just wandering because i was thinking about getting the The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth board game.
>>43786277
Before everybody else jumps down your throat, the Horus Heresy is set 10,000 years before 40K, and instead of revolving around the Imperium vs Everybody in the galaxy, it's all of the Space Marine Legions versus each other in the Horus Heresy timeline, as well as the Mechanicum, the Solar Auxilia (Basically Stormtroopers/Guard) and other factions.
Pop into a /HHG/ if you're really looking into it.
>>43786347
i just whant to know what the different in between the 2 games and on how you play them
The Horus Heresy is what started all of 40k
short version
Emperor creates his sons, superhuman babbies who are then dashed all across the galaxy by the four gods of Chaos
Emperor unites all of earths warring factions into one world government, bans all religion, makes science new religion
Reconquers galaxy with superhuman soldiers in a galaxy spanning crusade, all while finding lost superhuman babby sons along the way
Eventually decides he's done enough, appoints his favored superhuman babby son to continue the crusade while he goes to create a more stable version of warp travel
Superhuman favored son is corrupted because he had daddy issues, convinces about half of the newly conquered galaxy to turn on itself
Massive galaxy spanning civil war follows
Emperor's Loyalists eventually win, but the Emperor himself is gravely wounded and has to be put on permanent life support, using the device he was creating for stable warp travel
From there the grim darkness only compounds until the galaxy is aflame with the fires of war as heretics, xenos, and traitors seek to subvert the massive leviathan that is the Empire of Mankind
I think OP is asking about mechanics and not plot. But I'm a retard so whatever.
>>43786382
so when the emperor created his sons did he cloned them or did he knock 20 women up?
>>43786376
The Mechanics are the same, but Heresy Games are a lot bigger, and I mean a lot. 2000-3000 points is average for HH Players.
>>43786422
Have you not read the HH Series? Most of them are shit but you should at least read the first three.
>>43786277
The board game is a completely different gas that nobody really cares about at all. 30k is like 40k, except more balanced because everybody has more or less the same stuff to choose from, played at higher points values, and a lot more expensive because you have to buy chunks of resign from Forgeworld. Most adherents say it's much better, but then they would, wouldn't they.
>>43786473
30k doesn't have Wraithknights, Battlesuits or whatever overpowered model GW Releases to sell models.
>>43786485
Well yes, thus:
>more balanced because everybody has more or less the same stuff to choose from
There isn't perfect internal balance, some units are certainly better value for their points than others, but it's not Eldar levels of bullshit.
>>43786277
The major difference is no one can place three models on the table and immediately win.
>>43786485
30k can still get pretty stupid once people start an arms race
ZM games are, as always, the best way to play.
>>43786668
Not really since you're limited to only 25% of your army can b LoWs and the average army can only take 1 LoW.
>>43786277
40k is boring and unbalanced.
30k is less unbalanced.
>>43786668
>30k can still get pretty stupid once people start an arms race
It's harder to arms race when everyone can get everything you have to bring, outside edge cases.
The things that break 40k cost too much to bring in bulk in 30k, ie plentiful AP2/3, high mobility saturation fire units, D strength shit.
>>43786277
U liek muhreenz? We got muhreenz!
>>43786721
I don't think LoW are that much part of the arms race. Not to forget that you can get Knights as Allies instead of LoW, if you must get super-heavies.
>>43788288
High prices have not kept people from getting such units in 40k, so why is 30k safe? Not to forget that scratching and converting exists.
>>43788288
>when everyone can get everything you have
Let's just say there's a definite power gap between certain units. Everyone having similar access to the same things doesn't really change that.
>>43788288
>everyone can get everything
How is this different from 40k?
>>43786376
If you play the HH game as is, then you have a board game which is said to be very nice to play (after you built all the miniatures). The rules are very different to 40k/30k though. There are several reviews on youtube regarding the game.
The included miniatures can be used for 40k and 30k armies as well, then you simply include them in your regular armies, e.g. you can use the B@C box to build three squads of tactical marines or a Devastatir/Havoc squad or other sorts of troops for 40k.
30k uses the Forge World rulebooks which are used as a rule supplement for the 40k core rulebook. So you still play 40k but with differently organized (larger) armies and differently designed models.
If you want to know the rule differences, check out the 40k general and browse the rules archive. It cointains most 40k and 30k rule books.
>>43789980
He means each army is build from the same book. Its just space marines vs space marines. If you build two lists from the same book and arent a complete fucking retard you'll end up with two lists that are for the most part on an even playing field.
On the other hand with the broad range of army books, the power creep, and the overpowered as balls gargantuan creatures and eldar/necrons/tau its much harder to get even close to an equal playing field.
