace his steps was their only shot at discovering the Star Forge.
>>43940556
czerka blyat
>>43940556
Hey now, Czerka may be a bunch of evil douchebags but their guns seem like they'd be right at home in a cool cat's armory.
>>43940580
to be fair, it's not entirely clear if Revan's memories returning are because they're dormant, or because he's receiving force visions. don't gotta explain shit when the force comes to town.
Is the DC-15A a star wars M1 Garand, or a star wars M14?
Just played Armada. Ran 4 corvettes all with enhanced armaments and Ackbar in an assault frig. Holy crap, I'm told that's sub optimal in a few regards but it still just melted the ships like nothing and could maneuver to wherever the hell they wanted, was just circling the whole field like flies (ambush objective put them the enemy right in a very not ideal center position) and dishing out 5 red dice each, 6 from the frigate.
If that was considered a poor list, I'm terrified of what Ackbar is going to do on an ideal list. The meta of this game might have shifted way too hard in 1 direction.
>>43940747
It's closer to the M14, but even then, it's a shaky comparison seeing as the DC has a shot capacity more in line with an assault rifle or LMG.
>>43936324
>not an R2 or R5 droid
>>43940759
broadsiding with Mc30s mite be fun
>>43940799
It's Poe Dameron and BB-8. They're the new guys, they get the new cutaways. Also, Poe's X-Wing has BB-8 in it at some point in the film, just as some older cutaways have Luke in his X-Wing with R2-D2 in it. We probably already have cutaways of R2 and R5 units in older Star Wars books as well, so this one is for the new stuff.
>>43940759
we'll have to see how the meta goes. We got a lot of toys to play with, and a build like that will melt just as its melting. you might want to consider swapping out enhanced armament for slaved turrets though, just a heads up! Considering you'll normally be firing out only one side with Ackbar, might as well save a few points and maybe add in a few other upgrades. Only keep enhanced armament if you think you can regularly get shots out of both sides.
>>43940326
Cerasi.
He fucking LEFT THE ORDER for her.
Duchess Satine comes close because I fucking love Moulin Rouge, but not only was he willing to give everything up for Cerasi, some other books imply he never really got over losing her.
>>43940913
not only that but god damn poe and bb8 are best buds in the x wing game when you abuse Push the Limit
>>43940479
Enjoy your delicate art piece grandpa. They're great range toys, but if some ugly fierfek is trying to kill me, I want something I *know* is gonna go "pew" every time.
>>43941070
I recently bought an X-Wing starter. I'm going to paint up that X-Wing in Poe's colors, even taking careful detail to round out and paint up the astromech to make it BB-8. It may fly with different Astromechs, but it will always, ALWAYS be piloted by Poe.
>>43941072
>hating on the W-34
Twelve shots. More than enough to kill anything that movesif you're pretty good.
>>43940499
>czerka
Got to love the pragmatic bastards, they'll sell a plasma railgun to anyone with the cash
